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Because the new feel-good factor mean we want more powers devolved | :00:54. | :01:04. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1493 seconds | :01:04. | :25:58. | |
to Wales? We will discuss it with Me up a Welsh view of the eurozone | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
crisis and what new powers for the bus government might have as a | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
result of the Silk Commission. But we have to start with yesterday's | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
event in the Rugby World Cup. After the flight was put up over Number | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
Ten Downing Street in London, and with thousands watching it in the | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, it was a game of ups and downs but | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
sadly the results going fronts's whereby one point. After the match, | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
in a still noisy Millennium Stadium, the First Minister Carwyn Jones | :26:27. | :26:35. | |
gave our reporter his reaction to the game. The game was ruined | :26:35. | :26:45. | |
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really by what I thought was a harsh sending off for Sam Warburton. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
From our point of view, we have got to be proud of our players, they | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
came close to winning against typical days and I think their best | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
days are ahead of them. Disappointing but light spilled | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
from this. A your message to the boys who fought bravely? Your | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
nation is behind you, very proud of what to have done, it will be | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
difficult to lift your spirits for next Saturday but we will be behind | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
you again for a start and Cardiff council have just told us they are | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
in discussions with the Welsh Rugby Union and was government about a | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
possibility of a homecoming event. I was government spokesperson say | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
they are currently considering the most appropriate way to recognise | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
the great achievements -- a government spokesperson. Wales will | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
play Australia in the third-place play-off. | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
Hundreds of families in Wales who might have been wrongly charged | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
care home fees for their elderly relatives have been told they could | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
be paid back in three years if they are refunded. There are many had | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
been waiting for several years and are angry that there is a backlog | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
in claims still not cleared. Our reporter has been to meet one | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
family affected in the Rhondda. was starting to get frail on her | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
legs. She was starting to fall about and usually when she fell, | :28:11. | :28:20. | |
she banged her head. She had quite a few nasty falls at home. One have | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
had children decided she needed professional help around the clock | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
and did not realise how expensive it would be. Beryl's sons are | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
completely happy with each care she received here are believed it | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
should have been free. In total, they spent more than �40,000 on | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
costs. Money they had been trying to claim back since 2006. If Beryl | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
had received an assessment by the NHS, her family's lawyer is | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
confident she would have been recommended for ongoing health care. | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
That means her place in the home would have been paid for by the | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
health service. Because this assessment never happened, the | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
local authority means tested her instead and decided that her family | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
had to play. Quite a big surprise because it meant that we had to | :29:11. | :29:21. | |
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sell my mother's house to cover the cost. The weights are among | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
hundreds of families waiting to find out if they are entitled to | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
have their money back. We have families to have been waiting a | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
number of years and families that are very upset because nobody told | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
them about the possibility that their relative may have been | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
eligible for health care. Family who believe they have wrongly paid | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
fees can challenge that decision. However, if the costs date back to | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
before April 2003, then the claims should have been made by the end of | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
2009. One authority, Powys Health Board is now responsible for | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
looking into those historical claims for the whole of Wales. | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
Alongside more recent claims, there is a backlog of around 2000 cases. | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
It says it could take a further three years to get through that. | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
The longer these cases take, the more interest is going to have to | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
be paid and it is detrimental to the public purse. I think it is | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
also something that is very important. This is not compensation, | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
this is money that should have never have been paid in the first | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
place. It is been said that the world government has not acted | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
quickly enough. They have failed to take account of the situation which | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
many families find themselves in and they have failed to put in | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
place systems to deal quickly with those claims which are fairly | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
straightforward and also to deal with the more complex cases in good | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
time. I think the Minister needs to get a grip and she needs to sort | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
this out quickly and much more quickly than the three years we are | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
told it will take. The Health Minister turned down our | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
request for an interview put in a statement, the Welsh Government | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
said it recognises the concerns that have been raised. It has Powys | :31:13. | :31:20. | |
Health Board is unsure of providing an equitable review of cases. It | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
said that cases are being dealt with in order of when the | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
application was made and says some payments have already been | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
processed. But for the family and many like them, the uncertainty | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
continues. It is frustrating. We keep on hoping we will have a | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
cheque for Christmas but we don't know which Christmas! | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
Wales might be shivering as it is buffeted by the chill of economic | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
winds but events 1,500 miles away could make the financial | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
temperature here really plunge. The Politics Show has been to Brussels | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
to take the view of Welsh MEPs efforts to stave off the debt | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
crisis in Greece and the possible consequences here at home if the | :32:05. | :32:13. | |
crisis spreads. The �200 billion rescue package for | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
Europe's banks... If men of Europe's biggest banks do not have | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
the reserves of capital to of salt losses. | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
He is not the politicians who will decide this, but the people on the | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
streets. Tall of defaults, a Euro meltdown, | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
bail-out funds running into trillions of euro possibly. It | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
might seem some distance away from the economic problems Wales is | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
currently facing but Wales is highly dependent on trade with | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
eurozone countries. The nation's four MEPs occupy a pretty good | :32:43. | :32:50. | |
vantage to justify a natural situation on the Continent. Debt- | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
laden Greece which has seen so much resistance to austerity programmes | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
is the immediate priority to eurozone leaders. They fear the | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
market could be spooked if I fail to shore up the Greek economy. | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
Conservative MEP case when then is a former investment banker. Greece | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
is only 2.5% of the euro GDP so the entire debt is very small compared | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
to the entire eurozone. We need to keep things in proportion. The | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
reality is, the market to pay for the bonds and by those in the | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
marketplace, those investors are really worried that if they cannot | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
fix Greece, how well they fix the big economies of Italy and Spain if | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
they run into difficulties? fear is that if the confidence in | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
Europe's financial markets is sapped, economies such as Wales are | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
vulnerable. It is a great concern because if problems in the eurozone | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
have an impact on Wales, Welsh businesses rely on 60% of trade | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
with Europe so if the eurozone has problems, then the Welsh economy | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
will do as well. The Welsh economy is dependent on the rest of Europe | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
and we have got a situation now in Wales where we have got 22% | :34:04. | :34:10. | |
unemployment amongst young people. If the situation spirals out of | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
control, then there will be a lot more unemployment and that of | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
course is going to impact. It is critical that the leaders do get | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
this right in the eurozone. others come at it is time to admit | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
that the single currency is a disaster and to stop spending | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
risking and borrowing more to save it. You is not the politicians to | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
decide this, but the people on the streets and the markets. They are | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
throwing money at it. Almost like saying to an alcoholic, we can fix | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
this by giving you more alcohol. This will not work and it is | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
bonkers to think that it will. I think it will fail big time. For | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
people in the UK, they will be effective. An alternative is for | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
eurozone leaders to allow Greece to default on much of its debts in an | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
orderly manner. European banks would then need cash injections to | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
prevent banking system seizing up as investors in Greece might lose | :35:03. | :35:10. | |
as much as four fifths of their investment. It will go up from the | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
20% to, I suspect, 60 or 80% in the future. But get Greece to a | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
sustainable level of debt but that means the banks to own that debt | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
will take heavy losses so we need to capitalise the banks up again to | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
make sure that an orderly deport of Greece does not have a catastrophic | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
effect which would be far worse than the Lehman Brothers collapse | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
of 2008. They have realised they need to deal with the Greek | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
situation, put in place a stability mechanism of such a large extent | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
that they can deal with any issues that might arise in the future. | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
They also realise that we need greater economic governments across | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
Europe to make sure this does not happen again. What we are looking | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
at the moment our proposals on growth because a lack of growth in | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
the eurozone is another crisis we are facing. The eurozone is not | :35:59. | :36:08. | |
known for decisive nest -- the EU is not known for decisiveness. The | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
outcome could be very bleak. Should the Welsh Government take | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
more responsibility for raising the money it spends and should further | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
powers be devolved to Wales? Two questions for those appointed to | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
the Silk Commission. The Welsh Secretary Cheryl Gillan named Paul | :36:24. | :36:32. | |
Silk as chair of the commission. He will be joined by representatives | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
of the four main parties and two independent members. With the | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
economy struggling and fears about jobs, our political editor asked | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
Paul Silk whether some people will whether ask why they are tinkering | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
with the constitution? That is probably not a question for me. | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
There have been asked to do a particular job -- I have been asked | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
to. We will do that to the best of our ability. But does not mean that | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
one is not aware of the context in which people in Wales see | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
themselves. Of course, colleagues who are members of the commission | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
and come from political parties will be much more aware of that | :37:10. | :37:16. | |
perhaps than I hum. And my to speak to True Wales? I would be | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
absolutely happy to speak to anybody who has a voice inside | :37:20. | :37:28. | |
Wales, True Wales certainly does and proper, authentic agenda that | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
they want to pursue, yes, of course we should speak to them for stopped | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
during the in the studio from True Wales is Rachel Banner along with | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
Cathy Owens, one of the leading campaigners for Yes For Wales. | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
Paul Silk was quite non-committal about his answer, why it more | :37:46. | :37:55. | |
constitutional navel-gazing? reason I help win the Yes campaign | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
was to provide a legislative programme as well as the programme | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
in government and I am looking to them to focus on delivering for the | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
people of Wales, to really make a difference to people's lives and | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
for people here in Cardiff Bay to scrutinise the world's governments | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
to make sure they do that. That is perfectly reasonable at the same | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
time to have some sensible, clever people looking at how the balance | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
of power is shifting in the UK. It is happening anyway. It might be | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
taken out of our control so let's make sure we can get the best | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
advantage of it for the people of Wales. In the March referendum, | :38:28. | :38:35. | |
every local authority apart from one voted in favour of more powers | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
for the Assembly. There is an appetite for devolution in Wales. | :38:39. | :38:47. | |
We were told during the referendum campaign... We will come back to | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
that. Statistics now show that there were more people in favour of | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
devolution in Wales in this referendum compared to the last one. | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
That is not in doubt, is it? That is true to say but also it is | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
important to tell the truth during referendum campaigns and that did | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
not happen, the public was misled about the tax issue. There are | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
strong arguments but we never had a chance for that debate during the | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
campaign and there need to be questions asked about why tax was | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
put on the ballot paper, why it was denied that tax powers were given | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
on the yes but given the coalition government in Westminster had | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
already said there would be a commission on tax in the event of | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
yes vote. Why is it that politicians were denying that? | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
don't think there was a grand deception. There was an explicit | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
promise in the campaign ahead of the March referendum that this | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
would not lead to tax bearing powers. There will be a higher | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
degree from the Rachel Banner campaign. Hang on, it was clear | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
what we were fighting for and it was not to do with tax raising | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
powers. The but it was sad that -- it was said at the time... By we | :40:05. | :40:07. | |
knew what we were fighting for, it was about the legislative programme. | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
Now it is clear we what the politicians to focus on that and | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
make changes that help the people of Wales. At the same time, it was | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
very clear that there was going to be a change. We were not | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
campaigning to set the balance of power forever. And the coalition | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
said they would talk about different fiscal powers. You have | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
to be... We would rather be talking about that than not talking about | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
it. We have to be having serious responsibilities. Can I ask you | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
about something you said in the campaign in March, you said | :40:46. | :40:53. | |
politicians asking... Why should people have any confidence in a | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
government with a current educational spending record? How | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
can our country's economic flourish and so on because we have got | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
under-investment in schools and universities? Surely if you're of | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
the opinion that Wales is underfunded, you would like to see | :41:09. | :41:19. | |
a mechanism where more money can be raised? What the yes campaign told | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
us or politicians told us, we would get the �300 million payment in the | :41:25. | :41:32. | |
result of yes vote. We are not seeing that Barnet deficit dealt | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
with. We knew it would not be forthcoming that what we are seeing | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
is the prospect of higher taxes. We are heading towards a moment of | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
severe economic crisis and we are be expected to pay more taxes. How | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
will the Government raised all that money from the people of Wales? We | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
are already hard pressed. Have they gone about this the wrong way? | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
Should the Barnett formula be looked at first before tinkering | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
with taxation, borrowing powers, further devolution? I think this is | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
all about focusing on the process, really. I think there's so much | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
more that politicians here can be focusing on. Let's make sure that | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
they are focused on delivering change. We are in a difficult | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
economic position. We have got some problems and in some areas we are | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
doing very well. Let's focus on that. That does not mean that we | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
cannot also have conversations. Yes, we need to deal with the Barnett | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
formula and those are ongoing with the Treasury as I understand. It | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
would be good if we could get some fairer funding settlements for | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
Wales but I don't think we should sake let's not talk about other | :42:39. | :42:46. | |
things because, these decisions would be taken out of our hands. | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
The reading between the lines of what you are saying, you don't | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
think this commission is important? It might be taken over by events. | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
It is important we are having these discussions at senior levels and | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
there are some important people doing this. Sue Essex is brilliant, | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
but at the same time the Welsh Government here and those who | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
scrutinise it should be focusing on delivering for the people of Wales | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
and I think they are an I am quite pleased to see the legislative | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
programme alongside a government programme that is designed to | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
deliver jobs, better services for Wales because that is what they are | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
interested in. You have been critical of the bus government and | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
the welcome back Assembly Members, -- the Welsh Government. Do you | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
think better outcomes for the people of Wales, if they have got | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
�50 million to spend, things might not be as good as when they have to | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
account for the money they spend -- 15 million? I think it will be hard | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
to raise that money from the people of Wales. What I would like to | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
see... It will be a degree of that money. We get �9 billion more from | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
the UK Treasury than we pay in. We can use that money and I think the | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
Assembly could be doing far more to improve economic development in | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
Wales to insure certain things improve. Tax powers are not the | :44:17. | :44:24. | |
answer to that for. We are only a few months into the new settlement | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
granted in the referendum, should that not be given time to bed in | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
before we think about more devolution? Are you suggesting we | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
should not discuss these things? We have the Welsh Government here that | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
have the tools we have given it in terms of images dizzied programme | :44:40. | :44:50. | |
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alongside the Government programme. -- in terms of the legislative | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
programme. Fiscal policy is very important. This is a serious issue | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
about the truth. That referendum was fought partly on the tax issue, | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
separate legal jurisdiction is on its way as well. Politicians during | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
that time, they promised that these things would not happen. We had it | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
over and over again, these denials. There is an issue with our | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
democracy. Can I ask a quick question. Paul Silk said there | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
would be a voice for True Wales, will you engage? We certainly | :45:23. | :45:31. | |
wealth. Lot of people can engage with this process because it | :45:31. | :45:33. |