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Hello and welcome to The Record. The main headline:

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David Cameron has addressed the Northern Ireland Assembly at

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Stormont. He told Assembly Members the constitutional future of

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Northern Ireland did not rest with the Government but now rested with

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the people. Also on this programme: What are the lessons of the

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explosion at the nuclear plant in Japan?

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And MPs react to news that the Attorney General has found no

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evidence to support conspiracy theories about the death of the

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scientist Dr David Kelly. His statement today should put to

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bed some of the outrageous and fallacious speculations that

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members of our security forces might have murdered Dr Kelly.

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But first, David Cameron has become the second Prime Minister to

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address the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont since the

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signing of the Good Friday Agreement 13 years ago. He was

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driven to the Assembly building on the outskirts of Belfast shortly

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after 2.00pm, meeting officials as he arrived, before stepping inside

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the famous and historic building. A short walk through the building,

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and then Members of the Assembly got to their feet as the Prime

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Minister entered the chamber. David Cameron spoke first about some of

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the history of the building. Can I say what an honour it is to stand

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here and speak in this historic chamber? Of course, I recognise

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this is not a place without controversy. In the past it was for

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some a guarantee of their place within the Union. For others, a

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symbol of a state and a system from which they felt excluded. They do

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not intend to ignite that debate, but I am reminded of the words of

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King George V when he opened the Northern Ireland Parliament in 1921,

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and his appeal to all Irishmen and women to stretch their hand of

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forbearance and conciliation, to forgive and forget, and to join in

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making for the language they love a new era of peace, contentment and

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goodwill. -- the land which they love. He said it was time to start

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moving beyond the peace process. Given the history of Northern

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Ireland I do not underestimate the scale of the challenge. But it is a

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depressing fact that since the 2006 St Andrews agreement, the number of

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so-called Peace Walls has in -- increased from 37-48. It is

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disappointing that in too many places Protestant and Catholic

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communities remain segregated, sharing the same space but living

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their lives apart. According to one survey, the cost of division

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through the duplication of public services alone is around �1.5

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billion each year. But this is not just about the economic cost. It is

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about the social cost, too. It is these divisions that helped to

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sustain terrorism and other criminal activities, particularly

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within deprived communities. It was time to revive the private sector

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and attract investment. Northern Ireland is simply too dependent on

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the state for economic activity. According to one report, three-

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quarters of your GDP is accounted for by a state spending. At a time

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when we are dealing with the biggest budget deficit in our

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peacetime history, that is unsustainable and has to change. We

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recognise the difficulties facing Northern Ireland as you chart a new,

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more sustainable economic future requires us in Westminster to act

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responsibly. That is why we made sure that Northern Ireland did

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proportionately better than other parts of the UK in the Spending

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Review. By the end of this Parliament, the Northern Ireland

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resource budget will have gone down by 6.9%, 1.7% per year.

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concluded: let's work together to make

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devolution a success. Let us work together to revive the economy. Let

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us work together to build a shared future. And in working together, be

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assured that you have a Prime Minister, a secretary of state and

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a government that will always stand by the people here in Northern

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The Attorney General, Dominic Grieve, has rejected calls for an

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inquest into the death of the Government scientist Dr David Kelly.

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It was in the summer of 2003 that the body was discovered of the

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scientist who was at the centre of a row between the BBC and the

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Labour Government over the details of intelligence on Iraq. The Hutton

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Inquiry in 2004 found that Dr Kelly had committed suicide. But a group

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of doctors have mounted a long- running campaign for the inquest to

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be reopened, claiming the evidence did not point to suicide. Dominic

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Grieve spoke about the large amount of paperwork he'd received about Dr

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Kelly's death. Having given all the material that has been sent to me

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the most careful consideration, I have concluded that the evidence

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that Dr Kelly took his own life is overwhelmingly strong. Further,

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there is nothing I have seen that supports any allegation that Dr

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Kelly was murdered, or that his death was the subject of any kind

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of conspiracy or cover-up. In my view, no purpose would be served by

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my making an application to the High Court for an inquest. Indeed,

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I have no reasonable basis for doing so. There is no possibility

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that at an inquest a verdict other than suicide would be returned.

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turned to the theory that the body of Dr Keme had been moved at the

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area where it was found. -- Dr Kelly. If it had been moved, why,

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by whom and for what purpose? This issue has been fertile ground for

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imaginative speculation. In fact, all of the evidence provided by the

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careful forensic examination of the scene at the time, and a detailed

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review which exceptionally I have undertaken, supports the view that

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Dr Kelly died from -- died where he was found and from the causes

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determined. There is no evidence I have seen that would suggest any

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other explanation, or suggest any cover-up or conspiracy whatsoever.

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I wish to emphasise that my conclusions and decision are, as

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they must be, entirely my own, based on my assessment of the

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evidence. I have received no representations of any kind from

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the Prime Minister or any other ministerial colleague on this

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decision. The Attorney General's decision also substantiates the

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findings of a postmortem and toxicology reports conducted

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following Dr Kelly's death and published by the Ministry of

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Justice last October in the interest of maintaining public

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confidence in the inquiry into how Dr Kelly came by his death. The

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opposition, therefore, accepts the decision today, on the basis that

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he has very carefully and clearly outlined his detailed reasons for

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not applying to the High Court to request an inquest into Dr Kelly's

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death, due to the lack of new compelling evidence that Dr Kelly

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did not commit suicide. As a member of the foreign affairs committee

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that took evidence from David Kelly in 2003, I have never doubted that

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he committed suicide. I always believed Lord Hutton was right on

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this, even though his conclusions on the war have subsequently been

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challenged. I have known the Attorney General for many years and

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I know he will have done a thorough and diligent job. Will he accept

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that the evidence on this is clear and it is time to bring closure to

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this matter and move on? Will he know that when, along with

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intelligence and security colleagues, I questioned Dr Kelly

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two days before he died, I formed the view that a very distinguished

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public servant was deeply distressed by the situation in

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which he had placed himself. But although I am not persuaded by any

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of the theories that have been put forward as an alternative to

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suicide, could the Attorney what he thinks would be lost by allowing

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the process of inquiry to be completed by an inquest? Well, the

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first problem, have to say to my right honourable friend, is that

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there is no basis on which the High Court could possibly order an

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inquest. So in my judgment, if I were to go to the High Court and

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make such an advocate -- application, it would be dismissed,

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and dismissed, have to say, on the basis of my reasoning, with a

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certain amount of irritation. the Attorney General agree with me

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that his statement today should put to bed some of the out Regis and

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fallacious speculations -- outrageous and so fallacious

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speculations that members of our security forces might have murdered

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Dr Kelly? Can I welcome his statement. He will know that this

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will do nothing to discourage the paranoid conspiracy us so. On the

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other hand, even if an inquiry had gone ahead, they would not have

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changed their mind just because of the existence of evidence. Talking

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of paranoid conspiracy theorists, when the parliamentary secretary of

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state for transport told the media last year at the Hutton Inquiry had

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cut corners, was he speaking on behalf of the government?

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I am quite sure he was not speaking on behalf of the Government. In any

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case, the Government, as far as I'm concerned, does not have a position

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on this matter. I do, based on my review.

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The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, has again been criticised for

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failing to force banks to lend money to small businesses. Some

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months ago, Britain's four biggest banks agreed to increase lending in

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an arrangement known as Project Merlin, drawn up to deal with a

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shortage of loans following the recession. But new figures show the

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banks are already falling short of their lending targets by several

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billion pounds. Vince Cable faced MPs during questions to the

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Department of Business, Innovation and Skills. Figures published in

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May by the Bank of England show the UK's five largest banks lent �16.8

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billion to UK small businesses in the first quarter, failing to meet

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the targets. It is obviously disappointing and we will monitor

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lending closely over the year. We reserve the right to revisit the

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agreement if banks can such -- continue to miss the target. Many

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small businesses in my constituency complain that when they ask the

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banks for funding, they are told not to bother applying because they

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will only draw interest to their existing facilities and may have

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those withdrawn. What can the Government do to stop banks doing

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this? And then claiming they cannot meet their targets because of a

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lack of applications? There is a genuinely difficult problem of

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trying to get previously highly over-extended banks to lend to

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small and medium-sized businesses. The Secretary of State was very

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critical of the last Government's performance on this issue, saying

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the banks ran rings round that Government. But given that the

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first indications of project Merlin show a �2.2 billion shortfall

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between what the banks are doing and what the Government agreed they

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would do, how would he describe the performance of his Government on

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bank lending? Of the leading banks, two of them have met the targets,

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which demonstrated that the demand is there for the banks that are

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able and willing to change their culture of lending. Of course,

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where we have taken on the arrangements which the last

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Government had was bringing in the private banks, which are not owned

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wholly or partly by the taxpayer, in to this agreement. They are

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undoubtedly taking it seriously and we are making clear that we expect

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this agreement to be delivered, and that the volume of lending to small

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and medium enterprises will increase. Will he reassure us that

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he is ready to do more than just monitor the situation? In

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particular, not allowing banks to get away with the excuse that the

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demand is not there, when it is the price of the loan and the terms

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attached that so often is too difficult for struggling small

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businesses who need the credit? must realise the Merlin agreement

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is a busted flush. There is no good coming from it. The continued

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failure of the banking sector to meet the minimum targets set,

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meaning no new lending, is really not acceptable. The terms and

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conditions, as his own right honourable member has said, under

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which those loans that are made are made are really very penal, very

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often. Can he not get into that? There is no point monitoring, we

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want him to examine what is going on and come forward with concrete

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proposals to improve it. The Forum of Private Business are calling for

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a return to the traditional bank manager model. Some banks are now

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doing that. What can we do to encourage banks to give small

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business the individual attention and increase the autonomy of bank

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managers to make decisions and get rid of this culture of computer

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What we are dealing with here is a long-term issue about how you

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change the culture of the banks. Some of them, or one in particular,

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has been changing its relationship in terms of management. There are

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new banks entering the market and competition will help solve this

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problem. A Secretary of State or surf mentioned that pay for chief

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executive officers. How would this be delivered? Banks of failing to

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meet their obligations. In relation to the wider question of meeting

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lending objectives, we were assured when the agreement was signed that

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the incentives of senior executives would mean their remuneration board

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be greater than the share of small lending on their balance sheets. We

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are now trying to establish exactly what that means for individuals.

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Cabinet minister as hit back at the Archbishop of Canterbury over his

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attack on the coalition's policies. Sir George Young said the

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archbishop should praise the government on overseas aid and

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funding for poorer school children. The archbishop accused the

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coalition of rushing through radical policies that have not been

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voted on. In February the Prime Minister proclaimed we will soon

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publish a white paper setting out aware approach to public service

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reform that will signal the decisive end of the old-fashioned

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top-down model. Bold words. What has happened? Nothing. First it was

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put off until May and now it has been delayed until July because of

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another coalition split. One Lib Dems said that Nick Clegg does not

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want there to be any sense that the public sector cannot provide good

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public services. And finally, Baroness Thatcher famously possess

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no reverse gear, but this Prime Minister has a car stuffed full of

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them. It does make us wonder what exactly goes on inside Number 10

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when the Prime Minister approves of all these promises in the first

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place, only to reverse in the opposite direction when his

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pollsters tell him just how unpopular they are. After another

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week of chaos on this coalition, is it any wonder that the Archbishop

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of Canterbury is now on his knees in despair? On the question of the

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Archbishop, I have not seen the full text of what he has said, but

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I hope he has found time to balance any criticism of the Coalition for

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accommodation for some of the things we have done. For example,

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the commitment on overseas aid, making sure the poorest people in

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the world do not bear the burden of solving our problems. I hope he

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also finds time to commend aware action on more resources for the

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NHS, taking lower income people out of poverty. The archbishop said

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that we were rushing things through, which is not the case. The UK's

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nuclear industry has lessons to learn from the Fukushima nuclear

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disaster, according to the chief nuclear officer. The power station

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was hit after the devastating Japanese tsunami. Radiation levels

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have now risen considerably near the plant. The Inspector Mike

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Weightman said the UK's industry needed to be better prepared for

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extreme weather events. He said the failure of back-up electrical

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services in Japan had been a key factor. They lost all offside power.

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They lost their switch gear. Effectively, they left Auk on site

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power. -- they lost all onside power. When they do try to take

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readings, people were taking batteries out of cars to try and

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fix them up to instrumentation. There were also having to find ways

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of putting waters into -- water into the reactors. However, they

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did not have enough electricity for the pumps. He wanted all nuclear

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power stations prepared for the possibility of a lent the loss of

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power. Very simple means need to be put in place to keep things safe.

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Even if there is onside power, it needs to be in the by-play said

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that the pumps can work. One example is laying power cable by

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hand. A previous issue was that if they have been a pump that would

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put the water straight into the reactor, that would have helped.

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There are simple things you can think about for these long term

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loss of power issues. Also, after 9/11, work was done to figure out

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the best way to store equipment off site. If in theory there was a

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tsunami that hit Britain, would our work nuclear plants go the same way

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as Fukushima do? It would be difficult to say. What we have done

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in the UK is it appears we have a different approach to looking at

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external hazards. We do not just based it down on -- based it on

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what is the largest one we have seen? We look at the historical

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data and estimate the worst case scenario. Fortunately, we are not

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in a fault line, so aware seismic hazard is not as high. However, if

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we did have an earthquake, there would be mass destruction right

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across the infrastructure. Would you agree that it would be easier

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for you to do your job and draw up a report if there was a widespread

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understanding regarding the risks of the nuclear industry? I don't

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believe it would make it easier for me to draw up my report. My report

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is about saying, OK, this is our bases and we can learn from

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Fukushima. It is not about the acceptability of nuclear power, the

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tolerance of the nuclear power were industry in the UK. This is simply

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saying, here is an accident, it has caused so cycle impacts -- it has

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impacted on society. What can we learn about it so we can minimise

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anything similar happening in the UK? You are watching The Record.

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David Cameron address the assembly in at Stormont and said that the

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constitution of Northern Ireland rested with the people. At this

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point we say goodbye to our viewers on the BBC news channel.

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A former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Prescott has set the phone hacking

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scandal has shown there is something rotten in the state of

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England. In the Lords, he insisted on a public inquiry being held into

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the issue. And then you might talk about the Press Complaints

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Committee. A body to that is there to hold the media, particularly the

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press to account. Even the Press Complaints agency fell to

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investigate anything into phone hacking, something that I think it

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has an authority to do so. It is worse than that because the share

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was fined �20,000 for misleading statements. If that is the body

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that has some report, the police should investigate. We are right to

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say there is something rotten in the state of England at present and

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it is not an acceptable proposition. If you talk about how the media,

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you'd better start doing something about the people who are

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controlling it who are in content. Regarding the phone hacking that

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the noble Lord mentioned, the phone hacking allegations as I have said

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before our very serious, but they are matters of the criminal courts

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and not for this debate today. the unrest in the Arab world now.

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The government has urged British people to leave Yemen where

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hundreds of civilians have been killed. Royal Marines are standing

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by to help with any evacuation. situation in the Yemen has been

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very grave for a long time. I think that we all owe a debt of gratitude

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to those members of the Foreign Office who are still prepared to

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stay in the embassy in the circumstances, given that the

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embassy has come under attack on a number of occasions. But come the

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noble Lord assure us, I know this is difficult, but one we know that

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demand will be the targets of groups like Al-Qaeda, that in the

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eventual possible absence of British personnel on the ground, we

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will be able to monitor what is going on in Yemen properly and not

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rely solely on Yemen's neighbours to pass information to us? We need

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to get high quality information of the best kind. Out to be -- as to

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the Al-Qaeda involvement, there is concern that they are operating

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there. Getting accurate information is difficult. It is essential for

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the government to be even-handed and to which the local population

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well. Should that not include Israel? Has the government taken

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steps to ask Israeli troops not to shoot at unarmed civilians? This

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question is about Yemen. Unfortunately, every country has

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different situations that have to be handled differently. We have to

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appreciate, respect and understand the end the workings of these

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countries to be effective. Now, where have all the tickets gone?

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The prospect of sitting in these stadia at the 2012 Olympics does

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not seem likely for thousands of people after they found out their

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ticket applications were turned down. The Mayor of London Boris

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Johnson said he was cheesed off because he did not get his ticket

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request and there was another politician on the Labour benches

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that did not get what he wanted. Can we have a statement about the

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Olympic tickets debacle and in particular why is it they can

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devise a system by which a million people did not get anything at all

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in the first ballot and people have to do as I do and register on a

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French website to get a sensible way of trying to purchase tickets

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for the Olympics? Should the committee not be called in, showing

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them the instruments of torture and getting them to sort this out?

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There were more bitter for tickets and tickets were available, said

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they had to be a rational system. There will be an opportunity a week

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from today to talk about this and I will give ministers due warning

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that the honourable member is on the warpath. So look out for him.

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And that's it from this edition of the Record. But do join me for the

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Record Review when we not only look back at the week in Parliament, but

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