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Hello and Welcome to the Record Review. The PM is for turning. This | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
week it's been Ken Clarke's sentencing policy. David Cameron | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
says he's listening to the people. But Labour doesn't quite see it | :00:21. | :00:29. | |
like that. After another week of chaos from this coalition, is it | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
any wonder that the Archbishop of Canterbury is now on his knees in | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
despair? One man has been talking quietly to all the top people in | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
the Coalition and he tells us it's working like a well-oiled machine. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
This coalition has proved remarkably stable, united and very | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
effective in terms of quick, firm decisions. Also, two new MPs | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
celebrate their first anniversary with some frank things to say about | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
life at Westminster. And politics meets art - we reveal the paintings | :01:00. | :01:08. | |
the politicians choose for their offices. But first, there was no | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
shortage of items filling David Cameron's in-tray this week. First, | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
the Prime Minister gave apparent concessions to the Liberal | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
Democrats on changes to the NHS. Next, the liberal plans of the | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
Justice Secretary, for a 50% cut in sentences for offenders who plead | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
guilty early, was unceremoniously dropped by David Cameron. On | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
Thursday, Labour totted up the U- turns and wondered what had | :01:30. | :01:37. | |
happened to the Coalition's agenda for public service reform. Back in | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
February the Prime Minister proclaimed we will soon publish a | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
White Paper setting out our approach to public service reform | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
that will signal the decisive end of the old-fashioned top-down model. | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
Bold words, soon, decisive. What's happened? Nothing. First it was put | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
off until May. Now, we hear, it's been delayed until July because of | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
another coalition split. One Lib Dem official said, "Nick does not | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
want there to be any sense that the public sector can't be a provider | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
of good quality public services." We can all feel another pause | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
coming on. Finally, Baroness Thatcher famously possessed no | :02:21. | :02:28. | |
reverse gear. This Prime Minister has a car stuffed full of them and | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
a reverse gear as well! It does make us wonder what exactly goes on | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
inside Number Ten when the Prime Minister approves of all these | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
policies only to reverse in the opposite direction scattering his | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
Cabinet colleagues in the way. So after another week of chaos from | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
this coalition, is it any wonder that the Archbishop of Canterbury | :02:51. | :02:58. | |
is now on his knees in despair? the question of the Archbishop, I | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
haven't seen the full text of what the Archbishop has said. I hope he | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
has found time to balance any criticism of the coalition with | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
commendation for some of the things we have done. The 0.7% of GMI | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
commitment on overseas aid making sure the poorest people in the | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
world don't bear the burden of solving our problems. I hope he | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
also finds time to commend, to commend our action on the pupil | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
premium, taking lower income people out of tax. The Archbishop said | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
that the coalition was rushing things through which nobody voted | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
for. You could turn the coin over and say in a Parliament where no | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
one party has a majority there is much less likelihood of that | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
happening. Hilary Benn poking some fun at the Government. Sir George | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
Young fighting back after the Archbishop of Canterbury has said | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
no-one voted for the Coalition. Well, no-one did vote directly for | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
a Con-Lib Dem Coalition. But that's what we've got and could in fact | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
have all the way to the Spring of 2015. But, regardless of its | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
policies, has this two-party coalition, something pretty unusual | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
in UK politics, actually been working effectively? A detailed | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
study of the way the Coalition has been operating in the power | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
corridors of Whitehall is being carried out by London University's | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
Constitution Unit. The project's led by the constitutional expert, | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
Professor Robert Hazell. When he came into the Record Review studio, | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
he told me about the way his team had gone about its research. Well, | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
this is a 12-month study. We began in January. Over the spring, we | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
have interviewed 90 people, mainly in Whitehall, in Cabinet Office, in | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
Number Ten... This is at all levels of seniority? These are all pretty | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
senior people. In three case study departments in Whitehall, which are | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
DEFRA and DEC and the Department of Communities and Local Government. | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
And in Parliament, we have interviewed a lot of MPs on the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
Conservative and Lib Dem benches and also in the House of Lords we | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
have interviewed a lot of Conservative and Lib Dem peers. | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
have all got our own ideas about Coalition Government and academics | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
have had theories about how our Coalition Government might work. | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
What surprises would you say there have been in the year of Coalition | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
Government that we weren't really expecting at all? I think the big | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
surprise for the British people, who were pretty prejudiced against | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
coalitions, and thought that they would be weak and indecisive, is | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
that this coalition in its first year has proved remarkably stable, | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
united and very effective in terms of quick, firm decisions, some of | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
which admittedly they are now going wobbly on, but no-one can say this | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
Government has been indecisive. large part of the strength of the | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
coalition has been the two people at the top, Cameron and Clegg? | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
Absolutely. That relationship is crucial and they do get on famously | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
well together. They have very regular meetings every Monday | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
morning and they also chat together on Sunday evening and sometimes | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
they have an additional meeting during the week. Every one else at | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
the top, especially at Number Ten and Cabinet Office, takes their | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
tune from Cameron and Clegg and so around them they have top advisors | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
who also get on very well together and have very, very regular | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
informal dealings with each other, some of them several times a day. | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
little bit of resentment from Conservative MPs that the Prime | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
Minister, the leader of their party is doing so much talking to a | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
Liberal Democrat? Of course. That is a natural outcome of a coalition, | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
that the backbenchers feel excluded because their frontbench as it were | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
has got into bed with someone else. In both parties it is important for | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
the leadership also to keep closely in touch with the Parliamentary | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
Party and with the party outside. Do you think that has led to more | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
rebellions than would have been expected because of that point? | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
This Parliament has been the most rebellious we have ever seen, in | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
fact in the first nine months of this Parliament there have been | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
more rebellions on the Government benches than in the first four | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
years of Tony Blair's first Government. So there is an | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
extraordinarily high degree of rebellion. One of the key findings | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
that you have discovered is that the Lib Dem identity has been lost | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
as a result of this coalition. What do you think the Liberal Democrats | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
can do about that? I think it is very difficult for them. In the | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
coalition agreement, they did really well and in an analysis that | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
we did of the two manifestos against the coalition agreement | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
shows the Lib Dems got more of their manifesto, 75%, into the | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
coalition agreement compared with the Tories who only got 60% in. So | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
in terms of the underlying policy for this Government, it is arguably | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
more Lib Dem than Tory. But the public I think will never see how | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
much influence the Lib Dems have because they are making lots of | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
small wins across the whole of Whitehall most of which are | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
invisible to the media and to the public. The Lib Dems, there is an | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
inherent problem here. As the Lib Dems try to show their distinct | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
identity, that must come at a slight cost to the stability of the | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
coalition? It's a classic dilemma for coalitions that they have to | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
demonstrate unity in Government, but enable both the parties also to | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
demonstrate their distinctive identity to the public, especially | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
as we look to the next election. It is much harder for the junior | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
partner. Do you think the Lib Dems made a mistake by pressing on with | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
the AV referendum and Lords reform? It was a mistake, particularly on | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
the AV referendum. I have been warning if they held the referendum | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
on the timetable which they did it was going to be lost. The main | :08:54. | :09:00. | |
reason why they suffered that defeat was reckless haste. On Lords | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
reform, they partly learnt the lesson and they are going very slow | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
on that, in that it took a year for them to publish their proposals. | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
They are now going to be considered by a Joint Committee and that may | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
take another year. What did you notice about divisions between | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
members of the Cabinet? The Cabinet, we haven't found many divisions | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
across the coalition divide. Interestingly, several of our | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
interviewees said to us the strongest disagreements in this | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
Government have been between ministers of the same party. | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Examples given, and these aren't secret, are the big tussles there | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
have been between Ken Clarke as Justice Secretary and Theresa May | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
as Home Secretary over justice versus security and law-and-order | :09:47. | :09:55. | |
kind of issues, or on the Lib Dem side between Chris Huhne, batting | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
for climate change, and Vince Cable, batting for business. There's an | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
obvious tension between these two. That reminds the Lib Dems are | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
sprinkled across - I think they have 22 ministerial posts - across | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
the departments. Do you think it would have been better if they had | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
one or two departments that would have been exclusively Liberal | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
Democrat? Would that have worked? That is a really good question. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
That is something we are going to explore much more in the next phase | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
of our project. You are quite right, the Lib Dems did decide at the | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
beginning of this Government to go for breadth rather than depth. And | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
as a result of that breadth, it is really difficult for them to | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
demonstrate significant impact on specific areas of policy so that if | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
there is a reshuffle, and if I were offering advice to Nick Clegg, I | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
think I would say if you can, regroup your ministers in much more | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
concentrated areas so that you can show to the public where the Lib | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
Dems are making a difference. Another finding that you have made | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
is that the Deputy Prime Minister's office is under strength. What can | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
be done to make amends there? largely it has been strengthened in | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
terms of numbers, but Nick Clegg's team will never be as senior or | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
experienced as the people in Number Ten and that's their underlying | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
difficulty so it is never going to have the same clout as Number Ten | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
working for the Prime Minister. And I think all that Nick Clegg can do | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
is look for support from some of the people in Number Ten, which he | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
does get, but also carve out for himself very clear strategic | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
priorities which the public can know and understand. Do you think | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
the Liberal Democrats have enough time? 2015, the next general | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
election, have they got enough time to turn things around because | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
electorally they have just had a bit of a mauling in the recent | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
local elections? It's always difficult for the junior partner | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
and the junior partner in a coalition suffers electorally | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
because they can't distinguish themselves sufficiently to the | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
electorate. But they have got four years. If they do begin to carve | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
out some very clear strategic priorities so that they can go to | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
the electorate in 2015 and say, "Look, this is the difference that | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
we have made, in this area, this area and this." At the moment, if | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
you look at the Lib Dem website and you see the policy documents where | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
they analyse the difference they have made, when I last looked they | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
had 140 different items. They are never going to convince the | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
electorate if they have that many policy items. On the general | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
political landscape, because there's two parties in Government | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
and one party in opposition, does that change the dynamics on every | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
issue and how the public perceives it because you have one main party, | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
namely Labour, that is in opposition each time, do you think | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
that has an effect on how the public perceive each issue? | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
would be very interesting to know how many members of the public know | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
that the Lib Dems are in Government. What they see is a Government led | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
by David Cameron. So, I suspect for a lot of the public we have a Tory | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
Government. That's another difficulty for the Lib Dems in | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
convincing the public that they are having an impact and to some extent, | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
sometimes they have to come out almost in opposition to the | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
Government of which they are members. Finally, history is not on | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
the Liberals side, when they have taken part in peacetime coalitions, | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
it has been a complete disaster for them at the next election. That | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
must be weighing heavily on the minds of Nick Clegg and his senior | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
Lib Dem colleagues? Indeed. The Liberals, as they were, have been | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
in coalition three times in the last century or so. And on each | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
occasion it's led to a split in the Liberal Party. The key lesson for | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
Nick Clegg, what he's got to watch out for, is that when the party | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
becomes uncomfortable about being in coalition, the rot as it were | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
starts from the tail not from the head. So it's the members of the | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
party or the Parliamentary Party who become really unhappy and begin | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
to split away and he needs to keep his party and his parliamentary | :14:08. | :14:15. | |
colleagues strongly on board. Professor Hazell. It's one year on | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
for the class of 2010, and the Hansard Society has just published | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
a survey of the attitudes of the new Commons intake. MPs complain of | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
being overworked and unimpressed with some of Parliaments' | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
procedures. Many have taken a big pay cut. Our reporter Emma Murray | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
asked the Conservative MP Simon Hart and the Commons' first Green | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
MP, Caroline Lucas, if they'd known what they were letting themselves | :14:32. | :14:42. | |
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I did know it was a pretty weird and wonderful place. It has lived | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
up to that assessment. What shocked me most is the amount of time that | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
MPs have to waste, whether it is sitting in the chamber for hours on | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
hours on the offchance they might get the speaker's eye or and the | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
queuing up in order to vote much we calculated over the lifetime of a | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
four-year Parliament MPs could be wasting 250 hours waiting to go | :15:04. | :15:14. | |
through the aye lobby or the no lobby. That inefficiency has been | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
shocking. I think most of my voters expect me to be in the chamber | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
listening to debate. Standing around talking to colleagues while | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
you are waiting to vote, which is the last thing we do often in the | :15:27. | :15:33. | |
day's work, isn't a bad use of time. I'm an evolutionist, not a | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
revolutionist. Many new MPs complained about being overworked. | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
Can you be effective when you are working a 74-hour week? We went | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
into it with our eyes open. It's tough. I'm not whingeing about it. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
It's an exhilarating place to work. Yes, it's demanding. Yes, it's long | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
hours. It's not particularly socialable from a family point of | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
view. We'd like to think it's valuable work. Valuable work for | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
the people we represent. If we didn't like the hours which we were | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
going to work we shouldn't have applied for the job in the first | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
place Can you be effective? I too take nart debates and sit and | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
listen to debates. To wait six hours not know if anything you will | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
get into a debate day after day is not, I would contend a good use of | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
time when you have constituents contact you on issues. I think the | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
issue here is how we organise our time. The way Westminster does it | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
is not very efficient. You wouldn't look at any other institution in | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
this country and think thiss with a good way of acting. The amount of | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
hours we work are many. That is not a surprise. I do think we should be | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
looking at other ways ever operating. For example, I attracted | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
much mirth when I suggested the idea of job sharing for MPs. I'm | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
serious about. It more women could get involved. Younger people could | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
get involved we could make this job a meaningful and febgive job rather | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
than it being the boys late at night. It's an old boys club. That | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
needs to change. I don't think I'm that old. I don't see it as a club. | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
I think what we do, it's prot duct. Are we providing value-for-money? | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
Are we doing what they want us to do? Sometimes, when we have | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
conversations like this it looks pretty self-indull gent. We spend | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
years trying to get elected, we get elected and then we complain about | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
how the system doesn't work. It does work quite well. There are | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
quite a lot of checks and balances in there which make sure in the end, | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
no matter how frustrating it is, it stops us making stupid decisions. | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
Well, mainly stops us taking stupid decisions. We have to be cautious | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
about saying, it's all rubbish, let's get rid of it because we | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
kfplt I'm not saying it's all rubbish or get rid of. It I say | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
look at reforms that I proposed. We have had debates in Westminster | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
Hall we will have a debate on the floor of the House. There is | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
concern about how we make Parliament more efficient and more | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
effective. I hope that translates into effective reforms very soon. | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
There is going to change? I'm sure it can change if the political will | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
is there. I might have to work on him first. | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
The views there of two spring chickens in the Westminster | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
farmyard. Now, a look at some of the other | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
stories around Parliament in the last seven days. | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
The Home Secretary, Theresa May, has given details of the new | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
National Crime Agency, which will replace the Serious Organised Crime | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
Agency, set up only five years ago. It'll cover drugs and gun crime, | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
and will also have responsibility to tackle the exploitation of | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
children on the internet. National Crime Agency will be a | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
crime fighting organisation. It will tackle organised crime, defend | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
our borders, fight fraud and sieb cyber crime and protect children | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
and young people. The Government is pushing ahead with American-style | :19:01. | :19:09. | |
plans for -- that nobody wants much they are dogged by chaos and | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
confusion. There is no sign the Home Secretary has got a grip. | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
A financial crisis at the care provider Southern Cross prompts | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
some peers to attack the involvement of private companies in | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
the care sector. Given the latest revelation that is Southern Cross | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
traded the care of older people for short-term profit. Given the | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
revolution that the quality care commission failed to come to the | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
help of suffering people in a home in Bristol, can I urge him to take | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
the most urgent steps, as soon as possible, to relieve the suffering | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
of people old and frail and dependant, who are currently | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
suffering much neglect? problems besetting Southern Cross | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
are an object lesson in the dangers of market failure attending the | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
privatisation of public services. The newest Royal of all, but could | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
the phone messages of Kate Middleton, before she became the | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
Duchess of Cambridge, have been hacked into? | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
A Labour MP alerts the Prime Minister. The Metropolitan Police | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
are in pocession of paperwork that details the dealings of Jonathan | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
reest. It strongly suggests that on behalf of News International he was | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
illegally targeting members of the Royal Family, senior Pol Pot | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
titions and high level terrorist informers. In the case of phone | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
haging, which is illegal and wrong, there have been prosecutions, there | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
have been imprisonments. If that is where the evidence takes them, that | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
is what will happen in the future. A home grown crisis of a rather | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
green nature. Can we convince everyone that the | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
British cucumber is safe to eat, following the E-coli outbreak in | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
Germany? Despite British produce being perfectly safe many farmers | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
are seeing a fall in sales of 30% to 50%. Some are on their way to | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
bankruptcy. Account Government redouble their efforts to fair | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
access tolts 150 million euros of EU compensation and for Russia to | :21:12. | :21:20. | |
lift its unfair ban on UK cucumbers. I share his concern about UK | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
cucumber producers. All the evidence is that it's perfectly | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
safe to eat them. Sir George Young rallying to the | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
defence of the British cucumber. Food for thought. | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
From Whitehall to the Whitechapel Art Gallery. | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
Did you know the government owns a massive art collection, worth many | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
millions? The art is used to adorn the | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
offices of Ministers and Mandarins. Yet the public, which owns the | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
collection, has never seen it. Until now. | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
Five exhibitions over the coming years are going to be put on around | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
the country. Emma Murray has been down to the | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
first exhibition in East London to take a look at what we've been | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
buying all these years. From 16th century monarch arks to 21st | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
century politicians. Where the political elite are to be found so | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
too is art. Now, for the first time, in its 113th year history, a small | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
slice of the government art collection is open to the public. | :22:10. | :22:17. | |
The exhibit features work choosen by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
and Culture Minister. Labour's Lord Mandelson and Lord Boateng have | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
also made selections from the government's pieces. I asked Daniel | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
Herman where the connection lies between art and politics? I think | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
politics and art has long been a connection. We can't think of | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
politics without art. Ever since the Romans who had their heads of | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
state embossed on coins, do we have picture politics. Of course, there | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
is a strong connection between what you put up in your room. What you | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
put up in an official building and how you carry yourself and how you | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
represent yourself. It's about putting your best foot forward. | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
This particular painting is very popular because it is by one of the | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
best British artists of the post- war generation. It shows a scene of | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
post-war austerity. A group scene of lots of people aseming at the | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
Lancashire Fair, the painting was painted in 1946. It was acquired by | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
the government art collection for �120. Even though it's quite a | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
substantial sum of money at the time has been a tremendous | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
investment. These paintings are ambassadors for Britain. This is is | :23:34. | :23:41. | |
the first of five displace and is on at the Whitechapel Art Gallery. | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
It will finish in the Ulster Museum in Belfast. | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
You're watching the Record Review, after a week when the coalition | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
government found itself under double attack from | :23:53. | :24:02. | |
:24:03. | :24:03. | ||
and the Archbishop of Canterbury., cooling and Labour. | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
The Duke of Edinburgh is 90, and MPs and peers have been paying | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
tribute. Prince Phillip is the longest- | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
serving Royal consort in British history. | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
He's spent more than six decades talking to people, all kinds of | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
people, on, literally, thousands of official Royal visits, sometimes in | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
his own right, but often alongside the Queen. | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
The Duke has made several hundred speeches and is, perhaps, best | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
known for his quirky, unpredictable comments, some of which might be | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
called 'politically incorrect'. His world-renowned Duke of | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
Edinburgh's Award Scheme has helped children achieve skills and self- | :24:34. | :24:44. | |
:24:44. | :24:46. | ||
reliance. The Prime Minister described the Prince's naval record | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
and his great support for environment charities. He has a | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
down-to-earth no nonsense approach that the British people, I believe, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
find.endearing. Of course, many of us who give public speeches would | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
be honoured to have a book published of our most famous | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
sayings. There have been several published of his. My own favourite | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
was when, after a long flight, the eager to please official asked him, | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
"how was your flight?" He replied, "have you been on a plane, you know | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
how it goes up in the air and comes back down again, well, it was just | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
like that". I would like to go on for longer I'm reminded about his | :25:27. | :25:35. | |
remark about certificate mons who overrun. The Duke put it, "the mind | :25:35. | :25:43. | |
cannot absorb what the backside cannot endure". With that in mind | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
let me give the final say to the person who knows him best of all | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
Her Majesty the Queen. She said in a speeched he had been, "her | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
strength and stay all these years" that she and his whole family and | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
this and many other countries owe him a debt greater than he would | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
ever claim or we shall ever know. The Duke has been a Prince amongst | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
consort is a King amongst characters. His unique turn of | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
phrase has become a-loved feature of modern British life. There are | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
two repeatable examples that I want to share with the House today. To | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
the matron of a hospital he visited in the Caribbean he commented, "you | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
have mosquitos, I have the press". I think that's a sentiment which | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
many of us should share at various times in politics. Legend also has | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
it that following the Coronation in 1953 he turned to Her Majesty and | :26:46. | :26:53. | |
say said, "where did you tkpwhaet hat?" We should, in this House, and | :26:53. | :27:01. | |
we do, feel gratitude, respect and pride for Prince Philip's service | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
to his country and to recall that he is indeed part of that | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
remarkable generation that served with distinction during the war, | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
who did their duty and just got on with it then with the rebuilding of | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
Britain afterwards. He certainly is, Mr Speaker, a formidable man and | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
:27:32. | :27:37. | ||
refreshingly does not suffer fools gladly. As I know to my cost. | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
2001 he was invited, as I think was the Prime Minister and others | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
elected, it was our tenth anniversary yesterday, we were | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
invited to Buckingham Palace and the Duke of Edinburgh came up to | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
Panjit and said, "what did you do before you got this job?" He said, | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
"I worked in a trade union". The Duke of Edinburgh immediately | :27:59. | :28:09. | |
:28:09. | :28:09. | ||
replied, "bugger all then". To which, he thought he could | :28:09. | :28:16. | |
retaliate with force said, "what did you do before you got this job" | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
to which he replied, "fought in the Second World War". There are | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
occasions when I think a little bit of humility from this House towards | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
his Royal highness is appropriate. In a BBC documentary for his 90th | :28:32. | :28:39. | |
birthday I understand the Duke says of his role, "it's all been trial | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
and ror," as his son says in the programme, "that view is typical of | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
him, he is modest about himself". While the Duke of Edinburgh may | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
indeed be modest his achievements are not. For many people, all over | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
the world, the words Duke of Edinburgh are linked with the award | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
scheme which carries his name. While confounding all the | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
stereotypical views we hold of someone facing his tenth decade, | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
the Duke retained his bounce and interest in life. His robust sense | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
of humour added a welcome informality to official occasions. | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
A reported conversation at a press reception to mark the Golden | :29:20. | :29:27. | |
Jubilee in 2002 went something like this, "who are you?", "I'm the | :29:27. | :29:36. | |
Editor in Chief of the Independent". "what are you doing here?" "you | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
invited me, sir ." "well, you didn't have to come". He likes to | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
cut to the heart of the matter. The current Bishop of Norwich the Duke | :29:50. | :30:00. | |
:30:00. | :30:00. | ||
asked him, "are you happy clappie?" To hi he reresponded "no, I'm | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
smells and bells". I'm pleased to say following this robust exchange | :30:05. | :30:14. | |
This week saw a special sitting of the Northern Ireland Assembly at | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
Stormont. David Cameron became the second Prime Minister to address | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
the Assembly since the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. The Prime | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
Minister was driven to Stormont, on the outskirts of Belfast on | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
Thursday afternoon meeting officials as he arrived before | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
stepping inside the famous and historic building. A short walk | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
through Stormont and then, Members of the Assembly got to their feet | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
as the Prime Minister entered the debating chamber. David Cameron | :30:38. | :30:45. | |
first struck a historical note. I also say what an honour it is to | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
stand here and speak in this historic chamber? Of course, I | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
recognise this is not a place without controversy. In the past, | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
it was for some a guarantee of their place within the Union. For | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
others, a symbol of a state and a system from which they felt | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
excluded. I don't intend to ignite that debate, but I am reminded of | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
the words of King George V in 1921 and his appeal to all Irishmen and | :31:16. | :31:26. | |
:31:26. | :31:27. | ||
women, "To stretch the hand of forebearance and conciliation and | :31:27. | :31:36. | |
to forgive and forget." It was time to revive the private sector and | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
attract investment. Northern Ireland is too dependent on the | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
state. Three quarters of your GDP is accounted for by state spending. | :31:45. | :31:52. | |
At a time when we are dealing with the biggest budget deficit in our | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
peacetime history, that is unsustainable and has to change. We | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
recognise the difficulties facing Northern Ireland as you chart a new, | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
more sustainable economic future, it requires us in Westminster to | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
act responsibly. That is why we made sure that Northern Ireland did | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
proportionately better than other parts of the UK in the Spending | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
Review. By the end of this Parliament, the Northern Ireland | :32:14. | :32:20. | |
Resource Budget will have gone down by 6.9%, that is 1. And he | :32:20. | :32:27. | |
concluded. 7% a year. Let us work together to make devolution a | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
success. Let us work together to revive the economy. Let us work | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
together to build a shared future. In working together, be assured | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
that you have a Prime Minister, a Secretary of State and a Government | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
that will always stand by the people here in Northern Ireland. | :32:43. | :32:53. | |
:32:53. | :33:01. | ||
Thank you. APPLAUSE David Cameron. Now they're springing up in ever | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
greater numbers. And they're increasingly important for the UK's | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
energy mix. But are wind turbines friendly for us if we're near them? | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
Peers have been told that there's growing evidence that wind turbines | :33:10. | :33:17. | |
are having an adverse effect on those who live in their shadow. | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
Wind farm noise differs from other continuous forms of noise for | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
example the noise from a nuclear power station. It has a rhythmic | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
pulsing quality with a vibrating effect which many have found too | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
invasive and disturbing to live with. It can quite obviously | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
seriously damage people's health. My experience is that people mind | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
very much indeed at this persistent noise. It is painful, it is harmful. | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
I recently was at one station and it has larger wind turbines but far | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
fewer of them which is the way that they tend to, the movement is going | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
at the moment, less individual turbines but larger ones which are | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
much more efficient. I walked around that wind farm and I have to | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
say I can't remember hearing the noise while being at the site. I am | :34:14. | :34:21. | |
sure they do on occasions, there is those noise issues, but I would | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
suggest that noble Lords here stand by them and see what noise there is. | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
It is extremely low. Certainly far less than a main road. It is | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
bizarre that the environmental worriers support this programme | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
when what it does to the visual environment as has been pointed out | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
is quite appalling. I object to the fact that they are described as | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
"wind farms". I think the farms and the farming community contribute | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
enormously to our environment and to our visual environment. These | :34:56. | :35:04. | |
objects are quite the opposite, they scar, I think we need a new | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
collective name. I think "wind blight" is one that could be used | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
in the future. Views about wind turbines. Talking about heat and | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
light, Prime Minister's Questions was back on Wednesday after a two- | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
week break, so no shortage of issues for Ed Miliband to focus on. | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
The Labour leader claimed the criminal justice policy was in a | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
"total mess" following news that David Cameron had blocked the plans | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
to give 50% reductions in sentences to criminals who plead guilty early. | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
The Labour leader said he knew why David Cameron was in effect | :35:33. | :35:41. | |
"tearing up" Kenneth Clarke's original proposal. We read in the | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
newspapers today that the Prime Minister's torn up the Justice | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
Secretary's proposals because he felt he had to step in and I can | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
see why. There is widespread public concern around this country about | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
this proposal to cut by 50% the sentencing for those who plead | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
guilty. I just ask the Prime Minister again, the consultation | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
ended in March. The Justice Secretary was advocating the policy | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
two weeks' ago. Has he torn it up, "yes" or "no"? I think the right | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
honourable gentleman ought to do something more useful than read the | :36:12. | :36:22. | |
:36:22. | :36:23. | ||
newspapers. One response to the consultation paper came from his | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
Shadow Justice Secretary, the man sitting next to him, who said this | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
in response to the consultation paper. He said this: "It is a | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
perfectly sensible vision for a sentencing policy entirely in | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
keeping with the emphasis on punishment and reform that Labour | :36:37. | :36:45. | |
followed in Government." Why the sudden U-turn? Mr Speaker, he knows | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
and the whole country knows he is in a total mess on his sentencing | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
policy. Just like on all of his other crime policies. I now want to | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
ask about another area where he is in a complete mess. Can the Prime | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
Minister tell us why he has made such a mess of his health plans? | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
I'm not surprised he wants to move on. On the first subject he was | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
found guilty. And as regards NHS reforms, the Prime Minister again | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
quoted the words of Labour's John Healey, the Shadow Health Secretary. | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
This is what he said: "Looking at the evidence of what works, | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
listening hard to those who know the NHS and learning from the views | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
they get, that is not rocket science, it is simply good | :37:30. | :37:37. | |
Government." So, what he calls a shambles, his Shadow Health | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
Secretary calls good Government. He is not in command of the ship. | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
did he tell the Royal College of Nursing a year before the election? | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
There will be no more of those pointless top-down reorganisations | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
that aim for change and instead bring chaos. Why did he say that? | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
If he wants to look at what is happening in the NHS, there is only | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
one part of the country that is controlled by neighbour, that is | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
Wales. In Wales, waiting lists are massively up and health spending is | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
being cut. That is what Labour would do to the NHS. Mr Speaker, I | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
will tell him why he made promises that he then broke because he is | :38:20. | :38:30. | |
:38:30. | :38:33. | ||
shameless and he will say anything. And the second reason he's made a | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
mess of the Health Service is because he didn't think the policy | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
through. Last June, he ordered the NHS to stop enforcing Labour's 18- | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
week waiting time target. As a result of that, the number of | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
patients waiting more than 18 weeks has gone up by 69%. Why did he | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
scrap that instruction to enforce the waiting time target? I think | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
the best that can be said about this performance is obviously... | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
Quite rightly, he wasn't thinking about politics on his honeymoon. | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
Look, the point I would make is waiting times, what matters is the | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
time people wait. Medium waiting times are down. That is what's | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
happened in the NHS, that is something he misled the House of | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
Commons about a fortnight ago and still hasn't... | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
THE SPEAKER: Order. I know the Prime Minister will be a follower | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
of parliamentary protocol and he won't suggest the Leader of the | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
Opposition misled the House of Commons. I am sure he will withdraw | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
that remark. I'm grateful. He gave an interesting use of facts | :39:36. | :39:43. | |
in terms of waiting times which are down in the NHS. David Cameron and | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
Ed Miliband with the weekly ritualistic exchanges. Backbench | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
MPs raised a variety of subjects with the Prime Minister. One | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
focused on the age of magistrates compared with the age of Kenneth | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Clarke, the Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor. Why do magistrates | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
have to retire at the age of 70 when the Lord Chancellor who | :40:01. | :40:11. | |
:40:11. | :40:13. | ||
appoints them is 71 this year? point I would make to my honourable | :40:13. | :40:20. | |
friend is, it is important - and I speak of somebody whose mother | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
serve as a magistrate - it is important you get turnover in the | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
magistrates so new come can come in. He's only been in his job for a | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
year. He is doing a superb job and I can tell you there is plenty more | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
fuel in his tank. Abroad, and a Conservative asks about the | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
worsening situation in Syria. Speaker, we are reminded on a daily | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
basis that not everyone in the world is as fortunate as us in the | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
freedoms that we enjoy in this country. In particular, I would | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
like to highlight the horror of the images of the 13-year-old boy who | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
was tortured by forces of the Syrian government in the recent | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
weeks. Will the Prime Minister give me his assurance that he will use | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
every influence he has to ensure the international community condemn | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
the activities of the Syrian government and the demand that | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
their reign of terror ends? I think the honourable lady has spoken for | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
the whole House in what she said about those dreadful pictures of | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
that poor boy. There are credible reports of 1,000 dead and as many | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
as 10,000 detained and the violence being meted out to peaceful | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
protesters is completely unacceptable. Of course, we must | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
not stand silent in the face of these outrages, and we won't. We | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
have frozen assets and banned travel by members of the regime and | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
we have added President Assad to that list. We need to go further | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
and today, in New York, Britain and France will be tabling a resolution | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
at the Security Council condemning the repression and demanding | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
accountability and humanitarian access. If anyone votes against | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
that resolution, or tries to veto it, that should be on their | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
conscience. And time for a comment about | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
football. I am sure the Prime Minister will agree with me that | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
there should be no place for corruption in football, given the | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
re-election of Sepp Blatter has brought FIFA into disrepute further, | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
will he take this opportunity to voice his support for those who are | :42:08. | :42:15. | |
calling for the reforms we need to show Mr Blatter the red card? | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
feel personally I have seen football governance at an | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
international level and I wasn't that impressed by what I saw. | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
FIFA's reputation is now at an all- time low and obviously the election | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
with one candidate was something of a farce. It has to become more | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
transparent and more accountable. They have to prove that they are | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
capable of doing the job that they are meant to. Change has got to | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
come from within football and I am sure the FA will want to play a | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
very major role in helping to bring that about. David Cameron. Now who | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
chooses what gets debated in Parliament? Well, historically, | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
it's the Government, apart from Opposition Days. But in the last | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
year there's been a change in the rules. And ordinary MPs, in the | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
form of a Backbench Business Committee, also get to decide on a | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
section of the timetable. First, individual MPs have to make their | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
own pitch to the committee. Here's the former Shadow Home Secretary | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
David Davis arguing on Tuesday why time must be found for a debate on | :43:06. | :43:16. | |
super-injunctions. The last time I spoke to this committee I was here | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
to talk about prisoner votes. That was a pretty clear-cut | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
straightforward black-and-white issue. This is absolutely the | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
opposite. I am looking at Mr Hemming, he knows it is the | :43:28. | :43:35. | |
absolute opposite. We have a series of competing rights and privileges | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
which have now become confused in the last five or ten years after | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
the effects of judicial law-making effectively on the back of the | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
Human Rights Act. It's an area where Parliament rather than | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
Government should have or at least as well as Government should have a | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
major say. We have got so little time and we are never sure when it | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
is going to be taken away from us and the first day we have isn't | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
until 23rd June. It is very topical. The Government will be setting up | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
in short order two Joint Committees. I think one's already set up. One | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
on privacy and one on the super- injunction issue. I think it is | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
important that Parliament rather than Government effectively sets | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
the criteria by which those committees will address their task | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
and they will be reporting within a year so they will be set up shortly. | :44:31. | :44:41. | |
:44:41. | :44:42. | ||
That is the primary deadline if you This committee can only allocate | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
the time given to it by the government. That is limited, | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
especially in the chamber. I know you want a whole day, if we were | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
able to offer you two to three hours would you take it? I would | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
say no. This is to point to have an effect. If it can't have that | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
effect I'd rather steal that time from somebody else.. I'm a big fan | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
of what the backbench committee does and the new role it created | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
for Parliament. I wouldn't want to take us and use time effectively | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
when someone else could use it effectively. Another pitch as an | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
MPs argues argues for time for a debate on the proposed new high- | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
speed rail line between London and Birmingham. Those directly affected | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
in their own constituency have as yet formed a view. This is �30 | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
billion plus project, more expensive than replacing Trident. | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
If you ask the House 550 members wouldn't have a view. We are keen | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
to have the profile that a debate in the chamber would give us, a | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
three-hour debate in the chamber. You pressed us to have a votable | :45:55. | :46:03. | |
motion. The transport Select Committee inquiry into the business | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
case and the national consultation it would not be appropriate for the | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
House to divide until after the consultation. The need to put that | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
issue out into the public domain, in a high profile way, is | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
absolutely urgent. The Attorney General, Dominic | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
Grieve, has rejected calls for an inquest into the death of the | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
government scientist Dr David Kelly. The scientist was at the centre of | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
a huge row between the BBC and the Labour government over the use of | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
intelligence on Iraq. The Hutton Inquiry in 2004 found | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
that Dr Kelly had committed suicide, but a group of doctors says there's | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
plenty of evidence it wasn't suicide. | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
Dominic Grieve spoke first about the large amount of paperwork he'd | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
received concerning Dr Kelly's death. Having given all the | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
material that has been sent to me the most careful consideration, I | :46:50. | :46:57. | |
have concluded that the evidence that Dr Kelly took his own life is | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
overwhelmingly strong. Further, there is nothing I've seen that | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
supports any allegations that Dr Kelly was murdered, or that his | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
death was the subject of any kind of conspiracy or coverup. In my | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
view, no purpose would be served by my making an application to the | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
High Court for an inquest. Indeed, I have no reasonable basis for | :47:17. | :47:23. | |
doing so. There is no possibility that at an inquest a verdict other | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
than suicide would be returned. Attorney-General's decision | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
substanciates the post-mortem and toxicology reports and published by | :47:35. | :47:42. | |
the Ministry of justice last October in the interest of | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
maintaining the public support. We accept the Attorney-General's | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
decision today on the basey he has carefully and clearly outlined his | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
detailed reasons for not applying to the High Court to request an | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
inquest into Dr Kelly's death duer duh to the lack of new compelling | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
evidence that Dr Kelly did not commit suicide. As a member of the | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
Foreign Affairs Committee that took evidence from Dr David Kelly I | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
never doubted he committed suicide. I leave Lord Hutton was right on | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
this even though his conclusions on the war have been challenged. I | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
have known the Attorney-General for many years. I know he would have | :48:19. | :48:26. | |
done a thorough job. Will he accept that the evidence on this is clear | :48:26. | :48:33. | |
and it a's's time to bring closure to that matter and move on. | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
questioned Dr Kelly two-days before he died, I formed the view that a | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
very distinguished public servant was deeply distressed by the | :48:41. | :48:48. | |
situation in which he had placed himself. Although I'm wholly | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
unpersuaded by any of the theories put forward as an alternative to | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
suicide could the attorney spell out what he thinks would be lost by | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
allowing the process of inquiry to be completed by an inquest? | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
first problem I have to say is that there is no basis on which the High | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
Court could possibly order an inquest. In my judgement, if I were | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
to go to the High Court and make such an application it would be | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
dismissed. Dismissed I would say, on the basis of my reasoning, with | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
a certain amount of irritation. Would the Attorney-General agree | :49:27. | :49:34. | |
with me that his statement today should put to bed some of the | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
outrageous speculations that members of our security forces | :49:38. | :49:48. | |
:49:48. | :49:48. | ||
might have murdered Dr Kelly? On Monday, a Labour peer spoke of | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
the bravery of women who served in the Special Operations Executive, | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
or SOE, during the Second World War. The women were deployed behind | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
enemy lines and lived as ordinary citizens while helping the | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
Resistance. Agents for the SOE were taught how | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
to get out of handcuffs with a pencil, and how to kill with their | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
bare hands. They acted variously as couriers, wireless operators | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
saboteurs. They found places for planes to land, bringing more | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
agents and supplies. They established safe houses and worked | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
with resistance movements to disrupt the occupation and to clear | :50:18. | :50:25. | |
the paths for the allied advance. They did these things after given | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
wartime pressures, my lords, a very brief period of training. | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
Apparently, they had each been told, when recruited, that there was a | :50:35. | :50:41. | |
50% chance of personal survival. Yet, my lords, to their credit off | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
they went. They became the unofficial meeting place for SOE | :50:47. | :50:53. | |
people on leave. I do know that one brave woman stayed on over two | :50:53. | :50:58. | |
years after the war had finished. Every night she drank her two gins | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
and tonics and ate her dinnerment she never asked for or was given a | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
bill. That was the way that small hotel honoured our heroes. It is a | :51:07. | :51:13. | |
pity that those in charge never saw fit to do the same. My LordS, is it | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
too thriet put right this wrong? There are a number of memorials | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
around the country. Actually, what we sneed a memorial for all the | :51:23. | :51:31. | |
women in the SOE, not just those who were recognised post hue | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
mousely. I felt a great deal of shame when Eileen Nern was found by | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
herself, no family and the local authority in Torquay had to bury | :51:43. | :51:48. | |
her. What an indictment on a nation that owes so much to such a small | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
number. Comparison with the French may be difficult because the war on | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
their soil. They recognised the work of women. The key message was | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
universial reinforced throughout the museum. The service of these | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
women was of the highest order and undoubtedly militarily. I have seen | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
the brief displays where SOE agents, men and women were trained, barely | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
a mention of women. My LordS, it is clear that the outstanding | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
dangerous and sometimes deadly service of these women needs to be | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
recognised and at the highest level. I ask the Minister to consider | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
reevaluating the medals awarded to these women, both alive and post | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
hue mousely to be sure they reflect the highest military contribution | :52:33. | :52:42. | |
possible. We need tone sure there is a permanent archive in place. | :52:42. | :52:48. | |
Otherwise, we will forget. At this small regional museum every sheet | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
on the display about the women have these words - I'm refrain to our | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
youth. Now, when a grandmother talks to you of the resistance here | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
in the lot, watch her eyes. If she shares her story, they'll tell you | :53:03. | :53:10. | |
she is always 20. Listen to her. The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
has again been criticised for failing to force banks to lend | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
money to small businesses. Some months ago, Britain's four | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
biggest banks agreed to increase lending in an arrangement known as | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
'Project Merlin'. New figures show the banks are | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
already falling short of their lending targets by several billion | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
pounds. Vince Cable faced MPs on Thursday | :53:27. | :53:34. | |
during questions to the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills. | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
There is a genuinely difficult problem here of trying to get | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
previously highly over extended banks to lend to small and medium- | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
sized businesses. The Secretary of State was very critical of the last | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
government's performance on this issue much he said the banks ran | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
ring around that government. Given that the first indication of | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
Project Merlin show a 2.2 billion pound shortfall between what the | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
banks are doing and what the government agreed they would do, | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
how would he describe the performance of his government on | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
bank lending? Of the lending banks two of them have met the targets. | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
Which demonstrated that the demand is there for banks that are able | :54:16. | :54:21. | |
and willing to change their culture of lending. Where we have taken on | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
the arrangements which the last government had was bringing in the | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
private banks, which are not owned wholly or partly by the taxpayer, | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
into this agreement. They are taking it seriously. We are making | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
it clear that we expect this agreement to be delivered and the | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
volume of lending to SME's will increase. Is he ready to do a | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
little more than monitor this situation. In particular, not allow | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
banks to get away with the excuse that the demand isn't there, when | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
it's the price of the loan and the terms attached to it that so often | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
is too difficult for struggling small businesses who need the | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
credit? The Minister must realise that the agreement is a busted | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
flush. No good coming from it. The continued failure of the banking | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
sector to meet the minimum targets set, continued net, no new lending | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
is not acceptable the terms and conditions, as his own member has | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
said, under which the loans are made are really very penal very | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
often. Can't he get into that? No point monitoring it. We want him to | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
examine what is going on and come forward with concrete proposals to | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
improve it. We finish with the very first | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
speech of the newest Member of Parliament. | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
Jon Ashworth was recently voted in as MP for Leicester South. | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
By tradition, Mr Ashworth's maiden speech acknowledged the work of his | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
predecessor, Sir Peter Soulsby, and also contained plenty of | :55:48. | :55:55. | |
interesting facts about his constituency. My constituency can | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
boost of much cultural and sporting heritage. The 6 '30s playwright | :56:00. | :56:10. | |
:56:10. | :56:11. | ||
grew up there. I believe at one time the singer Engelbert grew up | :56:11. | :56:18. | |
in Leicester South as well. Mr Ashworth, please release me | :56:18. | :56:27. |