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Will the Secretary of State's
"glide path" to greater | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Westminster intervention end
with a smooth landing? | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Or is the political turbulence such
that we'd better get used | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
to thinking about devolution
in the past tense? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Welcome to The View. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:24 | |
Tonight... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:44 | |
It is not the glide path and James
Brokenshire says he has on. We are | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
laws on autopilot, just like
Northern Ireland has been and, some | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
would say, for the past few months. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
Gareth Gordon gets his wings
in a flight simulator | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
but what will be the reality
if another devolution deadline | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
has a crash landing? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
We've doubled up our commentary team
tonight to take on that question. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
And because Brexit's never far away
from these discussions, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
we'll get the view of the DUP's
Ian Paisley and Fianna | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Fail's foreign affairs
spokesman Darragh O'Bryan. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:17 | |
He won't use the words "direct"
and "rule" consecutively | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
in the same sentence. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Instead, as he contemplates how,
and when, to move to the next phase | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
of the devolution crisis
at Stormont, James Brokenshire has | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
come up with a new formula
for telling us the end is nigh. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
He says we're on a "glide path
to greater Westminster involvement". | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
The consensus is that that
will come early next week | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
when Mr Brokenshire begins
the process of setting a budget. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
Gareth Gordon has beaten him
to the flight controls to see | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
what the future might look like. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:52 | |
If things don't change, we risk
being on a glide path to greater and | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
greater UK Government intervention.
Ultimately, on a glide path that I | 0:01:57 | 0:02:08 | |
have indicated, without an
agreement, we are on a glide path in | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
Northern Ireland to greater and
greater UK Government intervention. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
So let's see how easy that flying
business errors. -- in this flying | 0:02:19 | 0:02:27 | |
business is. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
This is as on the glide path. Not
the kind that James Brokenshire says | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
that he is on, this is an error bars
simulator. We are on autopilot, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:52 | |
which is on the like Northern
Ireland, some people would say, has | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
been on for the past seven months.
We go to try and bring this thing | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
down safely at the International
Airport. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:11 | |
Back on terra firma, this is the
community hub. It is on the site of | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
a former security based in north
Belfast. A symbol of what Northern | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Ireland could look like almost 20
years after the Belfast agreement. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
One part of the building, young
people out of boxing. Next door new | 0:03:28 | 0:03:35 | |
research into the error APPLAUSE
Many peace walls is discussed. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
These are trying times 40 minute
he's looking to store marked as an | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
example of how people can get along.
If you have direct rule, that is not | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
necessarily good to set out a
positive message to people in these | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
communities, because it be feel that
politicians cannot work together, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
how are we supposed to try and get
people on the ground to work | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
together? When peace was established
in this part of this today, there | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
was no Assembly in storm to 2007,
regardless of what happens, James | 0:04:03 | 0:04:11 | |
Brokenshire needs to make sure that
resources are in the amenities and | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
that is what yet include any budget.
On the Stormont glide path, who else | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
is waiting for schools, for a start.
Politics is the art of the possible. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
The result is a way forward. To not
find a way forward is simply a lack | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
of imagination. Are you telling me
James Brokenshire has a lack of | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
imagination? There was always a
solution. There has been solutions | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
in March was times in Northern
Ireland, so I think there is a | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
solution. At the beginning he
impressed me because he was saying | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
the right things, but at the minute
I don't think he is interested, I | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
think the issues are so huge in the
UK, particularly with Brexit being a | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
bit on their agenda, but I don't
think Northern Ireland particularly | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
is a vote winner for him. Then it
was the health service. The body at | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
every step down, they were talking
about and outcomes -based | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Government, and I think that part of
it is as important as it has ever | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
been. We need outcomes, and every
cannot deliver that in Northern | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Ireland, which would be my
preference, we need it has ever | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
been. We need outcomes, and every
cannot deliver that in Northern | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Ireland, which would be my
preference, we get delivered | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
somehow. I some other route. Direct
rule? If that is what has to be. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:33 | |
Nothing hates uncertainty like
business. I came back 20 years ago | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
after being away ten years working
in the UK, and also in Australia and | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
New Zealand. I came back to what was
a very positive kind of change for | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
Northern Ireland, so it is this
trading and I would hate to think we | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
would go into next year, 2018, 20
years down the line with direct rule | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
again. It is ten years as we have
had direct rule, and again that was | 0:05:54 | 0:06:02 | |
under a Labour Party. What would
that look like under the | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
Conservatives? Rose unless there is
a deal, it looks like fasting your | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
seat belts time is not far away. If
you follow my glide path analogy, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
setting a budget is a significant
step along that glide path. In doing | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
that, I would argue that the landing
gear starts to come down on the | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
likes of the -- lights of the runway
which started become clear in the | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
hinterland ahead. Unless of course
the landing looks something like | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
this. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:43 | |
Gareth Gordon at Alphatech
in Newtownards. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
With me now to imagine
where we might be heading | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
are our regular commentators
Newton Emerson and Deirdre Heenan | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
who've been joined tonight
by the columnist Brian Feeney | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
and the lawyer Trevor Ringland,
who campaigns for reconciliation. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:58 | |
Thanks for joining us. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:58 | |
Gerry Adams has said tonight that
Sinn Fein wants a deal to restore | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
devolution at Stormont? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Do you think he'll be relaxed,
though, if that doesn't happen? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
I don't think he will be relaxed,
Sinn Fein certainly do what a deal. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:16 | |
But one of the things that we need
to consider is they are part of a | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
national all Ireland party. There is
enormous rivalry between the parties | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
in the Republic. One of the things
Adams was saying in his speech | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
tonight was appealing to...
Taoiseach to get involved, and not | 0:07:29 | 0:07:36 | |
to be competing in southern politics
with Fianna Fail. Adams and Sinn | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
Fein would like a deal. It would
obviously be won on their terms. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
You've been writing for months,
though, that the Sinn Fein | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
grassroots is falling out of love
with sharing power with the DUP. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
They fell out of love. The crucial
meeting was on the 7th of January | 0:07:54 | 0:08:00 | |
this year, there was a meeting in
west Belfast where all the senior | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
figures in the republican movement
where present. They were all | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
reporting what had happened over
Christmas, the complaints they had | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
gotten from supporters, and the
recurrent theme was, what are you | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
doing up there as storm at? They had
got nothing in ten years. Finally, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:23 | |
at a private meeting, after the
press excluded, one of the people | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
shouted up, and bring the
institutions down now legs and there | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
was a huge cheer. The strong feeling
was that being a bad storm and had | 0:08:30 | 0:08:38 | |
met years of frustration, because
the DUP had blocked all change and | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
had reneged on a series of promises
that they had given in 2006. Read is | 0:08:41 | 0:08:50 | |
that Levi's? In a situation where I
think people are disillusioned with | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
the Government we had even before
the 7th of January last year. They | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
have become even more disillusioned
with the opportunity for Government | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
we might have in the future. It put
a challenge out of the politicians | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
to actually try and get a Government
re-established and if they do | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
re-establish it, it is axing one
that delivers for all the people, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
and it is their sense of the
politicians acting in their own | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
partyed self-interest rather than
looking at the wider interests of | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
the people, changing that sense of
what we do a sort of community basis | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
to one of separate amenities to one
of a weird that includes all | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
committees. It would be a travesty
if after we had been through as a | 0:09:34 | 0:09:41 | |
society that one side would turn
their back on essentially | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
power-sharing. And that we are
driven by the politics that keeps | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
the club in west Belfast happy. We
all have to give quite a bit and we | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
should not waste menace goodwill. It
has been given to our politics to | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
move this forward. Others clearly
think it has collapsed. It is a | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
shame that that has happened.
Politicians are not doing what they | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
were elected to do. The reality is
that Sinn Fein and the DUP a | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
thumping -- it thumping great votes
twice this year and are doing what | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
the people who voted for them to do.
To sum up, ever to be small number | 0:10:14 | 0:10:21 | |
of people are involved in a long
wall, and the vast majority are | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
involved in a long piece. There is a
polarised politics for a people who | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
are not polarised and are actually
coming together out on the streets, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
and the challenge of the future is
the people are going people around | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
the politics or the politicians go
to the polarised the people. We have | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
arrived at this position by
political manipulation of the | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
designation of first ministers. It
created this, if you do not vote for | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
us, you will get them, which created
a battle between the two large | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
parties. This has been orchestrated
with the help of the Government, and | 0:10:56 | 0:11:02 | |
we are in a scenario where as on the
original agreement, departed the not | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
delivering, they would be kicked out
on a large party would become the | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
small party in the designations, to
a situation now where we do not have | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
that same democratic ability to kick
those parties out. You are shaking | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
your head. It flies in the face of
the facts. The people are polarised. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:30 | |
Who do you think those for the
parties? As Mark said, there are two | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
elections this year, the second one
more voters came out to reinforce | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
what they had done in the Assembly
elections. Sinn Fein got a higher | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
percentage share of the vote in the
June election than they got in the | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
March election. RB now getting what
we voted for? Are we as voters and | 0:11:46 | 0:11:53 | |
citizens being let down by our
politicians? Revolution hair has | 0:11:53 | 0:12:01 | |
never been plain sailing, and I
think we should recognise that. -- | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
devolution. We have stumbled from
one crisis to another, Luke Garrett | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
head lies about the best, we have
never had a stable Government, a | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
Government that is looking at the
bread-and-butter policies of health | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and education. Your package was very
interesting because in the past four | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
weeks we have had a notable increase
in stories about health waiting | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
lists. People are concerned about
the services and impact. They are | 0:12:26 | 0:12:34 | |
not concerned enough to the
politicians get back into the | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
executive room. We know about these
problems. But the pressure has not | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
built up to the point where
politicians feel they need to shift | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
in their positions. Grigg I agree
anyone sense, but today the older | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
person's As many as are of the
opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
"no"., Grigg there was very little
support from what is going on in | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Northern Ireland that the minute.
Due to concerns about cuts to health | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
care. Putting whereon social care
there is huge frustration on the | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
ground, it may be difficult to find
a voice for that and it falls on | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
deaf ears which is also very
important. Memories here are very | 0:13:07 | 0:13:14 | |
short. Any March election, the
biggest game by far was by Alliance, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
presumed to be mostly from knobbly
nonvoting unionists. If you remember | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
back to that election, it was all
about RHI and it was a groundswell | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
of public opinion and vote against
what was seen as the fault of the | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
scheme. It is only when they came
within a whisker of each other in | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
the election that unionist became
spooked back into the mainstream, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
and that is what has happened with
the Sinn Fein throwing the dice as | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
well. Both those parties now need to
roll back from that other they have | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
a base that they have wound up I
need to wind down. But they are | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
clearly trying to do a deal. When?
Glove 2-party contest sees coming up | 0:13:53 | 0:14:00 | |
to November, they have to get to
that. I think that takes the | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
pressure off them. I was still a
spending to do a deal after that. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Storm and will probably come back in
stages, for Sinn Fein they need | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
proof that a deal will be
implemented. They are saying again | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
about implementation, that is what
is key. They will have to agree and | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
act and having drafted and passed,
put the SNP are before they can get | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
the executive back. That will pacify
the concerns of their base. People | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
are exasperated and that is why they
are calling for direct rule and | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
saying, let's is go to direct rule,
but we have to remember, giving the | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
expense of the past, direct rule is
a temporary operation. We don't know | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
what kind it will be. We will never
get transformation under direct | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
rule. There will come from
Staffordshire and say, let's review | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
the national health service. -- no
one will come. What we as leaders | 0:14:52 | 0:14:59 | |
and what is a sticking plaster
solution. If we go to the local | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
Assembly, we wanted to deliver and
be what some clarification on what | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
it can deliver. No they don't.
People know what the issues are and | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
they are at the present moment a
culture war. Until that is resolved | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
between Sinn Fein and the DUP, there
will not be a return to the | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
executive. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:21 | |
They will need dates and
implementation. Once they have that | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
they will be prepared to go back.
Those other issues. The fact | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
they will be prepared to go back.
Those other issues. The fact is the | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
waiting lists for the NHS did start
in March. That has been a problem | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
for years, the same with education.
The issues that have to be resolved | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
are between the representatives of
the two communities. It is just the | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
same... They do not represent me and
they do not represent an increasing | 0:15:55 | 0:16:02 | |
amount of people in the community.
There is the political world and the | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
rest of the world. We live in a
beautiful place, the people are | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
great. Last summer, we had the kids
from across the interface is playing | 0:16:09 | 0:16:21 | |
together in sport. North, South,
East and West Belfast coming | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
together. Their parents supporting
them. We need constructive | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
leadership coming from the political
world. Their steel piano Ulster | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
Unionist Party election, people said
no thanks, we will vote for Sinn | 0:16:36 | 0:16:43 | |
Fein and the DUP. A failure of the
middle ground to create a coming | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
together which creates an option.
They failed in that and they need to | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
recognise that but they were also
undermined by the government. I can | 0:16:54 | 0:17:01 | |
assure you, the day the prisoners
were released without | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
decommissioning was when things were
undermined. You cannot put the clock | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
back. We have to deal with where we
are now and our society is better | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
than it was in the past and we have
to instead of talking about problems | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
get solutions. But who will be
running things? When we moved to | 0:17:19 | 0:17:26 | |
joint first ministers. There are
certain things you could do which | 0:17:26 | 0:17:33 | |
make some fundamental changes and
then once you do that then have an | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
election, give it back to the people
and do it democratically. As things | 0:17:37 | 0:17:44 | |
are it is undemocratic. I wonder if
people have an appetite for yet | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
another election. We will come back
and talk later in the programme. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
We'll hear more from you later. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
But, of course, Brexit is the other
big story of the week. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Writing in the Belfast Telegraph
yesterday, the DUP MP Ian Paisley | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
added his voice to those urging
the Republic of Ireland to consider | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
exiting the EU along with the UK. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
He joins me from London
and in our Dublin studio | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
is the Fianna Fail spokesman
on Foreign Affairs, Darragh O'Bryan. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
Ian Paisley, as the negotiations
stutter on, the prospect of a hard | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Brexit seems to be gaining momentum. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
Are you relaxed at that possibility? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:26 | |
You can characterise it as hard,
soft or whatever. The fact of the | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
matter the United Kingdom of great
Britain and Northern Ireland are | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
leaving the EU. What is in my
interests and interests of the | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
people of Northern Ireland and the
UK is that we get the best deal | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
possible. Your party... If it is
hard Brexit on the table, will you | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
vote for? The vote was cast over a
year ago. The bottom line is we are | 0:18:48 | 0:18:54 | |
leaving the EU and we want to make
sure we get the best deal for the UK | 0:18:54 | 0:19:01 | |
and Northern Ireland and also make
sure that our neighbour to the | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
south, the Republic of Ireland, is
well served. We don't want to see | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
them punished but it would be
beneficial for all of us, given so | 0:19:07 | 0:19:20 | |
much of the Republic of Ireland
traders reliant on non-EU 26 nation, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:29 | |
they could take their option we are
doing, leaving the EU, they don't | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
want to do that clearly, and the
other option is that the could and | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
should seek is that they have a
special relationship with the EU, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
and become the linchpin in the
relationship between the 226 and the | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
UK whenever we leave. -- the EU 26.
That would facilitate the Republic | 0:19:45 | 0:19:53 | |
of Island not only staying where
they are in relation to the trade | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
with the UK but also... A report
came out today from the EU which | 0:19:56 | 0:20:05 | |
said clearly that the Republic of
Ireland don't have that type of | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
religion shipped and they will lose
9% of their trading based, around | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
3.4% of their GDP. That is huge.
Instead of shouting at the border | 0:20:13 | 0:20:20 | |
and sing the border is the problem,
let's get on with actually making | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
sure that they benefit from us
leaving the EU also. You have set | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
out yourself very well and also in
the Belfast Telegraph yesterday. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
Let's hear from Fianna Fail. Does
that appeal to you? No. We are not | 0:20:32 | 0:20:41 | |
leaving the EU. We know there is no
question of that happening. 86% of | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
our trade is done with the EU 27 and
we are on that side of the table. We | 0:20:44 | 0:20:52 | |
want to see a good arrangement and a
deal done between the EU and the UK | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
that is beneficial to both but the
reality is that the people of | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
Northern Ireland voted to remain, so
Northern Ireland is being dragged | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
out of EU by the rest of Britain and
that in itself is against the will | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
of most of the people of Northern
Ireland. Our future and the Republic | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
of Ireland's future is with the
European Union and it has been a | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
positive thing for the Republic of
Ireland and Northern Ireland as well | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
and I think any idea of us leaving
the European Union is a nonstarter. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:32 | |
Any talk of us being a linchpin
between a new relationship between | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
the EU and the UK, I don't see that
either. We have a special | 0:21:35 | 0:21:41 | |
relationship with the North which is
Carter fastened by the Good Friday | 0:21:41 | 0:21:55 | |
Agreement. Our future is with
Europe. We need to see the | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
Westminster government getting their
act together and figuring out what | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
they actually want. We are coming to
a crucial phase of negotiations now | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
to see whether the EU will agree
with the UK that we can go to the | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
next phase of future relations and
this brave new world that Ian | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
Paisley talks about, let's look at
trade, how will Britain replace some | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
of the trade lost by leaving the EU?
I hope cooler heads will prevail. I | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
hope the people can see that even
the customs union is an option for | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
Britain to remain within that. I
think the people who want to leave, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
and Ian Paisley is one of them, have
made it clear that is not an option. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
The point has been made that you
have leverage with the British | 0:22:41 | 0:22:50 | |
government in the DUP. Can you
switch here is that all of the | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
traffic from negotiation and
compromise isn't going to be coming | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
from his side of the border? I think
this is important from the point of | 0:22:58 | 0:23:08 | |
view of trading with UK companies...
It is important that we get a good | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
relation. A much smaller scale than
you mentioned in the Belfast | 0:23:14 | 0:23:21 | |
Telegraph. You said 60%, it is
nothing like that. Let me make this | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
point first. Michel Barnier is the
plenipotentiary for the remaining EU | 0:23:25 | 0:23:35 | |
26. He has to make sure that he gets
a very good deal and at least leaves | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
the Republic of Ireland in the same
standing and status that they | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
currently have. Under the
arrangements at the present time | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
this has not come to be the case and
Michel Barnier whether he feels the | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
UK or not he will end up failing the
Republic of Ireland. 60% of the | 0:23:53 | 0:24:01 | |
Republic's goods and services traded
with the UK, you said. John | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
Fitzgerald, one of Ireland's must
respected economists said that as | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
fake news. 15% in 2016 of the
Republic's exports went to the UK | 0:24:12 | 0:24:19 | |
and 11% came from the UK, imports.
The fact is that 75% of the Republic | 0:24:19 | 0:24:32 | |
of Ireland's goods and services are
traded with countries out with EU | 0:24:32 | 0:24:40 | |
26, mainly the United States and the
United Kingdom. That is not at all | 0:24:40 | 0:24:47 | |
in line with what was said a minute
ago. This is the evidence. The | 0:24:47 | 0:24:59 | |
Republic sends 61% by virtue of its
goods and exports and 66% of its | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
services exports to countries
outside... Who said it? This | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
evidence has been presented...
Hubei? You're quoting something and | 0:25:09 | 0:25:18 | |
not sourcing it. Trinity University.
The British market is important for | 0:25:18 | 0:25:32 | |
Ireland. The Irish market is
important for Britain. Britain is a | 0:25:32 | 0:25:40 | |
significant market. No one disputes
the fact it is important. But it is | 0:25:40 | 0:25:54 | |
not important enough for the
Republic to follow the UK leaving | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
the EU. I understand this. Further
Republic of Ireland, being in the EU | 0:25:59 | 0:26:10 | |
has been a blessing but from 2014
you have become a net contributor to | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
the EU. That means that all of the
bonanza days are over. That is why | 0:26:15 | 0:26:22 | |
you need to adjust your position.
You are continually misrepresenting | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
the facts. The reality is the
European Union is not just an | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
economic union as well. It is what
it has managed to do after two | 0:26:31 | 0:26:40 | |
Savage Robert Waters, kept peace in
our continent. It has underwritten | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
the peace in our island as well.
Irishman and Irish women and British | 0:26:43 | 0:26:53 | |
men and British women have done
that. The problem is this. Ian's | 0:26:53 | 0:27:01 | |
facts and figures are wrong. Nobody
is suggesting we want a bad deal for | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
anyone. I have spoken with Michel
Barnier and others and Ireland is | 0:27:04 | 0:27:12 | |
central to this. The government in
the Republic of Ireland and the | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
parliament and the Republic of
Ireland is representing the people's | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
views, unlike Ian Paisley and his
colleagues in the Assembly where | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
there is no executive. The voice of
the Irish people is not being heard. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
Anita Askey about the talks process.
One sentence each. Your colleague | 0:27:29 | 0:27:37 | |
some treated that it looks like Sinn
Fein has opted for direct rule thus | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
depriving the people of Northern
Ireland devolved government. I | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
listen to the commentary by your
commentators and I despair. Everyone | 0:27:45 | 0:27:54 | |
wants to see Northern Ireland men
and women running the affairs of | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Northern Ireland but it does appear
that Sinn Fein are not up to doing a | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
deal that is realistic with the DUP.
That is not what Gerry Adams said | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
tonight. So no deal. You don't think
a rabbit can be pulled out a bat in | 0:28:05 | 0:28:12 | |
the next 48 or 72 hours. I don't
even know if there is a hat. What | 0:28:12 | 0:28:21 | |
should be the role of the Irish
government in whatever comes next? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
If it happens it would be a crying
shame and a disgrace because of Sinn | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
Fein and the DUP have large mandates
and they have a responsibility to | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
the people in the north to do a deal
and the people in the north, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
frankly... I lick on bewildered. If
you are elected then you are there | 0:28:37 | 0:28:45 | |
to govern and tried to pass laws and
mandate country for the betterment | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
of the people. They have abdicated
that responsibility. Direct rule | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
will not be a good thing for the
North of Ireland. It is not | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
something that Fianna Fail want to
see and I hope that both parties | 0:29:00 | 0:29:07 | |
will re-engage in a serious way to
ensure the executive and assembly is | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
re-established. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:22 | |
Ian Paisley, just before
I let you go, we know | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
you referred yourself
to the Parliamentary Commissioner | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
for Standards in Westminster
in connection with a claim that | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
you and your family made
two trips to Sri Lanka | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
without properly declaring them. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:34 | |
This is the first opportunity we've
had to speak to you about the issue. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Have you been interviewed
by the Commissioner as yet? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
The inquiry is underway and that is
all I will tell you and all I can | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
say. You won't confirm whether you
have spoken to the omission? It is | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
in their hands and I... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:46 | |
Are you maintaining your position
that these allegations | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
are "devoid of fact or logic"? | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
The issue is in front of the
Commissioner and I will give them | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
their space to do their job, not the
BBC to do their job for them. | 0:29:54 | 0:30:00 | |
Thanks to you both. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
Back to my studio guests. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
What do you make about the issue,
the agreement to disagree on just | 0:30:04 | 0:30:11 | |
about everything as far as Brexit is
concerned? Years outside his party's | 0:30:11 | 0:30:20 | |
leadership circle. He is having a
bit of a wind-up. He has revealed | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
what should be his party's policy on
Brexit which is not that the | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
Republic between the EU and the UK.
The trade flows would be | 0:30:29 | 0:30:37 | |
extraordinary and we could have
enormous benefits, but he is not | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
thinking in those terms. He is not
thinking seriously about this at all | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
but he is trying to keep the South
off-balance. There was also little | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
hint of menace, I think. Saying we
can do a lot of damage in the UK to | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
Ireland as well. He should note that
is not a signal coming from anyone | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
else in the UK at all. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:06 | |
To you are source of his evidence
and he said Trinity University. That | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
is not a source. How can that be a
source? Who publish this information | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
and where was it published? Who
verified it? It is important. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
Presumably we will find out. Anti-EU
rhetoric was not challenge, not | 0:31:19 | 0:31:26 | |
robustly, and lies became fact and
fake news. We have to challenge the | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
rhetoric. I think he is simply
mischiefmaking, talk of the Republic | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
of Ireland are leaving the view is
nonsense. He knows that. The EU has | 0:31:34 | 0:31:41 | |
been beneficial to the Republic of
Ireland, much of the non-EU | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
investment is because of unfettered
access to markets so I think he was | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
quite clearly dismissed and he is
trying to make mischief. He speaks | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
for a lot of people. That is the
problem. The Belinda 's big fight a | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
lot of people. Last Assembly
election and last whispered that | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
election. Ian Paisley does not speak
for them. He is not part of the | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
negotiations. Not between the
Conservatives and the DUP. He is out | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
of the leadership circle. He may be
slightly out of step with the | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
leadership, but the broad thrust of
what he says I would have thought he | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
is in line with that. There is no
one else in the DUP saying we should | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
leave Europe. -- the Republic of
Ireland should leave Europe. It is | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
not the kind of stuff Ian Paisley is
coming out with. He looks through | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
the wrong end of the telescope.
Don't think he is the only person in | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
a DUP to raise it. He is not the
only one politically to have said | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
it. Ray Bassett in the south also
was made the case for it. We are | 0:32:43 | 0:32:52 | |
trying to deal with a difficult
situation, and I think there is an | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
element of winding up, I think maybe
we should look at a slightly | 0:32:55 | 0:33:03 | |
different way, we're not leaving the
U. We are going to change the | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
relationship with the EU and there
is £242 billion worth of trade | 0:33:06 | 0:33:12 | |
between the UK and the EU. That is
not be sniffed at and it has be | 0:33:12 | 0:33:19 | |
carefully managed so it continues. I
think also those of us who share | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
there is Ireland... The British
Government doesn't know how we're | 0:33:22 | 0:33:31 | |
going to do it. I don't think
anybody does. The other thing is | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
that we have to make sure that we
all do well, and we may have voted | 0:33:35 | 0:33:43 | |
to Remain in the EU, but we did not
vote to leave the United Kingdom. He | 0:33:43 | 0:33:49 | |
should watch is language. Green a
final word. Ian Paisleyed interest, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:56 | |
or the question is, by and the
Government said on 50 reports? By do | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
they not publish the evidence and C
what it says. We have covered a lot | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
of ground, but I don't know if we
have answered any of the questions. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Thank you for your company. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
That's it from The View
for this week. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Join me for Sunday Politics
at 11.35 here on BBC One. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
For now, though, today's real
paw-litical battle was on the green | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
lawn outside the Houses
of Parliament and not | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
the green benches inside,
in a bid to be crowned top | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
dog at Westminster. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:28 | |
Com is no competition in deciding
who The View's top dog is. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:42 | |
I feel like I have won the Miss
world something. -- Miss world or | 0:35:06 | 0:35:14 | |
something. Good girl, come and get
the treat. Do not what a biscuit? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:27 |