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Tonight on The Wales Report, is enough being done to increase | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
With Brexit on the horizon, what next for the party in Wales? | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
We speak to Welsh leader Neil Hamilton. | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
And the power shift back from Brussels. | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Now that the UK is leaving the European Union, what happens when | :00:18. | :00:31. | |
these powers are returned? What does it mean for Wales and is there a | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
risk that we've bitten off more than we can chew? | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
Good evening and welcome to the Wales Report. | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
You can join us too on social media tonight - #thewalesreport. | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
A secure affordable home is an essential part of life. | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
And it seems that providing that here in Wales is proving to be | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
While it's predicted that around T2,700 new affordable homes will be | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Experts say that is just about half the number | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
In a moment, I'll be talking to the Welsh Government minister | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
But first, a look at the range of issues he's facing. | :01:05. | :01:26. | |
Housing in Wales has changed dramatically in the last few | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
decades. Council housing is virtually a thing of the past. And | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
the rental sector is now provided mainly by housing associations and | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
private landlords. And pressure on the rented sector is increasing | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
because more and more people are struggling to buy their own homes. A | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
216 increase over the last 20 years, which has not been reflected in | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
wages, means that affordable housing has become increasingly less | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
affordable for people in Wales. The knock-on effects on that in the | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
long-term will be one of increasing instability in the market. It will | :02:09. | :02:17. | |
be a fact that people are less likely to invest in their own homes. | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
If you do not own it, you are less likely to spend money back will have | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
impact on the quality of stock. And just as in the rented sector, there | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
has been massive change in the way we build new houses. In 1955, old | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
with a 70% of all new homes were built by the public sector. Now 80% | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
are built by the private sector. Developers have expressed concern | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
that the Welsh Government have made it unviable to build in some parts | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
of Wales through their regulations and extra red tape. Wherever the | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
truth lies, leading figures are stressing they are growing concern. | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
The problem and have is a simple supply and demand. The demand for | :03:01. | :03:09. | |
housing is increasing and the suppliers of keeping up. You have a | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
supply and demand equation that is going to get out of step and what | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
that then does is create pressure on prices. Whether that is in the | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
rented or buying sector, that forces pricing upwards. Which takes it | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
further out of the reach of people who are looking to access the | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
housing market. And there is one further phenomena which is only | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
going to increase pressure on Wales' housing stock. We are all living | :03:34. | :03:41. | |
longer. People are desperately keen to downsize from a family home to a | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
smaller property but inevitably, the smaller properties that are around | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
I'm not really designed for people in old arrays. We need to be | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
thinking quite cleverly about the kind of properties we are creating | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
for people that want to downsize and that creates a family property that | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
is available for people to move at the value chain. It is that value | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
chain of first-time buyers, families then looking to buy their second | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
home, third home, and if those family homes are not being freed | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
because there are not adequate properties for the elderly to think | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
about moving into, effectively the whole chain of properties gets | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
blocked. Housing is a convex issue driven by external market forces as | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
well as government policy. There may be much disagreement about the way | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
forward but most people agree this is one of the most pressing issues | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
on the government 's agenda. It is one of their top issues. My concern | :04:43. | :04:53. | |
is when the was given to the housing, they tended to build | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
affordable housing and not housing overall. We will not be able to meet | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
the Welsh Government target of 20,000 new affordable homes | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
developed over the next five years. Earlier I spoke to the Welsh | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
Government secretary Does he recognise that | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
there is a shortage The Welsh Government in the | :05:16. | :05:30. | |
manifesto commitment in launching 20,000 new units, a massive | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
commitment from this government because we recognise there are | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
pressures in the system. And that is your target for the next assembly | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
term, double your previous target. Are you convinced you will deliver | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
on that? The Welsh Government don't build homes. But it does enable | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
other people to do so and our partners deliver last time for us. | :05:50. | :06:01. | |
We were working with the builders and Welsh local government | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
Association and I am convinced that we can do this. You need partners. | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
What about some of those big builders who are saying that you're | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
just introducing too much red tape. They do not like the legislation. I | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
am saying there is an opportunity for all to build in Wales. I am | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
saying that SMEs are confident they can help us develop this as well. | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
Builders race this issue with me on many occasions. What seems to be | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
negotiable is the profits that national builders mate. I am saying | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
what we have to do is if we all believe there is pressure in the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
housing system, we all have to come to the table and give a little bit | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
as well. You say you will enable people to build 20,000 affordable | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
homes during disassembly gym, and you commissioned research that | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
suggested you needed 12,000 new homes every year in Wales. That is | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
nowhere near your target. -- this assembly term. The figures enabled | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
in that report are the figures we recognise. We are not saying that | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
20,000 homes are the only homes that will be built in Wales. We are | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
expecting the market to come to the table as well. We recognise that. | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
What's your target overall? The market will lead and the market | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
control most of that force as well. When they build homes, they control | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
when they build, where they go, and how they build that too. I have | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
meetings with the National house-builders and SMEs on a regular | :07:45. | :07:45. | |
basis. I listen to programmes, your | :07:46. | :08:02. | |
programme saying there are pressure points but we need homes across the | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
whole of Wales, not just on the 55 corridor. All in the Cardiff City | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
region. You could be pretty radical and follow your leader in | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
Westminster, Jeremy Corbyn, suggesting building Council homes | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
again. Why not go back to that? We are and I am glad that you have | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
raised the issue. It is a very ambitious policy. You go to... You | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
are more than welcome to come with me to French or Cardiff well we have | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
already started. There are Council homes being built -- French chef. -- | :08:35. | :08:44. | |
Flintshire. What are the targets for new council bills? We don't have any | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
talismans. The issue of years but the mixing homes that we are healed | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
to the 20,000 from Help To Buy because all the problems it is | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
renting and then to own, terrestrial problems as we are going to do, | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
council poverty Bill Condon is a mixture of things that we are able | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
to do year to deliver on the 20,000. Shelter released David target | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
recently saying that Wales has the second was poorest housing in the UK | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
outside London. You can be proud of that at 16, 17 years. Indeed. The | :09:17. | :09:26. | |
stock and housing supplies amenities seminar troubles. Here in Wales and | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
we are making investments in our programme. That is something I would | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
be a the homes schemes, how we built another create new properties from | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
the appeals programmes, how would we built another create new properties | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
from the appeals programmes, hardly a group of disrupted their steam and | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
the Alves scheme which is very stressful. And long-term agenda is I | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
don't have a finance as soon to a deliver on some of these long-term | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
proposals here now. They through austerity control by the UK | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
Government. Our budget has shrunk by billions of pounds and therefore we | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
have to cut our cloth accordingly but what is important is one of our | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
main key priorities is good in the 20,000 units for people of Wales and | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
mask when ambitious but I'm sure we can do it that with our partners. | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
Resignations, in-fighting, physical at times, and a second | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
Ukip are a party at each other's throats. | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
Wales is no different - Ukip are down an AM in the Assembly | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
after a clash between Neil Hamilton and the former leader of the party | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
The situation is so bad, one of the leadership candidates, | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
MEP Paul Nutall, says the fighting in Wales must stop if the party | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
Before we hear from the party's leader in Wales Neil Hamilton, | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
here's a quick re-cap of Ukip's turbulent year. | :10:41. | :10:56. | |
Not long ago, it looked like tiny 16 was going to be Ukip Cor. In Mays | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
assembly election, you can change the face of world politics and 17 | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
seats in the Senedd. But then things started to unravel. Claims the party | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
was riddled with factions and personal animosity. First there was | :11:15. | :11:22. | |
Neil Hamilton versus Nathan Deal. Days after taking to their biggest | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
electoral success in Wales, Nathan Gill was beaten by Neil Hamilton in | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
the vote for the leadership of the assembly group. In August, he left | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
the group to sit as an independent, citing infighting. Neil Hamilton | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
seemed pleased. Given that he's a part-time Assembly Member and we | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
don't see much of him, in practical terms, it is not going to make a | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
great difference. So seven became six in the assembly. But at least | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
they had a leader. Essentially, Diane James was elected to succeed | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
Nigel Farage. She left after 18 days in the job. The infighting turned | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
physical. So another week, another leadership contest, and the turmoil | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
of Ukip continues to delight the satirists. | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
So what exactly is the party for now? | :12:15. | :12:15. | |
Joining me is Neil Hamilton, the leader of Ukip in Wales. | :12:16. | :12:24. | |
Are you ashamed and embarrassed by the state of your party? Not at all. | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
Ukip is a vibrant, red-blooded party. It's no secret that there are | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
big personalities who've fallen out with each other, but that's no | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
different to any other party. And it is about personality rather than | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
political policy? This is about grown men in suits bickering? It's | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
not bickering. There is a leadership contest going on at the moment and | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
we have four or five candidates. If that is bickering, that is | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
democracy. Let's look at the state of the party in Wales. The former | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
leader, Nathan Gill - when did you last speak to him? Not for some | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
time. That's not important. He decided to leave our group. It's all | :13:15. | :13:26. | |
a bit childish. It is. You don't get on with Nathan Gill? I got on with | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
him well, but he couldn't cope with the fact that the majority of the | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
group preferred to have me as leader rather than him. He didn't like the | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
result of a democratic ballot. He was elected as a Ukip AM, and I | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
would like him to be back as a Ukip AM, but on the basis that he is a | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
full-time member of this place. If he gave up Brussels, you would | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
welcome him back, but while he remains there, he's out? It is a | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
decision for the group, not just me. You asked me about my personal | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
preference. I want Ukip here to be as big as possible. Everyone who is | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
in it has to be a team player. You can't have a tantrum when you don't | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
get what you want. Are you a team player? Very much so. You an backing | :14:14. | :14:21. | |
Paul Nuttall for the leadership. He has said the situation in Wales is | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
untenable and needs to be sorted out. He has said that you and Mr | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
Gill need to kiss and make up. Will that happen? That is rather a | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
gruesome picture! Nevertheless, I know what you mean. I have said that | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
if Nathan is prepared to be a team player, we will consider allowing | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
him back in the group. But if he will not accept the democratic | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
decisions of the group, I cannot see how he can be a member of the team. | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
Tell us about the ideological differences that are ripping Ukip | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
apart? We know the personalities. You don't get on with Nigel Farage | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
or Nathan Gill. But just explain to us why Ukip is divided in terms of | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
its future direction? I don't think it is divided on policy issues at | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
all. We are determined that Britain should leave the European Union, and | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
we want a free trade deal to follow. In terms of domestic policy, we have | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
a whole range of policy positions, which are radically different to any | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
of the other major parties. The big problem is that you had a dream, to | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
leave the EU. That is going to happen. Since that dream has now | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
gone, and been delivered, you have imploded, and you have no purpose. | :15:48. | :15:55. | |
Ukip has not imploded. We have had some spectacular fallings out, and | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
that's with a small number of people at the top of the party, some of | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
whom have now left. Nathan Gill has resigned from the group at the | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
Senedd here in Cardiff. These individuals are not representative | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
of the National party. Nathan Gill was one out of seven people elected | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
in assembly here. The rest of us are getting on with our day job. What | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
are you delivering for the people of Wales, who put you hear? What | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
difference are you making? You said you would shake this place up. What | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
have you done in terms of policy? After vilifying us for many years, | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
because we have been sceptics about the craze for man-made global | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
warming, today the Welsh government has slashed its government for | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
climate change capital projects by a third. This is something we have | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
been laughed at about, for saying that it is a waste of money and is | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
increasing poverty amongst the most vulnerable people in Wales, because | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
it is all financed out of the green taxes, which people cannot afford to | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
pay if they are low income. What difference are you making? We are | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
the only party who wants to democratise the NHS. If we become | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
the government of Wales, that is the model we shall introduce. Sadly, | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
there isn't an election for another four and a half years. Many people | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
in Wales turned to you because you offered something different. You | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
promised to shake things up, that you would not be establishment | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
politicians, that you would play by different rules. But for out of six | :17:37. | :17:43. | |
of you employ family members - does that send out a message that you are | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
different? Of course, there is nothing wrong with that. If you look | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
at the position in other parties, lots of them do as well. In the case | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
of family members, it is the assembly responsible for | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
appointments, not the AMs. They have to go through a process carried out | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
by the HR department of the assembly. I played no part in the | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
appointment of my wife as my PA and diary secretary. She does have 26 | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
years of experience in the House of Commons to fall back on, and works | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
24/7, because it is part of our pillow talk as well. What about the | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
fact that you do not live in Wales. Have you got plans to move here? I | :18:29. | :18:36. | |
live in Cardiff for four days a week, because this is where the | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
assembly is based. It meets for 35 weeks a year. I represent 75% of the | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
Welsh landmass, all the way from Carmarthen to Pembroke, to Hay on | :18:49. | :18:55. | |
Wye. I am out in my region on other days of the week. I live in my | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
wife's house when I have some leisure moments, which happens to be | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
an hour from Cardiff. I am just thinking of perception, because your | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
main residence isn't in Wales. Is that sending the right message? I am | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
100% a member of this place, and I am delivering in terms of putting | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
Ukip on the political map of Wales. I don't think anybody will say I | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
have not made an impact on this place, and Ukip has not made an | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
impact on Wales politically. Thank you. | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
What happens when powers currently held in the European Union | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
Will some of them come straight to Wales, or will | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
Dr Rachel Minto - a newly appointed Brexit expert | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
at the Wales Governance Centre - thinks there are complications that | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
She says there are serious risks that Wales could end up losing | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
Dr Minto has paid a visit to Blaenau Gwent, the area which saw | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
the strongest leave vote in Wales, to consider the implications. | :19:58. | :20:12. | |
National sovereignty. The authority of the UK to govern itself. This was | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
one of the major issues in the EU referendum, and in places that voted | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
strongly to leave, like here in Blaenau Gwent, many people don't | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
like the idea of European institutions taking power away from | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
the UK, or even the idea of the UK having to comply with decisions | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
taken at EU level. So now that the UK is leaving the EU, what happens | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
when these powers are returned? What does it mean for Wales? Is there a | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
risk we have bitten off more then we can chew. It is important to | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
remember that the process of devolution in Wales has unfolded | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
within the context of EU membership. The first successful referendum on | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
Welsh devolution took place in 1997, two decades after the UK joined what | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
was then the European Economic Community. Some policy areas | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
devolved to Wales, like agriculture, and are heavily Europeanised. That | :21:18. | :21:25. | |
means that decisions taken in Cardiff are constrained within an EU | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
framework. When that is lifted, Wales will have greater freedom when | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
exercising its powers in these devolved areas, or when you press -- | :21:33. | :21:40. | |
if you prefer, Inc about it as powers being returned from the EU | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
back to Wales. What is the problem? There are three big issues to | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
address when thinking about the return of power to Wales. Firstly, | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
resources. It will be important to ensure there is enough scope for the | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
institutions of Wales to absorb these new policy-making | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
responsibilities. Does Wales have the expertise, civil servants and | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
funding to take it on? Secondly, policy coordination. The Wales of | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England have become increasingly | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
different. The EU framework is able to smooth over these differences. | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
When that has gone, we will need to think about new ways to coordinate | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
policy across the four nations. Thirdly, re-centralisation. When | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
considering how different the four nations' laws do become, it could be | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
that we see moves from the UK Government to try to bring powers | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
back to London. The potential for this has been strongly resisted by | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
policy in Wales, but in the face of such uncertainty, returning powers | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
to London rather than Wales could be seen by some as the safer option. In | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
uncertain times, Wales will have to defend the powers it has, or face | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
losing them. Wales will need to make sure that its institutions have the | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
resources and expertise to take on new powers. Failure to do this could | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
result in the country's ability to govern itself taking several steps | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
backwards. Dr Rachel Minto from the Wales | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
Governance Centre. I am joined now by Labour AM and format MEP Eluned | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
Morgan. What sort of powers are we talking about here when we are | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
talking about powers coming directly from Brussels to Wales? There are | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
Welsh powers, that we have absolute responsibility for. In particular, | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
agriculture, fisheries and environment. To give you some | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
examples, the extent to which our factories are allowed to pollute is | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
regulated by the European Union. That may stop, so we may potentially | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
have to put our own regulation in place. The number of fish you are | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
allowed to take out of the sea is regulated by Europe, and that will | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
change. Tagging of sheep and cattle is the European law as well. Would | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
those powers automatically come straight to Cardiff, to Edinburgh, | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
or will they go via Westminster? These are our powers. There is no | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
question about that. If the government wants to take that on as | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
a fight on top of the chaos they have already caused and is going to | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
happen as a result of Brexit, they will have a fight with the 27 | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
countries of the EU and the home nations as well. My guess is they | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
will be biting off more than they can chew if they start to say they | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
will centralise those powers as well. So we have not seen the great | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
repeal bill yet. If the powers do not come directly to Cardiff, will | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
you kick up a big stink? No question. These are our powers. We | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
have effectively pooled those powers with the EU. We may say that we do | :25:19. | :25:26. | |
need a UK system, and we may determine later that we may want to | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
pull that Southern tray at UK level, but it is our power, and we may | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
determine that we want to share that power. That is a lot of power coming | :25:37. | :25:45. | |
back to Cardiff. What about the resources, the funding and the | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
people to deal with those new powers coming in? There's a lot of issues. | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
Firstly, resources. There is a real problem. At the moment we get over | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
?400 million from Europe directly into Wales. We need that money to | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
keep coming. There is I direct subsidy that goes to our farmers. We | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
need that money to be coughed up, or we will be in serious trouble. In | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
terms of resources, the mechanisms for paying people are already in | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
Wales. They cannot do that at Westminster because they do not have | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
the capacity. This is where the capacity exists. Policy-making is | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
different, and that is an area where we may need to beef up our | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
expertise. You want these powers directly in Wales so that you can | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
vary them in the UK? I don't think we know yet. The first issue is the | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
principle that they are our powers. What we do with them then... I think | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
it will be a strange situation within the UK if we had different | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
roles across the UK, because that might stop us from trading within | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
the UK even, which would be a ridiculous system. So we will | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
probably need to decide to work together across the UK. The First | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
Minister mentioned in the Senate this week that the EU directives | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
will be repatriated. But he said, maybe we will stick to them. For all | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
the people in Wales who voted to leave, that is exactly why they | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
wanted to leave. They don't want the red tape from Brussels. If you as a | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
government decide to stick to some of the European laws because they | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
are quite handy and suit us, isn't that showing disrespect to the | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
people who wanted to leave the EU? No, because I don't think people who | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
voted to leave voted for less regulation in terms of having | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
cleaner air. That is a good law, about pollution. Most EU law is | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
good, and people are going to find that out increasingly, that actually | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
it was very helpful, especially in relation to buying and selling | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
across the EU. It is no secret that you were a big remainer. The Welsh | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
government and Carwyn Jones were very disappointed with the boat. | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
RUSI over that yet? Are you more up beat with the result? I will never | :28:33. | :28:40. | |
get over the disappointment of the vote, I don't think. But I think we | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
need to accept it. We need to accept that we are going to leave the EU. | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
What will that relationship looked like in the future? What ever the | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
relationship will be, it cannot be one that Hamas Wales economically, | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
and that is why I think we should stick with the single market. -- | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
that Hamas Wales economically. If you'd like to get in touch | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
with us, you can email us at [email protected], | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
or follow us on social media, where the discussion | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
continues, #TheWalesReport. | :29:15. | :29:16. |