20/01/2017 The Week in Parliament


20/01/2017

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Hello and Welcome to the Week In Parliament.

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Coming up, after the Prime Minister's big Brexit speech

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the Labour leader challenges Theresa May on her EU exit plan.

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Can I urge her to stop her threat of a bargain basement Brexit. I

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consider the issue, I set out my plan and I stick to it. It's called

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leadership. He should try it some time.

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With the Supreme Court due to rule on whether MPs and Peers should

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have a say in triggering our formal exit from the EU, we talk

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to a Brexiteer and a Remainer about Parliament and Brexit laws.

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And, there's no decision yet on whether to move everyone out

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of the Palace of Westminster which needs essential repairs.

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The Chairman of the Treasury Committee tells us why he's decided

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The big question is whether we need to spend ?3.5 to ?4 billion and

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pretty quickly. But first, there'd been mutterings

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in the Commons on Tuesday after Theresa May decided

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to make her big Brexit speech not in the Chamber

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but to an outside audience. So Prime Minister's Questions

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was the first chance for MPs to grille her directly

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on her 12-point plan. In her speech, Theresa May made

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clear that the UK would not stay in the single market,

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that MPs and peers would get a vote on the final exit deal and insisted

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no deal was better than a bad The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

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began with a swipe at the Prime Minister for not setting

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out her plans in Parliament. Restoring Parliamentary democracy

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whilst sidelining Parliament. Not so... Mr Speaker, it's not so much

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the Iron Lady as the irony lady. Yesterday, Mr Speaker, the Prime

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Minister finally provided some detail. Request I urge her -- can I

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urge her to stop her threat of a bargain basement Brexit. Low pay tax

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hive none Europe won't necessarily damage the EU but it will certainly

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damage this country. Businesses, jobs and public service. She demeans

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herself and her office and our country's standing by making these

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kind of threats. Well, I set out yesterday a plan for

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a global Britain, bringing prosperity to this country and jobs

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to people and spreading economic growth across the country. But

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actually yesterday, we also learnt a little more of the Right Honourable

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gentleman's thinking on this issue. What he said was the following: She

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has said that leave the single market, then at same time says she

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wants to have access to the single market. I'm not quite sure how

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that's going to go down in Europe. I think we have to have a deal that

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ensures we have access to the market.

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I've got a plan. He doesn't have a clue.

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Jeremy Corbyn said Theresa May had talked about the pressure migration

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put on public services but tens of thousands of EU citizens worked

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Instead of threatening to turn Britain into an off shore tax haven,

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let's look after those who fund our Public Services properly so that we

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do have the fully functioning NHS that we all need and deserve.

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Theresa May accepted, said there were difference

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between her approach and Jeremy Corbyn's.

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I set out my plan and stuck to it. It's called leadership. He should

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try it some time. at Westminster, Angus Robertson,

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said Theresa May's plans for leaving the European Union would lead

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to job losses in Scotland. The forecast for people's income is

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that it's likely to drop by ?2,000 and that... Mr Speaker, that 80,000

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people may lose their jobs in Scotland as a result of the hard

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Tory Brexit plan off the Prime Minister. Does the Prime Minister

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believe that this is a price worth paying for her Little Britain

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Brexit? The Right Honourable gentleman, once

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again, talks about the possibility of negative impacts on Scotland if

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Scotland were not part of the single market. His party is dedicated to

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taking Scotland out of the single market by taking it out of the

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United Kingdom. It was quite clear from the Prime Minister's speech

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yesterday that she seeks to build a Brexit consensus and to bring our

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country back together and I thank her for that. To that end and indeed

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to strengthen the Prime Minister's negotiating hand before article 50

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is triggered, would she please consider at least publishing all

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those 12 objectives in a White Paper so that we can debate them here in

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this place behalf of all our constituents?

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Well, my right honourable friend is right, I absolutely understand the

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point that she raised about Parliament's desire to be able to

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debate the objectives which I set out very clearly in the plan that I

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set out yesterday. One of the objectives, one of the principles I

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set was about certainty and clarity and it continues to be the

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Government's intention that we will provide clarity whenever it's

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possible and we will ensure that at appropriate times, both the public

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and Parliament are kept informed and are able to consider and properly

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scrutinise the issues. Theresa May and Anna Soubry

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on Parliament and Brexit. And the role of MPs and Peers

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will be in the spotlight The Supreme Court is due to rule

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on Tuesday on whether or not the Government will have to put

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a Bill through Parliament triggering Article 50,

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beginning the formal start While in the spring ministers

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are due to put forward the Great Repeal Bill incorporating

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EU laws into UK legislation. In both cases there have already

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been suggestions that peers, particularly the pro-EU Lib Dems

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could seek to put down amendments making the whole complicated process

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that bit more tricky. So to discuss what MPs and Peers

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could and should be doing I spoke to Conservative MP Sir Bill Cash

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and Lib Dem former MEP I began by asking her if Peers

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were going to cause trouble I wouldn't call it trouble if the

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Lords does its proper job of scrutinising legislation. After all

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if take back control, it meant Parliamentary sovereignty. This is

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triggering Brexit so how can you object? I think it's perfectly

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within her view of the Lord's to scrutinise very carefully what the

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Government's plans and negotiating objectives are and the Prime

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Minister spelled out 12 points, and to put them through the normal kind

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of scrutiny. If it's a Bill, legislation, then we have every

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right to pin the Government down on what exactly its plans are. Sir Bill

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cache, any article 50 Bill, let's call it that, will have to go

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through the Commons too. What do you think will happen there -- Sir Bill

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Cash? The indications are clear what the Commons will put it through. No

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doubt about that. We have had lots of indications from the Labour Party

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and other Members of Parliament on the other side of the House. I think

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it will go through the House of Commons. As to the House of Lords, I

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think it's, as you indicated at the beginning, pretty inKong ruous and

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pretty disgraceful I would say, so suggest that when you have a

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sovereign Act of Parliament that's decided on the referendum itself, an

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Act of Parliament passed by 6-1 in the House of Commons and passed by

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the House of Lords to have a referendum on simple questions you

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want to remain in or leave and then to start quibbling about the manner

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in which that would be done, subject only to the question of whether the

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Supreme Court actually makes a decision, which in itself is not -

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because we already had a vote on article 50 - is not going to alter

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the voting in the House of Commons which is the elected chamber. Let's

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assume the article 50 Bill goes through. The next thing we'll

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probably get would be the great repeal act as it's being called, due

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to come up in the Queen's speech. There are suggestions that the

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Lord's might try to block this too because this would be the

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legislation that puts all EU laws into our laws so it can be amended?

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The Lord's has traditionally objected to Henry VIII classes

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whereby the Government aboutry Kates to itself a great deal of the

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decision-making. I mean, it's going to be the most enormous exercise,

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but again, the Lords will be subjecting it to close analysis and

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not just writing blank cheques to the Government. Bill Cash, doesn't

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Sarah have a basic point here, the Government's going to have to change

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a lot of rules and regulations that will be done by ministers, secondary

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legislation - isn't that giving the Government an awful lot of power,

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isn't she right that the Lord's should scrutinise it? I drafted the

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Repeal Bill in May because I had a feeling we were going to get the

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right result and I drafted it based on five principles which were that

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we'd withdraw, repeal the European communities act, transpose the

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legislation now in Europe into UK Westminster jurisdiction so that it

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would be UK law and that we would effectively deal with the treaties

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at the same time. Now, the bottom line is, that will be redrafted, I'm

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sure, by Parliamentary council, so the question of the scope of the

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Bill is something which also applies to the article 50 Bill. I think it

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will be drafted too tightly because the principle has been established

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by the outcome of the referendum which is terribly simple which is,

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do you want to remain in or do you want to leave. Sarah, you've

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obviously got reservations, you have got things about this you want to

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change but many watching will say look, the majority of the British

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public voted for Brexit and with the best will in the world, nobody voted

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for you? That is absolutely right. We are very conscious of the

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conventions and the constraints on the role of the Lord's and of

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course, the main constitutional role is for the House of Commons which is

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why we are saying, the ultimate sovereignty lies with the people.

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They must decide whether they accept the outcome of these negotiations or

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whether they want to choose to remain in the EU. The answer is

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implicit in what Sarah's just said. The answer lies in the decision of

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the referendum, do you want to remain in or to leave. That was the

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sovereign decision of the people, that's what we stick to as the

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direction, as the remainers themselves have accepted, let alone

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respected, that this is the outcome and that has to be implemented, it

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will be implemented and it's been agreed there will be a final vote in

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the House of Commons and in the House of Lords on the outcome of the

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treaty. The bottom line is that therefore the discussions that take

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place which she's asking for will take place, but at the same time,

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the outcome of that will be put to a vote in Parliament and so you get

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both. You get the sovereign decision of the people in the referendum

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which has taken place and the vote of Parliament at the end. I don't

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think any reasonable democratic person could argue otherwise but

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then, if I may say with respect, Sarah, as you were just asked, you

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are not exactly in the best position, you got 110 appointed

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peers in the House of Lords following your line. You have over

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more, double that. And keep appointing many more, your party.

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With which is the problem. The real... No, you have to let Bill

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Cash finish. The will of the people, as expressed in the referendum

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itself demonstrates point one and point two, that that referendum

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itself, a sovereign act was passed by 6-1 of the House of Commons who

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are elected. That is the bottom line and I don't think it's up to the

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House of Lords or indeed for that small part of the unelected body

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which represents the Liberal Democrats to stand in the way of the

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will of the British people. We can talk about this a lot longer

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but we're out of time. Sarah Ludford and back -- Bill Cash, thank you.

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Now, let's take a look at some more news from around

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A bill which aims to speed up house building in England

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with neighbourhood plans received a mixed welcome in

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Many peers liked the idea of consultation with local

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people about how best to develop their area.

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But others warned of a top down system.

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The minister said home ownership was becoming harder.

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Millions of young people live with their parents until in their 30s or

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struggling to save for a deposit while they rent. Too many cannot

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afford a roof over their head at all. This is a profound social

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failure. In spite of the general consensus about the urgent need for

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new homes, there is always that tendency within every group, even

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MPs in the debates, to say yes but. We must make an exception for this

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valley, this village, etc. I do hope we don't have an outbreak of yes but

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and I hope that every amendment will be looked at in terms of Will this

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reduce or increase the number of homes available to the younger

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today. The Northern Ireland Secretary James

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Brokenshire says he hopes campaigning for Assembly elections

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does not "exacerbate Northern Ireland is going

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to the polls on March the second following the collapse

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of the Executive in Belfast. The Deputy First Minister

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Martin McGuinness resigned - in protest at the handling

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of a renewable energy scheme. His decision meant

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the First Minister - the Democratic Unionists Arlene

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Foster - was also out of a job - bringing the Northern Ireland

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Executive to a halt. This election is about the future of

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Northern Ireland and its political institutions. Not just the assembly

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but all the arrangements that have been put in place to reflect

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relationships through these islands. That is why it will be vital that

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the campaign to be conducted respectfully and in ways that do not

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simply exacerbate tensions and division.

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Around eight million tonnes of food is wasted each year in the UK.

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The Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee

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is investigating and heard from the big supermarkets.

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A Conservative questioned the policy on selling misshapen fruit and veg.

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I just wondered why you bought these vegetables were less than perfect.

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They are perfect, they are just a different shape. I wonder if you are

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contributing to the problem as referring them to buy products,

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wouldn't it be better to sell them as they are? Why don't you do that?

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I think it helps our customers to work out what they are buying

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in-store. Soap for example, if you were to buy onions from our wonky

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range, they may be more dirty, the sizes may be different. If the

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customer isn't aware they are buying something different from what they

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ordinarily would buy, typically they will come back and question what we

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are selling them. What we are trying to do is speak clear about what it

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is they buying and providing the choice.

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MPs have been told that staffing is the biggest problem facing

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The Health Committee heard that enough midwives

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are being trained but they are not necessarily being employed.

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The committee's hearing followed a report from

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the National Childbirth Trust which blamed a shortage of midwives

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for women feeling like they had been treated "like cattle".

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The number has been granted of 2600 of the gap, if that figure you

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would... Our current figure is we are 3500 full-time with white short.

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There are various issues. We are seeing a rapidly increasing number

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of midwives retiring from the service so the number of midwives

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now over 50 is very significant so there is a need to replace, as

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midwives to leave and the number going out is now pretty much

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equating to the number coming in so you are getting flat-lining of the

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workforce. As Donald Trump prepared to take

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over as US President, a Conservative peer lambasted his predecessor

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Barack Obama as "the most "useless American

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president in my lifetime". Lord Blencathra was taking part

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in a debate on the rise of populism He made clear he'd be pleased to see

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the end of the Obama era. Tomorrow we will be rid of the most

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useless American president I have ever seen in my entire lifetime

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whose only legacy is rhetoric. He has withdrawn America from the world

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stage and left a disastrous back Hume which has been filled by Putin

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and China. -- he laid down laws in Syria did nothing to enforce them

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they were reached. She turned up line guide to Russian hacking for

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seven years and nine months but suddenly became conservator when

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Hillary lost the election. But never mind, he has his face in history,

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the next time I visit the US, I will be able to use transgender toilets.

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His world view was challenged by a former Liberal Democrat leader

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who argued it was time for politicians to abandon

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Spare a thought for the lost tribes of Labour and the Tory party. What

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you do these days if you are part of that great Tory tradition of

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internationalism and now find yourself in a party that has

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completely abandoned it? What do you do if you are a Labour member of

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Parliament who believes in the free market not as our master but as our

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servant and finds your party has expository reject it? It is

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extraordinary how much politics has spun away to the extreme and this is

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the time for us to get out of our tribes and start working together to

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ensure we can help build that moderate, liberal consensus in which

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I believe the only chance lies for altering the very dangerous

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trajectory of our country. Back in the Commons, an MP raised

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concerns about human rights abuses in Myanmar,

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also known as Burma. Thousands of Rohingya Muslims

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are said to have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh

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amid allegations that the Burmese army has carried out

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human rights abuses. Troops took control of the region

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after armed men raided police posts, It is very difficult to get accurate

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information. In order to get to the truth, when he called for full

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access to independent observers and journalists to bilges and

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displacement camps -- villages? Can I just say that UN led commission

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can be established in one of three ways, either by the Security

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Council, the human rights Council of the Secretary General. It would

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require broad international support which does not exist right now. The

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Minister Rather sidestepped the question of action in the UN by

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saying that the government opinion wasn't sufficiently consensus at the

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present time. Will the government commit to trying to build that

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consensus as opposed to remarking that it doesn't exist? Will the

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Minister may clear to the Birmingham property is that there are welcome

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re-entry into the international community will not be helped if they

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failed to protect minorities and particularly the Rohingya community

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rushed and Mark Hunt was up being attacked, many are being murdered.

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Many been sold into slavery with the complicity of Burmese authorities.

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The very authority of which treat the Rohingya as a non-people. And my

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honourable friend the Minister has avoided the challenge that it is not

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sufficient for the government to cooperate. The government needs to

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lead UN support, if these reports are true. Since the security forces

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start of the campaign in October, it has been estimated that around

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65,000 Rohingya Muslims have Fred come three, according to reports,

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and ready groups have been subject to our son, rape, and murder at the

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hands of the military. Such allegations are incredibly serious

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and for that reason I asked the Minister for the fourth time if he

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will continue to call for the establishment of an independent

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investigation into these claims. The minister said there

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were a number of avenues the Government could pursue and that

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included continued work with the UN Now what's been happening

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in the wider world With our countdown

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here's Simon Vaughan. A good week for Brexit secretary

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David Davis. He has revealed he made ?1000 eating on the results of the

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EU referendum. Government and opposition whips work-out on

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Wednesday, they swapped their House for this House, a play set in the

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1970s and posed for photos with the cast.

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The House of Lords plans to reupholster the arms of the state in

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the next financial year. Big speeches on Brexit from Theresa

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May and she has found time to pose for US Vogue.

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And, finally, sport. The Speaker interrupted Scottish questions on

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Wednesday to update MPs on the tense.

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I'm pleased to inform the House I have been informed the House that

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Andy Murray has won his second match in Melbourne.

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It's one of the most iconic buildings in the world -

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but the Palace of Westminster is in need of urgent repairs.

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It's not clear yet whether MPs and peers might have to move out

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while the work takes place - a vote on that is expected

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But the estimated repair bill is substantial.

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The Treasury Select Committee is investigating

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The Palace of Westminster is in a pure state of repair and certainly a

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lot of money will have to be spent to sort it out. The big Western is

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whether we need to spend 3.5 to four alien pounds and pretty quickly. So,

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both, how long it takes and the amount will need to be carefully

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examined. The public will want to be confident that everybody has looked

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at this and has made sure all this spending needs to be undertaken and

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undertaken now, and that is what the Treasury committee will look at. It

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will look at the report produced by Deloittes on which both houses of

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the committee came to its comp allusions.

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And that's it from me for now, but do join Joanna Shin on Monday

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night at 11pm for another round up of the best of the day

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But for now, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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