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Hello and welcome to the Week In Parliament.

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As winter tightens its grip, there's a row in the Commons

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The only way we can ensure we've got funding

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for the National Health Service is a strong economy.

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With the Stormont assembly in crisis, we find out what's gone

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wrong in Northern Ireland's power sharing agreement.

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A damning indictment of the UK's approach to defence.

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We are short-sighted, penny-pinching,

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We are complacent and we are ostrich-like

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to the way in which the world has become interconnected.

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And, how can we get more women into parliament,

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a senior MP thinks it's time for action.

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In our committee sessions, we heard very

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warm words from all of the party chair and leaders.

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We didn't really hear very much detail.

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But, first, it was a Parliamentary week dominated by the stresses

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MPs returned to Westminster after the Christmas break to news

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that the National Health Service had been at full stretch

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The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt told the Commons that it had been

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a tough Christmas and that, with cold weather on the way,

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the winter pressures were likely to continue.

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The Tuesday after Christmas was the busiest day

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And some hospitals are reporting that A attendances are up to 30%

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However, looking to the future, it is clear we need

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to have an honest discussion with the public about the purpose

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There is nowhere outside the UK that commits to all patients

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that we will sort out any health needs within four hours.

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Since it was announced in 2000, there are nearly 9 million

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more visits to our A, up to 30% of whom are NHS England

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So, if we are to protect our four hour standard, we need to be clear

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it is a promise to sort out all urgent health problems

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within four hours, but not all health problems, however minor.

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Labour said the NHS was in a worse state than the Health

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Several hospitals have warned they can't offer comprehensive care.

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Elderly patients have been left languishing on hospital

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trolleys in corridors, sometimes for over 24 hours.

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And he says care is only falling over in a couple of places.

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I know La La Land did well at the Golden Globes last night.

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I didn't realise the Secretary of State was living there.

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Perhaps that's where he's been all weekend.

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He seems to be blaming the public for overwhelming A departments

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when he well knows the reason the public go to A

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is because they can't get to see their GP,

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So it was no surprise when the Labour raised the NHS

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at prime minister's questions a couple of days later.

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Earlier this week, the Prime Minister said she wanted

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More people sharing hospital corridors on trolleys.

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More people sharing waiting areas in A departments.

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More people sharing in excise duty created by this government.

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Our NHS, Mr Speaker, is in crisis but the Prime Minister is in denial.

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Can I suggest to her on the economic question cancel

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Spend the money where it's needed, on people in desperate need

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He talks to me about corporation tax, and restoring the cuts

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The Labour Party has already spent that money eight times.

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The last thing the NHS needs is a cheque from Labour that bounces.

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The only way we can make sure we've got funding for the National health

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Yesterday, the honourable gentleman proved that he's

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not only incompetent but that he destroy our economy,

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and that would devastate our National Health Service.

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Does the NHS have the money it needs? The head of the NHS said that

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spending in real terms would decrease.

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I think it would be stretching it to say the NHS

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has got more than it has asked for.

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Would you agree there's not enough money, that there is a clear gap?

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There are clearly very substantial pressures,

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and I don't think it helps anybody to try and pretend

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But that's not a new phenomenon, to some extent.

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It's a phenomenon that is intensifying.

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I think this debate, 2020 this, 2020 that kind

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of misses the point, actually, which is that

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in the here and now there are very real pressures.

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Over the next three years, funding is going to be highly constrained.

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And in 2018/19, as I've previously said in October,

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real terms NHS spending per person in England is going to go down,

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ten years after Lehman Brothers and austerity began.

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We all understand why that is, but let's not pretend that's not

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placing huge pressure on the service.

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A political crisis is threatening the future of the power sharing

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On Monday night Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness resigned

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as Deputy First Minister and in effect brought down the

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But what's going on and how did we get here?

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This has ostensibly been triggered because of the financial

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mismanagement of a green energy scheme. The incentive was set up in

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2012 and overseen by DUP ministers. It was supposed to encourage

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businesses to switch to environmentally friendly fuels.

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There was no upper limit on payments service scheme ran over budget. The

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overspend is expected to run to almost half ?1 billion. The Deputy

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first Minister, Martin McGuinness, asked Arlene Foster to stand aside

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as first Minister for an investigation but she refused to do

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so, so Mr McGuinness has now resigned himself. That puts Mrs

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Foster out of a job because under the power-sharing system the first

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and deputy first ministers cannot work in isolation. There are very

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many other disagreements on issues like Brexit, same-sex marriage and

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budgets. It has never been an easy relationship. Under the Stormont

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rules, if the posts aren't filled within seven days, the Northern

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Ireland Secretary must, by law, call the new election to the Stormont

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assembly. It's only been eight months since the last one.

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The crisis was raised at prime minister's questions

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by the SNP's Westminster leader, who thought the breakdown could have

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The Prime Minister has indicated that she wants to take the views

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of the elected representatives and the devolved institutions

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So it stands to reason then that if there is no

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Northern Ireland Assembly and no Northern Ireland Executive for much

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of the time before the March timetable that she has set

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for invoking article 50, she will be unable to consult properly,

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to discuss fully and to find agreement on the complex

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In these circumstances, will the Prime Minister postpone

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Or will she just plough on regardless?

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I am clear that, first of all, we want to try to ensure that,

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?within this period of seven days, we can find a resolution

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to the political situation in Northern Ireland,

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so that we can to see the Assembly government continuing.

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But I am also clear that, in the discussions that we have,

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it will be possible, it is still the case that Ministers

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are in place and that, obviously, there are executives in place,

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that we are still able to take the views of

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When Tony Blair swept to power in 1997 there was much fanfare

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about the number of women who'd become MPs.

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Nicknamed the Blair Babes they represented a big

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jump in the numbers, in large part due to Labour's policy

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In total 101 Labour women were elected in 1997,

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doubling the overall total of female MPs, from 60 to 120.

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Spin forward twenty years and there are now 195 women MPs,

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The Women and Equalities committee has been looking at how

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It's suggested that in future political parties should be fined

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if they don't ensure at least 45% of general election

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I asked the Committee chair, Maria Miller, if a system of fines

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wouldn't have a disproportionate impact on smaller parties.

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Well, clearly, you'd have to look at how smaller parties were dealt

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with but the lion's share of MPs are from the main parties,

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who contest all of the Westminster seats, and we feel very strongly,

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if you're going to put measures like a 45% vote

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on candidates in place, there needs to be teeth there

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In the end, doesn't this all come down to the local associations that

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you can say to the parties, this is what we want.

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But if you have local associations which have slightly older members,

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slightly old-fashioned views, they might just still cling

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onto this idea that they prefer to have a man doing the job,

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and that's what you've got to overcome.

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At the 2015 general election, only one in four candidates was female.

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So we're not really giving people the chance to be able

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Local associations may not be given enough choice from female

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So I think we've really got to look back at the root cause of this,

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which is getting more women to consider putting

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themselves forward to become a member of Parliament.

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A lot of that is about outreach by Parliament to get

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people to consider that, but also by the parties as well.

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What is it that puts women off putting themselves forward?

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I think we have in the past focused a great deal on things like child

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care and family friendly working, and the work that Sarah Charles has

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But I think it's more than that, that's really emerging now.

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And I think the dissuading effect of online abuse, sexual harassment,

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but also the murder of Jo Cox last year, I think really shows those

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intimidatory aspects also need to be dealt with.

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And Parliament is dealing with that at the moment.

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But, surely, those would be things that would put off

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But I think all of the research would suggest that women

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are disproportionately affected by, particularly, online abuse.

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And I applaud the work the police are doing

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on securing convictions there, but it is an element that I think

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But we also need to have more effective outreach to get more women

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to consider how important it would be to be able to represent

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the community but also improve the community in which they live.

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It's not for your committee to tell parties exactly

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Isn't the long and short of it that all women short lists have worked

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and that the Labour Party has increased more dramatically and more

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Just in the same way as having a female prime minister isn't

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the panacea for all evils, neither is all women short lists.

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I think different political parties have done different

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And they need to have a plan which is effective.

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And, whilst in our committee sessions we heard very warm words

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from all of the party chair and leaders, we didn't really

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So I think the most important thing is those parties have a clear plan

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How confident are you that things will be different this time around,

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but going into the next election, there will be more female

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I think that will only happen if the parties

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now take a hard look at the processes their following

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and make sure they've got clear plans in place to put women

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At the moment, we're not seeing those plans come through.

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And if we don't have plans in place, there will no

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It's highly likely at the next election, with the reduction

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of the number of constituencies, there will be fewer

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opportunities for women to come through or for new members

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So, those parties need to have a clear plan and,

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So, it doesn't sound to me like you're terribly optimistic.

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Only if we see, I think, a radical change in not just

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the warm words we're hearing from parties but actually

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the practical measures that are put in place,

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the funding they are putting in place will we see that change.

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Perhaps there's too many other things to think about at the moment.

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We've got a little bit of time before the next election, I hope.

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A little bit of time for real action.

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All right, we will get you back to see how it's going.

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Maria Miller, thank you very much indeed for coming

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Now let's take a look at some news from around Westminster in brief.

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There's was a big surprise in Westminster on Friday morning

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with the announcement that the Labour MP Tristram Hunt

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is to stand down to become the director of the Victoria

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His decision will trigger a by election in the Stoke-on-Trent

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In a letter to local party members, the former education spokesman,

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who resigned from the Shadow Cabinet when Jeremy Corbyn was elected party

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leader, said serving in Parliament had been "both deeply rewarding

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Financial jobs in London are bound to be affected by Brexit,

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but a lack of knowledge about the government's plans

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That was the message to the Commons Treasury Committee

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from leading financiers including the head of the London

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They called for the City to have its own transitional arrangements,

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known as "grandfathering", meaning new rules wouldn't apply

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Immigrants have to make more effort to fit in,

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Part of the uncertainty and the planning is how much you would need

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to move. Clearly, you would need to move the front part of the business.

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But the question would be whether the negotiation would allow the

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settlement, the risk management, the accounting and so on to the done

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outside of EU 27 or whether it is part of the negotiations. That is a

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political negotiation, as much as a technical negotiation.

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Immigrants have to make more effort to fit in,

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that's according to the author of last month's Casey

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Dame Louise Casey told MPs that Britain needed to be "less shy"

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about telling immigrants what was expected from them.

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I think that is a sound bite which people like to say, that

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I would say that if we stick with the road analogy,

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I think integration is more like you've got a bloody big

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motorway, and you have the slip road of people coming

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in from the outside, and what you need to do

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is the people in the middle in the motorway need to accommodate

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and be gentle and kind to people coming in from the outside lane.

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We're all in the direction and we are all heading

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We are getting to this place where we have decided

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To some degree, it is a two-way street but to some worry it is not.

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There is more give on one side and more take on the other.

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And I think that is where we have made a mistake which is we have

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The government was defeated in the Lords on Monday over plans

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to change the way England's universities are run.

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The legislation is designed to make it easier for

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Peers voted in favour of an opposition amendment

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to the Higher Education Bill to define the powers

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One of the aims is to extend the University title. This piece of

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legislation has made no attempt to define what a university is or its

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role in society more widely and particularly what do we expect these

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new universities to do. The government spokesman said

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there were dangers in setting out a definition of a university that

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could be challenged in the courts. Universities have never been defined

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in legislation before and we have not led to any problems in the

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system. Labour says plans to close dozens

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of local tax offices should be immediately scrapped

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after a spending watchdog found costs have spiralled

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The National Audit Office revealed HMRC has had to rethink

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the proposals after underestimating the expense and scale

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of disruption involved. The NA oh reports confirm our fears,

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first of all, it calls the original office closure plan unrealistic, the

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estimates of the cost of the move increased by 22%, ?600 million

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extra, further job losses, it finds the cost of redundancy and travel

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have tripled to 54 million and it says HMRC cannot demonstrate how it

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services cannot be improved and it hasn't even introduced a business

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plan. As we predict it, this is an emerging disaster. Given how clear

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and stark warnings that truly are, would it not simply make more sense

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to pause this, rip it up, and start again? For the public, this seems a

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better, more modern service, run by fewer staff, costing ?18 million a

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year less by the time that changes take effect. It's a plan to say

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goodbye to the days of manual assessing that can be done more

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easily with today's technology. The UK's Green Investment Bank could

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be killed off if the government goes ahead with plans to sell it,

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according to one MP. The bank supports offshore wind

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farms and other green projects. The government has announced plans

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to part-privatise it, with Australian bank Macquarie

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thought to be the preferred bidder. It has been widely recognised as an

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innovative project. And yet, this preferred it not only has a dismal

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and terrible environmental record, it also has an appalling track

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record of assets. The minister said he couldn't

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comment on the process, potential It is precisely because we want them

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to do more unfettered by the constraints of the state that we are

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seeking to put it into the private sector. The objectives we have set

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out in the cell could not be clearer. We have also been very

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clear that the reason we want to move into the private sector is to

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enable the business to grow and continue as an institution

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supporting investment in the green economy.

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A former Nato secretary general has warned against further defence cuts,

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saying the UK is sleepwalking into potential calamity.

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Opening a debate on the UK's armed forces capability the Labour

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former defence secretary, Lord Robertson, also

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questioned US President elect Donald Trump's attitude to NATO.

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During the US election campaign Donald Trump appeared to play down

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the importance of the military alliance which raised questions

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about Nato's commitment, known as Article five,

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which says members will support Nato countries if they're attacked.

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In his speech in the Lords, Lord Robertson warned the world

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was now seeing a "bonfire of the post cold war certainties."

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He told peers he'd recently been asked what was the biggest threat

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to the safety and security of the UK and the list of potential

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I considered some of the immediate and looming threats and challenges.

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Migration flows which have suddenly ended up on our shores.

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The spread of religious extremism and Jihadi violence plumbing

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But my answer to the question of what is the greatest threat,

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it is ourselves, we are ur own worst enemies.

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We are shortsighted, penny pinching, naively optimistic,

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we're complacent, and we are ostrich like to the way in which the world

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has become interconnected, more fragile, and more unpredictable.

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And Donald, with his Mexican wall, with new protectionism

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and isolationism, with a serious questioning of Nato solidarity,

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with a belief in torture and with Lieutenant General Michael Flynn

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as his chief security adviser, perhaps we don't need more

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I hope President Putin and his colleagues realised how easily that

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mobilisations and provocations, that accidents can happen,

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And we don't have to have the memories of the First World War

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and of the Second World War where wars were started by accident

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involving the wrong people, the wrong time, they weren't

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And I just do take that threat very seriously.

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In the face of Russian ambition, my lords, European can no longer

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It is an interesting reflection that whereas the word burden

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sharing used to be used, when I went to Washington, now,

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the assessment of Europe is my contribution is shall we say

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expressed in more in trenchant and perhaps less suitable terms

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We lack strength in numbers and are not well placed to deal with it.

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More independently minded we become, the more capability we need in a

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dangerous world. Surely, the two must go together. Defence standing

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is going up. When it increases by 5 billion, it is nonsense for anyone

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to suggest there is no new funding. I hope it is clear that the

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government fully recognises the breadth and severity of threats that

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face our country today. We know that in this is of uncertainty, we can

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take nothing for granted. The approach we have taken in the STS or

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is the right one for strengthening our security and it is the one to

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which this government is fully committed.

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Now for something very different, it's time to take a look at some

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of the other political stories making the news this week.

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With our countdown, here's Alex Partridge.

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New minister Lord O'Shaughnessy hasn't exactly made

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That might be why one was caught asking who he was while he made

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We are used to political U-turns but Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt

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ended up doing a real-life U-turn while looking for his car.

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Tuesday's Foreign Office questions clocked in at more than 70 minutes

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but it wasn't nearly enough for Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

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For two hours, the minister chunters from a sedentary position.

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Jeremy Corbyn's relaunch also involves chatting

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He offered to talk some sense into ITV's Piers Morgan

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on the subject of embattled arsenal boss Arsene Wenger.

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And on Thursday, Labour's Chris Bryant took an opportunity

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to send his best wishes to the Speaker

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Sorry, Mr Speaker, May I first of all wish

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Kiss A Ginger Day activity is probably perfectly lawful

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but I've got no plans to partake of it myself.

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Alex Partridge, bringing us to the end of this week's programme,

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but do join Joanna Shinn on Monday night at 11pm for another round up

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of the best of the day here at Westminster.

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