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MUSIC: Dallas them a tune. Tonight, on This Week as Dallas plans a


return to our screens, we tune in to the Westminster soap opera


to the Westminster soap opera that's gripped the nation. As the


world's most powerful media mogul Rupert Murdoch drops his bid for


BSkyB, have the Westenders of Parliament Square finally found a


voice? The will of Parliament was clear. The will of the public was


clear. And now Britain's most powerful media owner has had to


bend to that will. Tabloid critic, The Daily Mail's Quentin Lett's,


has been watching this drama unfold. There has been a right old dog


fight between Parliament and Rupert Murdoch. But which one has gone


down in flames? There's nothing like a returning character to spice


up a storyline and Gordon Brown chose his moment to make a guest


appearance. News International descended from the gutter to the


sewer. The tragedy is that they let the rats out of the sewers.


Mirror's, Kevin Maguire, looks at the settling of old scores.


bomb Brown was back to flattened a few old enemy And Westminster may


be obsessed with this cliff hanger, but should we really be watching


the dramas unfold in other parts of the world? Targets. Channel Four's


leading man, Jon Snow, looks further afield. Is this the year of


revulsion, the Arab world has been rising up against dictators.


someone tell me, who did shoot JR? Evening all, welcome to This Week.


A simple tale of plain Westminster folk, with storylines even a


Coronation Street scriptwriter might think twice about. And with


The News Of The World now no longer available even as fish-and-chip


paper. And Rupert Murdoch's takeover of BskyB reduced to toast.


The plot has taken another jaw- dropping twist. In a development


nobody predicted, not even Mystic Meg, Gordon Brown yesterday took


time out from his tax-payer funded retirement to grace us with his


presence in the Commons chamber! That's twice in twelve months


folks! I call that value for money for the good folk of Kirkcaldy. And


the former Great Leader didn't disappoint, claiming some things


are: "neither cosy nor comfortable" - and he wasn't talking about the


This Week sofa. He was, in fact - and with a totally straight face -


referring to his long relationship with the Murdoch empire. Which is


odd, because cosy and comfortable seems an apt way to describe his


wife throwing a pyjama party in 2008 for Rupert's wife, Wendi,


Rupert's daughter Elizabeth - oh yes, and Rupert's chief lieutenant,


Rebekah Brooks. In fact, there's only one thing that looks more cosy


and comfortable than Sarah Brown's girly night-in and that's Rupert


Murdoch's astonishing collection of leisurewear tracksuits! So let's


pray the Culture Select Committee get some answers to the biggest


mystery of all - why on earth has Rupert Murdoch been running around


London closing down newspapers dressed as Jimmy Saville, but


without the cigar?! Speaking of those who nobody wants to see


working up a sweat, I'm joined by two of Westminster's finest


physical specimens. The Jane Fonda and Mr Motivator of late night chat.


I speak, of course, of Michael Portillo and - back by absolutely


no public demand whatsoever - Diane Abbott. Welcome to you both.


Michael your moment. There have been so many. I will pick one that


seeps trivial. The Sun had a headline, you're wrong Gordon.


Despite what you have said about Gordon Brown, with which I agree,


the fact the Sun chose to reveal the details of his son's illness I


think was disreputable. They said there was no illegality involved.


But in that article there was no hint that there might have been


immorality and inhumanity. That is where this debate has got to.


Gordon Brown's speech was over the top, talking about the gutter and


the rats. But still the idea that these newspapers fell short of


their own very high standards is rubbish. These newspapers did


operate on the basis of inhumanity and often immorality and the only


thing that is new is illegality. The Sun only had the right to


publish that story if the parents had given their consent. Why would


you then stay best mates with a newspaper that does that to you?


There are many versions of this. Gordon, people close to him, say at


that point Rebekah Brooks said you will never become Prime Minister


this way. If you don't understand you mustn't bust our scoops. The


the idea that a child's illness a commercial property is repugnant


That is the point I was making. Diane? I was in the chamber for


Gordon's speech. We saw you looking up adoringly as you did in the old


days. I know you're making a mock of it but to be there it was an


extraordinary occasion. It was only the second time he had spoken. You


knew he was to plunge a knife into Murdoch and the pain and the rage


were absolutely genuine. It was a genuine parliamentary occasion.


Thank you for you moments. Phew! It's been another intense week here


in Westminster. In fact it's been a pretty hectic year - and it's only


July! So as MPs prepare to head off on their hols, ahem, return to


their all-consuming constituency work - Diane knows what I mean - we


caught up with two people who've already fled the country. Looking


back not just on this week, but also the year so far here's our


very own odd couple - well apart from those two - the Mirror's Kevin


Maguire and the Daily Mail's Come fly with me, let's fly away!


It is 7.30 and Kevin and Quentin are running late. Come on man.


can't believe that taxi driver put us on the hard shoulder. I told you


not to tell anyone we're tabloid hacks. But we have not done


anything! Check in for the flight to Mongolia closes in five minutes.


I have seen things I never thought would happen. Ed Milliband said


something and people listened. I can't bare to watch. The Prime


Minister was wrong not to come to the House today. As on every


occasion during this crisis he has failed to know show leadership.


was in the cockpit. Cut class David Cameron behind. He kept the


pressure on Andy Coulson, got his inquiry and he scuppered the BSkyB


bid. But I reckon David Cameron just about pulled it back by Prime


Minister's questions. Where was the public inquiry over the last ten


years. We have a full on police investigation that will see


prosecution and I hope convictions and we will have a public inquiry


run by a judge to get to the bottom of this. That is the leadership I'm


determined to provide. Today there is disruption to all Westminster


flight s. Oh dear. It is causing headache for passengers and crew.


Jeremy Hunt has ordered us to stack. He has had a clever strategy. It is


called la la la, I'm not listening. To be fair he has been in a bind


and he could have changed runway and referred the BSkyB bid to the


Competition Commission and risked a judicial review or given it the go


Aled and risked outrage. His solution. Wait for News


International to make the decision for you. I am going to refer this


to the Competition Commission with immediate effect and we will be


writing to them today. But he was wrong if he thought that would draw


a line under it. With the parties planning to vote against the deal


and calls for News International to get the house in horder, News


International cancelled the flight. There was 1-1 Vulcan droning over


the horizon. I have set out the record of my desire to have a


judicial inquiry. It was opposed by police and the Home Office. It was


opposed by the civil service and it was not supported by the select


committee of the day. Inside Westminster terminal one, Kevin and


Quentin are still trying to check in Cancelled all together. I wish


we xould say the same or the Brook. But it is Parliament reasserting


itself. But some Tory MP will turn their sight on that other media


jumbo jet - the BBC. I think if ministers has to record meetings


with journalists I will go around saying good morning to Secretaries


of state to add to their paperwork. But I suspect what will happen is


we see more of the monkey and fewer of the organ grinders. Come on, we


will miss our check in. Let's fly away. When we come back, flights to


the eurozone and the Middle East are disrupt. The Chief Executive of


Westminster airways finds the cash has run out and Quentin has a row


at the check in. More of these two later. We're joined by stars of


stage, screen and TV. Germain Greer and Jon snow welcome to our humble


abode. Let me ask a straight forward question. Has Rupert


Murdoch's spell, is his spell on British politics over? Yes.


Diane Yes. Germaine Probably. We can all go home then. What does


it mean if the spell is broken, Jon. How will that affect how


politicians behave and what policies they stand for? I think


the first thing is that I was speaking to Murdoch's biographer


the other night and he said Murdoch doesn't have to explain anything.


He speaks power to power. I think the power has collapsed and he is


not proving good at... Speaking to anyone. And explaining anything. He


is in the Wall Street journal today saying they made a few minor


mistakes. The Wall Street journal that he owns. That affects the


political classes, that is fascinating. Because they will


start looking at the other papers. And the other papers will be found


wanting. They are in some of Mulcaire's note and that lot hasn't


been identified. It is a virus that spreads across the media? I think


so, but I don't think anyone other than the daily mail has exerted an


extraordinary psychological effect on governments, and the editor has


had access, but don't think that the Mail has wielded the actual


political power that Mr Murdoch has wielded. I think you're spot on on


that. But it is the case that politicians want to curry favour


with the Mail as well. As far as Murdoch, he has been the person to


court. You court him personally. He is very agreeable to deal with. But


you want him on side for whatever project. Did you you? Yes I courted


him. All of that is broken now. Not only will you not pursue that route


but you feel very wary about meeting Mr Murdoch. You have to


account for it. Well you wouldn't. Well you wouldn't. That is a


remarkable statement. Is it getting too easy to blame all of this on


I can't help laughing because you know him better than almost anybody.


I've said lots of words. I think we need to remember what he did. When


Murdoch was really manipulating his papers, as political influences,


first of all, he created Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher didn't know


what she was doing until the News Of The World taught her how to be


house wife's superstar and did the stoirz - I understand all that. I


don't want to go through a whole history. It's important. We'll be


here all night doing that. What I'm saying is it right to make Murdoch


this maligned character or is that too easy? We're running a risk of


making him into some kind of Superman, as if he has his finger


on everything that happened -- happens in all his many organs,


which I think he probably doesn't. He's probably more concerned about


China than the News Of The World. think we're talking about the


misjudgment of power in the political classes and the police


classes. This was not a clever idea. Just as it's not a clever idea to


Courtney of these people. Historically one recognises that


politicians have always courted media barrons. But this was a media


barron who wasn't British and didn't have roots here or pay tax


here. We had no leverage on him. Westminster, there is a sense that


a spell has been broken. It may be wrong to attribute all the problems


between proprietors and politics to Murdoch, but definitely an era is


over. What is it that MPs want now? Are they out for revenge? Out for


justice? Or now that he's down do they just like to give him a good


kicking. No-one was prepared to kick him when he was up. I know,


it's extraordinary. Even your glorious leader. There were people


who were besty friends with Rebekah Wade who were mouthing off this


week. They're trying to set the primacy of Parliament. That is what


Parliament is for. Do you buy this thing that Parliament, a number of


commentators have said after the mess of the expenses scandal,


politicians' reputation in the dirt, suddenly like a Phoenix from the


ashes... No I think you're oversentimentalising it. It's


overpersonalised. It's very easy to hit on Murdoch. But the fact is


he's provided ten million people with a service that they love,


sport that they never had access to on this scale, you know, films,


first runs and all the rest of it. One has to accept that in a very


brilliant business. But what was wrong was the access that he was


allowed in order to engineer it. What politicians now seem to do is


reflect what the population feels, which is it isn't a good idea for


anybody to wield the amount of power he does. We don't let Tesco's


have that power on the High Street. They don't have 40% of the market


why should we allow a media barron? It could result in a change of the


political culture in this country, couldn't it? You could argue that


it has already changed. The coalition means that even supposing


that Murdoch wanted to put his weight behind somebody, he can't


find that person to put his weight behind. He might argue it's behind


Cameron, except it doesn't seem to be the way it's working out. Though


I'm confessed bit startled by the closeness of Cameron to the whole


Murdoch set up, or rather the Rebekah Brooks set up. That seems a


bit odd to me. Because intimacy was never part of the deal. The deal


before was about power. It was about putting people in the


spotlight and delivering to them the readers of his paper. There's a


very sad underbelly to this. This happens at the very moment when


newspapers are in crisis, when cyberspace is invading the


territory that newspapers once had. There is a tragic story of really


vulnerable jobs now. All those 200 people on the News Of The World,


they might some of them get a job at Sun. But the truth is that


people on the Times must feel vulnerable. It loses 40 million a


year. The shareholders arrested, they'll want to get rid of it.


Nobody wants to buy it. If they do, it will be an oligarch. Clearly,


this is a moment of relief that we've lanced the o boil.


Nevertheless there will be terrible fallouts. What marked out the


Murdoch's relationship with politicians was not the


relationship between Murdoch and the Prime Minister, important


though that was, it was the top of a Nexus of relationships involving


many characters, steltssteltsstelts, Les Hinton, Rebekah Wade. Lord


Stevens, one of the highest paid columnists of all time. That made


it different and some may say inSidious, because it was so


enmeshed. What is now happening, as this unravels in Britain, is that


this story is now crossing the Atlantic. That's where Rupert


Murdoch really has to worry. If it's true that 9/11 victims have


been hacked, even if they're British, to hack a 9/11 victim, I


imagine in the United States is regarded as a deeply unpatriotic


act. It is. Though I have to say the evidence for that is pretty


tenuous. I put an "if" at the beginning of my sentence. It is a


matter which has been raised by Congress and which the FBI will


investigate. If that goes wrong, that is incredibly serious. There


is the fit and proper person issue. The point about the American when's


they catch up with corporate wrongdoing they're quite ruthless.


A colleague said in Parliament, under current British legislation


Murdoch is not a fit and proper person to run a mini cab office let


alone a media organisation. That may not get easier when the police


investigation continues. The bigger threat on the other side of the


Atlantic is actually the institutional investors in the


company and the corporate governance issues, which have


basically given him a free hand and certainly unlikely now to allow


James Murdoch to take over from him. The family dynasty is gone and he


may face even a revolt from within the company about himself. Andrew,


the biggest threat is the Grim Reaper. He's 80 years old.


mother is over 100. I don't want to depress you. The fact is that he


needs time to claw himself back on this. Obviously he still wants the


BSkyB takeover. If you'd asked me yesterday morning, I would have


said he'll get it in the end, now I don't think. So now I think because


of his age and they won't want the boy. They won't want the boy?


will not want the boy. He's not in any way exceled himself here.


said the same thing about Rupert in the beginning. My father was


employed by Rupert's father. They all thought the Sun was useless.


And one of the things that always struck me about him, maybe he's


still trying to prove himself to his dad. At 80? Yeah, never stops.


Maybe he thought he would inherit a newspaper dynasty from his father


and he didn't. Maybe that's why he's so keen on his own dynasty now.


Now if you don't like what you see, and you probably don't, and you


can't switch off because you've lost the remote down the sofa,


again and writing to points of view is a step too far for your literary


capabilities, you know it is, feel free to join in the festival of


pain otherwise known as the viewers comments section on our interweb


page. For those of you who understand the full and terrible


horror of the phrase "shirt gate" remember that a couple of weeks


ago? There's a wonderful world of Twitter. Now, to a far more


gripping story than the goings on at the Murdoch empire, no not David


Beckham naming his daughter Harper Seven, sounds like a cross between


a TV show and a magazine. I was shocked however, what's wrong with


good old Andrea? That's a nice name. No, I'm talking about the faits of


our plucky hacks, will Kevin Maguire and Quentin Letts make good


their escape? Where will they go? Have they had their jobs? Will


their ears go pop? Are there any more questions to ask? No. Let's go


Quentin and Kevin have missed check-in for their flight to outer


Mongolia. Come on, for goodness sake. They're now trying to find


out what other destinations are available. Tunisia is nice. It's


under armed guard. Egypt? Niez if you like mass protest. Italy?


Closed. Greece? It's been sold. about America? It's been cut.


Portugal is just �99. Is that flight one way? �99 gets you


What exchange rate due get for your euros? The euros, you don't want


euros any more. No-one wants them. The bad weather in Europe has


affected the UK too. Hundreds of flights have been cancelled,


leaving passengers furious. This is ridiculous, just because of one


snowflake on the Tarmac. Flight officer George Osborne has Med a


statement: They're clearly disappointing figures, but the stat


Titians tell us that the weather had a huge effect, we ht coldest


weather for 100 years. Have you heard how much flights are to


Libya? Libya? Yeah you can go for 16 quid from Luton or 260 million


from Brize Norton. A lot of money to keep Gaddafi from the Olympics.


Deputy airport manager Nick was left in charge while boss David was


away on a business trip to the Middle East. Unfortunately no-one


noticed, not even him The first Deputy Prime Minister in British


history, to fail to turn up to work when the Prime Minister is abroad


for a week. I think I am wanting to ask, what's the point of Nick


Clegg? So instead, he's been given a really important new job, moving


all the tralies from one end of the airport to the other. Oh, look,


what's he going to do now? He's taking them all back again. Bit sad


really. Having successfully booked a new


flight, Kevin and Quentin are finally off on holiday. This is a


new bit of security. Can I ask what you do for a living? Sure, tabloid


journalists... When we come back, there's confusion on the flight


deck and Nick gets lost in his own airport.


Now we see why Michael Portillo is always on trains. You wouldn't want


to be on that. Jon, I've watched a lot of your reports from Egypt and


as the Arab Spring was gathering pace, we've seen it in Egypt, Syria,


Tunisia, Syria as well. Are we in danger that the Arab Spring will go


straight to an Arab winter? I don't know what we will see. We have run


out of the experts. Nobody stood up and said, be prepared, Mubarak will


go. The Tunisian President will go. Gaddafi will be undermined, Yemen's


tyrant will go. Nobody came up and forecast that at the beginning of


this year. We're in completely uncharted territory. The Egyptian


spring is probably the most interesting because it is stalled,


yet the voices are still there in the square. It's still very, very


much alive. They may have to do it again almost. They may have to, and


it may evolve and rolling experience. A big issue will be


Mubarak on trial. If they successfully get him job to trial,


it seems to me they'll be one step further forward, towards what, I do


not know. Jermaine, do you see this as an Arab Spring that will end up


with more liberal societies or repressive regimes being replaced


by different kinds of oppressive regimes? This is the problem. When


you have oppressive regimes they don't allow an alternative


government to form. You don't have the logistics that you need.


There's no structure to move into the vax uem that has been created.


We all got a bit excited about what was going on in Egypt, because it


was so spontaneous. But spontaneous means vulnerable. Spontaneous means


now we have a space where whoever is organised to exploit it can move


in. The most obvious people in most parts of north Africa would be some


kind of Islamic fundamentalist organisation that already has the


information of the mosques and the madrassas and communications


between them. This is what is really scary. The one thing we have


to be grateful for at this point is that hasn't happened in Egypt. And


it may not happen in Egypt. The ironic thing is that we have


tacitly supported all these regimes. In the case of Gaddafi, we armed


him. Now we're having, as soon as there's a spurt of opposition to


him, we suddenly decide we're on their side, which is puzzling for


everybody on the ground. It looks as if we haven't got the staying


power to go with it any way. We're facing chaos. Speaking of Gaddafi,


was Mr Cameron right to get engaged in Libya with looking back with a


couple of months' hindsight? think the situation has turned out


to be very messy. It's made NATO look completely impotent. I think


it's more like four months, we haven't brought any kind of


decisive result to it at all. I think probably David Cameron got


into this by accident. He called for a no-fly zone, which I thought


was a reasonable thing to call for. He never expected the Americans to


support that. I don't think he imagine today would escalate from


something much beyond a no-fly zone into attacking every Gaddafi target


that could be found. He finds himself by accident. -- here by


Are the Labour backbenchers still comfortable with the situation?


think both backbenchers are uneasy. We thought we were voting to stop a


massacre and we were told the Arab league would get involved and it


has fallen apart. Both backbenchers are uneasy. But about prospects.


I'm not as, wrel sort of cynical as the others. We are not going to see


Scandinavian democracy over night in the region, but there a shift


going on. So in the long run I think we can't go back to where we


were. Having stood in Egypt, it was a most extraordinary experience and


it is hard to see that spirit and that education. These people were


extremely bright and engaged and able and the use of the social


network. Like the Iranian population. Yes I accept they have


not been able. Or the students in China? But this lot were not shot.


Ultimately Egypt came through. raise an important point at the


start, the possibility of multiple revolutions. In history, the French


revolution was four or five and the Russian was three or four.


Government is saying that it expects a major break through in


Libya before the end of the month. I think we think that too. Most of


us who have people in there think it will resolve. What is


complicated is the Italian/French situation which you have both


Silvio Berlusconi and Nicolas Sarkozy asking for talks with


Gaddafi. It I not clear whether that is because they would rather


prevent a blood bath, or whether they actually think we can't go on


with is. -- with this. If Gaddafi falls and there is a reasonably


respectable government takes over in Tripoli, will that have


justified the intervention? still don't know how many civilian


were killed in Iraq. We will probably never know how much damage


we have done in this particular sorty. It looks as if there has


been a few disasters, we have hit the rebels. If it come out well and


Gaddafi is removed, all of this will be forgotten. It will be a


success. It may be. It airk takes more than that. It may be a pwheebg


confor the countries where the revolution is still born. I think


it will move south. It is interesting. You mean? SubSaha ran


Africa. Some of these leaders will find times get uncomfortable. But


it is interesting how paranoid the Chinese have been. The removal of


the world -- word Egypt from the Chinese search engine is strange.


They think that will contain a revolution in China. I don't think.


So We're talking about worried people I think. That is the world


dealt with. Now the big issue - how does Nick Clegg hold down being


Deputy Prime Minister and do the school run? Because his wife tells


him and with the answer to that we rejoin Letts and Maguire on their


After seven hours 06 waiting they have made it on their holiday


flight. Can't believe what six months it has been. You must admit


Ed Milliband could go on holiday having got a lift under his wings.


People were calling him a mall functioning robot. These strikes


are wrong. I do believe these strikes are wrong. But it could be


a blip. You remember Hague with the fuel protests in 2000? If you don't


want to be an economy-class politician you have to have a plan


for economy. We know captain Cameron's plan. Kprash and burn.


I'm surprised how well the Tories are doing. Cut more I say. Come off


it. This coalition flight has been diverted so often they don't know


what time zone they're in. Forest, prison sentences, the NHS, schools,


the inner Flashman isn't coping well. Calm down dear. Listen to the


doctor. As for Nick Clegg. He promised to redefine politics - o'


politic and brought us his big vision. - alarm clock Britain!


what call alarm clock Britain. wonder what he is doing now. I'm if


the invisible man! At least we agree on something. It is nice to


go, seeing left and right having put aside petty squabbles. Ten


minutes to take off. Make sure you armrest is down. It is my armrest.


It is to the left. No to the right. You're causing a scene! After a


long flight they reach hear the destination. In Belgium. David


managed a short break in Cornwall for 45 minutes for a photo


opportunity, before flying to somewhere, you know, well nice. Ed


his his holiday hiding from Rupert in a card board box. And Nick


pushed all the trolleys down to one end of the airport, before pushing


them back and then being sent by An airline to avoid. As if by magic,


Germain Greer has turned into somebody else. First the coalition.


You represent the Liberal Democrats. No I don't. In an unofficial


capacity. This crisis has been good, this media crisis has been good for


Nick Clegg. I think it has. What it has given him is something that


encapsulates change. And it fits in with his agenda. So I think for him


that is good. I think what is also important is the clue's in the


title, liberal, he does believe in a plural media. We all believe in


that. I'm not sure we do, having watched those two, the mirror and


the mail as a representative of how we feel, that is not plural media.


Nick Clegg's thing is he has not God anything -- got anything to


hide. Rupert Murdoch never rated the Liberal Democrats. I am sure


that is right. But that doesn't mean that they didn't over a long


period of time, even under attack over a long period, they still


argued a lot about plurality. Even when David Puttnam talked about


amendments and how Labour refused to bring some control on the media,


he praised the Liberal Democrats. What co-you -- do you think Mr


Clegg and Mr Cable has done if Rupert Murdoch said a few years ago,


I have decided you're the future, I will put my paper be hind you.


have nowt no - o' I have no doubt they would have been interested.


But they wown't have abandoned a long standing commitment to


pluralism in the media. It seems to me that the Liberal Democrat leader


he is benefiting in this issue, unlike many, because attention has


switched to the Prime Minister. He is not in the frame for this. David


Cameron is. That is true. But of course there are lurking ghosts who


are also not Mr Clegg who are in the frame. That is the Labour Party.


At least as deeply in bed in the form of Tony Blair and in the form


even of Gordon Brown, despite yesterday's huffing and puffing


from the benches. So Mr Clegg emerges as clean Clegg. That won't


be a bad description. Dan has he had a good crisis, Ed Milliband, he


has been said to be setting the pace. I think it has been a game


changer for Ed. With his own party. And in Parliament. Because he has


ended the yearen a high and for the public. It has been a game changer


with Parliament. You say it is easy to lead the opposition. Actually


everything he call for he got. He absolutely led this. But I want to


say one thing. This has been a great week for backbenchers. John


Whittingdale did this and Tom Watson. Isn't the challenge for Ed


Milliband over the summer and in September, is to engage with the


public on more mainstream issues. We we were fortunate in the concern


of our activists on this coincided with the concerns of public. That


is not the case with other issues. From a point where people were


muttering and there was stuff in the media, Ed Milliband has pulled


it back. How damaged is David Cameron by the, particularly with


the Andy Coulson link and the fact that he built relations with the


Murdoch empire in the same way as Mr Brown and Mr Blair. How damaged


is he. He has been uncomfortable and he has not looked as if he has


been in the lead all week. Still he gave a good performance in


Parliament and he has risen to the occasion. His dominance of


Parliament remains absolute. Broadening this out to his general


performance, he is in command of the Government. He is a decisive


man and looks Prime Ministerial. I think the big issue around the U-


turns. I worked with Margaret Thatcher and she made many U-turns.


But the thing was you were never in doubt as to what she thought and


where the Government was going. U- turns in that context are


acceptable. The question I think still about David Cameron is the U-


turns have been made, is the sense of direction and is the clarity


about what he believes as much as it was in Mr Thatcher's day. The


answer is now at the moment. But can he develop it. Would it be fair


to say this countlys - country has taken well to idea of coalition.


think people are enjoying their first experience of majority


government with relish. People are comfortable with the coalition.


They are uncomfortable the cuts. As for U-turn, people like flexibility.


They like ducking and waving. The health thing was a nonsense.


people are comfortable with coalitions, why did the A Vlasov


vote go down? That reflected. -- why did the AV vote go down in


flames. That was a nonsense operation. The Prime Minister talks


about an election in 2015. He is very enthusiastic about the


continuation of the coalition. Maybe I will happen. I was thinking


back, given we are at an end of a term moment and to my first


appearance on here. We gave you tougher time. No you have always


given me a very tough time. Good on you for it. But what was, we talked


about was what would happen with the party collapse if there was a


no to AV vote and the speculation was everything would fall apart.


Well the opposite. Thank you Mr Murdoch you can say. More robust


than people think. A great piece of political theatre. Next week the


select committee. I think it will be a disappoint. They will be there


together and should take them in separately and grill them


separately and have the others locked away so they can't hear the


evidence. We shall see and will be live on BBC Two on Tuesday


afternoon and bring you that select committee grilling of the Murdochs


and Rebecca Brooks. Channel four will bring you the highlights.


There is two for the price of one. Thank you. That is it for tonight


and that is your lot until we return in the autumn. Do ahear a


collective ah? I thought I did. We leave you knowing Westminster will


be a different place in September. Not content with stabbing his


brother in the back, Ed Milliband will go under the knife himself. To


have his adenoids removed. A regular viewer know we have become


as attached to them as he is. Perhaps even more so. Because he is


getting rid of them we plan to Byrd for them once they make their --


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