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Tonight, This Week is at the races: We've put on our top hats and our | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
Royal Procession is ready. Is the UK's leading thoroughbred, David | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
Cameron, taking a big political gamble by attacking comic Jimmy | :00:28. | :00:38. | |
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Carr over his tax arrangements? is taking that money and stuffing | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
it into somewhere where he does not have to pay tax. That is not fair. | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
It is not right. Pantomime horse and comic, Jim | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
Davidson, takes to the stage. have had enough of the hypocrisy. | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
Come on, who wants to pay more tax than they need to? | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
In Mexico, the world's most powerful leaders are jockeying for | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
position, but are they any closer to solving the eurozone crisis? | :01:04. | :01:11. | |
Commentator Mary Ann Sieghart, relaxes by the pool. No dress code | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
here in Sunni Mexico, but still people are getting hot under the | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
collar. And as Royal Ascot introduces a | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
more draconian dress code, are women feeling the pressure to look | :01:21. | :01:29. | |
good? Model Caprice is studying the form. It's a good job for Andrew | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
and Michael that beauty is in the eyes of the best older! | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
Get ready. We're under starters orders. | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
Evenin' all, welcome to This Week, bringing up the political rear, as | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
per usual, with our beach-side G20 special, unlike the rest of the | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
Westminster press pack, who this week jumped right to the front of | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
the queue and jetted off with the Prime Minister on a mini-break to | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
Mexico, where desperate leaders of the world's largest economies | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
gathered to agree a coordinated response to the Jimmy Carr tax | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
avoidance crisis that's threatening to plunge our economy into a | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
triple-dip recession, bring the eurozone to its knees and prevent | :02:04. | :02:12. | |
the recommissioning of 10 O'Clock Live. As the world looked on | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
helplessly at this time of great peril, cometh the hour, cometh the | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
Call-Me-Dave. Despite, just like the fate of the eurozone, it being | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
technically none of his goddamn business, our brave Prime Minister | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
cast all diplomatic niceties aside and broke off from the high level | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
negotiations to issue an urgent summit communique, branding the | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
hapless Mr Carr a "morally wrong" individual, who he never found | :02:31. | :02:39. | |
funny in the first place. So there! All the way to Mexico, just to have | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
a pop at a stand-up comedian. Now that's statesmanship! We await a | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
similar denunciation of the Conservative-voting, Cameron- | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
supporting, OBE-wearing Gary Barlow. But we're not exactly holding our | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
breath. Speaking of those who have their priorities all wrong, I'm | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
joined on the sofa tonight by two of Westminster's most laughable | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
individuals, the Jimmy Carr Trouble and Jimmy Carr Crash of late night | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
political chat. I speak, of course, of #manontheleft, Alan "AJ" Johnson, | :03:04. | :03:14. | |
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and #sadmanonatrain Michael "choo choo" Portillo. | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
Welcome to you both. Your moment of the week. I think the Greek | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
election result. The reason it is my moment is that there was a fear | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
that the anti- austerity parties would win. Actually, I think | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
something worse happened, which was that the pro austerity parties have | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
won. The reason that is worse is that it would have been useful to | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
have a situation where Greece had to be edged out of the euro. We | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
need an experiment where somebody leaves the euro. Because all of | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
these countries cannot go on being in it. They are unsuited for the | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
purpose. I think with a tiny economy like Greece, if we could | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
have edged it out, we could have learnt a lot about that. The | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
Germans would have been happy to try this as an experiment. And now | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
the Germans have to grin and bear it and keep them in. For now, but | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
it is not over yet. Moment of the week, of the month, of the year, I | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
was in Westminster Hall this afternoon for Aung San Suu Kyi, and | :04:17. | :04:26. | |
I have a crush on the woman. She was just amazing. She quoted, say | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
not the struggle. She spoke about her time - this was a woman who | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
went home to look after her sick mother and was 20 years | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
incarcerated under house arrest. So magnanimous, so gentle, so strong. | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
No bitterness. Just like Nelson Mandela. It is that special quality, | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
but I think if anyone tries to intellectualise their apathy about | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
not voting in this country, I think I will give them short shrift. | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
Listening to her, battling just for the right to vote and for freedom | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
of speech, was memorable. Great parliamentary occasion. | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
Now, Jimmy Carr's tax affairs have been subjected to mass disapproval | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
over the past few days, an experience we're more than familiar | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
with here on This Week. It was revealed that he's used an offshore | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
tax scheme to avoid paying hundreds of thousands of pounds to Her | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
Majesty's Revenue and Customs. Today Mr Carr issued a fashionably | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
grovelling Twitter apology, but fellow stand-up comedian Jim | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
Davidson thinks he's done nothing to say sorry about. So we asked him | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
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to step up to the mike and give us his Take of the week. | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
Ladies and gentlemen, a warm welcome if you please, for the one, | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
the only, Jim Davidson. Someone said, what's the difference between | :05:52. | :05:59. | |
a taxman and a terrorist? You can negotiate with a terrorist! | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
People say that tax avoidance is no laughing matter. Jimmy Carr is now | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
in a lot of trouble. He was until he surrendered today. I don't know | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
why he surrendered. What a cow would you are. Obviously no room in | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
the Ecuador embassy for both of you. Who would have thought we would | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
have something in common - tax. I never tried to avoid paying tax, I | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
just ran out of money when it came to paying the bill! Here is the | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
thing, and I will use Jimmy and me as an example again, if you | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
suddenly find yourself a very rich with lots of money, what are you | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
going to do with it? You go to an accountant or a tax adviser and you | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
take advice. If you are sick, you go to a doctor. Perhaps not today! | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
You take their advice in good faith and act upon it. If it is not be | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
legal, who would not do that? I spoke to Jimmy Carr the other day. | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
I said, had a great tour which got �3 million, and after tax, 3 | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
million. The fact of the matter is, 1% of | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
Jimmy Carr's earnings is more than most people pay in tax anyway. So | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
he saves a little bit for his future. What is wrong with that? | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
The Government has called aggressive tax avoidance morally | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
repugnant. Big words for me. What I think is morally repugnant is the | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
fact that the Government, a Conservative lead Government take | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
nearly half your income, even more when national insurance is taken | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
into account. If they want to stop tax avoiders, close the loopholes. | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
Some would say that the Government are a bunch of hypocrites. First, | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
the Prime Minister has a go at Jimmy Carr and "people like him" | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
for tax avoidance, and then he rolls out the red carpet for the | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
French to come here and avoid paying their taxes. Something is | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
not right. The French of all people! You know what I think, | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
wouldn't it be simpler if we all paid the same rate of tax? After | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
all, a percentage is a percentage. Simple. Jimmy, don't worry, I am | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
sure you will get your OBE. My one stands for one bankruptcy is enough. | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
What do a pelican and the taxman have in common? They can both shove | :08:15. | :08:25. | |
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their bills up their... Jim Davidson at a Comedy Store in | :08:26. | :08:34. | |
the West End of London. Welcome to our comedy club. The biggest crowd | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
I have ever had. It is good to have a real comedian on. Many hard- | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
working people watching will say that they find your views morally | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
objectionable. If you are rich, you should pay your fair share. What is | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
fair? A percentage is a percentage. If he is paying 1% when a nurse... | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
That is not fair. Everyone brings up nurses. It is like they say, it | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
tastes like chicken, or as big as Wales. Wales is not a country. | :09:08. | :09:16. | |
Let's say a train driver. Jimmy Carr loses 40% of his income. That | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
is not fair. He would not need to do that. If we paid the same amount, | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
he would not be to find these ridiculous schemes. That is the way | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
to stop these schemes. Let's all pay the same. Everybody wants to | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
pay tax, because you get a vote and everyone is proud of their country, | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
most sensible people. There are always people that want to opt out. | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
This is no defence of Jimmy Carr. He is only paying 1%. The but why | :09:44. | :09:54. | |
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is he paying 1%? People say that 50% is too much. If everybody paid | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
the same, would we bother with these fly-by-night people? Would | :09:58. | :10:08. | |
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you not rather have 25% of Jimmy Carr's money than 1%? Yes, I would. | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
It is not illegal, what was done. Does your conscience not say that | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
you should pay more tax than that? But who wants to pay more than your | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
financial adviser says? You go to a financial adviser and you say, what | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
do I do with this? Why don't the Government just say, how much have | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
you got, give us that? You go to an accountant whose us, we will do | :10:35. | :10:44. | |
this. Is It Legal? Yes. This is doubly morally repugnant. Somebody | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
like Jimmy Carr, somebody like you, knows perfectly well that you | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
should be paying a large proportion of your income in tax. We should | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
pay the same as anybody else. Nobody else pays 1%. A percentage | :10:58. | :11:08. | |
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of your tax. That is not what is happening. The differences that | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
Jimmy Carr paid 1% and if I understood what he has just said, | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
he paid 0% because he left the country. But it is morally | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
repugnant to pay no tax. Secondly, the Government set up schemes to | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
help the film industry, to help the arts, for Pete's sake. People like | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
Jimmy Carr have taken advantage of those schemes to avoid tax. It is | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
doubly repugnant. Did he set it up to do that? All I can do is take | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
his word, and he's as it was a terrible error of judgment. Even | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
someone on a more modest salary, if they went to their accountant and | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
the accountant came up with a way and said, I have a way of reducing | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
your tax that is entirely legal, the scheme has been before HMRC. | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
Most people would say, yes. problem is that Jimmy Carr is a | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
satirist. And that is the problem. But there is an issue about, don't | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
pick on him and make him the fall guy for this, which David Cameron | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
did, and was a big mistake. It was a mistake for the Prime Minister to | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
spot light and comment on Jimmy Carr? It was a huge mistake. We | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
have Ed Miliband now being statesmanlike about this, saying | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
that politicians should not lecture. If there is a loophole, they have | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
to deal with the loophole. If you look at the issue of MPs' expenses, | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
it was all very legal. David Cameron claimed to have the | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
wisteria cut from around his stream and had to pay the money back. I | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
see no difference in terms of the morality. Was it a mistake for the | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
Prime Minister to comment on Jimmy Carr? I think he may well regret it. | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
They will now go after every Conservative donor and find out | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
about their tax affairs. But it may not have been a mistake because you | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
have to advance on two fronts. You have to make sure that the law | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
prevents bad practice, but you also have to stigmatise bad behaviour. | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
Because we know that the law will never get in advance of clever | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
lawyers and accountants, who will be able to avoid tax. The law is | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
not sufficient. You also have to declare that this kind of behaviour, | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
even though it is legal and lawful, is immoral. How do you stop it? You | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
stop it by saying that we should all pay the same percentage. I do | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
not think Jimmy Carr would do it again because he has been | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
stigmatised. If an accountant says to you, Michael, I have a way that | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
is perfectly legal, has been approved by HMRC and will save you | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
tens of thousands of pounds in tax compared to what you pay now, are | :13:58. | :14:08. | |
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you saying you would say No? In my own case, absolutely. Why? | :14:08. | :14:17. | |
Because... Because you would be found out. That is the problem. | :14:17. | :14:26. | |
do invest in an ISA. That is tax free. That is a vehicle the | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Government provides. That is a not -- that is not a proper example. | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
There are two cases. One is when your accountant says, I can find a | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
way where you will end up paying 10% less tax. It is completely | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
different where you say, we will put the money into some investment | :14:42. | :14:51. | |
The part of the problem which Jim is alluding to is this, that the | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
tax code is now so complicated. It doubled in size under Gordon Brown. | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
It has got so many loopholes in it now and it's getting bigger under | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
this Government, despite the promises of tax simplification. The | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
more complicated it gets, the more rich people can go to very smart | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
accountants who find loopholes. At the moment the Government finds one | :15:16. | :15:26. | |
loophole and they will find another. It is not a justification for it. I | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
think Michael, you are almost looking askance at him because he | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
says if you earn a lot of money you caught to pay the right level of | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
tax. And you shouldn't find these scams. Jimmy Carr, if he spent five | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
minutes finding out what K2 was about he would find it a scafplt | :15:45. | :15:53. | |
you put your money over there and they -- find it is a scam. You put | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
your money over there and they lend you the money back. It's a fair | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
point. The politicians, instead of moralising and picking on one | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
individual, as David Cameron has done, all to close those loopholes. | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
It's not a fair point. Politicians have responded to people who say | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
let's encourage the film industry, let's encourage the theatre. | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
Mentioning Jimmy Carr was a bit populist. No, art galleries. When | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
they say put your money into these things and we will Lewis your tax | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
bill, but then people abuse the system. That's appalling. Maybe | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
politicians shouldn't be given tax breaks for their latest hobbies. | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
You are absolutely right. The ultimate result of this will be | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
that politicians will not be able to do things to promote things that | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
they think are in the public interest. The Prime Minister's | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
picked on Mr Carr, not on Mr Barlow. Are we in any doubt the Prime | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
Minister's family who has gone through the most sophisticated | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
inheritance tax planning? Are we in any doubt that Mr Cameron's father | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
was involved in planning? There was one on Channel 4 News tonight on | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
schemes that were designed to avoid taxes. Do you know, look, I don't | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
know the details of the Cameron family taxes. It seems very | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
dangerous. Well, I admit it's dangerous but I do believe we are | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
talking about completely different things. I don't believe that people | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
who plan inheritance sensibly so that they take advantage of their | :17:37. | :17:43. | |
allowances there are on the same scale as those who avoid paying any | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
tax at all by using schemes that have nothing to do with their | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
schemes. I didn't need a find a scheme, as I've been married so | :17:53. | :18:01. | |
many times I didn't have any money to pay. Should Mr Barlow be made to | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
give back his OBE? The Prime Minister's been asked about Gary | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
Barlow and he wants to move on. don't think he has the same | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
accountant as Jimmy Carr do you? lips are sealed, guv. I think Jimmy | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
Carr will be over the Moon that he's on the fronts page of the | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
papers. I wouldn't like to be doing his next stand-up routine, although | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
yours tonight was excellent. Good to see you. | :18:35. | :18:43. | |
It may be late, too late to join the K2 tax avoidance scheme. Damn | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
you Jimmy Carr! Caprice will be talking about the politics of | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
beauty. For those who prefer much uglier rumours you can always show | :18:53. | :19:03. | |
us your worst side on the Twitter, Looking interweb | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
Site. Now back to the G20, and things are | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
really hotting up down there! Come on, let's crack on with the show so | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
Michael can whip on his leopard print Speedos and get down to the | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
pool. Yes, this is the austerity- busting view that the Prime | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
Minister's spin doctor didn't want him to be interviewed in front of | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
and instead started snapping hacks sitting around the pool! Here's | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
Senorita Mary Ann Sieghart with her poolside round-up from Los Cabos. | :19:28. | :19:38. | |
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Viva Los Cabos and welcome to sunny Mexico. Yes, this is the side of | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
the G20 summit that Number Ten didn't want you to see. Nap away, | :19:55. | :20:05. | |
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Mr Cameron. I don't care who knows. It is odd people getting worked up | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
about a bit of sun, sand and sea in Mexico when it's the rain in Spain | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
and Greece that's getting people round here hot under the collar. | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
Earlier this week the Greeks swore in their new PM while the British | :20:26. | :20:33. | |
and Americans started getting pretty vocal for the need to for | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
the Continentals to get their act together. The world is concerned | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
about the slowing of growth that has taken place. A lot of attention | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
has been centred on Europe. Now is the time, as we've discussed, to | :20:47. | :20:56. | |
make sure that all of us join to do what's necessary to stabilise the | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
world financial system. But like all family holidays everyone is | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
getting on each other's nerves. The Greeks and the Germans can't agree | :21:03. | :21:10. | |
on who is to pay for it. The French want to shell out more at the bar, | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
not less, and everyone is fed one the Brits for trying to bag the | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
best place by the pool. This crisis was originated in North America, we | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
are not coming here to receive lessons from nobody. In fact it's | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
been tequila slammers all round this week. David Cameron must have | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
been thought he was served a writ when the Argentinian Prime Minister, | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, tried to stuff an envelope into his | :21:41. | :21:50. | |
hands with the word mall vin nas into his hands -- Malvinas. I wants | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
to make it clear that the people of the Falkland Islands have decided | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
to hold a referendum about their future. If she believes in | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
democracy, in self determination, she should respect the outcome of | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
that referendum. I thought it was important to make that point and I | :22:04. | :22:14. | |
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made that point with some vigour. The Prime Minister's not the only | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
man who has been jetting off to sun-soaked resorts. Nick Clegg's | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
been down the road in rye yo with the west rest of the world's | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
leaders, or the ones not in Mexico, who've flown thousands of miles to | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
combat climate change. Although Nick Clegg is getting worked up | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
with Michael Gove's plans to scrap GCSEs at home. This is not a policy | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
we agreed in the coalition Government. But on the exams system, | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
we need to make sure that we constantly improve the exams system | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
that so that it is rigorous and stretching. But we need to design | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
an exams system for the future, not turn the clock back to the past. | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
is iron take the man left holding the fort here is Foreign Secretary | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
William Hague, who was left to answer questions about today's | :23:04. | :23:14. | |
:23:14. | :23:15. | ||
doctors strike. My God, there's my The Prime Minister once told us he | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
could sum up his priority in three letters - NHS. Isn't it more like | :23:21. | :23:31. | |
:23:31. | :23:31. | ||
LOL? It obviously took a long time to think of that one! I have set | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
out the achievements of the Government on the NHS, even the | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
King's Fund in its latest report, which has sometimes been quoted by | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
the opposition, say there is no evidence of a decline in service | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
quality or performance. William Hague waited 15 years or you could | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
say a lifetime to stand in for the Prime Minister at PMQs. He | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
certainly relished it, as did Tory MPs behind him, who displayed a | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
certain whistfulness for what might have been. There's a lots of dis | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
satisfaction among Tory backbenchers, because they don't | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
trust Cameron, and they trust their coalition partners a lot less. | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
Given the appalling behaviour of Liberal Democrats Cabinet members | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
in not supporting the Secretary of State for culture, media and sport, | :24:24. | :24:31. | |
would my preferred Deputy Prime Minister arrange a divorce from the | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
Yellow Peril so that we can govern with Conservative policies as a | :24:34. | :24:41. | |
minority Government? There was one person this week who | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
managed to look effortlessly exotic without raising any hackles here. | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
Aung San Suu Kyi showed our fractious politicians that | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
sometimes to get yourself heard you don't always have to shout the | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
loudest. So many hills remain to be climbed, chasms to be briged, | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
obstacles to be bridged. Our own determination can get us so far. | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
The support of the people of Britain and of people's s around | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
the world can get us so much further. | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
Dignity, selflessness, courage, patience, why can't we have | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
politicians like that? Mary Ann Sieghart and Mariachi | :25:25. | :25:34. | |
Mexeteca, all the way from Los Cabos. In Hampton. You didn't think | :25:34. | :25:41. | |
we could afford to go to Mexico; Is Michael Gove right to want to | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
return to a more rigorous exam system? This was a leaked document. | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
I didn't hear what Michael said in Parliament. If it is something that | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
smacks of the 1950s Michael will be after it. The education leaving age | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
goes up next year to 17. Two years to 18. It was policy I introduced | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
when I was Education Secretary. But the GCSEs is almost like a school | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
leaving exam. We wanted kids to stay on at school after 16 and they | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
left in droves. Now that the education leaving age is going up, | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
and I agree with Ken baker on this, there's a case for having some kind | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
of testing at 14 rather than this 16, which was there because that | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
was the school leaving age. If that's part of his plan here, I | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
would be very interested in it. If it is just the rigour of the 1950s, | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
which wasn't that successful be you look at the research from the NFER, | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
then I don't think it will take us forward. It has certainly created a | :26:46. | :26:54. | |
bust-up with the Liberal Democrats. People want to see more rigour in | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
our exam system. I don't think rigour should be associated with | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
the 1950s. But people are worried that there'll be one exam and | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
poorer kids will is it that and the more rigorous one will be the more | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
middle class exam. I think the world does divide into several tier | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
es. I think the way in which we pretended we can have a one-tier | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
system in education has been a part of our problem. We have | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
comprehensivised education so we probably haven't done the best by | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
the people who are most challenged in education and we haven't done | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
the best by those people who could excel in education. One size | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
doesn't fit all. It has the potential to be an omnishambles, | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
because it got out in a newspaper. Mr Gove was summoned to the House | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
to make a statement, which he had to do and give away more I think | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
than he wanted to at this stage. And Mr Clegg pops up from Rio to | :27:52. | :28:01. | |
say, "I don't know anything about this." It was extraordinary. A Lib | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
Dem junior Minister, in that department, that they haven't been | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
discussing this as a coalition. got out because Michael Government | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
had lunch with Simon Heffer, of the Mail, and told him what he was | :28:13. | :28:22. | |
planning to do. No such thing as a free lunch. I think it was a Con's | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
cock-up. I know it doesn't need legislation. The Home Secretary | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
said you couldn't have such a major change without parliamentary | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
approval. You have to say that anything that's announced by the | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
Government may not get through. I think the chances of it getting | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
through must be 30%. If Labour was to put down a motion saying we | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
don't want this to happen, the question twheen be what do the Lib | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
Dems do? If they just abstain it gets through. They have to vote | :28:54. | :29:00. | |
against it. I'm not thinking about votes but what will happen with | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
mature consideration. One thing after another gets announced and | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
then U-turned and it disappears. Mr Gove looking like leadership | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
material? Great for the Labour Party. Do you think he will be the | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
Ed Miliband of the party? I don't think that would work. He doesn't | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
have broad appeal but he knows what he is about and what he wants. | :29:27. | :29:37. | |
:29:37. | :29:42. | ||
He must be ahead of George Osborne in the leadership popularity stakes. | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
I do not think they George wants it, whereas Michael Gove is a serious | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
candidate for the future. I think Michael Gove is the only one still | :29:54. | :30:02. | |
standing. The industrial action by doctors, did you back it? I have | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
said this before, I think trade unions are entitled to try to | :30:07. | :30:15. | |
defend their pension rights. I also think... Is that yes? Yes, in the | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
sense that I do not take the view that U2, the Daily Mail, | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
practically all of the press, shock, horror, somebody has taken | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
industrial action. I could see it in your eyes. We were just waiting | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
for you to drown him. The floundering was going on and on. | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
is interesting that Labour is supporting people who go on strike | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
with average pensions of �68,000 a year. I did not say Labour, said I | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
was. It was hard to see what the point was. Nothing happened. Move | :30:52. | :30:59. | |
on. It was pointless. Frankly, it has brought a lot of obloquy on the | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
doctors, which is a shame, because they do terrific things and most of | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
them would not do anything to harm patients. I do not think it has. | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
There is this argument that the British are against anyone who | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
takes industrial action. I am not so sure. I also am not sure that | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
the British people do not understand it doctors are saying, | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
we reached a deal on pensions. One of the reasons why the cost to | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
public pensions is going down is because it save the Exchequer �13 | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
billion. They are putting increased contributions in, and they have a | :31:32. | :31:38. | |
deal that if anything unforeseen comes in, to exceed the cost, it | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
comes entirely from member contributions. There is a | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
negotiation going on. Industrial action - you should be proud of the | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
legislation introduced in the 1980s because a ballot for industrial | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
action has to take place. A union that has got a certain point in | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
negotiations but cannot get any further, really the next stage is | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
to have an industrial action ballot. It is part of the democracy that | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
Aung San Suu Kyi is trying to introduce into Burma. You should be | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
ashamed of the GP contract you introduced that enabled them to | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
spend less time with patients, get more money, and now they have | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
pensions which up 80% financed by public sector. The most significant | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
thing is that Alan has gone from trying to avoid answering the | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
question to becoming an articulate spokesman for the case of the | :32:26. | :32:35. | |
doctors, almost in the course of two minutes in a TV studio. We have | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
had the new Prime Minister in Greece, as you were saying at the | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
head of the show. We had the G20 in Mexico and a statement there. | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
Surprise, surprise, they kicked the issue into the next summit of the | :32:46. | :32:53. | |
European Union next week. Are we closer to a resolution? No, because | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
the Euro was fundamentally flawed. It is not about one fixer or | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
another, 100 billion here or there, but about the thing not working. It | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
is about trying to put together economies which are quite different, | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
at different stages of development with different capabilities all | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
under one exchange rate. The wonderful irony of the euro is not | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
that the exchange rate is wrong for some of the countries, it is wrong | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
for all of them. It is as wrong for Germany as it is wrong for Greece. | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
The exchange rate for Germany ought to be much higher. It ought to be | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
more difficult for them to export, easier to import. It is a shambles. | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
Until either Europe becomes one country, which is quite unlikely, | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
or countries begin to leave the euro, it cannot be resolved. | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
problem is, right or wrong, that the continued inability of Europe's | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
leaders to resolve the matter means that it becomes a near permanent | :33:49. | :33:55. | |
drag on all the economies. Yes, and there is no sign of a solution. | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
Germany have elections next year. Helmut Kohl said that monetary | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
union without fiscal union is a castle in the air. It looks as if | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
there is a long-term plan that looks very much like fiscal union. | :34:09. | :34:19. | |
Right now, the castle is dropping to earth. In terms of leaving the | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
euro, the Greeks do not want to leave, and the only way they can go | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
as if they want to leave because they have a veto on changing the | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
treaty. I think they may leave none the less. | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
Now, Mona Lisa's eyes, Cleopatra's nose, Alan Johnson's complexion, | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
Michael Portillo's lips... Great beauty has taken many forms | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
throughout history. And Michael may well be the face that launched a | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
thousand steam trains, but will he still be considered the ideal in a | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
hundred years' time? Or even by the end of tonight's show? And at what | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
point does the pressure to look good become nothing but a burden? | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but for one week only, | :34:56. | :35:06. | |
:35:06. | :35:16. | ||
we've decided to put it in the # Could you be the most beautiful | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
girl in the world?. # It is Ladies' Day at Ascot, which | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
means all eyes turn to the thoroughbred beauty is in the | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
stands. In order to keep up appearances, Ascot has tightened | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
its dress code, with racecourse police deployed to prevent crimes | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
against fashion, such as strapless tops and fascinators. Watch out, | :35:38. | :35:46. | |
Kate. So how damaging is the pressure to look beautiful? As his | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
-- as headmistress has warned against the sexualisation of | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
schoolchildren, Kim car - and is accused of sending confusing | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
messages to young girls. And as cosmetic surgery becomes more | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
commonplace, does it matter if implants are not toxic but are more | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
likely to burst? So, is the ideal of beauty making us a danger on to | :36:07. | :36:16. | |
ourselves, or has it always been this way? Caprice joins us. How | :36:16. | :36:25. | |
important his duty to you? To me? Are you joking. I made a fortune on | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
beauty. Let's call a spade a spade. Obviously, my career has progressed, | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
but to start with, beauty was everything. Is it always a blessing, | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
or sometimes a curse? Initially, a blessing, because I made a fortune | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
just being a pretty girl. But when I started my business it was a | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
curse because there is a stereotype. She was a model, she looks like | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
that, we do not think the brand will work, we will not invest, | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
forget it. It took a few years to establish credibility and to show | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
that, I do not care what you think of me but I have the numbers here, | :37:06. | :37:13. | |
so you have to take my brand. And I can give you free marketing as well. | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
Because you were well known? Exactly. That is tremendous power. | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
Has the view of society of duty changed over time? I think now it | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
is almost obsessive. -- review of beauty. When I first started, it | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
was not quite like this. And now the media and everyone around us is | :37:34. | :37:41. | |
obsessed by a celebrity and beauty. That must mean young girls are | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
under more pressure than they were even when you were younger? Young | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
girls? Try older girls. Are you joking? Everyone, and it gets | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
harder when you get older, trust me! It does not seem that is going | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
to get any easier. We are more and more looks obsessed all the time. | :38:03. | :38:09. | |
It is a celebrity beauty obsessed culture. I am finding that | :38:09. | :38:16. | |
daughters of my friends, who are 18 to 20 years old, getting to want to | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
change the way they look. These are 20 year-olds. I am thinking, you | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
have not stopped growing! What are you thinking? That is something | :38:25. | :38:34. | |
that is quite new. What does beauty mean to you, Michael? Yeah, Michael. | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
I wanted to ask this, I think it must be tough because not only in | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
business people must doubt there you are up to it, but what about | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
personal relationships? How do you know whether somebody values you | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
for yourself or just for your beauty? I am going to be really | :38:51. | :38:58. | |
candid. If somebody - I am sure that their motivation was not 100% | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
all of the time. I am OK with that, just as long as you make me happy | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
and you are good to me. If your motivation is because you want to | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
be standing next to me and get in a picture, knock yourself out. If I | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
am happy in this relationship, then that is OK. I am not going to marry | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
you, but... We will go out for a while and I am OK with that. This | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
stuff that has been happening at Ascot is not about beauty. Ugly and | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
disabled people are welcome. It is actually about taste. If you have a | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
flabby tummy, or wobbly legs, we do not want to see them. It is about | :39:36. | :39:43. | |
taste, not beauty. I was at Ascot last year and it was horrendous. | :39:43. | :39:51. | |
What did you do? People were so appallingly dressed. Coming from an | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
American, Ascot is English tradition. It is about elegance, | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
about beauty. This is what we always thought it was. Elegance, | :40:00. | :40:08. | |
rather than beauty. Only people can be very elegant. Do looks matter in | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
politics? Yes, they do. I have always found my duty a blessing. | :40:14. | :40:21. | |
They do matter. Why did you not become leader? If you go back to | :40:22. | :40:29. | |
Nick Clegg, he was more popular than Winston Churchill. And his | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
looks... The same with Cameron and Blair. But it does not get you | :40:35. | :40:44. | |
through. Tony Blair's looks didn't matter. In America, Obama's looks | :40:44. | :40:51. | |
mattered, and Mitt Romney's looks also matter. But remember, they are | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
very good speakers as well. It is the look, but they are good | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
speakers as well. Do you think it was your looks that kept you from | :40:59. | :41:07. | |
becoming leaders of your party? were too beautiful to succeed. | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
both chicken out. Was it an issue when you were running. It was part | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
of your image, the handsome young man, new generation of the | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
Conservative Party. Let's face it, even now, Andrew, you do not want | :41:22. | :41:30. | |
to go on television looking hideous. I manage it every week. He is | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
searching for a compliment! We have to say good night. Is that it? | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
That's your lot for tonight, folks. But not for us, because it's Book | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
Club night at Annabel's and it's Michael's turn to choose our | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
reading matter. Which can mean only one thing - Fifty Shades of Grey. | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
Again! But we leave you tonight with yet more evidence that for all | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
their expensively educated country suppers and overpriced stationary, | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
the Camerons really are a terrible judge of character. Nighty-night, | :42:01. | :42:11. | |
:42:11. | :42:12. | ||
don't let your embarrassing friends Who is your favourite member of | :42:12. | :42:22. | |
:42:22. | :42:35. |