24/01/2013 This Week

$:/STARTFEED. N theite, is it the Final Countdown for Britain in

Europe? The Prime Minister finally takes to the stage and offers an

in-out referendum on leaving the European Union. We'll give the

British people a referendum with a very simple in or out choice.

former Tory MP, now UKIP supporter, Neil Hamilton, isn't cheering.

What's all the fuss about? Dave made a cast iron promise of a

referendum on the EU before the last election. He broke it. We've

last election. He broke it. We've been had before. As world leaders

party in one of Europe's top ski resorts, is it the economy, rather

than Europe, that Mr Cameron should be banging on about? ITV news's

Business Editor, Laura Kuenssberg, is counting down the figures.

two, one... Could we be on the verge of a triple dip? Is it much

more fun to pal around in Davos talking about Europe. The debt

mountain is high and growing every day. Can Government or parents do

anything about the pornographication of society? Two

former teeny bopers Katherine Ryan and Lowri Turner will be performing

on the This Week stage. Government think it's us parents. The idea

that I could do anything to get on the Internet. I have a daughter and

she thinks she's sending these third degree duck face photos to

anyone on the Internet, she's wrong, it's my business and I'll end it.

You join us this week banging the Westminster head board in a eye-

rolling state of unbridled political ecstasy brought to a

shuttering climax by David Cameron's long-awaited speech on

the European Union. Oh how he's teased and toyed with us, but now

he's finally come out with it and asked us to lie back and think of

Europe, at least until 2017. He's made his backbenchers purr with

delight and partly satisfied Mrs Bone in the process by doing his

best to tempt voters away from the forbidden vote that's in UKIP.

After handcuffing himself to an in- out vote in the next Parliament,

think of the next Tory manifesto as 50 Shades of Referendum for kinky

Euro-Sceptics. Let's face it, nothing quite tit lates a Tory like

the idea of pulling out of Europe. It's the single biggest erogenous

zone outside of Michael Portillo's dressing room. And so for those who

regret getting into the bed with the EU, there's only one guaranteed

way of avoiding impreg nation via ever-closer union, the withdrawal

method otherwise known as politicus iterruptus. Speaking of those with

strange political forget tishs, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two

men who shouldn't really be on anyone's menu. The mackerel pate

and horse starter of the late-night political chat, I speak of man on

the left, Alan Johnson and Michael choo choo Portillo. I don't think

the United States will prevail. There's no peace process. Iran will

get nuclear weapons and the United States will... Cheery chap. It's

not always worth going to Prime Minister's Questions but this week

it was. The atmosphere was good. I just like Ming Campbell bringing

lefty to it. At the moment, Michael Heseltine seems to be the only Tory

who knows how to talk about growth. There was a question about whether

there would be Michael Heseltine being asked to do an inquiry which

was an excellent question. I have to say, David Cameron gave a great

answer too. Michael Heseltine would like to do that. Do it without

being asked! I know many of you are quivering with excitement at the

memory of call me Dave's speech and the prospect of a euro referendum.

We at This Week like to provide the utmost in extreme titilation. So

what more could you ask for than former Tory minister, now UKIP

supporter Neil Hamilton giving us his Day of the Week.

# We're jammin'... # Mm, jam, another quintessential

British industry the EU's been trying to suffocate with rules and

regular laces. David Cameron mange he's cooked up a storm in his

speech about Britain's future relationship with the EU. But once

the froth defeated the announcement of his in-out referendum, people

should see it for what they are, a sticky sweet confection without

depth or substance. Urgh, let's If call me Dave really cared about

the problems, he'd be sorting out the sticky issues of our membership

now. That's presuming the Tories will win, a big if for the man who

couldn't even beat the hapless Gordon Brown.

To make matters worse, the PM's given us virtually no clue as to

what powers he'll be renegotiating. He must take us for mugs if he

thinks we'll believe that any European leader would agree to hand

over any serious powers we have handed over in the last 40 years.

It does what it says on the jar, that's what the UKIP party's all

about and always will be. So what then? Are we supposed to believe

he's going to admit failing in his negotiations and vote to leave the

EU? He's made perfectly clear that he'll back the eurocrats. He'll be

campaigning to keep us in this sticky gloopy morass of the EU come

what may. He's playing politics with the

truth and our country's future. It's just a ruse to stop himself

If the vote takes place, UKIP will be the only mainstream political

party campaigning to restore our independence and get Britain out.

Then it really will be jam for everyone! Neil Hamilton from

England Preserves in Bermondsey South London to Westminster and

welcome to you both. Governments do all sorts of things without a

mandate, whatever that means. Couldn't get one through the

Commons? Well, who knows. He's the Prime Minister. That's a secondary

issue anyway whether he can or can't isn't it? What matters is

whether the people of this country, for the first time in 40 years,

should have a voice in this matter. The fact is, he's got the 015

election. You want an in-out referendum. The only realistic way

to secure that if you want it is to vote Tory, not UKIP. You probably

won't even win a seat, never mind form a Government? We are

interested in the arguments, not in the kind of political manipulations

of the Westminster elite. I thought you wanted an in-out referendum?

do. The only way to get that is to vote Tory? On the experience so far,

the Tory party in the last election promised a referendum which was

reneged on afterwards. This is a step along the way, if it wasn't

for UKIP, we wouldn't be talking in these terms. I understand that, but

the logic of your position, you have no chance of delivering a

referendum. We are delivering this one. David Cameron may well renege

on you again, I understand that, but the only show in town is his

in-out referendum if that's your thing? We are not playing political

games. We are putting before the British people a choice. They can

vote for us or for other parties. What we are doing is actually

generating this political debate and taking it forward. If it wasn't

for us, David Cameron would not have promised this referendum, we

wouldn't even be arguing about it, because he started this Parliament

by saying, we mustn't bang on about Europe and he is now because of

UKIP entirely. The polls have shown for years that this country has no

appetite for ever closer union. There's another poll tonight

showing that. There's a huge majority for a semi-detached

relationship with Brussels. What's wrong with David Cameron trying to

deliver what the country wants? challenge that. There's a lot of

evidence from polls that about 35% of the country is keen on the

European Union. I didn't say that. I said there's no time for an ever

closer union? Never had that question put to them. There was a

poll in last Sunday's paper when asked would it be right to

repatriate powers, it was 60-20. Shall I tell you something about

polls? If you ask people do you want to stay in the European Union,

they tend to say a very substantial proportion, they say yes. If they

want repatriated powers and nobody's talked about which powers,

they tend to say no. A lot turns on the question. I lived at the time...

Lets me finish. The general point is that this is a Euro-sceptic

country? It was in 197 3 and we managed to win it with a

substantial majority in every region except Orkney and Shetland

because they'd heard the case at last. Let's come back to my point.

What is wrong with David Cameron going down this road? Primarily,

there are two things seriously wrong with it. He has no knowledge

at all to be sure that the other countries will negotiate. He's

risking almost everything on the ability to negotiate, specifically

for Britain changes. We know following the reactions of the

European leaders he's not likely to get that support from anybody, so

that's misleading. Secondly, I think bigger reasons that he's

wrong is because he's essentially presenting Britain a set of

parochial questions and we have a much, much bigger role in the world

than that. We can govern ourselves. Of course we can.? You said before

Christmas that no party would go into the next election offering a

referendum, Michael? I must have meant no sensible party. So your

own party is not sensible? I'm not a member of any party. But you were

a member for a long time and a Euro-sceptic? I don't think it's

sensible to promise a referendum in four years' time when you don't

know what the situation will be. It's an extraordinary gamble. I

tend to agree with that bit of Neil's analysis a moment ago where

Neil said that what the Prime Minister was doing was going to

have a ritualistic negotiation and we know that whatever the limited

result of that negotiation is, he's going to recommend that we stay in

the European Union. What he's banking on, I think, is that he

doesn't much like the European Union but is afraid to leave it and

he's banking on British people being in exactly the same place,

they are afraid to leave it but may not like it. He may be right.

There's one problem which you put your finger on just now, you say

he's offering negotiation. We have no reason to believe there will be

a serious negotiation or can be, and many people think that. In

which case, how is the Prime Minister expected to hang on for

four years of uncertainty about whether or not there'll be

negotiation. You are quite right, you can't have a referendum about

something you don't know about. $:/STARTFEED. Your party promised a

referendum in 1975. You mean the Labour Party, in 1975?

promptsed a referendum in 1975 even when you didn't know what the

outcome was going to be. I think I'm the only one still in the party

amongst these four here. I joined the Anti-Common Market League in

1967. He means UKIP. Ed Miliband was right. It a difficult, quite

courageous thing to do. No Prime Minister in his right mind would

like to leave the European Union. No Prime Minister with the biggest

economic crisis in European history would want to put leaving the

European Union on the agenda. Where Cameron was right is the European

Union needs to change and there needs to be a negotiation about

this. This is the worst way to Government you don't set an

ultimatum, set a deadline, lose friends and allies and then say you

are going to do a major piece of manoeuvring. Cameron doesn't have a

single ally amongst European leaders on this so-called

renegotiation. They are interested in building a new country. That's

what the European project is about. Evercloser union is the essence of

this European project and has been since day one. The idea of changing

the preamble to having a looser union is preposterous. The British

people feel profoundly uncomfortable in the European Union.

They thought they were joining a club whose rules didn't change. The

contradiction in the speech is that none of that really deep-seated

discomfort will be dealt with by dangering the CAP for Working Time

Directive. Alan, explain in a sentence Labour's policy on the

referendum. We support the legislation that went through

Parliament that said that if there's a major transfer of power

away from the UK to Brussels, the British people should have a say on

it. We are the only party that gave the British people a say on this

issue. But hold on, in the Commons you voted against that legislation.

But we are now accepting it. explain Labour's policy on an

in/out referendum. We would not put an in/out referendum. This is

entire through wrong time to talk about an in/out referendum. Not

least because it doesn't help you to negotiate the changes. So is

Labour against the referendum? Miliband said the word no when

David Cameron asked him the question. Douglas Alex ander did

the rounds saying it was not like that. Hang on Neil, on devolution

in Scotland we had a referendum. On a London Mayor we will a referendum.

The only referendums in this country about constitutional issues

have been under a Labour Government. Including the one about Europe.

is not the time to be putting an in/out referendum on the table.

we can have one in Scotland about Scottish independence, why not one

in Britain about British independence? We've been in the

European Union, it was two-and-a- half years when we had the

referendum in 1975. I want to ask Shirley William as question. Mr

Cameron's made it clear even if they doesn't get an overall

majority but still stays as Prime Minister in a hung Parliament, he

intends to pursue. This would that be a deal breaker for the Lib Dems

staying in coalition with the Tories? I think pretty clearly. The

Prime Minister said that himself. If you remember, if the Liberal

Democrats or any other party that he might go into coalition with

after the next election if there is no clear majority for the

Conservatives, he would not be able to work with the they didn't accept

the outcome of the negotiation. is it a deal breaker for the Lib

Dems? I expect so and for Labour as well. The Tories aren't going to

ask Labour in a coalition. I could have said the SNP. To stick to this

line, if there is no way they could stay in Government with the Tories,

you could stay in Government and abstain. It is highly unlikely in

practice. Ours is a deeply European part. Will there be a referendum

in/out in 2017? No. Because David Cameron won't be Prime Minister.

Will there? No. Uribe warning, Mr Cameron, they don't believe you.

Now it's late, very late - "Babestation" late. But what does

that actually mean for society, and especially those without a credit

card? Waiting in the wings, comedian Kathryn Ryan, and

broadcaster Lowri Turner, here to talk about the pornification of

society, whether it matters, and what can be done. And for those of

you who certainly don't matter and for whom nothing can be done, you

can register your inconsequential existence on That Twitter, That

Fleecebook, and That Interweb. Now, it's not all been about Europe

this week, you know. It's also been about, well, Europe. That is, the

annual international shindig that takes place in the Swiss Alps

called Davos. The Prime Minister hopped on a plane to join the great

and the good - and some bankers - hoping to talk not just about

Europe. But, well, on the agenda turned out to be, er, Europe. You

get the idea. So, we turned to friend of ours, Laura Kuenssberg,

now Business Editor of ITV News, who certainly thinks there are

other things to think about. This is her rather chilly roundup of the

Winter is truly here. It is properly cold, and as the first

flurry hit, airports and schools around the country were closed. So,

as everything grinds to an icy hat, what better time to try out a new

winter sport. The last time you made me do this, Andrew, we went

skiing. At least I had actually done this before. This time, how

hard ordaining rows can it really -- ordaining rows. The PM had to

navigate some treacherous condition this is week. After binning his big

speech on Europe, new peaks of excitement were reached as he took

the gamble of his Premiership. next Conservative manifesto in 2015

will ask for a mandate from the British people for a Conservative

Government to negotiate a new settlement with our European

partners in the next Parliament. And when we've negotiated that new

settlement, we will give the British people a referendum, with a

very simple inor out choice. might be freezing outside, but it

has warmed up his backbenchers. If the calculated complicated move was

meant to cheer them up, it certainly worked. At least for now.

And Ed Miliband, he might have lost his grip. Of course, he doesn't

want to referendum. At least not that kind. The only thing that's

changed is a few months ago when he said he was against an in/out

referendum is not the situation in Europe but the situation in the

Tory Party. Why doesn't he admit it. He's been driven to it not by the

national interest but been dragged to it by his party? The most basic

question of all is, do you want a referendum? I do. Does he?

position is no, we don't want an in/out referendum. But as Dave

himself once knew, win the toirs start talking about Europe, it is a

slippery slope - fories. And that slides away from what most of us

care about so much more - sorting out the economy. And right now,

that's about as easy as climbing Everest in a pair of trainers.

more concerned about all the cuts at the moment. I think we need to

be worrying more about what's happening at home rather than

Although unemployment continues to defy gravity, the debt mountain is

still high and getting even higher and wages are still stuck in the

Ice Age. Although the IMF warned George Osborne again he might have

to change away from his route to the summit, he is still sticking to

his plan A, even though we know it is going to take longer than he

wanted of the when he and the PM jetted off the snowy climes, it all

inevitably came back to yofrpblt There is a debate under way already

about Britain's place in the European Union. Business know that.

And it is much better to be frank and open about that and set out the

pathway where we are going to resolve this issue in a way that

will actually benefit business, because we'll end up with a more

competitive, more open European Union. But also near the snowy

peaks is a certain former Prime Minister. Got he have to say?

can't be in Britain's interest in the 21st century to leave the

biggest political union, the biggest business and commercial

market in the world. And therefore why put it on the agenda? And why

put it on now? Nearly there. Just days before,

Dave was Khanling his heir to Blair with a sobering statement in the

Commons on the terrorist outrage in Algeria. We must frustrate the

terrorists with our security. We must beat them militarily. We must

address the poisonous narrative they feed on. We must close down

the ungoverned space in which they thrive and deal with the grievances

they use to garden support. It was a tricky week for Prince Harry too.

Happy to be home safely from Afghanistan but in a little bit of

trouble, having had a pop at the press. All it does is upset me and

anger me that they can write what they do, not just about me but

everything. This is hard work but I think we are nearly there. Unlike

the Government, who have got a lot more hard work to do. Because while

the referendum promise caused lots of excitement this week, it will

inevitably die down, the focus return to austerity Britain. And

for more than 5,000 members of the military this week, not Prince

Harry, that meant a different promise of a P456789 Yesterday the

Prime Minister rightly spoke of the urgency of the Islamest terror

threat to the UK from north Africa. But in a carry on regardless

strategy, the next day the Ministry of Defence announces 5,000 Army

redundancies. As the Governor of the Bank of

England so heavily reminded us this week, the economy has probably

caught a chill since the heady days of the summer, so the PM should be

braced for bad GDP numbers in the morning. Possibly the start of that

dreaded triple dip. Although we may have finally reached the top, sad

to say there's a risk. We may all still be going down.

Laura Kuenssberg was actually in Covent Garden but he's got her I on

Everest. Michael, inflation is still high,

it has stopped falling. The economy probably stopped growing in the

last quarter of 2012. The deficit is rising, sterling is slipping,

beyond beelds are up. Living standards are squeezed. In what way

is coalition economic policy working? It is working in the sense

that we are paying 2% for our debt and much of Europe is paying 5%.

That's because of the banks printing so much money. That's not

the Government doing that. The bank wouldn't be doing it without the

Government's permission. But it's the monetary policy in the hands of

the Bank of England. Only by printing money that interest rates

are low. It is not changing any of these things.. Fund mentally

because we are not in the euro that we are able to print our own money

and devalue the pound that. May not be a bad thing. It may be the right

thing to do to remain competitive. My point is the austerity programme

is sufficiently robust for the market to continue to be willing to

lend the Government at 23. You say that but bond yields are rising and

the cost of ensuring British debt sup 70% in the past couple of

months. The markets are beginning to lose confidence in this strategy.

I agree that is exactly what's happening but it hasn't happened

yet. If the Government war to change its plan, white happen

faster. Despite this litany of failures, thrant's more but I --

and there's more, but the polls show people don't trust Labour on

the economy. Why? That will change. I can't answer that question.

can but you just won't. No. I think it is very difficult to turn around

in one parliamentary term. If you lost the last election, and we lost

it, and it was on our watch that the fiscal deficit grew, then it is

very difficult to row that back. $:/STARTFEED. Michael has a tough

job defending that line. We were both Shadow chance lor. When I was

Shadow Chancellor three years ago, George Osborne said to me, the bit

that matters, that we still need there when the economy recovers, it

was 4., he said in three years' time, it will be 1.9. The three

years have passed, it's 4.3 and if it wasn't for the one-off boost of

Post Office pensions, if it wasn't for quantitative easing and for the

mobile spectrum auction which hasn't taken place yet, it would be

4.9. Abject failure that is. Can I make a point that might help Alan

with the answer. Because the situation is as grave as it is,

that's really entered the consciousness and mentality of most

people in the country and it's why they are putting up with falling

living standards and higher taxes and radical reforms to schools and

welfare. It's an historic moment in that sense. The reason it's like

that is that people do believe the situation's bad. The situation

being bad isn't great for the Government but in a way it's not

bad for the Government because people understand the limitations

of what can be done. People expect this to be turning it around.

night's Tory party political broadcast, the Government claimed

it was paying down the debt. That's what it said. In fact, it's

increasing the debt by 60%. Going from �900 billion to �1.5 trillion.

Mr Cameron, is he being deceitful or is he ignorant about economics?

I'm not getting into that! Why not? It's not literally true to say that

we are paying down... Well... What's true is that the deficit

from one year to the next may be reduced. That's entirely different.

The debt and the deficit are not the same thing. Is he hoping that

some of us don't know that snfrpblgt I don't know whether he

wrote the party political broadcast, but what I am saying to you is that

what can be claimed is that it's possible, and I wouldn't put it

higher than that, that the deficit could be reduced from year to year.

It's rising. Exactly. Which is not in the game plan. In north Africa

and Algeria, you listened to Mr Cameron in the Commons Alan, there

were echoes of Mr Blair post-9/11. With we being run by another

interventionist? He did the right thing there and he was very

statesmanlike and he does that very, very well. I think north Africa

which I think Churchill described as the soft underbelly of Europe.

That's unfortunate that the next day came the news about job losses

and there's another tranche to come in 2014. It won't be troops coming

from Afghanistan to get their people, it will be next year and he

really does have to look at this and maybe think that there does

have to be savings in defence. His job is Defence of the Realm.

don't have to be a defence specialist to hear the Prime

Minister saying he'll do whatever it takes to beat the Jihadists

terror, then the next day 5,000 soldiers will be made redundant?

And we are maintaining nuclear deterrent which is of no use to us

what saefr and building aircraft carriers that don't have any

aircraft on them. -- whatsoever. they are than that, it's going

well? No, the British and French policy is to bring down dictators

to create power vacuums. The French government's bolstering its

dictatorship. But Kofi Annan told us last week that it began across

the border from Libya with heavily armed men. Indeed. Prince Harry

hates the media, we saw that in the clip, in the report. Do they treat

him like a hero in Afghanistan anyway? He hates the media.

Remember what happened to his mother, you can understand that.

Other than that, he hates it for other reasons. I kind of feel a lot

of sympathy with him. The association with playing video

games and killing people was very unfortunate, but he's not a

polished media performer. It was a very frank interview and a damaging

one I think. I think it was damaging in some ways. For example,

I think it's made him more of a target. But I think on the other

hand the British public will be so impressed that someone so senior in

the Royal Family is putting himself at risk and is in a combat roll.

saw that in the film. This week isn't a top drawer programme, you

probably worked that out yourself, more like a top shelf programme to

be honest, sometimes some people are ashamed to admit that. Is the

rest of society catching up with our low standards by putting

pressure on polices and parents to stem the flow of indecent images

and material? Maybe. That's why we decided to put pornification in

this week's spotlight. There is the commercialism,

technology and bad sex education? An increasing sexualised society

presents challenges for parents and politicians. This week, our own

Diane Abbott expressed her concerns by suggesting early intervention

was part of the answer. What you have to look at is, children at

primary school age have access to mobile phones and they can access

pornography. Teaching children about this, which is in a general

way suitable for children, has to start at primary school age.

Prime Minister's children's adviser Claire Perry urged parents to snoop

on their kids' mobile exchanges. Phone hacking? Whose responsibility

is it to stop it? In my view it's a partnership. Parents have got to be

confident about taking the responsibility for keeping their

kids safe in the online world as we do in the offline world. Even

academics like Mary Beard aren't safe from the wrath of

sexualisation after she was subject to violent abuse about her

appearance following last week's Question Time. What will it take to

prevent the pornification of society? Diane says a national

conversation will do it, but the way David Cameron's going, we could

get a referendum on it after the next election.

Who is that woman?! Seen her somewhere before, can't quite place

her! Katherine and Lowri, great to see you. Do you agree with Diane

that society's become more sexualised and pornifyed? I think

the consumption rate is quicker because of online pornography and

everything. You used to have to reach it off the top shelf to see

it. Now it's everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. So definitely I would

agree. Lowri, as a parent, do you worry? Children grow up in a world

where it's much easier to come across sex and porn as a child?

Absolutely. I have to say that I feel, as a parent, that the

Government is expecting me to be able to police my children on this

and I asked my son who's almost 13 how he would feel if I read his e-

mails, looked at his Facebook, all that sort of stuff, and he said

"Mum, do you have any idea how many ways I know how to wipe my e-mails

and wipe my search history" and I don't, of course I don't, so

actually, as parents, our kids outclass us on that. That's a

practical reason. But in principle, if you could... No, my mother

didn't read my diary. It's not a bad relationship when you start

reading your husband's e-mails. checked my mobile on my way in. I

cropped things and put things on Instagram. If you live in my house,

if I own you... You don't own anybody though. Well, it depends on

the child and the age and the boundaries being loosened with age

and trust. But there are little girls createle their own

pornography, taking photographs and putting them up on social

networking sites letting their boyfriends or vice versa - probably

never - film them. I asked my son who's at a comprehensive school,

are you aware of this going on and he said no. Now, he's only 13, he's

not 15 or 16 so I don't think it's going on in every classroom.

snooping is not the answer, what is? I want the Government to

enforce something that's there so that when I buy a computer - it's

not just computers, it's PS3s, Xboxs, enforcing a porn-free zone.

So you are not taking responsibility, you are expecting

the Government to? Is that right? As parents, we can't do everything.

But the Government can? Government can force the industry

to take responsibility because they are the ones making all the money.

How long do you think it will take before there is a piece of kit to

stop kids doing that? You should arm kids with self-confidence. We

shouldn't underestimate our children and assume that they are

going to be victims of this porn culture because the girls that I

meet who're friends of my son are not b unconfident. I don't think

they'd be automatically doing stuff that their parents wouldn't like

them to do. You are Canadian, Katherine, is the UK more

sexualised, more into this pornification than other parts of

the world do you think? In my experience, it's definitely

different. I've lived in the UK for a long time, I'm a British mom and

the difference with the girls here is the drinking culture's really

strong and comes into it in lots of ways. I've heard stories of girls

zipping down an alleyway with someone and there's something

sexual, it's not as intimate as a kiss. Have the boys come to exnect

because of the access to porn -- expect this? Social services

celebrated in reality TV, that's everywhere. The drinking cull huh

here is something I've never seen anywhere else before with the young

girls. I mean, not everyone of them, of course not. Channel 4 News,

which is not exactly overreactionary, a couple of weeks

ago, exposed a degree of the sexualisation of texts and e-mails

and so on. It was pretty concerning. They also had evidence that it was

changing, particularly male attitudes to females in a bad way,

in a way that any feminist would be appalled about? I agree. A lot of

this has been framed around almost making the victims of this, the

girls whose images are being circulated, making them feel

responsible. What we should be saying is to our sons, this is not

acceptable. Circulating certain images is illegal and you must

respect women. It becomes part of education both in school and at

home and, as a parent, my job is to have these conversations. My son

will roll his eyes at me, you know, "Here she goes again" but I will do

that. But the question is, are all parents doing this? Would you care

to add to this conversation? must be a nightmare to try and make

these decisions. I entirely agree that your child is your

responsibility and ultimately if things are going badly, you want to

know what is going wrong and need to save that child from a decision.

I also agree that I would have been horrified if my parents were

reading my private materials. My private materials when I was a kid

were not putting me in danger and the private materials of your

daughter could be putting her in danger. I raised two girls in the

70s, but I don't know, there's never been a time where it's been

safe out there for children who do not get the right parental advice

et cetera, but Government ministers should not be lecturing to parents,

number one, and with Lowri and Michael on this issue, I'm with you

about accessing private information. If I would have done that to my

daughter, let alone their mother, there would have been a breakdown

of trust and that, there's no Government way to deal with this.

What we don't know is the long-term impact of this, because this is the

first young generation that's been subjected to almost anything you

want to see on the net. We have no idea where this is going to end and

it may not be good? Bless them because they can almost put

anything on the net. If my daughter wants to keep a hand-written diary

under her web that isn't going out on to the interweb, that's fine. If

it's on the Internet, it's there forever. Thank goodness the

sketches in my diary were not published. We wanted to see them.

What are you up to? Embarking on my UK debut comedy tour next week. I

love the UK comedy scene and am glad to be a part of it. I hope you

will be back soon. Thanks. I'll put a word in with the producer. We are

close. Thank you very much. That's your lot tonight. In a desperate

effort to desexualise high society, Annabel's having a splash theme