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Africa - the world's greatest wilderness. As David Attenborough's | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
landmark series on Africa comes to an end, This Week studies the | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
animals on the political landscape. The only place on Earth to see the | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
full maggesty of nature. Westminster is the place to witness | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
the full majesty of political battle. Pushing, they size each | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
other up. A bruising battle, as David Cameron and his backbenchers | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
fight over gay marriage and the future of the Tory Party. Our very | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
own Michael Portillo assesses who will be left standing. The big | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
beasts are fighting tooth and nail. For David Cameron's party, it is a | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
struggle for survival. Springboks jumping for joy on the plains of | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
South Africa. Back home, Michael Gove has had to change direction | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
over plans to reform GCSEs. Journalist Sarah Smith tries to | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
interpret the different moves. Michael Gove has had to backtrack | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
on his EBacc this week. He is one who will not get full marks. Hidden | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
amongst this maze of water ways is a creature like no other. And Chris | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
Huhne - a very strange political beast, resigns and faces the | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
prospect of prison. David Baddiel looks at the personality of those | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
who live in the spotlight. Being in the public eye, everyone becomes a | :02:00. | :02:09. | |
kind of cartoon. We all know what's happened to you, Andrew! | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
Some enchanting animals in the continent of Africa. Some less | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
enchanting creatures in the Westminster village! | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
Evening all. Welcome to This Week. You find us not angry, not fuming, | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
but in the words of that great statesman Nick Integrity Clegg, | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
shocked and saddened, following the revolution that Chris Huhne no | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
longer has a future in British politics. He has, after years of | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
family trauma, outright denials and expensive attempts to get his case | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
dismissed, finally faced up to the grim truth and the equally grim | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
court of public opinion, confirming they are lies, damn lies and a | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
politician who finally has to stop digging. Mr Huhne claims to have | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
taken responsible. Quickly adding, it was "for something that happened | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
ten years ago.". - it suggests he is still in denial, thinking it was | :03:17. | :03:27. | |
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on out-of-body experience, for an out of body politician. Those of us | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
who have never, ever told a Huhne- like lie are rightly joining the | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
chorus of contem nation against him. That surprises me -- - condemnation | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
against him. That surprises me, I never knew we were all so honest. | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
Let's turn to two who are always sharing points. I am joined on the | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
sofa by two political skeletons, we accidentally dug up and put on | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
display, the bone idle and the Boney M of late-night chat. I speak | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
of #manontheleft Alan 'AJ' Johnson and #sadmanonatrain Michael 'Choo | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
Choo' Portillo. Your moment of the week, Michael? The report into the | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
shocking event at the Staffordshire hospital. I was so disappointed | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
that this report is written in kind of abstract nouns - it's about a | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
culture of bullying and a failure of leadership, and so on. It's not | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
about people. I think it is people who have to be put back into the | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
equation. I was surprised the Prime Minister missed the opportunity to | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
say, what we need are matrons, what we need are people in authority, | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
who show leadership, who are on the wards to know what is going on. He | :04:47. | :04:54. | |
recommended another inspector. That ain't going to do any good. | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
Arab Spring started in Tunisia. It was making the most successful | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
transition to a functioning democracy. The assassination of the | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
opposition politician this week has jeopardised what they call the | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
Jasmine Revolution - that is a terrible shame. Riots I see again | :05:12. | :05:21. | |
on the news. We all love a good knees-up, plenty of pink pounds | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
were spent on Blue Nun. Not every Tory was hosting the happy couples. | :05:28. | :05:35. | |
Some MPs got hot under the colour, some hot under the dog collar. How | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
out of touch is today's Tory Party with public opinion? Who better to | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
ask than a man in touch with his better self-and his public - all | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
three of them, yes it is our own choo choo, here's Michael Portillo | :05:50. | :06:00. | |
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Creatures that cannot adapt die off. If, as conditions around them alter, | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
they cannot evolve, they perish. If a party is called Conservative, | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
that implies it wants to keep things the bay they are, or indeed | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
go back to the way things used to be. That is not a good recipe for | :06:29. | :06:38. | |
survival, because the social climate is always changing. | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Nonetheless, the party has been the great survivor in the political | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
ecology. How have the Conservatives lived on? The key to this | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
fascinating creature is the ability of the head to develop fast, while | :06:54. | :07:04. | |
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the body goes first into spas um Time and again, highly intelligent | :07:07. | :07:14. | |
Conservative lead evers or Homo sapiens have recognised the need | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
for the party to adapt, while their backbenchers or Neanderthals have | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
taken up their clubs and fought for a vanished world. Sir Robert Peel | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
accepted there was no point in the party banging its head against | :07:29. | :07:39. | |
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reforms that were unavoidable. It's not exactly -- they do not | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
survival from tiny adaptations from millennium to millennium, but to | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
sudden leaps forward. Where the head goes forward, the body doesn't | :07:51. | :07:59. | |
follow, or not for a long time, any way. | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
David Cameron is a big-brained home sap piyan, who knows that gay | :08:04. | :08:11. | |
marriage will soon exist. He had only to choose whether to be | :08:11. | :08:21. | |
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reactiontionry or acceptable in its face. When Robert Peel could only | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
pass reforms with the votes of opposition parties, as happened to | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
David Cameron this week, his backbenchers turned on him and the | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
Conservatives became unfit to win a Commons majority for nearly 30 | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
years. David Cameron's electoral prospects seem similarly grim. | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
Peel's party hated them. Now he is recognised at the founder of the | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
new Conservatives. Looking back across geological time, David | :08:52. | :09:02. | |
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Cameron may win the same D Mike frl the Grant Museum of | :09:02. | :09:12. | |
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Zoology, London. -- Michael from Tonight we will to the interview in | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
ancient Greek. Welcome. Did you vote against gay marriage? I did. | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
It would have been a disappointed if you said you hadn't, so we have | :09:30. | :09:38. | |
the right person. Do you see yourself as that... I want to | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
challenge the thesis on P erk el. He opposes -- Peel, he opposes | :09:45. | :09:54. | |
crucial reforms until the last minute. He is opposing Catholic | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
announcation. 1841, he gets elected on a manifesto to defend the corn | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
laws and then changed his mind. What you see, I think, is that the | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Conservative Party has always been rather good at ultimately changing | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
its mind if events overtake it. As it happens, I don't think that is | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
the case in the current circumstances. If it is, the | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
Conservative Party will be perfectly capable of adapting to it, | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
as Robert Peel was able to do in the 1830s and 1840s. You are not on | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
that Bragg show. You are on This Week. Can I get back to the | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
question. Are you a Neanderthal backbencher dieing in the ditch? | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Tories never die in the ditch. We say we will and we never do. Go | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
back to Peel and the Duke of Wellington. Always saying he be | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
carry on... Do you think David Cameron is in tune with the country | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
and that you backbenchers and the grass roots of the country are out | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
of tune? You are longing for a vanished world, says Michael. | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
think Conservatives do have a nostalgic feel. That represents a | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
view of a lot of people in the country. I don't think that is an | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
unattractive part of Conservatism, to look back at our history and see | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
what a great nation we have been and we can be again. There is a lot | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
you can learn from the past and from your history. You have to | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
adapt Conservative principals to what is happening in the modern age. | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
I agree with them that the Conservative Party has in fact been | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
very good at evolving and sometimes its leaders have taken bold | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
decisions which have helped it evolve. Sometimes they have taken | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
decisions which the party hasn't liked and then the leader has found | :11:43. | :11:51. | |
uncomfortable. Will you response on the condition you don't mention | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
Robert Peel or the Duke of Wellington. I am worried about the | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
Conservative Party at the moment. It has not won an election since | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
1992. Given it got 37% at the last election and parties don't increase | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
their share of the vote while in office, I don't see much prospect | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
of them wining the next election, then there'll be a five-year | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
Parliament. That means over a period of 30 years, the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
Conservatives will not have won an election. This is beginning to | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
approach the record. I said that - won't mention the name of the Prime | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
Minister - I mentioned... You are allowed once. After Robert Peel we | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
didn't get a majority for nearly 30 years. We are about to approach | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
that situation, or so it seems to me. I think Jacob is a little too | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
relaxed. I don't think you can say, the Tories all get there in the end. | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
With modern media and so on, the speed of response has changed. | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Unless the Tories adapt quickly to the world which is changing around | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
them, they'll be in trouble. Your modernising agenda has its chance. | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
You are part of the problem, not the solution. You fought the 2010 | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
election on having very little to say about immigration, very little | :13:05. | :13:14. | |
to say about crime. You came out against grammar schools, hug a hody, | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
hug a Husky, huge increases in international aid. Despite all that | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
modernising agenda you could not beat the most unpopular Prime | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
Minister, after being in power for how many years - 13 years. You | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
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$:/STARTFEED. You call it right- wing, maybe having snog say to the | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
C1s and C2s, the aspiring lower and middle class of this country who | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
elect the Governments? One proof we could offer is that we, under | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
Michael Howard and William Hague in 200 1 and 2005, we tried to | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
alternative strategy. That was the Blairite ascendancy. No matter what | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
happened you were going to lose? course we were, but look how badly | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
we lost, savagely. We made no improvement from our position in | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
1997. You always end up on social matters, isn't that your problem? | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
Yound up on the wrong side of history. Not you yourself because | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
you are Catholic, but the huge rump oppose emancipation, the end of | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
hanging and making homosexuality legal in the 1950s. You always end | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
up on the wrong side of an argument which, when you look back at, you | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
think, how did we ever think that? We are worrying about the wrong | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
split actually. I don't think it was Catholic emancipation, it was | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
the corn laws and the split that's got us into trouble is Europe. I | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
don't particularly disagree with the long period of difficulties | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
following a deep split on a major, but not social issue, so we win | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
election in 1841, the next one we win outright is 1874. The corn | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
wars? After splitting over the corn wars. Europe is potentially | :15:19. | :15:26. | |
similar... Potentially was, because the 92-97 period, the party tore | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
itself apart over Maastricht. That led to us being unelectable in 97, | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
going down to a rump party. I think if we look at that now, the Prime | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
Minister's recent European speech has reunited us on Europe for the | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
first time probably since Margaret Thatcher was in charge. That's | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
quite important. Polite enough not to intrude into private grief. | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
I would suggest to you that David Cameron, whether you are on | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
Michael's side or Jacob's side, is Prime Ministerial, the Tories will | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
fight the next election President- style and the Prime Minister goes | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
in as the single biggest asset of the Tories? I'm on Michael's side. | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
It was four years ago when a reactionary Conservative said to me | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
Cameron is trying to change the party to a party of proud | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
homosexuals and proud Etonians. Cameron is the best thing they've | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
got. If he can't change the party and Michael might have done it a | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
bit earlier if he'd been elected as leader. Cameron looks the part but | :16:39. | :16:45. | |
also Cameron actually believes in these things. He's not doing it, I | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
don't believe. There is a change of tack on the NHS, sticking with | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
international development, saying that the minimum wage was the right | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
thing to do, all the things they used to oppose, a party that | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
introduced Clause 28 in terms of the gay community and now promoting | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
gay marriage. He does believe it. If he can't change the party, I | :17:07. | :17:14. | |
feel... No-one else around to do it. Let me put this point to you, | :17:14. | :17:21. | |
Jacob.N't win the election with an overall majority -- if you couldn't | :17:21. | :17:28. | |
win the election with an overall majority,, how could you hope to | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
win an overall majority in 2015? Why did we lose in 2010? First of | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
all, the number of seats we needed to win was gigantic. We were | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
starting with only about 200 seats and needed to get up to 125. That | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
would have been the biggest swing in seats since Baldwin. So that was | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
always unlikely, it's very difficult to do. Second thing is | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
that when a party's going out of Government, there's always the fear | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
factor that there'll be this new party coming in. Labour campaigned | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
on this very effectively in Inner London. In Hammersmith, they said | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
if the Tories get in, you will lose your council flat. A lot of people | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
voted Labour then and for the Liberal Democrats to keep the | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
Tories out. You can win overall majorities in 2015? If we are not | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
losing votes to UKIP because we have settled the European issue, if | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
people aren't voting tactically, we are in a much stronger position to | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
win in 2015 than most people currently say. I'm amazed you say | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
that. You shouldn't be. Whether you are right or wrong one way or the | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
other, thank you. It's way past Jacob's usual bedtime. | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
He's coming home soon, he'll be on his way in time to get the Horlicks | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
on, lay out his favourite silk pajamas and you could sing him to | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
sleep with his favourite lullaby. A quick verse of it later! We have a | :19:04. | :19:11. | |
more than adequate replacement waiting in the wings. David Baddiel | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
is here to explain how having Chris Huhne in the spotlight affects your | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
personality. You can big yourself up on that Twitter, Fleecebook or | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
that vanilla-flavoured interweb. No-one else is going to do it! We | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
know you are an ill-educated lot so we will take it upon ourselves to | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
teach you history. Education Gove would be pleased with us. We have | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
been planning to sit our new Ebaccs. What's that, been cancelled. Oh, | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
well, back to GCSE basket-weaving and disco management. I digress, as | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
archaeologists found King Richard III buried under a car park in | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
Leicester, his unpaid parking tickets are bigger than the | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
national debt. What better time than to revisit this story, | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
Shakespeare the saint, let's say it's the This Week version with | :20:08. | :20:16. | |
Sarah Smith, Channel 4 News starring centre stage. This is a -- | :20:16. | :20:24. | |
her round-up of the week. Since 1483, the King of England had | :20:24. | :20:31. | |
been Richard III. He was not a very nice man at all. Richard III buzz a | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
villain. He had one shoulder higher than the other. A withered arm. | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
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limped. And murdered his way to the throne. Everyone has their own take | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
on Richard's story. Shakespeares is the one we know the best and there | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
are always lessons to be learned from the bard. Chris Huhne, for | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
instance, should have known hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
I've pleaded guilty today. I'm unable to say more while there is | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
an outstanding trial. All the world's a stage and all the men and | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
women merely players. They have their entrances and exits. Well, | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
Chris Huhne's exit will create a whole new drama now as the Tories | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
and the Lib Dems have to fight each other in a by-election in Eastleigh. | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
Can Cameron and Clegg's relaceship survive a battle Royal? Just a | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
minute, there's no proof that Richard killed those princes. | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
had them arrested at a young age. And locked them in the Tower of | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
London and they were never seen again. True. This horrible history | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
play teaches the children about the past, even if the Education | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
Secretary, Michael Gove, might not approve. Well, he can't have | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
everything his own way, as he found out this week and he was forced to | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
revert to an Ebacc. The proposals I put forward were a bridge too far. | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
My idea that we end the competition to end GCSEs in core qualifications | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
and have one exam in each subject was one reform too many at this | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
time. This is a humiliating climb- down. The trouble with this | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
Secretary of State is that he thinks he knows the answer to | :22:22. | :22:32. | |
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everything. So he digs out the fag packets and comes out with the | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
latest weez. What you might call an Ebacc-track. Get it?! Any more U- | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
turns and this place will be a laughing stock. | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
There is a Shakespeare quote for every story, it seems. You could | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
almost have been thinking about the Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust when | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
they wrote a measure for measure, the miserable have no other | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
medicine but only hope. A solemn David Cameron this week admitted | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
they'd been deprived of hope as well. There were patients so | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
desperate for water that they were drinking from dirty flower vases. | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
Many were given the wrong medication, treated roughly or left | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
to wet themselves and then lie in urine for days. On behalf of the | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
Government, and indeed our country, I am truly sorry. | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
David Cameron can't be blamed for NHS failures under a Labour | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
Government, but he does have to make sure that voters trust him to | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
look at the NHS in this age of austerity. Charge, charge, charge... | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
The Army threw themselves at the spike heads of steel. Stop, stop, | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
stop! Nobody uses a hedge of steel any more. We need a thoroughly | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
modern ringfence, just to show we are really serious we'll make it | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
electric. The Chancellor's threat this week to electrify the fence | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
between the investment arms and retail functions of British banks, | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
he tells the voters he's prepared to get tough with the much-hated | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
bankers. Mom rewards for failure, no more too big to fail, no more | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
taxpayers forking out for the mistakes of others. Richard had an | :24:19. | :24:26. | |
ugly face, a hunch upon his back... Forced the poor Elizabeth to marry | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
him alas... In Elizabethan times, no women like me were allowed on | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
stage. Wedding scenes were played out with two men getting married. | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
Repugnant presumably to the majority of today's Tory MPs as | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
more than half of them voted against gay marriage amid scenes of | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
high drama in the Commons. Marriage is the union between a man and a | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
woman, has been historically, remains so. It is Alice in | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
Wonderland territory, Orwellian almost for any Government of any | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
political persuasion to seek to come along and seek to rewrite the | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
lexicon. Are the marriages of millions of straight people about | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
to be threatened because a few thousand gay people are permitted | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
to join? What will they say, darling, our marriage is over, Sir | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
Elton John has just get engaged to David Furnish? I hop opponents will | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
look back in ten years and won't be able to remember what the fuss was | :25:22. | :25:28. | |
about -- I hope. Richard III might not be everybody's political role | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
model but at least he led from the front riding into the Battle of | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
Bosworth. David Cameron championed gay marriage but he was nowhere to | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
be seen during the debate on the frontbench. It's the little things | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
that can lose a crown and lose elections too. Argh... What will | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
David Cameron regret the most in 2015? The split in the party over | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
gay marriage, U-turns and poll say backtracks or the bitter by- | :25:55. | :26:04. | |
election against his Lib Dem colleagues in Eastleigh? The King | :26:04. | :26:14. | |
:26:14. | :26:16. | ||
is dead. Long live the King. Don't worry, she's still alive. Sarah | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
Smith with the cast of Horrible Histories. Miranda Green joins us | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
again, good to have you on the sofa. Who was responsible for the deaths | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
of all these people in the Mid Staffs Hospital? The Chief | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
Executive, the Chairman and the board and the Trust. This was a | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
hospital where they had a receptionist with no medical | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
training making clinical decisions in A&E. They put half the number of | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
staff on the A&E. This was a time when more money than ever before | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
was being put into the NHS. There was a Chief Executive there who | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
decided the way to get Foundation Trust status was to cut the staff. | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
The mystery was why it went on so long and why nobody realised what | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
was happening. Were any of these people summarily fired? Not as | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
summarily as I would have liked. The Chief Executive left with a | :27:09. | :27:16. | |
minute munl of six months pay and now runs a health charity. -- | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
minimum. Were any disciplined? There is a process going through. | :27:20. | :27:28. | |
No-one's yet been struck off? yet, although there's one case. | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
happened in 2005-2008. Noib's been struck off, no-one was fired and | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
why no criminal charges against those running a hospital | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
responsible for killing between 400 and 1,200 people? Well, you have to | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
look at this in the sense that we are talking about a hospital here | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
where their standard mortality ratios every hospital has showed a | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
high level that sent the Healthcare Commission in. Now, I was Secretary | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
of State at the time and asked for an independent inquiry of the case | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
notes of every single death. That is the only way to establish if any | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
of those patients died as a result of the fact that they didn't have | :28:13. | :28:20. | |
enough staff and they weren't... The awful things that went on, I | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
guess the police and CPS would have to have that proved before they | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
could take a case. Is it not the case that people are appalled, not | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
simply because these things happened, but that no-one's seen to | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
pay a penalty for them? Well, this was the public inquiry that the | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
families really wanted. It was a very thorough public inquiry, three | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
volumes. Francis himself said that you cannot lay the blame at | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
anyone's door other than the Trust. That was the point Michael made in | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
his moment of the week? That was his report and actually, I said to | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
Michael, the Prime Minister dealt with this, I thought, in a very | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
mature way. He didn't try and pretend that the report said | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
something it didn't. So if you have a public inquiry, you pay for a | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
public inquiry, it takes that time and produces such a volume, you | :29:11. | :29:21. | |
:29:21. | :29:26. | ||
can't pretend something's in it Why to you think... The man who was | :29:26. | :29:32. | |
part of the �13 billion IT investment into the NHS. It got | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
nowhere. It didn't cost... That was the problem they only spent �2 | :29:37. | :29:44. | |
billion because they could not get it working. Why did Cameron keep | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
him on? Nobody gets fired. It is not about firing him. David Nichol | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
son is a very good leader in the NHS. Didn't seem to be that good | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
when it came to the Mid Staffs hospital. He was called to the | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
inquiry. Francis was clear that David Nichol son should not. Do you | :30:04. | :30:11. | |
still think the NHS is the envy of the world? Yes. That is because you | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
are equating Stafford as if it is the whole of the NHS. Tonight we | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
have learnt there are four other trusts who are being investigated. | :30:22. | :30:29. | |
When the rash Schumachers... Doesn't show how bad it is. No-one | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
is saying Mid Staffs is typical. It is not unique. I think it is unique. | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
Nobody else was cutting staff, nobody else was putting | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
We will find out when we get the other investigations. If you get | :30:48. | :30:55. | |
the standardised mortally rash shows up depending whether it is an | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
elderly population - it does not say that those hospitals are | :30:59. | :31:05. | |
anything like Stafford. There was no hospital, in anyone's experience, | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
that was like Stafford. OK, we stall see. The Eastleigh by- | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
election - what is the significance of this? It is difficult to | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
overstate it, I think. You've got a Liberal Democrats party that needs | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
to prove it's not being destroyed by its coalition relationship with | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
the Conservative Party. You have a Conservative Party which mid-term | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
is extremely worried about its prospects at the next election and | :31:29. | :31:36. | |
whether it is just on a path of decline. You have presumably got a | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
Labour Party which would quite like an historic turn around for that | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
part of the world, for Hampshire - you have these two coalition | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
parties who are presumably going to be unpleasant to each other on the | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
ground and the door step. The leaflets, I dread to think what | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
will be in the leaflets! The first poll shows the Tories three points | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
ahead. Does that surprise you? is what one would expect. The Lib | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
Dems are confident because they are strong locally. They have every | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
single seat on the local council. You win a by-election, you get in | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
there like bindweed and try and hng on so nobody can ever -- hang on so | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
nobody can ever dig you out. The I think there's an added pressure on | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
the Lib Dems because people expect Lib Dems to win by-elections. If | :32:32. | :32:39. | |
they lose it looks worse. What's the thinking behind calling it so | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
quickly? It is February 28th - and it is the Lib Dems who have called | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
it. I think it's, as I mentioned, it is the idea that locally they | :32:50. | :32:57. | |
are very strong. And a longer campaign would mean attrition on | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
that. What is the significance of Eastleigh is that, Tory | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
backbenchers, the dissidents are saying, if you cannot win Eastleigh | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
in these circumstances, you cannot win. I don't think you can reach | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
any such conclusion. It would be extraordinary if the Liberal | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
Democrats were to win given the Chris Huhne situation and their | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
overall level of unpopularity. It would be extraordinary if the | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
Conservatives were to win given they are the Governing party. I | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
don't know where that leaves us. You need Labour votes to go to the | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
Lib Dems, don't you? We have about 8% of the vote in Eastleigh. I | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
don't want the votes to go to UKIP. I am not sure where we want them to | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
go. What is better for you the Lib Dems winning or the Tories winning? | :33:47. | :33:53. | |
I don't know. Pass. This Michael Gove U-turn - is that a victory for | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
the Lib Dems, do you think? It is interesting. I used to cover the | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Department for Education when Alan was one of the ministers in there. | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
I think this is a classic case of the Conservative Government miss | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
reading the Blair years and taking the wrong lessons - this idea you | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
have to be tough, you have to fight the unions, fight everyone. They | :34:15. | :34:20. | |
have made so many enemies, this group of ministers - and finally | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
they've had to listen on something, not just the Lib Dems, but if you | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
have Ofqual saying it will be a disaster and the Select Committee | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
saying it will be... You know if your coalition partners say they | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
will not back it - there are not any friends to back them up. It is | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
a Conservative-led Select Committee. There is no option but to make an | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
enemy of the NUT, because otherwise there would be no progress at all. | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
New Labour did di void and rule. They pushed the NUT out. They did | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
not get very far. They did. They made enormous strides. | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
Come over to the black board.Ly show you in a moment. I told you | :35:02. | :35:12. | |
we're not on the Mervyn Bragg show. Someone was missing, namely | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
#mollythedog. After last week's performance she told her agent she | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
thinks This Week is down market for her. There is a rumour she is going | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
to prevent Newsnight or Question Time. I would not want to alarm | :35:27. | :35:34. | |
anyone doing these jobs, oh, no, not me. Miranda comes cheaper. Alan | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
is better behaved. Michael doesn't make a mess on the studio floor... | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
At least, not any more. Has fame gone to Molly's head. How does | :35:45. | :35:52. | |
being a public figure affect the changes you make. How does being in | :35:52. | :36:01. | |
the spotlight put you in this week's spotlight? | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
I'm innocent of these charges. I intend to fight this in the courts. | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
I am confident that a jury will agree. Being in the spotlight - | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
does it affect a person's personality, or the stories they | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
tell us? Having taken responsibility for something that | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
happened ten years ago, the only proper course of action for me is | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
now to resign my Eastleigh seat in Parliament. As the pressure of | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
expectation drives people to take dangerous risks - their family, | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
their career and ultimately reputation. What does the tail of | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
Chris Huhne -- - tale of Chris Huhne tell us - a family calamity | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
played out in the press and the courts. | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
Even a much-loved Olympian struggles to understand why being | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
one of life winners often means losing so much privacy and control. | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
People weren't judging me on my swimming - they were judging me on | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
the way I look. It is something bizarre. I was like, why? I get in | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
the pool. What does it matter what I look like? How difficult is it to | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
tackle demons to deal with humiliation and failure when it is | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
played out for all to see? So, to those who seek power or revel in | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
the limelight deserve no sympathy when it goes wrong? Should we all | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
accept some responsibility for building up the public characters | :37:31. | :37:37. | |
that will always be privately flawed? | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
I say "guilty." David Baddiel is with us. Definitely guilty. When | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
you are in the public eye and something happens to you, it is | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
different from if you were simply an obscure member of the public. | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
Something like this - you mean something like Chris Huhne? Well | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
nothing like Chris Huhne has happened to me, thankfully! I'm | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
doing this stand-up show next week. The stand-up show is to some extent | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
about the way you are rendered by fans, about the way people | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
understand who you are. My belief is the truth of personality is | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
complex. Everyone is complex. It is very hard for that to stay when | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
you're on TV or in the papers all the time. I am as guilty of | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
thinking that as anyone else. Like most people, you pick him as a liar | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
and a cheat. That is what I thought. To some extent it is true. It is | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
not the whole truth. Those texts between him and his son, they | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
provided a weird empathy for him just as a parent. They were heart- | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
breaking. Suddenly I see this guy and his wider tragedy and wider | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
family experience. Something else - I thought, well, clearly he has | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
created this situation with his son, but the way he's dealing with it is | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
impeccable. He is saying, I love you, maybe one day we can talk | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
about it. It was deeply appropriate parenting. I thought he's not just | :39:05. | :39:15. | |
:39:15. | :39:17. | ||
a liar and a cheat. It's not -- it's that "not just thing." Do we | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
tend, as a nation, to treat these people more harshly. If you were | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
sitting in the pub and a mate comes up and says "I got done for | :39:29. | :39:35. | |
speeding and I slipped the points to the wife. She's got a clean | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
licence 789" would you think that is -- licence." Would you think | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
that is quite lever of you? could say the Queen, for example, | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
is seen as simply good. It doesn't make her not a complex person. What | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
tend to happen with Twitter and all media now is a rush to judge. | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
Twitter has made it worse. It is great in many ways, but it has | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
created a thing in which people feel they can get their own | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
identity on making judgments on others. That gets away from a | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
deeper truth, I think. Do you think that also there are some people | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
being in the public eye constantly - does it change their personality | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
too? It can do. I was interested. I have been in and out of the public | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
eye for 25 years. I think I have an obsessive, compulsive thing about | :40:31. | :40:38. | |
myself. I feel I have a rock-solid personality. My show is about | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
seeing another version of myself. There are other people who rather | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
begin to chase that personality. Who, when they went into it, | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
thought they didn't know who they were and find themselves in toxic | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
and dysfunctional ways in whatever the public thinks they are. Chris | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
Huhne has payed the price for being in the public eye, isn't he? In the | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
sense this would not have happened to somebody not in the public eye. | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
We have been discussing a lot of people who are not going to prison. | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
People who work for the National Health Service, bankers. Traders | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
who are fiddling Libor. There's no hint these people will even be | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
prosecuted. You could say he's paid the price for being a politician. | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
Politicians are more than ever, they are created - they are | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
literally cartoons about them all the time. To be a complex | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
personality and a politician is difficult. | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
He is a politician and he's a politician who won the last | :41:40. | :41:48. | |
election with a lot of emphasis on happy families and all of that. If | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
you a politician, he was an MEP at the time, but if you are | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
representing people, he had a kind of obligation to at least be honest. | :41:59. | :42:07. | |
Could you recover from this? Very different circumstances there was | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
the famous pru few mo scandal, that involved lieing to the House of | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
Commons. His solution was to disappear entirely and do good work | :42:16. | :42:26. | |
in the East end of London. He never became a public figure again. | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
on for so long over what is three points on a licence. A man rich | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
enough to have a shau fer. And who lost his licence because he was | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
caught speaking on a mobile the following week. He was banned. I | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
didn't realise until I read it this morning. After this all he lost his | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
licence any way. A tragedy on one hand and a comedy on the other. He | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
is rushing to get on to a Ryanair flight. It feels small, but at the | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
same time it is grim and extreme. I presume he'll go to prison. After | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
that he may do that thing of going into... At least for a while. | :43:09. | :43:19. | |
:43:19. | :43:23. | ||
while. Both every -- both Jeffery Archer and... You may see him on | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
the This Week sofa. Who knows! doing my show at the Soho theatre | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
all week. Do you take it through the country? It is a work-in- | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
progress show. If it is good I will do it around Edinburgh and around | :43:39. | :43:46. | |
the country. That is your lot from us. We're off to Annabelles - it's | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
charity auction night. After Justin Bieber was auctioned off to the | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
highest bidder, we thought we would do the same with access to Diane | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
Abbott. The reserve is �2.50. We are not sure whether we'll reach | :44:00. | :44:10. | |
:44:10. | :44:10. | ||
it! We leave you with the soap drama Eastleigh-enders. | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
Nighty-night. Can you explain to me who told them | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
this? If anybody has any idea. thought I would go to the press and | :44:20. | :44:29. |