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Africa - the world's greatest wilderness. As David Attenborough's

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landmark series on Africa comes to an end, This Week studies the

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animals on the political landscape. The only place on Earth to see the

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full maggesty of nature. Westminster is the place to witness

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the full majesty of political battle. Pushing, they size each

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other up. A bruising battle, as David Cameron and his backbenchers

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fight over gay marriage and the future of the Tory Party. Our very

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own Michael Portillo assesses who will be left standing. The big

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beasts are fighting tooth and nail. For David Cameron's party, it is a

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struggle for survival. Springboks jumping for joy on the plains of

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South Africa. Back home, Michael Gove has had to change direction

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over plans to reform GCSEs. Journalist Sarah Smith tries to

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interpret the different moves. Michael Gove has had to backtrack

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on his EBacc this week. He is one who will not get full marks. Hidden

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amongst this maze of water ways is a creature like no other. And Chris

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Huhne - a very strange political beast, resigns and faces the

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prospect of prison. David Baddiel looks at the personality of those

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who live in the spotlight. Being in the public eye, everyone becomes a

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kind of cartoon. We all know what's happened to you, Andrew!

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Some enchanting animals in the continent of Africa. Some less

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enchanting creatures in the Westminster village!

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Evening all. Welcome to This Week. You find us not angry, not fuming,

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but in the words of that great statesman Nick Integrity Clegg,

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shocked and saddened, following the revolution that Chris Huhne no

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longer has a future in British politics. He has, after years of

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family trauma, outright denials and expensive attempts to get his case

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dismissed, finally faced up to the grim truth and the equally grim

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court of public opinion, confirming they are lies, damn lies and a

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politician who finally has to stop digging. Mr Huhne claims to have

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taken responsible. Quickly adding, it was "for something that happened

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ten years ago.". - it suggests he is still in denial, thinking it was

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on out-of-body experience, for an out of body politician. Those of us

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who have never, ever told a Huhne- like lie are rightly joining the

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chorus of contem nation against him. That surprises me -- - condemnation

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against him. That surprises me, I never knew we were all so honest.

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Let's turn to two who are always sharing points. I am joined on the

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sofa by two political skeletons, we accidentally dug up and put on

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display, the bone idle and the Boney M of late-night chat. I speak

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of #manontheleft Alan 'AJ' Johnson and #sadmanonatrain Michael 'Choo

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Choo' Portillo. Your moment of the week, Michael? The report into the

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shocking event at the Staffordshire hospital. I was so disappointed

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that this report is written in kind of abstract nouns - it's about a

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culture of bullying and a failure of leadership, and so on. It's not

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about people. I think it is people who have to be put back into the

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equation. I was surprised the Prime Minister missed the opportunity to

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say, what we need are matrons, what we need are people in authority,

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who show leadership, who are on the wards to know what is going on. He

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recommended another inspector. That ain't going to do any good.

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Arab Spring started in Tunisia. It was making the most successful

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transition to a functioning democracy. The assassination of the

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opposition politician this week has jeopardised what they call the

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Jasmine Revolution - that is a terrible shame. Riots I see again

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on the news. We all love a good knees-up, plenty of pink pounds

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were spent on Blue Nun. Not every Tory was hosting the happy couples.

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Some MPs got hot under the colour, some hot under the dog collar. How

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out of touch is today's Tory Party with public opinion? Who better to

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ask than a man in touch with his better self-and his public - all

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three of them, yes it is our own choo choo, here's Michael Portillo

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Creatures that cannot adapt die off. If, as conditions around them alter,

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they cannot evolve, they perish. If a party is called Conservative,

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that implies it wants to keep things the bay they are, or indeed

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go back to the way things used to be. That is not a good recipe for

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survival, because the social climate is always changing.

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Nonetheless, the party has been the great survivor in the political

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ecology. How have the Conservatives lived on? The key to this

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fascinating creature is the ability of the head to develop fast, while

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the body goes first into spas um Time and again, highly intelligent

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Conservative lead evers or Homo sapiens have recognised the need

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for the party to adapt, while their backbenchers or Neanderthals have

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taken up their clubs and fought for a vanished world. Sir Robert Peel

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accepted there was no point in the party banging its head against

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reforms that were unavoidable. It's not exactly -- they do not

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survival from tiny adaptations from millennium to millennium, but to

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sudden leaps forward. Where the head goes forward, the body doesn't

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follow, or not for a long time, any way.

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David Cameron is a big-brained home sap piyan, who knows that gay

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marriage will soon exist. He had only to choose whether to be

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reactiontionry or acceptable in its face. When Robert Peel could only

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pass reforms with the votes of opposition parties, as happened to

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David Cameron this week, his backbenchers turned on him and the

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Conservatives became unfit to win a Commons majority for nearly 30

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years. David Cameron's electoral prospects seem similarly grim.

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Peel's party hated them. Now he is recognised at the founder of the

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new Conservatives. Looking back across geological time, David

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Cameron may win the same D Mike frl the Grant Museum of

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Zoology, London. -- Michael from Tonight we will to the interview in

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ancient Greek. Welcome. Did you vote against gay marriage? I did.

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It would have been a disappointed if you said you hadn't, so we have

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the right person. Do you see yourself as that... I want to

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challenge the thesis on P erk el. He opposes -- Peel, he opposes

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crucial reforms until the last minute. He is opposing Catholic

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announcation. 1841, he gets elected on a manifesto to defend the corn

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laws and then changed his mind. What you see, I think, is that the

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Conservative Party has always been rather good at ultimately changing

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its mind if events overtake it. As it happens, I don't think that is

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the case in the current circumstances. If it is, the

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Conservative Party will be perfectly capable of adapting to it,

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as Robert Peel was able to do in the 1830s and 1840s. You are not on

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that Bragg show. You are on This Week. Can I get back to the

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question. Are you a Neanderthal backbencher dieing in the ditch?

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Tories never die in the ditch. We say we will and we never do. Go

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back to Peel and the Duke of Wellington. Always saying he be

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carry on... Do you think David Cameron is in tune with the country

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and that you backbenchers and the grass roots of the country are out

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of tune? You are longing for a vanished world, says Michael.

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think Conservatives do have a nostalgic feel. That represents a

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view of a lot of people in the country. I don't think that is an

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unattractive part of Conservatism, to look back at our history and see

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what a great nation we have been and we can be again. There is a lot

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you can learn from the past and from your history. You have to

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adapt Conservative principals to what is happening in the modern age.

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I agree with them that the Conservative Party has in fact been

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very good at evolving and sometimes its leaders have taken bold

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decisions which have helped it evolve. Sometimes they have taken

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decisions which the party hasn't liked and then the leader has found

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uncomfortable. Will you response on the condition you don't mention

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Robert Peel or the Duke of Wellington. I am worried about the

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Conservative Party at the moment. It has not won an election since

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1992. Given it got 37% at the last election and parties don't increase

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their share of the vote while in office, I don't see much prospect

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of them wining the next election, then there'll be a five-year

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Parliament. That means over a period of 30 years, the

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Conservatives will not have won an election. This is beginning to

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approach the record. I said that - won't mention the name of the Prime

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Minister - I mentioned... You are allowed once. After Robert Peel we

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didn't get a majority for nearly 30 years. We are about to approach

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that situation, or so it seems to me. I think Jacob is a little too

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relaxed. I don't think you can say, the Tories all get there in the end.

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With modern media and so on, the speed of response has changed.

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Unless the Tories adapt quickly to the world which is changing around

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them, they'll be in trouble. Your modernising agenda has its chance.

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You are part of the problem, not the solution. You fought the 2010

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election on having very little to say about immigration, very little

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to say about crime. You came out against grammar schools, hug a hody,

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hug a Husky, huge increases in international aid. Despite all that

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modernising agenda you could not beat the most unpopular Prime

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Minister, after being in power for how many years - 13 years. You

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$:/STARTFEED. You call it right- wing, maybe having snog say to the

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C1s and C2s, the aspiring lower and middle class of this country who

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elect the Governments? One proof we could offer is that we, under

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Michael Howard and William Hague in 200 1 and 2005, we tried to

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alternative strategy. That was the Blairite ascendancy. No matter what

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happened you were going to lose? course we were, but look how badly

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we lost, savagely. We made no improvement from our position in

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1997. You always end up on social matters, isn't that your problem?

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Yound up on the wrong side of history. Not you yourself because

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you are Catholic, but the huge rump oppose emancipation, the end of

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hanging and making homosexuality legal in the 1950s. You always end

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up on the wrong side of an argument which, when you look back at, you

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think, how did we ever think that? We are worrying about the wrong

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split actually. I don't think it was Catholic emancipation, it was

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the corn laws and the split that's got us into trouble is Europe. I

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don't particularly disagree with the long period of difficulties

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following a deep split on a major, but not social issue, so we win

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election in 1841, the next one we win outright is 1874. The corn

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wars? After splitting over the corn wars. Europe is potentially

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similar... Potentially was, because the 92-97 period, the party tore

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itself apart over Maastricht. That led to us being unelectable in 97,

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going down to a rump party. I think if we look at that now, the Prime

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Minister's recent European speech has reunited us on Europe for the

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first time probably since Margaret Thatcher was in charge. That's

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quite important. Polite enough not to intrude into private grief.

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I would suggest to you that David Cameron, whether you are on

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Michael's side or Jacob's side, is Prime Ministerial, the Tories will

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fight the next election President- style and the Prime Minister goes

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in as the single biggest asset of the Tories? I'm on Michael's side.

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It was four years ago when a reactionary Conservative said to me

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Cameron is trying to change the party to a party of proud

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homosexuals and proud Etonians. Cameron is the best thing they've

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got. If he can't change the party and Michael might have done it a

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bit earlier if he'd been elected as leader. Cameron looks the part but

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also Cameron actually believes in these things. He's not doing it, I

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don't believe. There is a change of tack on the NHS, sticking with

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international development, saying that the minimum wage was the right

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thing to do, all the things they used to oppose, a party that

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introduced Clause 28 in terms of the gay community and now promoting

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gay marriage. He does believe it. If he can't change the party, I

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feel... No-one else around to do it. Let me put this point to you,

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Jacob.N't win the election with an overall majority -- if you couldn't

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win the election with an overall majority,, how could you hope to

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win an overall majority in 2015? Why did we lose in 2010? First of

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all, the number of seats we needed to win was gigantic. We were

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starting with only about 200 seats and needed to get up to 125. That

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would have been the biggest swing in seats since Baldwin. So that was

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always unlikely, it's very difficult to do. Second thing is

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that when a party's going out of Government, there's always the fear

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factor that there'll be this new party coming in. Labour campaigned

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on this very effectively in Inner London. In Hammersmith, they said

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if the Tories get in, you will lose your council flat. A lot of people

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voted Labour then and for the Liberal Democrats to keep the

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Tories out. You can win overall majorities in 2015? If we are not

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losing votes to UKIP because we have settled the European issue, if

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people aren't voting tactically, we are in a much stronger position to

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win in 2015 than most people currently say. I'm amazed you say

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that. You shouldn't be. Whether you are right or wrong one way or the

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other, thank you. It's way past Jacob's usual bedtime.

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He's coming home soon, he'll be on his way in time to get the Horlicks

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on, lay out his favourite silk pajamas and you could sing him to

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sleep with his favourite lullaby. A quick verse of it later! We have a

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more than adequate replacement waiting in the wings. David Baddiel

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is here to explain how having Chris Huhne in the spotlight affects your

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personality. You can big yourself up on that Twitter, Fleecebook or

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that vanilla-flavoured interweb. No-one else is going to do it! We

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know you are an ill-educated lot so we will take it upon ourselves to

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teach you history. Education Gove would be pleased with us. We have

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been planning to sit our new Ebaccs. What's that, been cancelled. Oh,

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well, back to GCSE basket-weaving and disco management. I digress, as

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archaeologists found King Richard III buried under a car park in

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Leicester, his unpaid parking tickets are bigger than the

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national debt. What better time than to revisit this story,

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Shakespeare the saint, let's say it's the This Week version with

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Sarah Smith, Channel 4 News starring centre stage. This is a --

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her round-up of the week. Since 1483, the King of England had

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been Richard III. He was not a very nice man at all. Richard III buzz a

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villain. He had one shoulder higher than the other. A withered arm.

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limped. And murdered his way to the throne. Everyone has their own take

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on Richard's story. Shakespeares is the one we know the best and there

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are always lessons to be learned from the bard. Chris Huhne, for

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instance, should have known hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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I've pleaded guilty today. I'm unable to say more while there is

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an outstanding trial. All the world's a stage and all the men and

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women merely players. They have their entrances and exits. Well,

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Chris Huhne's exit will create a whole new drama now as the Tories

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and the Lib Dems have to fight each other in a by-election in Eastleigh.

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Can Cameron and Clegg's relaceship survive a battle Royal? Just a

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minute, there's no proof that Richard killed those princes.

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had them arrested at a young age. And locked them in the Tower of

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London and they were never seen again. True. This horrible history

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play teaches the children about the past, even if the Education

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Secretary, Michael Gove, might not approve. Well, he can't have

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everything his own way, as he found out this week and he was forced to

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revert to an Ebacc. The proposals I put forward were a bridge too far.

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My idea that we end the competition to end GCSEs in core qualifications

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and have one exam in each subject was one reform too many at this

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time. This is a humiliating climb- down. The trouble with this

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Secretary of State is that he thinks he knows the answer to

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everything. So he digs out the fag packets and comes out with the

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latest weez. What you might call an Ebacc-track. Get it?! Any more U-

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turns and this place will be a laughing stock.

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There is a Shakespeare quote for every story, it seems. You could

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almost have been thinking about the Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust when

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they wrote a measure for measure, the miserable have no other

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medicine but only hope. A solemn David Cameron this week admitted

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they'd been deprived of hope as well. There were patients so

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desperate for water that they were drinking from dirty flower vases.

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Many were given the wrong medication, treated roughly or left

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to wet themselves and then lie in urine for days. On behalf of the

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Government, and indeed our country, I am truly sorry.

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David Cameron can't be blamed for NHS failures under a Labour

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Government, but he does have to make sure that voters trust him to

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look at the NHS in this age of austerity. Charge, charge, charge...

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The Army threw themselves at the spike heads of steel. Stop, stop,

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stop! Nobody uses a hedge of steel any more. We need a thoroughly

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modern ringfence, just to show we are really serious we'll make it

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electric. The Chancellor's threat this week to electrify the fence

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between the investment arms and retail functions of British banks,

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he tells the voters he's prepared to get tough with the much-hated

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bankers. Mom rewards for failure, no more too big to fail, no more

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taxpayers forking out for the mistakes of others. Richard had an

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ugly face, a hunch upon his back... Forced the poor Elizabeth to marry

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him alas... In Elizabethan times, no women like me were allowed on

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stage. Wedding scenes were played out with two men getting married.

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Repugnant presumably to the majority of today's Tory MPs as

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more than half of them voted against gay marriage amid scenes of

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high drama in the Commons. Marriage is the union between a man and a

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woman, has been historically, remains so. It is Alice in

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Wonderland territory, Orwellian almost for any Government of any

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political persuasion to seek to come along and seek to rewrite the

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lexicon. Are the marriages of millions of straight people about

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to be threatened because a few thousand gay people are permitted

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to join? What will they say, darling, our marriage is over, Sir

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Elton John has just get engaged to David Furnish? I hop opponents will

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look back in ten years and won't be able to remember what the fuss was

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about -- I hope. Richard III might not be everybody's political role

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model but at least he led from the front riding into the Battle of

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Bosworth. David Cameron championed gay marriage but he was nowhere to

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be seen during the debate on the frontbench. It's the little things

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that can lose a crown and lose elections too. Argh... What will

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David Cameron regret the most in 2015? The split in the party over

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gay marriage, U-turns and poll say backtracks or the bitter by-

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election against his Lib Dem colleagues in Eastleigh? The King

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is dead. Long live the King. Don't worry, she's still alive. Sarah

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Smith with the cast of Horrible Histories. Miranda Green joins us

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again, good to have you on the sofa. Who was responsible for the deaths

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of all these people in the Mid Staffs Hospital? The Chief

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Executive, the Chairman and the board and the Trust. This was a

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hospital where they had a receptionist with no medical

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training making clinical decisions in A&E. They put half the number of

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staff on the A&E. This was a time when more money than ever before

:26:47.:26:50.

was being put into the NHS. There was a Chief Executive there who

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decided the way to get Foundation Trust status was to cut the staff.

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The mystery was why it went on so long and why nobody realised what

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was happening. Were any of these people summarily fired? Not as

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summarily as I would have liked. The Chief Executive left with a

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minute munl of six months pay and now runs a health charity. --

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minimum. Were any disciplined? There is a process going through.

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No-one's yet been struck off? yet, although there's one case.

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happened in 2005-2008. Noib's been struck off, no-one was fired and

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why no criminal charges against those running a hospital

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responsible for killing between 400 and 1,200 people? Well, you have to

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look at this in the sense that we are talking about a hospital here

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where their standard mortality ratios every hospital has showed a

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high level that sent the Healthcare Commission in. Now, I was Secretary

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of State at the time and asked for an independent inquiry of the case

:28:04.:28:09.

notes of every single death. That is the only way to establish if any

:28:09.:28:13.

of those patients died as a result of the fact that they didn't have

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enough staff and they weren't... The awful things that went on, I

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guess the police and CPS would have to have that proved before they

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could take a case. Is it not the case that people are appalled, not

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simply because these things happened, but that no-one's seen to

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pay a penalty for them? Well, this was the public inquiry that the

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families really wanted. It was a very thorough public inquiry, three

:28:44.:28:47.

volumes. Francis himself said that you cannot lay the blame at

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anyone's door other than the Trust. That was the point Michael made in

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his moment of the week? That was his report and actually, I said to

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Michael, the Prime Minister dealt with this, I thought, in a very

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mature way. He didn't try and pretend that the report said

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something it didn't. So if you have a public inquiry, you pay for a

:29:07.:29:11.

public inquiry, it takes that time and produces such a volume, you

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:29:21.:29:26.

can't pretend something's in it Why to you think... The man who was

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part of the �13 billion IT investment into the NHS. It got

:29:32.:29:37.

nowhere. It didn't cost... That was the problem they only spent �2

:29:37.:29:44.

billion because they could not get it working. Why did Cameron keep

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him on? Nobody gets fired. It is not about firing him. David Nichol

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son is a very good leader in the NHS. Didn't seem to be that good

:29:53.:30:00.

when it came to the Mid Staffs hospital. He was called to the

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inquiry. Francis was clear that David Nichol son should not. Do you

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still think the NHS is the envy of the world? Yes. That is because you

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are equating Stafford as if it is the whole of the NHS. Tonight we

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have learnt there are four other trusts who are being investigated.

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When the rash Schumachers... Doesn't show how bad it is. No-one

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is saying Mid Staffs is typical. It is not unique. I think it is unique.

:30:35.:30:40.

Nobody else was cutting staff, nobody else was putting

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We will find out when we get the other investigations. If you get

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the standardised mortally rash shows up depending whether it is an

:30:55.:30:59.

elderly population - it does not say that those hospitals are

:30:59.:31:05.

anything like Stafford. There was no hospital, in anyone's experience,

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that was like Stafford. OK, we stall see. The Eastleigh by-

:31:10.:31:14.

election - what is the significance of this? It is difficult to

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overstate it, I think. You've got a Liberal Democrats party that needs

:31:18.:31:22.

to prove it's not being destroyed by its coalition relationship with

:31:22.:31:26.

the Conservative Party. You have a Conservative Party which mid-term

:31:26.:31:29.

is extremely worried about its prospects at the next election and

:31:29.:31:36.

whether it is just on a path of decline. You have presumably got a

:31:36.:31:40.

Labour Party which would quite like an historic turn around for that

:31:40.:31:45.

part of the world, for Hampshire - you have these two coalition

:31:45.:31:49.

parties who are presumably going to be unpleasant to each other on the

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ground and the door step. The leaflets, I dread to think what

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will be in the leaflets! The first poll shows the Tories three points

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ahead. Does that surprise you? is what one would expect. The Lib

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Dems are confident because they are strong locally. They have every

:32:11.:32:16.

single seat on the local council. You win a by-election, you get in

:32:16.:32:21.

there like bindweed and try and hng on so nobody can ever -- hang on so

:32:22.:32:28.

nobody can ever dig you out. The I think there's an added pressure on

:32:28.:32:32.

the Lib Dems because people expect Lib Dems to win by-elections. If

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they lose it looks worse. What's the thinking behind calling it so

:32:39.:32:44.

quickly? It is February 28th - and it is the Lib Dems who have called

:32:45.:32:50.

it. I think it's, as I mentioned, it is the idea that locally they

:32:50.:32:57.

are very strong. And a longer campaign would mean attrition on

:32:57.:33:03.

that. What is the significance of Eastleigh is that, Tory

:33:03.:33:07.

backbenchers, the dissidents are saying, if you cannot win Eastleigh

:33:07.:33:11.

in these circumstances, you cannot win. I don't think you can reach

:33:11.:33:15.

any such conclusion. It would be extraordinary if the Liberal

:33:15.:33:19.

Democrats were to win given the Chris Huhne situation and their

:33:19.:33:23.

overall level of unpopularity. It would be extraordinary if the

:33:23.:33:27.

Conservatives were to win given they are the Governing party. I

:33:27.:33:30.

don't know where that leaves us. You need Labour votes to go to the

:33:30.:33:36.

Lib Dems, don't you? We have about 8% of the vote in Eastleigh. I

:33:36.:33:41.

don't want the votes to go to UKIP. I am not sure where we want them to

:33:41.:33:47.

go. What is better for you the Lib Dems winning or the Tories winning?

:33:47.:33:53.

I don't know. Pass. This Michael Gove U-turn - is that a victory for

:33:53.:33:58.

the Lib Dems, do you think? It is interesting. I used to cover the

:33:58.:34:01.

Department for Education when Alan was one of the ministers in there.

:34:01.:34:06.

I think this is a classic case of the Conservative Government miss

:34:06.:34:10.

reading the Blair years and taking the wrong lessons - this idea you

:34:10.:34:15.

have to be tough, you have to fight the unions, fight everyone. They

:34:15.:34:20.

have made so many enemies, this group of ministers - and finally

:34:20.:34:24.

they've had to listen on something, not just the Lib Dems, but if you

:34:24.:34:28.

have Ofqual saying it will be a disaster and the Select Committee

:34:28.:34:32.

saying it will be... You know if your coalition partners say they

:34:32.:34:37.

will not back it - there are not any friends to back them up. It is

:34:38.:34:41.

a Conservative-led Select Committee. There is no option but to make an

:34:41.:34:47.

enemy of the NUT, because otherwise there would be no progress at all.

:34:47.:34:52.

New Labour did di void and rule. They pushed the NUT out. They did

:34:52.:34:57.

not get very far. They did. They made enormous strides.

:34:57.:35:02.

Come over to the black board.Ly show you in a moment. I told you

:35:02.:35:12.

we're not on the Mervyn Bragg show. Someone was missing, namely

:35:12.:35:18.

#mollythedog. After last week's performance she told her agent she

:35:18.:35:24.

thinks This Week is down market for her. There is a rumour she is going

:35:24.:35:27.

to prevent Newsnight or Question Time. I would not want to alarm

:35:27.:35:34.

anyone doing these jobs, oh, no, not me. Miranda comes cheaper. Alan

:35:34.:35:39.

is better behaved. Michael doesn't make a mess on the studio floor...

:35:39.:35:45.

At least, not any more. Has fame gone to Molly's head. How does

:35:45.:35:52.

being a public figure affect the changes you make. How does being in

:35:52.:36:01.

the spotlight put you in this week's spotlight?

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I'm innocent of these charges. I intend to fight this in the courts.

:36:05.:36:11.

I am confident that a jury will agree. Being in the spotlight -

:36:11.:36:17.

does it affect a person's personality, or the stories they

:36:17.:36:20.

tell us? Having taken responsibility for something that

:36:20.:36:24.

happened ten years ago, the only proper course of action for me is

:36:24.:36:30.

now to resign my Eastleigh seat in Parliament. As the pressure of

:36:30.:36:33.

expectation drives people to take dangerous risks - their family,

:36:33.:36:39.

their career and ultimately reputation. What does the tail of

:36:39.:36:44.

Chris Huhne -- - tale of Chris Huhne tell us - a family calamity

:36:44.:36:47.

played out in the press and the courts.

:36:47.:36:52.

Even a much-loved Olympian struggles to understand why being

:36:52.:36:57.

one of life winners often means losing so much privacy and control.

:36:57.:37:02.

People weren't judging me on my swimming - they were judging me on

:37:02.:37:07.

the way I look. It is something bizarre. I was like, why? I get in

:37:07.:37:12.

the pool. What does it matter what I look like? How difficult is it to

:37:13.:37:15.

tackle demons to deal with humiliation and failure when it is

:37:15.:37:22.

played out for all to see? So, to those who seek power or revel in

:37:22.:37:27.

the limelight deserve no sympathy when it goes wrong? Should we all

:37:27.:37:31.

accept some responsibility for building up the public characters

:37:31.:37:37.

that will always be privately flawed?

:37:37.:37:43.

I say "guilty." David Baddiel is with us. Definitely guilty. When

:37:43.:37:47.

you are in the public eye and something happens to you, it is

:37:47.:37:50.

different from if you were simply an obscure member of the public.

:37:50.:37:55.

Something like this - you mean something like Chris Huhne? Well

:37:55.:37:58.

nothing like Chris Huhne has happened to me, thankfully! I'm

:37:58.:38:04.

doing this stand-up show next week. The stand-up show is to some extent

:38:04.:38:09.

about the way you are rendered by fans, about the way people

:38:09.:38:12.

understand who you are. My belief is the truth of personality is

:38:12.:38:16.

complex. Everyone is complex. It is very hard for that to stay when

:38:16.:38:22.

you're on TV or in the papers all the time. I am as guilty of

:38:22.:38:28.

thinking that as anyone else. Like most people, you pick him as a liar

:38:28.:38:33.

and a cheat. That is what I thought. To some extent it is true. It is

:38:33.:38:38.

not the whole truth. Those texts between him and his son, they

:38:38.:38:43.

provided a weird empathy for him just as a parent. They were heart-

:38:43.:38:48.

breaking. Suddenly I see this guy and his wider tragedy and wider

:38:48.:38:52.

family experience. Something else - I thought, well, clearly he has

:38:52.:38:56.

created this situation with his son, but the way he's dealing with it is

:38:56.:39:01.

impeccable. He is saying, I love you, maybe one day we can talk

:39:01.:39:05.

about it. It was deeply appropriate parenting. I thought he's not just

:39:05.:39:15.
:39:15.:39:17.

a liar and a cheat. It's not -- it's that "not just thing." Do we

:39:17.:39:23.

tend, as a nation, to treat these people more harshly. If you were

:39:23.:39:29.

sitting in the pub and a mate comes up and says "I got done for

:39:29.:39:35.

speeding and I slipped the points to the wife. She's got a clean

:39:35.:39:42.

licence 789" would you think that is -- licence." Would you think

:39:42.:39:47.

that is quite lever of you? could say the Queen, for example,

:39:47.:39:51.

is seen as simply good. It doesn't make her not a complex person. What

:39:52.:39:58.

tend to happen with Twitter and all media now is a rush to judge.

:39:58.:40:02.

Twitter has made it worse. It is great in many ways, but it has

:40:02.:40:06.

created a thing in which people feel they can get their own

:40:06.:40:11.

identity on making judgments on others. That gets away from a

:40:11.:40:15.

deeper truth, I think. Do you think that also there are some people

:40:15.:40:19.

being in the public eye constantly - does it change their personality

:40:19.:40:24.

too? It can do. I was interested. I have been in and out of the public

:40:24.:40:31.

eye for 25 years. I think I have an obsessive, compulsive thing about

:40:31.:40:38.

myself. I feel I have a rock-solid personality. My show is about

:40:38.:40:42.

seeing another version of myself. There are other people who rather

:40:42.:40:45.

begin to chase that personality. Who, when they went into it,

:40:45.:40:51.

thought they didn't know who they were and find themselves in toxic

:40:51.:40:56.

and dysfunctional ways in whatever the public thinks they are. Chris

:40:56.:41:00.

Huhne has payed the price for being in the public eye, isn't he? In the

:41:00.:41:04.

sense this would not have happened to somebody not in the public eye.

:41:04.:41:08.

We have been discussing a lot of people who are not going to prison.

:41:08.:41:12.

People who work for the National Health Service, bankers. Traders

:41:12.:41:18.

who are fiddling Libor. There's no hint these people will even be

:41:18.:41:23.

prosecuted. You could say he's paid the price for being a politician.

:41:23.:41:29.

Politicians are more than ever, they are created - they are

:41:29.:41:34.

literally cartoons about them all the time. To be a complex

:41:34.:41:36.

personality and a politician is difficult.

:41:36.:41:40.

He is a politician and he's a politician who won the last

:41:40.:41:48.

election with a lot of emphasis on happy families and all of that. If

:41:48.:41:54.

you a politician, he was an MEP at the time, but if you are

:41:54.:41:59.

representing people, he had a kind of obligation to at least be honest.

:41:59.:42:07.

Could you recover from this? Very different circumstances there was

:42:07.:42:11.

the famous pru few mo scandal, that involved lieing to the House of

:42:11.:42:16.

Commons. His solution was to disappear entirely and do good work

:42:16.:42:26.

in the East end of London. He never became a public figure again.

:42:26.:42:31.

on for so long over what is three points on a licence. A man rich

:42:31.:42:37.

enough to have a shau fer. And who lost his licence because he was

:42:37.:42:41.

caught speaking on a mobile the following week. He was banned. I

:42:41.:42:45.

didn't realise until I read it this morning. After this all he lost his

:42:46.:42:51.

licence any way. A tragedy on one hand and a comedy on the other. He

:42:51.:42:56.

is rushing to get on to a Ryanair flight. It feels small, but at the

:42:56.:43:03.

same time it is grim and extreme. I presume he'll go to prison. After

:43:03.:43:09.

that he may do that thing of going into... At least for a while.

:43:09.:43:19.
:43:19.:43:23.

while. Both every -- both Jeffery Archer and... You may see him on

:43:23.:43:28.

the This Week sofa. Who knows! doing my show at the Soho theatre

:43:29.:43:33.

all week. Do you take it through the country? It is a work-in-

:43:33.:43:39.

progress show. If it is good I will do it around Edinburgh and around

:43:39.:43:46.

the country. That is your lot from us. We're off to Annabelles - it's

:43:46.:43:50.

charity auction night. After Justin Bieber was auctioned off to the

:43:50.:43:54.

highest bidder, we thought we would do the same with access to Diane

:43:54.:44:00.

Abbott. The reserve is �2.50. We are not sure whether we'll reach

:44:00.:44:10.
:44:10.:44:10.

it! We leave you with the soap drama Eastleigh-enders.

:44:10.:44:15.

Nighty-night. Can you explain to me who told them

:44:16.:44:20.

this? If anybody has any idea. thought I would go to the press and

:44:20.:44:29.

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