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$:/STARTFEED. Tonight, join This Week for the

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Great British political menu. For starters, we are serving up, what

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else, horsemeat, with all the trimmings,. Jay Rayner gives his

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review. If the supermarkets are going to make a dog's dinner,

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perhaps it's time for the Government to take the reigns.

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For the main course, we are feeding the squeezed middle. Jane Moore is

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adding extra salt. As the coalition's shaky marriage heads

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towards the rocks of a by-election, I'll be speed dating a selection of

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galloping gourmets. Who will be my Valentine? Is political pudding

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going out of fashion with men in the spotlight feeling the pressure

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to look good, pop sensation Lamar flexes his muscles. You don't get

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these from nothing. Men should take pride in their appearance, just

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like Andrew. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the This Week

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kitchen! Evening all. Welcome to This Week

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where you find us here under starters orders, champing at the

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bit with long faces all round. Despite the revelation that call me

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Dave and Rebekah's horse has rocked up in Black Beauty pudding, when it

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comes to looking a script gift horse in the mouth, we like to

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think we have standards higher than Becher's Brook. Yet we are faced

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with a hurdle that's impossible to clear, namely avoiding the stampede

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of Shergar burger puns being trotted out around the press

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paddock and our week began so promisingly dear viewers. As we

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lounged around the This Week production office twiddling our

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thumbs and fiddling our expenses, the only dead horse we plan to flog

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tonight was sparkling, German and blue. But Azhar old MacMillan once

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said, eventing dear boys. And now we are forced to shut the stable

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door. How can we go on after all this after the puns have already

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bolted? So all we can offer you is our lack of originality is a

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hygiene guarantee of our own. The programme you are about to consume

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contains no contamination from either horse, pork, Donny or

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Newsnight and that's a promise worth making. Speaking of show

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ponies, heading for the glue factory, I'm joined on the sew

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phaetonite by two of Westminster's most valuable studs, the Joan

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Collins and Oliver Tobias of the late-night political chat. I speak

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of Jacqui Smith and Michael Portillo. Your moment of the week?

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Gary walk waug was paid at least �500,000 to be got rid of -- Gary

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Walker. He was made to sign a gagging order. It was an Orwellian

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situation. The National Health Service is causing the deaths of

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patients and it's paying off with masses of taxpayers' money, people

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to two away and say they've found fault with the system, and my quiz

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question for the night is, is there anything that would shame the Head

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of The National Health Service into resigning? Is there anything that

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will shame the Government into firing this man? Interesting. Good

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stuff. Your moment of the week? There's been dancing on the streets

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of Westminster and around the world today as part of the one billion -

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it's not you two - but still time, as part of the one billion rising

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campaign. One billion relates to the one billion women likely to be

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raped or beaten in their lives and this is a campaign where today

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women and the men who want to support them got out on the streets,

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danced and protested. It's a good example of a modern campaign.

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Although in the UK it's been led by Stella Creasey, Shadow Home Office

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Minister, it's cross party and non- party, it uses celebrities and

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social media to spread the word, it's part of a really exciting

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burgeoning new young feminist movement as well, so a very good

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campaign, one I hope for which there'll be a lot of support.

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will go on I suspect. Horsemeat passed off as beef is an issue that

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is not going away. With each day, there's another of Michael's ready

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meals recalled from the shelves. If it carries on like this, he's going

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to waste away. What is to be done and who should take responsibility?

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Who better to ask than food writer Jay Rayner. This is his take of the

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If ever there was a scandal designed for the self-satisfied

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chatter of the British middle classes, it's that involving the

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discovery of horsemeat in cheap ready meals. The argument will be

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familiar, anybody buying overly cheap food gets what they deserve.

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We should all abandon the supermarkets in favour of

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independent shops like this one. In a perfect world, that rhetoric

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would apply. Consumers have a responsibility for what they buy

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and what they eat, but in an age of austerity with wages falling and

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prices rising, food is one of the few things that people can cut back

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on. Consumers cannot be blamed for shopping in the value ranges. The

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blame lies elsewhere. The supermarkets must take some

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responsibility. The sheer economic might of these corporates is

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dangerous. They made this scandal all but inevitable by using their

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huge buyer power by forcing the suppliers to cut corners. There is

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a real economic incenti to pass horse off as its mooing cousin. A

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couple of rib-eyes, please. -- incentive. A proper corporate

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social responsibility must come. In effect, they are custodians of our

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food supply chain, but it's a task in which they've failed dismally,

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they must be called to account. Can Thank you very much. There's a

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problem with regulation of the food industry. I don't think it's

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coincidence that this scandal comes off the back of major cuts to the

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organisations like the Food Standards Agency. I find it galing

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that the Government should have been using the Food Standards

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Agency as a political shield to take the flak while it gets to

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grips with the crisis. If this scandal proves anything,

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it's that these agencies need more powers, not fewer, not something

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this Government supports. If the supermarkets will not police

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themselves with sufficient riggour, the state will have to do it for

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them. Consumer trust depends upon -- rigour.

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Welcome to the programme. Are the supermarkets fundamentally holding

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the responsibility here? They're the ones who label the food and

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they haven't done enough testing as to make sure the labels they put on

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is accurate? Ie been speaking to a number of producers, it's one of

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the things I do, they've all been saying to me for a long time that

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the incredible tight detail, the tight crush on margins that the big

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supermarkets enforce upon their producers was going to lead to

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something or other. None of them foresaw that it would be horsemeat

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instead of beef but they said it was absolutely inevitable. When

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margins are cut that thin and when you are threatened with delisting

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from the big companies, things will happen and they've said it's simply

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a consequence. When I buy a Hamburger that says beef on the

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label and it turns out to be in some cases 100% horse instead, is

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my first port of call of blame the supermarket for misselling?

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Obviously the retailer is responsible for what they've done.

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There is a wider responsibility I think for the way various

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Governments over 20 years, 25 years have allowed that market to develop.

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You can go back to the early 90s when supermarkets expanded. They

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ended up with the big ring road businesses and became dominant in

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the food market. It's the economic mechanism which has resulted in

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this so there is a role for Government and regulation and for

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the supermarkets. I think the big companies should be paying in to a

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central body who police them. The supermarkets have to take

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responsibility, but in the end it's the job of Government to keep them

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isn't it, the Government should have the back spot of regulation

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that makes sure the supermarkets are doing what they should be doing

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and that hasn't happened? One step back. I think British supermarkets

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are superb. I think we get high quality food at good prices,

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although the market's dominated by supermarkets there's intense

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competition between them. When I travel abroad I'm struck by what an

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amazing variety of products there are in the supermarkets. The basic

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problem with Britain today is that you can have little chance of

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ending up in handcuffs. We need more people in handcuffs, we need

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Chief Executives of supermarkets in theory knowing they'll be arrested,

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they should be responsible for the supermarkets. They should know what

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is going on. It isn't the point of this programme at the moment, but

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you can't end up in handcuffs for fixing interest rates or not

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looking after patients in hospitals. People are not going to take

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seriously their responsibilities if they believe they are never going

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to be held accountable for anything. I don't believe creating more

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inspectors of supermarkets is going to solve the problem. There are

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people already responsible, make their truly responsible. It's funny,

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there used to be 1700 inspectors employed by the FSA, now there are

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800 and we have a scandal. The FSA, they hadn't been testing for

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horsemeat since 2003? But you have Trading Standard and Environmental

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Health officers doing spot checks. We have seen massive cuts in

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budgets, 32%. Nobody in the business predicted this was going

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to happen. It is clearly a mess and one of these things... This is not

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ever yet, there'll be a new thing coming out in the next few days.

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Has Labour been right to be scaremongering on this? So far it's

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a food labelling story, not a food safety story? Mary Creagh has been

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active in stark contrast to... In the Select Committee today they

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said the Government should be... Chaired by Anne Mackintosh, the

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Tory MP... Yes and they'd been flat-footed. You had Owen Paterson

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saying he'd eat a Findus lasagne, but you have the Minister for Food

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saying... Unless somebody told him what it was! But the minister

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saying these should be returned to the shop where you bought them from.

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That's a confused message. You need to get to the bottom of it as soon

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as possible, you need to tell the public what they need to know and

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the Government need to get a grip. Do you think they've known? You've

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got Owen Paterson standing there before going into that EU meeting

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yesterday saying there were going to be more raids coming forward, we

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think, although I don't really know. He sounds very, very flat-footed.

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So much food regulation these days isn't done by national Government

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now, it's European? But the national Governments have the

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choice whether to fund the enforcement bodies. I do in one

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regard agree with Michael. I'm not on principle against supermarkets,

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they have been advantageous to food health in Britain, but they have

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too much control of too much of the market.

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Food scares are a nightmare for politicians aren't they? They are

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and this is a prime example. Every scandal, they are so foolish to

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give reassurances, they are urged by the Civil Service to give

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reassurances and it's bonkers. You can't at one moment say it's

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criminal activity which indeed it is and say there's nothing scary

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about it. If it's a criminal activity you have no idea where

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this stuff is coming from or what's been done to it. Why don't you

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bring in the police? This is a scandal, because it's so come pleck,

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people have chosen their targets, so some people who don't like our

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European partners plumped for Romania despite the fact that it

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was Ireland that pointed out the problem to us in the first place.

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Some people who have a thing against supermarkets have chosen to

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focus on supermarkets, I'm not saying you, Jay. Some people who

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are concerned about quangos have chosen to focus on the FSA despite

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the fact this Government took some of their powers back into

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Government at the point at which they... Back into DEFRA? Exactly.

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A lot of reasonably well off broadcasters are saying we need to

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go back to the local butchers, see meat raw again and all the rest of

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it. This is driven by chicks and for a lot of not well off people,

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they are north-wested to buy those things -- forced to buy those

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things? All those culpable, you have the enforcement agencies, the

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investment companies, the Government and supermarkets, right

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down the bottom I think I'm going to put the people who've been

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buying the stuff as culpable, and in fact I wouldn't put them on

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theley. Those consumers are in tight economic circumstances. They

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went and bought either brands or from retailers that they had every

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right to trust and they've been let down. Do you normally think that

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instant mass produced food is cheaper? It's all about economies

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of scale. When you break down some of the deals and what goes into

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this stuff, it's terrifying they've managed to get it at that priesz.

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It does scare me. There's this great myth that the poor are time

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rich and cash poor. But actually, often, they are time poor and cash

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rich, they don't have the time to do these things and the cost-of-

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living is enormous and the proportion of their income. We talk

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about how small a proportion of income, 10-11% food is, not if you

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are on a low income, suddenly it's 30 or 40%. It's unlikely that this

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will change our eating habits very much? We are still going to buy

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modern lifestyles and we'll still go for this stuff? We are seeing

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change, consumer power is calling big businesses to account, like we

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saw in Starbucks. You have electronics companies like Amazon

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producing in dodgy factories. You will see consumer pressure to the

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supermarkets to clean up their act. It's late. Crimewatch Update late,

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damn you Kirsty Young, damn you BBC schedule yulers. But stick with us.

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As if this studio wasn't drop dead gorgeous enough, waiting in the

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wings is Lemar, to talking about the pressure on men to look good.

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And for those of you who want to avoid any form of "internet

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grooming", we do ignore all your desperate pleas for attention on

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the Fleecebook, the Twitter and our website. It wouldn't be right if I

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didn't wish you a happy Valentine's Day, so I take it upon myself to

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fill the gaps in your personal life. We are a romantic lot here on This

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Week. Honestly. It is hard to get Michael to sit on his side of the

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sofa sometimes. But it hadn't been all kisses and cuddles at

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Westminster. The Sun's Jane Moore did get a date tonight. This is her

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So it's Valentine's Day, when romantic and commercially minded

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couples squeeze themselves into restaurants all over the country

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too show their love for one another. Still I suppose we all need

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something to celebrate. What with Ed Miliband pointing out that we're

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all worse off... People are working harder than ever before. But for

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far too many, wages are falling and prices are rising, and they feel

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worse off, not better off. there is one thing I'm not willing

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to compromise on. Also I don't really want to miss out on the

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national "lurve"-a-thon either, so I thought I would try a spot of

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speed dating. I'm so hungry I could eat a horse. Starter, prawn

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mayonnaise. Main course, rib-eye steak and a side-saddle. Dessert

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Red Rum Baba? I hope my first date is more appealing. I know I said I

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wanted a stable relationship but this isn't quite the Italian

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stallion I had in mind. Now Tesco and Findus lasagne is off

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the menu for most, the horsemeat crisis deepens daily. It has become

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a nightmare for David Cameron. Prime Minister is rightly shocked

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that many products contain 100% horse. Does it -- that if tested

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many of his answers may be 100 bull? I really think we've got to

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get a grip of this rather than make a joke about it. But they are so

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tempting. A horse walks into a bar... Time for my next date.

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From man you were to mature. I know I like an older man but I reckon

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his hip goes out more than he does. Still, maybe he will benefit from

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the Government's plans to finance some care for the elderly. One in

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ten of us will spend more than �100,000 on our social care costs.

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By putting a cap in the limit on how much anyone has to pay, we will

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make it possible for people to plan much earlier in their life. First

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their child benefit was cut, then the marriage tax postponed, now the

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inheritance tax pledge abandoned. Little wonder that the Tory middle

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classes are feeling slightly hard done by. Some feel that by paying

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inheritance tax they've already paid the cost of their old care and

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now they are being singled out to pay the cost for others. Time for

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my next date. Let's hope it's an improvement shall we? Hop it,

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granddad. Hello, I don't suppose you get out

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much do you! As Chris Huhne wishes he could turn back the clock, no,

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hang on a mint, maybe not. He awaits his fate, which may be a

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custodial sentence. In his former constituency of Eastleigh, a host

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of suddenly concerned politicians are jockeying for position speed

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dating potential voters. It must be a crucial by-election. You have to

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show that you can hold on to seats like this in the south of England.

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If you cannot, your prospects for the elections are pretty poor.

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confident we will hold on the this seat but not because I say so but

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because the people of Eastleigh like the fact that's Liberal

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Democrats who've been cutting council tax. I've seen a few by-

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elections in my time and nothing settles until all the candidates

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are there. We know from the opinion polls that we are ahead or we are

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just lightly behind, so I think there's a lot to find for. Labour

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is here to set out our one-nation alternative and to give people a

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way of sending a real protest to the G There is this huge issue of

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Romanian and Bulgarian entry next year in unlimited numbers. Jobs and

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house itting are real issues here. A rocky patch in the coalition's

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uneasy marriage. I know you are not supposed to talk

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about politics or religion on a first date but I've messed up on

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the politics already, so I might as well go for broke. So, are you a

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believer? Hang on, are you sure you're looking for a relationship?

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That's a big a shock as the Pope resigning from Vatican City to join

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Vatican United. Is that right? You're jogging -- you're joking,

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the Pope? Oh, my God. Oh, I'm so shocked. He has been such a short

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time with us. Meanwhile Rupert Murdoch has tweeted that he's

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considering putting page 3 out to grass. Mind you, as he's been

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saying that in private for the past decade at least, it is a bit of an

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old horse chestnut, so I wouldn't hold your breath. Time for my last

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day. Maybe topless isn't so bad after

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all! Cheers. They really blew the extras budget

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on that one. That was Jane Moore, with special thanks to Miles of "My

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Cheeky Butler". I must remind you that you can find a full list of

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all the candidates standing in the Eastleigh by-election on the BBC

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News website. We have to do that, so I've done it.

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Michael, can the Tories still hope to win the next election if living

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standards in 2015 are lower than 2010? Yes. Government can win

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elections in all sorts of circumstances. I fleb the 1980

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winning an election with 3 million unemployed. It depends crucially on

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whether people believe that the opposition is ready to take over,

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which is why Ed Miliband's appearance today is quite

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interesting. Mr Miliband, he is going to ask the Reagan question

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used so effectively in 1980. He said, are you better off than you

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were in 1976? Mr Miliband will say, are you better off now than in

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2010? Mr Reagan wasn't in power in 1976 but Mr Miliband was in 2010.

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That's part of the reason why he's not only put in place some headline

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policies that illustrate the economic approach to he wants to

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take, but to put in place with the 10p tax rate a policy that says we

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got it wrong in Government and this is one of the ways in which we are

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going to demonstrate that we've learnt that lesson. Do you think

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that on the scrapping of the 10p tax rate, he said, quote, that was

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a mistake made by Gordon Brown. Will the voters give him credit for

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track his old boss? That is the problem of course with trashing

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your record in Government and continuously apologising for your

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record in Government. To be fair Gordon Brown himself has said he

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was wrong about that decision. bet Gordon is really comfortable

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about the way Ed Miliband said that today. I hope there were no mobile

:26:28.:26:35.

phones lying around. I suspect he will hope Labour wins the next

:26:35.:26:37.

election. It is a tactical thing. It is much more important what's

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happened under the coalition, which has been under a lot of Lib Dem

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pressure, to lift the threshold at which people pay tax to �10,000. If

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you make a 10p tax rate, Miliband said today it was worth �2 a week,

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but once you've taken off the effect on benefits and so on it is

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probably 66p. It is nothing. week? A week. It is a �1,000 band

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at the moment on which the 10p will... That's assuming the mansion

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tax gets you �2 billion. I've seen estimates that suggest you will be

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lucky to get �1 billion. To be fair about the �2 billion, those are

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figures that are based on IFS figures. I think they might be

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based on the Lib Dems. That should give you confidence. That's the

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other point about this, this is the adoption of a policy the Lib Dems

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have promoted. The 10p tax rate, if you increase the rate at which you

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pay tax, you benefit those people at the bottom. If you reintroduce a

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10p tax rate you benefit 25 million basic rate taxpayers as well.

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Except those on the very high. everyone who is paying income tax

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benefits as well: Isn't the reason Ed Miliband said it today is that

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he fierce it is going to be done in a budget? Therefore it is also...

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It is one of the reasons why Gordon Brown wanted rid of it. To make a

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real difference, tour create a 10p tax rate between 9,500 and up to

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12,000, the total cost is �7 billion. That would make a

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difference but there is no mansion tax, unless you want to kill the

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housing market in Britain altogether, that is ever going to

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make �7 billion. The 10p is a �1,000 band today. And raises

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nothing. 67P as Michael says. it makes a very important point for

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all taxpayers and reinforces the argument that Ed Miliband is making.

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An echo of Barack Obama, that the difference a Labour Government

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would take is to build the economy from the middle. But that whole

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squeezed middle is not only the people who are suffering gurks

:29:12.:29:18.

people who will provide the everyone us to grow. Put aside the

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detail. Having interviewed Ed Balls today the details are sketchy.

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Looction at the direction of the travel. Tax the -- location of the

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direction of travel. Use the proceeds to cut the tax of the rest.

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Does that still have potency in the 21st century? I suspect so, as

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there are many more people who regard themselves as poor as rich.

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However, the introduction of a wealth tax, which is what it is, is

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a major step. It breaks with all press den, except that we have been

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before in a situation where you tax people on their assets who may not

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have any income. It generally ends badly, because among the people who

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own these �2 million houses are people who are retired and have no

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income. They are asset rich and income poor. Thefpblts will be

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driven from their houses. They will be driven from their houses.

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other policy is social care and the inheritance tax. Do the

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Government's proposals broadly make sense or not? Well, they broadly

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make sense in as much as they are the model that Andrew Dilnot

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brought forward in terms of the look he took at this. They make

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sense because this is an enormously important area that needs to be

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solved for the long term. The difficulty with them is that while

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they make sense in five years' time they don't solve today's problems.

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They of course in setting the cap at �57,000 set it considerably

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higher than Dilnot profd, therefore impact on fewer people. -- proposed,

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therefore impact on fewer people. $:/STARTFEED. It's potty. They are

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introducing a thing which will penalise everybody by restricting

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the threshold on inheritance tax. So everybody knows they are going

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to be poorer and none of the people who benefit know it will be them

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who benefit. Everybody knows this is about protecting the legacies

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passing from well off people to their well off children. It seems

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ludicrous when we are in a period of austerity to expand ways of

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expanding the welfare state. Isn't the source of this the tuition

:31:53.:31:59.

fees? The Tories made a promise at the last election in 2007 to raise

:31:59.:32:05.

the inheritance tax threshold to �1 million. They are cutting that in

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real terms. For those who voted Tory for that... The irony is that

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that was the promise that stopped Gordon at the election. It's huge.

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Just as the Lib Dem's fees was. And this is too? And all for nothing,

:32:22.:32:31.

for a policy that doesn't make any sense. Final question to you, jack

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quay -- Jacqui. How should Labour fight this. He's the one-nation

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Labour guy so he needs to show well in places like that -- show he can

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do well in places like that. He could let the Tories in because of

:32:49.:32:54.

the Lib Dem votes? It's about trying to get back to the pre-1977

:32:54.:32:58.

situation when we say we could win in the south. What about his

:32:58.:33:04.

dilemma? The better he does has got to be the expense of Lib Dem

:33:04.:33:07.

defectors. The more Lib Dem defectors, the more likely the Tory

:33:07.:33:11.

also win? I think in the long run the most important thing is for him

:33:11.:33:14.

to show that Labour with him in leadership is in a position where

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it could gain the sort of votes in the south where it would be

:33:18.:33:23.

necessary... So if he only comes a half decent third, that's good

:33:23.:33:27.

enough even if it means giving the seat to the Tories? You can't back

:33:27.:33:32.

off on the basis that you might at some point in the future want Lib

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Dem support because he wants to win a majority and the only way you can

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do that is if you are going to get decent votes in places like

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Eastleigh. According to highly reputable

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research which we found on the Internet, faced with a choice of

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candidates for president, more often than not, Americans choose

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the tallest. They also historically tend to go for the heavier. For the

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Republicans looking for a winner for 2016, the obvious one is Chris

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Christie of new Jersey. Why is he getting so much grief for packing

:34:12.:34:18.

the political pounds? All 300 plus of them? We decided it was time to

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weigh up this issue and put male body image in this week's Spotlight.

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Whether it's A listers or politicians, there is strict image

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guidelines and pressure to look the part. Although fashionable facial

:34:47.:34:52.

hair was the accessory on the red carpet, in Westminster, the lack's

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never gone down well. Chris Christie is feeling the brunt

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of an image conscious society with questions raised over what he's too

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fat to be president. Maybe that's why call me Dave's been stepping up

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his exercise regime and revealing this week he got a �7 conditional

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500 discount from his personal trainer. Nick Clegg claiming he's

:35:19.:35:25.

finally off the ciggies and there's been accusations that Harold

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Wilson's pipe has been airbrushed from BBC screens to give him a

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:35:40.:35:42.

Take it from me and I know a lot about male style, if looking good

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is key to popularity, maybe a bit of Lamar's swagger is what

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politicians need to impress the voting public.

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I'm delighted to say we are joined by Lamar. Welcome to This Week. You

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are looking good obviously. Obviously we are too! Obviously,

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yes. Obviously. How much pressure are you under as a man to stay

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looking sharp? I don't know if pressure is the right word, but you

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have to stay conscious of your appearance, especially in a day and

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age where Twitter is massive, the spwe net is, it's a very digital

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age -- Internet. There are lots of uncharitable people out there?

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a bad picture lasts a lifetime these days. People in your position,

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more often than not you have been judging looks rather than music?

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They go hand in hand, you know. It's a very visual age we live in.

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Suppose you put on a few pounds, grew a straggly beard, would that

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affect your career? Would the record company say, what's

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happening?: luckily on this album I'm the record company so no-one

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can tell me anything. What would you say to yourself? Get it in gear,

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come on, look at the way you look, come on! So it would matter?

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depends on the motivation, as long as the motivation's right. If you

:37:17.:37:20.

are staying healthy because people are picking on you, maybe not, but

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if it's because you want to look good, you don't like what you see

:37:24.:37:29.

or you would rather you wore something different, why not.

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Governor Christie too fat to be President? He may be. I think there

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was a President who was his weight but the concern the voters have is,

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will this man last the presidential term because nowadays, so little

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consideration is given to choosing the Vice-President. The Vice-

:37:48.:37:52.

President is chosen for all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do

:37:52.:37:55.

with their suitability to become President if something goes wrong.

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You worry, are you going to get a Sarah Palin who ran for the

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Republicans four or five years ago? So you must worry. People are

:38:06.:38:16.

always poking fun at Eric Pickles. Sometimes cruelly. He's got a way

:38:16.:38:21.

of using his weight to his advantage? Yes, he is funny like

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Chris Christie was there. The idea that I am going to be sympathetic

:38:25.:38:30.

to a bunch of men moaning about the fact that they are getting judged

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on their appearance is a little bit difficult for me. Like you even

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repeating that point. You guys have to get over yourselves and get on

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with it. The thing that often gets people is that politicians are,

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particularly Government ministers and oppositions, are always

:38:49.:38:53.

lecturing us on health and what we should be eating. Smoking - when

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you look at them - they are not the healthiest themselves are they?

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think it takes all sorts, if you are in the public eye inevitably if

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you are waking up seeing images of you that you don't particularly

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like, you are going to make an effort in whatever way to improve

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that. Whether it affects your ability to do your job, I don't

:39:20.:39:27.

know... What's this thing about the Holyrood stars, and you --

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Hollywood stars, and you yourself, like when I asked George Clooney at

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a party myself and Ben Affleck as well. I'm not a name-dropper, but I

:39:37.:39:41.

said, I'll see you tomorrow and Thursday. What's this thing about

:39:41.:39:46.

beards? They are all wearing them at the moment, aren't they? They

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are, yes. I wish I could grow a bit more but my genetics don't allow me.

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This is as good as it gets. Beards have always been a no-no in

:39:58.:40:04.

politics, haven't they, in modern times? Yes, although we showed a

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few there. David Blunkett maybe for special reasons but Robin Cook,

:40:09.:40:19.
:40:19.:40:20.

Alistair Darling, there are some. Things go through phases, don't

:40:20.:40:26.

they. They all got rid of their beards. Perhaps led by Ben Affleck

:40:26.:40:32.

and Lamar, who knows, perhaps we might see more. An incredible

:40:32.:40:37.

amount of work to be done on them, they are sculpted. They are works

:40:37.:40:41.

of art. They are. When you look back at British political history

:40:41.:40:44.

was there ever a time when the three party leaders were just as

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fit looking as they are now? They are all quite young men, very, very

:40:49.:40:53.

presentable, they've got good firks, they make an issue of their health,

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it's a sign of the times, isn't it -- good figures. Men in the public

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eye now, are they not really just having to endure this kind of

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judgment which women in the public eye have always had to endure?

:41:09.:41:19.
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I think so. Because it's such a digital age and one pictures

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travels -- picture travels quickly and one picture lasts a long time,

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people are conscious of their image. BBC Parliament's running footage

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about the Harold Wilson years, there were pictures of Harold

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MacMillan and Mr Douglas-Hulme, looks do seem to matter more now

:41:48.:41:52.

than they do now. Is that the television age? I'm not sure if

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they do, but if they do, it's Lamar's point that we live in this

:41:56.:42:01.

television age where you have to make an impact very quickly on the

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television in photographs and if you can't do that, you... Harold

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Wilson was the man who came into our living room through the

:42:12.:42:17.

television screen and it wasn't good looks. It was the Yorkshire

:42:17.:42:23.

accent, the first TV Prime Minister. Why the Tories picked Heath because

:42:23.:42:31.

they tried to match it. What are you up to? Promoting an album

:42:31.:42:38.

called Invincible. I'm just having a really good time celebrating my

:42:38.:42:43.

fifth album so it's great. Stay off the chips! There you go, I'm

:42:43.:42:45.

trying! That is your lot for tonight. It's

:42:46.:42:49.

not for us though, because with the devastating news that Roman

:42:49.:42:54.

wrestling is to be dropped from the Olympics, Michael's wiping away the

:42:54.:43:04.
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tears and wiping on the baby oil for one last time. We leave you

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tonight with a glorious moment from this week's PMQs, speaker Bercow

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doing his very, very, very, very best... Thank you, Mr Speaker.

:43:24.:43:29.

Schools... Sorry, Mr Speaker, the opposition don't want... Very

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