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Tonight, climb aboard the This Week scooter for a late-night political | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
joy ride. A French President, a beautiful actress, and an oversized | :00:10. | :00:10. | |
crash helmet. joy ride. A French President, | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
Francois Hollande's private life is under scrutiny. Frenchman and | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
footballing grand fromage, David Ginola, revs his engine. This week, | :00:23. | :00:32. | |
the eyes of the world have been on my home country, France. The French | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
president has been experiencing difficulty. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Back on the streets of Westminster, MPs are under attack for spending | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
taxpayer money on having their portraits painted. The Sun's Jane | :00:45. | :00:53. | |
Moore, gets out her paintbrushes. Renaissance man Ed Miliband wants to | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
paint a picture of himself as a man of all the people, taking on the cap | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Mac city, but written's banking boss has given him the brushoff. | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
And if you thought slavery had been abolished years ago, it's time to | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
think again about the modern day slave trade. Action hero journalist | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
Ross Kemp reports back from the front line. The fact is, there are | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
more slaves in the world today than there ever have been. | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
Allo, allo. Did you order a large one with extra hot chillies? | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
Evenin' all. Welcome to This Week, a week in which the world just got | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
stranger, especially in Paris. A week in which, if you open your | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
front door to somebody in a motorcycle helmet, you can't be sure | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
if it's the pizza delivery boy or the President of France. And if a | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
large man with a gun enters your bedroom in the morning, you don't | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
know if you're about to be robbed or he's just delivering the coffee and | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
croissants. A week in which it was not Mr Hollande's affair with an | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
actress that caused French consternation but the fact he used a | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
three-wheeled scooter to get to his liaisons dangereuse. Now that really | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
did undermine the dignity of the republic. Mind you, it's been just | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
as strange on this side of La Manche. Obviously you'd never shell | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
out ?11,500 of your own hard-earned money for this. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
But actually, you did! In fact you've shelled out ?250,000 for MPs | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
to have their portraits painted at the taxpayers' expense. Clever of | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
the artist, however, to catch Mona Diane just as she'd been handed the | :02:30. | :02:30. | |
bill at Annabel's. Speaking of those who are no oil | :02:31. | :02:42. | |
paintings, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by a late night affair that | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
breaks all our hearts. Think of them as the First Lady and First Mistress | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
of late night political chat. I speak, of course, of | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
#sadmanonatrain, Michael Portillo, and #baffled, Diane Abbott. Your | :02:54. | :03:06. | |
moment of the week? For the second week in a row, my moment is provided | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
by Robert Gates, who used to be Defence Secretary of the United | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
States. This week he said he regrets that Britain has put itself in a | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
place where it can no longer provide defence across the spectrum, in a | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
billing it to co-operate with the United States across the spectrum. | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
This has been met with denials in the UK but it seems to me to be a | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
statement of the obvious. Actually, going back to our performance in | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
Basra and in Helmand province, it seems the Americans have concluded | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
we do not have capability across the spectrum. In those cases, our main | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
problem was we did not have enough troop 's. It seems paradoxical that | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
the response of the government has been to cut savagely the number of | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
troops that we have. I thought Robert Gates was speaking nothing | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
less than the truth. Interesting coming from you as a former Defence | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
Secretary. On my painting, it was painted ten years ago and I did not | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
ask to have my portrait painted. You do not look a day older. Actually, | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
it is worth a lot more than ?11,000 now. That is what the House of | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
Commons arts committee told me yesterday. Paintings are the only | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
things the House of Commons spends money on that appreciates in value. | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
However, my moment of the week was today, and George Osborne saying he | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
supports a rise in the minimum wage. It is a reversal of the historic | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
Tory position, but it also shows they are deadly serious about | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
winning the next election. Lots of things from Labour and the Tories | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
now are dubious economics and very good politics. | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
Now, President Hollande gave a two-and-a-half-hour press conference | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
this week. It was carried live on news channels because of their | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
commitment to covering French economic policy. But since most of | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
you have the attention of a gnat we know few of you watched it in its | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
entirety. So in the spirit of public service, for which this show is | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
famed, we have prepared a precis. That's a French word, you know. Here | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
it is. "Monsieur le President, are you | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
shagging that actress"? "No comment". | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
"All right. Let's talk about the economy. Why is it a basket case"? | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
"OK. I am shagging zat actress". You get the gist, or le fin mot, as | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
they say in France. But maybe something's been lost in | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
translation. So we turned to famous French footballer David Ginola. This | :05:38. | :05:38. | |
is his take of the week. This week, the eyes of the world | :05:39. | :05:59. | |
have been on my home country, France. French President Francois | :06:00. | :06:09. | |
Hollande has said he is experiencing difficult times, and he can't | :06:10. | :06:18. | |
understand that, and especially in his private life. As a foot taller | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
macro, it does not matter for the fans if I am having in my private | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
life some problems as far as my foot or is concerned and the results are | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
life -- the results are right. And as a politician, it should be the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
same. It should be exact me the same. | :06:41. | :06:49. | |
At the moment, we live in a crisis period in the entire world. | :06:50. | :07:02. | |
Politicians should be judged by the things they do to change that, and | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
to make a better world, and not being judged by the things they do | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
outside their job. We all do mistakes. I do mistakes. People do | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
mistakes. Our president in France does mistake is, but I don't see why | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
it should be seen as mistakes. If he does love someone else, it is part | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
of life. You can have the right to love someone else. People shouldn't | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
be aware about his private life. But, having said that, you can't ask | :07:40. | :07:48. | |
able to deny the fact that they want to know. They want to know about | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
it. They want to know, actually, everything. We are talking about | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
Francois Hollande being seen all around the world, and the things he | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
has done. I am not sure people will be really concerned. They are just | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
concerned about, oh, strange, we did not think he was capable of doing | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
such things. In a way, it surprised many people, even me. It surprised | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
me a lot. But it does not mean I am looking at him in a worse way. He is | :08:28. | :08:41. | |
human, after all. David, welcome back, good to see | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
you. You are quite right, everybody has the right to a private life, | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
even public figures. But it does not give them the right to do whatever | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
they want, and not expect disclosure, not expected to become | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
public. Of course, especially these days. These days, it is more | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
complicated. You cannot avoid the fact that people are interested in | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
what you are doing as a politician, as a sports man. They want to know | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
everything about you, about your life, what you are doing outside the | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
game, outside politics. This is the worst-case scenario. You to be a | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
role model. When you are a politician, people expect you to do | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
the right thing, to say the right thing at the right time, and this is | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
all about that. When I say that we are all human and I talk about | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
weaknesses in people, we are all going to be judged one day, by God. | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
This is the only one who can judge us. Most of the time when I look at | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
it and I think about myself, people will write something. Someone will | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
write a story, does he look at himself in the mirror? Who is he to | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
tell people other people's story? That is the only thing that annoys | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
me. Talking about the difference between France and England, we are | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
starting to act the same way. The French do not say that. The polls | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
show that around 75 to 80% of the French say they do not care what the | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
president does, where he goes on his motor scooter, but the fact is that | :10:19. | :10:27. | |
the magazine was a sell-out. We have both just come back from France and | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
it is on all the broadcasting. Everybody is talking about it. | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
Because I think this is an amazing story, first of all, because people | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
in France were not expecting Francois Hollande to do something | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
like that, to see him on a mope aired, going with a crash helmet to | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
visit his mistress. It came as a surprise, which is why people wanted | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
to know more about it and how it was possible. Because when he was | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
elected, most of the words used against Sarkozy were clear. There | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
was a lot said about the previous president. So it came as a | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
surprise. People just wanted to know, which was why they bought the | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
magazine, to see the pictures. Because of the French attitude to | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
privacy, people talk about this country being class ridden, but | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
France is a two class system when it comes to political gossip. The Paris | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
in a league has known about this for a long while, as they knew about | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
Mitterrand and Chirac. The ordinary people did not. We live in a very | :11:37. | :11:45. | |
difficult time. We talk about the financial crisis and everything else | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
in the world and Europe, and also in France, and people are expecting, I | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
guess, Francois Hollande to be one of the kind, he was elected to make | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
a change. He was elected by the people because people thought that | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
he was going to work for the people. It does not come as a | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
disappointment. It comes just as, wow! What is going on? It does not | :12:11. | :12:22. | |
make him bad, or a bad person. Do you know what I mean? That is why I | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
said he is human after all. It is all about that. In terms of the | :12:30. | :12:37. | |
media coverage, the keeper of France's nuclear deterrent is | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
running around France on a scooter with minimal security, having an | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
affair and a love nest connected to the Corsican Mafia, he cannot tell | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
us who the first lady is but there is a woman installed as one at | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
taxpayer expense. As a French taxpayer, I am hoping to pay for it. | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
Why is it not in the public interest that we should know that? That is a | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
series of very British questions from a former British editor of a | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
newspaper, not the way that the French see it. I am not sure that is | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
true. I think it has been a wonderful illustration of the | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
difference of two different political cultures that exist within | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
a few miles of each other. I have noticed that all week British | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
journalist have been trying to invent reasons why the President's | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
privacy should be... What is wrong with those reasons? Because they are | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
fatuous. He is going to fire the nuclear deterrent this week, is he? | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
You really think the head of state should be out with one bodyguard | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
going around Paris on a scooter? I think he should do it much more fun. | :13:44. | :13:54. | |
That is a good answer. I think the president of the United States | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
should go to baseball games. Andrew, Jack Kennedy's sex life did | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
not alter the fact that he is widely regarded as one of the greatest | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
American presidents. Not widely by me. Winston Churchill allegedly | :14:08. | :14:15. | |
drank too much. Just cause somebody has a private life that does not | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
bear examination does not mean they cannot be a great statesman. But the | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
French elite has used these attitudes, from politicians, by the | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
way, who do not like the media are doing it, the French elite has used | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
this privacy law to do what they want. Mitterrand praised -- placed | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
his whole unknown second family into French state apartments paid for by | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
the French taxpayer. So? I think you have the right to know that, but... | :14:49. | :14:56. | |
That is the argument. Things have changed significantly in the last | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
ten or 15 years. I think we try to cut the cake -- we try to copycat | :15:01. | :15:08. | |
the English system in terms of gossip, newspapers, magazines. | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
Before that, there were only one or two magazines on a Sunday which were | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
talking about gossip and the life of people in general. Now, there are | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
tens of them. Even so, there is a different and I think it goes to the | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
point about European political union. We are fundamentally | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
different, politically, across Europe. We have completely different | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
cultures. Can I take you away from the EU and back to Francois | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
Hollande? I think French and journalists were right to ask only | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
one question, on who he was having a relationship with, because he was | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
announcing in that press conference a move to the centre right, | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
announcing new payroll taxes, promising to cut public spending. | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
Those are all far more important issues for the French than who he is | :16:01. | :16:10. | |
going to bed with. 70% of the French population think that people are | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
entitled to a private life. That is what they say. Your party suffered | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
on that. Are you telling me that if David Cameron was jumping on a | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
motorbike in two hours' time and nipping around to have an affair | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
with some actress in a dodgy flat owned by the Turkish underground, | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
any paper that revealed that, you would attack? You've... You would | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
attack? You have conflated criminality and actresses and | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
motorbikes. I stick with what David Ginola said so beautifully. People | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
are entitled to a private life. Let me say something about that? As far | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
as you are not breaking any law. I don't see anything bad in that. | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
Obviously, I was talking about a role model, you should have, as a | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
politician. Overall, this is funny. You don't think it is bizarre that | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
the President of France can't tell us who the First Lady is? He will be | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
able to. People are entitled to a private life. It is a different | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
world. That should be respected, too. We should know about it? He is | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
entitled to a private life. We shouldn't know that she is in | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
hospital because of what happened? That should be secret, too? We do | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
know about that. I know about that. People are entitled to a private | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
life, so long as they are not doing something strange with money or | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
breaking the law. Three the one is unfair because there is only the | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
three of them! David, good to see you. . Pleasure. | :17:46. | :17:53. | |
Now it's late - and you're probably drunk enough to paint a portrait of | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
Diane Abbott, but don't clean your brushes with your Blue Nun just yet. | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
Because waiting in the wings, laughing in the face of This Week | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
danger, documentary film-maker and all-round action hero Ross Kemp is | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
here to report back on the scale of modern-day slavery - what he's | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
witnessed and recorded. And if you think we're bothered what you think | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
of us, two little words - Katie Hopkins. Only a show with total | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
disregard for public opinion would have her as a guest. But don't | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
forget you can still moan until the cows come home on The Twitter, | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
complain until your Blue Nun in the face on The Fleecebook, and demand a | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
refund of your licence fee on the Interweb. | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
Now it's been another busy week at with heated rows over the economy, | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
bankers' bonuses, Europe and - I'm sorry, none of these are REAL | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
stories. Can we just have a reminder of our story of the week, please? | :18:45. | :18:56. | |
Yes, there it is. ?11,750 - just imagine how much Blue Nun 12 grand | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
could buy. So with that in mind, we sent the Sun's Jane Moore off to art | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
school for her round-up of the week at Westminster. | :19:05. | :19:17. | |
Quarter of a million for various shades of grey men - and a couple of | :19:18. | :19:31. | |
women? If they had asked me, I would have done it for half the price! | :19:32. | :19:49. | |
Never seen a Lowry before(?) Unless you become Prime Minister, you can | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
pay for your own vanity project and while you are at it, stick it in the | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
down stair's loo of your taxpayer-funded second home! This | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
week, inflation fell to 2%. Only four years late! The PM is not ready | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
to show us the Monet just yet! He does have a clever wheeze to refill | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
Treasury paint pots by telling the country to go and frack itself! It | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
is a lot of money. As soon as a well is dug, the local community should | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
get ?100,000, they should get 1% of the revenues over the life of that | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
well and today we are announcing that the local council should keep | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
100% of the business rate. ?100,000? That won't buy you ten portraits of | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
Diane Abbott! Many in the energy markets doubt whether fracking is | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
all it's fracked up to be. Labour Leader Ed Miliband thinks that we | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
should be drawing from another potential well - bankers. So, this | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
week, he tried to push the PM into limiting bonuses at the bank of you | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
and me, a.k.a. , RBS, to no more than ?1 million. How will they | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
manage? When ordinary families are facing a cost of living crisis, | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
surely he can say that for people earning ?1 million, a bonus of ?1 | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
million should be quite enough? What I have said very clearly is that the | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
remuneration, the total pay bill at that investment bank, must come | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
down. He rises up with all the authority of Reverend Flowers and we | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
still - where is the apology for the mess they made of RBS in the first | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
place? Oh well, that was the end of the supposedly new-look less | :21:38. | :21:48. | |
gladiatorial PMQs - it only lasted a week! No-one is going to paint you | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
looking like that, dear! # I had a picture | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
# Of you in my mind # Never knew it would be so wrong... | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
# Ed wants to be taken seriously as an | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
artist. Keen to paint himself as a people's champion, a man of many | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
colours, not just Red Ed, silly! On Monday, he was the save your of the | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
middle-classes. Tomorrow, he is expected to call for a cap on the | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
big five banks. But the Governor of the Bank of England reckons he | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
should go back to the drawing board. I'm calling this one "Ideas". Just | :22:27. | :22:36. | |
breaking up an institution doesn't necessarily create a viable, a more | :22:37. | :22:46. | |
intensive competitive structure. # I have been looking so long | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
# At these pictures of you... # Many small businesses reckon it is red | :22:53. | :22:54. | |
tape from Brussels that's holding back the economy. And this week, | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
more than 90 Tory MPs wrote to the Prime Minister demanding that | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
Britain should be given the power to veto EU law unilaterally. Nah! We | :23:05. | :23:15. | |
want a different relationship with the European Union that allows | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
democracy, democracy is about the right to make and change your own | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
laws. That's what we are asking Parliament to take back. Clearly, | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
they wish to stiffen their leader's resolve to take on Europe. And of | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
course UKIP, still painting its rosy picture of life outside the EU. The | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
letter prompted an angry brush-off from Tory high command, but a | :23:44. | :23:57. | |
lighter, more pastelly approach from George Osborne. They will have to | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
choose between joining the euro, which the UK will not do, or leaving | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
the European Union. Can't argue with that. Hang on a minute... What I'm | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
not up for is what the Conservative Party appear to be doing more | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
widely, is flirting with exit from the EU, which will be an act of | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
economic suicide. So, the PM is patching up holes and painting over | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
cracks. But when politicians start talking about subjects they really | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
don't want to, it's a clear sign that there is one thing on their | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
mind - an election. Just when Cameron thought he had repositioned | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
the Tory Party as the caring, touchy-feely guys, this happens. | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
People ought to know that if they stuff themselves silly with high | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
calorie rubbish foods, they will get fat. It's their responsibility. | :24:49. | :24:59. | |
Don't beat about the bush Norm(!) Say what you think. My masterpiece | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
is ready. What do you think, Andrew? I tell you what, mate's rates! Yours | :25:07. | :25:21. | |
for ten grand! It's no oil painting! Jane Picasso Moore there. Welcome | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
back. This much-billed speech on economic policy by Ed Miliband | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
tomorrow, turns out not to be about economic policy, turns out to be | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
banking reform. He has had a good run on energy prices. That was a | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
while back now, back to the Labour Conference. He's had a reasonable | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
run on cost of living crisis, but that's beginning to run out of steam | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
now that wages are beginning to overtake prices. Can banking reform | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
fill the gap? Banks are extremely unpopular. It depends what he is | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
saying. He is referring them to the Competition Commission? Yes. | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
LAUGHTER That's excited you(!)! Politically, | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
I see why he is doing it. Michael, what do you think? Help her, | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
Michael. I don't believe what the bankers say about how much pay they | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
need in order to avoid their people being pinched abroad. When goi to | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
Germany, I found the banking system in very good order. I found the gap | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
between the bottom and the top in pay very much narrower than it is | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
here. I don't find Germans are leaving Germany to come and work in | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
Britain. I find when I speak to Germans about this, they say because | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
we pay our people less, for example in the research facilities, we can | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
employ more people. Germany has only major investment bank. That's where | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
the real money is? What I'm saying is I think the Remuneration | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
Committees of banks and the Chairmen of banks are terrified. The | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
shareholders are terrified. I think at some point this terror, this | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
bluff has to be called. I understand that. That would be very popular. | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
That won't be done by a referral to the Competition Commission? No. It's | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
the beginning of a process. Everything the EU does is terrible. | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
I'm not sure trying to limit bonuses is so terrible. Diane... You have to | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
begin somewhere. He has said something nice about Europe? There | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
is that. Shall we have a minute's silence? London has become a casino. | :27:27. | :27:34. | |
Was a casino. It's all been run down now. New York dominates investment | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
banking now. London is over. Then all the more reason. Well, it means | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
you don't have to do very much. Ed Miliband is floundering a bit at | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
PMQs. The polls haven't been going too well. What would you advise? He | :27:50. | :27:59. | |
seemed fine to me. Can you say that with more enthusiasm? What he has to | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
zero in on - and he is - is the fact that even though the macroeconomic | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
numbers look good... They are getting better. They are looking | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
better. Ordinary British voters feel worse off. There's that discrepancy | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
between what the numbers say and people's lives. That's where we have | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
to plant our tent. That is what makes this year so interesting. The | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
pace of recovery has got to be matched by, if the Tories and the | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
coalition want to do well, by a feeling that I'm benefitting, too? | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
Absolutely. You have got the signs that wages might start to pick up. | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
It's been a big delay between the economy starting to recover and | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
people's take-home pay starting to improve. You have had this big move | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
from George Osborne today saying I'm going to recommend correcting the | :28:53. | :28:59. | |
minimum wage back up to... Vince Cable recommended the same thing in | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
September. That is fine, a bit of coalition unity wouldn't go amiss. | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
That is fine. It's all part of this really important theme which is, you | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
know, everybody sharing in the recovery. I think what is | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
interesting about this new Ed Miliband intervention this week | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
saying we are going to rebuild the middle-classes, it is interesting, | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
it might work. I slightly worry for them, though. Who, the | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
middle-classes? For the Labour Party. There is a danger of being | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
seen as a commentator, you know, on public disgruntlement. That is not | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
really enough... What would Labour do to improve the plight of the | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
middle-classes? We talked about a whole series of things. Issues | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
around childcare, fuel prices. Issues around making it a more | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
stable world. What frightens people is uncertainty. Don't look at me | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
like that! Now you have said issues, issues, all the unternty has gone. | :29:58. | :30:15. | |
That is my point. All right, Lord Rennard. Is it not fair to say the | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
Lib Dems have made a mess of the affair? Yes, that is utterly fair. | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
It is really damaging the way this has turned out. We have ended up | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
with a report which was supposed to close it, which is utterly | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
inconclusive. The statement says that on the one hand the women's | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
stories are credible, but on the other hand, the party must not do | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
anything under its own rules. It is a ridiculous situation. Except ask | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
for an apology, which implies responsibility. What would you | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
advise me collect to do? -- Nick Clegg. I think this is one of the | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
moments when the Lib Dems have to realise that their past as a party | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
not in the spotlight is behind them and more ruthlessness is called for. | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
I am told that make Clegg has been speaking to the Lib Dem Chief Whip | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
in the Lords, and privately he wants to withdraw the whip. That is what | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
he wants to do, but under the Lib Dem rules, apparently he needs a | :31:25. | :31:34. | |
majority of Lib Dem peers to agree to this, and he is not sure there is | :31:35. | :31:34. | |
a majority. There is a generational thing here. I think these older Lib | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
Dem peers think he has not really done anything wrong. Maybe been a | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
bit stupid, but he has not done... Which is not what the younger people | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
think. You are right to identify the divide between how the generations | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
view the crimes and misdemeanours under discussion. But also, there | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
are two parallel universes. There is this legalistic universe, the idea | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
that you need a criminal standard of proof for workplace harassment, | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
which is ridiculous, and then there is the real world in which several | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
women came forward with stories that a QC found credible. To ignore it is | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
ridiculous. There are people like that in every party. The Lib Dems' | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
problem is that he was so powerful for a period that all roads lead to | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
him. You could not leave the room or change the subject. The fact is that | :32:30. | :32:37. | |
Nick Clegg needs to clean house. What does Mr Cameron do with his | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
backbenchers, who are banging on about Europe, no matter how much he | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
tells them not to. That is what gets coverage in the Tory press, rather | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
than unemployment and inflation coming down and economic growth | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
picking up. It is a party that longs to fall apart and fight itself on | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
this issue. And to a large extent, it longs to be in opposition so it | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
can have the leisure to do so. It must be exhaust breaking from David | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
Cameron was my point of view, because after all, he made this | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
extraordinary commitment to hold a referendum, should there be another | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
Conservative government, on and in out vote. That was intended to buy | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
off these people. Ten minutes later, 95 of them write a letter | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
saying they want a position for Britain which is wholly inconsistent | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
with membership of the European Union. They are insatiable. They say | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
history doesn't repeat itself but the Tories are destroying themselves | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
over Europe, once again. Now, slavery. We think of it as a | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
blight on generations past, which a more enlightened world has long | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
since banished. Except that it hasn't. Barely a week goes by | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
without horrendous tales of human trafficking becoming public, and | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
that's because the scale of modern-day slavery is far bigger | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
than many people ever imagine. So on the day British-directed and acted | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
12 Years A Slave receives nine Oscar nominations, we've decided to put | :34:04. | :34:04. | |
slavery in tonight's Spotlight. In the week where historical drama | :34:05. | :34:40. | |
12 Years A Slave triumphed at the Golden globes, we are given a | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
sobering reminder that slavery is not necessarily a thing of the | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
past. I have come to India to try to understand its biggest secret dash | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
human trafficking. Ross Kemp witnessed it first hand. The first | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
episode of his new series exposes the vastness and cruelty of human | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
trafficking and child slavery in India. You are saying that you do | :35:03. | :35:15. | |
kill them, that they are killed? This is closer to home than we would | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
like to think. Appearing before the liaison committee this week, David | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
Cameron answered questions on how to root out modern day slavery in the | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
UK. But it is genuinely shocking and Parliament, the House of Commons, | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
has done quite a good job at raising the profile of this issue, opening | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
people's ties to the robber of modern-day slavery. | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
If he caught Benefits Street on Monday he would have seen Romanian | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
immigrants furious about their treatment by their UK employer. | :35:47. | :35:55. | |
Taking our jobs, or exploited for their labour? So, are we too quick | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
to dismiss slavery as a thing of the past. Is it time to face facts and | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
recognise that slavery is not just in the house on Mars? -- in our | :36:06. | :36:15. | |
movie theatres. If anybody thinks slavery is a thing | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
of the past, they will be thinking differently after your show. There | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
are more slaves now than there ever have been. The reason for that is | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
people being displaced, corruption in certain countries, and the | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
disparity between money around the world, the haves and have-nots. It | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
is also cultural, it depends what country you go to. No one really | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
knows how many slaves there are. They estimated to be 30 million | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
people, but no one really knows. I would suggest it is far more than | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
that and it shows no sign, wherever I go, of decreasing. No one is doing | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
anything about it. In India, we were told officially 30,000 girls go | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
missing into the sex trade as slaves every year. We found out it is | :37:01. | :37:07. | |
nearer 100 vows. There are 30 detect it is looking for those 100,000 | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
girls and they have three computers. -- detectives. Lots of the police | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
are involved in trafficking those girls to major cities. The people | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
involved are never held to account. They reckon there are 100,000 people | :37:24. | :37:33. | |
involved in the trade in India. We have it in Britain, too. | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
Undoubtedly. Wherever a culture transfers itself they bring their | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
culture, and it is natural base do so. People do not know much about | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
the Chinese culture here, but sex trafficking among the Chinese is | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
kept under the wire. When I was doing a programme about sex | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
trafficking people from Eastern Europe to hear, we discover that the | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
Vietnamese now control most of the marijuana plants in the UK. And | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
young boys are sold, given by their families in villages to come all the | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
way here, too supposedly work in a restaurant, sometimes given money by | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
the traffickers because they think their son will come back with money, | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
or with a trade. He ends up locked in a suburban house, basically | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
growing marijuana, and the only English that they learn is, I am | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
under 16, so they will not get a sentence. They are fed, given food | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
once a month, and they are locked in and all that they have to do is look | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
after the plants. They electrocute the houses so that if other | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
criminals try to come in, they will get a shock. And if the kid tries to | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
leave, he gets shocked. That is happening under our noses. We broke | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
into six houses in a suburban road in house lump -- south London. | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
Hydroponic plants. There must have been 1000 plants, worth a lot of | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
money. It seems it is on such a scale and probably growing. It is | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
probably worth $1 billion a year. And the forces of law and order are | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
inadequate to the challenge. Here, I do not think we understand the scale | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
of the problem in the UK. People do not want to talk about it. And when | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
do you say, what is bondage, what is slavery? It is not necessarily about | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
having physical handcuffs around you. In India, for instance, if you | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
are tied to a bed, as happens to most of these girls, they are tied | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
up for a year, chained to the bed, only released to go to the toilet | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
and for food, and then chained to the bed. They can never go back to | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
their village. They are shamed. They can never face their families. From | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
that point on, we end the film, because the reason there has been an | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
explosion of HIV is because many people go to India, particularly | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
from other countries in the region, to have unprotected sex because they | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
believe it can cure them from having aids. We finished the film. I say, | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
this is a fantastic country and it spends more money on arms than | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
almost any other country, it has a space programme and it is not really | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
looking after the mothers of its children. It would seem, after the | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
success of 12 Years A Slave, the next Hollywood movie should be | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
slavery today, now. I think slavery is not just a question of cult show. | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
It is also an economic thing. Do you remember those Chinese people who | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
died in Morecambe Bay? They work slaves. You find some people and the | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
gang masters doing agricultural work. We used to call it indentured | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
labour. It is bonded labour. You inherit a debt you have to pay off. | :40:46. | :40:53. | |
They either go up to their waste and water, picking prawns. But | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
generally, you are fourth-generation paying off a debt your | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
great-grandfather owns -- owes. So you are never going to pay it off | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
because the interest they place on it gets higher and higher. Well, I | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
am in shock. I have not had the benefit of seeing this Kim entry | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
yet. I was going to say I look forward to it, but you know what I | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
mean. I need to see it because I had no idea there was anything like | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
this. We think battles have been won and fought against slavery - the | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
American civil war, Wilberforce, a national hero in this country. After | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
Britain's appalling industrialisation of slavery, before | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
then, the role of the Royal Navy in stopping the slave trade from | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
happening. Actually, those problems, the problems now are on | :41:49. | :41:56. | |
almost as great a scale. On a larger scale, and showing no sign of | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
improving, I am afraid. We are not doing enough about it. In the UK and | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
across the world. What is happening is that people are turning a blind | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
eye, because we know what is happening in some of these | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
agricultural, and even, as you say, the houses where they grow | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
marijuana. Most of the marijuana purchased on the streets of Britain | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
now has grown in Britain. We are turning a blind eye. We should not | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
turn a blind eye. Where there are poor and vulnerable people, and | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
there are people willing to exploit them, you will have conditions of | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
quasi slavery. If one of these young girls tries to run away, they just | :42:38. | :42:45. | |
shoot her. Worse. There are many ways of doing it. They honey trap | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
them. The parents are told that the child, rather than growing up in a | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
brick kiln, or up to her waist in 50 degrees heat picking prawns, she | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
will go and work in a town and she will get an education. One of the | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
girls, under the age of ten, I cannot go into detail, but she was | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
raped everywhere for two years. She escaped when she was 12, so she had | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
two years of being abused, sexually abused and as a domestic slave, | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
both. It is commonplace, and it is also accepted. It is the way they | :43:24. | :43:34. | |
look at the class system. The first pogrom goes out on Tuesday at 9pm on | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
sky one. Then we go to Papa New Guinea, where I get held up in the | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
jungle. And we look at the anarchy there. 99% of the women in the north | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
of the country have been abused, a horrific fact. There are more | :43:51. | :44:00. | |
programmes after that. We have run out of time. But I wanted to talk | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
about this. It is a must watch series. | :44:07. | :44:17. | |
That's your lot for tonight, folks. We are going straight to the closing | :44:18. | :44:18. | |
titles. | :44:19. | :44:21. |