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Tonight, climb aboard the This Week scooter for a late-night political

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joy ride. A French President, a beautiful actress, and an oversized

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crash helmet. joy ride. A French President,

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Francois Hollande's private life is under scrutiny. Frenchman and

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footballing grand fromage, David Ginola, revs his engine. This week,

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the eyes of the world have been on my home country, France. The French

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president has been experiencing difficulty.

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Back on the streets of Westminster, MPs are under attack for spending

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taxpayer money on having their portraits painted. The Sun's Jane

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Moore, gets out her paintbrushes. Renaissance man Ed Miliband wants to

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paint a picture of himself as a man of all the people, taking on the cap

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Mac city, but written's banking boss has given him the brushoff.

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And if you thought slavery had been abolished years ago, it's time to

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think again about the modern day slave trade. Action hero journalist

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Ross Kemp reports back from the front line. The fact is, there are

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more slaves in the world today than there ever have been.

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Allo, allo. Did you order a large one with extra hot chillies?

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Evenin' all. Welcome to This Week, a week in which the world just got

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stranger, especially in Paris. A week in which, if you open your

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front door to somebody in a motorcycle helmet, you can't be sure

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if it's the pizza delivery boy or the President of France. And if a

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large man with a gun enters your bedroom in the morning, you don't

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know if you're about to be robbed or he's just delivering the coffee and

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croissants. A week in which it was not Mr Hollande's affair with an

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actress that caused French consternation but the fact he used a

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three-wheeled scooter to get to his liaisons dangereuse. Now that really

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did undermine the dignity of the republic. Mind you, it's been just

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as strange on this side of La Manche. Obviously you'd never shell

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out ?11,500 of your own hard-earned money for this.

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But actually, you did! In fact you've shelled out ?250,000 for MPs

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to have their portraits painted at the taxpayers' expense. Clever of

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the artist, however, to catch Mona Diane just as she'd been handed the

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bill at Annabel's. Speaking of those who are no oil

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paintings, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by a late night affair that

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breaks all our hearts. Think of them as the First Lady and First Mistress

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of late night political chat. I speak, of course, of

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#sadmanonatrain, Michael Portillo, and #baffled, Diane Abbott. Your

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moment of the week? For the second week in a row, my moment is provided

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by Robert Gates, who used to be Defence Secretary of the United

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States. This week he said he regrets that Britain has put itself in a

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place where it can no longer provide defence across the spectrum, in a

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billing it to co-operate with the United States across the spectrum.

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This has been met with denials in the UK but it seems to me to be a

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statement of the obvious. Actually, going back to our performance in

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Basra and in Helmand province, it seems the Americans have concluded

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we do not have capability across the spectrum. In those cases, our main

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problem was we did not have enough troop 's. It seems paradoxical that

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the response of the government has been to cut savagely the number of

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troops that we have. I thought Robert Gates was speaking nothing

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less than the truth. Interesting coming from you as a former Defence

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Secretary. On my painting, it was painted ten years ago and I did not

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ask to have my portrait painted. You do not look a day older. Actually,

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it is worth a lot more than ?11,000 now. That is what the House of

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Commons arts committee told me yesterday. Paintings are the only

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things the House of Commons spends money on that appreciates in value.

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However, my moment of the week was today, and George Osborne saying he

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supports a rise in the minimum wage. It is a reversal of the historic

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Tory position, but it also shows they are deadly serious about

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winning the next election. Lots of things from Labour and the Tories

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now are dubious economics and very good politics.

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Now, President Hollande gave a two-and-a-half-hour press conference

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this week. It was carried live on news channels because of their

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commitment to covering French economic policy. But since most of

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you have the attention of a gnat we know few of you watched it in its

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entirety. So in the spirit of public service, for which this show is

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famed, we have prepared a precis. That's a French word, you know. Here

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it is. "Monsieur le President, are you

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shagging that actress"? "No comment".

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"All right. Let's talk about the economy. Why is it a basket case"?

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"OK. I am shagging zat actress". You get the gist, or le fin mot, as

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they say in France. But maybe something's been lost in

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translation. So we turned to famous French footballer David Ginola. This

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is his take of the week. This week, the eyes of the world

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have been on my home country, France. French President Francois

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Hollande has said he is experiencing difficult times, and he can't

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understand that, and especially in his private life. As a foot taller

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macro, it does not matter for the fans if I am having in my private

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life some problems as far as my foot or is concerned and the results are

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life -- the results are right. And as a politician, it should be the

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same. It should be exact me the same.

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At the moment, we live in a crisis period in the entire world.

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Politicians should be judged by the things they do to change that, and

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to make a better world, and not being judged by the things they do

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outside their job. We all do mistakes. I do mistakes. People do

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mistakes. Our president in France does mistake is, but I don't see why

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it should be seen as mistakes. If he does love someone else, it is part

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of life. You can have the right to love someone else. People shouldn't

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be aware about his private life. But, having said that, you can't ask

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able to deny the fact that they want to know. They want to know about

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it. They want to know, actually, everything. We are talking about

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Francois Hollande being seen all around the world, and the things he

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has done. I am not sure people will be really concerned. They are just

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concerned about, oh, strange, we did not think he was capable of doing

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such things. In a way, it surprised many people, even me. It surprised

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me a lot. But it does not mean I am looking at him in a worse way. He is

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human, after all. David, welcome back, good to see

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you. You are quite right, everybody has the right to a private life,

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even public figures. But it does not give them the right to do whatever

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they want, and not expect disclosure, not expected to become

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public. Of course, especially these days. These days, it is more

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complicated. You cannot avoid the fact that people are interested in

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what you are doing as a politician, as a sports man. They want to know

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everything about you, about your life, what you are doing outside the

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game, outside politics. This is the worst-case scenario. You to be a

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role model. When you are a politician, people expect you to do

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the right thing, to say the right thing at the right time, and this is

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all about that. When I say that we are all human and I talk about

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weaknesses in people, we are all going to be judged one day, by God.

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This is the only one who can judge us. Most of the time when I look at

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it and I think about myself, people will write something. Someone will

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write a story, does he look at himself in the mirror? Who is he to

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tell people other people's story? That is the only thing that annoys

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me. Talking about the difference between France and England, we are

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starting to act the same way. The French do not say that. The polls

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show that around 75 to 80% of the French say they do not care what the

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president does, where he goes on his motor scooter, but the fact is that

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the magazine was a sell-out. We have both just come back from France and

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it is on all the broadcasting. Everybody is talking about it.

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Because I think this is an amazing story, first of all, because people

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in France were not expecting Francois Hollande to do something

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like that, to see him on a mope aired, going with a crash helmet to

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visit his mistress. It came as a surprise, which is why people wanted

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to know more about it and how it was possible. Because when he was

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elected, most of the words used against Sarkozy were clear. There

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was a lot said about the previous president. So it came as a

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surprise. People just wanted to know, which was why they bought the

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magazine, to see the pictures. Because of the French attitude to

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privacy, people talk about this country being class ridden, but

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France is a two class system when it comes to political gossip. The Paris

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in a league has known about this for a long while, as they knew about

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Mitterrand and Chirac. The ordinary people did not. We live in a very

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difficult time. We talk about the financial crisis and everything else

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in the world and Europe, and also in France, and people are expecting, I

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guess, Francois Hollande to be one of the kind, he was elected to make

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a change. He was elected by the people because people thought that

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he was going to work for the people. It does not come as a

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disappointment. It comes just as, wow! What is going on? It does not

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make him bad, or a bad person. Do you know what I mean? That is why I

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said he is human after all. It is all about that. In terms of the

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media coverage, the keeper of France's nuclear deterrent is

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running around France on a scooter with minimal security, having an

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affair and a love nest connected to the Corsican Mafia, he cannot tell

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us who the first lady is but there is a woman installed as one at

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taxpayer expense. As a French taxpayer, I am hoping to pay for it.

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Why is it not in the public interest that we should know that? That is a

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series of very British questions from a former British editor of a

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newspaper, not the way that the French see it. I am not sure that is

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true. I think it has been a wonderful illustration of the

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difference of two different political cultures that exist within

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a few miles of each other. I have noticed that all week British

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journalist have been trying to invent reasons why the President's

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privacy should be... What is wrong with those reasons? Because they are

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fatuous. He is going to fire the nuclear deterrent this week, is he?

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You really think the head of state should be out with one bodyguard

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going around Paris on a scooter? I think he should do it much more fun.

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That is a good answer. I think the president of the United States

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should go to baseball games. Andrew, Jack Kennedy's sex life did

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not alter the fact that he is widely regarded as one of the greatest

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American presidents. Not widely by me. Winston Churchill allegedly

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drank too much. Just cause somebody has a private life that does not

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bear examination does not mean they cannot be a great statesman. But the

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French elite has used these attitudes, from politicians, by the

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way, who do not like the media are doing it, the French elite has used

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this privacy law to do what they want. Mitterrand praised -- placed

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his whole unknown second family into French state apartments paid for by

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the French taxpayer. So? I think you have the right to know that, but...

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That is the argument. Things have changed significantly in the last

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ten or 15 years. I think we try to cut the cake -- we try to copycat

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the English system in terms of gossip, newspapers, magazines.

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Before that, there were only one or two magazines on a Sunday which were

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talking about gossip and the life of people in general. Now, there are

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tens of them. Even so, there is a different and I think it goes to the

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point about European political union. We are fundamentally

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different, politically, across Europe. We have completely different

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cultures. Can I take you away from the EU and back to Francois

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Hollande? I think French and journalists were right to ask only

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one question, on who he was having a relationship with, because he was

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announcing in that press conference a move to the centre right,

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announcing new payroll taxes, promising to cut public spending.

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Those are all far more important issues for the French than who he is

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going to bed with. 70% of the French population think that people are

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entitled to a private life. That is what they say. Your party suffered

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on that. Are you telling me that if David Cameron was jumping on a

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motorbike in two hours' time and nipping around to have an affair

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with some actress in a dodgy flat owned by the Turkish underground,

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any paper that revealed that, you would attack? You've... You would

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attack? You have conflated criminality and actresses and

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motorbikes. I stick with what David Ginola said so beautifully. People

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are entitled to a private life. Let me say something about that? As far

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as you are not breaking any law. I don't see anything bad in that.

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Obviously, I was talking about a role model, you should have, as a

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politician. Overall, this is funny. You don't think it is bizarre that

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the President of France can't tell us who the First Lady is? He will be

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able to. People are entitled to a private life. It is a different

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world. That should be respected, too. We should know about it? He is

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entitled to a private life. We shouldn't know that she is in

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hospital because of what happened? That should be secret, too? We do

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know about that. I know about that. People are entitled to a private

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life, so long as they are not doing something strange with money or

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breaking the law. Three the one is unfair because there is only the

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three of them! David, good to see you. . Pleasure.

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Now it's late - and you're probably drunk enough to paint a portrait of

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Diane Abbott, but don't clean your brushes with your Blue Nun just yet.

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Because waiting in the wings, laughing in the face of This Week

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danger, documentary film-maker and all-round action hero Ross Kemp is

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here to report back on the scale of modern-day slavery - what he's

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witnessed and recorded. And if you think we're bothered what you think

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of us, two little words - Katie Hopkins. Only a show with total

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disregard for public opinion would have her as a guest. But don't

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forget you can still moan until the cows come home on The Twitter,

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complain until your Blue Nun in the face on The Fleecebook, and demand a

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refund of your licence fee on the Interweb.

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Now it's been another busy week at with heated rows over the economy,

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bankers' bonuses, Europe and - I'm sorry, none of these are REAL

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stories. Can we just have a reminder of our story of the week, please?

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Yes, there it is. ?11,750 - just imagine how much Blue Nun 12 grand

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could buy. So with that in mind, we sent the Sun's Jane Moore off to art

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school for her round-up of the week at Westminster.

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Quarter of a million for various shades of grey men - and a couple of

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women? If they had asked me, I would have done it for half the price!

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Never seen a Lowry before(?) Unless you become Prime Minister, you can

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pay for your own vanity project and while you are at it, stick it in the

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down stair's loo of your taxpayer-funded second home! This

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week, inflation fell to 2%. Only four years late! The PM is not ready

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to show us the Monet just yet! He does have a clever wheeze to refill

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Treasury paint pots by telling the country to go and frack itself! It

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is a lot of money. As soon as a well is dug, the local community should

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get ?100,000, they should get 1% of the revenues over the life of that

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well and today we are announcing that the local council should keep

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100% of the business rate. ?100,000? That won't buy you ten portraits of

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Diane Abbott! Many in the energy markets doubt whether fracking is

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all it's fracked up to be. Labour Leader Ed Miliband thinks that we

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should be drawing from another potential well - bankers. So, this

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week, he tried to push the PM into limiting bonuses at the bank of you

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and me, a.k.a. , RBS, to no more than ?1 million. How will they

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manage? When ordinary families are facing a cost of living crisis,

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surely he can say that for people earning ?1 million, a bonus of ?1

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million should be quite enough? What I have said very clearly is that the

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remuneration, the total pay bill at that investment bank, must come

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down. He rises up with all the authority of Reverend Flowers and we

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still - where is the apology for the mess they made of RBS in the first

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place? Oh well, that was the end of the supposedly new-look less

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gladiatorial PMQs - it only lasted a week! No-one is going to paint you

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looking like that, dear! # I had a picture

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# Of you in my mind # Never knew it would be so wrong...

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# Ed wants to be taken seriously as an

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artist. Keen to paint himself as a people's champion, a man of many

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colours, not just Red Ed, silly! On Monday, he was the save your of the

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middle-classes. Tomorrow, he is expected to call for a cap on the

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big five banks. But the Governor of the Bank of England reckons he

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should go back to the drawing board. I'm calling this one "Ideas". Just

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breaking up an institution doesn't necessarily create a viable, a more

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intensive competitive structure. # I have been looking so long

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# At these pictures of you... # Many small businesses reckon it is red

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tape from Brussels that's holding back the economy. And this week,

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more than 90 Tory MPs wrote to the Prime Minister demanding that

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Britain should be given the power to veto EU law unilaterally. Nah! We

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want a different relationship with the European Union that allows

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democracy, democracy is about the right to make and change your own

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laws. That's what we are asking Parliament to take back. Clearly,

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they wish to stiffen their leader's resolve to take on Europe. And of

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course UKIP, still painting its rosy picture of life outside the EU. The

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letter prompted an angry brush-off from Tory high command, but a

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lighter, more pastelly approach from George Osborne. They will have to

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choose between joining the euro, which the UK will not do, or leaving

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the European Union. Can't argue with that. Hang on a minute... What I'm

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not up for is what the Conservative Party appear to be doing more

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widely, is flirting with exit from the EU, which will be an act of

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economic suicide. So, the PM is patching up holes and painting over

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cracks. But when politicians start talking about subjects they really

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don't want to, it's a clear sign that there is one thing on their

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mind - an election. Just when Cameron thought he had repositioned

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the Tory Party as the caring, touchy-feely guys, this happens.

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People ought to know that if they stuff themselves silly with high

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calorie rubbish foods, they will get fat. It's their responsibility.

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Don't beat about the bush Norm(!) Say what you think. My masterpiece

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is ready. What do you think, Andrew? I tell you what, mate's rates! Yours

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for ten grand! It's no oil painting! Jane Picasso Moore there. Welcome

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back. This much-billed speech on economic policy by Ed Miliband

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tomorrow, turns out not to be about economic policy, turns out to be

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banking reform. He has had a good run on energy prices. That was a

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while back now, back to the Labour Conference. He's had a reasonable

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run on cost of living crisis, but that's beginning to run out of steam

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now that wages are beginning to overtake prices. Can banking reform

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fill the gap? Banks are extremely unpopular. It depends what he is

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saying. He is referring them to the Competition Commission? Yes.

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LAUGHTER That's excited you(!)! Politically,

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I see why he is doing it. Michael, what do you think? Help her,

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Michael. I don't believe what the bankers say about how much pay they

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need in order to avoid their people being pinched abroad. When goi to

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Germany, I found the banking system in very good order. I found the gap

:26:22.:26:26.

between the bottom and the top in pay very much narrower than it is

:26:27.:26:31.

here. I don't find Germans are leaving Germany to come and work in

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Britain. I find when I speak to Germans about this, they say because

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we pay our people less, for example in the research facilities, we can

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employ more people. Germany has only major investment bank. That's where

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the real money is? What I'm saying is I think the Remuneration

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Committees of banks and the Chairmen of banks are terrified. The

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shareholders are terrified. I think at some point this terror, this

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bluff has to be called. I understand that. That would be very popular.

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That won't be done by a referral to the Competition Commission? No. It's

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the beginning of a process. Everything the EU does is terrible.

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I'm not sure trying to limit bonuses is so terrible. Diane... You have to

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begin somewhere. He has said something nice about Europe? There

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is that. Shall we have a minute's silence? London has become a casino.

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Was a casino. It's all been run down now. New York dominates investment

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banking now. London is over. Then all the more reason. Well, it means

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you don't have to do very much. Ed Miliband is floundering a bit at

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PMQs. The polls haven't been going too well. What would you advise? He

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seemed fine to me. Can you say that with more enthusiasm? What he has to

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zero in on - and he is - is the fact that even though the macroeconomic

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numbers look good... They are getting better. They are looking

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better. Ordinary British voters feel worse off. There's that discrepancy

:28:15.:28:18.

between what the numbers say and people's lives. That's where we have

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to plant our tent. That is what makes this year so interesting. The

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pace of recovery has got to be matched by, if the Tories and the

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coalition want to do well, by a feeling that I'm benefitting, too?

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Absolutely. You have got the signs that wages might start to pick up.

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It's been a big delay between the economy starting to recover and

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people's take-home pay starting to improve. You have had this big move

:28:48.:28:52.

from George Osborne today saying I'm going to recommend correcting the

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minimum wage back up to... Vince Cable recommended the same thing in

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September. That is fine, a bit of coalition unity wouldn't go amiss.

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That is fine. It's all part of this really important theme which is, you

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know, everybody sharing in the recovery. I think what is

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interesting about this new Ed Miliband intervention this week

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saying we are going to rebuild the middle-classes, it is interesting,

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it might work. I slightly worry for them, though. Who, the

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middle-classes? For the Labour Party. There is a danger of being

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seen as a commentator, you know, on public disgruntlement. That is not

:29:33.:29:36.

really enough... What would Labour do to improve the plight of the

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middle-classes? We talked about a whole series of things. Issues

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around childcare, fuel prices. Issues around making it a more

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stable world. What frightens people is uncertainty. Don't look at me

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like that! Now you have said issues, issues, all the unternty has gone.

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That is my point. All right, Lord Rennard. Is it not fair to say the

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Lib Dems have made a mess of the affair? Yes, that is utterly fair.

:30:23.:30:26.

It is really damaging the way this has turned out. We have ended up

:30:27.:30:30.

with a report which was supposed to close it, which is utterly

:30:31.:30:37.

inconclusive. The statement says that on the one hand the women's

:30:38.:30:42.

stories are credible, but on the other hand, the party must not do

:30:43.:30:47.

anything under its own rules. It is a ridiculous situation. Except ask

:30:48.:30:52.

for an apology, which implies responsibility. What would you

:30:53.:31:00.

advise me collect to do? -- Nick Clegg. I think this is one of the

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moments when the Lib Dems have to realise that their past as a party

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not in the spotlight is behind them and more ruthlessness is called for.

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I am told that make Clegg has been speaking to the Lib Dem Chief Whip

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in the Lords, and privately he wants to withdraw the whip. That is what

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he wants to do, but under the Lib Dem rules, apparently he needs a

:31:25.:31:34.

majority of Lib Dem peers to agree to this, and he is not sure there is

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a majority. There is a generational thing here. I think these older Lib

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Dem peers think he has not really done anything wrong. Maybe been a

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bit stupid, but he has not done... Which is not what the younger people

:31:44.:31:51.

think. You are right to identify the divide between how the generations

:31:52.:31:54.

view the crimes and misdemeanours under discussion. But also, there

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are two parallel universes. There is this legalistic universe, the idea

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that you need a criminal standard of proof for workplace harassment,

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which is ridiculous, and then there is the real world in which several

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women came forward with stories that a QC found credible. To ignore it is

:32:15.:32:19.

ridiculous. There are people like that in every party. The Lib Dems'

:32:20.:32:25.

problem is that he was so powerful for a period that all roads lead to

:32:26.:32:29.

him. You could not leave the room or change the subject. The fact is that

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Nick Clegg needs to clean house. What does Mr Cameron do with his

:32:38.:32:41.

backbenchers, who are banging on about Europe, no matter how much he

:32:42.:32:46.

tells them not to. That is what gets coverage in the Tory press, rather

:32:47.:32:49.

than unemployment and inflation coming down and economic growth

:32:50.:32:54.

picking up. It is a party that longs to fall apart and fight itself on

:32:55.:32:59.

this issue. And to a large extent, it longs to be in opposition so it

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can have the leisure to do so. It must be exhaust breaking from David

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Cameron was my point of view, because after all, he made this

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extraordinary commitment to hold a referendum, should there be another

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Conservative government, on and in out vote. That was intended to buy

:33:16.:33:20.

off these people. Ten minutes later, 95 of them write a letter

:33:21.:33:25.

saying they want a position for Britain which is wholly inconsistent

:33:26.:33:27.

with membership of the European Union. They are insatiable. They say

:33:28.:33:35.

history doesn't repeat itself but the Tories are destroying themselves

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over Europe, once again. Now, slavery. We think of it as a

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blight on generations past, which a more enlightened world has long

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since banished. Except that it hasn't. Barely a week goes by

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without horrendous tales of human trafficking becoming public, and

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that's because the scale of modern-day slavery is far bigger

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than many people ever imagine. So on the day British-directed and acted

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12 Years A Slave receives nine Oscar nominations, we've decided to put

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slavery in tonight's Spotlight. In the week where historical drama

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12 Years A Slave triumphed at the Golden globes, we are given a

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sobering reminder that slavery is not necessarily a thing of the

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past. I have come to India to try to understand its biggest secret dash

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human trafficking. Ross Kemp witnessed it first hand. The first

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episode of his new series exposes the vastness and cruelty of human

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trafficking and child slavery in India. You are saying that you do

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kill them, that they are killed? This is closer to home than we would

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like to think. Appearing before the liaison committee this week, David

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Cameron answered questions on how to root out modern day slavery in the

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UK. But it is genuinely shocking and Parliament, the House of Commons,

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has done quite a good job at raising the profile of this issue, opening

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people's ties to the robber of modern-day slavery.

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If he caught Benefits Street on Monday he would have seen Romanian

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immigrants furious about their treatment by their UK employer.

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Taking our jobs, or exploited for their labour? So, are we too quick

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to dismiss slavery as a thing of the past. Is it time to face facts and

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recognise that slavery is not just in the house on Mars? -- in our

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movie theatres. If anybody thinks slavery is a thing

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of the past, they will be thinking differently after your show. There

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are more slaves now than there ever have been. The reason for that is

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people being displaced, corruption in certain countries, and the

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disparity between money around the world, the haves and have-nots. It

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is also cultural, it depends what country you go to. No one really

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knows how many slaves there are. They estimated to be 30 million

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people, but no one really knows. I would suggest it is far more than

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that and it shows no sign, wherever I go, of decreasing. No one is doing

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anything about it. In India, we were told officially 30,000 girls go

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missing into the sex trade as slaves every year. We found out it is

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nearer 100 vows. There are 30 detect it is looking for those 100,000

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girls and they have three computers. -- detectives. Lots of the police

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are involved in trafficking those girls to major cities. The people

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involved are never held to account. They reckon there are 100,000 people

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involved in the trade in India. We have it in Britain, too.

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Undoubtedly. Wherever a culture transfers itself they bring their

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culture, and it is natural base do so. People do not know much about

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the Chinese culture here, but sex trafficking among the Chinese is

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kept under the wire. When I was doing a programme about sex

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trafficking people from Eastern Europe to hear, we discover that the

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Vietnamese now control most of the marijuana plants in the UK. And

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young boys are sold, given by their families in villages to come all the

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way here, too supposedly work in a restaurant, sometimes given money by

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the traffickers because they think their son will come back with money,

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or with a trade. He ends up locked in a suburban house, basically

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growing marijuana, and the only English that they learn is, I am

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under 16, so they will not get a sentence. They are fed, given food

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once a month, and they are locked in and all that they have to do is look

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after the plants. They electrocute the houses so that if other

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criminals try to come in, they will get a shock. And if the kid tries to

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leave, he gets shocked. That is happening under our noses. We broke

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into six houses in a suburban road in house lump -- south London.

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Hydroponic plants. There must have been 1000 plants, worth a lot of

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money. It seems it is on such a scale and probably growing. It is

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probably worth $1 billion a year. And the forces of law and order are

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inadequate to the challenge. Here, I do not think we understand the scale

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of the problem in the UK. People do not want to talk about it. And when

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do you say, what is bondage, what is slavery? It is not necessarily about

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having physical handcuffs around you. In India, for instance, if you

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are tied to a bed, as happens to most of these girls, they are tied

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up for a year, chained to the bed, only released to go to the toilet

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and for food, and then chained to the bed. They can never go back to

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their village. They are shamed. They can never face their families. From

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that point on, we end the film, because the reason there has been an

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explosion of HIV is because many people go to India, particularly

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from other countries in the region, to have unprotected sex because they

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believe it can cure them from having aids. We finished the film. I say,

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this is a fantastic country and it spends more money on arms than

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almost any other country, it has a space programme and it is not really

:40:10.:40:12.

looking after the mothers of its children. It would seem, after the

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success of 12 Years A Slave, the next Hollywood movie should be

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slavery today, now. I think slavery is not just a question of cult show.

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It is also an economic thing. Do you remember those Chinese people who

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died in Morecambe Bay? They work slaves. You find some people and the

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gang masters doing agricultural work. We used to call it indentured

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labour. It is bonded labour. You inherit a debt you have to pay off.

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They either go up to their waste and water, picking prawns. But

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generally, you are fourth-generation paying off a debt your

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great-grandfather owns -- owes. So you are never going to pay it off

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because the interest they place on it gets higher and higher. Well, I

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am in shock. I have not had the benefit of seeing this Kim entry

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yet. I was going to say I look forward to it, but you know what I

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mean. I need to see it because I had no idea there was anything like

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this. We think battles have been won and fought against slavery - the

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American civil war, Wilberforce, a national hero in this country. After

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Britain's appalling industrialisation of slavery, before

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then, the role of the Royal Navy in stopping the slave trade from

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happening. Actually, those problems, the problems now are on

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almost as great a scale. On a larger scale, and showing no sign of

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improving, I am afraid. We are not doing enough about it. In the UK and

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across the world. What is happening is that people are turning a blind

:42:07.:42:10.

eye, because we know what is happening in some of these

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agricultural, and even, as you say, the houses where they grow

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marijuana. Most of the marijuana purchased on the streets of Britain

:42:18.:42:23.

now has grown in Britain. We are turning a blind eye. We should not

:42:24.:42:28.

turn a blind eye. Where there are poor and vulnerable people, and

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there are people willing to exploit them, you will have conditions of

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quasi slavery. If one of these young girls tries to run away, they just

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shoot her. Worse. There are many ways of doing it. They honey trap

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them. The parents are told that the child, rather than growing up in a

:42:52.:42:56.

brick kiln, or up to her waist in 50 degrees heat picking prawns, she

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will go and work in a town and she will get an education. One of the

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girls, under the age of ten, I cannot go into detail, but she was

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raped everywhere for two years. She escaped when she was 12, so she had

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two years of being abused, sexually abused and as a domestic slave,

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both. It is commonplace, and it is also accepted. It is the way they

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look at the class system. The first pogrom goes out on Tuesday at 9pm on

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sky one. Then we go to Papa New Guinea, where I get held up in the

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jungle. And we look at the anarchy there. 99% of the women in the north

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of the country have been abused, a horrific fact. There are more

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programmes after that. We have run out of time. But I wanted to talk

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about this. It is a must watch series.

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