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Tonight on This Week, join us for the Autumn Statement Watch, as we | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
study interesting and unseen political behaviour | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
Rutting politicians, rather than stags, in the House | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
of Commons, as Chancellor George Osborne does a U-turn or two. | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
And we spot some unseasonal behaviour from | :00:26. | :00:27. | |
The BBC's Business Editor, Kamal Ahmed, | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
Is George Osborne King of the Jungle and did he imagine | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
in his wildest dreams that the main attack on him by the | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
opposition would be a not wildly funny joke about Chairman Mao? | :00:44. | :00:52. | |
The Prime Minister wants us to come out of military hibernation as | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
he makes the case for air strikes against Islamic State in Syria. | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Peace campaigner and head of CND, Kate Hudson, thinks bombing is | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
As the evenings draw in, Jeremy Corbyn's bringing the warmth | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
of common-sense to Parliament on air strikes, Trident and austerity. | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
And just as the seasons change over time, | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
Joining us to discuss, Liverpudlian Bollywood star, Amy Jackson. | :01:25. | :01:36. | |
Chaotic? Unusual clothing? Languages you don't understand? It is hard | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
work being on this show! This Week's natural habitat, | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
curled up on the sofa with And yes, it is still | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
officially Autumn - just. A week in which Boy George executed | :01:49. | :02:00. | |
This Week. A week in which Boy George executed | :02:01. | :02:19. | |
a U-turn on tax credits. Shadow Chancellor John McDonald, | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
who earlier this week, said "We are going to destroy Osborne's | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
credibility", then proceeded to almost destroy his own, by telling a | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
cracking joke about Chinese inward investment levels using | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
Chairman Mao's Little Red Book Tom Watson looked like he had | :02:33. | :02:53. | |
swallowed a wasp. Lenin's "What is to be done?" | :02:54. | :03:07. | |
A pile that no doubt includes Enver Hoaxha's Albanian bonkbuster, | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
political pot-boiler, Uzbekistan On The Threshold of The | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
21st Century, Challenges to Stability and Progress. | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
Speaking of judging a book by its cover, I'm joined on the sofa | :03:19. | :03:19. | |
Think of them as the Lady Colin and Lady Shave | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
I speak of course, of #thelamminator David Lammy. | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
And #sadmanonatrain Michael 'choo choo' Portillo. | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
Welcome to you both. David, your moment of the week? Were it not for | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
Syria, the story we would be talking about today is the fact that net | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
migration is up 336,000, that is my story because why did George Osborne | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
get those ?27 billion of receipts? Hidden in the OBR, the secret, | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
because of migration, all those immigrants coming in and paying | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
their taxes and working. That is the reason because I told you that | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
before I came on air! It is not the only reason. It is significant. No, | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
it is not. It is a reason. There is a cap. They have got a cap, which | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
they haven't met. Haven't met? We are now seeing the truth of it. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
Migrants come and they contribute to our economy. Very well. And cuts are | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
reduced as a consequence. Am I briefing you throughout this | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
programme? Let's see. Alright. Fine. What is your moment of the week? | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
Well, it was a busy week with Syria and the Autumn Statement. I suppose | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
I was really shocked when I saw that a Russian jet had been downed by | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
Turkish fighters and for someone with a sense of history, this was | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
the first time that a NATO country had downed a Russian jet since 1953, | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
the date of my birth, therefore I know it to be an extraordinarily | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
long time ago. Through most of my life, if a NATO jet had downed a | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
Russian plane, we would have expected that to be the prelude to a | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
nuclear exchange. I wondered what the consequences would be. Probably | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
in the end, consequences will probably not be very severe. There | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
is a momentum now between NATO and the Russians to do some sort of deal | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
over Syria and this inconvenient fact of the shooting down, it will | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
probably not get in the way of that. It was a hold your breath moment? | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
Yes. It just had that amazing historic resonance. If you ever | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
thought, you know, 20 years ago that you woke up and saw that headline, | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
you were going to be in big trouble. Thank you. | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
Now, the Prime Minister stood before Parliament this morning to | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
make the case for air strikes on Islamic State in Syria. | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
He will not press for a vote unless he's convinced he will win it. | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn has written to his MPs saying he cannot | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
One member of the Shadow Cabinet criticised the Labour leader's | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
"ridiculous party games" - and I don't mean the kind Michael has | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
This has sparked furry in parts -- fury in parts of the Labour Party. | :05:48. | :06:07. | |
It seems Mr Corbyn isn't just the Leader of the Opposition, but the | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
Leader of the Opposition to his own Parliamentary Labour Party. | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
But Kate Hudson, head of the CND, thinks Labour MPs need to put up | :06:17. | :06:17. | |
The Chancellor had a cheap shot at Jeremy Corbyn yesterday, | :06:18. | :06:41. | |
claiming that his front bench contributes to comedy. | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
On the contrary, Mr Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn is the serious politician. | :06:47. | :06:55. | |
He's been fairly and squarely elected. | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
He's true to his word and he brings good sense to politics. | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
MPs on the right of Labour need to accept that they | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
They are the minority in the party, not Jeremy Corbyn. | :07:11. | :07:17. | |
They should show some solidarity and open their minds to the democratic | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
With debate raging over bombing Syria and Trident replacement, | :07:22. | :07:30. | |
some of the press headlines about him seem like bad punchlines. | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
Jeremy knows exactly what he's doing, he was right about the war | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
on Iraq and he's much more in step with party members than | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
Most people don't want expensive nuclear weapons | :07:45. | :07:56. | |
and they have fears about military intervention in Syria. | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
We see the tragic consequences of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is asking the questions that need to be asked | :08:07. | :08:22. | |
and he's being put through the wringer for it. | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
Scrutiny in public office is to be welcomed, but there is nothing funny | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
Some on the backbenches should have a little humility. | :08:30. | :08:38. | |
Their policies led to declining support for Labour after 1997. | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
And they lost the last two elections. | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
It may be, as polls this week suggest, that while Jeremy has the | :08:48. | :08:58. | |
support of the party, he still has to win some support from the public. | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
Given a fair chance, I have every confidence that he can do it. | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
And from the Museum of Comedy to our own pack of jokers, | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
Welcome to the programme. The Prime Minister laid out the case for | :09:16. | :09:25. | |
extending British bombing into Syria within a wider strategy. Did you buy | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
it or didn't you? Not entirely. First of all, I could see there is a | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
good reason why we would want to be alongside the Americans, the French | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
and the Russians. There isn't a strong case for saying our | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
participation makes any difference to the number of bombs or the way in | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
which the bombs are delivered. I think most people think that if this | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
job is going to be done, it has to be done thoroughly, that would mean | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
ground forces. There is still quite a big gap in the explanation that's | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
being made. If you were in the Commons and this is going to come up | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
next week, how would you vote? If I were in the common, I would vote for | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
the bombing. I think on the first grounds that allies do have the | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
right to see us alongside. David Lammy, how will you vote? I'll be | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
voting against. I went with an open mind. I'm not a pacifist. I want | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
Isil dealt with. I did not hear a plan that really explained whose | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
side we are on given the Russians are not really on our side, and that | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
the airspace is crowded with the Americans, the French, the Turks all | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
there. I didn't hear a plan for what comes afterwards because this is not | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
like Iraq, with an Iraqi force, and a strong Kurdish minority at it on | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
the ground. I think the third thing for me, which is very important, I | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
think of my own constituency, it is clear when we bombed in Iraq, and we | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
dealt with Al-Qaeda, it led to Isil, it led to a radicalisation amongst | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
some of the youth in that part of the world and I'm not convinced that | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
whilst we might deal with Isil it will not lead to jihadist groups and | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
movements as a consequence of our bombing, so for those reasons, I'm | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
not convinced. How does Jeremy Corbyn, who has made it clear he | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
agrees with David Lammy, how does he carry his Shadow Cabinet, which | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
there seems to be if not a majority, a substantial number of figures who | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
don't agree with Mr Corbyn? I think what Jeremy has to do is exactly | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
what he's doing at the moment. He has to explain why he has problems | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
with the Prime Minister's case, he obviously clearly doesn't feel that | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
David Cameron has made a compelling case. He's set out a series of | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
arguments and questions which are much the same as the Foreign Affairs | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
Select Committee have laid out and he has the right to expect those | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
answers to be made. If they are not made to his satisfaction, then he | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
can't then support the war. I know his position. I understand that. But | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
how does he convince, how do we have a situation where we have | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
how does he convince, how do we have of the party, and the Shadow | :12:10. | :12:10. | |
Chancellor, too, they almost certainly take one view, and leading | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
Secretary take a different view. How does that work? Jeremy | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
Secretary take a different view. How convince them of the case. If he | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
can't convince them of the case, then they will have divergent views. | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
I can't imagine Jeremy will knuckle under and change his view... He | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
I can't imagine Jeremy will knuckle not going to knuckle under, | :12:31. | :12:31. | |
I can't imagine Jeremy will knuckle resolve this? It is extremely | :12:32. | :12:39. | |
unusual that for a vote that is this important, there isn't a whip Labour | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
unusual that for a vote that is this position. Having said that, we | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
unusual that for a vote that is this clear in his views for many years. I | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
understand all of that. clear in his views for many years. I | :12:51. | :12:51. | |
like it is going to be a free clear in his views for many years. I | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
If it is not, doesn't it rip the Labour Party apart? The truth is, as | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
Members of Parliament, and I said this before, you go with an open | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
mind this before, you go with an open | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
conscience. So... That has to be a free vote then. No, you expect in | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
these circumstances that some people will defy the whip. Should there be | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
a free vote? I'd rather that they had a whipped vote on Jeremy | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
Corbyn's position. That is a position which is popular amongst | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
the majority of the party members. It may not be popular amongst all | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
the Shadow Cabinet. We will see how the MPs feel about that. It's an | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
ongoing debate and different positions are being put. Would you | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
rather have that at the price of ripping Labour apart with multiple, | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
the air tonight in Westminster is rife at talk of resignations? There | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
is too much talk about Labour ripping apart. This is an internal | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
party debate where people have changed their minds on this. You | :13:52. | :13:52. | |
can't have a static position and say you can't have a discussion about | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
this because Labour's going to look as though it is split. You have to | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
get the issues out there and discuss them. We are having a discussion, | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
the Shadow Cabinet met this afternoon, they had a discussion. At | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
the end, you have to stop discussing and come to a view. | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
the end, you have to stop discussing reconcile the views of Jeremy Corbyn | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
and Mr McDonnell and major other figures in the Shadow Cabinet? | :14:18. | :14:19. | |
There were divergent views between Well... | :14:20. | :14:30. | |
There were divergent views between Clare Short and Tony Blair on the | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
war in Iraq. The Cabinet came to a collective | :14:36. | :14:43. | |
view in favour of the invasion. What will the collective view be on this? | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
Well, I don't know what the collective view is going to be. I | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
think we are probably going to end up with a free vote. I said it was | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
unusual, but what is unusual in these circumstances is that we have | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
a leader of a major political party who clearly has a pacifist position | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
in relation to these matters. That is honourable in our country's | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
history. I accept that. I would be the last person not to enjoy the | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
embarrassment of the Labour Party but it seems to be the important and | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
serious issue is whether there is going to be enough Labour rebels and | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
a small enough number of Conservative rebels for this to be | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
carried and unless the Government thinks there is going to be a | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
situation like that, the motion will not be put. I hear it said at the | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
moment that the Government is growing in confidence and that I | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
think there is a general expectation that the motion will be put and it | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
will be carried. I don't envy the Government whips. It's difficult | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
enough on your own side, it's extraordinarily difficult to count | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
the other side, particularly when people on the other side have a | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
large number of reasons for not telling the Government what they are | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
thinking of doing. How many on the Labour side will vote for the | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
Government do you think? Do you know what, I think, I don't think David | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
Cameron is very good at putting these cases in Parliament. He's not | :15:56. | :16:04. | |
as persuasive as he could be. How many? I would have said there might | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
be something like 50-60. I wouldn't be surprised if they were. Then Mr | :16:11. | :16:19. | |
Cameron wins. He'll be all right with 50 or 60. I'm not sure whether | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
David is right with 50 or 60, although he's in a better position | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
to know than I am. The number reached a peak immediately after | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
Paris, probably faltered somewhat after the shooting down of the | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
Russian jet which complicates the situation. I do rather agree with | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
David that I'm not sure, given the demands that were made by the Select | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
Committee as to what sort of explanation should be provided, I'm | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
not sure the Prime Minister met the criteria. He basically said, we've | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
got to be in it because the others are in it. This is a great country, | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
we don't just fight because others are fighting, you have got to make | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
the case for what comes afterwards and why in tend the streets of | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
Britain will be safer as a consequence of this and not worse | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
because they'll be -- there'll be further Jihadists on our streets | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
because they felt we bombed them. If you were Prime Minister, you would | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
think it was very important, you would think the Americans have just | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
about reached a position with Britain when they think we are an | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
unreliable allie and you would think that was important. Do you think | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
with, as you read it the direction the Labour Party is going, that | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
within say a year's time, the Labour Party will be unilateralist nuclear | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
disarming party and solidly against foreign military intervention? On | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
the question of Trident replacement, I very much hope that the Labour | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
Party during its review will come to the conclusion that Britain has | :17:48. | :17:56. | |
better ways. I understand that. What I meant was... It's not just a | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
question of CND... But do you think that is the direction in which | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
Labour is going? I think that change is the way in which the country is | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
going. Let me try again, do you believe it's the direction Labour is | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
going in? I think, along with a change in attitudes across the rest | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
of the country, across many parties, I think Labour is likely to go in | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
that direction because it's the only sensible direction to go in if we | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
want to meet the real security needs of the 21st century, so yes, I | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
imagine Labour may well adopt a change in policy. | :18:30. | :18:30. | |
Thank you. Diane Abbott dozing-off | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
during the Prime Minister's Defence But you should stay wide awake | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
and pour yourself another three fingers of Blue | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
Nectar because waiting in the wings, British Bollywood star, actress | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
Amy Jackson is here to tip-toe And don't forget, | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
for those who are particularly thin-skinned, we're still ignoring | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
all your comments on The Twitter, The Fleecebook and Gordon Brown's | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
World Wide Web-sphere. Now, awkward schoolboy, Bullingdon | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
toff, austerity chancellor. It feels like George Osborne's | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
had more makeovers than Madonna. Unveiling his Spending Review | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
yesterday, the man who would be PM was keen to | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
shed his unfashionable cuts to tax Sadly, we're not a very stylish | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
bunch here on This Week. So we turned to the BBC's Business | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
Editor, Kamal Ahmed and sent him This is his well-groomed roundup | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
of the political week. # You're more than a number | :19:28. | :19:45. | |
in my little red book...# Now, I don't know exactly how | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
George Osborne starts his day, it's probably not reading | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
the latest thoughts of Chairman Mao or even going for a wet shave, | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
but we know he's a Chancellor who The country, of course, | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
was braced for cuts. But the Chancellor suddenly lathered | :20:03. | :20:14. | |
up the voters with, what is known in business circles, | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
asurprise on the upside, ratchet up the expectation of cuts | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
and then, when a U-turn comes, The big controversy - | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
Tax Credits for working people It created quite a stink | :20:26. | :20:46. | |
when it was announced in the Budget four short months ago and George | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
Osborne this week decided to do what all brave politicians do when faced | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
with a politically toxic situation. I've had representations that | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
these changes to Tax Credits I've listened to the concerns, | :21:06. | :21:13. | |
I hear and understand them and because I've been able to | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
announce today an improvement in the public finances, the simplest thing | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
to do is not to phase these changes Like a particularly pungent soap, | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
the Chancellor's avoidance strategy then seemed to take on a life | :21:27. | :21:34. | |
of its own. He avoided the Tax Credits bear trap | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
but then with thoughts turning to Paris, he turned to the issue | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
of the UK's security. Mr Speaker, | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
the police protect us and we are This new newnificent Chancellor said | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
there would be more money for schools, more money | :21:53. | :22:07. | |
for the NHS, more money for road and There were cuts to Government | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
departments and higher taxes for large businesses | :22:14. | :22:25. | |
for council tax payers and for those Like a tourist bagging | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
the best bits of the beach, Mr Osborne has laid a great big | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
towel over the centre ground. He was attacked by the | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, And then this, have you heard | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
the one about Chairman Mao, asset sales and the UK's reliance | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
on Chinese investment? A lot | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
of Labour MPs wished they hadn't. We must learn to do economic work | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
from all who know how, no matter who they are, we must esteem them | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
as teachers, learning from them But we must not to pretend to | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
know what we do not know. So the Shadow Chancellor literally | :23:17. | :23:27. | |
stood at the despatch box and read Mr McDonnell was sadly a bit like | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
the best man making a joke about the mother of the bride that just | :23:36. | :23:52. | |
hasn't worked and the tumbleweed There is | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
of course a bigger theme here, the drum beat of conflict in the | :23:57. | :24:09. | |
Middle East and the War on Terror. The Chancellor spoke of a security | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
Spending Review aligning economic Today, David Cameron said he wanted | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
to deal with that security issue, calling on the Commons to back | :24:18. | :24:27. | |
Britain joining military air strikes against so-called Islamic state | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
strongholds in Syria. If we won't act now, | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
when our friend and allie France has been struck in this way, then our | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
allies in the world can be forgiven All that Isil stands for and does is | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
contrary to everything those of us on these benches have struggled | :24:42. | :24:52. | |
for over many generations. There is no doubt that it poses | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
a threat to our own people. The question must now be | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
whether extending the UK bombing from Iraq to Syria is likely to | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
reduce or increase that threat. Whatever the outcome of that debate, | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
it could of course be Prime Minister Osborne dealing with | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
the issue by 2019. The ultimate and final make-over for | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
this always flexible Chancellor. BBC Business Editor, Kamal Ahmed, | :25:19. | :25:31. | |
being groomed And we're joined on the sofa | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
by former BBC Economic Editor, and now high-flying City | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
strategist, Stephanie Flanders. For various technical reasons and | :25:43. | :25:54. | |
differences in modelling, the OBR produced a wind fall for the | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
Chancellor of ?27 billion. He proceeded to spend it all. Was that | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
wise? I think it was something that wiz handed to him with those big | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
changes to the forecasts. Pretty much every Chancellor, if you stick | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
around long enough, you get to this position where some of the news is | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
getting better and the numbers get quite big if you have money coming | :26:16. | :26:22. | |
in. It's surprising when you can do all that you did and still meet the | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
key tarts he set himself and still he'll be taking money out of welfare | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
by the end of the Parliament and getting that back from surplus. He | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
didn't spend every penny and the fact he was still able to his | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
targets, that was sensible. He did change too this time because before | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
the election all the thrust of the deficit reduction was to be on cuts | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
to public spending, but suddenly, there's been a number of tax | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
increases, substantial ones, the apprenticeship levy will be ?9 | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
billion on business, stamp duty on landlords and other taxes as well. | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
It's a different strategy he's on now? And actually, if you put in | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
also the increase in the living wage in that as well which is effectively | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
a burden on business as well, there's been a big movement in that | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
direction. I was struck, there were two headlines this morning that were | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
the same, end of austerities were in the Mail and the Telegraph I think, | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
both intended to be critical headlines attacking the Chancellor, | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
but actually end of austerity is not a bad headline for this Chancellor | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
to have. It's probably what most people want is an end to austerity. | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
I think actually if you wanted to question his judgment, you might go | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
back to July and say, well, you know, if you were going to introduce | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
the universal benefit anyway, why exactly did you need to cut Tax | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
Credits anyway. This thing is going to take care of itself, as you | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
change from one benefit to another, as there is a rollover of new | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
claimants who're going to make the savings later rather than sooner. I | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
think the judgment needs to be questioned of not this one but the | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
previous one in July. Of getting into this? It's great when you can | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
get credit for reversing a decision. You yourself announced a few months | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
before. If you look at the Chancellor's strategic position on | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
spending, on the apprenticeship levy, on more money from the Health | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
Service or ?6 billion for housing, and for not cutting, I mean he told | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
us in March he was going to take over ?20 billion out of Government | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
departments, it turns out it's only ?10 billion. He's moved his tanks on | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
to the centre ground and in some areas, with the apprenticeship levy | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
on to the centre-left ground. Where does that leave it? Let's get behind | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
this. The truth is, there'll still be very serious cuts in Local | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
Government. There'll be libraries up, day care centres closed, there | :29:00. | :29:05. | |
are very serious cuts in other departments beyond the protected | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
health, education development, and now the police ringfenced within | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
Home Office. I think it's also right to say that if we just went back a | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
month, this is actually a Chancellor that is going to run into serious, | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
serious problems. He would have cut the police massively. They have | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
already had ?1.3 billion in London. He would have gone further, he would | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
have gone through with Tax Credits so there is questions about his | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
political judgment that I think hang over him despite the fact that | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
people are saying his currency is up. George Osborne always goes a | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
little too far and, even on your clip, he always looks like he's | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
enjoying the game just a little bit too much and actually out there it's | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
real people. I worry about that. We are overdoing this flexible side. | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
The great moment of flexibility he had was in the first term, the first | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
five years as Chancellor when he was proclaiming his commitment to | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
austerity while showing a lot of wiggle room around the borrowing, | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
borrowing a lot more, allowing us as a country to have twice the deficit | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
of a typical eurozone country and to have a lot of deficit-supported | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
growth while saying he was being austere. We have the opposite now I | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
think, where he's suggesting he's very flexible and withdrawing these | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
cuts at the end of austerity, because the underlying picture I'm | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
not sure I agree with your depiction Andrew because you are looking at | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
still overall a huge reduction in the size of the state, bigger than | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
any country has achieved over a ten-year period an taxes being | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
capped at a low rate as a share of GDP. I take the point there are | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
costs put on to businesses not showing up in the tax calculation, | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
but I think this is still... Can I go to David Lamy's point about what | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
it would have meant if it was a month ago. Politicians get and | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
deserve their luck and there is a fair amount of luck in this. I said | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
about a month ago or whenever it was when he lost the vote in the House | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
of Lords on the Tax Credits that they'd done him an immense favour. | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
If it would have gone through, he'd be saddled with that retchid cut and | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
come the spring there would be these families ?1500 a year worse off. The | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
constituency post bags would have been unbearable. He was saved all of | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
that because thank God the Government lost in the House of | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
Lords. A lot of the same changes will come | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
through with the Universal Credits... The ones in there will be | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
protected. It is quite different to say this person getting ?1,500 less | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
than they would have done if they had applied last month. There is one | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
other group we should talk about - students. As you remember, back in | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
2012, we put fees up, we said that you would pay back the loans at | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
?21,000, very quietly George Osborne changed the fact that we were going | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
to operate that ?21,000 five years later. A lot of people now will pay | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
back their loans a lot sooner and at the same time, nurses will not get | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
direct grants, they too will be on loans. No-one can argue that nurses | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
make the kinds of salaries that on average university graduates do. If | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
you go through the budget statement, you can find all sorts of examples | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
of that, where several hundred million have been saved here and | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
there. But on the broad judgment, what I'm not clear is, is the fiscal | :32:36. | :32:43. | |
consolidation plan in your view too tight, about right, or it should be | :32:44. | :32:51. | |
looser? Clearly, just over ?10 billion worth of cuts is preferable | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
to ?20 billion. So, from a Labour perspective, it's better. We have | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
some victories here. I am pleased... Should the deficit be reduced in the | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
manner and at the speed that he plans? Or should it be slower? Look, | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
he has - he's broken the benefit cap already. I suspect that... I'm not | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
asking you for a commentary on the Tory position. I'm asking you for | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
what you think Labour's position should be. Well, Labour's position | :33:23. | :33:32. | |
at the moment is something according to Chairman Mao. Let me clarify for | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
a second time. I didn't ask you what Labour's position was. I asked you | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
what you thought Labour's position should be. I think that Labour's | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
position has got to be consistent with the vast majority of people and | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
that is anti-austerity, not going too soon, actually ironically, we | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
arrive somewhere in that place in George Osborne's budget. That is as | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
a consequence of pressure from us. About right. So, it is OK because it | :34:03. | :34:10. | |
is your budget? It's not my budget, it his HIS budget. We fought hard | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
against those police cuts, we fought hard on tax credits, we won those | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
victories. Alright. You followed and watched George Osborne for a number | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
of years. He's clearly positioning himself to be the next Conservative | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
Leader? Has he got it in him to be the Prime Minister? Michael's | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
probably seen more of his prime ministerial qualities than I have. I | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
have seen the Chancellor, shifting and changing... Is he building up | :34:46. | :34:47. | |
into being prime ministerial material? In terms of the way he's | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
now talking on a much wider range of issues, and the way in which he's | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
credited with still an enormous amount of political strategy and | :34:58. | :35:05. | |
acumen, despite some of the reversals. He is shaping up, you | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
might say, rather better than the last Chancellor who then became the | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
Prime Minister. Wo would that be? Remind me. Someone from north of the | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
border. Ten years ago, I knew both of these people very well. Ten years | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
ago, my feeling was that George Osborne would be the better | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
candidate to be leader of the Conservative Party. I was probably | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
wrong at that time. There was an underlying point. There is an | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
extraordinary resilience in George. There is a solidity. As things | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
stand, is he the likely next leader? Yes. I think he still lacks a little | :35:36. | :35:44. | |
bit of the charisma that you associate with the Prime Minister. I | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
think in every other way, all the boxes are being picked. What did you | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
think when John McDonnell brought out his little Red Book? Ill-judged. | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
Did you read it yourself? I haven't read it myself. We touched on it | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
briefly in a history class in A-level. I think the Chamber of the | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
House of Commons is, at that level, with - I know why he did it. He did | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
it to illustrate the point that they were selling everything off to the | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
Chinese, however it was badly judged. Alright. | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
Now, some of our older viewers will probably remember the | :36:26. | :36:27. | |
They're back in the game - if leader Tim Fan-Dabi-Dozi is to be believed. | :36:28. | :36:36. | |
According to Tiger Tim, Boy George's dramatic U-turn | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
yesterday on tax credits was apparently "a massive Lib Dem win". | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it, but maybe Tim | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
shouldn't be so sensitive about who gets the credit - after | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
all, people have far more important things to worry about, or do they? | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
We're not sure - that's why we're putting 'sensitivities' | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
It might seem a stretch to call this controversial but Yoga's touched | :37:01. | :37:15. | |
Campaigners got a campus class shutdown, complaining the exercise | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
The new Star Wars film is on the way and there's a battle raging over | :37:20. | :37:28. | |
the adverts and whether you should serve religion with your popcorn. | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
Some cinemas won't be showing a Church of England advert | :37:33. | :37:42. | |
featuring the Lord's Prayer, receiving condemnation from | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
Just ask actor Benedict Cumberbatch whether sensitivity's ever been | :37:46. | :37:55. | |
In new comedy Zoolander II, the actor's transgender character is | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
no laughing matter for some who're calling for a | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
boycott of the movie on the grounds of his cartoonish portrayal. | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
I think he's asking do you have a hot dog or a bun. | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
Does the first Scouser in Bollywood suggest people are far less | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
They call you bling, bling, Mr Singh. | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
Actress Amy Jackson may be white and from Liverpool | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
but plays characters from a different ethnic background and has | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
captured Indian imaginations with a string of acclaimed performances. | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
This Week, smoothly navigating your cultural sensitivities, since 2003. | :38:37. | :38:49. | |
If that doesn't get us a Bollywood contract, nothing will! | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
You were born on the Isle of Man, raised in Liverpool, so how did you | :38:55. | :39:08. | |
end up in Mumbai? It has been a whirlwind, really has. Now it is my | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
new life. Bollywood movies is basically what is happening right | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
now. I got scouted back when I was 17. This was over in America, and | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
basically the director saw a picture of me in the Daily Mail and he said | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
this is what I want for my movie, this is the lady I want to cast, and | :39:32. | :39:49. | |
it was a 1940s period drama. You now I pick roles where I think I can do | :39:50. | :40:47. | |
justice to the character. It's not like, I'll do this role, or that | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
role. If I feel I can do well and portray it properly, that's when | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
I'll decide. Is everything you do in English? No, it's not. Tell us more? | :40:58. | :41:05. | |
Hindi is Bollywood, I've done two Bollywood films, regional cinema, | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
there are 47 different languages in India. The main movies I've been | :41:12. | :41:19. | |
working on are Tamil films. The Hindi ones also. | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
It speaks volumes for India, doesn't it? It really does. Indian cinema is | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
international, global, people watch it all over the world and it's on | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
the rise. What about British cinema? Definitely. Are you up for that? | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
100%. I didn't realise acting was my passion until I was thrown into the | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
deep end and now wherever cinema may take me, especially where I come | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
from Britain and obviously overseas, it's definitely on the cards. So | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
there is a lot of cultural sensitivity around, but you show | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
that people are prepared, not to be too sensitive, but they are prepared | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
to go with the flow, if they see a success they back it, they like it. | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
Do you live in India now? Yes, end of austerity got a place in Mumbai, | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
so between Mumbai and London, I'm travelling all over for shoots and | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
Mumbai is such a cosmopolitan city, and Bollywood is global. Yes. It's | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
always expanding. Can you walk down the street in Mumbai? It's getting | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
very full on which is good and, with each movie that releases and with | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
each movie that is a success, obviously I'm more recognised. David | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
has a problem in London, he can barely walk. Are you a sensitive | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
soul, David? LAUGHTER | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
Looks very sensitive! Underneath that rough ex-tarior, Michael is | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
very sensitive aren't you? I am. You have got a movie coming out -- | :42:57. | :43:03. | |
exterior. Yes, it's releasing worldwide on 18th December. The | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
music released today on iTunes, it's a romantic album so check that out | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
if you are into Tamil movie cinema. Good luck with the film, great to | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
have you. That's your lot for tonight, folks, | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
but not for us because it's Grant Shapps Night at Lou Lou's | :43:25. | :43:25. | |
and we're off to strenuously deny all knowledge of any wrong-doing | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
on the dance-floor. We leave you tonight with exclusive | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
footage from the This Week archives. And proof that, | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
despite reported disagreements in the shadow cabinet, at least some | :43:33. | :43:34. | |
of the Corbyn leadership team are Nighty night, | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
don't let Madame Mao bite. Why is it right to wear a | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
Maoist T-shirt but obviously wrong - because it is | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
- to wear a Hitler T-shirt? I suppose some people would judge | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
that on balance, Mao did more good than harm, | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
you can't say that about Marxist. I've just had this debate with | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
my son. I wish this were in Private Eye, | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
I really do. You still | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
like all these old lefty dictators. Mao killed tens of millions | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
of people. Just tell me what was the good that | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
he did that made up for the 60 He helped defeat the Japanese and he | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
left his country on the verge... ...could have beaten the Japanese, | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
too. The way in which | :44:22. | :44:37. | |
we create and consume food A seemingly sci-fi future | :44:38. | :44:39. | |
is actually a reality. I'll be joined by a team of experts | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
and we'll scour the globe | :44:45. | :44:49. |