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Tonight on This Week, join us for some political drama.

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Making waves across the pond, US Presidential hopeful and business

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magnate Donald Trump says Muslims should be banned from entering

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British politician, Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh says

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the apprentice politician should banned from the UK.

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Frank Underwood said we are nothing more or less than we choose

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to reveal and Donald Trump revealed his true self this week.

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In Westminster, David Cameron and the Labour leader give

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But who took advantage of their absence?

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Lurking in the shadows, the BBC's John Pienaar.

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Did Angela Eagle fancy Jeremy's job this week?

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And the chemistry between Frank and his wife in House

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We take a look at personal relationships in politics,

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with stars of hit TV show First Dates, maitre d' Fred

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This Week is like a bottle of fine wine. Well, the longer you keep it

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corked up, the better. As we say on This Week,

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friends make the worst enemies. Welcome to This Week,

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the dangerous no-go area in the mean streets of BBC current affairs,

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where we've decided on a total and complete shutdown of anybody

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watching this show "until we figure Now, you may find that

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a little extreme. But it's not as if we're stopping

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a particular race or religion Nobody could be that

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bigoted, obviously. We're banning everybody, so there's

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no discrimination involved. The problem, as regular and now

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former viewers will know, is that figuring out what the hell

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is going on has never So this ban on viewers,

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which will affect at least seven homes across the land,

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including two in Cumbria who can't see us anyway because the floods

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have knocked out their electricity, And when we've figured out

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what the hell is going on, we haven't yet figured

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out how to tell you, since you've been

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banned from watching. The best idea so far is to tweet out

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#you-aint-no-diane-abbott-bruv. Then you'll know the ban has been

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rescinded and it's safe Speaking of futile gestures,

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I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two Westminster birds

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eyeing their prey. Think of them as the golden eagle

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and Angela Eagle of late I speak, of course, of #jesswecan,

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Jess "did you book me And #sadmanonatrain,

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Michael "choo choo" Portillo. Your moment of the week, Michael.

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The pathetic failure of the government to make a decision about

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airport capacity in the south-east. It makes me really despair of our

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democratic system, because the reason for this obviously is that

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the Conservatives are worried about the mayoral election. Very clearly

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indeed. And when local political difficulties get in the way of

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making a decision that is important on National grounds, that makes you

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depressed about the democratic system. I think it is making us a

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laughing stock around the world. To have our main airport still only

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having two runways makes us far behind other countries. They went

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through the rigmarole of getting an independent commission to take it

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out of politics. And they postponed it to the other side of the general

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election, which was a delay of about four years anyway, and this builds

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upon delays that have gone back decades. We really are in a pathetic

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position. Your moment of the week. Angela Eagle at the dispatch box.

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Seeing a strong woman and a happy Labour Party was, you know,

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different from last week. We will talk more about that. Our moment of

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the year is the report that you told Diane Abbott to F off. What did she

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do? She obliged. She went forth. Now, a This Week

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public announcement. It's our Christmas show next week,

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and we've decided to spoil you with the long-awaited

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return of the Twelfie! So get ready to whip

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out your decorations next Thursday night, because we'll be wanting

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festive-themed Twelfie pictures As always, proof that you're

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watching This Week is a must. Extra points for any Santa hats

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and Blue Nun in shot. Naked pictures will not be broadcast

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but discreetly passed to Michael Now, the race to become

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the Republican presidential candidate took a controversial turn

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this week, after front-runner Donald Trump called for a total

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"shutdown" of Muslims entering His comments followed a mass

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shooting in California which turned out to be the worst terrorist attack

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on US soil since 9/11, inspired, if not organised,

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by Islamic State. His remarks provoked condemnation

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across the American political And here in Blighty a petition

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to ban him from visiting Britain has become the most popular campaign

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ever on the British Government's website, with nearly half a million

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signatories as of this evening. Yesterday, Chancellor George Osborne

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condemned Mr Trump but resisted That's not good enough for the SNP

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MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. There is a hate speaker at large,

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and the Home Secretary needs to show And in this instance,

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I'm not talking about a terrorist death cult, but someone who's been

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given a platform to speak to millions of people

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across the world. Donald J Trump is calling

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for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering

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the United States, until our country's representatives can figure

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out what the hell is going on. # The thrill is gone # The thrill

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is gone away...# America,

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the leader of the free world, potentially the next president

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of the United States, whose prejudice stokes the fires

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of Islamophobia and makes this world a less safe place

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for us all to live in. Anti-Muslim attacks have skyrocketed

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since the atrocities in Paris, with Muslim women who wear the hijab

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feeling particularly vulnerable. Political leaders set the tone

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in national debate, and Donald Trump, whether he is

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elected or not, is responsible The Home Secretary has banned 84

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people from the UK already # You know you've done me wrong,

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baby, and you'll be sorry someday... We can't have one rule for hate

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preachers and another for rich, Yes, freedom of speech is important,

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and people have a right to be wrong, but when that tips into affecting

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the safety of others, or directly helping a terrorist

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cause, we have to draw the line. Donald Trump says he will make

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America great again. From masterpieces of literature

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to a collection of dusty old tomes left on the shelf here

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in Westminster, Tasmina Welcome to the programme. Michael,

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yes or no, should Donald Trump be banned from the UK? No, don't think

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so. This may be a man we have to deal with anyway. I strongly

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disapprove of his remarks. I'm getting extremely depressed about

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the fact that he is front runner for the Republicans and could become

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president of the United States. You think he could become president?

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Well, this will seem controversial but it reminds me of the rise of

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Hitler. When Hitler was rising, people said, we will be able to stop

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this man when ever we want, there will be a moment when we just turn

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him off, and subsequently looked back and said, when was the moment

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we could have stopped him? The Republicans have been saying for a

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long time that he will fall by the wayside and he has not done yet. You

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do not think he should be banned. No. I don't want to see him here but

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I think banning him plays into the political correctness gone mad

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brigade. We want to show him that we are not like him. I do not like the

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way very right wing people feel they are the ones being criticised and

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marginalised by a rising multicultural society, and banning

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him might just give him another thing to allow other on about. Do

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you agree that he is a hate speaker and a fascist? I do. I would add

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that he is a massive full as well. Would you go that far? I don't think

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we have proof that he is a fascist, and I am not sure this is quite hate

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speech. I think it is on the verge, on the margins. But I do get quite

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worried about banning people for what they have said. And I think

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there has been quite a lot of that around this week, with remarks

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people have made about homosexuality and abortion. Why not get him over

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here if he wants to come? He tends to go to Scotland, but why not get

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him over here and take him on in debate instead of banning him? He is

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seeking to ban me from the United States and I have done nothing at

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all. I am asking that the UK Government is consistent in the

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approach to hate speakers. What Donald Trump did the other day was

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to say there should be a complete ban on Muslims entering the United

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States. When people behave in that way on UK soil, we have the

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opportunity to ban them from entering. That has happened on 84

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occasions. I have just come back from America and I watched him being

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interviewed on TV. In my view, the American interviews, even those on

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the more left-leaning channels, were rather soft with him. Why not put

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him on Question Time, get him on TV shows and give him a bit of British

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steely interviewing? He has been condemned across the United States

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and the Pentagon made the statement that if you are going to pit the

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Islamic religion against the United States, that does not deal with the

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values. Why not bring him here and subject into some British

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inquisition? Because the man is dangerous. He is on US soil espousal

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horrible virtues, talking about Muslims as if they are all bad

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people. We interviewed dangerous people all the time. Are you

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suggesting we should allow him to come to the UK and do the same thing

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when it is within our gift to prevent him doing so? We have done

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so on previous occasions. There was a Dutch MP who was banned from the

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UK. Why is Donald Trump different? Is it because he is a rich American

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man? When did you decide he was dangerous because not long ago your

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party and your leader Alex Salmond were cheerleaders for him. When he

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started talking about Muslims in such terms... Were you and Alex

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Salmond wrong to be cheerleaders for him? This is a serious issue. This

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is a dangerous mantle can about the entirety of a religion. But was it a

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mistake to embrace him in the way the SNP and the previous Labour

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Administration in Scotland did? If anybody knew that at this point in

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time we would be facing a potential leader of the United States who

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would want to ban an entire religion from entering the United States,

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what can I say to that? Nobody could predict he would behave in such a

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ridiculous manner. But you do know now. He is in the middle of a ?200

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million upgrade of a famous golf course on the West Coast and has

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talked of further investment in his Aberdeen golf course. Do you still

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want that investment in Scotland? This is not about money, Andrew. But

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do you want the investment? Lets see how Scotland has dealt with this.

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Nicola Sturgeon has removed... I am not asking you that. Do you want him

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to continue to invest in Scotland, or not, given that you think he is a

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dangerous man? I don't want to see Donald Trump in Scotland or the UK,

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and the UK Government has an opportunity... Do you want his

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money? No. The UK Government has an opportunity, as they have with other

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hate speakers... I want to be clear, you don't want him to continue to

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invest in Scotland? Unless he withdraws his remarks and apologises

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to the entirety of those who practice Islam, I don't want

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anything to do with him at all. We don't often get is clear is that

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from politicians. Are we to prone, Michael, for something we don't

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like, our default position is to ban it. It seems to be happening in

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universities quite regularly, even down to Germaine Greer being banned

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recently, and you cannot get more right on and progressive than her.

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Obviously there is a spectrum of things here and there are certain

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things that people would say, incitement to violence and so on,

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which would be a crime if uttered in this country. But I think that

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across the spectrum it is too easy to start to try to ban people who

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say things, either that we don't agree with, or that have passed from

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being fashionable. A few years ago it was perfectly possible to debate

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abortion, perfectly possible to debate homosexuality. Now it seems

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that if people have certain views on these subjects, they are to be, for

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example, excluded from being Sports Personality of the Year. It is

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nothing new. All that I am asking is that the UK Government is consistent

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in its approach. Why is it a different set of rules for Donald

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Trump and four other people? I think that is a bit naive. The reason it

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is different is that he may be President of the United States. So

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the way to get round this, let's be clear, is if I was a presidential

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candidate it would be all right for me to say such things but for

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ordinary people it is not all right and they should be banned? A

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different set of rules for different people.

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We have banned people not just for espousing violence, but the Dutch

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politician, there was a shock jock from America, Michael Savage, we did

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ban them from what they said, not because they were encouraging

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violence, so there is precedent for this. Yes but what Tasmina Aliza two

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things together, she said it's all right to say this, it's not all

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right, I said it's naive to think we were going to ban someone who might

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be president of the United States. You are not going to because

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systems. She makes a fair point, just because he's rich and has a

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high position in America, he should stand trial with his travels of the

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UK just exactly the same as anyone else and I totally agree with that.

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However, I do think we've gone a bit too far in running what people say

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and the sports personality. -- banning what people say. The boxer

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who said those horrible things about how women are better on their backs,

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he has a personality, I don't think he should be banned from going on

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sports personality, but he shouldn't win it. It's not the BBC who

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chooses, it is viewers who choose in the end who it is. We've got freedom

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of speech, are we should distinguish it have freedom of hate speech as

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well? These people come unstuck very quickly, when the BNP put leader

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went on Question Time everyone was up in arms but he totally bombed and

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it was a good thing. Then the BNP... I accept that, but what he is saying

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is that I... Would you ban Tyson Fury from being on the sports Palace

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does -- sports personality short list? His comments are really an

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acceptable. Would you ban him? I wouldn't like to see anyone like

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that getting an award for anything. If you are being intolerant in your

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behaviour. He would only get that if people vote for him. Should he be on

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the short list for people to be able to vote for him? I would rather he

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wasn't there. There are people in the House of Commons with those

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views. We better not go there in case you

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name someone! Her Majesty's lawyers will be looking. Tasmina, and you

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stay with us? I'd be delighted to stay.

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Which means a sleepless night, because waiting in the wings,

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From hit Channel Four show First Dates, maitre d' Fred Sirieix,

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and waitress CiCi Coleman are here to talk about personal chemistry.

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And remember, if you can't find a date tonight,

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you can express your lonely thoughts on the Twitter,

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the Fleecebook, and Gordon Brown's world wide web sphere.

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Now, Christmas came early for the Shadow Business Secretary

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this week, who's waited long for her moment in the political spotlight.

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On Wednesday, that moment arrived with bells and whistles,

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as Angela Eagle stood in for Comrade Corbyn

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at Prime Minister's Questions and put in a well-received

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performance against the boy-who-would-be-king,

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She even poked fun at Jezza's habit of quoting correspondence

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from the public, with a well-timed joke about the President

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of the European Council, Donald Tusk, I guess you had

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Perhaps Angela will be writing her own letter to Santa

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to ask for more PMQs outings in the new year.

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We sent the BBC's John Pienaar down to his own grotto

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at the Royal Albert Hall to find out.

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This is his roundup of the political week.

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Welcome to my little place here at the North Pole.

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Just be glad you don't live in Cumbria.

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I know, it's hard to be Christmassy when your home is under six

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And if you're one of those who believe humans are at least

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partly to blame for climate change - I know we can't all whizz

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about the skies on eco-friendly reindeer power - well,

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at least my little helper at the ministry seems

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The Environment Secretary's predecessor was, as we know,

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not someone prepared to acknowledge the risks posed by climate change.

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Does this Secretary of State agree that extreme weather events are,

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unfortunately, increasingly a feature of British weather,

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and that Government policy has to adapt accordingly?

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The honourable lady is absolutely right about the extreme weather

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As we say, it is consistent with the trends we are seeing

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Although I suppose a bucket would be more useful right now.

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Labour MPs were very cheery this week.

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No, not just because Jeremy was having a break while Dave

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Angela was standing in, teasing Dave about trying to get

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a deal in Europe and threatening to take Britain's ball home.

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She even used Jeremy's "I've got a letter" technique.

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And he writes, "uncertainty about the future

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of the UK in the European Union is a destabilising factor".

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While we are quoting missives, there is someone called Tony

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Happens to be the most successful Labour leader in history,

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and he is describing the Labour Party is a complete

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Mr Speaker, I prefer this quote from Tony.

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"Just mouth the words "five more Tory years" and you feel your senses

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and reason riposte by what they've done to our country".

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# Santa, honey, one thing I really need... #

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He's been greeting his new MP after the Oldham by-election,

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as proof that voters like him more than most of his MPs.

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True, Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer is more of a Corbynista

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than the new MP, Jim McMahon, but a win is a win.

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Jeremy and Jim because Labour won, and George Osborne because, well,

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Labour won, and that means Jeremy's going nowhere, the one thing

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Jeremy's friends and enemies can all agree on.

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Now let's take Jim in to start work on opposing this Tory Government.

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At Tory headquarters, Lord Feldman is still there

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as chairman, but the pressure is building over allegations

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of bullying, after a young activist sadly took his own life.

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The young man's father, wants the party chairman,

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who is also David Cameron's friend, to go.

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It's quite clear to me that David Cameron is

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He should consider where his loyalty should be.

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Should be to his friend, or should it be to justice?

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No amount of goodwill from Number Ten will make this one

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But if you want to get everyone at Westminster singing

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from the same carol sheet, just mention Donald Trump.

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In all fairness, he does say he is no bigot, but I must say,

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whether or not Donald Trump is a bigot, he will certainly do

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I think the best way to confront the views of someone

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like Donald Trump is to engage in a robust, democratic argument

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with him about why he is profoundly wrong about the contribution

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of American Muslims and indeed British Muslims.

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And that is the best way to deal with Donald Trump and his views.

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# Santa, cutie, fill my stocking with a duplex and cheques

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# Sign your X on the line, Santa cutie

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# And hurry down the chimney tonight... #

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I must say, I've never seen a British Government tear

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into a presidential wannabe like that.

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But then there's never been a presidential wannabe quite

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like young Donald, or a Tory leadership quite so keen and eager

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to appear centre ground and socially liberal.

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Don't ask me to take sides, I'm Santa, and I've got enough

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In any case, Donald says he has lots of Muslim friends.

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I expect he's inviting them all over for Christmas carols.

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# I'll wait up for you, dear

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# Santa, baby, so hurry down the chimney tonight...

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You know, it's more fun here than a Stop The War Christmas dinner.

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Father Christmas there with a little help from John Pienaar

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at his magical grotto at the Royal Albert Hall.

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Other grottos are available, I'm told. Tampa -- Tasmina is with us

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here. As we watched PMQs, it seemed as though what was going on really

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cheered at the Labour benches. Is that right? Her performance was

:25:43.:25:46.

absolutely magnificent and George Osborne was nowhere near as good as

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David Cameron is, he has a good many years of practice in front of him.

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Both times George has had to do it, he has missed the mood of the house

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somehow and doesn't play to it. But Angela was totally composed and

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whilst I did get a few punches it felt like we were landing punches on

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them. After last week, it was bound to raise the chair. What happened on

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Wednesday that was missing in previous weeks? There's an obvious

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thing... I'm not very smart. Spell it out for me. I think Jeremy has

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been a lot better at PMQs than most people expected. The geography

:26:30.:26:32.

teacher star has become legendary. But I think one has to brace

:26:33.:26:38.

yourself when you are in BM cues from both sides about what is going

:26:39.:26:43.

to be said -- PMQs. A lot of that was said to Angela but she took it

:26:44.:26:46.

in her stride. It's quite personal when they are attacking Corbyn and

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you think, oh gosh, what is going to be said. What did you make of Angela

:26:51.:26:55.

Eagle's performance? I thought she did quite well. Osborne did not have

:26:56.:26:59.

a good PMQs on Wednesday, not least because Angela approached him and

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when Angus Robertson ask a couple of questions about the transfer of

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nuclear material from Dounreay to Wick, he had no idea what we were

:27:09.:27:11.

talking about and that was very clear from his answer. If you are at

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the dispatch box you need to know what's happening with nuclear

:27:16.:27:18.

material across the country and he was completely lost. He wasn't

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across his brief at all. One of the roles of Prime Minister's Questions,

:27:26.:27:28.

for either the Leader of the Opposition or the Prime Minister, is

:27:29.:27:31.

although it's not watched by millions and millions, it's the lift

:27:32.:27:39.

the enthusiasm, the confidence, the esprit de corps of your own side and

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Mr Osborne didn't really do that. I agree, he's not very relaxed in the

:27:46.:27:49.

position and that's what made Angela Eagle's performance so

:27:50.:27:51.

extraordinary. I was watching the clip, her sense of timing when she

:27:52.:27:55.

talks about, I have a letter from Donald of Brussels, and she allows

:27:56.:28:00.

the House to laugh, she waits for it, takes her time, then delivers

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the next line, absolute composure. It's very difficult to be so

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composed in those situations. If you've never done it before, either.

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Exactly, which is extraordinary. George hasn't done it often and it

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shows. How important, this time last week, we were gearing up for the old

:28:19.:28:23.

by-election which fortunately finished by 1:30am, the good people

:28:24.:28:27.

of Oldham had account quickly, how important was that result in shoring

:28:28.:28:33.

up all consolidating Mr Corbyn's position? Well, I think the whole

:28:34.:28:36.

atmosphere in Westminster this week is completely different from the

:28:37.:28:39.

atmosphere last week. Obviously there was lots of fractious

:28:40.:28:43.

goings-on last week over the Syria vote and we did have a divide in our

:28:44.:28:48.

party, a very clear divide, that can be written on a list. This week, Jim

:28:49.:28:53.

was there, he was being sworn in, there was a happy feeling, and it

:28:54.:28:58.

took quite a lot of the flak off Jeremy actually and whilst people

:28:59.:29:03.

have been trying to get the Stop the War thing to run and run it seemed

:29:04.:29:06.

to fall flat and Westminster was more cheerful so it did him a huge

:29:07.:29:10.

amount of favours this week. Isn't it in the SNP's interests for Mr

:29:11.:29:14.

Corbyn to consolidate his position, or is it better that things are seen

:29:15.:29:20.

to fall apart, because there are 56 SNP, two have lost the whip, at

:29:21.:29:25.

least 54, who, you can see ourselves as being a formidable opposition? If

:29:26.:29:30.

Mr Corbyn becomes that, then you don't? We've been described as the

:29:31.:29:36.

effective opposition foreign number of weeks now and I'd seek to deny

:29:37.:29:40.

just a victory in the Oldham by-election but it was telling when

:29:41.:29:43.

Angela Eagle went to the dispatch box there was a resounding cheer

:29:44.:29:46.

from the Labour benches and although Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the

:29:47.:29:50.

Labour party I don't believe he's leading the Labour Party and they

:29:51.:29:54.

are deeply divided. It's for them to get their act together. While that

:29:55.:29:58.

is still ongoing there needs to be an effective opposition at

:29:59.:30:02.

Westminster holding this government to who are having a relentless

:30:03.:30:05.

assault on the poor and vulnerable of this country and we are stepping

:30:06.:30:09.

up to the plate. I would have said the Oldham by-election as a tactical

:30:10.:30:12.

success of the strategic disaster for the Labour Party because... It

:30:13.:30:19.

means nothing, Ewan-macro in a safe Labour seat. If you had lost it

:30:20.:30:24.

would have meant something. Jeremy Corbyn is more entrenched and as far

:30:25.:30:27.

as you're concerned he is the problem so the problem has been

:30:28.:30:32.

cemented in position. Let's speak of a Tory problem, it seems to get

:30:33.:30:36.

bigger and bigger, and that's Europe and the renegotiation, and the lead

:30:37.:30:40.

up to the referendum. Does anybody by this speech from the Prime

:30:41.:30:45.

Minister that if he doesn't get his way he's going to lead the out

:30:46.:30:46.

campaign? I'm not aware of anyone believing

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that. You don't believe it either. It is impossible to believe, yes. I

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would suggest the European leaders know that as well. Of course. So not

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a good negotiating position. No, that is where he started and that is

:31:14.:31:17.

where he is now. From the beginning he made clear he wants to keep

:31:18.:31:21.

Britain in the EU, so from the beginning he has undermined his

:31:22.:31:26.

negotiating position. Is he getting anywhere in negotiations? Not that I

:31:27.:31:31.

am aware. It feels like his swansong. If he falls apart on your

:31:32.:31:35.

people say, I said I was going to go, goodbye. This is the problem for

:31:36.:31:41.

Mr Cameron, because if it goes pear shaped from his point of view on

:31:42.:31:45.

Europe, that is probably the end of his career on -- as Prime Minister.

:31:46.:31:53.

How unfortunate! Yes, it is impossible to imagine he would

:31:54.:31:59.

survive that, particularly because we would only vote to leave the EU,

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I assume, if the majority of the English had voted for it and

:32:04.:32:07.

probably a minority of the Scots. The next thing would be a new demand

:32:08.:32:12.

for a referendum in Scotland. Would there be? Well, if we are dragged

:32:13.:32:19.

out of the EU against our will there is a much a case for the Scots

:32:20.:32:22.

saying, we want to do things ourselves. David Cameron at the

:32:23.:32:25.

moment is creating nothing but enemies, acting like a spoiled

:32:26.:32:29.

schoolboy, at a time when we are involved in conflict and have a

:32:30.:32:33.

refugee situation, when we should be working together, not against each

:32:34.:32:38.

other. You all agreed that things are not going well for him and I

:32:39.:32:43.

understand that. But if this country voted to leave, and I know that in

:32:44.:32:46.

Downing Street they are more worried of that than they were couple of

:32:47.:32:53.

months ago because he has kind of lost control, I agree. So if it goes

:32:54.:32:57.

the wrong way from his point of view and we vote to leave, but Scotland

:32:58.:33:03.

had actually voted to stay in, but a majority of England voted to leave

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and the numbers meant we had a majority to leave, would that

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trigger, in your view, a second referendum? Would the SNP demand a

:33:12.:33:17.

second referendum? That would demonstrate again how we look at

:33:18.:33:20.

things in different ways and have different aspirations for our

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country of Scotland. It has been mentioned before, it certainly could

:33:25.:33:30.

be considered as a trigger. But it would not automatically trigger a

:33:31.:33:32.

referendum because there are a number of things you have to go

:33:33.:33:36.

through. First, it has to be in your manifesto, then you have two win an

:33:37.:33:39.

election, to be the government, and then you have to win the referendum.

:33:40.:33:46.

We will get the sense if the people of Scotland want that. Surely,

:33:47.:33:51.

Nicola Sturgeon if, as the polls suggest she will be re-elected and

:33:52.:33:54.

the SNP will still be running Holyrood, if she wanted a referendum

:33:55.:34:01.

she could call 41. She could, as a result of the European referendum.

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This may be a referendum but we act as a democracy and Nicola is a

:34:08.:34:09.

Democrat and will not make a decision on her own. She will speak

:34:10.:34:14.

to the people and take a feel of what they want to do. If the opinion

:34:15.:34:18.

polls show you would not win, you would not hold one. Another

:34:19.:34:23.

revelation, we knock on doors in Scotland and speak to people. I

:34:24.:34:30.

worked that out. They do in Birmingham, too. Michael does not

:34:31.:34:36.

knock on doors. I don't any more. I think the two of you underestimate

:34:37.:34:41.

the situation. It is not only that we are going to vote to leave, it is

:34:42.:34:45.

that we would then leave. It is such a change, it rewrites the political

:34:46.:34:50.

landscape completely. I think the way you are saying, we would have to

:34:51.:34:55.

take a view, of course Scottish people would say, we demand a

:34:56.:35:00.

referendum. It is not just as simple as saying, see you later. Thank you

:35:01.:35:03.

for being with us. Now, the reason This Week is so god

:35:04.:35:06.

damn popular is no mystery - Whether it's Michael

:35:07.:35:09.

Portillo and Alan Johnson, Michael Portillo and Gisela Stuart,

:35:10.:35:12.

or just Michael Portillo the This Week camera lens has

:35:13.:35:17.

got pretty damn steamy. And that's before we've even

:35:18.:35:24.

mentioned Diane Abbott, who hadn't known a love like Michael

:35:25.:35:25.

since that East German motorbike holiday she took with Comrade Corbyn

:35:26.:35:29.

back in the late 70s. And you know what they say

:35:30.:35:35.

about East German motorbike holidays - what happens behind

:35:36.:35:37.

the Berlin Wall, stays behind That's why we're putting

:35:38.:35:40.

the politics of "personal chemistry" There is only one happiness in this

:35:41.:35:44.

life - to love and to be loved. Lessons in love, but do politicians

:35:45.:35:55.

need to learn a thing or two They've been connected for years,

:35:56.:35:59.

but will Jezza stand up Stop The Labour leader's guest of honour

:36:00.:36:06.

at the group's annual Christmas party, proving that

:36:07.:36:11.

even if his Parliamentary party They say a close relationship

:36:12.:36:13.

is about give and take. David Cameron celebrated his 10th

:36:14.:36:20.

anniversary as Tory leader this week by letting his nearest and dearest

:36:21.:36:25.

take his place at PMQs. To leave his best friend in the best

:36:26.:36:30.

position to replace him. I think my right honourable friend

:36:31.:36:34.

the Prime Minister did But does a winning

:36:35.:36:37.

formula in politics... ..always mean good chemistry

:36:38.:36:39.

in person? It certainly got icy between this

:36:40.:36:42.

duo, after they moved So when it comes to chemistry

:36:43.:36:46.

on a big date, maybe you should just Just ask the staff at

:36:47.:36:53.

the First Dates restaurant, who've seen more crazy

:36:54.:36:58.

experiments than most. Do you have any political

:36:59.:37:02.

views yourself? I shouldn't say it as if it's

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a dirty secret. The This Week chemistry lab -

:37:05.:37:13.

always causing strong And I'm joined in the This Week

:37:14.:37:15.

restuarant by CiCi Coleman You throw together two complete

:37:16.:37:39.

strangers in a restaurant, both single and looking for love. And you

:37:40.:37:43.

then from the encounter. It sounds really awkward. Well, it is awkward,

:37:44.:37:49.

slightly. When you have an understanding of what you are doing,

:37:50.:37:53.

you know you are going on a date, so you are preparing yourself. It is

:37:54.:37:59.

awkward but it doesn't need to be awkward. Can you tell if people are

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going to hit it off? When they come in the door, yes, sometimes you have

:38:06.:38:07.

a strong inclination that it is going to work. The way people look

:38:08.:38:13.

at you, their body language, I contact, and the vibe they give you.

:38:14.:38:18.

Somebody walks into the restaurant and you see straightaway that it is

:38:19.:38:22.

going to work or not. You can tell. Can you tell, too? I like to think I

:38:23.:38:32.

can. I have an idea. What kind hit it off, and is it because they are

:38:33.:38:37.

similar, like-minded, same interests, or are there examples of

:38:38.:38:43.

opposites attract? There are so many elements to why people like each

:38:44.:38:48.

other. You could talk about anything. You could have a

:38:49.:38:53.

connection, or no connection, in terms of different star signs, your

:38:54.:38:56.

parents are from different areas, whatever. But if you have that thing

:38:57.:39:01.

called chemistry, then you can't deny that. It is real. You can't

:39:02.:39:07.

deny that. There must be examples of one of the two thinking, we are

:39:08.:39:11.

getting on like a house on fire, and the other one can't wait to get out.

:39:12.:39:19.

It does happen. What Cici is saying about chemistry, it is unconscious.

:39:20.:39:24.

You cannot control it, it happens or does not. Sometimes chemistry can be

:39:25.:39:28.

short lived, and it may be just that you are very excited. It does not to

:39:29.:39:33.

be sexual, you just want to have a conversation because you are

:39:34.:39:36.

interested to find out more and go deeper into what they have to say.

:39:37.:39:40.

With others, it may be just last chemistry. The one I am interested

:39:41.:39:47.

in is long-term chemistry, where you want a relationship, not necessarily

:39:48.:39:50.

with a man a woman you want to have sex with. It can just be a

:39:51.:39:54.

relationship where you want to connect and have deep, meaningful

:39:55.:39:57.

conversation. It is about that connection. You have the cameras

:39:58.:40:05.

running, each side, if they fancy the other side, they are trying to

:40:06.:40:09.

impress the other side as well. It is kind of artificial, is it not?

:40:10.:40:14.

When people walk in, they know they are coming on a TV programme but it

:40:15.:40:19.

is a first date. They walked in and the cameras are on the side and you

:40:20.:40:23.

can see them but after a while you forget about it. People actually

:40:24.:40:29.

genuinely wants to find love. When they are just talking, even though

:40:30.:40:33.

some people may be controlled, they completely open up. This is what you

:40:34.:40:39.

see and the beauty of the programme, it is almost like anthropology, the

:40:40.:40:42.

study of people, a social experiment. It is warm and beautiful

:40:43.:40:48.

to watch, isn't it? One of the singletons was so nervous that he

:40:49.:40:51.

thought the way to break the ice was to talk about politics. Liberal

:40:52.:40:59.

Democrat, works every time! Jess, you have been on a blind date with

:41:00.:41:05.

649 other MPs, since you are new to Parliament. Any political or

:41:06.:41:10.

personal chemistry going? I have you -- I hear you have a thing for Jacob

:41:11.:41:16.

Rees-Mogg. Here's a man who in the Venn diagram of things we agree on,

:41:17.:41:21.

we could not find one single one. But he is so well brought up. He

:41:22.:41:27.

opens the door for you and stuff. I have never known anyone do that sort

:41:28.:41:30.

of thing. He is really lovely and we definitely have chemistry. But your

:41:31.:41:37.

show is amazing. I love it. It is so awkward, sometimes it is brilliant.

:41:38.:41:42.

It is the awkward bit that you like? I like it when people do not know

:41:43.:41:47.

what to say and they say things like, I am a Liberal Democrat. Any

:41:48.:41:53.

political relationships at work because of chemistry? Diane Abbott

:41:54.:41:59.

and me. We have known each other for a very long time, and if you have

:42:00.:42:06.

done that, you are likely to have chemistry. Chemistry is about

:42:07.:42:10.

sincerity and confidence and strong self-esteem and knowing who you are.

:42:11.:42:13.

You can share something and be on the same level. You have to have

:42:14.:42:17.

that grounding, otherwise you can't share anything because one is here

:42:18.:42:23.

and one is down here. Any chemistry here? Jess has got her legs crossed

:42:24.:42:35.

the wrong way. I like trains! Half of you is all right. David and

:42:36.:42:41.

George, that is chemistry. That is important chemistry. Maybe some of

:42:42.:42:48.

it has to rub off from Mr Cameron to Mr Osborne. Just before we go, Fred,

:42:49.:42:53.

I am told you have a pop-up restaurant at Thamesmead prison.

:42:54.:43:00.

Today I was there at 9am. We opened a pop-up in Thamesmead. It is the

:43:01.:43:05.

launch of a new charity called a clean slate to open pop-up

:43:06.:43:10.

restaurants and teach people the skill of the hospitality industry

:43:11.:43:12.

and the value of the hospitality industry. We opened it with 20

:43:13.:43:19.

prisoners. And then we cooked for 40 guests. It was unbelievable, the

:43:20.:43:25.

energy. The prisoners were so observant and they were listening

:43:26.:43:28.

and so attentive to everything we did and said. The good thing is that

:43:29.:43:32.

some of them are going to be released shortly. One is released

:43:33.:43:35.

tomorrow and he is going to give me a call and hopefully we can get him

:43:36.:43:39.

a job, depending on what he is looking for. And there are vacancies

:43:40.:43:45.

available? In the industry there are so many vacancies and you cannot

:43:46.:43:49.

find staff. It is important to find people from this country because

:43:50.:43:52.

there has never been a better time to be in the industry. You cannot

:43:53.:43:56.

find waiters, chefs, managers. People can earn up to ?40,000

:43:57.:44:01.

easily. And the average salary in the UK is 18,000. Hopefully we can

:44:02.:44:08.

open more around the country. And U2 are together now, on the sofa. We

:44:09.:44:13.

have chemistry, but not that kind of chemistry.

:44:14.:44:15.

Because it's the annual Stop the War Christmas disco

:44:16.:44:20.

We're off to pull Comrade Corbyn's cracker and blame Western

:44:21.:44:23.

intervention for the fact that there's never any toilet paper

:44:24.:44:26.

The TV equivalent of the Government's position on a third

:44:27.:44:41.

Nighty night - don't let the total void bite.

:44:42.:45:08.

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