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Join us in our one horse town, for a political remake | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
of The Magnificent, or not so magnificent, | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
Shoot-out in the Westminster village, as Tory gunslingers finally | :00:18. | :00:28. | |
LBC cowboy Nick Ferrari is our marauding bandit. | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
Boris' move this week could see him on the way to being the number one | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
will the dust ever clear before the public cast their votes? | :00:40. | :00:51. | |
The Observer's Andrew Rawnsley has an itchy trigger finger. | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
It's high noon for Sheriff Cameron in Dodge City. | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
Will the Labour posse ride out to help him win his referendum? | :00:59. | :01:07. | |
And quickest off the draw in the United States, | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Republican front-runner Donald Trump is winning the Wild West. | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
Ana Matronic from the Scissor Sisters is diving for cover. | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
Once upon a Time in America we had some pretty great politicians. Now, | :01:23. | :01:33. | |
just a bunch of Tumbleweed. I see more sharpshooters in the This Week | :01:34. | :01:34. | |
studio. Once you've met them, | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
you'll never forget them. Now, hands up if you've | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
ever been invited to But I know a man who has: | :01:41. | :01:51. | |
Justice Minister Michael Gove, who was guest of honour last week | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
at Chez Boris Johnson, for a wild night of anguished | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
Brexit machinations - as they considered the pros and cons | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
of the EU and stitching up Liz Hurley was invited too, | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
no doubt for her intellectual insights into the Commission's | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
attitude to subsidiarity and the ECB's approach | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
to quantitative easing(!) Problems on the Northern Line | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
at Angel, I'm told. For Downing Street euro guru | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
Oliver Letwin was on hand, via speaker-phone - I kid you not - | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
to talk them through the details of a Parliamentary Sovereignty Bill | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
which Call-Me-Dave had agreed to draft just to keep BoGo onside | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
during the referendum. But, after 20 minutes | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
of Dearest Olly droning on about the constitution, | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
as they tucked into their grilled goats' cheese on a bed of pureed | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
beetroot in a balsamic drizzle, BoGo and GoGove decided it was time | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
to hang up and Vote Leave, thereby illustrating | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
an infallible Whitehall maxim - if you want something screwed up, | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
just involve Olly the Wally. Speaking of people who bore | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
for Britain in a reformed European Union, I'm joined | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
on the sofa tonight by two people who believe in their own genius - | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
think of them as the Kanye West and the Mae West of | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
late-night political chat. I speak, of course, | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
of #ramalammydingdong David Lammy. And #sadmanonatrain Michael - | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
"Where's Ma Kilt, I'm Michael, your moment of the week? | :03:24. | :03:40. | |
Downing Street keeps organising these letters about the European | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
Union. All of them irk me, but the one that really irked me was the one | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
they organised of generals and admirals. They were cajoled into | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
saying they thought our security depended on remaining in the | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
European Union. I thought how furious Downing Street would be if, | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
habitually, generals and admirals gave political opinions. They are | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
not there to give political opinions. It is politicians who make | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
policy. I thought to myself, what sort of society is it where generals | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
and admirals have political opinions? I remember, it is in | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
authoritarian societies, in dictatorships. And the letter gave | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
no reason why security would be better. And they put a general's | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
name on it and he had not signed. Indeed. Your moment? My moment is | :04:31. | :04:42. | |
the YouTube phenomenon this week of the 106-year-old woman who goes to | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
the White House for the first time and ends up dancing with President | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
Obama and Michelle Obama, who says, I want to be like you when I grow | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
up. A wonderful black history moment. Wonderful. It is never nice | :05:00. | :05:13. | |
to be jilted, and modern manners makes it worse, now that the default | :05:14. | :05:25. | |
way is by text. Imagine the Prime Minister's anger and dismay when | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Boris' rejection popped up on his mobile phone only ten minutes before | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
he told the world of his betrayal. Hardly surprising that Mr Cameron | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
sounded like a spurned lover when he confronted him in public. Always sad | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
when old Etonian 's fall out and turn Westminster it -- into a brutal | :05:45. | :05:54. | |
form of the school's war game. But Boris cannot be bought by the | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
baubles of power. Or maybe it was the prospect of power that made him | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
do it. Here is his co-presenter on LBC Radio, Nick Ferrari. | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
I've asked Boris about the EU more times than David Cameron has ridden | :06:12. | :06:21. | |
If he didn't get the deal, then he himself... | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
You'd be prepared to campaign for an exit. | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
And he's gone back and forth on the issue as much as your average | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
Because he is torn between the Scylla of disloyalty | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
to his old friend Cameron and the Charybdis of what he sees | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
as an unworkable political institution. | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
Boris' ambition is doubtlessly vaunting. | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
But this week ridiculous allegation after | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
ridiculous allegation have been volleyed at the mayor. | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
Critics have been quick to lob claims that Boris' | :07:06. | :07:17. | |
But for all the buffoonery, this is a principled man | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
who's expressed a well articulated and genuine view. | :07:23. | :07:31. | |
Boris can put a powerful top spin on any argument | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
and I think those on the remain side aren right to be worried. | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
I think he could just steal victory from them on June 23rd. | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
Because you can focus on him inventing stories | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
about whiff-whaff, or dangling limply from a zip wire while waving | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
the union flag, or blustering his way | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
through a radio grilling, where he had very few facts | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
# Cos you're hot, then you're cold | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
All this whiff-whaff can be quite a mare. | :08:04. | :08:20. | |
The mayor might have firmly grabbed the ball | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
that came free from the back of the scrum and, to mix my sporting | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
metaphors, he plays an open-handed game. | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
And it might just deliver him the Prime Ministership | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
From Bounce Ping Pong Bar in Farringdon to a volley of drivel | :08:31. | :08:41. | |
here on This Week, Nick Ferrari joins us now. | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
Welcome back on the programme. Nick, are you really asking us to believe | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
that in coming to this decision, Boris never considered what it might | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
mean for his chances to become Prime Minister? No, I think he has seen it | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
as an opportunity as well but I think it is an absolute game | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
changer. Suddenly you can say you are in favour of Brexit and it has a | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
degree of credibility that would never be afforded by the likes of | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
George Galloway. Of course he has seized his opportunity but I did | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
believe him when he was outside his home and he said he had wrestled | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
with his conscience. I don't think he found it easy. If his conscience | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
had said, if I do this I will never be Prime Minister, would he have | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
done it? Probably not. I see the opportunity he has taken but he has | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
made it interesting for people like you and me. He always does. Michael, | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
it was interesting, when the Prime Minister was on the Andrew Marr | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
Show, he positioned himself with regard to Nigel Farage, four times. | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
Now he will be asked, it is you and Boris Johnson. It is the face that | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
the leave campaign was looking for. Yes, and Michael Gove, too. He is | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
not as popular as Boris but he gives it a lot of intellectual clout. When | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
the Justice Secretary says that the European Court is not going to | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
respect this agreement, that carries a certain amount of weight because | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
he is Justice Secretary. I am very pleased to have Boris onside, but I | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
think Nick has probably produced the most tongue in cheek contribution to | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
our programme in the last 480 episodes. It does mean that the | :10:32. | :10:40. | |
leave side have the most intelligent cabinet minister in the government | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
and the most popular Tory politician, perhaps the most popular | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
politician in the country. It may not change the result but it | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
certainly gives the campaign are much bigger shout. Yes, but they | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
also have someone who on February the 7th said that leaving would be | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
messy and go on for ages, and one week later changed his mind. It was | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
beautiful orchestration and theatre. I suspect he got some spin advice | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
from Nick, the next Andy Coulson, but clearly this is about an old | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
fight that goes back to Eton. It is about Boris' desire to walk into | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
Number Ten. Whatever happens in June, David Cameron is finished. He | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
is finished if he wins. Why? Rather like in Scotland, there will be a | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
backlash within the Conservative ranks about the guy that kept us in. | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
And if he loses, Boris steps in. That is why he did it. At this | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
moment, Boris is a figure that has vacillated, and that is never good | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
if you actually want the serious job of running the country. I think it | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
is an example of Boris' of wanting to have his cake and eat it. Even if | :12:00. | :12:08. | |
it votes to remain, and I don't think Mr Cameron will be holed below | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
the water line if the country votes to remain. But even if there is a | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
vote to remain, when it comes to the next leadership the Tories will have | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
remorse, and the man who led the leave campaign still has a chance of | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
being leader. You can never discount someone like Boris. What intrigues | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
me is the relationship between him and Cameron. I think both of them | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
cannot quite believe how the other got where they are. I think Johnson | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
thinks, how did he get to Number Ten. Cameron thinks, how can he make | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
such an asked of himself and get away with it. The dynamic is | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
such an asked of himself and get fascinating. I think Boris | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
such an asked of himself and get calculation right because the way | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
the Conservatives elect their leader is that members of Parliament select | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
two candidates who are put before the mass membership. The mass party | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
membership is very Eurosceptical. They nearly always vote for them or | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
euro-sceptic of the two candidates. They voted for David Cameron because | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
they thought he was the more Eurosceptical of the candidates. | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
they thought he was the more great puzzle to me is why did | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
calculation. Do you agree with David calculation. Do you agree with David | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
Lammy that even if it is a vote to remain, Cameron is finished? | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
Lammy that even if it is a vote to that he has told us he will not | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
fight the next election, so he is finished in | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
fight the next election, so he is Blair was finished as soon | :13:37. | :13:36. | |
fight the next election, so he is made clear he was not going on and | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
on. There will come a point when power will move away from the Prime | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
on. There will come a point when Minister, and that will be | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
on. There will come a point when than he hopes or thinks. It is clear | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
that the Prime Minister was surprised by this. | :13:50. | :13:49. | |
that the Prime Minister was believe he was going to lose Mr | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
that the Prime Minister was usual suspects, Iain Duncan-Smith | :13:58. | :13:59. | |
and John usual suspects, Iain Duncan-Smith | :14:00. | :14:09. | |
context I have, you never quite know where you are. | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
context I have, you never quite know He will sell you down the river. And | :14:12. | :14:20. | |
he has done it to David Cameron. The way he reacted to the two, he | :14:21. | :14:30. | |
did put the "bully" in the Bullingdon Club. The first broadside | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
that he fires, he's hit the sweet spot because you look at the | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
front-pages today and Cameron is limbering up to get him out. Those | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
two - this is the opening exchanges - and they have got through... It is | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
all bully, bully, bully. As you say, it was this morning, the headline | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
was that Gove is going to be sacked for what he said. This is | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
to the assurances... To be fair, Downing Street did move to slap that | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
to the assurances... To be fair, down first thing this morning. I | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
wonder how it got there in the first place. What did you think about | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
that? I could never believe Downing Street would speak with two voices - | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
maybe three or four! My hope of how there may be a Leave vote is the | :15:18. | :15:24. | |
bullying will make people sick. When they see all the generals cajoled | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
into writing a letter, Cabinet Ministers threatened because they | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
say what is on their mind, people will say if this is good for | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
business, for generals, for bankers, if the Prime Minister wants to shut | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
everybody up, I might vote against this lot. If there is one race on | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
earth you don't bully into things, it's the Brits. We don't take | :15:45. | :15:54. | |
bullying. We don't. I'm not going to ask for a prediction. As things | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
stand now, given everything that's happened in the first week, how do | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
you think the result would go if we had the vote tomorrow? Because the | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
Leave campaigns are in disarray, I would say that we would vote to stay | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
in. Tighter than you may have thought a week or a month ago? The | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
refugee crisis, frankly... That is a developing event. It is a real | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
problem. The Prime Minister wants... It's a vote on immigration. The | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
Prime Minister was worried about the migrant crisis, but the fact is we | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
have a migrant crisis every day of the week. What do you think? It is | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
probably remain at the moment. We have a Metropolitan focus, and it is | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
very different outside London. I think it's a bit like shy Tories, | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
there may be lots of people who don't want to say they are leaving, | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
but do want to leave. There will be differential abstention, old people | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
are more likely to vote than young people. And just as we couldn't | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
identify Tories last time, many of those Tories who come out to vote | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
will be leavers. So the opinion polls will have to be taken with a | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
pinch of salt. Week one to Brexit, no question about it. They have won | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
the battle. They haven't won the war. It will be tight. They are | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
rattled. The remains are rattled. Thank you. | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
Now, it's late - Chai Blue Nun Latte late. | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
So pour yourself another one, and feel the sugar rush - | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
because waiting in the wings, Ana Matronic from the Scissor | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
Sisters is here to discuss coming to terms with Trump. | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
And if you want a sense of the incoherent anger bouncing | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
around inside Donald Trump's mind, just take a look at our Twitter | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
feed, our Fleecebook page, and Gordon Brown's Intergalactic | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
Now, here on This Week we always listen to our mothers... | :17:44. | :17:51. | |
That's why David always wears a proper suit... | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
And Michael even knows the words to the second verse | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
of the National Anthem - though we won't ask, | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
So thank goodness, a witty Labour MP heckled David Cameron | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
during a rather predictable Prime Minister's Questions, | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
asking what Call-Me-Dave's Mum would make of her son's cutting | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
We're grateful for the question and the response because it's given | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
Andrew Rawnsley something other than Boris Johnson to talk | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
about in his round-up of the political week. | :18:24. | :18:34. | |
MUSIC: Theme from The Magnificent Seven | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
There were five members of the Cabinet supporting exit, the famous | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
five of that time, and then we were joined by Michael Gove, so we became | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
six, and, of course, now Boris has arrived and so... | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
I'm just hoping we don't become The Hateful Eight! | :18:46. | :18:54. | |
Well, partner, your bunch also includes "Wild" Nigel Farage, | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
Do they deserve to be called "hateful"? | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
David Cameron can think of stronger words. | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
When it came to the Gunfight at the Referendum Corral, | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
Sheriff Cameron always knew he would be confronted | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
by some Cabinet outlaws, but the Prime Minister had been | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
hoping they would be confined to more obscure Tory personalities. | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
So he was shocked when Michael "The Lawman" Gove joined the rebel | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
posse and he was taken aback when that blond bandit from the wild | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
frontiers of Islington saddled up with the Out gang. | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
Boris Johnson, the man with no shame. | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
I have decided, after a huge amount of heartache, | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
because I did not want to do anything - I wanted... | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
The last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
But, after a great deal of heartache, I don't think | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
I will be advocating Vote Leave, or whatever the team | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
More like power ache, so say the friends | :20:04. | :20:14. | |
They report that the Prime Minister regards this as an act | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
of unforgivable treachery, motivated by sheer vanity | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
"Buffalo" Boris is just after the Sheriff's badge. | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
In the hope of keeping the next four months civilised, | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
Tory MPs have been urged not to turn it into a saloon bar brawl, | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
which didn't stop their leader breaking a bottle over the head | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
I believe that Britain will be stronger, safer and better off | :20:39. | :20:48. | |
by remaining in a reformed European Union. | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
I have no other agenda than what is best for our country. | :20:52. | :21:02. | |
Much of the media coverage has presented the momentous choice | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
facing the United Kingdom as a shootout between these two | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
But this is - let's not forget this - everyone's country | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
It's worth remembering that this referendum is about... | :21:18. | :21:27. | |
is actually about the future of our country, not the future | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
Good to see "No Cattle" Nick back in town. | :21:31. | :21:44. | |
The result will greatly depend on whether the Labour Party can | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
mobilise its supporters to vote for EU membership. | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
And that's a concern for pro-Europeans, given | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
the reputation of Labour as the gang that can't shoot straight. | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
Jeremy "Old Timer" Corbyn is a lifelong | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
Eurosceptic and struggles to be a persuasive advocate | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
So it's important that other members of | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
the Labour posse show they can hit a target. | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
The Mayor of London, who has been touted | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
as the leader of the leave campaign, said yesterday that Britain would be | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
easily able to negotiate a large number of trade deals at great speed | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
because we used to run the greatest, biggest empire in the world. | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
Will he invite the mayor to wake up to the 21st century? | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
Deadeye Dave has most of the bigger guns saddling up with the in gang, | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
including every living former sheriff. | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
I think and believe and certainly desperately hope that when people | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
look at this issue, realise how much instability, | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
uncertainty, difficulty the country would have if it actually pulled out | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
of the largest political union, biggest commercial market | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
in the world, right on our doorstep, I hope | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
Compared with the passions ignited by Europe, | :23:12. | :23:22. | |
Prime Minister's Questions was as arid as Monument Valley. | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
Not so much High Noon as dull moon, until | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
someone on the Labour side livened things up with a heckle | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
I think I know what my mother would say. | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
She would look across the dispatch box | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
and she would say, "Put on a proper suit, do up your tie | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
There followed an excruciating 30 seconds of unified | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
Tory hilarity, before Jeremy Corbyn got his iron out of the holster. | :23:53. | :24:00. | |
My late mother would have said, "Stand up for the principle | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
"of a health service free at the point of use for everyone". | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
And my ma would say, "Don't rope me into this | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
With going on for half of his MPs against him, | :24:12. | :24:20. | |
can Sheriff Cameron get through the next four months | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
without things turning really nasty in Dodge City? | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
Andrew Rawnsley there at the Django Bango cowboy town | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
And we're joined now by cowgirl Miranda Green and Ukip outlaw, | :24:36. | :24:44. | |
Outlaw? Mr Farage has removed you, what have you done, to upset Big | :24:45. | :25:01. | |
Nige? To get sacked again! I don't know. Obviously, disappointed that | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
I'm no longer Deputy Chairman. I have plenty of other titles... What | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
have you done to joup set him? -- upset him? I don't think I have done | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
anything to upset him. My co-chairman got the e-mail this week | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
and we have been replaced. These are fresh faces? Well, they... Is it you | :25:28. | :25:36. | |
joining Vote Leave, is that what he doesn't like? You joined the wrong | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
club? I've said that I have joined all the clubs, all the Brexit clubs | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
because I don't see the point in not campaigning with anybody that wants | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
to get out of the European Union. Our members feel the same. He's | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
never forgiven you, since you said to me on the Daily Politics that he | :25:54. | :26:00. | |
was a Marmite character? Which he said himself on several occasions. I | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
have taken a lot of flak since that interview. It is amazing, I still | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
admire you greatly, despite it. I'm amazed you have still come back on! | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
Nigel said he is a Marmite figure and that is the issue here. We need | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
to have a cross-party campaign, lots of people on board, fantastic, Boris | :26:20. | :26:26. | |
has come on board, because we all need to have different ways of | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
tackling the Brexit issue. I will be talking about this at a fringe event | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
in Llandudno on Saturday. I hope Mr Farage turns up. I wouldn't hold | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
your breath. Who would be better to lead the Leave campaign? Would it be | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
Boris or Nigel? I have always said again that I don't think there | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
should be any one person to lead the campaign. I would love to see | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
Michael Gove debate David Cameron. Whether or not that is going to | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
happen - we know Michael Gove will antagonise every teach neR the | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
country. -- teacher in the country. Should it be Nigel or Boris up | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
against the Prime Minister? It could be either. Both would do an | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
excellent job. I think... You have been very loyal for somebody who has | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
just been fired? It is not about me. It is about... It is all about | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
Nigel. It is about country before party. The current thinking is that | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
there might be two teams having that final debate rather than one single | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
person. What evidence can you give us that Mr Corbyn has any conviction | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
for staying in the EU? Let's face it. Jeremy... Let's face it - that | :27:34. | :27:43. | |
is playing for time! He is on the Euro-sceptic wing of the Labour | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
Party. Having said that, he is absolutely an internationalist, he | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
cares a lot about the social union that is the European Union... He was | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
an internationalist in '75 and he voted against. The context in 2016 | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
of exiting he is sold on. For that reason, the Labour Party completely | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
is more or less united. The Labour Party has designated Saturday as a | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
day for In campaigning. That's right. What is Mr Corbyn doing? Mr | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
Corbyn, I think is going to a CND rally. Correct. What does that tell | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
you? Interesting. That issue is also important. On the day of the In | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
campaign for Labour. I haven't seen Jeremy's diary. I would be surprised | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
if he's not doing something also on the In campaign. We shall see. | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
Miranda, there is a problem in all this for Mr Cameron, isn't there? If | :28:39. | :28:47. | |
you assume the Tory vote will probably tend to vote Leave rather | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
than Remain, he needs Labour votes to win and with Mr Corbyn, the | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
ability to deliver these Labour votes is under some doubt. It is | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
true. The Remain campaign does look as if it is going to be the Cameron | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
campaign. He is the figurehead, and that is why moments like PMQs this | :29:11. | :29:19. | |
week are really bad news for Remain. This kind of terrible Etonian | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
arrogance is very, very alienating to a lot of people. I do think that | :29:23. | :29:31. | |
it is going to matter how... When Jeremy talks about workers' rights, | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
don't underestimate the power of the unions to communicate with their | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
members the importance of staying in. Alan Johnson is leading the | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
Labour In campaign, he is doing a fantastic job. | :29:44. | :29:52. | |
The thrust of your campaign is workers rights? This country can't | :29:53. | :30:03. | |
deliver workers rights? You sit at home, you generally vote Labour come | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
you listen to the arguments and on this occasion you are listening to | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
arguments from David Cameron and others. How will it galvanise Labour | :30:10. | :30:18. | |
voters if you see David Cameron on television? On this occasion it is | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
preferable to listening to Michael Gove or Boris Johnson. You think Mr | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
Cameron will galvanise Labour voters? People are thinking about | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
security, the place we trade with. They understand that there would be | :30:33. | :30:42. | |
free movement even if we... I think people are largely thinking about | :30:43. | :30:44. | |
immigration because the Prime Minister told them to think about | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
immigration. The Prime Minister told them the main threat was from the EU | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
migrants claiming benefits. I thought all of this was fatuous. | :30:54. | :31:01. | |
Leaving the EU will make that worse. I am afraid the horse has bolted. | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
The Prime Minister has told the country it is about immigration. | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
This gets to the heart of it, which is that in most referendums, the | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
onus is on those who want change to make the case. There is a bias | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
towards the status quo. What's worrying for the Remain side is that | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
it does not feel like that because it feels there is a presumption of | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
risk on either side. So there is a larger job for David Cameron and | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Alan Johnson and the others on the Remain side, to try to regain ground | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
that in other referendums is already yours. You would only be human if | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
you were Nicola Sturgeon or Jeremy Corbyn not to think, I may want to | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
stay in but politically it is in my interest that the country votes out, | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
because that gives us opportunities we would not have otherwise. | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
Politics is sometimes very self-interested, isn't it? I think | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
what Miranda has said about the status quo is interesting. I could | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
not understand how anybody who voted out in 1975 could vote to stay in | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
now, when the European Union has got so much bigger, so much worse, more | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
powerful, more dictatorial. I just don't know how he can look at | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
himself in the mirror every morning and stand back from the campaign. We | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
are not voting for the status quo. If we vote to remain, the EU will | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
get more power, get more confident about having even more say over us. | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
The safer option is to leave. That is Horlicks. We are not the sick man | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
of Europe today. Look at the economy. That is because we came out | :32:46. | :32:59. | |
of the euro. Look at where we trade. David, you are absolutely right, in | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
1975 we were the sick man of Europe. I will gloss over the fact that it | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
was a Labour government then. But you are right, we were the sick man | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
of Europe. That is why we voted to stay with the winning team, which | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
was Europe. Could you remind me how that will work this time round? And | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
we thought it was a common market. No one said the European Union is | :33:30. | :33:38. | |
perfect. Is the eurozone now the sick man of Europe? You give a bit, | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
you gain a bit. It is about compromise. But on jobs, on | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
terrorism, with the problems with Russia at the moment, the refugee | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
crisis that can only be solved by collective cross-border agreements, | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
are we serious about X sitting at this point? What is the unemployment | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
rate in the eurozone? I don't know. You just said jobs are important. Of | :34:06. | :34:13. | |
course jobs are important. If jobs are so important, why is | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
unemployment rate 11th ascent in the eurozone? Jobs are dependent on | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
exports, on those who come to this country, on the people that go to | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
Europe and take up those jobs. David is doing a brilliant job, and keep | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
at it, but this illustrates the problem. You are having to work very | :34:33. | :34:40. | |
hard. Only with the Eurosceptics. The remaining campaign needs to | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
reinforce the idea that healthy scepticism, a great British trait, | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
should be applied to what the world looks like outside. I feel we may | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
return to these matters in the next 17 weeks! 119 days. I wish it was | :34:54. | :35:01. | |
longer! Now, according to Donald Trump's | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
website, for the bargain price of $32, you too can smell | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
like a Presidential candidate. His fragrance, Success By Trump, | :35:10. | :35:11. | |
apparently "captures the spirit redcurrant, brushed | :35:12. | :35:13. | |
with hints of coriander. As it evolves, the mix of frozen | :35:14. | :35:23. | |
ginger, fresh bamboo leaves and geranium emerge | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
taking centre-stage - while a masculine combination | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
of rich vetiver, tonka bean, birch wood and musk create | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
a powerful presence We won with poorly-educated - | :35:36. | :35:48. | |
I love the poorly-educated. Trump trumped his Republican | :35:49. | :36:05. | |
rivals again this week, storming to victory | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
in the Nevada caucuses. I could stand in the middle | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody He's rewritten the rules | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
of what you can and can't say Clearly, he understands | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
the homeland insecurities felt Donald J Trump is calling | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering | :36:22. | :36:34. | |
the United States. And feeds off the | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
controversy he provokes. TRANSLATION: I say only that this | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
man is not Christian, If and when the Vatican is attacked | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
by Isis, the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
would have been President. Barack Obama used to say Trump | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
was running as a joke, But nobody's laughing at the Donald | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
now, so maybe we should start to take his candidacy seriously | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
because the idea of President Trump doesn't sound like | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
a punch line anymore! I'd like to punch him | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
in the face, I'll tell you. And Ana Matronic from | :37:14. | :37:22. | |
the Scissor Sisters joins us now. Thank you. When the British look | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
this they wonder, how is he Thank you. When the British look | :37:26. | :37:41. | |
well? We used to just dismiss him as, he would blow out, crash and | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
burn before Christmas. Now he is the man to beat. What happened? It is | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
disheartening and you are not the only ones wondering how this | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
happened. It is definitely happening in the States as well. I definitely | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
thought this was going to be a Bush-Clinton race. And now it | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
thought this was going to be a like it really could be anybody's. | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
Mrs Clinton still looks like being the Democrat candidate. I think she | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
will and that is really because there is a great, large block of | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
voters in America who are terrified of the word "Socialism". With Bernie | :38:21. | :38:32. | |
Sanders espousing socialism, it will terrify this large block of | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
constituents. But Mr Trump has rewritten campaign strategy script | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
for ever. I follow American politics closely. I just spent ten days in | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
the States. Every time something happens, you think that is it. When | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
the Pope attacked him, he attacks the Pope. A heckler is being thrown | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
out and he says, I want to punch him in the face. If any British | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
candidate said that, it would be toast. Yes. And in my heart of | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
hearts, I still hold out hope that this is a giant performance piece, | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
and it is a giant, elaborate branding campaign and name | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
recognition campaign, and he will eventually pull out. He won't pull | :39:19. | :39:26. | |
out. It seems he is saying inflammatory things just to see what | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
he can get away with. It is shocking, the things he is saying. | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
But in South Carolina, he got the evangelicals, even though he is | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
basically a social Liberal New Yorker, married three times. In | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
Navarre other, a majority, 44% of Hispanics who voted voted for him. | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
-- in Navarre da. It is terrifying. It goes to show the level of | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
disenfranchisement and disillusionment with the American | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
system of government on both sides. It is not just the Conservative | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
people but people on the left as well, which is why there is such a | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
push behind Bernie Sanders. I like what he has to say and I think he is | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
a great candidate. That ship has left the harbour. He cannot win in | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
South Carolina. Donald Trump did not have the support of dyed in the wool | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
Republicans. There was an issue of the new Republic that said, we do | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
not support Trump. This is the Republican establishment. But they | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
couldn't stop him, and that shows how fractured the party is, and how | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
so far away from their voters they are. What is really, really | :40:46. | :40:56. | |
concerning now is that we have a vacancy to fill in the Supreme | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
Court. So the rumblings we heard from the right, which was the dyed | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
in the wool Republicans who do not support Trump would actually support | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
Clinton in the race, wash their hands and comeback in four years, | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
now there is this vacancy, it's not happening. When the Democrats were | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
in a similar position, they did not appoint a Supreme Court judge | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
either. But if it is Trump against Clinton, who is going to win? I | :41:30. | :41:37. | |
honestly think Trump cannot go up against a real politician, somebody | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
who has been at work in Washington for decades. He has no record... But | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
he will run against Washington, that will be his attraction. People don't | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
like Washington. True, but he has zero policy, when you get down to | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
brass tacks, get down to plans. He has none. He is just hot air and I | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
think he will buckle under the weight. Trump against Clinton, who | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
wins? I think the authenticity. He is like Alex Salmond, Boris, Jeremy | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
Corbyn, that authentic position he takes will win through. Hillary | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
looks very wooden. Trump against Clinton? I think Trump stands a very | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
good chance. What are you up to? Personally? Lots of different stuff. | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
Belfast tomorrow, DJ in. I have been on BBC Radio two and I just did a | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
live lesson for the kids around the country, introducing them to the BBC | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
Micro bit. Thanks. That's your lot for tonight, | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
folks, but not for us... Because it's Guantanamo Bay | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
night at Lou Lou's - and don't worry, despite | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
what you might've heard, But we leave you tonight | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
with the Prime Minister - who took his mannered collection | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
of pointless oratorical hand gestures to Slough this week, | :43:00. | :43:01. | |
to launch his passionate campaign He took his collection of oratory or | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
hand gestures with him. Some obviously told him | :43:05. | :43:16. | |
they make him look authoritative. Nighty night, don't | :43:17. | :43:18. | |
let David Brent bite! MUSIC: Handbags And Gladrags | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
(Theme from The Office) Thank you very much, | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
it's great to be here in Slough, MUSIC: David Brent | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
from The Office humming | :43:31. | :43:45. |