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As we say farewell to the voice of Lady Penelope, | :00:00. | :00:21. | |
Will International Rescue be needed as President Putin surprises many | :00:22. | :00:37. | |
Foreign Affairs expert, Tim Marshall, thinks | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
the Russian President is pulling the strings. | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
If Thunderbird are go, and let's say Nato, and Putin | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
is the Hood, only one of them is ahead of the game. | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
Chancellor George Osborne delivers his eighth Budget. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
But has the Government's 'Brains' out-smarted himself? | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
The Economist's, Lady Penelope, Anne McElvoy, is our special | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
The Chancellor's been staring into a black hole of lower growth | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
forecasts and missed targets, but can he pull off a rescue mission | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
We'll be talking the politics of paying for sex. | :01:12. | :01:27. | |
Piloting This Week 3, presenter and film-maker, | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
I just hope I make it back to Stacey Island in one piece. | :01:30. | :01:38. | |
Because tonight we bring you a Wild West London desperado | :01:39. | :02:04. | |
who lives outside the confines of polite society | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
and the Charter for Budget Responsibility. | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
Behold, The Outlaw Gideon 'Boy George' Osborne. | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
Leader of the ?56 billion Black Hole-in-the-Wall Gang. | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
As we speak, Most Wanted posters are plastered across Westminster | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
for a menace-to-society, who's broken two of the Government's | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
rules, and the jury's still out 50-50 on the third. | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
Inviting the question - has an arrest warrant been | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
Because what's the point of introducing a legal duty to cap | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
welfare spending and to reduce debt as a share of GDP | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
if, when you break the rules, nobody is held to account, | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
nobody is found guilty and nobody goes to jail? | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
If only there was an honest man, prepared to call for serious legal | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
sanctions against the fiscal bad guys. | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
to see so-called budget 'responsibility' acts as instruments | :03:03. | :03:10. | |
"of the fiscally irresponsible to con the public." | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
And man brave enough to state that "a law introduced by Parliament that | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
contains absolutely no legal sanction whatsoever for those | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
who break it" was "absolutely ridiculous." | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
But he was Shadow Chancellor at the time. | :03:26. | :03:39. | |
Where are my handcuffs, call the cops, he's nicked. | :03:40. | :03:49. | |
I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two of the sweetest | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
Think of them as the Sugar Tax and the Sugar Daddy of late-night | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
I speak, of course, of #manontheleft Alan 'AJ' Johnson | :03:58. | :04:05. | |
and #sadmanonatrain Michael 'choo choo' Portillo. | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
Your thought of the week? If David Cameron survives the referendum if | :04:09. | :04:22. | |
he announces another runway, Boris is now the favourite to succeed. If | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
Boris said, I will not do that, the thing is dead in the water. No-one | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
will invest in an airport that the next Prime Minister is going to | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
scrap. Don't you think Mr Cameron might want to do it as a revenge | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
against Boris? I am - that is a possibility. I'm beginning to think | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
that the greater likelihood is they will have to announce Gatwick. That | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
is something Boris wouldn't feel obliged to scrap. My point is that, | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
just as happened to Tony Blair, as happens to all Prime Ministers who | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
announce they are going to go, there is a massive loss of power. It's | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
like the air going out of a balloon. After the referendum, if he | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
survives, every decision that Cameron makes people will say - I | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
wonder what Boris thinks about that. Interesting. Alan. Is I will help | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
him survive. Yes. The Budget contained a statement that has | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
nothing to do with fiscal policy it. Was about schools and academies. The | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
idea that every school becomes an academy, local authorities have | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
nothing to do with schools, which they don't in the main on secondary | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
schools, this is primary schools, is strange, given that, in my neck of | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
the woods, Yorkshire and the Humber have not had a good Ofsted round. | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
Ofsted write to the local authority and the three MPs and say - we'd | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
like a meeting with you about education in your area. We have no | :05:43. | :05:50. | |
input into education in our area. We would like to see the Secretary of | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
State. It's a mistake, local authorities, not as providers, as | :05:57. | :05:58. | |
commissioners of education in the way the great London challenge was | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
worked, local authorities had a key role in that, and I think there's a | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
contrast between Osborne saying that, and then saying - we're going | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
to he devolve all kind of things. You know, the Probation Service. | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
Criminal justice moving to Manchester Health devolved in some | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
areas. In a strange way education is being sucked into the centre. That | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
strikes me as a paradox. Every town will have its own militia. Did | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
Gordon Brown make all your big education announcements? Not | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
education, everythingelse. He left education to others Very well. | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
Now, President Putin surprised just about everybody this week | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
by beginning the partial withdrawal of Russian military | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
British Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond, played | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
down its significance, saying it was the equivalent | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
of a man who has merely stopped "beating his wife." | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
But Syria has not turned out to be the quagmire for Russia many, | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
from President Obama down, predicted and the Kremlin is now | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
calling many of the shots in the region. | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
Here's the former diplomatic and foreign affairs editor | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
of Sky News, Tim Marshall, with his take of the week. | :07:05. | :07:13. | |
It doesn't always work, but this week Russian President | :07:14. | :07:45. | |
and judo expert, Vladimir Putin, wrongfooted his opponents yet again. | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
# Baby, baby...# military from Syria. | :07:48. | :07:59. | |
Unlike in judo, Putin signalled his intentions. | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
Last year he said Russian engagement would be limited in time | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
and would support Syria's army against what he described | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
as terrorist groups and this would be from the air, | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
not the ground and that mostly is what happened. | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
# You've got to feel it...# Putin is not a mere tactician, | :08:17. | :08:36. | |
Putin has bombed his and President Assad's way | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
to the negotiating table and, this week, the peace talks | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
And by showing that his support is not open-ended, Putin has hinted | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
to Assad that he needs to compromise and so the Russian President | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
is playing the responsible, sober statesman. | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
Any deal that eventually emerges will have to ensure that there's | :09:00. | :09:08. | |
a leader in Damascus who is not hostile to Moscow. | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
That leader would have to accept that Russia can keep its port | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
and lifting the Ukraine-related sanctions against Russia would be | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
Russia also tested a lot of its new military equipment and it | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
It's re-established itself as a player in the Middle East. | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
Very Putin, although many of the ground forces will leave, | :09:37. | :09:52. | |
Putin will leave behind several hundred troops, | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
also intelligence officers and specials forces. | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
He needs to guard Russia's port and airstrip. | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
So Putin did not rush blindly into Syria, biting off more | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
than he can chew, and the bear is not about to rush off | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
home without making sure its cubs are safe. | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
From the Budokwai Martial Arts Club in Chelsea to our own little judo | :10:12. | :10:25. | |
mat here in the heart of Westminster. | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
Welcome back. Well done in there. Don't push me, Andrew. I will be | :10:28. | :10:38. | |
very nice to you. Did Mr Putin outmanoeuvre the West again with his | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
withdrawal? Yes. I believe he did. I don't understand the media coverage | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
about why it was a surprise. I said to you on one of the programmes, | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
last year, that it would be limited. My phrase for it, an IKEA operation | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
shall. Flat-pack, pick it up and take it home. The idea of | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
Afghanistan was a nonsense. The money they were spending was minute | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
compared to what the Americans were spending in Afghanistan. The evil | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
genius of what he has done, he has made sure that Assad cannot lose. | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
Not that Assad can win. But that he can't lose. And, it follows on from | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
that in a few months time, everyone else will get that. Once they get | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
that Assad can't lose you have to at some point go to the peace table. I | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
don't know if they are ready yet. He has positioned everybody else into | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
that position that Assad can't lose, we had better talk. President Assad | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
shouldn't be worried. This isn't a sign he is expendable? He is very | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
expendable. He can be thrown under a bus at any point. Putin needs to | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
find the right replacement figure, an Alawite or a Sunni inside Syria | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
that can rule and be acceptable and acceptable to Moscow to give them | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
the port and to give them the airstrip. That leads to the next | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
bit, which is he's also manoeuvred people to talking about a Federal | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
Syria. At one point - absolute slid off the cards. Assad had to go | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
immediately. They have moved and said, not straightaway. The US | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
Secretary of State has been taebging to the Russian Foreign Secretary | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
about a Federal idea? Two things fundamental have changed since Putin | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
started this last September. He has manoeuvred the opponents to accept | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
that Assad can have some sort of transition period. Still has to | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
gshgs of course. Before they were saying, he's got to go now. | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
Secondly, they are talking about a potential of a Federalised country. | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
You know, in two ways he has done that judo move, if you like, he has | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
some very good arms contracts out of it. As events unfold you get a | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
feeling the West is largely a spectator You do. I think that Tim's | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
analysis is right. I've never felt that the defeat was in our best | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
interests. The defeat of Assad was in our best interests. It seems to | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
me there's a kind of good Putin and a bad Putin. We are hearing this | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
week, you know, which one is he? I tend to think he never wanted Assad | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
to go, but he didn't want victory for the forces against him. I mean, | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
what seems to have happened is, we haven't touched Daesh, IS, Islamic | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
State, which was one of his stated ambitions, of course he still has | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
about 1,000 personnel staying. He has special forces - military | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
advisers. He has ships. So he has certainly not gone home. I think | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
he's found the right moment to actually withdraw. I agree - I think | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
it's - what's surprising is that it's a surprise. | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
Do you agree that Putin is a good strategist? I do. If anything, Tim | :14:00. | :14:09. | |
understated Putin's achievement. We have been involved in a lot of | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
operations principally from the air with limited success. Its operation | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
from the air, it seems to have had considerable success, despite | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
killing a large knob of civilians, which has been appalling. One of the | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
reasons people thought he wouldn't get out of it, is that most Western | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
interventions before and even Soviet ones in the past have got bogged | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
down. The fact he managed not to get bogged down is a significant | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
achievement. As for the non-activity of the west, what is happening at | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
the moment is that John Kerry appears to be, as it were, invited | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
to talk to Putin rather than the other way round. It is clear who the | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
ringmaster is. Federalisation is also an interesting aspect, the | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
Russians seem to have the courage -- to have encouraged the discussion of | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
three Kurdish provinces to become a quasi-autonomous part of Syria. The | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
west really has to think this one through, because this is anathema to | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
Turkey, who do not want to see any furtherance of Kurdish aspirations, | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
and we may have an uncomfortable choice. In another part of the game, | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
as we know, we are trying to appease Turkey over the migrant crisis and | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
we are also trying to have a negotiation with the Russians. They | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
are now proposing something in Syria which will annoy the Turks | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
considerably. We will betray the Kurds, eventually. To stay onside | :15:40. | :15:48. | |
with Turkey? Yes, but they are the bigger player. It happened after the | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
war. At the moment, they are on our side. Push comes to shove, Turkey is | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
a naked member -- a Nato member, I think they will be thrown under the | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
bus. Alan is a great politician to say that he has never bought Assad | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
is going the right way. It doesn't make him a great person. It doesn't | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
mean you like Assad. That was the reason why Cameron's proposal to | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
intervene was defeated in Parliament,. It switched round | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
before allegedly the solution was to get rid of Assad and then we will | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
eventually sought out Isis but now it is, we have to sort the peace out | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
and get everybody to turn on Islamic State and then move on to Kurdish | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
question, which never go away. Something that Kim said in passing | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
was important. It is very likely that, out of all of this, the | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
European Union and others are going to lift their sanctions on Russia | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
over Ukraine. That is such a huge prize for the Russians, and it is | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
another instance of no handcuffs, no punishment. The Russian economy | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
declined by 4% last year, so the lifting of sanctions is something | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
the Kremlin would like. The chances of a breakthrough in the peace talks | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
are slight, I would suggest, so what do we think is Mr Putin's endgame? | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
To hang court, to have his foothold in the Middle East. Those things are | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
now in place. -- to hang on to the port. Iraq is now buying arms from | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
them again, Egypt is as well, the Iranians are buying arms from them, | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
so is India, and they have shown these, forgive me, toys, and I don't | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
like saying that, but it is a game to them, and the toys they have | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
displayed in the last six months which have killed all these | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
civilians have worked, and it has helped them. Their colony is | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
tanking, but the expenditure and their military is about to reduce. | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
-- there, me. -- their economy is tanking. They are doing fine. The | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
endgame is to hang on to what they have got. If there is a federalised | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
Syria and Russia is a player in the Middle East, what have they lost? | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
Indeed, they have gained a lot of influence again. What does he do for | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
an encore? Russian TV at the moment has been dominated by Russian | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
sorties over Aleppo. There is very little domestic news on all the | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
channels which Mr Putin controls. It is all about abroad. Before that, it | :18:26. | :18:34. | |
was the Ukraine or Crimea. If he hasn't got those sorties over | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
Aleppo, what does he do for an encore? What is the next new foreign | :18:39. | :18:47. | |
diversion? There are various places he could push. | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
diversion? There are various places Azerbaijan situation is one. | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
diversion? There are various places conflict that is there, he could | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
push there. He could push in the Baltics. He could try to get | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
resolution in the Ukraine. I think that he does gamble, but I don't | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
think he is a wild gambler, so I think he will try to get some sort | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
of peace. To answer your previous question, Andrew, this peace process | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
at the moment may not work, but often you have to fail to or three | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
times and eventually you get your peace conference. Let's | :19:23. | :19:23. | |
times and eventually you get your the one, but I | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
times and eventually you get your another one and each time you get | :19:27. | :19:27. | |
closer. Bosnia another one and each time you get | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
can push in a lot of places, but I think he might consolidate if he can | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
get the sanctions taken off about Ukraine. Thank you. | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
Now it's late - Gwyneth Paltrow's "moon dust" late - | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
so stir a spoonful into your Blue Nun and stay up late, | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
because waiting in the wings, documentary maker Stacey Dooley | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
And, don't forget, we're still taking no notice whatsoever | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
of any of your pixie dust on the Twitter, the Fleecebook | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
or even our former Great Leader's Intergalactic Web Sphere. | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
They say you can never have too much of a good thing. | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
Clearly they've never had to sit through four - | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
count 'em - - financial statements from the Chancellor of the Exchequer | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
Even those of us who paid tuppence ha'penny to put up with Boy George | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
So it's a good job we have the Economist's Anne McElvoy on hand. | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
Here's her Budget round-up of the week. | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
For some reason she's in an ice cream van - | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
George has got us all thinking about our financial futures, | :20:30. | :20:43. | |
but the best news is this week I finally landed me a job my kids | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
MUSIC: My Boy Lollipo by Millie Small. | :20:49. | :20:58. | |
All the lolly on offer couldn't disguise the bad news. | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
Downbeat economic forecasts, a big missed debt target, | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
and our old friend productivity still floundering, | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
The Chancellor's been desperate for some green shoots of an early | :21:08. | :21:40. | |
summer, but growth forecasts have fallen sharply and that means | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
smaller portions of just about everything. | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
George is going to have to borrow to pay for any treats or cut | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
The British economy is resilient because, whatever the challenge, | :21:52. | :22:01. | |
however strong the headwinds, we have held to the course | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
I must tell the House that we face such a challenge now. | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
Financial markets are turbulent, productivity growth across the West | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
is too low and the outlook for the global economy is weak. | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
It makes for a dangerous cocktail of risks but one which Britain | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
is well prepared to handle if we act now so we don't pay later. | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
Keeping health campaigners and a giddy Jamie Oliver sweet, | :22:31. | :22:40. | |
the Chancellor announced a sugar tax on fizzy drinks, though not | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
It's unsweetened peanuts in money terms, about half a billion to help | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
fund primary school sport, but George's message | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
He's got his eye on the next generation. | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
It's symbolic that a robust government can actually get control | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
of big business when it's having ill effects on child health. | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
The logic behind it is the single largest source of sugar | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
in childrens' diets is sugary sweetened drinks. | :23:19. | :23:25. | |
There were not many giveaways but Mr Osborne doubtless wants us | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
to be grateful for the taxes that he left in the deep freeze, | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
so levies on fuel and alcohol stayed put, but the sin tax that didn't get | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
It wouldn't be George without mention of his own favourite | :23:39. | :23:45. | |
child, in policy terms, the Northern Powerhouse. | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
Some of us thought we'd heard a few of these announcements before. | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
The HS3 rail link between Manchester and Leeds and extra money for flood | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
defences for those up north who've spent too much time | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
We are giving the green light to High Speed 3 between Manchester | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
and Leeds, finding new money to create a four lane M62 | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
and we will develop the case for a new tunneled road | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
My honourable friends for Carlisle, Penrith and Hexham have told us not | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
to neglect the north Pennines so we'll upgrade | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
Hipster Osborne is the millennials' new best friend and he's been | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
worrying about what's going to happen to those carefree | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
young pleasure seekers later in life, so he's set up a new Isa | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
for the under 40s to help them set up pension pots for their old age. | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
And the Chancellor raised the annual Isa limit to ?20,000. | :24:40. | :24:48. | |
Now, that, according to Jeremy Corbyn, is a lot of lolly | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
that won't benefit the young or the least well off. | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
This Budget, Mr Deputy Speaker, has unfairness at its very core, | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
paid for by those who can least afford it. | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
He could not have made his priorities clearer. | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
While half a million people with disabilities are losing over | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
?1 billion in personal independence payments, | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
corporation tax is being cut and billions handed out in tax cuts | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
It was a bit of a vanilla Budget, designed to help the Chancellor | :25:24. | :25:31. | |
boost his case for an In vote in the EU referendum and sprinkle | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
a few favours for those Tory backbenchers, ready for the day | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
when George tries to seize the keys to the Tory van. | :25:38. | :26:03. | |
We're joined in the studio by a woman many people north | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
of the border are calling the new Nicola Sturgeon - | :26:07. | :26:08. | |
SNP leader-in-waiting and Scottish powerhouse, | :26:09. | :26:10. | |
Welcome to the programme. Thank you. Michael, what is your big takeaway | :26:11. | :26:30. | |
from this Budget? My big takeaway is that George had probably planned to | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
make his mark on history. Each Chancellor likes to be remembered | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
for a great reform. I think is was going to be on pensions and it would | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
have eased his burden considerably, but it would have brought money | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
forward. I think that's probably be Prime Minister told him he couldn't | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
do that and so the whole centre of the Budget at that point collapsed, | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
and we were left with virtually nothing which had to be filled in | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
with the sugar tax. Reverting to the point I made earlier, I think the | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
whole referendum campaign, and I think George Osborne was against | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
having a referendum, it has handed this amazing opportunity to Boris | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
Johnson to come out on the sceptic side and endear himself with the | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
Tory rank-and-file. I would think George Osborne is probably have the | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
most miserable week of his life, because he is seeing Boris is | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
rampant and his Budget and place in history as a Chancellor destroyed. | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
He could have had a lot of money from pension tax relief. More than | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
that, it would have been the monument. Quite a progressive | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
change, too, taking away relief from the top end. What is your take? I | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
think it is a dark mark on history, not a good day for those who are | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
worse off, at the bottom end of the ladder. The cuts, as Corbyn said, | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
for disabled people. This government says it wants to get disabled people | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
back into employment but it is going to be taking away their aides and | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
benefits. That seems to be unravelling tonight, shades of | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
another tax credit would treat about it. Reed absolutely. All the | :28:09. | :28:16. | |
opposition, including, I assume, your own party, will vote against | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
it, and it only needs a handful of Tories to do the same. Fundamentally | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
for us, he has missed all of the targets he has imposed on himself | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
and he is not willing to move. The Chancellor seems like a man isolated | :28:30. | :28:35. | |
and boxed in by his own targets. Productivity, he is down. Exports, | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
he is down. Growth, not doing as well as forecast, and the Obiang are | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
forecasting a bleak outlook. You have to ask yourself, when is he | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
going to listen? The SNP put forward a credible plan which is being | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
backed by the IMF and OCD of a 0.5% increase in public spending, which | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
were released money into the economy. Not over a year, a | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
five-year period? Fundamentally, not only is he not missing his own | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
targets, we are contracting, we are not growing. No, the economy is | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
growing by over 2%, the fastest-growing economy in the G7. | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
It is factually untrue to say it isn't growing. OK, we are not | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
growing at the same rate. Alan, what is your takeaway? It is | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
extraordinary that he has broken to... Three. And the third one, he | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
has to make this incredible shift to a ?10 billion surplus in a year, one | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
financial year. But something always goes wrong in a George Osborne | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
Budget. We had the omnishambles some years ago when everything went | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
wrong. He got away with this amazing U-turn on working families tax | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
credit, ?4 billion, and I agree with you, Andrew. This attack on people | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
on PIP, there was nothing wrong with disability living allowance. People | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
said, you try and change it, you will make it more expensive. It has | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
made it more expensive. Now he is trying to grow it back. By making it | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
more difficult to qualify. It is how disabled people can live full lives. | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
It was a consensus among all politicians. Two cups that at the | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
same time as cutting capital gains tax for the very rich is an obvious | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
U-turn waiting to happen. It doesn't help George Osborne, it | :30:34. | :30:41. | |
makes him look foolish, missing all the targets. If we take a step back. | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
All these people complaining about austerity. Our economy went went | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
into recession in 2007-2008. Since then it has been growing quite | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
strongly. We are 11 years into a recovery. Throughout the period that | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
that recovery has been going on, George Osborne has been borrowing | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
hundreds of billions of pounds. Year after year the British people get | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
much more in Government services than is raised in taxes. That money | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
is borrowed and handed down to future generations to pay off. You | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
know, if a country, after 10 years of growth or whatever, isn't going | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
to try and run a surplus, isn't going to try to pay back some of | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
that debt, you wonder when on earth it is. What is the Scottish | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
nationalist response is to barrow more and hand a greater burden of | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
debt to the next generation. That's not a solution. Nobody disagrees we | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
need to reduce the deficit and the debt. You said you wanted another | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
?150 billion in spending? That will inject investment into the economy. | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
Will it? Yes, it will. That's fancy arithmetic, I must say. It's not | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
just us saying that, it's the IMF saying that as well. We continue to | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
the run the high deficit in the European Union. A after all these | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
years. More than Spain, litly than Greece. He cut back on capital | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
spending. He cut back on Alistair Darling capital spending plans by | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
?18 billion. You may remember the note to the Chief Secretary the | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
Labour Government saying there was no money. Come on. One of yours that | :32:18. | :32:23. | |
left a similar note. It might still be true. He escaped by the skin of | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
his teeth a double-dip recession. He has lived a charmed life. He is is | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
running out of rope. Since ever Budget has an exploding bomb in it | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
The way he sets things up. The tax credit thing, a cynic could say he | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
set it up to U-turn on it. No. The cynic would be wrong. He was totally | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
blindsided on that. Remind me who won the last general election? | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
Whether that was expected. You have to give credit - That was maybe Mr | :32:56. | :33:04. | |
Cameron? Well, he's the first lord of the treasury and he's the | :33:05. | :33:06. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer. It turned out to be an election winner. | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
The people were convinced that the policies that he was following were | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
necessary and people like Ed Miliband, who said they were | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
unnecessary, were defeated. That to me adds up to a political strategy. | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
He was extraordinarily successful in planting in people's minds that | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
that, you know, what happened after Lehmann brothers was Labour's fault. | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
I don't blame him for that. Maxed out on your credit card. Don't give | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
the keys back to the driver who drove the car into the ditch. Not | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
only could we not find the sound bites to match that. We seemed at | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
the last election not to want to address it. Let's deal with 2015 not | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
2010. This reputation that we crashed the economy. He is saying, | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
international issues are what's - Blaming it on the global - Global | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
problems. It's the poorest people in society who are paying. Those people | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
were not the people who pushed the economy over the edge. Yeah. It was | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
bankers. It was people in those financial institutions. And we are | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
not doing the things that we should be doing, you know, to see that | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
comeback. I thought Jeremy Corbyn was very good. On the most difficult | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
gig in the West End, replying to the Chancellor's speech. Always | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
difficult. Always difficult. I think he was very good, spot on. . If you | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
had won the referendum you would be 10 days from independence with a 10% | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
deficit? You have to call in the IMF, wouldn't you? I'm glad you | :34:36. | :34:42. | |
asked me that. It's so littered with inaccuracies and misinformation. | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
What the 10% deficit? No. The point we wouldn't be able to survive. All | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
of the countries in the developed world is running a deficit. Who is | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
running a 10 terz % deficit. Tell me. Which other countries are | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
running a 10% deficit? The leaders who got us into the deficit is like | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
saying - Michael should take over your show and it doesn't do as well | :35:04. | :35:14. | |
so - That's obviously the case. We are the only country being judged by | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
the miss imaginement - You have a deficit because you spend so much | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
more than you take in tax. We have the powers. You are only able to run | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
that deficit because London sends you so much money. You asked me a | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
question. Let me answer it. We would have the economic powers and the | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
levers to grow our economy - Aah, the John McConnell answer. It's | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
true. OK. Financial mismanagement by this Chancellor is balancing the | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
books on the back of the poor and not doing enough for the poorest in | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
society. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
Earlier this week, former Lib Dem minister, David Laws, | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
revealed that, in order to look like he feels your pain, | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
the Prime Minister relies on an official 'crib sheet', | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
put together by his staff, briefing him on the cost of common | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
household items and low-cultural pursuits. | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
Think of it as a 'pleb sheet' for Old Etonians. | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
If ever he's asked a tricky question, Dave can confidently | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
pretend he knows exactly how much it costs to buy a pint of semi-skimmed | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
milk in Asda, a Mars Bar costs in a corner shop and a pint | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
But one non-essential item was curiously missing from Dave's | :36:18. | :36:25. | |
list, so that's why we've decided to address the issue and put paying | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
It's the oldest profession in the world, but how much do | :36:29. | :36:39. | |
people's attitudes to prostitution vary across the world? | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
New documentary, Sex in strange Places, sees reporter, | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
Stacey Dooley, uncover the stories behind the sex industry, | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
She hears of the dangers and prejudices faced by prostitutes | :36:50. | :37:17. | |
of all genders in Brazil, but there's a surprise to witness | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
state-run brothels in Turkey and the glamorous lifestyles | :37:21. | :37:22. | |
seemingly enjoyed by some of Russia's high class escorts. | :37:23. | :37:39. | |
So are there lessons the UK can learn? | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
Some argue that regulating the industry would protect sex | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
workers, some argue anyone paying for sex should be prosecuted. | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
Jeremy Corbyn says he backs decriminalisation, but can we ever | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
get past the old moral view that paying for sex is wrong? | :37:52. | :38:02. | |
I'm joined in the studio by Stacey Dooley. | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
Thank you for having me. It looks like you had amaze being access, was | :38:05. | :38:14. | |
it difficult to get? It was tricky, actually. We went out there and had | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
conversations. Slowly, we will talk to you for half an hour. Turkey, | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
Russia and Brazil. Yeah. What were the difference? We choose those | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
three countries because they were different politically, culturally, | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
the religious aspect. For me I was blown away. I didn't realise the | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
brothels in Turkey were state-run until I started researching. In an | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
Islamic country? Hugely conserve i it looked to Europe, it looks as if | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
it's looking close to the Middle East, Erdogan was voted in when we | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
were there. You think Brazil is liberal and accepting. Far from it | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
in many circumstances. Having seen prostitution in three different | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
societies, did you come to any views on this issue of legalisation that | :39:07. | :39:13. | |
people argue would be safer if it was legalised and then people kind | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
of say, but the women, even legalised, they will be trafficked. | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
They will be exploited, what did you conclude? You do come to your own | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
conclusions. I can understand it's an emotive, controversial subject | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
for many people. For me, personally, I've spent, you know, an extensive | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
amount of time with a lot of sex workers now around the world. Corbyn | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
was pulled up by female Labour MPs suggesting that decriminalisation | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
might be an alternative solution. I sort of admire him for entertaining | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
another idea because it's evident what's currently in place is not | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
working. These girls are treated like second-class citizens. They are | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
marginalised. They are demonised. There is a lot of trafficking in | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
this country, too? There is. Trafficking hases, unfor few | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
fatally, always existed. There is a definite difference between forced | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
trafficked prostitutes and adult consensual prostitution. You think | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
decriminalisation would help or it's worth having a debate about it? . | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
Absolutely it's worth having a debate about. Corbyn, certain things | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
he says I'm not that doubt with. That I thought he was spot on. I | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
don't agree. I do agree there is not a perfect answer to this. Yeah. I | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
mean, I talk to the girls - I don't think there is a constituency MP, | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
certainly in a city like Hull or - You are Hull, aren't you? Who don't | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
get involved in this through various charities. The thing, is I think, I | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
haven't seen your documentary, this is not, you know, well educated | :40:47. | :40:54. | |
girls who take the decision - shall I be a nuclear scientists or go on | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
the game? Are. You would be surprised. They are damaged, pushed | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
into it. Very vulnerable who end up in this situation. The girls I talk | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
to. OK. Are in that situation. I don't think legalising this is going | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
to help them. I quite like the Nordic idea of of making it legal to | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
pay for sex. You are looking at one end of it and not criminalising the | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
girls. Decriminalising the whole thing I think will lead to more | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
problems than it Sols. Will that work? I disagree. I don't agree | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
there. I had the same trail of thought initially. Surely it's | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
circumstantial. Who would choose to be a prostitute? Actually, in Russia | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
particularly, the girl was very bright. Bilingual, had been to uni. | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
She said I could be a bright. Bilingual, had been to uni. | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
I want to be a sex worker. We have to accept and acknowledge that some | :41:45. | :41:52. | |
girls do choose sex work. Michael. R The issue is complicated and a lot | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
of exploitation is involved along the line. I think, at the core, a | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
willing buyer and a willing siller is not a place where the state | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
should be intervening. I think is not a place where the state | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
some level, some aspect of it ought to be legalised. The law in | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
some level, some aspect of it ought is complicated. It's different | :42:11. | :42:12. | |
some level, some aspect of it ought Northern Ireland where I'm told they | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
made it illegal to pay for sex. Very recently, yeah. Prostitution is | :42:15. | :42:23. | |
legal in Great Britain for over 18s but some activity, street | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
prostitution, kerb crawling, running a brothel are not. A lot of mixed | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
signals. Very complicated. I had to dedicate loads of time to | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
researching what goes on here in the UK. You are right, Northern Ireland, | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
very recently, changed their rules. Here, you know, paying for sex isn't | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
illegal. Accepting money for sex isn't illegal. You are right, the | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
circumstances surrounding the industry are. So I just think it's | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
muddy. The laws in Great Britain are not I think stupid. Preventing | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
street prostitution - I understand. Is about creating nusance to other | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
people. Running a brothel being illegal is about exploitation. The | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
British law is trying to get at aspects which affect other people | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
which tend towards exploitation. The basic point - willing seller, | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
willing buyer is not touched by British law. Is it not dangerous | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
making this? There was a couple of hairy moments. Turkey was trickier | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
than Brazil and Russia were. It's great work. Yeah. Congratulations on | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
it. Thank you. I really appreciate it. What is the next subject? I'm | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
going to Iran. Off to South Africa. Come back to see us. Thank you for | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
having me. Hopefully just as interesting. Thank you. | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
That's your lot for tonight, folks, but not for us. | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
It's Office for National Statistics Night at Lou Lou's and we're off | :43:48. | :43:49. | |
to boogie with the number nerds who decided this week that nightclub | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
entrance fees will no longer be used to calculate the UK | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
How will they know what the rate is then? | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
Not that we're bothered - we're on the guest list as usual. | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
But we leave you tonight with exclusive footage of the exact | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
moment the Chancellor's Treasury colleagues found out that he'd | :44:10. | :44:11. | |
# Don't want to be all by myself any more. | :44:12. | :44:31. | |
# Don't want to live all by myself any more. | :44:32. | :44:49. | |
# Don't want to live all by myself any more | :44:50. | :44:57. |