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Tonight on This Week, we're strapping on our proton packs,

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and in the mood for some paranormal political activity.

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It's 30 years since the original but they're re-booting Ghostbusters.

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In Westminster, are some Labour MPs trying to spook their leader,

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Jeremy Corbyn and scare him from office?

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Feisty union leader, Mark Serwotka warns he'll be

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firing his 'marshmallow goo' in their direction.

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Jeremy Corbyn does not need marshmallow man. He has the tools

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and the talent. Let local party members decide who represents them.

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Hi-tech equipment may be needed to locate the truth in the fight

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We've sent The Mirror's Kevin Maguire to go in search of strange

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Can you smell something? Is that the Queen supporting Brexit?

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And, an all-female team star in the Ghostbuster re-make.

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We've decided to talk about the supernatural power

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I ain't afraid of no ghost. But I am terrified to be on this week.

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This Week, you're going to call This Week.

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Unfashionable, under-funded, but top of the league,

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the Leicester City of BBC current affairs.

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And you join us tonight for an 'earthquake' after The Sun

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newspaper alleged that Nick Clegg was once considered important enough

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to be invited to dinner at Buckingham Palace.

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And, despite security concerns was allowed close enough

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to the monarch to engage her in conversation.

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According to The Sun, the exchange took place at a lunch

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in 2011, with the Queen stating the EU was "heading

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Faced with the accusation that she once gave Nick Clegg

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the time of day, Buckingham Palace has moved to deny any knowledge

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of Mr Clegg, insisting they never comment on rumours or innuendo

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linking the royal family with Liberal Democrats.

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But the hunt for the leak intensifies.

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Suspicion has fallen on Michael Gove, a keen Brexiter

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who was at the Windsor Castle lunch with Clegg.

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Friends of Gove claim he's innocent and his spokesman said,

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"We don't comment on private conversations with the Queen".

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The Sun is sticking to its guns, and says it "was based

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Moving on, in other entirely unconnected news, Mr Michael Gove

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and his wife Sarah were guests at the weekend at the wedding

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celebration of Miss Jerry Hall and Mr Rupert Murdoch,

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Chairman of News Corporation, and owner of The Sun newspaper.

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Also in attendance were Mrs Rebekah Brooks,

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News UK chief executive, and publisher of The Sun newspaper

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and Mr Tony Gallagher, family friend, and editor of The,

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I'm joined on the moral high-ground tonight by two people

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who still haven't taken in any Syrian refugees.

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Think of them as the Nicola Sturgeon and Yvette Cooper of

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I speak, of course, of #jesswecan Jess Phillips and we all missed him

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#sadmanonatrain Michael 'choo choo' Portillo.

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Your moment of the week? The ailing European Union economy have received

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emergency medical help today from the European Central Bank, a most

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unexpected amount of stimulus given to it. Why? Because the growth

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figures are disappointing. Why? Because it appears to be tumbling

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into deflation. For those who are part of Project Fear, making us

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worry about jobs and economic prosperity if we leave the European

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Union, this makes the argument quite difficult. We are actually attached

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to the sick man of Europe, and its beginning in some way is to resemble

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a corpse. Interest rates so low that if you put money with the ECB, you

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have to pay the ECB to take your money. We are now having to pay

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people to go out and lend the money. Aside from us winning a vote for

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once, my moment of the week has to be being able on International

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women's Day being able to give voice to 120 women who have been murdered

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since last International women's Day. It was a privilege to be able

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to do it. Now, you put your left leg in,

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your left leg out and shake But it's not the hokey cokey,

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it's the Labour Party where left-wingers who either felt

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the party wasn't for them, or who were actively excluded,

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are now returning to the fold. So with Comrade Corbyn at the helm,

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is it now time for committed activists to take back

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control in the party, And are Labour MPs right to fear

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they might face de-selection if they don't get

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with the new programme? Re-entering the Labour fray after 25

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years on the outside is trade union Tony Blair rather stupidly said that

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anyone who supported Jeremy Corbyn I am actually a patient waiting

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for a heart transplant, and not only do I support

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Jeremy Corbyn, after 25 years, I have rejoined his Labour Party

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because now the days of New Labour We are now entering a really

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exciting political moment, where opposition will be really

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left-wing, unlike the Tony Blair years, where he worshipped

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the private sector and had Peter Mandelson telling us how

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relaxed he was about Hundreds of thousands of people

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voted for Jeremy Corbyn because he represents

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an alternative to austerity. Austerity has meant a million

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people using food banks, many people desperately needing

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houses, and in the public sector where we have seen a decade of pay

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restraint and hundreds of thousands And the many hundreds of thousands

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of people who, like me, are excited by this new politics,

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deserve to see a Labour Party that That's not a purge,

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that's actually democracy. Those on the right of the party

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bleating about purges should reflect It was they who used to support

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the parachuting in of New Labour candidates into constituencies

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against the will of local activists. In fact, during the Tony Blair

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and Gordon Brown era we saw a cynical abuse of power,

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where the leadership would impose like-minded candidates onto local

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parties, often without even asking Contrast that approach

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to the one that I support, which is in a democracy,

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local party members should decide If people want Chuka Umunna

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or Tristram Hunt, But if, like me, they want radical

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representatives who support Jeremy Corbyn, then they should be

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allowed to choose them. Indeed, given the Government's

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boundary changes, many local parties are going to have to choose

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their new MPs to stand I think it's essential that no

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obstacles are put in any party's way, so that people can

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choose who they want. And now we hear about those MPs

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scheming to keep Jeremy Corbyn off the ballot paper in the event there

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has to be a new leadership election. This just goes to show how scared

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of Jeremy's popularity some So a few hundred MPs may not

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like Jeremy Corbyn but they need to remember that hundreds

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of thousands of party members do, And people should remember,

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it's their party too. From Bookmarks socialist bookshop

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in Bloomsbury to making little to no mark on political discourse

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on This Week, Mark Serwotka Welcome to the programme. Jess, are

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you glad to see Mark back in the Labour Party? I am delighted when

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people come back. We have had not as many as in London, where there

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seemed to be thousands who have rejoined. We have had 40 or 50 new

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members and I am delighted. I very much hope you are delivering

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leaflets, Mark. The has a bag with him. You were barred from voting in

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last year's leadership election on the grounds that you did not share

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the aims and values of the Labour Party. Have you changed your views,

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or has the party changed since Jeremy Corbyn's election? The party

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has changed. The irony of being barred was that it was never

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explained what the aims and values were that I did not share. Nobody

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spoke to me, I just got a letter saying he would not count my vote.

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You have not changed? I have not and I am excited about the fact that I

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can now join a party where the leader and Shadow Chancellor are

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clear they want economic alternatives to austerity, a fairer,

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more equal society. It is an exciting moment in British politics.

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If you have not changed, are you a Marxist? I call myself a radical

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socialist. What is the difference? I believe we need a radical change in

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the way society is ordered, it should be run for the needs of the

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many, not just profit for the few at the top, and we need real changes,

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which I think Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are advocating. You have

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been associated with Trotskyite groups in the past. Are those with

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Trotskyite history or connections, do you feel they are now welcome in

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the Labour Party? Peter Mandelson was a member of the young com in

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this league, and Jack Straw was a member of the commonest party. But

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you tell me you have not changed your views. I have not changed my

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views in terms of voting for a fairer society. We all felt things

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when we were younger that we maybe do not feel the same way now. But I

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joined the Labour Party not because I think there will be a socialist

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revolution but because we have the prospect in 2020 of a Labour

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government that is radical and can make a change for millions of

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people. That is why it is exciting. You do not think Labour can win in

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2020. At the moment, if you look at the polls and the gerrymandering

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that the Tory party are doing with the boundaries that you talked

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about, it is going to disproportionately affect Labour

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seats. At the polls in 2016 cannot tell you anything, surely, about

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2020. Who knows? Let's hope the Tory party start to eat their own tales.

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So why do you think you can't win? At the moment it does not seem the

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Labour Party is in any shape to face an election but luckily we do not

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have two until 2020. I think the Labour Party can win in 2020. If

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they stick with Jeremy Corbyn, in 2020 people will have a real

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political choice where they will see absolutely the difference between

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what the Tories are advocating and what a radical Labour government are

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advocating. My problem in the past was that whilst there was a

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difference between parties, there was such a consensus towards the

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centre that many people did not vote Conservative, they did not vote, or

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they tragically voted Ukip. We have four years to get those ideas

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across. In the hundred seats with the lowest turnout, Labour has 96 of

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those already. So we can absolutely increase our vote share but we won't

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necessarily increase our share of the seats. At the moment we are at

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real risk of really losing great swathes of the South, great bits of

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Yorkshire that used to be Labour heartland. Why? Well, we did lose

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them, we have to win them back. Why won't you? I can't see at the moment

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the Labour Party, as presented at the moment, reflecting what I hear

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on the doorstep, some of which will come from media pressure, I

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understand that, but at the moment I don't think the Labour Party is

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cutting through. The Conservatives are much better presenting hope

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which, to me as a socialist, seems unbelievable that they could present

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hope to anyone when they are damaging thousands of disabled

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people. There are people queueing up who can't find houses. But the

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Labour Party is not cutting through, the message is not getting through,

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we are talking to the converted. Is it good news for the Conservatives

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if people like Mark RE joining the party? I am afraid absolutely it is.

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To begin, I want to analyse what Mark has said. He says there is a

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place for an anti-austerity party. I think this parliament will have more

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austerity than we predicted before. And anti-austerities parties have

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done quite well in Greece and Spain and so on, so I understand the

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proposition. But against that one has to say the British public has a

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pretty clear political position on the centre ground. The British

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public would not vote for Ed Miliband, for Neil Kinnock, not even

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for Gordon Brown. The only one they voted for again and again was Tony

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Blair. I think this is a fact of life. Even if we go through a

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five-year parliament, which for many people was pretty grim, there is no

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evidence in history of British voting patterns that they will vote

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for a left-wing candidate. Let Mark respond to that? I'm an

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optimist. Who thought Bernie Sanders would be winning States. He is not,

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Hillary Clinton is. But he's doing better than anybody would have

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believed. He's still not winning. The right is rampant in France, even

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in Sweden, Finland, Poland, Croatia, growing in other parts of Europe

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too. There's no mass Marxist revival? Well, my argument is, and

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take Ed Miliband as an example, people didn't vote for him because

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he's too left-wing, they thought there are two parties broadly

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offering, within the same narrow constraints, the same economic

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solutions and the differences were marginal and people thought, we'd

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rather go with the true believers. What Jeremy Corbyn will offer is

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something totally different. When people realise if they vote for

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that, they'll get more investment in their Public Services there,'s going

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to be better investment in schools and hospitals. Provided you can

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create the wealth to do that? Yes. It's easy to talk about investment,

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more difficult to create the money that will pay for the investment? I

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believe that if you have a fairer tax system, get people into work

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earning decent wages and paying tax and you can raise revenue and don't

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obsess about clearing the deficit in a ridiculously small period of time,

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the economy can grow. That's what people need to hear about. I agree

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with Jess, Jeremy probably isn't cutting through, but to be honest,

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east not getting this chance to put the alternative to the people

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because too many of the stories we are getting are briefings against

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him, we are being side tracked by things like not singing the National

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Anthem, non--issues, but let's give some hope to people and keck see

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politics transformed in Britain. Labour politics has a lot of new

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members and there are boundary changes coming up which will give

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the new members a chance to Keys knew candidates if they want. Why

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shouldn't they? I'm not saying they shouldn't. Every Labour Party has

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the democrat Iing right to hold, where new seats are created, and

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seats are completely, you know, they are very diverse and so it's only

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right that the new body of membership should be able to look at

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who their members want. So you wouldn't mind if Chuka Umunna,

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Tristram Hunt, Stella Creasy, are targeted? If they are targeted,

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ex-pecks them to fight back. They haven't got the membership? Well, I

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mean again, I can't predict what they are going to have. There is a

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different membership in the Labour Party now isn't there? It's changed?

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It's clearly 100,000 new joiners and I think that... A lot of them are in

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London. No, but the party has massively increased. My view is that

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you should be a democrat. So, as I said, if Chuka Umunna's local party

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believe he's still the man for them, they should have him. There

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shouldn't be anything from the top. Leave to it the constituency. My

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point in the past was that we did see him in positions. In Yorkshire,

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where a constituency selected a left-wing candidate like Liz Davies

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in Leeds, the central party ruled it out. I want to see some democracy.

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What is inevitable, is that so many new members going in excited pill

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change, they'll want to see the MPs... We all want democracy. I

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disagree with the idea of putting in mandatory reselections. I don't

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think you have called for that, you have said the boundary change is

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given opportunity. My view is, without changing the rules, there is

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the boundary changes. Do you like mandatory reselection? To reselect

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if they wish. Do you want mandatory? Councillors have to be standing for

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reselection every four years, I have to stand for it. So you do? I don't

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see how anyone can argue that the candidate should be endorsed every

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time by their local party, but even without changing the rules and

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having mandatory reselection, it's already the case that local party

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members can change a ballot. A one final question for you. If Jeremy

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Corbyn goes to the country with a proper socialist manifesto of the

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type that you approve and Labour gets thumped again the way it did in

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1983, will you accept there is not an appetite for that kind of

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socialism in Britain? I won't accept that my views will change. I didn't

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sigh that? What I would say is at that particular point, the

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electorate will have made a specific choice and I'm a great believer that

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you should campaign for what you believe in and hope to convince

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people and if at first you don't succeed, keep triing. I would rather

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fight for something that you really believe will have a fairer society

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than give up. I'm done that for the last 35 years and intend to carry on

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trying. Mark, thanks for being with us, good to see you back to health

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as well. Thanks, hopefully next time I'll have had my heart transplant.

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You are looking well on it Thank you very much.

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Now it's late - Donald Trump's very small hands late -

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but we're packing so much more than The Donald because waiting

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in the wings, Radio 1 DJ Annie Mac is here to discuss the idea

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And if you want to see how little solidarity really exists

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in the human race, just follow us on The Twitter,

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The Fleecebook and Gordon Brown's Intergalactic Web Sphere.

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Now, we're only a few weeks into the EU referendum campaign

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and already it feels rather lacking in 'tang'.

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But you can always rely on BoGo Johnson to pick up

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a metaphor when one comes loose from the back of the scrum

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So when he was asked this week to explain Britain's future outside

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the single market via the medium of marmalade, the part-time

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London Mayor was in his sweet spot, waxing lyrical on British-made

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preserves and their appeal abroad, however many pips...

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So we sent The Mirror's Kevin Maguire to the London Jam Factory

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This is his Roundup of the political week.

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Like me, that fruity Mayor of London, Boris "BoGo" Johnson

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found himself in a bit of a jam this week.

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When BoGo wasn't likening the European single market to making

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marmalade, he was distancing himself from a sticky memo from an aide

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banning City Hall staff from disagreeing with the boss on Europe.

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Only 24 hours earlier, BoGo had accused pro-EU campaigners

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I think I've made a bit of a cock up with this?

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It's not something that I agree with, and my staff, my team,

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have complete freedom to say what they want.

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Indeed, they already are and have been for some days.

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Let a hundred flowers bloom, folks, OK.

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BoGo sweetly quoting Chairman Mao is a taste of the bitter

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polarisation ahead of June's referendum, with leavers roasting

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Bank of England Governor Mark Carney for raising unappetising risks

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The issue is the biggest domestic risk to financial stability.

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This is what I think is doing your reputation

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and the reputation of the Bank of England harm, that you are coming

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out with the standard statements of the pro-EU group.

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It is speculative, and beneath the dignity of the Bank of England

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to be making speculative pro-EU comments.

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Carney blew a raspberry back but a far juicier public figure

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of much greater magnificence, also objected to being

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Her Maj's royal warrants appear on some inferior preserves,

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but the monarchical damson in distress was not amused

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when the Sun screamed, "Queen backs Brexit",

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based, supposedly, on a conversation at a Windsor Castle

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Buck House complained to the press regulator,

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Ipso, and the argument over Britain in or out of Europe

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I think it's appalling that the people who want to pull

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the United Kingdom, to drag the United Kingdom out

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of the European Union are now trying to drag the Queen into

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As for the story in the Sun, it's nonsense.

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The right royal row in Britain followed a European Union deal

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to pay Turkey a king's ransom to stem the flow of refugees

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and economic migrants, in turn keeping mum about the new sultan

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in Ankara crushing dissent and seizing control

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David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn's bouts are rarely tasty,

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producing little heat and shedding even less light.

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If we really do have the strong economy that the Prime Minister

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claims, then why did the Chancellor warn last week, I quote, "We may

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The disabled, pensioners, young people, women?

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Is he going to rule out attacking those groups?

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He will see the Budget next week when my right honourable

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friend the Chancellor, who has an excellent record

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of steering this nation's economy, will stand up to give that.

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With George Osborne bottling the big pension reform that would have been

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a single rate of tax relief benefiting all workers,

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the Chancellor is in a sticky position of his own,

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and needs a new recipe in next week's Budget to revive his jarring

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And it was supermarket baskets at dawn when the Scots Nats joined

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Labour MPs and Tory rebels to oppose Government plans to let supermarkets

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open all hours on Sundays in England and Wales.

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I and my SNP colleagues are not prepared to gamble with the pay

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packets of some of Scotland and the UK's lowest paid workers.

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Why is it that in this country this Government thinks we should

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put the free market above everything else?

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So it's jam today, jam tomorrow and jam between 11

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Kevin Maguire there making a mess at the London Jam Factory.

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Michael, do you believe the Sun story that says Madge backs Brexit?

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No, absolutely not. I mean, Her Majesty's not given political

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opinion in 90 years and I don't think suddenly her resolve broke

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down at this compelling lunch with Nick Clegg and Michael Gove. Do you?

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I'm glad we are speculating about the Queen, she's still alive. I'm

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delighted it's not just dead people we care about how they might have

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voted in the European referendum. But do you believe it? I don't think

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that the Queen usually passes comment like that. I think that it's

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a sort of desperate Scrabbling of people trying to come up with a

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reason. If it was true, there would be a generational split since Prince

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William was in favour of staying in. That does happen in families, you

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know. Particularly extended families. The Governor of the Bank

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of England, was he not entirely within his rights, he was asked to

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what the biggest domestic uncertainty would be to the British

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economy and he says it would be if we left the EU. It doesn't mean it

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would be wrong to do so, but in the medium to long-term, everything

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could work out fine. But there would be uncertainty and risk in the

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short-term would there not? There's uncertainty now obviously. It's a

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big factor. I wouldn't attack Mark Carney on this. I think what

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happened, if you remember at the global summit in China, where

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suddenly it appears in the minutes that all the global leaders who had

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much more important things to think about thought that Brexit was one of

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the great uncertainties of the economic future. I think that smelt

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badly of interference by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I think

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you are right that Mark Carney must admit there is uncertainty over

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this. I mean, you know, the uncertainty is, we may move into a

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bright new future of independence. How is the reference dumb playing so

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far outside London, outside Westminster?

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I have heard ten e-mails about the EU and 400 about bees. Everybody has

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an equal vote on this so they don't need to lobby me because they get

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their own say, but that is not coming up on the doorsteps. People

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do not volunteer whether they are in or out, people rarely ask me

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questions about it. I have had far more e-mails about housing. If you

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are right, it raises an interesting point about the turnout in this

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referendum. I think it will be quite difficult for pollsters to gauge

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this one, partly because there is a difference between metropolitan

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opinion, it is a hot topic in London, and non-metropolitan

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opinion. If we firstly don't know what people are thinking and we

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don't know which people are going to turn out to vote, it will be

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difficult to predict. At the moment it would look like a majority of

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Conservative voters would vote to leave, which means for the remaining

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to win, you need the Labour Party. Is that going to happen, will the

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Labour vote be mobilised? We need to do an awful lot to make it seem as

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if it is a Labour issue and it has Labour at its heart. Are you going

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to be able to do that? I will try my hardest. When we are out there

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knocking, which we do every week, we ask people the question. It is

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difficult when you have to campaign altogether but I think the public is

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better than that. I don't think they want to see us squabbling. Of

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course, it is not only Labour support that would be needed, but

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Scottish Nationalists support. It is an interesting referendum because

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presumably we will see the Scottish lists and the Labour Party fighting

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to make sure David Cameron keeps his job. -- Scottish Nationalists. It is

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difficult to sell to some activists. And apparently women are going to

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swing it. It has been quite male dominated so far. It seems quite a

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lot of shirts talking about figures, as we saw in the video with Mark

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Carney and Jacob Rees-Mogg. You are a leading member of the Labour for

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camera movement, aren't you? I would not say was anything for Cameron.

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Don't rise to the bait! The backdrop is important. For those who wish to

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remain, the backdrop is not encouraging. This deal which Angela

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Merkel is trying to do, trying to do it with the Turks, when you look at

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it, it almost smacks of desperation. Firstly, doing a deal with the

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Turkish government which is rapidly extinguishing any vestige of a free

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press, becoming totalitarian and unpleasant in all sorts of ways. But

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also, just the detail of the deal. But every refugee who is deported,

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and we wonder about the legality of that, from Greece to Turkey, every

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Syrian refugee, one will be exported to the European Union, presumably on

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a plane, rather than overland. If this gets traction, that is a large

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number of Syrian refugees who will be settled in the European Union. We

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know the reaction before from European countries to Mrs Merkel's

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last proposal, which was that Germany should take a very large

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number, 800,000 refugees. There will also be a reaction to this and

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people in Britain will want to know exactly what is their role in this

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large number of Syrian refugees who will be settled in European Union

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countries other than Greece. When we last had the referendum to stay in,

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in 1975, the backdrop was one of the British economic difficulties and a

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really successful, growing, prosperous European Community as it

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was then called. That will not be the backdrop this time. It is not

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the backdrop this time. One of the reasons I feel we should stay is

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partly because of solidarity, and to try and keep things working. You say

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solidarity. We are not going to allow free entry of Turks. That is

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just for the Schengen area. Is that right? I think we need to take more

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refugees, especially children. I have repeatedly said we are not

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necessarily doing our bit and we could do more with regard to

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unaccompanied refugee children. There are thousands of kids. In a

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democracy, with a free press, how do you forcibly remove thousands of

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migrants? What are we going to do, push them back into the sea? That is

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my question. The legality of it is questionable. The television cameras

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will be there as people are loaded onto buses, taken to ships and

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planes. Fearful staff. Sunday trading, which England will not have

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liberalised thanks to the Scottish and the lists and some Tory rebels,

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what ever happened to English votes for English laws which the Tories

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were meant to promise? It is a nonevent. Despite provocation by the

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Scottish Nationalists in voting down this thing which really only has

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effect in England, I don't think we are hearing a lot from the

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government about English votes for English laws. I owe it to you, the

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insight that this was put in a UK bill, rather than put into English

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and Welsh Bill. That would have made it more difficult, very difficult

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for the Scottish Nationalists to vote against that. It is

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interesting. I suppose the government is worried about further

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revocation of the Scots. Everything is on hold. In the film there was

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reference to the dropping of pension reform. I think George Osborne would

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like to go down in history as the Chancellor who reformed pensions but

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because of the referendum that cannot be done. We cannot have a

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Barney with Scottish Nationalists over Sunday trading, because of the

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referendum. Now, when jezebel Diane Abbott

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upped sticks and left us here on This Week, rekindling her

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romance with Casanova Corbyn, I mean, what's Jeremy

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got that we haven't, other than incriminating

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photos from the infamous But we've come to terms

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with our loss, and moved on. So when Jess Phillips responded

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to our advances and agreed After all, what's not

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to love about Jess? Other than the all those

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nasty things Diane wrote Just ignore her, Jess,

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she's not worth it. And that's why we're putting female

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solidarity and 'the sisterhood' It's surely not the only opportunity

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To talk about the issues concerning sisters the world over,

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but there were certainly lots on the agenda this International

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Women's Day from body hair An image of liberation

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or #degrading? Some question Kimi's decision

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to mark the occasion with the nude While he refrained from keeping up

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with the Kardashians by posing for his own naked pics,

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Jeremy Corbyn still found himself under fire for suggesting the sex

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industry should be decriminalised. One Labour backbencher gained

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plaudits for raising awareness Here are the names of the women

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who died since International Women's Day last year: Lucy Iris,

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Alison Wilson, Sarah Fox... It was a show of sisterly solidarity

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on Centre Court with Serena Williams commending Maria Sharapova's honesty

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over the doping scandal. I think most people were happy

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that she was upfront and very honest In the week of Nancy Reagan's death,

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is another former First Lady hoping America's women will help vote

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in their first Madam President? Hillary Clinton might have been

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beaten in the Michigan primary on Tuesday but she's only lost

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the Democrats' female vote in two states so far which begs

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the question, is there any union We are joined by Annie Mac. Thank

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you for coming on at this ungodly hour. This is mourning for me. Is

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the sisterhood a real thing? Yes, I think so. I think it definitely is.

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Personally, I gravitate towards women. I like to feel I support

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women. I think it is important to do that. There are certain divisive

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things about the word sisterhood. That Kim Kardashian selfie has

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really divided people. It is just self publicity from a self

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publicist, isn't it? She is working the brand pretty hard, but there are

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a lot of women saying she should love her body, she is liberated and

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should be empowered to do that. There are other women who are

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saying, why doesn't she use her huge power and influence to shout about

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the fact that she is a great businesswoman and she has made

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millions of pounds from doing that side of things. You regard her as

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part of the sisterhood? I don't really know what you mean by

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sisterhood, to be honest. It's not a gang! Does it mean anything, or not?

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Sisterhood? It does if you have loads of Powells who are women. But

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it is not a support mechanism to help women help each other to get

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on? I think women naturally want to help people, but then they also

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don't. In all of these things, it just has to be an equal pairing with

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men. So there is no reason why, what is the male version of sisterhood?

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Rutherford, I guess. Do you ask men about brotherhood? Jess is still

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celebrating the election of our first woman Prime Minister back in

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1979. I am delighted that happened! IFS, I think there is a sisterhood.

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I think obviously women, we are not exclusively great to each other and

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we can drag each other down just as well as we build each other up, but

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I think there is a sisterhood. I feel a sisterhood. I feel a group of

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women I do not know pushing me forward at all times. Because there

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is such a lack of role models in the public eye with women. When I saw

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the Kim Kardashian selfie I was like, this is so boring. Stop! Do

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something interesting, something that will make us... A witty

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one-liner. Can we leave Kim Kardashian now? Can we? Move on.

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Have you been helped by the sisterhood? Yes, and I try to

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support women coming up. What I do beyond broadcasting, as a club DJ,

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there are not many girls that do it. It is predominantly men. So I have

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come through my career being one of the soul women who do it. The first

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time I was aware, the first time I felt weird or an comfortable about

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it was when you start DJ in places like Ibiza or Vegas, and you are

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surrounded by podiums of scantily clad women in bikinis, writhing

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around and dancing, employed by the club. You look at women on the dance

:42:14.:42:17.

floor and you think, you are being told this is as far as you can get.

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There are not enough women being DJs. Girls are always saying to me,

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I want to be a DJ because I have seen you do it. Just because I am a

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woman. There are not enough women. Like Jess, people in positions of

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power, female bosses, people making money, making decisions, not enough

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women doing that. Whenever there is a woman doing it there is why is an

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automatic push from other women going, yes, we need that. Do women

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help other women? I can only big for the Labour Party. I used to work in

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women's aid, so I only worked with women. Since I arrived in

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Westminster, there is a sorority of, you have to be the best you can be,

:43:05.:43:07.

and I feel the other Labour women helping me, and some Conservative

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women. People like Terry is a fee. She makes sure we are all all right.

:43:15.:43:20.

If she thinks things are going wrong. Harriet Harman, Margaret

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Hodge, we are pushing each other forward. Men have always had support

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systems around them, clubs and groups where they promote each

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other. Even the Masons. I have on the whole lives outside these

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groups. I am not bothered about it! I was going to say that I did not

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think brotherhood existed in the same way as apparently sisterhood

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might. And then I was going to say I wondered whether there was a

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difficulty that sisterhood begins to sound a bit like victim hood,

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something that women feel they have to do because of the position they

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occupy, the suppressed position. I just wonder whether that is the way

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you want to advertise yourselves. I agree. It has to feel equal, I

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think. Men have certainly helped men in the past. Maybe the reason women

:44:19.:44:22.

do help other women is because there is still a lot of work to do. There

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is indeed. We have run out of time. Thank you for being with us.

:44:29.:44:31.

That's your lot for tonight folks but not for us because it's soup

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And with the latest Government figures showing that the number

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of people forced to sleep rough has doubled under David Cameron -

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that's right, folks, doubled - we're off to turn a blind

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Nighty night, don't let the crisis on our streets bite.

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# When you've got worries all the noise and the hurry

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# Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city

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# Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty

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# You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares

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# You'll find a place for sure, downtown

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