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# I would like to leave this city # This old town don't smell too | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
pretty # And I can feel the warning signs | :00:22. | :00:29. | |
running around my mind # So what do you say? | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
# You can't give me the dreams that are mine anyway | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
# Half a world away # Half a world away | :00:42. | :00:51. | |
# I've been lost, I've been found but I don't feel down. | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
# A week in which Boy George flung off | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
the sober suits a Chancellor is required to wear, | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
and donned the flowing robes of a soothsayer to tell us not only | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
what the nation's gross domestic product would be in the year 2030, | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
but that it would be precisely 6.2% smaller if we left | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
the European Union. Put aside the ungenerous thought | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
that Boy George has never yet made a forecast he's managed to hit, | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
or the uncomfortable fact that in last month's Budget, | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
with the financial year only a couple of weeks to run, | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
his prediction for how much he'd have to borrow was still out | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
by ?2 billion. That's just the carping of lesser | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
mortals faced with Mystic George, who only has to stare | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
into his crystal balls to tell us the size of our economy | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
in 14 years' time, If only he had the balls | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
to know what the size of the economy will be this | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
year, or next. I'd even settle for the winner | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
of tomorrow's 3.30 Handicap Speaking of those with an uncanny | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
knack for being the future once - and when you look at their pasts, | :02:02. | :02:11. | |
you can hardly blame them for preferring futurology to looking | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
back - I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two fortune cookies | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
we'd love to crack open. Think of them as the | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
Nostradamus and Cassandra I speak, of course, of #newtlabour | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Ken Livingstone, I presume, and #sadmanonatrain Michael | :02:26. | :02:33. | |
"Chooey McChooChoo Face" Portillo. Your moment of the week? President | :02:34. | :02:51. | |
Obama met the King of Saudi Arabia, and there is a bit of a new | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
relationship going on. The United States is being very careful with | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
Saudi Arabia and has trodden on eggshells with them. Obviously, the | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
relationship is now strained because the United States has done a deal | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
with Iran, there is talk of publishing what has been suppressed | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
evidence about the Saudi Arabian connection with 9/11. I welcome | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
this. Saudi Arabia is the unspoken subject in all the discussions about | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
the causes of terrorism around Europe. No one ever says what about | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
the amount of money financing the spread of Wahhabi is through Europe? | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
What about the mosques being established by the Saudis, all of | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
them address is. So let's put something on the table and discuss | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
this. Well, you can see he has very little time for the Saudis, which is | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
revealing. Harold Macmillan wrote in 1955 that he was worried that oil | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
money coming to Saudi was funding a spread of intolerant Islam around | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
the world. Your moment of the week? The depressing result in New York. I | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
am a Bernie Sanders fan. Why does that not surprise me? My worry is | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
that Hillary Clinton is so seen as part of the establishment, there to | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
do what the Rich tell her, that I think Trump might actually beat her. | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
She is ahead in the polls but Trump is a cynical hugger and he will move | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
to try and get all the old Bernie Sanders voters. He still has to get | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
the Republican nomination himself. Ted Cruz is even madder than he is. | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Ted Cruz is like the American Tal Afar and, you know. Is he into | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
beheading? Something like half the members of Congress do not believe | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
in evolution. It is just a moment of the week, not an essay of the week. | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
Do I go on too long? No one has ever said that. Does he go on too long? | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
Is the Pope Catholic? I think he is. Now, Barack Obama recently said that | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
failing to prepare for the aftermath of toppling Colonel Gaddafi | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
was the worst mistake of his presidency and in making his | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
confession he managed to sling a few barbs at Call-Me-Dave, | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
accusing the PM of being distracted after the warplanes of Britain | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
and its allies attacked Libya Since then the country has | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
experienced chaos and civil war rather | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
than liberation and democracy. America, Britain, France, | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
Germany and Italy meet next week and there's speculation | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
that they may agree military support for a newly-established Libyan | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
Government of National Accord. Here's author and journalist Rory | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
O'Keeffe with his take of the week. Images of Gaddafi meeting world | :05:34. | :05:50. | |
leaders in a Bedouin tent in my former home city of Sirte have | :05:51. | :06:02. | |
become notorious, if not iconic, so we have come to our own little | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
This Week tent to talk It's fair to say, the north African | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
country has not been a gold standard of foreign intervention | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
for the West. Barack Obama was right | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
to call his failure to stick around after launching his F1-11s | :06:21. | :06:33. | |
the biggest mistake David Cameron, who made | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
the same mistake, could make Because once you choose to engage | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
in other states' politics, you can't just clear off as soon | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
as your bombers have The UK is proposing to do what it | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
should have done five years ago, offering money and support | :06:49. | :06:56. | |
to a Libyan government. But it spent the last five years | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
preventing democratically elected administrations | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
from using their own money Even now, a major reason the UK | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
is supporting this new government, one of three operating within | :07:08. | :07:16. | |
the state, seems rather cynical. It's likely to invite | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
new air strikes on Libya. The driver for our renewed interest | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
in Libya is IS, a horrific enemy, but only a bit part | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
player in its Civil War. Western governments feared | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
that IS members are running from Syria and Iraq to Libya, | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
but there's little Putting troops on the ground | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
for training purposes is appealing, but we must remember that, | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
among the forces fighting IS in Libya, are members | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
of Al-Qaeda and, whatever scare mongers might say, | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
it's not IS maniacs risking their lives on the Mediterranean | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
and leaking dinghies. The lesson to be learnt from Libya's | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
grim recent past seems to be that the money is available for air | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
strikes, but not to enable secure states which would make those air | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
strikes unnecessary. From the This Week Bedouin tent | :08:10. | :08:17. | |
to the sagging guy ropes of meaningful discussion on This | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
Week, Rory O'Keeffe joins me now. Welcome to the programme. The | :08:21. | :08:33. | |
president says that not planning for the day after Colonel Gaddafi's fall | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
was his biggest mistake. Is it too late to put that right? There is an | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
extent to which we could argue that the five years of chaos that have | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
Vince Soodin mean there was a massive wasted opportunity, but I | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
believe we have a responsibility and the ability to help assist Libya to | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
write some of the rungs. There is this new UN backed government of | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
National accord. The Prime Minister had to arrive by boat because his | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
rivals closed the airport around Tripoli. Is that worth supporting? | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
Absolutely, it is just about a government but there is certainly no | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
national accord. There are three governments, none of which have the | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
legitimacy or mandate of having been elected in a popular vote. The | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
government of national accord unfortunately appears to have been | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
foisted on Libya by the international community in the hope | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
that it will invite air strikes on centres of population in Libya. That | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
does not seem a form you for success. It would seem, if you have | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
a country which has three governments, all of them well armed, | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
knocking lumps out of each other, this is not a place to get involved | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
in. Unless you want to get all your people killed, I think you are | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
right. There is not the situation either to put in peacekeepers, or | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
people who are going to be trainers. Let's go back to the beginning of | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
that film. I think in general the removal of dictators has been a | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
disaster in western foreign policy. Because what it has allowed is | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
chaos, huge amounts of killing and safe havens for IS and Al-Qaeda. And | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
it probably is too late. However, because we have made mistakes in the | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
past does not mean all interventions in future would be a mistake. But | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
what about Libya? I don't think there are conditions at the moment | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
for an intervention, but if there were the hope of stability I would | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
be in favour of supporting a government that could be a barrier | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
to the free operation of terrorist groups that are a threat to us. | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
Having created the problem, do we let them stew in their own juice? | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
You could do a bit more bombing. That will not have any great effect. | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
If you want to impose some sort of structure you are talking about | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
hundreds of thousands of troops. We do not have the capacity. If it was | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
just the West, no one trusts the West in the Middle East any more. I | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
remember my first speech when I was 11 years old in the school debating | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
society was denouncing Britain's invasion of Egypt in 1956. I can't | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
think of any invention -- intervention we have done in the | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
Middle East that has not been a disaster. This meeting taking place | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
between the allies which includes Germany, who will not be involved, | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
but it will involve Britain, America, France and Germany. There | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
is talk of a stabilisation force, which would go into Tripoli, secure | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
the airport and then start to train people there. What difference will | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
that make? It is very difficult to see what difference that would make. | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
I think we have taken the wrong attitude and we are imposing order | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
on a situation where order cannot be imposed at this moment. We need to | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
be working very hard to bring particularly the two sets of illegal | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
militias which claimed to support two of Libya's three governments to | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
some form of peace. We have been trying to do that and they would | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
rather knock lumps out of each other. We have not tried to bring an | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
end to the Libyan civil war. How do you? We need to engage properly with | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
both governments and also with operation dignity which claims to | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
support the house of representatives. These are two | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
coalitions but one is run by a who thinks he should be the next | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
Gaddafi. Why would he deal with us? That is true. What we need to talk | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
about seriously is how peace can work in Libya and what role, if any, | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
that general takes. You seem to downplay the importance of Islamic | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
State, but there are about 5000 fighters there, and I don't agree | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
with you. I think much of the intelligence is strong that many of | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
them have come from Syria and Iraq as that has been degraded by | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
bombing. 5000, they occupy right on the central coast line. 180 miles of | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
that coastline, and they have been taking out a series of oil | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
installations. They have failed to take them out. They launched a | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
series of attacks on those installations, which have been | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
defended by the petroleum facilities guard. I have seen nothing but add | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
reports on these guys. Any attack is bad news. When Gaddafi was boss, oil | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
output was 1.6 million barrels per day and it is now under 400,000. | :13:48. | :13:55. | |
Libya is in a state of civil war. When you talk about me downplaying | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
IS, I believe they are a horrific organisation and should be taken | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
seriously but they are the smallest of the forces fighting in Libya at | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
the moment and they are reliant on the continuation of the Libyan civil | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
war in order to operate in Libya. If we are going to get involved in | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
this, whether we like it or not, and there has been talk of 1000 British | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
troops going there as trainers, is that they matter, putting aside with | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
EU are in favour or not, is that matter for the government orders | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Parliament have to have say? I think it has been a mistake for the | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
government to put itself in a position where it has to go to the | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
House of Commons in order to go to war. That will be a minority point | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
of view but I don't think governments should go back to | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
Parliament. So I will say that the government should be allowed to do | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
this. However, if it is claiming that this is a situation that cannot | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
become dangerous and for that reason it does not need to go to | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
Parliament, the reasoning is faulty. If you are sending in 1000 people, | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
you need 1000 people to defend them. You need a lot more than that. | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
Should government have the freedom to do this, or should they have to | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
go to Parliament? Literally, London will be more of a | :15:11. | :15:23. | |
target for a terrorist attack. There needs to be an open and honest | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
debate about this in Parliament. Someone has to oversee them. They | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
may well get it wrong. Don't they also have to have some leeway. All | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
our foreign policy is dictated about whether whir frightened of people | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
putting bombs in London, a hopeless place in which to decide on foreign | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
policy. When Blair was planning to invade Iraq, he was warned by our | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
Security Services, this will make a target for terrorism. That needs to | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
be debated in Parliament. And he may have decided that was a secondary | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
fact and they wanted more morn things than that. If you had been a | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
woman living in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, you could walk around the | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
street in a mini skirt, do that today you would be stoned to death. | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
You are switching the argument, the be-all-and-end-all shouldn't be | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
about whether or not we are afraid of terrorism. | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
The point Ken made about life under Saddam Hussein, you can agree or | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
disagree with that, but isn't the blunt truth that most Libyans are | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
pining for the return of Colonel Gaddafi, probably? Funnily enough, | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
one of the few things most Libyans today agree on is their continued | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
opposition to Gaddafi. Really, how do we know that? All militia members | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
and people on the street and I'm in regular contact with people in | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
Libya. But the economy is now going to be the fastest tanking economy in | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
the world, people are suffering from malnutrition there. Oil, which was | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
the only source of Government revenue, is at record lows. | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
Absolutely. If you were an ordinary Libyan, I mean Colonel Gaddafi was | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
an evil dictator, but you basically had a job and you got fed? And there | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
were supporters of Gaddafi, that's why there was a Civil War in 2011, | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
there were people who fought in support of Gaddafi. The issue is | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
however we are entering the third year of Libya's second Civil War. | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
The country is tanking, no doubt, and the major mistake, and there | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
must be a discussion at some point, but the major mistake we made was | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
turning our backs on Libya when Gaddafi was killed. We'll leave it | :17:43. | :17:43. | |
there. Now it's late, John Whittingdale | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
in a lap dancing club late. And of course he was only | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
on a fact-finding mission, honest. So make sure you declare | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
an interest, because waiting in the wings, classical singer, | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
Katherine Jenkins is here to sing the national anthem with Ken | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
Livingstone. And if you like the sound | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
of that, let us know on The Twitter, the Fleecebook, | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
the InstaGranny SnapDrivel, And never forgetting | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
Gordon Brown's World Now, everyone knows the royal | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
family are above politics. But when hopes for a new royal yacht | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
were sunk back in the 90s, And according to his biographer, | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
Gyles Brandreth, he named "And then Portillo got involved," | :18:26. | :18:34. | |
said Prince Phillip "and made a complete Blue Nun of it. | :18:35. | :18:42. | |
Absolutely idiotic!" Here on This Week we clearly owe | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
the royal family a favour, and so to celebrate the Queen's | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
90th birthday, we've commissioned our own royal | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
pottery Here's his commemorative round-up | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
of the political week. I suppose anyone doing a job for 90 | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
years deserves some recognition. So, inspired by Queenie's milestone, | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
This Week commissioned me, a staunch republican | :19:13. | :19:24. | |
and spectacularly bad drawer to create a commemorative | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
collection of China. George Osborne started the week | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
painting a vivid picture of, for once, a wrecked British economy, | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
if we vote to leave Europe. Her Maj might even have to flog | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
a castle if the Treasury is right The most likely bill for our public | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
services if we left the EU That's an increase of 8p | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
on the basic rate of income tax. Higher taxes and a smaller economy | :19:56. | :20:05. | |
is not a price worth paying. Up popped that prince of EU leavers, | :20:06. | :20:16. | |
Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary, to hit back at his chum | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
George's gloomy predictions and outline his own Brexit plan, | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
promising greater freedom, If we vote to stay the EU's bosses | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
and bureaucrats will take that as carte blanche to continue taking | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
more power and money They will say that we | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
voted for more Europe. Any protest on our part will be met | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
with a complacent shrug and a reminder that we were given | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
our own very special negotiation, The former London Mayor Ken | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
Livingstone threatened to become an emigre and move abroad | :20:47. | :21:03. | |
if Britain quits Europe. The current mayor of London, | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
Boris Johnson, offered to pack The Queen's 90th is on US President | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
Barack Obama's legacy tour. Yet, before he sits down | :21:11. | :21:23. | |
with her in Windsor, it was clear the political goal | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
of the leader of an American republic which fought a war | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
of independence to shake up the British monarchy, | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
is to keep Britain in Europe. This decision is a decision | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
for the British people We are sovereign in making this | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
decision. Personally, I believe we should | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
listen to advice from friends and other countries, | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
and I struggle to find the leader of any friendly country | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
who thinks we should leave. After the briefest of happy returns | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
from republican Jeremy Corbyn, at Prime Minister's Questions, | :21:56. | :22:14. | |
the Labour leader exploited Tory splits over plans to force | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
every school in England Why on earth is the Prime Minister | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
proposing to spend ?1.3 billion on a top-down reorganisation that | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
wasn't in his manifesto, teachers don't want it, | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
parents don't want it, governors don't want it, | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
headteachers don't want it? Even his own MPs and councillors | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
don't want it. We are spending ?7 billion on more | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
school places to make up for the woeful lack of action under | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
the last Labour government. With another doctors' strike looming | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
in England, the Health Secretary was pressed to clear up confusion | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
over whether he is imposing or introducing new contracts, | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
whatever the difference means. Despite giving us all the impression | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
back in February that he was going to railroad through a new contract, | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
it now seems the Health Secretary Yes, we are imposing | :23:07. | :23:14. | |
a new contract and we are doing it with the greatest of regret, | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
because the BMA refused Had they negotiated on Saturday pay, | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
as they said they would, Instead we have a strike, | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
the first ever withdrawal Let me know if your royal street | :23:31. | :23:39. | |
party is interrupted by canvassers because the political parties | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
are putting out their bunting ahead of elections next month in England, | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
Wales, Scotland and Northern And despite the SNP manifesto | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
launched this week not promising a referendum on independence, | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made clear that is what | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
still drives her party. Setting the date for a referendum | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
before a majority of the Scottish people have been persuaded that | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
independence and therefore another referendum is the best | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
future for our country So this summer we will start | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
new work to persuade a majority in Scotland of that | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
case for independence. Cameron, Corbyn and the rest packed | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
the Commons today to ladle praise on the Queen at the end of a week | :24:34. | :24:42. | |
in which sovereignty I wonder what a prime minister, | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
party leader or president would do Deference isn't my style, | :24:47. | :24:55. | |
but I suppose the old girl uses a lot of crockery for all those | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
celebratory dinners I wonder if she could do with a few | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
pieces from the royal Kevin Maguire, ruining his chances | :25:05. | :25:12. | |
of ever being awarded a knighthood, Leader of the Greens, | :25:13. | :25:22. | |
Natalie Bennett, and her on-screen husband and leader | :25:23. | :25:33. | |
of the Ukips, Nigel Farage. Welcome. Mr Obama has just landed in | :25:34. | :25:45. | |
London. He's got an article in the Telegraph coming up in the morning | :25:46. | :25:52. | |
towards the end it's strong, it's in America's interests, Britain's | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
interests, in the EU's interests that we stay in the EU. Is he right | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
to intervene? I don't think he is, no, but I'm not sure he really | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
understands it. I was in Washington last year. Some thought that EU was | :26:06. | :26:13. | |
a friendly trade club. That was a generous interpretation. It's in his | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
interests and the interests of giant American corporate businesses that | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
Britain states we stay in the EU, move on to the Transatlantic | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
investment treaty. I guess it's the latter. Is he right to intervene? | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
It's right for him to share his views. He's the leader of the US, | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
he's sharing the US view, we should look at it with appropriate | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
scepticism. He's looking at the view from the US first, but he's also | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
looking at the fact that he is saying that the EU is greater than | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
the sum of its parts in terms of its role on the world stage. When you | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
put together a group of nations working together tot protect climate | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
change and workers's rights, when you put them together and work as a | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
group, that is stronger than if we were working alone. Will it make a | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
difference, the intervention of the President? I don't think it will | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
make any difference at all. When have you ever taken notice of what a | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
US president said? I've always followed what they said. That's a | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
different matter. At least he's not bombing us, he's just telling us | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
what he thinks, that's a real improvement with American diplomacy. | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
You don't think it will affect the debate? No. People make up their | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
mind based on the debates. Nigel's lot and the other side are banging | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
on about stuff. I've said all the way through, I'll vote to leave the | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
moment someone can prove to me we'll be better off outside. The | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
overwhelming majority, economists and business people are in favour of | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
staying in, and it's a nightmare. You are following big business? | :27:54. | :28:05. | |
Corporate Ken! ? Just look at the last six years... I want to come | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
back to the president. Will the President's intervention make a | :28:12. | :28:13. | |
difference? I don't believe it will. I wish I could take Obama just for | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
an hour to a European Union meeting so he could towns what extent Europe | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
and the European Union is driven by anti-Americanism. It's all about | :28:23. | :28:30. | |
NATO, having a kind of pastiche European defence identity, the whole | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
French idea is about elbowing the Americans out of Europe. The | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
Americans misunderstand the whole thing so badly. We are being | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
presented with a parody of what the US is like. Obama is not necessarily | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
listening to the Senators, he's listening to his advisers to a wide | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
range of experts just as the British people are listening to the | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
scientists for the EU, the scientists are overwhelmingly coming | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
out in favour of the EU. Tonight there was a big meeting, | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
environmentalists for the EU. Large numbers of people. In terms of big | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
business, the E such an organisation that can stand up to and rein in big | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
corporate interests in a way that's very, very difficult or impossible | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
for an individual country to do. I voted Green in 89 because you were | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
the only Euro-sceptic party in this country, highly principled. Is it | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
just the money that's turning the Green Party in favour? Clearly you | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
are funded heavily from the European Union. Your European election | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
campaign was funded by the EU. Is it as simple as that? I would very much | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
invite anybody out there to have a look at our accounts for the | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
European campaign or any other election campaign and they'll find | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
that the level of funding that we have in the Green Party is on a very | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
much smaller scale than other parties. That's because we are | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
funded... Do you get any money from the European Union? Not to fight the | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
election campaign. But you do get money? For our MEPs doing all sorts | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
of work. The big development before the President arrived was the | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
forecast. Was it propaganda or public information? It's a guess. | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
The simple fact is, as you said at the beginning, we can't predict | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
what's happening in the British economy next year. We can't predict | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
what happened last year sometimes. One simple fact - we should look at | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
the last six years of our exports to Germany. In the years before we | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
joined the EU, they were cut in half, in the year since we joined, | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
they have gone up 120%. That's quite telling. Those are facts. | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
When we were out, we lost a load of our export markets and when we | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
joined we got it back. We lost all our trade outside the EU because we | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
put tariffs on. We cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Hardly | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
surprising trade with Germany increased, but their trade with us | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
increased much more quickly. We don't invest the way they do in | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
their industry. The Chancellor and everyone is saying, we have this | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
wonderful deal with the European Union and without it we would risk | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
everything. I think we have a rotten deal with the European Union for | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
access to selling our goods tariff- free to their markets. We pay 1% of | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
our GDP every day as a membership fee for an economy 12% of which is | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
exports to the EU. 100% of our businesses are regulated and we have | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
freedom of movement for 500 million people. What did you make of the | :31:40. | :31:47. | |
Treasury document? It reflects in many ways that the debate has been | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
shallow and focused on figures produced by both sides... You think | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
the document was shallow. I think we all know how George Osborne has | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
entirely changed his tone. Have you read the document? I have not read | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
it all. So how do you know it is shallow. It is packed with quadratic | :32:08. | :32:15. | |
equations. What I think is shallow is, how is this based on the reality | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
of the world. Given the fact we had George Osborne who in the autumn | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
suddenly discovered millions of pounds down the back of the sofa and | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
then found out he did not have them... We need to have this debate | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
on more serious grounds about what sort of country Britain is, how we | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
relate to our neighbours, meaning things like air pollution, water | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
pollution, wildlife. Those things do not stop at natural borders. They | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
are all interrelated. If it is such a cataclysm to leave the European | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
Union, why was the Prime Minister saying a few months ago that he | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
might, if the negotiation did not go right, recommend we leave the | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
European Union. You didn't believe that! If it is such a cataclysm to | :33:00. | :33:08. | |
leave the EU, why has the government risked a referendum? Because they | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
were frightened Nigel was gang to take a lot of their votes. That is | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
probably true. The government is either being insincere or | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
irresponsible, or both. How does the rest of the world survive outside | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
the EU? It is remarkable, isn't it? Switzerland appears to be doing | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
rather well. And has more free trade deals than we do negotiated on its | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
own behalf. Is the referendum playing into Ukip's position or | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
status? It is not doing any harm. I am pretty confident Ukip will win | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
seats in the Scottish parliament, the Northern Irish assembly, the | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
Welsh Assembly and in London. What about the Greens? I think many | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
people are seeing us as anti-UKIP, which is to our benefit. If we go | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
back to the by-election before the general election, we first heard | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
that. The fact that we are an opposite sides in the referendum, | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
and we celebrate the freedom of movement in the EU as enriching the | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
possibility of our lives, as against Ukip, yes. It is late, so you can be | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
honest because nobody is watching. Is it true that after the referendum | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
you are going to rebrand and relaunch your party? When I was in | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
business I work for a small firm, it happy place, which was taken over by | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
a bigger company and became different. The whole modus operandi | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
had to change. Ukip is basically run by volunteers who volunteered to be | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
elected onto a NEC, and they run the party, choose the candidates, do the | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
discipline. That was fine. We now have to have a professional | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
management board, and I think the model where we send money, get them | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
on the ship card we hold in our wallets is just old hat. -- get a | :35:01. | :35:09. | |
membership card. Italy has proved a completely different approach to | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
politics and that is where Ukip needs to go. I am going to ask you a | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
question Natalie Bennett, which you can answer in one word, yes, no or | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
maybe. Are you going to stand for real election as leader of the | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
Greens? I am entirely focused on the elections. Yes, no or maybe? I will | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
think about that after the elections, which is what the people | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
out there listening now will be focused on. That is what we are all | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
focused on. We should be focused on that and the referendum. Yes, no or | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
maybe? I will be deciding after the election. I know when I am beaten. | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
Thank you, Bob. Now, here on This Week we like to | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
think of ourselves as TV royalty. And for many years Michael | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
and Diane reigned supreme as the king and queen of late-night | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
political small-talk. Benign small-screen monarchs, | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
who embodied the very soul But now that Diane has abdicated | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
from serious politics and joined the Shadow Cabinet, | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
Michael is left all alone a modern-day Princess | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
Diana at the Taj Mahal, And that's why we've | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
decided to put the monarchy In case you missed it, | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
Her Maj has turned 90. She's the nation's oldest ever | :36:18. | :36:35. | |
and longest reigning sovereign. So has her longevity helped preserve | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
the monarchy's popularity Reluctant royal or man | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
who would be King? Wills has been following his | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
mother's footsteps this week, but some ask whether he'll prove | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
to be a people's prince and how much responsibility the second in line | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
to the throne really craves. Duty can sort of weigh you down | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
an awful lot at a very early age and I think you've got | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
to develop into the duty role. The Prime Minister might have led | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
Parliament's tributes to the boss on her birthday but were all eyes | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
actually on the man who refused to sing God Save the Queen last | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
year, Republican Whatever different views people | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
across this country have about the institution, | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
the vast majority share an opinion that Her Majesty's served this | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
country and has overwhelming support with a clear sense of public service | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
and public duty. She is certainly flying the Royal | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
standard and Katherine Jenkins will be singing at the Queen's | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
birthday celebrations So as an eventful life | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
enters its tenth decade, should we all bow down | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
and give our thanks? We are joined by Katherine Jenkins. | :37:46. | :38:02. | |
Welcome to the programme. You are singing for the Queen again. Has she | :38:03. | :38:10. | |
got you on speed dial? It is always such an honour and a huge thing to | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
be asked to be part of the birthday celebrations. I have known for a | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
year, because it has been planned for quite a long time. It will be | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
held on the grounds of Windsor Castle. You will be singing there, | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
in the open air? I think it will be an open-air show with the music and | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
pageantry of the Windsor horse show. It will be quite a spectacle. Are | :38:34. | :38:43. | |
you a royalist? I am. My mum and my late grandmother are huge royal | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
fans. I remember going on holiday to the Isle of Wight, and the Royal | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
yacht was going to be passing and my mum was so excited. We had to rush | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
to the beach to be able to see this. On the horizon. Huge fans. Not long | :38:56. | :39:04. | |
ago, in the 1990s, the royal family was under some pressure. But it | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
seems to have escaped from that. When you look at the younger royals, | :39:11. | :39:18. | |
who you have sunk to as well, is the future in good hands? I think there | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
is a lot of goodwill towards the royal family, especially when you | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
look at the work ethic of the Queen, and the dedication, the energy she | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
puts in. My experience has always been that she is informed, has | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
something to say to everybody and has a great sense of humour. I think | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
that comes across. Of course, the younger royals are somebody that my | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
generation look up to as well. Do you get to speak to her when you do | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
the singing? When you do the Royal variety performance, all of the | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
performers line-up and there is a brief shake hands. Does she ever put | :39:59. | :40:07. | |
in a request? No. I surprised, as we head into the 21st-century, and as | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
we were ending the last century republican sentiment had risen, the | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
Queen talked about her horrible year. And yet the monarchy seems as | :40:17. | :40:26. | |
strong as ever. I was always a Republican and in the midst of Mrs | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
Thatcher abolishing the GLC I got a phone call from Buckingham Palace, | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
saying that the Queen would want to open the Thames Barrier. I thought, | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
that will Peers Thatcher. She did that. But you are still a | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
Republican? The trouble is, what do you have in place? Do you have an | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
election between former prime ministers, celebrities? I think the | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
Queen has been magnificent. She has genuinely serve the country. If I | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
was to make a case for republicanism, it is people like the | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
youngsters. Prince Charles grew up and we read in the papers about his | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
exam results, his early dates. If you are going to have a royal | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
family, the kids should be kept out of that publicity. I think we have | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
just seen the convert of a Republican, Mr Portillo. And he is | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
following big business on the European Union. It has been an | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
interesting evening. RU surprised by the strength of the monarchy these | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
days? I am a bit but I do not think it has happened by accident. It has | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
been an effort by the Queen and Prince William, who have rescued the | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
situation into which they had got by 1997. Amongst the many remarkable | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
things that have happened are that they have turned it around. Remember | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
some of the extraordinary thing is the Queen has done. I would pick out | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
in particular her role in the Irish peace process. Also as Head of the | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
Commonwealth. You can't tell us what you are going to sing on the night? | :42:06. | :42:13. | |
It is top secret. I will tell you afterwards. Excellent. You are going | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
to sing for us tonight. The national anthem. I think it is apt for today. | :42:19. | :42:31. | |
We have put the words on-screen for you, can, in case there is a | :42:32. | :42:32. | |
problem. # You can't give me the dreams | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
that are mine anyway # I've been lost, I've been found | :42:40. | :44:06. | |
but I don't feel down | :44:07. | :44:25. |