09/06/2016 This Week

# This is the self-preservation society.#

Whatever you think about our mates across the

Channel, gold bullion expert Martin Lewis tells us why

Wait till you see those Italian birds.

So, what will happen if we leave the EU?

Masterminding the job on the outside, Quentin Letts looks at

the Downing Street self-preservation society.

I want Charlie Croker given a good going over.

Cameron, Farage and Cohen had a bit of a bumpy ride

this week when they ran into that unyielding force, the voter.

Does Mr Bridger think he can take over Europe?

Film-maker Michael Moore has been touring the Continent trying to

find bits of European culture worth nicking.

Oi, shut that bloody water cannon off.

And he likes a bit of confrontation, our Jerry Springer,

but if Hillary and Donald were slugging it out in his studio,

Never mind separating those two, I am making a getaway before Michael

and Liz have at each other on This Week.

You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.

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# This is the self-preservation society...#

Welcome to This Week, the bewildered little Japanese boy

of British broadcasting, stranded in the scary forest

that is BBC current affairs, abandoned for lost by cruel

schedulers who know no mercy and seem to have no concept of time.

And yet you have stumbled upon us, despite BBC Yentobs'

And you find us watching the clock, because the midnight hour

approaches, and if you haven't yet registered to vote in the upcoming

referendum, you quite literally have only minutes to spare.

As of 11:59pm, the Government's registration website will

self-destruct, and your democratic disenfranchisement will be

Of course, the deadline was supposed to be two nights ago,

but the website crashed before it could officially implode,

after a post-pub plebiscite surge overwhelmed the ZX81 motherboard

Conspiracy theories now swirl, and the more wild-eyed Brexiteers

smell a stitch-up and a cover-up rather than a cock-up,

claiming the decision to extend the deadline was not simply

because the website crashed, but because the Government wants

more Remain supporters to sign up, so officials engineered it.

Those who think that are poor, deluded souls.

If you think Whitehall has the skill or expertise to organise the crash

of an official website, then you clearly have no idea how

useless all governments are when it comes to all matters digital.

Most of the time they can barely keep their websites

The idea they're clever enough to cause a crash can only mean

you've hit the Blue Nun even earlier than usual.

Speaking of those who couldn't tell their digital servers

from their butlers, I'm joined on the sofa tonight

by two unacceptable faces of modern Britain.

Think of them as the Sports Direct and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit

I speak, of course, of #fourpercent Liz "Miserables" Kendall and Michael

"Leopard-Print Budgie Smugglers" Portillo.

Your moment of the week? The selection of Hillary Clinton as the

Democratic candidate because it makes it possible for there to be a

woman President. I was struck by a parallel with Margaret Thatcher,

immediately people saying how many young women dislike the candidate.

It also struck me that perhaps the parallel in America would be more

like Mrs Blair running for the presidency because of the baggage

she carries from her husband, President Clinton. In any case, the

United States puts itself in a position possibly in 2016 to do what

we achieved in 1979, have a woman on top. And what India achieved many

years before that. Snap, the same moment. There have been 56

presidential elections, 33 before women even had the vote this is the

first time either major party has had a woman. Because Hillary Clinton

has been around for so long, I think we underestimate what a huge

achievement this has been. It has not quite made the headlines you

would think. It should do. For me, it is not just because she is a

woman but because she fights for women. Having a woman who is a proud

feminist as well as the presidential candidate I think will be

inspirational to women. And look at what she has been through. If any of

us had been through that in our professional and private lives...

Married to Bill? Exactly. She comes back, never gives up, relentless,

and I hope she sucks it to Donald Trump. -- socks.

Decision time will soon be upon us, and the big question remains

the same - whose campaign party should the This Week team attend

After all, we're not on air that night, so we can parteee!

Leave.EU are providing free champagne right through to 6am.

Stronger In Europe have promised an exclusive rendition of Ode To Joy

from the Kinnock Family Singers, plus Liz Kendall on spoons

But the rest of you still have to think about the issues and then

We turned to a man who thinks he can help,

Here's his referendum take of the week.

All week, politicians have been on TV

Spin and spiel, it's black, it's white.

But in the biggest question everyone's asking me,

what will happen if we leave, the truth is, there are no facts.

Anyone who tells you they know what will happen is a liar.

This is actually a very finely balanced decision.

And politicians would be more believable if they admitted that.

For me, what we need to do is a risk assessment.

The EU is unquestionably distant, only vaguely accountable,

inefficient and out of sync with much of the population.

Though were it more democratic, many would then argue it

But if we leave, well, look at the UK.

We have an unelected legislature in the form of the Lords,

only 37% of people voted for our government and the truth

is that we, too, are run by civil servants.

But at least here there is genuine political oversight.

Certainly, if we leave the EU we will have full control

over our own borders, but there is still a risk.

It's possible that as a term of a future trade deal

with our EU partners, they demand we sign up

And if we take it, that means we are in the same boat as now

Now, it's certainly riskier to leave than to stay,

but I mean risk in its true sense, as as it of variance,

We could leave and be a nimble tiger economy,

unfettered by the EU, all we could be languishing on the

Most independent experts do say leaving is likely to be detrimental,

And I'm biased towards that opinion, too.

the EU, or we could be languishing on the sidelines after a bitter It's

But that doesn't mean it will happen. It's just a measure of

chance. And from the Big Sky

studios in Kings Cross to our little This Week studio

here in Westminster, It's only controversial

Ukip suspendee and thorn Welcome back. You say there are no

hard facts and no one can predict what will happen to the economy,

many trying to make out they can. Can't tell what will happen to house

prices. But you say a vote for Brexit is unquestionably

economically riskier. Why? Risk in its genuine sense. Whisk in

financial terms can be a good thing because people hope for a good

reward, but at a chance they will lose out. -- risk. It could work for

us, it could not. My summary is, if you are not willing to take the risk

that things could get worse, you should vote to stay in. If you are

willing to take the risk that things could get worse in the hope that

they will get better, you should probably vote out. But risk is not a

bad thing in the true sense. It is a measure of variance. Of course, the

future is not certain if we stay in, but it is more uncertain if we

leave. It is like putting money in a savings account or a hedge fund.

Exactly. The EU is mired in troubles at the moment, particularly the

eurozone. So there could be risks of staying in, to. There are certainly

risks of staying in. No question. But in terms of what we know will

happen, there is more stability. It is interesting, you watch the debate

and people talk about the pound dropping after a Brexit vote. Of

course, because the Brexit vote is uncertain and markets hate

uncertainty. We don't know whether that would be a short-term shock on

the back of big change, or whether it would be a much longer economic

downturn, which is what many experts are predicting. I think probably in

short and medium term we would have real negatives. I suspect longer

term it would be back deck Willoughby, in 25 years. It is

difficult to call, but I do not think anyone -- I do not want anyone

to think I am saying that I know. You would expect the pound to be

weak if the Prime Minister and Chancellor are running down our

prospects. Although it is higher than it was when the referendum was

called. But you have other issues affecting the pound. I watched the

debate tonight, and what really annoyed me was that on every

question from every member of the audience, the Remain campaigners

made out that the question, whether immigration, sovereignty or the

economy, they made out at staying in the EU was good on that subject and

the Leave campaigners made out that leaving would be good. The truth is

we know some things are good and some are bad and you need to weigh

them up, which is why the public are not trusting politicians. It is a

binary vote, but not a binary argument. Michael, fear of the

unknown, that is the Leave campaign's biggest problem, is it

not? I don't know that it is. The first thing I would say is that over

the last two years we have seen that the greatest achievement of the

European Union is the euro and that has been a hazardous undertaking. It

has been in danger of collapsing, member states have been in danger of

leaving it. It has created mass unemployment in southern Europe,

plunged Europe as a whole into negative growth. You have to put

these things together. If you have free movement of people and you

create mass unemployment in southern Europe by having the euro, what is

going to happen? Migrants will move to where the jobs are in Northern

Europe. This is part of a political plot. One would have more confidence

in the European economy if it were run as an economy, but it is being

run as a political project. The invention of the euro is nothing to

do with good economics but about creating a European state. Its

consequences in the short, medium and possibly long-term are

economically disastrous. There are enormous risks in remaining attached

to this economy. Isn't fear of the unknown, it is a bigger step to vote

to leave, than it is to remain, it is difficult for your side to give

us a clear idea, even a picture of what it would be like to be out. It

is difficult because it is human nature to avoid change. If you are

somebody who is comfortable, not struggling to find a job, a young

person struggling to find a job, somebody a working-class community

trying to get a job at minimum wage and facing competition from Eastern

European migrants or whatever, it is easy to think, my life is not too

bad, so why should we take the risk? But as Martin says, it is a

calculated risk and they are good things. No one would get anywhere in

business... Is it calculated if we don't quite know what the future

holds? It could be better or worse. We don't know what Remain looks like

as well, because that is the point, the EU has never produced a

manifesto. It has always been quite secretive about its ultimate plans

and destiny. But surely we have less variance, we have a better picture

of what Remain would be like them we do what Leave would be like. I am

not saying risk is bad, that common-sense says there is more

uncertainty if we have this seismic change. Let me bring lives in. Given

the weight of economic opinion on your side of Remain, is it

surprisingly polls are so tight? No, one thing I have seen change over

the last couple of weeks is how people are looking at their lives

over the last five, ten years, changes in the way the economy has

worked even before the crash, and the EU is ending up being the things

that people are looking at and questioning overall sorts of issues,

it is a referendum on the Government's record, on the way the

economy works and the fact that most people were not seeing the benefits

of the growth before the crash, and it is getting muddled up. It is a

difficult question for both sides to deal with. We don't know with

certainty what will happen if we remain, and we should admit that,

but we do have more of a sense of what it would look like, and there

is far more risk if we pull out. You are right, it is funny, when you are

talking to your own side, they like that passion, total certainty, but

most people, if you talk to them on the doorstep, if you do a bit of

give and take and understanding, they are more likely to listen.

There is a sense now, it is not just that people don't trust politicians,

it is almost like any expert, any of the elite, anyone with experience,

that is being questioned. People don't trust everyone, from

broadcasters to businesses. You raise an interesting point, in the

next two weeks there will be two forces at work. In most referendum

there is a move to the status quo. It did not happen in Scotland, but

that was the exception. On the other hand, there is this mood that Liz is

talking about, this referendum is taking place, it is an

antiestablishment, anti-mainstream voice, which one will win? That will

determine the outcome. I am confident we are going to win. We

have the Government until the end of her debt just trekking everything it

could, spraying frightening bullets left, right and centre. You are not

worried about the return to status quo? People are wanting change. It

is not quite what Liz said, this has been a thing for 44 years. The

Remain side spent a lot of their bullets to early, Barack Obama, the

G7. I had an interesting chat with a neighbour, I said, where are you? He

said, I am 60% out. I think I am going to vote in because you have to

be 65% out to vote out. That is the move to the status quo. That perhaps

happens when you are putting your cross on the form. I look at my

social media, I would say that is looking more and outvote them and

invoke, that there will be some bounce back to the status quo. I

waded up,... I did not approve the leaflets. I am 55% N. No move for

manoeuvre. But just in, on a risk analysis.

Steve-Double-MP-working-late-at-the- -office late.

So why don't you burn the midnight oil, and your moral bridges too,

because waiting in the wings, Oscar-winning documentary

filmmaker Michael Moore, along with the one and only Jerry

Here to discuss America, Europe and all points in between.

And if you have nothing in between your ears,

you'll feel right at home on the Twitter, the Fleecebook,

DownPeriscope, InstaNumpty, Snap Crackle and Pop and Gordon

Now, according to the producer of the original version

of The Italian Job, it was the very first Eurosceptic film.

Which must mean that this is the second, because here's a man

from the Daily Mail with an unlikely sequel, and our roundup

AS MICHAEL CAINE: His name is Quentin Letts.

Come on, lads, keep loading the gold.

Tonight, Euro 2016 kicks off in France, but will England and

Wales still be playing in Europe when the tournament is over?

This week, politicians on both sides of the

referendum debate discovered roads in Europe can be a little bumpy.

On Monday, the Remain campaign invoked the spirit of the Italian

Job to say that Brexit would be a car crash for British motoring

Did anyone tell them the film is all about a bunch of

plucky Brits getting one over the continentals?

Arrivederci to the spinmeister who thought that one

Some are beginning to wonder if the Remain campaigners stuck in

Meanwhile, first stop on this week's European tour was the

After weeks of zooming around the country in their campaign

buses, Nigel Farage and David Cameron

were flagged down by the

Both men may have thought they had gone

into this in these self-preservation society

I think, to make this country safer, we need to get back British

passports so we can check anybody else coming into this country.

I worry if we leave that we are going

to see our economy suffer because we are

going to lose access to the

absolutely vital market that we have.

do, the British thing to do, is to fight for

European Union and don't take the Nigel Farage

Mr Cameron hopes to depict all leavers as part of Nigel Farage's

merry caper, but at PMQs, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn threw a spanner

The Labour position is that we want to stay in

the European Union to improve workers' rights, tackle

exploitation, drive down tax evasion and avoidance.

But we are concerned that these issues are not the

priorities of members of his Government

and his party, such as

the member for Uxbridge, the member for Surrey

And here I am trying to be consensual.

I could mention that the honourable member for Edgbaston was out

The SNP's chief mechanic, Angus Robertson, gave Mr Cameron a

Mr Speaker, European corporation emerged from

both World Wars as the best way to secure peace.

So does the Prime Minister agree that we should never

take peace and security for granted, and that is a strong reason to

I want to be clear about this because the

words World War III have never passed my lips.

But can we really take for granted...

Time now for a diversion across the pond, where

Hillary Clinton finally claimed the chequered flag as the Democrat

The first time in our nation's history that a

woman will be a major party's nominee.

I spoke briefly to Secretary Clinton on Tuesday night,

and I congratulated her on her very strong campaign.

I look forward to meeting with her in the near future to see

how we can work together to defeat Donald Trump and to create

a government which represents all of us, and not just the 1%.

In British politics, we are accustomed to the

In tonight's debate, for instance, there are five

women and only one man, and he's blonde.

I am massively pro-immigration, the descendant of

But there has to be democratic consent for the

There isn't a silver bullet and I know

that is what Boris and his team would like, but you need

I fear the only number Boris is interested in is the one

Nearly home, and then the fun really starts.

Politics, as ever, is about the self-preservation

Quentin Letts there, truly no expense spared.

And I'm joined in the studio by two very special guests,

filmmaker Michael Moore and TV host with the most Jerry Springer.

Is the political mainstream now under threat on both sides of the

Atlantic? Times are tough, and when times are tough the way we have it

set up, people tend to go to the extremes, at least those who are

most vocal. There are people upset with the establishment, so it is not

surprising that you would have that in both parties. But come November

it is going to be a pretty clear choice. The choice is, I would say,

that there has never been anyone running for president of the alert

state who is as well prepared and knowledgeable to be president who

has not already been president as Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump

appears to the anger people have, but totally unqualified to be

president. The reason I ask, Michael, it has been an

unprecedented armoury season, not just because Donald Trump won the

Republican nomination, but this run that Bernie Sanders has given

Hillary Clinton for her money. Nobody saw that coming. If the

mainstream under threat? The mainstream, the old mainstream, is

no longer the mainstream, there is a new mainstream. It is being run by

young people. In the United States a socialist tonight has 46% of the

pledge delegates to the Democratic convention, has won 22 states,

almost half of them. From the Mont! This is historic. But it is because

young people have been the engine. It is a new time, it is their time.

The 18 to 40-year-olds, this is their election. Will they swing

behind Hillary Clinton? I think so. 80% of the people voting in November

are either women, people of colour or young adults between 18 and 35,

that is 80% of the voters. Who in that group is going to vote for

Donald Trump? He has completely offended those groups. We have had

plenty of people on this over telling us he would never get close

to the Republican nomination. He was running in eight Republican primary.

When you look at a Republican universe in America,... I

understand. He was still not supposed to get it. He got the

nomination, and I believe he can win in November. I wanted to an

impersonation of myself at 25. This is what I sounded like. There is no

way an actor is going to be president of the United States, and

the actor whose co-star was a chimpanzee, no way would that

happen! Now, there is no way George W Bush is going to get elected, that

is not going to happen. I have learned my lesson. He can get

elected. All he has to do is win the traditional red states, from Idaho

and Utah to Georgia. When does and then win the Ross belt. If he gets

Michigan, higher, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin...

I want to broaden it out from American psephology. If Leaver wins

on June 23, will it not have been propelled to victory by similar

forces to those behind Trump and samplers? -- Sandham. It would be

unusual for it to be decided on the referendum question put before the

people. People decide on whatever they want. How they feel at the

time. That is why it is dangerous for a government call a referendum

because a government is unpopular a year into office. A lot of people

will have complaints about the government. Cameron is relying on

Labour voters, Scottish National Party is, to secure victory for him.

For those reasons, it is precarious. I think that tactically, Remain has

made mistakes. They fired their bullets to early. They have arrived

at a situation where people think most of what they say is exaggerated

and unbelievable. And they certainly now believe the establishment is not

to be trusted so I am agreeing with the point you made before. Whether

that leads to leave winning, I don't know. In both countries, there are

huge swathes of people who feel left out and left behind. This has been

happening over probably ten years or more. People on ordinary incomes

have not seen any of the benefits of growth. It has gone to if you are

the top, it does not seem fair. If, as I hope, we vote to remain in

Europe, those issues will not have gone away. We cannot thing, we have

won the referendum, let's move onto something else. We need a change in

the way the economy works. I would argue there is even greater pressure

on Labour to do that because we are seeing that in our traditional

heartlands. A lot of ordinary people have lost out. The 2008 credit crash

still rankles with people, they are still feeling the fallout from that.

But in many parts of the world, the right is doing just as well,

capitalising on that, more than the left. Why? First of all, what we

share in common with your Brexit vote and Trump in our country is the

rise of nationalism. Manipulating people with the fear of the other,

the immigrant, the Mexican, the Muslim, whatever it is. And this is

a scary time for both countries because this is kind of a 21st

century crypto fascism that is starting to boil up. There is an

extra factor in the United States, which made Trump inevitable. For the

last 40 years in America, ever since Reagan said government cannot solve

problems, government is the problem, we have raised at least two

generations of Americans to believe government is horrible, Washington

is totally corrupt, they do not expect the President, eight

Washington. So every commercial that you see in America, the television

commercial says the other guy is a balm, should be in jail, a pervert,

whatever. After 40 years of that, we cannot be surprised that someone

ultimately rises in politics to be anti-government. And it is going to

be someone, you have to be well-known, so the only two fields

in America where you can be well-known, other than politics, is

sports or entertainment. Athletes are too young, so we should have

seen that at some point an entertainer, and I am not talking

about Reagan, because at least he was a governor before and had a

political philosophy. It has partly in a way been a

problem, obviously the right often attacks collective government, but

the left has not done enough to reform and defend it. That is true,

but anything the government touches, there is a right wing in America

that has just built up this feeling that anything Washington does is

horrible. Your point on migration. In this country, since the 1960s it

has been almost impossible to discuss migration. It has been

taboo. People have got more and more fed up with that fact. They do not

feel anybody is prepared to discuss what matters to them most. During

the referendum campaign, whenever the question of migration is raised,

the Remain campaigners say, let's talk about the economy. I feel these

people who feel they have been ignored for 50 years on this subject

feel the referendum is an arch example of how people refuse to take

what concerns them seriously. If you were to say what you have just said,

this is crypto fascism, it is not crypto fascism, it is people being

worried about jobs, housing and schooling. You think that is why

people are behind Donald Trump? Have you watched the rallies and listened

to him? This is scary, what this man is saying. It is outright racism and

it has to be called out for what it is. He is really talking about the

referendum. I know that. It is two different things. As outsiders, it

is up to you if you want to stay in Europe, but it looks bonkers to us.

Why would Britain want to leave Europe? Can I come back... It is

good to have another American intervention, although the one from

the President, we are not sure if it was helpful or unhelpful. One has to

explain to an American why we would want to be independent. That is a

sad evening. Independent? For all of this talk about insurgence, and

there are huge insurgence on the left and right on both sides of the

land tick, and the mainstream is under huge threat. So far, the

mainstream is holding. -- the Atlantic. Mrs Clinton won the

nomination, not Bernie Sanders. She is favourite to win. Remain is still

favourite among the bookies to stay there. The hard right man did not

win the presidency in Austria. Marine Le Pen will probably come

first in the first round of the French ballot but will not win in

the second. The mainstream is holding on by its fingertips. It

might be too much of a cliche to just use the one term, the

establishment, the mainstream, and then throw all these well-known

candidates in. Clearly, you could look at Hillary Clinton and say,

maybe she is too close to the financial institutions, she has been

in politics a long time. Incorrectly, wrongly, clearly, she

has admitted that. On issues like health, children and education, no

one seriously believes that if she became President she would be far

cutting back on all that stuff. My question was just about the

mainstream, not a party political broadcast. The mainstream is

holding. We are running out of time to talk about your documentary. I

thought that might change your mind. I don't want to talk about my movie.

Behaviour solves or we will send you back to the colonies.

Now, we like to think we're rather continental here on This Week,

and that's why we've made sure our working conditions

Short hours and astronomical pay, long lazy holidays and

No discrimination or bullying in the workplace, no compulsory

sexual harassment of anyone except Michael Portillo,

yes, we are truly living the Social Charter dream!

And that's why Michael and Jerry are sticking with us,

and we're putting progressive Europe in this week's Spotlight.

New movie, Where To Invade Next, sees the Oscar-winning American

documentary maker travel to Europe to plunder some of its most

I have invaded your country, essentially, to take

this incredible idea that all college should

His films, Fahrenheit 911 and Bowling For Columbine put the

This time, Moore's looking further afield, asking whether the

States would benefit from pinching Slovenia's higher education policy,

or Finland's child-centred schooling system.

School is about finding your happiness.

Seven weeks of paid leave but still in the world's top 15 most

Has Italy got its work-life balance right?

Do you mind paying your employees for all this time off?

Or maybe we should copy Iceland, where the only bank that

survived the financial crash was run by women.

We have a gender quota for the biggest companies.

You mean the company's board of directors?

So you have to be either 40%, at least 40% women or 40% men.

But among his invasions, Moore avoids the UK.

So how does that reflect on us and what

lessons can we learn about the good life from our continental cousins?

If you were only allowed to take back one European idea, what would

it be? It would not be a specific thing like paid maternity leave, or

paid vacation, which we don't have. What I would take back is your

general belief in the concept of we. New structure the policy around we.

You are constantly in this attitude of being in the same boat, we sink

or swim together. You have political differences by your basic public

policies are not individual. Our policies are surrounded by the

concept of me. Me, myself and I. If you get sick, you take care of it, I

get sick, I will take care of it. The right way is the traditional

European way, since World War II. To take care of each other. We should

not send a 22-year-old into the world in debts and blue because they

wanted to go to university. In Europe, we keep 22-year-old is

unemployed. How come 50% of young Greeks are unemployed, 45% of young

Spaniards, 22% of young French, 40% of young Italians? That does not

sound very collective to me. You are concerned about that. Why would you

not be? You look at the larger picture. Germany has a higher

deployment rate. It doesn't. It is higher than the US. It is the lowest

youth unemployment rate in the Western world. Germany, France,

European countries traditionally have a higher and implement rate

than the United States. But the way you structure this is that while you

do not have a job, there is a safety net. And the safety net helps to

guarantee that people do not slip between the cracks and go crazy.

RUSI taken by European ideas as Michael? A lot of them. Every

civilisation in the world, except possibly North Korea which I do not

know a lot about, virtually every society, the United States, China,

Cuba, there is a continuum. Pure socialism here, pure capitalism

here, and everyone is somewhere on that. We say we are a capitalist

society but we have Medicare, which is socialism, and we love it. We

have Social Security. Talk about taking it away and people go crazy.

We are a combination of both, as are all societies. The discussion is, we

could probably move a little more down the continuum towards

togetherness, so we are not exclusively individual. I do not

think we are completely capitalist, I think we are a combination, as

every society is. Is Michael Wright to be as enamoured of European

social democracy as he is? I am fairly enamoured by myself and I'm

interested in what different countries do. Having toured Europe a

lot, I think it is difficult to translate ideas and customs from one

place to another. They arise from national circumstances and history.

Although we can admire those ideas, it is very difficult to transplant.

Here is the rub. Michael is talking essentially about European Social

Democrats ideas. European social democratic parties have never been

in more trouble since the end of the Second World War. Absolutely.

Including the Labour Party. Indeed, and the lack of confidence that

afflicts social Democrat parties across Europe when faced with these

huge changes in the economy and how they are going to deal with it. You

are right, you cannot simply transfer one policy idea from one

country to another. But actually opening your eyes and your minds to

the fact that possibly things could be different gives you hope and

optimism against all of the naysayers and doom and gloom which

tells you nothing can change, so I think it is good to learn from other

countries. What else did you learn? I went to pick the flowers, not the

weeds. You say they have high unemployment. That is like saying,

let's say you made a documentary about the United States and you

wanted to show how great Silicon Valley is, Americans are great

inventors. Apple, Google and all this. And you showed it on the BBC

and some presenter said, why didn't you point out that there is a mass

shooting in the US every day, at least one. That is because it has

nothing to do with the fact that they have Apple and Google and they

are great inventors. Countries have both things. In America, the little

we hear about Europe is always negative, always bad, always how

things run rotten. The Italians are in government number 525 since World

War II. I want to show that Italians have seven weeks off, with pay. It

is out tomorrow night in 125 cinemas. And it will be beamed live

to 125 cinemas. Can I bring my senior citizen card? That sounds a

little socialist to me. Thank you both for being with us.

But not for us, because it's Top Gear night at Lulu's,

But we leave you tonight with news that M has bowed to pressure

and banned all piped music from its stores.

Apparently people find Muzak really, really annoying.

Nighty night, don't let Herb Alpert And The Tijuana Brass