21/07/2016 This Week

Tonight, This Week, the final frontier, before summer.

Our mission, to explore strange new politics never explored before.

And I've left Lieutenant Mair in charge of the bridge.

Thanks, captain, everything here is under control.

I'm told they want to put a Romulan in charge.

Lieutenant, the peasants of planet Earth are suddenly revolting

against the centre ground, and this Romulan, who calls himself Trump,

Can we save civilisation as we've known it?

We're going to beam a couple of crew members into the engine room

This week, Labour's rebels tried to phaser Jeremy Corbyn,

but the party's leader is determined to cling on.

The engines will nae take it, captain.

And Jean Michel Jarre goes boldly where no man has gone before.

I'm looking for signs of intelligent life on this Week. Beam me up,

Eddie. It's written into the BBC Charter

that This Week must at all times be presented by a boorish,

grumpy red-faced Scotsman. London this week was 35 and sunny,

just like Liz Kendall. In the Commons chamber,

it was even hotter for some Conservative members,

trembling excitedly at the announcement from vicar's

daughter Theresa May that she would, if you asked her nicely,

be willing to send hundreds of thousands of innocent men,

women and children to meet The Prime Minister insisted

that those hundreds of thousands were not a target,

but an aspiration, just like cutting the migration figures,

eliminating the deficit, and the rest of last

year's election manifesto. Jeremy Corbyn was clear

that he would never press the button if he became Prime Minister and 80%

of his Parliamentary party hoped that catastrophe

would never come to pass. Speaking of total armageddon, I'm

joined on the sofa tonight by two Think of them as the Turkish Purge

and the Turkish Bath of late I speak, of course, of #fourpercent

Liz 'miserables' Kendall. And #sadmanonatrain Michael

'choo choo' Portillo. I've been on this show for 14 years

and my moment of the 14 years is Brexit. It is a fundamental change.

On the 23rd of June we had a Conservative government whose policy

was to be in the EU and now we have a Conservative government with very

different personnel whose policy is to be outside the European Union.

That seems a more significant change than from John Major to Tony Blair,

from one party to another, and a change whose consequences we do not

yet appreciate. No competition for the moment of her last year. I

wouldn't disagree. It would be a huge change for the country, not in

the way that some predicted, that they would be an immediate

Armageddon facing the country, but I think we will see over many years

big changes in the kind of country we are and the kind of economy we

have. But I have another moment of the year that, for me, has been

building over the last 12 months and has commentated in the really

depressing and disturbing news tonight that Angela Eagle has been

advised by her local police not to run her constituency surgeries

because of her own safety. I think the anger, aggression, threats and

abuse that have been growing in our politics and in particular in my

party are a disgrace and something I never thought I would see. Lots to

talk about throughout the programme. Now, before we go any further,

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for any ice cold Blue Nun You're probably wondering

where Andrew is, and I certainly was when I got the call to come

here one hour ago. Apparently Angela Eagle dropped

out at the last minute. What could have enticed Andrew out

of this chair for a night and how on earth did the BBC afford

the wild horses to do it? Andrew is Stateside,

soaking up the atmosphere and political implications

of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland,

and wondering about the parallels between politics there

and politics here. Stand by for This Week's favourite

cub reporter from Paisley, Andrew Neil with his

New York High-Line take of the week. MUSIC: Summertime by

Miles Davis was a provincial peasants' revolt

that surprised the It's yet to recover

from what happened. It's currently in a curious

combination of despair and denial. But the forces that caused that

are now threatening to upend Donald Trump was widely regarded

as a joke candidate, Yet tonight, he is being crowned

in Cleveland, leaving the Republican Party establishment

bruised, battered and For some of the party bigwigs,

it's so painful that they can't even On both sides of the Atlantic,

on the centre-left and the centre-right,

mainstream politics are in trouble. Those who didn't do well

out of globalisation, whose living standards have been

squeezed, who felt belittled or ignored when they complained that

open-door immigration was putting too much pressure

on their public services, who fear that their children

won't have even the limited They are rising up

against the powers that be In Britain, it gave us Leave,

in America, Trump, who is now running neck and neck

with Hillary Clinton I suspect that some voters aren't

even sure if they've done the right thing,

but the chance to cut down to size a remote, metropolitan,

powerful political elite was just For the traditional right,

this is a problem. The Republican Party gathered

in Cleveland is no longer the party of the country club,

of Wall Street, of big business, or even the affluent suburbs,

no longer the party It is much more populist,

more nativist, more protectionist, more bitter, more blue-collar

than they could ever have imagined. Theresa May had to nod in that

direction as she entered Downing And across Europe, the centre-right

is reeling from an onslaught But for the social democratic

left, this is a crisis. Almost everywhere, it's under attack

from the left and the right. The Democrats here in America,

Labour in Britain, they still get the votes of the metropolis,

the ethnic vote, the votes even of some of the affluent,

especially the public But what chance social democracy

if you've lost, perhaps forever, the votes of the working class,

especially the white working Andrew joins us from

the High Line to the low line We will come to you in a second,

Andrew. You two, he can't hear us at the moment, so what did you think of

his political analysis? A little predictable, perhaps. I thought he

was spot on. What we are seeing in America, as in the UK with the

Brexit vote, but right across Europe, is long-standing deep-rooted

anger that the country and the economy isn't working for people.

People's wages had stagnated before the crash. And since the crash, the

recovery hasn't worked for middle-class Americans, or as we

call them here, ordinary working people. People are angry, they feel

ignored and they are going for it streams, whether left or right. That

is what we are seeing in the States and here, too. Trump has been

extraordinarily misogynistic, anti-Hispanic, anti-black,

anti-Muslims. Which leads me to one of two conclusions. Either he cannot

possibly win, because although the working classes quite large, he is

basically appealing to angry white men, and they do not constitute a

majority. Or if he is going to win, it is extraordinary because he has

gone out of his way to offend not minorities but in the case of women

majorities of the population. Andrew, I will let you respond to

the assessment of your film and then let me know what you think of

Michael's assessment of Trump's chances. I will go straight to the

second point. It is certainly true that Donald Trump requires a massive

turnout of white voters. That is really what he is pinning it on. He

knows Hillary Clinton will get the black vote, 90% of it. He has 80%

disapproval rate among Hispanics. He is not that popular among women but

neither is Hillary Clinton. He has two things going for him. One is

that in the non-white population there is usually a smaller turnout,

and secondly, Hillary Clinton, the epitome of the establishment, of the

kind of forces that people want to bring down, is almost as unpopular

as he is. Liz and Michael, what sort of society do you think would

satisfy those people on both sides of the Atlantic who are fed up with

the establishment, feel let down and excluded? Sometimes we

overcomplicate politics. For all the differences, and there are real

differences, most people want the same thing, a good job that pays a

decent wage, home to call their own, a good school for their kids, to

know they will have something to look forward to when they retire,

and real beaded ship would be showing how we can make a globalised

economy work to deliver those things that everybody. -- real leadership.

That is the challenge, whether left or right. We have assumed capitalism

and democracy go hand-in-hand because during the Cold War

capitalism was on the side of democracy against planned economies.

That capitalism and democracy are different. Democracy is about

equality and capitalism is about inequality. The partnership works

well when living standards are rising and as long as inequality is

not too extreme. In the last 20 years, particularly in the US, these

things have broken down. Living standards for many have not risen

and the inequalities have become barbaric, and the establishment has

not been able to do anything about either of these factors. Andrew,

when it comes to the two candidates Americans will choose between, who

is more establishment? They are both establishment in their own way.

Donald Trump is the son of a millionaire. But the country is

revolting against the political establishment and in that regard,

Donald Trump as an outsider -- outsider. He has no track record to

defend all be embarrassed by. You could not get a more consummate

political insider than the former wife of the governor of or --

Arkansas, the former first lady, the former Secretary of State, former

senator for New York State, someone who is seen to be very close to Wall

Street. I will give an example of what happened in Cleveland. Last

night, Senator Ted Cruz refused to endorse Mr Trump. His wife had to be

given security to go out, as Republicans shouted at her because

she used to work there, Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs

is as unpopular with the Republican convention as it would be at a

Corbynista Labour Party convention. Is the choice gate to come down to

the candidate they dislike least? Yes, I think that's almost certainly

true. The people will not necessarily vote for Trump. They are

having to bite their bottom lip and go with it. They are not that

enthusiastic. They have launched this incredibly brutal attack on

Hillary Clinton and they want people to vote against her. In the same way

as you will see next week in Philadelphia, the democratic message

will not so much be to boost Mrs Clinton, though they'll do that, it

will be to say for Gods sake we cannot have this man Trump President

of our country. It will be I think the most negative campaign in

presidential living memory. What do you Loch think a Trump win would

mean? It would mean withdrawing support internationally, a retro

grade step on free trade. Would America be great again? I don't

believe that, because the truth is, how you wield power and influence in

a world that's more connected than ever before is by working with

others. The problem I think, as we have been talking about, is that we

have not found a way to show that a globalised economy can deliver for

most people. And this, you know, Andrew talked about the anger about

Goldman Sachs and also the state and Government generally and I think

unless business, as well as government, wakes up to that and

changes what it does so that we narrow these inequalities, this

anger will simply continue. I don't necessarily disagree with everything

Liz says but to play devil's advocate. The United States would

become much more unpredictable with trump. That might have interesting

consequences, more unpredictable for Putin and Assad for example and

Isis. At the moment, because of the post-Iraq trauma because of the

Obama presidency, all those can assume America's not played any part

in the world stage. Trump might advisedly or ill-advisedly become

involved in some of that. It certainly introduces a level of

unpredictability and it's what quite a lot of Americans are looking for.

An true, is it your expectation that Trump can give a speech that might

surprise eeven the sceptics? I have an exclusive embargo of his speech.

It's blank. But let me move on. LAUGHTER.

Michael is a little devil, but not the way he thinks. It will be a

surprise to Putin because a Trump America would probably become Mr

Putin's biggest allie, a Trump America would do very little about

Mr Assad so they'd both be happy which makes you think. At the

moment, because of the momentum, because this speech tonight you know

could be watched by over 40 million people, more than watched Barack

Obama when he got chosen for the democratic candidate in 200. The

momentum is with him this week, it always is in the convention. I

expect him to be ahead in the polls by the weekend, but Hillary Clinton

will start to pull that back next week at the convention. None of it

matters at the moment or even through the summer. It matters at

the beginning of September when the real campaign begins. One thing is

for sure, none of us would have said even six months ago, this is going

to be a race, Mrs Clinton is favourite, but nobody has this race

in the bag. Andrew, thank you.

It's late - so late you begin to imagine what Liam,

David and Boris are doing right now in their flat in Chevening.

You can banish that image from your mind because waiting in the wings,

we can hardly believe it, pioneering music legend,

Jean-Michel Jarre is in the studio and looking forward to talking

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It may look like it's all about silly props and cheap laughs,

But this is your one stop pre-holiday shop to find out

what politicians have been up to before their summer break.

Theresa May went nuclear, so did the Labour leadership contest.

So strap yourself in for Kevin Maguire and John Pienaar

on a final scramble for a story before the holidays.

Their Planes, Trains and Submarines round up of the political week.

PHONE RINGS. John, Kevin, just checking you're

managing without me. Hi, Andrew, yes, we'll be all right. Hello,

Andrew. Yes, calm down, we have got a lot to get through. Trident vote,

Labour Party in meltdown, Theresa May's first PMQs. Who knows what

else might have happened. OK, look, I've got to go, the private jet's

waiting to take me to Mystique. Michael Gove is going to help you

with the scripting tonight, guys. Hello? Hello? I think they've hung

up. Let's go to Lanzarote before

something else happens. Yes, like Labour getting its act together.

Slow down. All the time in the world. I want to say to all members

of the Labour Party tonight, young and old, long-standing new members,

I can be their champion, I'm just as radical as Jeremy Corbyn. So they

had their hustings, Angela Eagle, Owen Smith, and then there was

one... Taxi. Owen Smith, the unity candidate. Corbyn will be hard to

beat but can the unity candidate unite the party? Do we know where we

are going. I've got a few bob. Step aside boys, taxi for Corbyn.

Take a left. A hard left. I suppose after that, we'd better

let the train take the strain. This party is going places, this party is

strong, this part aye is capable of winning a general election and if

I'm leader of that party, I will be that Prime Minister.

It's going to be a long, hot summer for Labour's troublesome candidates.

Not just them. The new Foreign Secretary's discovered he has a

packed schedule, starting in Europe. Very, very good to be here for my

first overseas trip and clearly the message I'll be taking to our

friends in the council is that we have to give effect to the will of

the people and leave the European Union, but that means we are leaving

Europe. Perhaps Boris should stay a staycation with the others. Excuse

me. I'm trying to have a look. That might be a 375 electrical unit. Choo

choo! Boris Johnson's got a lot of bridges

to build, not just in Europe. Is there anywhere he hasn't offended?

Cuts down your holiday options. What about Papua New Guinea. Brilliant.

Hang on a minute, 2006, he called them cannibals. America? This man is

a very smart and capable man. That's Boris Johnson. I've met him. That's

the Boris Johnson that I intend to work with and we intend to make good

things happen together. Thank you. Part of the diplomacy. It's going

well, John, thank you very much. It was almost as if he could hear

Boris thinking, this is real, isn't it? ! If anyone can surprise you,

it's Boris. I spent a month during the leadership election going around

the country and he threw in the towel. I could have spent the whole

time in a room with Theresa May, but Boris's name is going to open doors.

Maybe trap doors. Excuse me, is this all stations to Brexit and, if so,

can you tell me where I get off? Lanzarote here we come. Hang on a

minute, this doesn't look right. Come on, what do you think? I got it

on eBay. Bargain, ?40 billion. It's a bit cosy. It's fine. Fine.

Little bit dated OK. Theresa May, she won her vote on Trident renewal

by a big margin. A few on the other side were surprised. Is she

personally prepared to organise a nuclear strike that could kill

100,000 innocent men, women and children? Yes.

And I have to say to the honourable gentleman, the whole point of a

deterrent is that our enemies need to know that we would be prepared to

use it. Yes. Was this really about renewing

Trident or a pretemptive strike on an already listing Labour Party? The

vote felt less the hunt for red October and more the race for red

September. Take that hat off. The Bolsheviks out number you. Prime

Minister May's first Question Time, Jeremy Corbyn welcomed her but then

tried to launch a counter strike. Sh, I'm picking something up on

sonar. It's a sense of humour. I suspect there are many members on

the opposition benches who might be familiar with an unscrupulous boss.

A boss who doesn't listen to his workers. A boss who requires some of

his workers to double their workload. A boss maybe even who

exploits the rules to further his own career. Remind him of anybody? !

So, we are picking up a submarine. It looks like it's trying to defect

to Berlin. Good grief. That's in Europe. We can't let that happen.

After all, Brexit means Brexit, says Admiral May. At least that's what

she told Angela Merkel. Charges away. I've been clear that Brexit

means Brexit and the United Kingdom is going to make a success of it.

But I also want to be clear here today and across Europe in the weeks

ahead, that we are not walking away from our European friends. Britain

will remain an outward looking country and Germany will remain a

vital partner. Cosy. Looking forward to this holiday. Mind you, I'm

already looking forward to the autumn. A woman in Downing Street,

the Labour Party all oaf the place. Feel quite young again! We could

have a President Trump in the White House. Look what I've found? It's

the Prime Minister's letter of last resort. What does it say? Call

Boris. Destroy it, quickly. With thanks to the Chatham Historic

Dockyard for letting us And now we're joined in the studio

by an ambitious young man who many people are calling

'The New Nicola Sturgeon' though curiously not

the existing Nicola Sturgeon, SNP superstar, and

future First Minister Thank you. You wrote that exactly as

I wanted it. Do you want to be First Minister? No. That's never going to

happen then. I want to talk about Labour first. You surprise me. It's

going to be Jeremy Corbyn or Owen Smith but not you. Are you OK with

that? Yes, totally. Jeremy Corbyn launched his bid today, his

five-point plan to tackle inequality, neglect, insecurity,

prejudice, discrimination and innumeracy. Do you disagree with any

of that, you couldn't could you? Look, both Owen and Jeremy will set

their case forward but look, I think that we are facing this terrible

paradox in the Labour Party at the moment where there's this ennews

yassic movement behind Jeremy and it appears that his ratings are going

up against existing members. Yet when you ask the public, you get the

exact opposite and we really are now at decision time at the Labour

Party. Even when asked about elections, Jeremy Corbyn says he

wins them? We did badly at the last local council elections and if you

look at the pole ratings and Jeremy's ratings with the public, we

are doing very bad and we have to make a decision here. Do we believe

our mission is to be a party of Government to put our principles

into practice and change people's lives or do we want to protest on

the sidelines? I think Owen's made a powerful case that we must always be

for the latter and that's why he has my full support in this contest. In

the five goals, can you disagree with them as an aim for Labour? I

want to see us tackle inequality and all of the issues that have been set

out but I do not believe that Jeremy has the leadership qualities or

right policies to do that. I think that we saw the head of

momentum say in a tweet that, winning was just something that the

elite wanted to keep power for themselves. No, we want to win, so

that we can change people's lives. That is the big decision facing the

Labour Party and Owen is absolutely passionate that we are there to

change people's lives and not just protest on the sidelines and I very

much agree. What do you think of Owen Smith?

Something that has puzzled me about him is that he seems to have made

quite a business of wanting to rerun the referendum, or to have it

verified by an election, whereas as I understand it in Wales the

majority of Labour voters voted to leave, in the north-east, where

there are many Labour voters, the majority voted to leave. So I am

puzzled that he should try and take that stance. Maybe he is looking for

a vote in Scotland. I don't think Labour have a chance of recovering

in Scotland in the near term, between now and the next election.

They have to write it off in the next election. Lives? I don't think

we would ever write off Scotland. You might not say it, but is it the

reality? I don't believe that is the case. We need to rebuild everywhere

to provide effective opposition to the government. Which candidate

would you prefer to win the lead -- the Labour leadership election? I

don't have a dog in the fight. I have to say, if I was a young Labour

voter in England and I wanted a new politics and I joined the Labour

Party to support Jeremy Corbyn and just to get involved in politics, I

would find the behaviour of a lot of the Labour backbenchers utterly

frustrating. Because as soon as Jeremy Corbyn was elected, I sat and

watched it, they treated him with a visceral hatred, from the word go.

Liz Kendall shaking her hand but I watched, I hear the comments and I

sit and listen to what they say. Even at the start of Question Time,

when the leaders come out they get a cheer from their side. He never got

a cheer from his side, even after he was just elected. I think they've

acted very badly and I think surely there has to be some sort of respect

for the duly elected leader of a party with such a huge mandate.

There was respect. Many people decided to serve in the Shadow

Cabinet and bust a gut to make it work. I did not see much evidence of

that. People were really torn when they decided to resign. Why did they

treat him so disrespectfully? A simple thing, why did they not cheer

when he walked out to ask the Prime Minister questions? You have a short

memory. People did support him early on. I think his failure of

leadership was why many people, from Angela Eagle to Owen Smith and many

others... I have a good memory and I remember how he was treated. There

is a small group of people who join the Labour Party, completely

unrepresentative of Labour voters, of the British population, but

Jeremy Corbyn calls this a democracy. There are all sorts of

people in the United Kingdom today who are fearing that this calamitous

choice as Labour leader, I call him a calamitous and I think that is a

proper expression for someone who does not marred 80% of the support

of his parliamentary party, there is a fear that this calamitous choice

could become Prime Minister, selected by this tiny group of

Momentum inspired, self appointed, unrepresentative people. The same

criticism could be made of the Conservative Party and I accept

that. We need a situation where parliamentarians choose the leader.

Michael raises an important point. I just want to turn attention to the

new Prime Minister and her performance at Prime Minister's

Questions. Was she Margaret Thatcher- light? She didn't even

appear to be particularly liked on this occasion. I last new Theresa

May 15 years ago and have been amazed at how she has developed. To

perform like that in your first Prime Minister's Questions is

commendable. I do not know whether she will be able to sustain it. The

humour was excellent, the timing was good. Did you see echoes of

Thatcher? Of course. That was deliberate. She wanted that

headline, the way she lent forward and lowered her voice when she

delivered the gag. But she pulled it off extremely well. Just now they

had a joke about detecting a sense of humour with sonar. That was what

made it so amazing. Nothing had made us think she was capable of that

performance. She nailed the joke perfectly. I was watching her as she

delivered it and she had the Thatcher voice down pat as well, the

lowering of the voice and the very, very severe stare that she did at

the end as well. It was a very impressive first performance. That

is two Fach impressions from the boys. You are not getting one from

me. -- facture impressions. I think the interesting thing about what

Theresa May has said so far is this explicit pitch at the centre ground.

Her cabinet, I think, is very much to the right, but her language,

about an economy that works for everyone, straight out of our last

manifesto and speeches by Ed Miliband. The question is, in a

post-Brexit Britain, with all the challenges we have, are the Tories

going to go down a low tax, deregulated, small state vision of

Britain in order to succeed now we are no longer in Europe, in which

case that will not deliver for ordinary people, or is she going to

be able to put those words into practice? I don't believe she will

be able to do that but I thought it was interesting that that is where

she has pitched her stall. I know you disagree with her policy on

Trident, but were you impressed that she backed it up by saying she would

press the button? I find it chilling that she said she would press the

button. I think it is unprecedented for a Prime Minister in the Commons

to give that direct answer. It was honest. They are always ambiguous

about this, leaving wriggle room. The debate on Trident was very poor.

I sat for seven hours and basically five arguments were used on each

side, backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards. No one

changed their mind in the course of the debate. The House of Commons is

enormously self congratulatory. Often you get to the end of the day

and it will be an amazingly boring debate and a succession of MPs will

stand up and say, I think we have had a simply splendid debate. You

think, were we in the same room? That was beyond dull. It was not a

good debate, entirely predictable. But I have to pay credit to one Tory

MP, the chair of the foreign affairs select committee, Crispin Blunt, who

was the solitary Tory in the lobby against Trident. By the way, you

were terrific, just terrific. And I don't mean that in a House of

Commons way! This Week has always been

the programme that knows what tomorrow brings because,

well, it's always tomorrow The team here are not afraid

of the future, though I think they are afraid of Andrew,

judging by the grafitti For many people, though,

the future is disturbing. We've decided to predict what comes

next, and put Tomorrow's World My question is, does our possession

of nuclear weapons make us more secure and make

the world more secure? The decision on whether to renew our

nuclear deterrent hinges not just on the threats we face today,

but also on an assessment of what the world will be

like over the coming decades. One thing they could

agree on was that nobody In the end, the Commons

voted to renew Trident. But who can guess whether it's

a nuclear war that we need insure In a week when attackers in France

and Germany used far less sophisticated weapons to terrorise,

are the threats we face now more But in an age of technological

innovation, surely the future has never looked

brighter for youngsters. Not according to the Resolution

Foundation think tank, who said this week that

despite the perks they enjoy, millennials could become the first

generation to earn less Breaking boundaries,

Jean Michel Jarre has always embraced the future

with his pioneering brand of electronic music,

but his new album now questions our So is even he sounding a note

of caution about what And we are incredibly excited to be

joined by the pioneering electronic musician,

Jean Michel Jarre. Thank you. Excited about the future

or a bit scared? When I started as a young musician, we have this kind of

greed and optimistic vision for the future. We were all thinking that

after 2001, cars would fly, Europe would be united. We have been

slightly disappointed. Maybe after the year 2000, we lost this

appetite, this hope for the future. In a sense, we have two reinvent the

future. It is a bit like the end of the 20th century was the beginning

of an era, with lots of hope. The beginning of the 21st-century would

be like the end of something, that we have two reinvent ourselves,

politically, socially and probably artistically as well. How much of

that is to do with world events, and how much to do with getting older? I

think it is duty the idea that, the fact that suddenly technology went

so fast. We have an ambiguous relationship with modern technology.

On the one side, the world in our pockets through our smartphones. On

the other side, we feel spied on by the outside world. So we have an

anxiety for tomorrow. Tell me about your collaboration with Edward

Snowden. My last album, one of the recurring themes of this project is

our relationship with technology. I was recording this project, and I

had been really moved by this young man. And he made me think, in a

strange way, of my mum. My mum was a great figure in the French

resistance, went into the French resistance in 1941. She always told

me at that time that lots of French people don't want to remember. Lots

of people were considering resistance as troublemakers, even

traitors, because they work questioning the place. The United

States has been founded on an act of resistance but it was considered by

the King at that moment as an act of treason. We were all thinking about

what is going on with Donald Trump on one side of the ocean and Marine

Le Pen on the other side, where lots of young people are rejecting the

power in place because of, they don't believe in politics any more.

I think when you meet a young individual like Edward Snowden,

questioning the power in place, trying to tell the truth, and

questioning the power in place to improve his country, I think it's an

interesting reference. So I went to Moscow to work with him. He is not

an artist, not a musician, but it was interesting, in an artistic way,

not to promote his idea, but the kind of action. We need people like

him, I think, as a positive reference, even if he is quite

controversial. Thinking about the unity of Europe which may be

slipping further in terms of timetable, in 2001. We had Francois

Hollande meeting our new Prime Minister today and essentially

saying, hurry up, get out the door, leave the EU. What do you think of

that? Time will tell. I know there is lots of worries on both sides of

the channel and on both sides, but I think England has always been, as

you know better than myself, in an ambiguous relationship with the rest

of Europe. Since Elizabeth the first. England, you had a kind of

distance, a room at attitude towards the rest of Europe. At the end of

the day, it has not been that bad for the UK. Tell me about your

festival. I am very happy to tour with this new project. I am involved

in this collaboration with Edward Snowden. Not physically. But in the

next few hours I am doing a concert in Jodrell Bank in Manchester and

playing at arenas like the O2 Arena in London. And I am looking forward

to meeting the British audience. Whatever Brexit is on and off and

will exist, it is not going to be the case for me and musicians, as an

artist, obviously. Very good to see you.

Well, that's your lot for tonight, until This Week

But not for us, because it's the This Week end of term party

Apparently Andrew will be dancing on the big screen,

live, via satellite, from New York City.

Count your blessings you won't be there to see it.

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