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Power up. To Mike, as the all woman Ghostbusters film hits the big

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screen, no one should have two encounter our kind of supernatural

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politics. I think you can handle it. Haven't you heard, the ladies of the

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top dogs. Hang on, he's not a woman. No, but I am a feminist. Anyhow,

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what about Corbyn? They keep trying to kill him off and he seems

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immortal. Michael Rosen is pleased he is clinging to power. Labour

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right-wingers can fire anything they like a Jeremy Corbyn but he's not

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going anywhere and nor should he. We don't want mass hysteria. The Labour

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Party is so match oh. If only we had a female Prime Minister. Oh, yes, I

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remember the good old days. Keep up, Theresa is in charge. She's going to

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round up the right wing ghosts and put them somewhere safe, like the

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Cabinet! Women really are taking over the world. Do you feel

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emasculated? No, I feel liberated. Let's go. Cerys Matthews was

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therefore girl power and she thinks gender busting has been a long time

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coming. I ain't afraid of no ghost. I'm absolutely petrified of

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appearing on this programme. Who are you going to call? This Week. Hey,

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girls, what do you think of my kitten heels? Nice!

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And our new Prime Minister has asked me to make it immediately

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clear that when she wrote "F Off" next to Boris Johnson's name,

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she did not mean he should be put in charge of the Foreign Office,

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And when she put "P Off" next to David Davis' name she did not

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mean he should be put in charge of our negotiations to leave the EU.

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Mrs May has also asked me to point out, by way of mitigation,

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that she's new to the job and has not quite yet got the hang of it.

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But she promises to do better come the next reshuffle which,

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given some of the people she's appointed this time round,

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is likely to be sooner rather than later.

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However, she has clocked that the 80% of economists who confidently

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predicted last night that the Bank of England would cut interest rates

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this morning, which of course it didn't,

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are the same 80% of economists who confidently predicted that

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Brexit would be economic harikari for Britain.

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So she's decided to appoint Larry the Downing Street Cat

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Speaking of the feline frisky, I'm joined on the sofa tonight

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by two political risk-takers who would like to kiss

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Think of them as the Steve and the Crabb of late

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I speak, of course, of #manontheleft, Alan

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'AJ' Johnson, and #sadmanonatrain, Michael 'choo choo' Portillo.

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Michael, your moment of the week? Well, Peter Lilley, when David

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Cameron last appeared in the House of Commons as Prime Minister, said

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that he had given the finest performances at the dispatch box

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that he had ever seen a Prime Minister give. And this was a very

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significant comment because that embraced Gordon Brown, Tony Blair

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and Margaret Thatcher. Peter Lilley was an immense admirer of Margaret

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Thatcher. It did pull me up a bit to remember how easily David Cameron

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sat in the role of Prime Minister. He made an immense contribution to

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reform and modernisation of the Conservative Party. It heightens the

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sense of tragedy that because of the fatal misjudgement of calling a

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referendum, his premiership was cut short. 14 years ago, as a junior

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minister, housing by two to do the weekend interview with a journalist

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called Rachel Silverstone. It was for the Daily Telegraph, and the

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press office at the Department for Education advised me not to do it.

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They said Rachel Sylvester always does a good profile but always gets

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a front-page story out of it. I did it, and she did. It was not a huge

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front-page story. She is a good journalist and I have done several

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since. She probably changed the course of history. I think it Andrea

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Leadsom had gone out there, given the things that have happened with

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outsiders getting elected, she could well have won the ballot. It was

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that single interview with Rachel Sylvester which ended her leadership

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bid, and I think I certainly would not complain about Rachel, a good

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journalist, but she changed the course of history last weekend. It

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was a significant interview. As we were preparing to come on-air,

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news started to reach us of a major terrorist attack in Nice in the

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South of France. Nice is one of the major regional centres in France

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with a massive promenade that goes on for miles along the seafront, and

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it seems that a truck piled into the people who were on the promenade.

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Today is Bastille Day in France, and it means places like the promenade,

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on the front of Nice, are packed with people and families and

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children and so on. So it seems this was clearly planned, they knew what

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they were doing. The report says that the truck piled in and then

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stopped. This bit is unconfirmed, that the driver got out and started

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shooting at people around. There have been some terrible pictures

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coming in, more than we are able to show you at the moment. You can see

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the hotel in the distance, right at the heart of Nice on the promenade.

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Earlier, 20 minutes ago, reports suggested the death toll could be as

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high as 30. But in the past couple of minutes, French media, the French

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prefect in that part of France, a significant figure in the French

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administration, is now talking that perhaps as many as 60 have been

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killed, which makes it a major terrorist incident indeed. And we

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will try to keep across this. We have managed to track down Isabel

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Hardman of the Spectator and also contributor to this programme. She

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is in Nice. I'm delighted to say that she is safe. She has been

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monitoring the French media for us. What have you been learning from the

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French media? Well, the French media have reported that at least 73

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people are dead as a result of this attack which took place on the

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promenade, which is actually where I was five minutes before it happened,

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watching the fireworks for Bastille Day. It was packed because it is a

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national holiday in France. There were lots of families watching

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fireworks, having dinner, drinking, having a lovely time. Suddenly there

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were screams and people started running. I kept spotting people --

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stopping people and they said they did not know what was happening. I

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bumped into a family with a young child who took shelter, because

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police told us to stay indoors while they worked out what happened. We

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are now just watching the news, trying to work out what on earth has

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happened. We will leave it there. Thank you for joining us. Stay safe.

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We understand President Hollande, who was close to Lees today, on the

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way back to Paris when the news broke, has now moved to the

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situation room in the Interior Ministry, to monitor what is going

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on. We can see helicopters coming in on the promenade. It is such a flat

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place that it would be easy for the truck to mount the pavement. That is

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where the helicopters are landing, opposite the famous hotel. It could,

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therefore, do all the more damage. Isabel Hardman was saying that the

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death toll has now reached 73, with many more people injured. Clearly,

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another major French terrorist incident, following on Charlie Hebdo

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and the attacks in Paris in November. We will bring you more

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news on this developing situation as it takes place. A sad night for

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France and for all of us. No one has yet claimed responsibility but of

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course, attention always turns to Islamic State and Al-Qaeda.

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Now, bricks thrown through office windows, accusations of plots,

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coups and treacherous behaviour, hard-nosed members reduced to tears,

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It's the This Week summer recess party.

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Or Labour is having a leadership contest.

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Jezza told Call-Me-Dave this week that the party's latest spasm

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of democracy was "an exciting and splendid thing, and I'm enjoying

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That's certainly one way of looking at it.

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But Jezza has no intention of going anywhere, despite the almost total

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breakdown in relations between himself and the vast

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So should he go before the party destroys itself?

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Poet and author Michael Rosen doesn't think so.

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Climbing to the top of any political party is a slippery affair.

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And the ineffective plotting of the Blairite warlords of Labour

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Corbyn's opponents have tried to put every obstacle they can in his way.

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They said he wouldn't win the leadership, but he did.

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They said he wouldn't win the Oldham by-election,

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They said he wouldn't get through the NEC to get

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Corbyn, with his honest and principled politics,

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isn't just clinging to power, he is secure at the top.

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# To keep me from getting to you... #

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To keep those legitimate members who paid ?3 to support Corbyn

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from voting in this leadership race, well, it was a move that was decided

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500,000 people supported Jeremy's ascent and they are

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172 MPs who voted no confidence in him should remember that.

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Now, I'm not a Labour member, but a party uniting around a man

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who's fighting the upcoming cuts and sell-offs and the renewal

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The whole shambling coup is a mistake.

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Jeremy is the one fighting in defence of the needy and,

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as for that speech by PM May, she's not going to do it.

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Labour should be marking out a route to government, not blocking

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Jeremy Corbyn's way, should unite around the leader.

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That's the way to get votes from the Tories and Ukip.

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In-built into its history is a coming together and separating.

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If Corbyn stays, the right may head off into the sunset,

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but they lost my vote and many others over the Iraq war.

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Keep him at the top of the Labour Party

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And from scaling the heights of The Arch Climbing Wall

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in Bermondsey, to coming back down to earth with a bump on This Week,

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Welcome to the programme. Good evening. What makes you think Mr

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Corbyn could win a general election? He would need a 12% swing in England

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from the last election, which would require millions of Tories to vote

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for him. How is that going to happen? There are also millions who

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don't vote, aren't there? 25%, sometimes more like 30% who don't

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vote. We can't say necessarily who at the head of the Labour Party

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would necessarily win those millions. We know that during the

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Blair years, the Labour Party lost nearly 6 million votes from 1997 to

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the 2010 election. So to point the finger at Corbyn and say he

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couldn't, well, who else could? I think it's a mountain to climb for

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whoever is leader, but I would suggest it is a particularly high

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mountain when the leader of the Labour Party, his personal ratings

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are a stonking -41%. The SNP has shut you out of Scotland, Ukip

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threatens you in the north of England, Wales is nothing like as

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secure as it was, Mrs May is parking her tanks on the centre ground. I

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just don't see where the 12% swing could come from. Be careful of

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saying "Me". I sometimes vote Labour, sometimes not. We know that

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Jeremy is fighting on certain different fronts at the moment. The

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point is, he is campaigning, he is a campaigning leader, not one who sits

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in Westminster. There was a poll today that put a different picture.

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If you just go on popularity of leaders, it does not really sure

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what is going on. But if you want to win, you need a reasonably popular,

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respected leader. You talk about campaigning, which is interesting.

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Is it more important to you that he can win elections, or more important

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that he stays as he -- as a true socialist? Well, it is step-by-step.

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At the moment, he has to secure the leadership, which is proving the

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most difficult job. I am keen that he will fight austerity. We have a

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huge upcoming caps and sell-offs that will happen, and the issue of

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Trident. For me, it is important that those particular points are put

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over well. But he does have to fight, you often sneer at it, but he

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has to fight a media that is almost universally hostile, so he has to go

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out in order to find people to support him because he is not going

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to get it through the mass media. The thing that Michael said is that

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we ought to be plotting a route to government. Instead of plotting

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against him. Michael isn't a Labour member, but the whole point is that

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Jeremy Kyle is get 20% of 230 MPs. -- Jeremy Kyle get. -- Jeremy can't

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get. These are people who have dedicated their lives to working on

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social services and tackling politics. We have no confidence in

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Jeremy as a leader and, if you cannot get the confidence of the

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Parliamentary party, I don't know how many votes Mrs Thatcher had when

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she resigned because she didn't get enough votes... She still won it.

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You need that confidence. It is different time phases. The

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constituency that selected and elected Jeremy is different from the

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time phases that produced the MPs. Either way, that is the case. It is

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out of kilter, isn't it? You got two different... We are notorious for

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just walking into elections with unpopular leaders. The Tories are

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set to be pretty ruthless about their leaders. I'm afraid this is

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our Iain Duncan Smith moment. If we don't tackle this now, if we let

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this drift on, and there isn't a concerted plot, it seems to be

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internal combustion after Europe. It was a big test for Jeremy on Europe.

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He failed it, leadership... Be no more failed and Cameron did. As a

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test of leadership of the party, it was more important than a general

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election for many people in the party, and that may be what set it

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off. The fact is, if the membership elected him again knowing that the

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Parliamentary Labour Party have no confidence in him, that it can't

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even scramble together 46 out of 230 MPs to nominate him, I'm afraid the

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membership are going to continue this problem. You said something

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interesting, which is that the party is out of kilter. The Parliamentary

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party doesn't like the grassroots and the grassroots don't like the

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Parliamentary party. You can say that objectively whether you support

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one or the other. Doesn't that mean at some stage, whether Mr Corbyn

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wins or not, if he wins, surely there is a danger the Parliamentary

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party will go off and form another party and, if he loses, the

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grassroots will go off and form another party. Either way, there is

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a schism. You could say it is a crisis in social democracy and a

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crisis in how you define a party. Jeremy Corbyn isn't a social

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democrat. I would say he's a Parliamentary socialist. He spent

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all of his life being an MP... He has also been attacking democracies

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like Germany and Sweden. He wanted a much more hard left approach to

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things. Isn't it true that a lot of people who have joined the Labour

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Party last year were not really Labour at all? You look at the

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banners at the demonstration is, it is the Socialist Workers Party,

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communist party... The Socialist Workers Party as far as I know have

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not joined the Labour Party. And lots of individuals... I don't know

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anything. There are a lot of young people. The idea there are 300,000

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Trotskyists. As far as I know, there are about 520. A lot of people but a

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lot of store in Jeremy. He represents something to them. Maybe

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it is this purity, he hasn't had to make decisions. He is a protester,

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not a persuader. If you have a status quo that isn't

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satisfactory... If he was going to knock seven bells out of the Tories,

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if he was going to make these speeches at the dispatch box... He

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has none of these capabilities as a leader, that's the sad truth. People

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were saying David Cameron was a leader but at the end of the day he

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failed. Let me bring Michael in. We need an election. It was true that

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after 1997, when the Tories were in a mess, what really mattered in

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British politics was what happened in the ruling party, new Labour. Are

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we back in that situation where what really matters at the moment is what

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happens in the ruling party, which is the Tories? It does for the time

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being but we don't know what lies ahead. Who leads the Labour Party

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and what their policies are matters very much. It is a Parliamentary

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democracy and the government and opposition are both made within

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Parliament, and both parties have arrived at a situation where they

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are capable of electing leaders who don't command the confidence of

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Labour's -- members of Parliament, because Andrea Leadsom would not

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have had much more confident among the Tories and Morgan does among

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Labour. The elections are not fit for purpose. -- Corbyn does among

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Labour. With Boris, it is somebody who has said thing about

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foreigners... It's more important that Labour goes into the 2020

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election with Mr Corbyn intact and it is that it wins the 2020

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election? Should he stay even if it is claggy is going to lose? That

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isn't either or for me. -- even if it is clear he is going to lose.

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Yes, I would want Labour to win with Jeremy Corbyn's politics. They are

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indivisible in my mind, but clearly not in Alan's. We shall see. It will

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be a long, hot summer for the Labour Party. May be for the Tories, too.

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Now lots of things scare me - spiders, clowns, some of the strange

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sartorial choices you see on this programme.

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But one thing that doesn't scare me is having

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And with the all-women Ghostbusters film out this week,

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we asked our very own Miranda Green to investigate some spooky goings-on

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down at Waterloo Station, for her round-up of the week.

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There's been something strange in the political neighbourhood

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Quite frankly, it's been hard to know.

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After 30 years, the Ghostbusters are back, and this time the ladies

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It's nearly that long since we had our last

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female Prime Minister, but we've got the latest a bit

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I have, however, concluded that the interests of our country

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are best served by the immediate appointment of a strong and well

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I'm therefore withdrawing from the leadership election.

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When Andrea Leadsom pulled out of the leadership race,

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her staunch Brexiteer supporters were dismayed

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More of a self sliming, perhaps, after she suggested that

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being a mother gave her the edge over her rival, Theresa May.

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Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make

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David Cameron had to get the removal van in a bit early but he didn't

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There's a lot of pelting around in this business.

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When the press pack got the call about the Leadsom bombshell,

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they were supposed to be paying attention to the Labour Party,

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who really want to get in on this all-women act.

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We are at a crossroads and I am ready to lead.

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Unfortunately, trainee ghostbuster Angela

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and the Labour moderates are not having much luck in eliminating

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A leadership challenge is looking dangerous and may

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They tried to keep Corbyn off the ballot, but the darling

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of Momentum isn't quite ready to go into the light.

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I'm delighted to say the Labour Party National Executive

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has decided that an incumbent is automatically on the ballot

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Still haunted by the experience of the SDP.

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If the left and the moderates do go their separate ways,

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It's in danger of splitting the Labour Party.

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I won't let it happen on my watch, and that is why I'm standing

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for the Labour leadership in order to unite our party and give people

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hope that there is a credible Labour alternative ready to fight for them.

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Honestly, there have been horrors everywhere this week.

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In normal times, civil war inside the opposition would dominate

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Westminster, but the high drama of David Cameron handing power

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to give Mrs May left Labour's demons on the cutting room floor.

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I'd also like him to pass on my thanks to his mum

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for her advice about ties and suits and songs.

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It's extremely kind of her and I'd be grateful if he'd pass that

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I will certainly sent his good wishes back to my mother.

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He seems to have taken her advice and is looking

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When the main actor bows out, it's traditional they get a warm

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Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it.

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After all, as I once said, I was the future once.

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The PM rose to a standing ovation from the Tories and former

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Lib Dem coalition partners, who he'd slimed good and proper,

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David Cameron went to the Palace to resign and the new leader

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of the girl gang, Mrs May, went to see the Queen,

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then entered Downing Street and tried to banish

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Because not everybody knows this, but the full title of my party

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is the Conservative and Unionist Party, and that word

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It means we believe in the union, the precious, precious bond

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between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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But it means something else that is just as important.

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It means we believe in a union not just between the nations

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of the United Kingdom but between all of our citizens,

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every one of us, whoever we are and wherever we are from.

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George Osborne was well and truly busted, exorcised from number 11.

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Then began the paranormal return of some of the Brexiteers.

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Liam Fox as Trade Minister, David Davis as Brexit negotiator, and the

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return of the marshmallow man himself,

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Boris Johnson at the Foreign Office. It's been a very busy first day

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for me here at the Foreign Office and it began really with a big

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speech to about 700 of our staff. I set out all I think we need to be

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doing, what I think we need to focus on, and that is reshaping Britain's

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profile and identity Today, we got some more female

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appointments So what is going to

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be in this sequel? Brexit means Brexit,

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they say, but the outlines One thing is for certain,

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the new female cast There's a woman in Downing Street

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preparing to have talks with Angela Merkel and maybe even

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Hillary Clinton. Larry the cat is just about the only

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male who's been allowed to stay. Speaking of cats, where

:29:51.:29:54.

are my kitten heels? And Miranda takes some time

:29:55.:30:03.

off from busting ghosts before we proceed, let me bring you

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up-to-date with this unfolding terrorist tragedy in Nice, southern

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France. We are now getting a scale of the incredible, an idea of the

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scale of what was going on. It now looks as if the truck drove for two

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kilometres. I said earlier that the Promenade des Anglais is miles and

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miles long, going all the way along the front at Nice. It looks like it

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drove the two kilometres, on a promenade packed with people who

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were out celebrating Bastille Day, the symbolic beginning of the French

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revolution and the beginning of the French republic. That gives an idea

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of why the death toll, which we now think is over 70 is so great. They

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could find no way to stop this. People were clinging on to the doors

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of the drug, trying to get the driver to stop, but it took a long

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while before police could assemble in shoot out the windscreen. Le

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Figaro is saying that several weapons, guns and grenades have been

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found inside the lorry. The interior minister has said that the driver

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who drove the truck has been neutralised, I am pretty sure that

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means he has been killed. There are conflicting reports as to whether

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the driver got out and started shooting. Some say yes, other

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eyewitnesses say no. No hostages have been taken, contrary to some

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earlier reports, but the death toll is rising by the minute. The scale

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of this terrorist incident is being unveiled as time goes on.

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Michael, these are uncertain and difficult times on a host of fronts.

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It is Theresa May up to it? I last knew her properly 15 years ago and

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she has come on by leaps and bounds since then. What she did as Home

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Secretary took me immensely by surprise. She was tough, she was

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there for six years. But what has most impressed me is the last 36

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hours in which she has acted with great decision, great ruthlessness

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and achieved a pretty good balance. Her speech was pretty well-balanced.

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She dealt with the question of whether we would exit the European

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Union deftly, with two or three words which were, as we leave the

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European Union, and then appointed two ministers to make sure we would

:32:42.:32:46.

leave. She very bravely put George Osborne and Michael Gove on the

:32:47.:32:50.

backbenches. This is really a night of the Long knives which has no

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precedent since the days of Macmillan. She has acted very

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boldly. She has been applauded, you just did it, for last in six years

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at the Home Office. What did she actually achieved? She stood up to

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the vested interests of the police in particular. She made a speech to

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the Police Federation. What did she then do? She reduced police numbers

:33:16.:33:22.

and maintain police effectiveness, I would say. The Treasury told her to

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do that. She did not actually reform the police. She had a total failure

:33:27.:33:34.

over immigration. I don't know in any way, I asked Chris Grayling, her

:33:35.:33:38.

campaign manager, in what way were the borders more secure than six

:33:39.:33:43.

years ago and he could not tell me. So I am not quite sure what she

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achieved. I suppose most people are applauding her for... Just

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surviving. Yes, but that is quite a big thing in that department. Why

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did she sound like Ed Miliband in Downing Street? She felt was the

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moment do precisely that. She feels it strongly herself, that she should

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be a one nation Tory. Secondly, she sees an extraordinary political

:34:13.:34:14.

opportunity because Jeremy Corbyn is abandoning the centre ground. She

:34:15.:34:20.

talked about fairness between North and South, black-and-white, men and

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women, privileged and underprivileged. It is no more than

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boilerplate rhetoric, is it? It is almost pablum. Does she have any

:34:31.:34:33.

idea of the policies required to achieve any of that? Well, we will

:34:34.:34:41.

see. This idea of one nation, you are right to have brought up Ed

:34:42.:34:47.

Miliband. There were chunks that could have been lifted from an Ed

:34:48.:34:52.

Miliband speech. As we know, a Conservative Prime Minister can do

:34:53.:34:55.

things that would look bad, Labour Prime Minister and vice versa.

:34:56.:34:59.

Perhaps she can push through social reforms to do something about the

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fact that there are so many people who feel they do not share in the

:35:03.:35:05.

prosperity that made them vote to leave the European Union. I

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understand the aim, but almost everybody has a version of these

:35:11.:35:14.

aims. I am trying to work out if she has the policies. We don't know yet.

:35:15.:35:19.

But there is a problem for the Labour Party because the Tories now

:35:20.:35:23.

seem not just to want to occupy the centre right, not just the centre,

:35:24.:35:29.

but it's of the centre-left as well. It is almost pushing the Labour

:35:30.:35:35.

Party further to the left. David Cameron started like that, hugging

:35:36.:35:39.

foodies, the greenest government ever, and that changed. He has one

:35:40.:35:43.

thing to show for it, gay marriage, and not much else. 2.4 million more

:35:44.:35:50.

jobs. Let's give credit there. Unemployment is not as high... Let's

:35:51.:35:58.

give credit there. But in terms of what he has done to tackle

:35:59.:36:03.

inequality, I don't see very much. If Theresa May or Damian Green came

:36:04.:36:07.

out next week and said, we will abandon the bedroom tax, which is

:36:08.:36:14.

symbolic, because we all deal, as constituency MPs, including Tory

:36:15.:36:16.

constituencies, with the effect of that nasty, vicious piece of

:36:17.:36:22.

legislation, that would be a start. Is she really going to put workers

:36:23.:36:29.

on the board, I doubt it. That cannot possibly have been thought

:36:30.:36:33.

through. I was relieved that the leadership campaign did not go on

:36:34.:36:37.

longer and we did not get more promises of that kind. I don't know

:36:38.:36:41.

what cheek can convert into policy, but I think she is achieving a tonal

:36:42.:36:49.

change. -- what she can convert into policy. We have this referendum

:36:50.:36:53.

because David Cameron was too clever by half. He took an enormous risk

:36:54.:36:57.

which came home to roost, destroyed him and may have damaged the

:36:58.:37:02.

country. Osborne was like that, and Gove fours like that. She has got

:37:03.:37:05.

rid of the people who were too clever by half. The Notting Hill

:37:06.:37:13.

set. And she is a solid, perhaps somewhat plodding person, and

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Phillip Hammond is a solid, somewhat plodding person. That could be

:37:18.:37:26.

deeply reassuring. Why Boris Johnson? Unfortunately, the mirror

:37:27.:37:30.

to what Michael is describing, the safe, plodding Prime Minister and

:37:31.:37:34.

Chancellor, there is a terrible flip side, which is that we seem to have

:37:35.:37:39.

someone who is not that at all as our Foreign Secretary and

:37:40.:37:42.

representative around the world. I am also worried about David Davis

:37:43.:37:45.

being in charge of Brexit negotiations. I know that is seen as

:37:46.:37:50.

the right appointment because it proves she will do Brexit, but as a

:37:51.:37:54.

negotiator who can actually sit in the room and come back with deals to

:37:55.:38:00.

suit both sides, is he the right person? Here has a lot of

:38:01.:38:05.

experience. He has been more of a commentator recently, really. She

:38:06.:38:11.

has gone for more grey hairs. Including herself. She is nine years

:38:12.:38:17.

older. The three biggest Brexit jobs have gone to David Davis, Boris

:38:18.:38:24.

Johnson and Liam Fox, not exactly the three Amigos. Unless Boris is

:38:25.:38:28.

there to keep him in when they announced the third runway at

:38:29.:38:32.

Heathrow, I am not sure. But who is going to take control of that? It

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should be the Foreign Secretary. We have two lead it. Miranda, good to

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see you. Lovely outfit and you were great in the movie.

:38:43.:38:45.

David Cameron once said that the reason he wanted to be

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Prime Minister was that, "I thought I'd be good at it".

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But being PM isn't all it's cracked up to be.

:38:51.:38:54.

Sure, you've got the nuclear launch codes and you don't have

:38:55.:38:56.

to stop at traffic lights, and you get to pretend Barack Obama

:38:57.:38:59.

You have to point at fish in Portuguese markets and look

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like you're enjoy flying on Easyjet when you go on holiday,

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to show you're not part of the global elite.

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So God only knows why Theresa May would want the top job.

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And that's why we're putting frontwomen in the Spotlight.

:39:14.:39:24.

Theresa May has attracted plenty of comparisons with the Tories'

:39:25.:39:28.

original frontwoman, Margaret Thatcher.

:39:29.:39:30.

Some say we shouldn't obsess over the gender of our new PM,

:39:31.:39:33.

but surely there's no denying this is a historic moment.

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When it comes to woman prime ministers, I'm very pleased to be

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able to say, pretty soon, it's going to be 2-0.

:39:42.:39:44.

On the other side of the chamber, Labour has never had

:39:45.:39:47.

a woman up front, apart from temporary stand-ins.

:39:48.:39:49.

Angela Eagle triggered a leadership contest this week,

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It certainly feels like the times are a-changing.

:39:54.:40:09.

Theresa could soon find herself bargaining with Angela,

:40:10.:40:11.

Her bid to become Leader of the Free World got a boost this

:40:12.:40:18.

week from her former Democrat rival, Bernie Sanders.

:40:19.:40:21.

She will be the next President of the United States.

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And living the good life - Cerys Matthews has headed up a band,

:40:28.:40:30.

radio shows and now her very own music festival.

:40:31.:40:33.

So, whether it's in rock and roll or in politics, what does it take

:40:34.:40:37.

to be frontwoman in what's traditionally been a man's world?

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And joining us for the This Week summer festival, Cerys Matthews.

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Welcome to the programme. Thank you. Do we still think, it is a front

:40:54.:41:06.

woman? Or are we getting used to it? People used to ask me when I was in

:41:07.:41:12.

a band about being a woman leading a band, I would say, I don't know what

:41:13.:41:16.

it is like to be a man leading a band. I have never identified myself

:41:17.:41:20.

as a front woman, just a front person. I always believed it is the

:41:21.:41:26.

person with ability that should get the job, no matter how they present.

:41:27.:41:33.

Do people still think, hey, it is a woman heading the band, the

:41:34.:41:38.

festival? Obviously there is work to be done because the numbers do not

:41:39.:41:43.

add up, which is what is exciting about the Cabinet reshuffle,

:41:44.:41:46.

whatever your politics. It is a glimpse of hopefully a future when

:41:47.:41:51.

the numbers are going to add up. It turns out she has only added one

:41:52.:41:55.

extra woman. The march of the women did not quite happen. But when you

:41:56.:42:01.

look over the world... Having said that, when you look in the EU, poor

:42:02.:42:06.

Angela Merkel is there in a see of suits, so there is a lot of work to

:42:07.:42:11.

be done. Hopefully in the future it will be old-fashioned to have this

:42:12.:42:15.

conversation. Is it not already going in that direction? I remember

:42:16.:42:21.

when Mrs Thatcher was chosen leader of the Tory party in 1975, it was a

:42:22.:42:26.

huge issue that she was a woman. That was the main news story. It is

:42:27.:42:31.

obviously historic that Mrs May is only the second woman Prime

:42:32.:42:36.

Minister, but it is not such a big issue and that suggests progress.

:42:37.:42:40.

What is a fresh ink is that my daughter is 12 and her generation

:42:41.:42:46.

absolutely do not want gender specifications. -- what is

:42:47.:42:50.

refreshing. They are about gender fluidity or neutrality. When I grew

:42:51.:42:56.

up, I was perplexed about the reason I could not do woodwork and I was

:42:57.:43:01.

shoved into do sewing. I wanted to play football. I just wanted to put

:43:02.:43:07.

my head down and get things done and get to do things I wanted to do,

:43:08.:43:13.

like lead a band and be a force for positive change. I think it would be

:43:14.:43:19.

fair to say that for your daughter the 21st-century will be the century

:43:20.:43:22.

of women in a way that the 20th century... I hope it is for women,

:43:23.:43:29.

the LG BT community, all colours, all creeds, the person with the

:43:30.:43:34.

right ability gets the job. That means there will be more women. You

:43:35.:43:40.

would hope so. Is it 50-50 in the world? There are still work to do.

:43:41.:43:47.

The Festival? It is great. It is an antidote to being indoors on your

:43:48.:43:52.

screens. You get out, meet people, passionate people, great ideas,

:43:53.:43:56.

food, literature music and the greater -- the great outdoors. All

:43:57.:44:06.

genders are welcome. Thank you very much. I am sorry we are short on

:44:07.:44:11.

time. Our hearts are with all victims of terrorist attacks the

:44:12.:44:14.

world over. Thank you for having me on. That is your lot for tonight but

:44:15.:44:22.

we will be followed by the news with continuing coverage on the BBC of

:44:23.:44:26.

the unfolding terrible terrorist tragedy in Nice.

:44:27.:44:29.

That's your lot for tonight, folks - but not for us, because it's

:44:30.:44:32.

John Whittingdale's leaving party tonight at Lou Lou's -

:44:33.:44:34.

and, if we don't turn up, the place could be deserted.

:44:35.:44:37.

But we leave you tonight with our former Prime Minister,

:44:38.:44:39.

and a week when - at very short notice - Call-Me-Dave had

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to call the removal van, and his referendum fail finally

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:45:44.:45:48.

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to more than 80,000 refugees, who fled their homes

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in war-torn Syria.

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