06/10/2016 This Week

Tonight on This Week, a new dynasty is in town, the May dynasty.

A lust for power, for glamour, for kitten heels.

Button designer Wayne Hemingway thinks this leading

I've never voted Conservative and I'm pretty sure I never will.

But Theresa May's got a new collection.

Never one to miss a good melodrama or wear a shoulder pad,

the BBC's John Pienaar was hoping for a week

There's a new set of shoulder pads at the top of the Tory party.

Stay tuned for our omnibus edition of the grandest, richest,

And after the conference when you couldn't make the bad jokes up,

George the Poet puts the power of speech in the spotlight.

What would national poetry day be without Blue None? !

Yes, tonight, love, lust, drama, intrigue,

And more bling than Theresa May's shoe cupboard.

What do you get if you combine the dirigiste economics

of Ed Miliband and the social prejudices of the Daily Mail?

Yes, I know, it's difficult but think about it.

One part state intervention to put evil capitalists in their place.

One part putting yourself at the head of a crusade

in the interests of "ordinary working families".

And, just to add spice to the heady brew, one part gratuitous pop

Anyway I think we can all get behind our new Prime Minister's

meritocratic mantra that it doesn't matter what your background

or where you come from, it should be unlimited

Unless, of course, you're an immigrant.

In which case your employer will be flushed out and probably named

and shamed for employing too many of you.

But it's not expected you'll have to wear an "I'm

All music to the ears of Ukip's leader.

Because these days Ukip leaders don't last longer than your average

Though if you operate on the basis that no matter who else claims

the crown, the leader is always Nigel Farage then you'll quickly

discover that's a pretty reliable default position.

Speaking of crawlers, I'm joined on the sofa tonight

by two media tarts who'll do and say anything to keep in the limelight.

Think of them as the Kim Kardashian and Kayne West of late

I speak of course of #fourpercent Liz Kendall and Michael

Michael, your moment of the week? The physical altercation between the

Ukip MEPs today. Not because of the event itself but this year, so many

things have happened that my jaw has dropped. Some have been tragic, like

the murder of Jo Cox, some have been bizarre like Boris Johnson failing

to run for the Conservative Leadership and becoming Foreign

Secretary, the fall from grace of David Cameron and George Osborne,

the emergence of Donald Trump in the United States, Andrea Leadsom being

a candidate for the Conservative Prime Minister. These have all come

out of left field. The unexpected tends to happen. Liz? My moment is

America suspending talks with Russia over Syria because of Assad and the

Kremlin's intensifying bombing of Aleppo. My real concern is with

America focussed on the presidential election and Britain and Europe

focussed on Brexit, we are not providing the strong leadership that

we need to protect civilians and hold Russia to account and that has

got to change. The liberal metropolitan elite

likes to sneer that late night TV is a graveyard

for political has-beens. But what do they know,

now that one of our number has made it to the very pinnacle

of political life? Yes, Diane Abbott, who ran

a very successful Thursday night politics show -

at least that's what she told the Nigerian Guardian this summer -

has just been made Shadow Home Secretary by her old

motorbike mucker, Jezza. I understand that tonight she's

given a second interview to the Nigerian Guardian,

which is now under the impression she's really

Leader of the Opposition. Is this the first and dramatic

illustration of Theresa May's enthusiasm for social

mobility in action? Is Diane the new poster girl for

a brave new world in which there's Or do we all have to tour

East Germany on the back Here's designer Wayne Hemmingway

with his take of the week. # Come on, baby, let

the good times roll # Come on, baby, let

me thrill your soul.# I've never voted Conservative

and can't imagine ever doing so but Theresa May has given me a little

bit of hope this week. Is she the first

Conservative Prime Minister to fully understand the inequalities

haunting Britain, and can she refashion her party to do

something about it? But her words are cut

a different cloth from her often repellent party and that's why it

But we need more than a bit of darning.

Growing up in the 60s and 70s in a working-class

family, we never had money but we have belief,

belief that with a bit of elbow grease we could go on and

do better than the people who brought us up.

As teenagers, me and my future wife left our home towns

of Blackburn and Burnley for the big city.

We emptied our belongings onto Camden market.

We had no business experience, no assets, no Bank of Mum and Dad.

And then we opened shops and as long as we paid our rent on time

But those days are long gone, lost to bank guarantees

and inherited wealth and spiralling rents.

For the first time, people in their 20s and 30s

are worse off than their parents, and a frightening nihilism is

Brexit is a reflection of this but at least May

May's proposed redesign of the party is promising.

Ever the optimist, I am loath to believe this

is a cynical move where she just wants to earn loads of money

Surely at her age now, she wants to leave a legacy.

But the question remains, does she have the practical solutions to

Let's hope the Conservative Party's new designs are

not the emperor's new clothes and fit the young people and those left

behind who so desperately need a helping hand.

And from Rokit Vintage store in Brick Lane to our own outdated

walk-in wardrobe here on This Week, Wayne Hemingway joins me now.

Welcome. The rhetoric is good. What makes you think she could turn it

into anything approaching reality? I'm not sure she can. But if she is

saying - the thing that surprises me about all of this - you understand

when a 40-odd-year-old politician says this because they are gathering

support. I'm 5 myself and I know there is a time in your life when

you start to forget about your own self-ambition -- 55 myself. You

think, you are supposed to leave the world a better place. She's 60 and

I've got a feeling - also from her background, she's from a background

that should have proper morals - her father was a clergyman. I think

maybe she's seen the light but then again you think, why is she in the

Tory party in the first place if she's thinking these things. But if

her words come to pass, maybe there won't be a Tory party anyway. I find

it all a bit... You are willing to give her a chance though? We should

give everyone a chance. To deliver? We have got to hold her to account

now. We can't let another Prime Minister... The concept of the big

society was good. The idea of people getting together and communities and

doing things for themselves and being helped a little bit by

Government to do that. But that was all kicked into touch. We can't

afford another Prime Minister to do that. But she set a very high bar

for herself for clear improvement in the lives of what she calls

"ordinary working class people". How do we judge that? How do we judge

progress? I think she was right to say that the big challenge we face

as a country and the underlying cause of Brexit is the economy feels

like it's only working for a few at the top and not most people. But I

don't actually think she is a Prime Minister or this is a Government of

the centre ground that wants to unite people. It wouldn't do grammar

schools then would it? Exactly. I've heard this week before her speech,

you know, some of the most divisive and right-wing policies I've heard

if my lifetime, not just on grammar schools but on immigration too. I

don't think that you get that kind of one-nation unifying politics by

what I see actually as quite strong right-wing nationalism. We had a

very unhappy time at our business this week. We employ overseas

designers and we are a better company for it, way better. It means

that when we export design we understand export markets. That's

one obvious thing about it. I mean, Labour may say that she's not in the

centre, but the fact is that she has straddled her tanks, not just in the

centre. She's on the centre-left? If you read her speech, there are all

sorts of things that she's... Again the rhetoric policy is another

matter, but on the rhetoric, she moves on to a lot of what she is

saying used to be said by Ed Miliband. She's on the centre and

the left and that is straddling. Liz said something about left-wing

nationalists. People who voted in the north of England and Essex and

East Anglia and so on are left-wing nationalists and I'm sure show knows

that. She's listening to people and talking a language that those people

talk amongst themselves. Jeremy Corbyn's taking the opportunity to

say he's not going to do anything about immigration if he becomes the

Prime Minister of this country so he's giving an amazing opportunity

to the Prime Minister, to Theresa May, to talk about these subjects.

What should she do? We don't know what she's going to do to improve

social mobility? She could shift the tax burden back the other way

because the tax burden has shifted towards the poor. She could start

to, is it ?13 billion of cuts still to go into Public Services, she

could stop that. She talked about austerity. They have talked about

austerity not working. Are they now going to end those ?13 billion of

cuts that are decimating Public Services? She could do that at the

flick of her finger. Do you think she is? She said or intimated that

she would, so we've all got to hold her to account now.

Something tells me that the way things have been going the last

couple of years, that it won't happen, no, and we'll all just

forget about it. But I don't quite know where Wayne has been. Year

after year under the coalition, under the Conservatives, the

threshold at which people begin to pay income tax has been pushed

up-and-up. The idea that the poor are paying more tax is wrong. That's

not happening. Happening The challenge for Theresa May, what she

wanted to do this week was deal with Brexit first then go on to how she

wanted the change the economy and society and the truth is, you cannot

separate the two. If you want the economy to work for everyone, the

economy's actually got to work. I don't think that immigration should

be driving your economic policy which is what we heard this week.

That is not going to deliver for the majority of people in this country.

Wayne touched on housing. The Government has intimated it's going

to put an extra ?2 billion into housing. Personally, I would go

further and start building council houses again. Why - because you have

got to increase the supply of housing and the most efficient way

of doing that is to build houses in the public sector. One day they

would pass into the private sector because they would be sold to

tenants but I think that's something she may do. Wayne was talking about

how people are poorer now than in previous generations and can't get

on the housing ladder. That is the most urgent thing. It was completely

neglected by Osborne and Cameron. And this's something that can be

done. The other thing that can be done, you say the tax burden, we

could shift that. I'm willing to pay more tax, you know.

The top rate of tax at the moment is higher than it was in all the years

that Blair and Brown were in government. The real issue here is

the inequalities in wealth, in assets. If you really want to change

that, you need to look at inheritance tax, at capital gains

tax, so you are not giving more and more assets to those who already

have them, and you shift to a more long-term system where it is worth

people investing in companies and technology and innovation, rather

than assets and properties. I would have a policy of helping people get

assets, rather than taking assets away from people who have them. It

depends for me what she does with it in the end, but are you saying it is

a foreign principle to Conservatives to do good. I think Margaret

Thatcher believed in the power of the state to do good, Harold

Macmillan certainly did. It is a shift from the previous

administration. I do not think there is anything particularly novel in

that, and I would be very unhappy if she goes to do with workers on board

is. That is a daft idea which has not worked in Germany. On the other

hand, if she starts building houses, I would be happy. I will give two

practical ways you could measure it. At the moment there are 6 million

people in this country who earn less than the living wage. So in three or

four years, we should maybe test to see whether it is 6 million or if it

has come down. 50% of people who are in poverty in this country are

working. They are the working poor, not the people that don't go to

work, on welfare benefits and don't do anything. They are working, with

at least one member of the family out working. Work was meant to pay,

but they are still living in poverty. So let's see if we can cut

that 50% down. It seems to me, having been the only one here who

was in Birmingham, there was all sorts of rhetoric designed to appeal

to Labour voters, to the centre, to Lib Dems and so on. We now have to

say, let's take her at her word but set yardsticks, tangible yardsticks

that can be measured on progress. I agree with that. I'm glad to hear

it. A policy she has inherited from George Osborne and David Cameron is

a massive increase in the minimum wage, which has now been retitled

the national living wage. The consequence is that people in work

should be lifted out of poverty. Another consequence is that there

will be an enormous attraction to new immigration because our borders

are still open while we are a member of the European Union. I think she

will have to wrestle with a tremendous attraction to new

immigration and the closing down sale, as immigrants assume that once

we leave the European Union the doors will not be open. The danger

is that it was a very populist speech. She did not say the word fat

cats, but she meant people like Philip Green. She did not name check

him but she talked about him, taking money out of dividends for a company

whose pension was going down the Swanee. But then we hear that they

are allowing fracking, which puts money into big business and goes

against what the public want. How do you know what the public want? The

public want energy. But they could spend money on energy that people

were not against. 185,000 people signed a... I am against wind power.

It is different people. Here we go. These assertions that he knows what

the public wants! There has been enough gas in the studio tonight.

Thanks for coming in. But don't despair because Steven

Woolfe is sitting up in his bed and says he's "happier and brighter

and smiling as ever", he still wants her old job,

unless of course he defects to the Tories and

wants Theresa May's. And if all these party conference

speeches have left you cold and baffled, don't despair

because George the Poet is waiting in the wings, ready to put the power

of speech in tonight's Spotlight. And if expressing yourself

ain't your thing, you'll feel right at home on SnapNumpty,

TwitterBollocks, FleecebookDrivel and just about everything else

on the intergalactic web sphere. Now these are dangerous times,

as Ukip MEP Steven Woolfe found out the hard way today,

ending up in a Strasbourg hospital after what's euphemistically

described as an "altercation" If they'd been in different parties

it could have been total war. Anyway, the good news is that

Mr Woolfe is expected to make a full recovery,

which is more than can Some have suggested that,

like Mr Woolfe, the party should But that could prove anatomically

challenging for the scanner. However this Brexit business

is causing friction Battle ready, but party

conference weary, the BBC's Deputy Political Editor,

"John Pienaar The Brave", girded his loins to bring

us some ripping yarns 950 years ago this week,

King Harold Godwinson marched south Sounds like some guy

from the accounts department. Anyway, would have been good

if he'd won, wouldn't it? If we'd have seen off those foreign

invaders at the very beginning there would have

been no need for Brexit. As it turns out, our modern-day

Queen Boudicca, Theresa May, is having to clear up the mess

after us fighting our way out of the European Union

and reunite the country again. She's ambitious, that one,

wants to show she's on the side of the peasants and get the Labour

tribe on her side as well, all united in a fine,

happy land called the centre. I want to set our party

and our country on the path towards the new centre ground

of British politics, built on the values of fairness

and opportunity, where everyone plays by the same rules

and where every single person, regardless of their background,

or that of their parents, is given the chance to be

all they want to be. Good kings and queens have to be

politicians and diplomats You need a blade of steel

and a tongue of silver and know how to please the crowd

when you have to do that. Well, Theresa May has

to please the crowd, those millions who did not just want

out of the European Union, they want King Harold didn't do such a good

job of that, did he? But let's state one thing

loud and clear. We are not leaving

the European Union only to give up control of immigration

all over again. And we are not leaving only

to return to the jurisdiction We are leaving to become once more

a fully sovereign and independent country, and the deal is going

to have to work for Britain. And that Britain, the Britain

we build after Brexit, Probably helps that the Labour

tribes here at home It's an opportunity for Theresa May

to try to do what every Tory leader since Thatcher the Ferocious has

wanted to do, turn the red The Labour Party is not just

divided but divisive. Fighting among themselves,

abusing their own MPs, threatening to end their careers,

tolerating anti-Semitism The Tory army in Birmingham loved

that, much more than they liked being told off by Theresa May a few

years ago when she told them This time, she was after everyone,

greedy bosses, tax dodgers, And the Tories were getting

what they wanted to hear, I say, come with me and we will

write that brighter future, come with me

and we will make that change. Come with me as we rise

to meet this moment. Come with me, and together let's

seize the day. You almost had

to get up and cheer. Trouble is, they'd already heard

from the second Lord He wanted to sound reassuring

but it was a hard draft of reality, As the economy responds

over the coming months, fiscal policy may also

have a role to play. Throughout the negotiating process,

we are ready to take whatever steps are necessary to protect this

economy from turbulence. And when the process is over,

we are ready to provide support to British businesses as they adjust

to life outside the EU. Because Brexit does mean Brexit,

and we are going to Every court has got someone

who thinks it's all a bit of a game, and Theresa has

got Boris, her jester. But he's trying not to be too funny

these days because he's in charge of foreign policy,

which only goes to show Theresa May has got a sense of humour, too,

and they are both keen to show they think Brexit will work out

well, whatever they may I've made friends, I've made

alliances, I've struck up I've had wonderful conversations

in the various Euro creoles But I have to tell any lingering

gloomadon poppers here in this audience that never once,

never once have I felt in all my conversations

in the European Council, that this country would be in any

way disadvantaged by extricating On the contrary, I think

there are many ways You need that in politics in any

party, certainly a lot tougher than the Lady Diane James of Ukip,

who lasted as leader for as long Then she decided she didn't

have the authority I keep getting over the wall

and running for the hills and before So yes, I will continue

as the interim leader Well, Theresa May is certain to last

longer than Diane James. She may even last longer

than Nigel Farage, who will be with us for what,

40, 50 years? If she's going to get a good deal

in Europe and keep the Tory tribe united and take over Labour's

heartlands, she'll need luck John Pienaar, even polite to passers

by as a warrior. You can't get more British than that. Is Philip Hammond

right to abandon George Osborne's budget deficit targets? I think it's

very risky. I was looking at the figures today. National debt has

gone from about 30% of our annual income in about 2004, up to 85%

today. The idea that we have been going through austerity seems

completely far-fetched. We have run a deficit year after year. Normally

it is the largest in the European Union, and the national debt is

creeping to 100% of our national income. Those who complain about

austerity are wrong and those who believe the Chancellor has a great

deal of leeway are also wrong. What he is saying now, about borrowing to

invest, sounds a little bit like Ed Miliband and Ed Balls. It does

indeed. It sounded very familiar. I thought the rhetoric of Hammond's

speech was quite different from George Osborne's. I can assure you,

there was no rhetoric! Well, the spin was different. We have yet to

see whether he really will be using fiscal policy in a more active way.

It was very interesting what Theresa May said about Monetary Policy

Committee some of the bad consequences that has had. Which has

ramped up assets. Those who have assets are seeing them go up. That

has been the inequalities impact of quantitative easing -- content --

quantitative easing. Then we heard some briefing from her policy person

about a more active fiscal policy. We did not see that in Hammond's

speech. ?2 billion for housing, compared to the whole budget, is a

drop in the ocean. Let's see what happens in the Autumn Statement. I

know many of you may have thought his speech was full of doom and

gloom and boring, but I thought, and I can't believe I'm saying this,

thank goodness there is one minister who has a scintilla of understanding

about the risks out there. I think QE will start to be wound up

in Britain. The problem the Chancellor faces is that the deficit

is probably going to rise anyway, even without the extra money for

investment. If the economy slows down, the tax revenues will stop

coming in and the deficit is going to rise even if he doesn't spend any

more? Yes. It's always surprising to me that the idea of borrowing more

and more is associated with the left. It means we get a freeish ride

today and pass the debts down to our children. We have already been

discussing this evening about how the new generations are

disadvantaged by comparison than former generations. The more we

borrow, the more we'll disadvantage the future generations. It's not a

straightforward policy at all. Do you think if the economy grows, if

you invest in the right things and the economy grows, then that

national debt will fall as a percentage of GDP over time? And if

we become a more productive economy too, you know. He also has, I mean

the big question is, is it possible in a world that's more connected

than ever before with China, with Indian, for us to have wealth that

is shared by all? Can we be a high-skilled high-tech country, can

we spread the growth? The only region that's seen its GDP go back

to pre-crisis levels is London and the south-east, everywhere else is

falling behind. That's an experience that many countries is had. Back to

what Andrew said, if it can be taken for granted that it's spending money

that you haven't got and earned, borrowing money, if it could be

guaranteed these things made the economy grow, we'd all do it. It's

debatable whether that is what happens. It may be argued that

Dickensian policies worked in the 30s, it can also be argued that

other things were happening in the economy at the same time. But the

left takes it as absolutely for granted that spending money we

haven't earned will make the economy grow is a doubtful proposition.

Everything the Government said in Birmingham implies that on the

Brexit we'll no longer be a member of the single market. Yes. It's the

logic of everything they say. Why won't they just admit it? Sorry, I

thought they had. No, they won't admit it. I thought Theresa May had

come pretty clear about that. She said you would have to... I thought

that was a great achievement of the conference, that that matter had

been settled. Immigration matters the most, we are not going to be a

part of the single market. Immigration isn't the thing that

happens the most, having a growing economy is what matters. It's what

the public voted for and the Government's taken that on the chin,

they have to control immigration and also they can't be a member of the

single market because the country has to be sovereign. The reason she

won't say it is she knows our manufacturing companies are deeply

concerned about what that will mean nor tariffs and non-tariff barriers.

She knows the City, which we are still very reliant on for so much of

the money in this country, is terrified of losing passporting.

This is the problem, immigration isn't the most important thing in

the country. Having a great, strong and growing economy is. This is why

I really disagree with so many commentators who've written this

week "she's on the centre ground". She is not. You do not have

immigration driving your economic policy. That is a huge mistake. You

might, if you are trying to get a movement of more opportunity to the

ordinary working family who is 're in this country. Amber Rudd, a

member I would say of the Liberal Metropolitan elite has nevertheless

come up with this idea - I made fun of her in the introduction - but

there should be a register of what percentage our immigrants... As if

that is a badge of shame. Ed Miliband suggested it's the

opposition. That is wrong. That is divisive. Very popular. The poll's

just come out showing it's popular in the countries of old, it's

popular with Conservative voters. The great leadership is not always

about leading for the national interest. It's not about fellowship,

I agree with that. Politically, I can see that it's sound, it

challenges Ukip and the Labour Party. It appeals to the instincts

of many people in this country so in that way... Is it not the case that

some companies in this country have found it easier to go abroad to

bring in Labour, rather than doing the heavy lifting of training the

people and skilling the people who're already here? Is that true?

The businesses in my constituency, it's not that they are going abroad,

it's what they are saying is young people are leaving school and don't

have the work-ready skills. Now, that is where I've... Employers do

need to do the training but it's not about education, but vocational

skills. The Government is blaming employers for something which is

fundamentally the Government's fault. In Germany and Austria, the

employers do a lot of the training as well. We want both. Shadow

Cabinet reshuffle tonight, a major one of big positions. No sign of

elections to the Shadow Cabinet though. Has the PLP been duped by

the Corbyn Is thats? I don't think anyone's been duped. -- Corbynistas.

It's his right to appoint the team, let us get on with the business of

us opposing the Government and stop turning in on ourselves. All this

business about electing the Shadow Cabinet, even part of it, there was

never a running? Many MPs thought it would be. Clearly from tonight, he's

going ahead and appointing his team. He's the leader, he's got the right

to do that. I want to see us working together as much as we can. What

we've seen this week at the Conservative conference I think has

been bad for the country and it's about time we stood up for the

people that we are supposed to represent. We should not be going

for this hard Brexit. I think it would be a disaster for economy.

But don't expect any wicked wordplay to arrest the relentless decline

After all, Liz and Michael here are no slick orators.

Why do you think they started on the front benches

And after three weeks of party conferences I've had my fill

of snollygosters, honeyfugglers, hornswogglers and prestidigitation.

That's why we're putting the power of speech in this week's spotlight.

There's never been a more exciting time to be a Conservative.

Commentators labelled speeches at this week's

Does rousing rhetoric matter to a Prime Minister

who thinks politics is more about substance than style.

It's about doing something, not being someone.

On the other side of the pond, Donald Trump's polling numbers have

dipped after a poor run of public appearances.

Cue Nigel Farage who's been giving him some tips

on communication ahead of this weekend's Presidential debate.

What you've got to do, Donald, is talk to people sitting at home

Don't get involved in a cat fight Hillary.

Rodrigo Duterte, controversial new leader of the Philippines,

appeared to compare his war on drugs to the Holocaust.

But is he an example of someone who wields words irresponsibly?

Trust them with no-one's detective skills...

George the Poet knows all about the power of speech.

So how important is language when it comes to causing a stir?

George is with us now. Welcome to the programme. Thank you very much.

Is the spoken word still the most persuasive form of communication? I

think it is because it's the crux of human communication. Anything else

is an offshoot or an adaptation and you can see the central role that it

will play in politics at least. And if you want to get your message

across, it's not enough just to have a good message, you've got to know

how to sell, communicate that message? I mean, that's been the

trend of politics for a while now: Unfortunately, it's not just about

being right, it's about being persuasive, convincing, popular to

an extent. People can tell as well, can't they? I mean they can. People

naturally respond to someone who naff Radio rally takes to the stage

-- naturally takes to the stage. Then you get the style of a

substance. Even when the person talking is perfectly capable of

making a sound argument, it's so easy to win people over if you can

do it with charisma. Do you change the way you communicate depending on

who you're speaking to? Oh, 100%. I've done that since I was a child.

I'm from an inner city community. I went to a grammar school, then I

went to Cambridge and I was always like flitting between different

kinds of communities and people so it became a survival technique. To

do that and to change? Yes. Michael, this isn't an age of great rhetoric

is it? I say that having been at both Party Conferences, Labour and

Tory, they are not great speakers? I think it's a confused picture, I

think someone like Obama became President on the back of rhetoric.

Trump has got to where he's got to by hitting certain buttons amongst a

certain part of the American public. On the other hand, David Cameron who

was a better orator than Theresa May was less successful in six years in

telling people what he was about than Theresa May has been in the

last six weeks. That's true. People have a bigger understanding of what

Theresa May is about than they ever had about what David Cameron was

about despite poorer rhetoric. She answered that question why do you

want to be Prime Minister, Cameron said, because I'd be rather good at

it. I think you are right, Andrew, by the speeches that I remember,

mostly actually are by Americans, whether it's Martin Luther King or

my favourite JFK's. It's something that we don't do, remembering

speeches. There are great political speeches, maybe just not so many

around at the moment? There have been. There have been. I suppose it

comes from what I always revert to, conviction. When people feel there

is something to be said and stood for, memorable sentiment comes out

of that. If that doesn't exist, it's hard to do it. Politicians need two

forms of communication. You were saying you change because the skills

that may make a politician good in a studio like this, talking to people

like me, may not be the same sort of skills that made JFK the great

orator or Churchill, or Churchill may have been bad in a studio like

this. The two skills are not the same, are they? Not at all. That all

comes down to multi-modal speech, basically being able to switch it up

which is often said about a lot of career politicians that haven't had

experience in other areas dealing with other communities. There is a

gap there. You are not going to make that connection otherwise. The

strongest speech from this Party Conference was Tom Watson's. That

was the Labour Party Conference. What are you up to? So, my whole

thing is trying to create a community out of my audience. I'm

about to start my new tour The Search Party tour. In that, all of

my poems are topical so while I've got you in the space and we are

feeling something about a present issue, let's do something about it,

so I built an advocacy model. I thought you meant right now. He is,

because, let me lead up to it, But not for us because we're

off to Annabelle's for We were going to drop

in at Lou Lous, where it's "Whose But the answer is always the same -

Nigel Farage - and Michael and I were worried we couldn't vouch

for Liz's safety, given the party's current

predilection for altercations. We'll leave you though

with George the Poet, and his song Search Party,

which is exactly Nighty night, don't let

UKIP's fisticuffs bite. Listen, if you are in any way

interested in the future of the world you've invested in, the

destiny of the place you now reside, after all the conventional powers

died, please consider walking down to our side. We can talk about the

wide and the north and south divide and of course the housing crisis

which are now in crisis. We hold discussions on property value and

how it rises and even when we don't have the answers we are happy to

direct you to where all the sound advice is. Our policies may not

always sound the nicest but you finally found a guy that's starting

to fight this. So as long as you want to be courageous, I promise

you, we are going to see some changes.

APPLAUSE. Good stuff, George. Thank you.