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# I'm finding I can fly so high above with you...# | :00:18. | :01:03. | |
Welcome to the final This Week of 2016. | :01:04. | :01:42. | |
And I have to tell you that it's been a bit of struggle because most | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
of the team have come down with the dreaded lurgy that's been | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
doing the rounds and some are really quite poorly. | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
A loyal viewer in Moscow, a Mr V Putin of Number Ten, The Kremlin, | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
took pity on our plight and kindly sent us some Russian | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
They did nothing for our influenza but three of the team can now run | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
100 metres in under ten seconds and the producer is competing in | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
Some of us think she should have been for the high jump years ago. | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
Anyway, I think a few of our little elves have been OD-ing | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
on the Russian stuff, because they've started | :02:19. | :02:19. | |
voting to leave the EU, David Cameron resigning as PM, | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
Theresa May becoming PM, Donald Trump becoming President | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
of the United States and the Western democracies standing by doing | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
nothing as the people of Aleppo are pummelled to death by a brutal | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
I have assured these poor deluded souls that they're | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
just hallucinating, having a bad dream, | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
and that none of these ridiculous things really happened in 2016. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Since then, they've been cowering in their boltholes, | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
sucking their thumbs and staring strangely at me. | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
But I'm sure they'll snap out of it by Christmas. | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
And speaking of the festive season, if Santa is watching, | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
Michael would like to withdraw that handwritten note he sent you up | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
the chimney last week asking for you to bring him a train set. | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
He's decided he'd be better off without it because it'll just lead | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
to family squabbles about who gets to close the bloody doors. | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
Anyway, to cheer us all up we decided to book ourselves | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
some nice carol singers, but they were on strike. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
# You want to stop talking # Why don't you give it a rest? | :03:22. | :03:39. | |
# You've got more rapid than Sainsbury's | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
# Time you got it off your chest # You were the kind of girl to break | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
my heart into # I knew it when I set my eyes on | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
you # But how was I to know you would | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
bend my holes, too? # With your incessant talking, | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
you're becoming a pest # Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit. # | :04:03. | :04:11. | |
Now, we're feeling extra festive this year, folks. | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
So much so that we're going to break our golden rule. | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
That's right, we want to hear from you. | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
means it's beginning to look a lot like Twelfies! | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
So, tweet us your festive selfies but remember you have to be seen | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
Our technology elves will be on hand to edit them into our end credits. | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
For a chance to get on our Christmas smorgasbord, | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
And, in the spirit of reaching out to those left out | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
in the cold of politics, we've lined our manger | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
with the finest political minds we could book at such short | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
I'm joined by our resident lambs to the slaughter, | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
Michael #sadmanonatrain Portillo and Alan #sadmanontheleft Johnson, | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
plus the twinkling Miranda #sheslovely Green, and by the SNP's | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
North Star, steadfast and shining bright as ever, John | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
Finally, we're joined by the only guests that really matter, | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
What a line-up. No money has been broken in this programme. Tell me, | :05:15. | :05:37. | |
moments of the year? Let me bank the election of Mr Trump and the Brexit | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
-- Brexit vote. What other big moment caught your eye? For years I | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
had to live with the morbid fear that Boris Johnson would be Prime | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
Minister. So the moment of the year for me was when he was dispatched by | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
Michael Gove. And I believe Michael Gove should be awarded an hereditary | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
dukedom for what he did. He certainly saved the country from | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
Boris being Prime Minister, a great moment in our history. A moment of | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
the year untouched by personal animus. Mine is the Hillsborough | :06:13. | :06:20. | |
enquiry. After a long fight, 30 years, people who had no power, no | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
influence, managed to succeed against forces of the state, whether | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
it is the press or the police, who covered up what was happening, or | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
fabricated what was happening. It was a great victory for those | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
families and their perseverance. Miranda Green. For me, it was | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
listening to Theresa May buzz my first conference speech as Prime | :06:44. | :06:51. | |
Minister. That is a bit like you. There you go. The moment when she | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
delivered the line, if you are a citizen of the world, you are a | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
citizen of nowhere. It seemed to capture this new spirit of trying to | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
patriotic recapture a swathe of voters who felt politics was not | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
listening to them. It seemed to encapsulated a moment where she | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
could win big if she can keep the coalition together, but that speech | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
contained lots that started to unravel and could go wrong, which | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
can happen on a wider scale as well. Did you take it as a personal attack | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
on yourself? I am a Londoner, born and bred, so I know where I am from. | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
I have no problem with my Pat Richards. Some people might think | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
that being pro-EU makes me an patriotic. It was just a tease! I | :07:39. | :07:48. | |
know. The obvious ones are Donald Trump and Brexit. Looking outside | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
politics for a second, I thought Andy Murray was a fabulous moment. I | :07:52. | :08:04. | |
like Andy Murray. Do you think he is Scottish, at all? Well spotted. No, | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
because he won, he is British. He has a charm, hasn't he? And he has | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
got so much criticism because he doesn't... He is not to him. He does | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
not have that Sutherlin, sweet... Tim was not exactly a laugh a | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
minute. The girls liked him on Henman Hill. I like Andy. There is a | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
charm about him and he is becoming a national treasure. | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
Now, as you know 2016 has been a pretty uneventful year, apart | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
from the high profile break up of Brangelina, which for poor | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
Michael brought memories of the Abbottillo split back | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
Since Diane left, Michael has been like a reindeer in the headlights, | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
the lost puppy of late night political chat, more lonely | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
So when we got the invitation to his Christmas party we were faced | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
in the Royal Mail strikes, or endure hours of endless conversation | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
about the 07.34 milk train from Bushey to Cheddington. | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
So, as ever, if we have to endure it, so do you. | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
See it as the replacement bus service of Christmas parties. | :09:12. | :09:24. | |
Welcome to the Question Time Christmas special. | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
It's the This Week Christmas Roundup. | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
It's been a trying 12 months at This Week Towers. | :09:30. | :09:44. | |
With the part-time team of five split down the middle over the great | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
Should Ed Balls have won Strictly Come Dancing? | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
So this year, Michael has invited the whole crew to his home | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
in Kensington and Chelsea, to bring everyone back together, | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
Remember, lads, don't give them too much of this good stuff, | :10:04. | :10:12. | |
Michael's even invited the neighbours. | :10:13. | :10:49. | |
Inside, the staff get to grips with their new roles. | :10:50. | :10:59. | |
Why am I relegated to this butler stuff? | :11:00. | :11:00. | |
I won, matey, I should be the toast of the ball. | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
It's about time you got a proper job. | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
You trust fund Tories are out on your ear. | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
Cut the whining and get back to Chipping Norton. | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
Oh, yeah, it's all gone swimmingly for you, hasn't it, mate? | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
Look here, if you hadn't voted for Corbyn... | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
Don't you realise the ladies are in charge now? | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
But after such a topsy-turvy year, not everyone's feeling festive. | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
I'm sorry, it's just that everything is so... | :11:28. | :11:39. | |
What do Santa's little helpers learn at school? | :11:40. | :11:49. | |
Honestly, it's worse than Prime Minister's Questions. | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
Everyone's getting a little bit tipsy, and no one wants to leave. | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
# Never going to give you up, never going to let you down...# | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Here's a song for all you bitter old Remainers. | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
Michael, will the decision to leave the EU, will it be historic, in the | :12:11. | :12:40. | |
sense of great, or historic in the sense of dreadful? I think in the | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
sense of great. I think the UK has been deeply unhappy in the European | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
Union for all the time it has been there. I think European Union | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
members on the continent and ourselves have wholly different | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
ambitions for Europe. We are better off divorced, going our separate | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
ways. I think great trouble lies ahead for Europe. The euro, | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
migration. I think we have probably left a sinking ship. A good | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
decision. Miranda. I suppose for people like me, hoping for a soft | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
Brexit, I am hoping it is not a historic moment, because I do not | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
want a clean break and I think that would be a huge mistake, so I am | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
hoping for something softer than a historical moment. Allen. Historic, | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
and I hope Michael is right but I doubt it. My fear is we will spend | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
every ounce of political capital and energy focused on this for a long | :13:38. | :13:45. | |
time. And in a sense, we are scrambling just to get back to where | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
we are now, in terms of trade deals and other things. It certainly | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
dominates. Every story is Brexit. The ex-head of the World Trade | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
Organisation said it would take five years. Anything other than that, | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
between 10-15 years. I think that is probably true. But in the end, let's | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
hope Michael is right and there is this brilliant future. John. It is a | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
terrible decision and I'm sad about it. It shows Britain at its worst, | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
narrow, parochial, suspicious of outsiders. I am terribly sorry it | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
happened. I hope Scotland remains in the European Union. I have lived in | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
England for a long time and I love it, and I think it will be a tragedy | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
for England. And Scotland, if it leaves. I certainly do not want to | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
see Scotland leave. I think it would be a bad move. The mood music out of | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
Brussels for Scottish politicians is so different from the reaction at | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
the time of the independence referendum, when they were the bad | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
boys who wanted to break up a unitary state. Now we are seen as | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
the good Europeans who want to stay. So I hope there is a reward for that | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
for us. We shall see. Not been a great year for Labour. Do things get | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
better or worse next year? I am tempted to say it cannot get | :15:03. | :15:16. | |
must -- much worse. In the absence of national elections next year, | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
unless there is a surprise, may give us time to get back on the front | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
foot. Certainly we have to decide, are we a party of government or are | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
we a party of protest? Fracking, somehow we are against this now. A | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
party of protest comes out and says we are against fracking. A party who | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
wants to be the next government is more cautious about these issues and | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
has an energy policy. My hope now Jeremy Corbyn will be there and | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
fight the next election. I want him to win and create the right climate. | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
How good the Prime Minister will Theresa May be? She is an | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
improvement on what went before. Yes, I thought the last Prime | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
Minister couldn't really see a corner without wanting to take it on | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
two wheels. Too many risks, too talkative and too many half baked | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
initiatives. Theresa May is keeping her own counsel. I don't expect her | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
to be a great Prime Minister, I only expect to have one great Prime | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
Minister in my lifetime. Tony Blair or Gordon Brown? I meant Margaret | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
Thatcher, how could you not see that. The Lib Dems have won a single | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
by-election in a posh, leafy London suburb. Not exactly the dawning of a | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
new age? No, but it is better than it has been for the last few years. | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
It is better to win by-elections than lose them? It is and it has | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
cheered everybody up. I have been sceptical that Jeremy Corbyn's | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
leadership of the Labour Party is a great opportunity for the Lib Dems. | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
But the Richmond by-election says it can be in isolated cases, picking up | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
seats and get the number of MPs back up again and having a national | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
platform. No doubt the Brexit vote gives the Lib Dems and opportunity. | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
Labour can only be pro-European and anti-Brexit. It makes you | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
distinctive at least? It is a clear position, which is an advantage over | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
the Labour Party at the moment. You talked about Scotland staying but | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
Britain voted as Britain to leave the EU. Support for Scottish | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
independence is unchanged since the last referendum, is it slipping | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
away? I don't think people have focused on what Brexit means. What | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
effect as it had on their daily lives, they have been abroad, apple | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
iPad 's cost more than they cost before, but I don't think people are | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
focused on it long-term. I think it will change. You have been around | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
politics long time, Andrew, you know where the direction of travel is | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
heading the huge turnaround. The way young people think about | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
independence... Young people get older and they often change their | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
views. What is interesting about that, the evidence is, as young | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
people get older, as people who have been persuaded of independents get | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
older, they don't change their minds on independence. The polls say they | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
stay committed to independence. You are still behind in the polls? We | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
are, but the last time we had a referendum, there was a 15% move. | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
But you are starting from a higher base this time. When is it going to | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
come? I don't know when it is going to come. I don't think any decision | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
has been reached on that. I am convinced independence will happen. | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
History shows that is the way the direction of travel is going, but we | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
don't have a date, as you know. Alan, what do you make of Miranda's | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
point the Lib Dems have a clear cut position on Brexit, they want a | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
second referendum on the deal, they would like to overturn and reverse | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
it. The Tories, by and large, in favour of Brexit. Labour, in between | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
and not so clear? I will be slightly contentious, the Lib Dems seem to be | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
saying, ignore the referendum result. With eight MPs and nothing | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
to lose, they might as well do that. Going back to a party of government, | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
we have got to bring back together the 52% and the 48%. Keir Starmer's | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
speech on Tuesday this week is very interesting, in the sense he is | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
saying, we have to tackle migration. Migration was the big issue. You | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
could feel the referendum slipping away from you from the time of those | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
ONS figures. Higher than ever before, even higher than when the | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
accession countries came in. Keir Starmer was saying, the government | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
has to forget this myth of getting net migration down to the tens of | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
thousands and Labour has to recognise that the migration is the | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
issue. Without something done on free movement, then we cannot get | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
the rest of the deal. The rest of the deal must be to aspire to stay | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
in the single market, to aspire to stay in the custom's union. Whether | :20:31. | :20:37. | |
it is achievable or not, that must be the objective. We voted, as a | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
country, to leave the EU on June the 23rd. It is almost December the | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
25th! Is there not a feeling among some of the Brexiteers, it is time | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
to get on with it? Yes, but they have been told for many months it | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
will be triggered in late March. It is still feasible. I wouldn't have | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
thought their impatience was so very great. It is a long time since he | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
thought it was any date before late March. She, the Prime Minister, by | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
not being clear of what she wants to do, she has created a vacuum. It is | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
not to her advantage? I have gone through this before. I don't think | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
she can say what are negotiating position is. It is a virtue that she | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
doesn't provide a running commentary. It was the advice from | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
her predecessor. I would rather have a bit of silence, possibly leaving a | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
bit of room for others to make mischief, then constantly setting up | :21:42. | :21:52. | |
Aunt Sally that can be knocked down. I have spoken to a lot of | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
Brexiteers, they want to get on with it. There is a limit as to how long | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
you can keep parroting this cliche, we're not giving a running | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
commentary because people think there is nothing happening that is | :22:06. | :22:13. | |
logical and orchestrated and the government is somewhat at sea. I | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
think this is going to be difficult. In my opinion there will be nothing | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
said for the next two and a half years. I think all the decisions we | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
have with jumped up European officials will mean nothing, it has | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
to be a political settlement. One of the parties of that settlement will | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
have to be the president of France, we have no idea who that is going to | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
be so people will have to be patient. Final thoughts, Miranda? I | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
agree with Michael are not giving a running commentary, but those cries | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
of betrayal will come and Theresa May has to compromise in some way | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
and then there will be cries of betrayal. We need to move on. | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
Now, it's late, running out of Blue Nun eggnog late. | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
But waiting in the wings to warm us all up is a man who makes | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
Father Christmas look like a cub scout. | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
Yes, Brian Blessed will be here with the This Week secret Santa. | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
And as we're feeling jolly, please share the Snapcheer, | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
put on your Fleecebook and get tinselly on Twitter. | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
And like the gift that keeps on taking, we go back | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
He seems to be the only ancient railway institution that refuses | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
to break down or go on strike, more's the pity. | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
Welcome back to the This Week party, where the celebrations | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
Well, Pienaar, you've got the VIP list remember it and good luck. | :23:38. | :23:47. | |
It's difficult sometimes now to recall who's who. | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
I'm still waiting for David Cameron, Hillary Clinton, Matteo Renzi, | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
Francois Hollande and I had to turn away some guy, blonde hair, | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
Just make sure you keep them both out, you hear? | :23:59. | :24:09. | |
Sir, do you think the chief is going to want me back again next year? | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
A great big, beautiful wall and Mrs Partridge at number 22 | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
Inside, everyone was playing a game of charades. | :24:20. | :24:28. | |
All right then, who am I am I, Rocher, Rocher. | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
I'm the new ambassador to Liechtenstein, Nigel Farage, silly. | :24:32. | :24:44. | |
Hang on a minute, there isn't even a British embassy in Liechtenstein. | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Donald Trump asked me to join his cabinet. | :24:49. | :25:00. | |
You didn't tell me we were going to have people around. | :25:01. | :25:12. | |
And Aled Jones too, what are you doing here? | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
Look, it's that lovely little fellow from The Snowman. | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
I once built a snowman at Everest base camp. | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
I called him Boris, because he melts away in the morning. | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
Right, who wants to join me in a spot of carol singing? | :25:27. | :25:36. | |
# Round, yon virgin mother and child. | :25:37. | :25:57. | |
Michael, you were one of the few people to predict Mr Trump's | :25:58. | :26:27. | |
victory. Give us one good reason why we should celebrate the fact it | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
happen? One good reason is we have a president of the United States who | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
understands Brexit. Low president of the United States has been able to | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
think about the European question before. They have taken it the | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
granted that Britain should be part of the European Union. When they | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
have seen France trying to undermine Nato constantly, harking on about | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
the idea of a European defence identity. They have not recognised | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
the danger to the institutions. The French ambition is to get France out | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
of Europe. At least Donald Trump recognises the shortcomings of the | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
European Union and supports us in our Brexit. Is it supported to have | :27:10. | :27:18. | |
a president in office who supports Brexit? The only good thing I can | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
think of is Nigel Farage might move to America as a result of Donald | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
Trump being elected. That would be very good, it would cheer me up. One | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
good thing? Life begins at 70, doesn't it? You are very | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
philosophical tonight. How long is it going to be before all the folk | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
who voted for him feel a real sense of betrayal? How about this as a | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
revolution for the little guy. Luckily is pointing to his cabinet, | :27:55. | :28:02. | |
rich, powerful white men. Similar to Eisenhower's cabinet in the 50s. He | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
presided over eight years of growth and two terms. Are you expecting | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
that from Donald Trump? I am not. I feel depressed over the prospects of | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
Donald Trump. America is in a different place than it was in the | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
50s. Wouldn't it be good if the electoral college rebelled and voted | :28:25. | :28:32. | |
against him. It is nice to dream at this time of year. One good reason? | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
If I am forced to find something to admire, I do think he has an uncanny | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
ability to communicate through the kind of, outwardly gobbledygook he | :28:44. | :28:52. | |
is saying. He gets to the heart of the issue and directs directly with | :28:53. | :29:01. | |
people. I think John's leader is very direct as well. If there is | :29:02. | :29:10. | |
something to learn from Trump and Nicola Sturgeon's success in the | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
SNP, if you look at the way they address crowds and the way they talk | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
in television interviews, they have some magic... I am not comparing the | :29:18. | :29:26. | |
two as politicians or even in their style of communication, but it is a | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
very powerful thing in politics. If you watch clips of Trump, the way he | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
gets simple messages across, it is a talent. It might be wise for the | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
First Minister to think about instead of ranting against Mr Trump, | :29:41. | :29:48. | |
what opportunities there is for somebody who is proud of having a | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
Scottish mother. I don't think she ranted. There is no evidence that | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
Trump is proud of having a Scottish mother. There is. I know people who | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
have spoken to him. He has only visited once. If I was proud of | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
having a Scottish mother I think I might go back to her home island | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
more than one in seven decades. Interestingly, he phoned her. He | :30:14. | :30:27. | |
initiated the phone call and he phoned her and had a substantial | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
chat with her. Can we take it for granted that Mr Putin will have a | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
good Christmas? Yes, and probably next Christmas and the Christmas | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
after that. Because? He has moved into a vacuum. As the Western powers | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
have held back, Putin has been in there. And with Trump being elected | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
in America, that strengthens his position as well. Do you get the | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
feeling the world feels a less secure place than at the beginning | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
of the year? It depends who you are. I am having quite a good evening | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
because I am realising how unhappy John is by everything that has | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
happened this year. That's the Christmas spirit! I revel in John's | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
unhappiness, says Michael. Mr Santer. I think, with the end of the | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
Syrian war, possibly security does take a step forward. It is not the | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
outcome that the British Foreign Office wanted. It is a very brutal | :31:37. | :31:43. | |
end. It has not ended yet. They have taken Aleppo but the rebels control | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
swathes of the country, including Islamic State. I think it is | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
substantially at an end. And now there is going to be this experiment | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
of Putin and Trump working together. I don't think it will be successful | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
in the medium term but it might make a difference in the short term. Does | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
the world feel more dangerous? I think so. I would not say it is the | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
end of Syria. I think the conditions in Syria and across the western | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
world, with the rise of right mache nihilism, are good conditions to | :32:17. | :32:27. | |
ferment more Islamic extremism. And French and German elections. | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
Exactly, divisions everywhere, which cannot add to security. We have had | :32:33. | :32:40. | |
Brexit, Trump's victory, Mr Renzi's defeat in Italy. Why do I get the | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
impression that the political establishment, of which I regard you | :32:46. | :32:53. | |
as part, still don't quite get it? Well, it's a problem, isn't it. Do | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
what -- to what extent do you feed the worst xenophobia. The Labour | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
Party has been down that route several times. I think that is the | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
wrong way to tackle this, because I don't think you win if you go down | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
that route. You would have no control on immigration? I think you | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
have to champion the virtues of Liberal democracy, of immigration, | :33:19. | :33:25. | |
certainly. So you haven't learned the lessons, really? I think the | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
lessons people are trying to learn the wrong lessons. The right lesson | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
would be the status quo, would it not? Certainly, there is something | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
for me to celebrate because we won a third election in a row in Scotland, | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
unprecedented, with a system designed to stop it happening. We | :33:47. | :33:53. | |
are keen to see immigration. You don't get much. Actually, it has | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
changed. When I go to Glasgow, you find a lot of people, especially | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
from Eastern Europe, who are coming to Scotland and we welcome them. I | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
will believe that when I see it. I don't think the establishment has | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
learned its lesson, despite the three whacks it took this year. Yes, | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
but where I agree with John is that we must not start ditching... I | :34:19. | :34:25. | |
disagree, I don't think there is anything progressive about mass | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
migration which needs to be controlled and people are worried, | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
not racist and xenophobic but worried about that and they would | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
like politicians to help. But we must not suddenly become enemies of | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
the value of migration. And we mustn't lose those Liberal values. | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
But you need to speak to people's concerns and it does not seem you | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
are doing that. In the last three weeks I have sat next to Ed Balls, | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
Liz Kendall and Alan Johnson and all three have told me they are in | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
favour of controlling immigration. I may not have known your positions | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
year by year, but that seems a big movement in the establishment. But | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
it is more than immigration. It is a sense of injustice among ordinary | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
wage earners, a sense that the people who created the crash of 2008 | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
got away with it, a sense that inequality is have got wider and | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
wider, that if you are a wage earner you have not done well, if you owned | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
a lot of assets, quantitative easing has made these assets are worth even | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
more, even though you have done nothing. As I grew up as a baby | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
boomer, we shared in growth. The feeling was that the economy was a | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
tool of society, and now people think it is the other way around. If | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
anything sums up the general trend for a lot of different issues this | :35:50. | :35:56. | |
year, it may be that. The problem for mainstream parties on the centre | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
right and centre left has been that as the public react to open door | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
immigration, react to growing inequalities, to a sense that | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
ordinary blue-collar workers are getting a raw deal, the mainstream | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
parties don't really have anything constructive to say to them. They | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
don't, because there has been a powerlessness about politics under | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
globalisation. So there has been a limit to what governments could do | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
to mitigate the effects of globalisation on those who have not | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
felt they have shared in the prosperity. That has been a problem. | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
Possibly also there has been a slight shrugging by the political | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
class about those who felt they did not share in it. They will not be | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
shrugging any more after this year. They will not be if Marine Le Pen | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
does well in the French elections. If that does not wake them up, | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
nothing will. Now, let's get more cockney | :36:52. | :36:52. | |
cheer from Chas Dave. # She was in a temper, pulling out | :36:53. | :37:06. | |
her hair # I don't care, I don't care if he | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
comes down here # If he comes around here | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
# Let the mother sorted out # I don't care if he comes down here | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
# I don't care, I don't care # I don't care if he comes around | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
here # If he comes around here | :37:30. | :37:39. | |
# I don't care if he comes round here. # | :37:40. | :37:47. | |
And back by popular demand, our resident Christmas Miracle Brian | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
Blessed has graced us with his presence. | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
I think he has some secret Santa gifts for us! | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
I do indeed. Hello, Michael, you are looking absolutely fetching. What a | :37:58. | :38:07. | |
marvellous waistcoat. He does dress beautifully. I voted you best actor | :38:08. | :38:19. | |
in that montage. I feel a star has been born. He flies beautifully, | :38:20. | :38:27. | |
almost as well as me. I think he was the star that fell to Earth. Merry | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
Christmas! And a happy new year. Don't feel you are neglected. I was | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
wondering when you were getting to this. I am getting to it in the end. | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
The Guardian. That fits Alan beautifully. I'm not sure about | :38:48. | :38:56. | |
that, but there we go. And the Daily Record. That must be John. My | :38:57. | :39:06. | |
favourite. The gorgeous Miranda. Something lovely in there. Michael, | :39:07. | :39:14. | |
we have not forgotten you. Thank you. Have we got one for Molly? | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
Hello, Molly. You can open the presents. You don't have to wait. | :39:23. | :39:31. | |
And Michael... The Financial Times. It's Andrew. Michael, there you are. | :39:32. | :39:43. | |
What was your moment of 2016? I don't agree with Michael at all. I | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
know nothing about politics. Michael is a wonderful Spaniard. Alan is | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
wonderful. John is wonderfully Scottish and probably supports | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
Celtic or Rangers. Miranda comes from the Tempest. Exactly what I | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
need. My moment of the year... Michael, doesn't that suit you? You | :40:10. | :40:18. | |
can wear that in Istanbul. That will go down well at Lulu 's. Your | :40:19. | :40:26. | |
moment. I am very touched by Trump, of course. You have been touched by | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
Trump? Half the American population has, so why should you lose out. He | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
knows how to raise his left hand beautifully. And when he said, Nigel | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
Farage, and Nigel Farage seemed to appear from around his bottom. Nigel | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
Farage came round to the front. That was the most moving moment of the | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
year. I think so. What is your hope for 2017? Something you have not | :40:55. | :41:01. | |
spotted. As you know, we are the children of stardust, yearning for | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
the stars. I do so much on the space programme. I got the shock of my | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
life. Did you know this? Trump is going to be a champion of space. He | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
is going to invest billions in Nasa and revise the space programme, | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
heading for the moon and Mars and beyond. Of course, I am a little boy | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
when it comes to space. We have to get out there. So he is already | :41:30. | :41:38. | |
planning his getaway. He came from planet Zog originally. He is an | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
alien immigrant. I will take him on my back, on my wings and fly him | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
there. So you like that, the way Kennedy did in the 1960s. It looks | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
like that. You have all been very serious and I am Father Christmas. I | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
am just saying... He should be playing for England. What was I | :42:04. | :42:12. | |
going to say about Trump. I cannot understand, Michael, at drama school | :42:13. | :42:20. | |
we had marvellous teachers, students from America, I met professors, I | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
have filmed with Nasser with a great scientist, the whole lot, brilliant | :42:27. | :42:36. | |
minds. At their best, the Americans can produce the most wonderful, | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
sophisticated people. How in hell 's name have they coughed this guy up? | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
Because America is divided. And remember, he lost the popular vote. | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
Elections are not fought on the popular vote, as you know. But it is | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
a mistake to think that America is united. I can speak with authority | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
in that I was married to an American for 16 years and my National Service | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
was with upper Heyford, an American base, so I got to know the American | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
mind. I once dined with the world heavyweight champion, Muhammad Ali, | :43:14. | :43:21. | |
so I know the American mind. As Churchill said, didn't he, we are | :43:22. | :43:30. | |
divided by a common language. And I think that is very penetrating. What | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
Churchill said was that in the end, the Americans usually end up doing | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
the right thing. They just take a long while to get round to it. When | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
every other option has been excluded. Tell me, as a man of hope | :43:44. | :43:51. | |
and resilience, what is your message to the British people for 2017? | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
Well, this Brexit always sounds like a chocolate biscuit, doesn't it? | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
It's a lovely chocolate biscuit. I love Kit Kat, but there you go. | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
Other biscuits are available. I am very old-fashioned in the fact that | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
I do believe in Britain. And I love Britain. I have been President of | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
the National parks. Our national parks are a huge success story. | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
Really to reflect. And the world admires since many ways. There are | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
Normans, Danes, Saxons, etc, Romans. We are such a wonderful... And Celts | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
as well. A wonderful mixed race. I think we're going to make it. I | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
think we are a sensational country, and I think we're going to do it. I | :44:47. | :44:54. | |
think we'll make it. Give me a thought for 2017. Hull, UK city of | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
culture. Preparing well for it. Michael. I think we will go through | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
the year recovering our confidence, feeling brighter about the future. | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
Because the uncertainty will begin to go when Brexit begins? Yes, the | :45:11. | :45:21. | |
moaning will die down. John. People are intrinsically good and it will | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
work out in the end. Miranda. I would agree with Brian that we are a | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
resilient bunch and we will find ways to adapt to anything. That's | :45:31. | :45:40. | |
it. I think so, Andrew. Will it be better than 2016? This has been a | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
strange year. It is fascinating, being a wonderful explorer like I | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
am. Michael is getting around the world now and taking the attention | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
on himself, which I don't like. I get very jealous. But his last | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
programme was sensational. But I feel adventure is the key to the new | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
millennium. And you like adventure. I do feel the government, when you | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
get to Anatolia, climbing Mount Ararat, you suddenly see Russia, | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
Georgia, Iran, Anatolia, they are all one country. That is an | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
extraordinary experience. They are not divided. There you are, said the | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
Turkish commander, there is Russia, Georgia, Iran, and here we are in | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
Turkey. And here we are, coming to the end of the year. I think we are | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
joined as people. Next year, we will have elections in Holland, probably | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
Italy, definitely France and definitely Germany. All of our | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
attention, because of the indications of Brexit for all that | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
and their own implications will be huge. At the same time, as we look | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
across the Channel, there will be the unfolding spectacle of the Trump | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
presidency which will demand our attention. Thank goodness I'm a | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
Gemini because you can look both ways. Hold up your present, let's | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
see what you got. It cost me a fortune. | :47:11. | :47:22. | |
Michael is winning everything. Merry Christmas to you. | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
Now, that's your lot for tonight folks, but not for us, | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
We're off to Lou Lou's where it's the Theresa May lederhosen night | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
and Michael's been looking forward to a bit of thigh-slapping all day. | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
We leave you with the only reason you stayed up this late | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
and our unique contribution to this most wonderful time of the year. | :47:41. | :47:49. | |
Nighty, night, don't let the This Week bah humbugs bite. | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
# Snooker loopy nuts are we # Me and him and them and me | :47:52. | :48:06. | |
# We'll show you what we can do with a load of balls and a snooker cue | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
# Pop the red sense grew back for the yellow, green, brown, pink, blue | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
and black # Snooker loopy nuts are we | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
# We are all Snooker loopy # Steve came so near to winning the | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
snooker crown # But he never got to put it on his | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
ginger nut because the black ball wouldn't go down | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
# His manager said sod that, but it helped him make his mind up | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
# He don't care who wins this year because he got the rest of the sign | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
up. # Snooker loopy nuts are we | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
# Me and him and him and me # We'll show you what we can do with | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
a load of balls and a snooker cue # Pop the red sense grew back for | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
the yellow, green, brown, blue, pink and black | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
# Snooker loopy nuts are we # We're all Snooker loopy | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
# Snooker loopy nuts are we # Me and him and him and me | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
# We'll show you what we can do with a load of balls and a snooker cue | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
# Pot the Reds and screw back for the yellow, green, blue, pink and | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
black # Snooker loopy nuts are we | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
# Me and him and him and me # We'll show you what we can do with | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
a load of balls and a snooker cue # Pot the Reds and screw back for | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
the yellow, green, blue, pink and black | :49:32. | :49:31. | |
# We're all Snooker loopy. # Let's make this the best | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
Christmas ever. If it's going to be my last | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
Christmas, we might as well make it one to | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
remember. | :49:50. | :49:52. |