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Tonight, This Week on Britain's got talent. They are all competing for

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your votes, but who will top the public poll in next week's final?

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Jeremy Corbyn? Theresa May? Tim Farron? Has Britain's media played a

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blinder? Akala thinks the act is a joke. The media do not have my vote,

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they have been biased and focused on personality over policy. Does

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Britain have talent? As the political act but in their final

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performances, it is almost time to pick a winner. And Lydia Bright is

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finding it all too emotional. I am so excited to be in the click, this

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is so much better than Towie. They are battling to keep their political

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dreams alive. I cannot believe this is happening. I do not want it to go

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on and on and on. 40 million votes soon to be cast, counted and

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verified, who will make it to the very top and win the key to number

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ten and an audience with Her Majesty the Queen?

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And I begin tonight with a defence of the Westminster bubble.

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Rightly or wrongly, the Westminster bubble has never

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At least, so it seemed when she called the election,

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enjoying a 20-point lead in the polls.

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But as the campaign has progressed, perhaps as folks got

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to know her a bit better, the views of voters

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and the much-maligned bubble became more aligned.

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Or so it would seem from the narrowing of the polls.

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Perhaps, for once, the bubble was ahead of the people.

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Of course, that doesn't mean she's going to lose.

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Margaret Thatcher had several serious wobbles in the 1987 campaign

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But as the campaign trail of 2017 has wended its often-tedious way,

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it's been clear that whereas Jeremy Corbyn has really

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started to enjoy himself, Mrs May has come to regard it

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as the political equivalent of Chinese water torture.

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There's one more week to go, or endure.

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The Westminster bubble still thinks Mrs May will be PM on June 9th,

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And even this defence of the bubble is not

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Speaking of those who've spent their whole lives in a bubble,

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largely because polite society thought it best, short of locking

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them up, I'm joined on the sofa tonight by two political glum

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buckets who could never be mistaken for a ray of sunshine.

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Think of them as the weak and wobbly of late-night political chat.

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I speak of course of Ed #DancingQueen Balls

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Your moment of the week? My moment. About our election, it was in

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France, when Emmanuel Macron through shade at Vladimir Putin. They were

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on the podium together, one of the criticisms has been that he is a boy

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wonder with no substance, but he took on Vladimir Putin and his

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machine direct, he criticised Sputnik, Russia Today for their

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interference in the Democratic process, and he is proving, contrary

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to some of the earlier predictions of him as an insubstantial creation,

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to be a formidable front rank politician. He has got off to an

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amazing start, it means he is ahead in the polls for the French assembly

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elections as well. It is amazing. A majority for a party that did not

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exist. It is remarkable that a party that did not exist a year ago is on

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course for if not a landslide... A tonne of seats. It was Monday night

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in the debate, Theresa May was not barracked or booed or haste, she was

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lost at by the audience, and that is a bad omen for any politician. You

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are right she will still be the Prime Minister after the election,

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the polls suggest that, but she went in inking this would strengthen her,

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and there is no doubt that was a big miscalculation, she is substantially

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weakened, and when the public openly laugh, that is bad for a politician.

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You have no idea what we would give for the public to laugh at us, we

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have been trying for years. Now, some of our regular viewers,

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that will be Jo and Dave from Southend, have complained that

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they're suffering Over two million people have

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registered to vote since Theresa May called this election,

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with registrations coming at a faster rate than before

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the Brexit referendum. This election will, after all,

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determine the future of our country. Of our security, our economy,

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our public services and, looming above it all,

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what Britain might Have the broadcasters,

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the newspapers, covered the issues properly whilst giving all those

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who aspire to be Prime Minister Here's poet and campaigner Akala

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with his take of the week. Until last week virtually the entire

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mainstream media predicted a landslide victory for the

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Conservatives and had written off Jeremy Corbyn as totally

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unelectable, but the Labour leader is outside the bubble, he speaks to

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many of my generation who came of age during the Iraq war, a period of

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lies by media and Government. We have often been written off as a

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political, that many people like me will be voting for the first time.

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Jeremy Corbyn has been subjected to personal attacks in the media,

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especially in the wake of the Manchester bombing, blasted as a

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shameless apologist for men of evil. But his recognition that the Iraq

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war help spread terrorism echoes the analysis of the intelligence

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services and even some Tories. The media lies have boosted his

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credibility. Similarly, the failure of

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journalists to properly probe Prime Minister about Britain's

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relationship with Saudi Arabia, even as they kill civilians in Yemen by

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bombs sold to them by British companies, or the proposed

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dismantling of the NHS has served to confirm that the media is indeed

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protecting the elite. Why is this surprising? A hugely

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disproportionate amount of senior figures within the British media

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went to the same private schools and universities as our senior

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politicians. Can they represent the radically diverging worldviews that

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exist within Britain? Much less the five billionaires that own an

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estimated 80% of British media. Last year a study ranked the British

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media of the most right wing of the major countries in Europe. Is it any

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surprise that the social policies that are considered normal and much

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of the continent are portrayed as left-wing lunacy here?

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No expense spared by the production team! Welcome to the programme. If

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the media is so biased against Jeremy Corbyn, why is he having such

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a good campaign? Partly because Theresa May has proved completely

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inept, she has called a snap election, her campaign has been all

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over the place, there has been a large social media presence, and at

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the Labour Party has gained momentum, the media has had to take

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them more seriously, the Pru awful wigs ago the tone of serious

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opposition. There at all. Many in the Labour Party thought that as

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well. If the media is full of Tory stooges, what about the polls now?

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They have seen a campaign that is inept, they have seen a manifesto

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that has been written off by -- as Marxist nonsense, but this is not

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even close, it contains many policies that are at a looking

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normal in some of the wealthiest countries in the world, and another

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manifesto that is completely un-costed. The media has told them

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it is on costed. I do not understand why the media has been so biased,

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the media has reported a lot of how bad Theresa May's campaign has been,

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that Jeremy Corbyn is having a better campaign than most people

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expected, than even he himself. If you add that together, I would have

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thought the media is doing its job. I don't know if I accept that. The

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media has had to take the candidate more seriously as the trends have

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changed, and it is people who have organised and shown their support

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and record youth registration that has come out has forced a change in

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tone and an attempt to treat this seriously. Have the media been

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biased against Jeremy Corbyn? He has faced some tough questions in the

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early period, and Theresa May has had some tough questions in the

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later period. When you think of David Cameron or George Osbourne

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when they were Prime Minister and Chancellor, or Theresa May, two they

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faced the questions Jeremy gets asked about what he was doing 30, 35

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years ago? The counter argument is it goes to questions of political

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judgment and character, the relationships he had and the people

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he dealt with. My argument comes back to this, one of the strengths

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of our society is we have an independent BBC, which is not owned

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by billionaires, and is trusted because it has always been objective

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and tough, the BBC has been tough on both sides in this campaign, quite a

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lot of Jeremy Corbyn supporters think the BBC is part of the elite

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establishment, but I am not sure it is right. Do you draw the

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distinction between the broadcasters and the newspapers? The newspapers

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have been much worse, but you make a point about Jeremy Corbyn facing

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tough questions about the past, why is the Prime Minister not facing

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tough questions about calibration ship with a country that is a fund

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of terrorism? We will see how it pans out, but the article in the

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Daily Mail suggested that the Manchester terrorist was not only

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allowed but facilitated in travelling to Libya to kill people

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and help overthrow Colonel Gaddafi and be let back into the country...

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It has been raised about Theresa May. I take the point. We'll be

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Prime Minister be grilled about that? What is wrong with grilling

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the Labour leader? Absolutely nothing, but I am asking now, we

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have trade relationships with a country that stands accused of

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terrorism now, not 34 years ago, and I do not see the same tone of

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questioning. I am not suggesting it is completely disparate, there are

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subtle differences that add up to massive differences. When a former

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politician gets the cover of the Evening Standard to save comrades

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Jeremy Corbyn flies the flag, that his adjectives, it is not critic of

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policy. It is not a Marxist manifesto. The Evening Standard is

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not exactly a cheerleader for the Prime Minister. I take the point.

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Maybe the newspapers do not matter as much anymore. They matter

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slightly less. One area where I disagree is that the media is not a

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monolith. Nobody is forced to consume newspapers or any particular

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type of media. There have been alternatives, and on the left there

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are websites, whatever I might think of them, they have a voice. There is

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a greater degree of clueless, and amongst some younger voters there is

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an enthusiasm for Jeremy Corbyn that is reflected in the media and less

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so in the mainstream media. But there are some tough questions that

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Jeremy has to face, and if you attend a meeting and call for a

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minute's silence for the IRA and for terrorists who have been killed,

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that is a big question. Imagine if Theresa May had called for silence.

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Like Cameron going to King Abdullah's funeral? There is a big

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difference between King Abdullah and the IRA. Imagine if somebody bidding

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to be Prime Minister had sought to honour the fascists of the BNP? You

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are flogging a dead horse. No, I'm talking about the dead people the

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IRA have killed, and the point is that the IRA was an organisation run

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on the basis of killing innocents and budding British soldiers in the

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line of fire, and Jeremy Corbyn wants to run this country, wants to

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lead our Armed Forces, and he dishonoured them and their memory by

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calling for a minutes silence. As we speak, the story has broken, which I

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want to see next week, if the Prime Minister is going to be facing tough

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questions about collaboration with known terrorist and visors. That is

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a story which is broken, so the Prime Minister should be asked it. I

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wouldn't ask a tough question if I didn't have any evidence to back it

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up. You can't just like about the question. Many media outlets have

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carried it. But without evidence. Then they should be sued for libel.

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I don't think there are going to sue the Daily Mail for libel. It isn't

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only the Daily Mail. These are tough questions for the Prime Minister. We

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have a relationship with Saudi Arabia and they are widely accused

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of supporting terrorism, that's not disputed. Is there any evidence that

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young people would write to Mr Corbyn in huge numbers? The YouGov

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organisation and the Times organisation have taken in Paul

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Dummett, but the difference between the pollsters is, the others are

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saying, if you didn't vote in the last election, we are going to issue

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in the end you won't turn out, whereas YouGov is taking a punt on

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greater turnout. We know from the numbers that, if young people under

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30 came out in large numbers, that would be a swing to labour. It's a

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big none -- a big unknown. I know that you hope it happens, but what

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is the evidence it will happen? I have been here many times before.

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I'm still dubious and I am aware we are quite a Conservative country.

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I'm not a particularly Labour supporter. My politics are more

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Green Party. Are you going to vote? Yes, because I think there is a

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significant difference between this party and the Tories. But in the

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last election he would have voted for the Green Party? Yes. The media

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coverage may or may not have been biased in the past week but it has

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done one thing, and it is a media campaign that has largely shunned

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it, it has rumbled Theresa May and shown her up to be a second division

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politician. Considering I stood in an election against Theresa May and

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she buried me, I have to acknowledge that would make me a Vauxhall

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conference level politician. I don't think we have that any more. The

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third division. There was not actually a vote. Has there been a

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worse Tory campaign in living memory? Yes, my one for the

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leadership. A general election campaign. Has there been a worse

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election campaign for the Tories in living memory? The critical thing is

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that you cannot judge a campaign until the end result. All sorts of

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people criticised the Leave campaign, and it ended up winning,

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but victory in the end will be the confirmation of how bad or well this

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campaign has been run. The 1997 campaign by the Conservatives had

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its moments which were portrayed as wobbles. Will victory for Theresa

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May proved to be as pyrrhic as victory in the Leave campaign was

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for you? I don't think it was pyrrhic, in the sense that, even

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though the outworking sledge to me no longer being in government, I am

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glad that Britain is leaving the EU. You will be back in ten days. Do you

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think not so badly off the media after tonight? It is not even

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necessarily that I think the Rob Lee of the media, in that I don't

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believe complete objectivity -- that I think terribly of the media. If I

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ran a news channel, it would naturally reflect some of my

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beliefs. So if you had similarly educated people from different

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backgrounds running the main institutions, even if they don't

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intend it, the outcome would be the same. I think that's one of your

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strongest point. Would you exclude this programme? I'll have to watch a

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few more episodes. So we have one more viewer.

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Now, it's late, naked-and-alone late, but if the idea

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of Jeremy Corbyn streaking through Brussels leaves you weak

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and wobbly at the knees, fear not, because waiting in the wings

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is Towie star and businesswoman Lydia Bright, here to put

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So, don't be a Faceboob, don't be a Twitter tit,

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please don't wear your Snapchaps, none of us want to

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Now, Jeremy Corbyn is obviously both hip and happening.

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Stormzy and others endorsed him in the viral Grime4Corbyn campaign,

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even my good friend Big Narstie told me that he was

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a gas dench buffting - which the This Week interns tell me

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After rapper JME, Captain Corbz has now appeared on the cover of edgy

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magazine NME, which he hopes will appeal to the youth vote.

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In fact, he's not the first Labour leader to appear

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on NME's front page - Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair

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and Ken Livingstone all featured and look how well it's served them!

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Comrade Corbyn can clearly look forward to a glorious legacy!

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Here's Andrew Rawnsley with his round up of the political week.

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Fiendish team is now batting. -- the English team is now batting. Oh, the

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British summer has finally arrived, and with it cricket, Mrs May's's

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favourite sport. Can you hear the clunk of leather on willow, or is

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that the sound of jaws dropping as they contemplate the state of the

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Tory campaign? The polls, for what they are worth, have been

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tightening, some in the team getting twitchy, and the captain, who sold

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herself as strong and stable, has looked uncertain at the crease. So

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in the final full week of play, they went back to their original game

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plan, which was to try and make it all about Brexit. Britain is about

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to enter into the most important negotiations of my lifetime. They

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begin just 11 days after polling day, and the European Union is

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already adopting an aggressive negotiating position. Jeremy

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Corbyn's minders can put him in a smart blue suit for an interview

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with Jeremy Paxman but, with his position on Brexit, he will find

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himself alone and naked in the negotiating chamber of the European

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Union. We know the Conservatives are getting a bit desperate, but really,

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trying to threaten us with the idea of the bearded one in the bath? Is

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there no scare tactic the Tories will not stick to? Captain May was

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on a sticky wicket when it came to U-turns and what that might mean

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when she faced fast bowling from the European 27. If I were sitting in

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Brussels and I were looking at you as the person I had to negotiate

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with, I'd think, she is a blowhard who collapses at the first sign of

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gunfire. APPLAUSE

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I've had a grandstand seat for a lot of big Test matches. One unusual

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thing about this campaign is how little of it has been about tax and

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spending, usually central to British elections. That seems to have made

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some of the players a bit casual in front of the wicket. On the day he

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launched his party's policy on childcare, Jeremy Corbyn visited

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woman's hour. Perhaps his coaches thought the Labour leader would face

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some easy bowling from a female interviewer. They were wrong. How

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much will it cost us to mock it will cost... It will obviously cost a lot

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to do so. We accept that. I have the figures. I do. We are making it

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universal and we will collect the money through corporate taxation.

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How much will it cost? I will give you the figure in a moment. You are

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logging into your iPad. It only one of the major commitment in his

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manifesto, not like he was forgetting anything important and,

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to be fair, the only reason the Tories don't forget the costings in

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their manifesto is because they are no costings. The Labour leader faced

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a lot of bouncers, about his attitude towards tourism. I

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obviously did meet people from Sinn Fein, as indeed I met people from

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other organisations. I have not spoken to the IRA. I have in the

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past, I often meet people from Sinn Fein. I did make contact with Sinn

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Fein when they were not allowed, the leadership was not allowed to travel

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to Britain. I wanted there to be a process. As for Shadow Home

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Secretary and maths prodigy Diane Abbott, she dismissed her record as

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ancient history. It was 34 years ago, I had a rather splendid Afro at

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the time. I don't have the same hairstyle I don't have the same

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views. It was 34 years on. The hairstyle has gone and some of the

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views of God. I speak to Tories who are ibid issues that this -- who are

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a bit baffled this hasn't done more damage. Perhaps that is the cost to

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a lot of younger voters this is history. Boris Johnson, remember

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him, long, shaggy, once a famous stroke maker and now usually to be

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found at silly mid-off. If he is to be found at all. Boris has been

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confined to the dressing room for most of the match, but he was

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briefly let out to attempt some wild sledging of Labour's representative.

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Are you going to stay in the single market? Yes. You know what our

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position is filled I voted to trigger Article 50. In or out,

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umpire? In or out? Mrs May gave herself out when the party leaders

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were invited to take part in the BBC debate. The Tory skipper decided

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she'd prefer to rest in the pavilion rather than make the case to the

:25:48.:25:50.

country. That didn't stop everybody else is talking about her. Tim

:25:51.:25:56.

Farron was quite witty about it. Where do you think Theresa May is

:25:57.:26:01.

tonight? Take a look out of your window, she might be out there,

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sizing up your house to pay for your social care, and what you think she

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called this election? She wants five years as Prime Minister and feast --

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she thinks you will give it to her no questions asked. She won't turn

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up to this debate because her campaign of sound bites is turning

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apart. Week and Rob Lee is where we are, not so much the Iron Lady is

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the U-turn queen. -- week and wobbly. I don't flip flop, I have

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always been, for example, a Brexiteer. The first will of

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leadership is to show up. You don't call a general election and say it's

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the most important election in her lifetime and then not even be

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bothered to come and debate the issues at stake. Time to stop play

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footy. This week has generously provided this hamper. No expense

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spared. Fancy a couple? -- fancy a tipple? The BBC debate was a lively

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affair despite the absence of the Tory captain, or maybe precisely

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because she wasn't there. Jeremy Corbyn made a late decision to turn

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up. The misrule difference between Labour and the Tories, the essential

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clash between their worldviews, was captured by this exchange between

:27:27.:27:28.

him and the Tory leader's sound in, Amber Rudd. I know there is no extra

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payment you don't want added to, no tax you don't want to rise, we have

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to concentrate resources on the people who need it most, and we have

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to stop thinking, as you do, that there is a magic money tree. Have

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you been to a food bank, have you seen people sleeping around

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outstations? APPLAUSE

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-- sleeping around our stations. Have you seen the levels of poverty

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that exist because of your government's conscious decisions on

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benefits? Who will be in, who will be out? The ultimate umpire, you,

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the voters, will deliver the verdict in just seven days.

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And with us now, the lovely, the delightful, Miranda Green.

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And the SNP's Tommy Sheppard, who reckons he's better looking,

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more charasmatic and funnier than his colleague, John Nicolson.

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We have never heard of him. Don't remember anything. Michael, this

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campaign has not gone exactly to plan for the Tories, is it? Go

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camping ever goes to plan. This hasn't just not gone to plan, it has

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been spectacularly off plan. Psion made an answer like Theresa May!

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The critical thing is that all others are attempting to make a

:28:54.:29:04.

judgment on the basis of what the Westminster bubble are saying.

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People love that they can write a narrative about the poll is

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narrowing, but we do not know which of the polls will be accurate, we

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have been in a position where polls have misled us, and many people who

:29:16.:29:19.

made predictions during the campaign about how it would turn out have

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shown they have egg on their face. The point you made is that some of

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the virtues that political commentators have are often the

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opposite of what the public appreciate. You surprised at how

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well Jeremy Corbyn is doing? Theresa May started in a strong position,

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and she has been exposed, Jeremy Corbyn started with people having

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written him off, people who have not seen him, often, having a

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caricature, and he has turned out to be able to perform in a way which

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makes him seem more reasonable. Theresa May looks like she cannot

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wait for it to come to an end. There are people who will vote Green or

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Ukip all Liberal Democrats who have come to Labour, there does not seem

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to be a lot of Labour/ Tory switching going on. The Tories have

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helped their position quite strongly. The third parties have

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gravitated to Labour. Jeremy has enjoyed it and do better than people

:30:23.:30:27.

expected, but the question is, can he get over the leadership hurdle he

:30:28.:30:31.

faces in comparison with Theresa May? If so, he is a contender. Is it

:30:32.:30:37.

more of a race than it was at the start? I think Theresa May is still

:30:38.:30:42.

the favourite, but it is not a foregone conclusion that it was. The

:30:43.:30:47.

idea of the Conservatives coming back with a stomping majority and

:30:48.:30:52.

the humiliation of the opposition does not seem to be on the cards.

:30:53.:30:57.

That was the hope at the beginning. Theresa May called the election to

:30:58.:31:01.

strengthen her hand, especially her control of the party, but it does

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not look as if it will turn out that way. I guess the real campaign will

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begin on June the 9th inside the party, because Theresa May is badly

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damaged. If she does not deliver the landslide majority. It looks like in

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England and Scotland in different ways we are back to 2-party

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politics. Absolutely. There is a definite feeling in both countries

:31:30.:31:34.

that people want a strong opposition, because the idea of

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1-party rule seems to have gone down badly, especially when the nation is

:31:40.:31:44.

in crisis, but that binary election is not the period of history we

:31:45.:31:47.

thought we were living through. We thought this was the beginning of

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pleural politics, close elections, but it is not the case. That might

:31:52.:31:57.

be an anomaly, because we are only a year away from the Brexit

:31:58.:32:03.

existential choice, and if this is the post-Brexit election, we might

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go back to something you wrote afterwards. Other brands are

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available. It seems that the third parties are being squeezed out. In

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Scotland it is the SNP and the Tories, who would have thought that?

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In England it is very much now Labour and Conservative. The battle

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in Scotland is between the SNP and the Conservatives. The SNP is under

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more threat in seats from the Conservatives than it is from

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Labour, although recent polls indicate that there is a battle

:32:36.:32:40.

going on for second place. The last poll yesterday had the Tories and

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Labour equal in Scotland, both on 25%. But I still think there is a

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strong chance the Conservatives will come second. Why have the

:32:51.:32:54.

Conservatives not make more of the economy in this election? The

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economic argument is linked to the Brexit argument. One of the

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essential questions is, who do you trust in the negotiations? If the

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right outcome is secured, the economy flourishes in a way that it

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would not if you ended up with a botched or a broken back deal. That

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has been central to the argument. The economy lies behind a number of

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the question that have been raised about the funding of Labour's

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proposals. The IFS said that while on a superficial level Labour can

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say increasing this tax will raise this amount of money, the dynamic

:33:35.:33:38.

effect will be to depress growth. The IFS has said that. The Tories

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have barely said that at all. For the first six and a half years of

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this Government's life, it was all about getting the deficit down,

:33:51.:33:54.

fiscal prudence, balancing or getting the public finances into

:33:55.:33:58.

better shape, and now because they are associated with George Osborne

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and David Cameron, Theresa May is running against them as well as

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Jeremy Corbyn. Just wait and see. I have been waiting and seeing. Having

:34:10.:34:16.

been inside some campaigns, one of the things I am aware of is that

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timing is all, and it is in the last few days that you deploy some of

:34:22.:34:24.

your strongest arguments, and I expect that more of a focus will be

:34:25.:34:30.

on the fundamental economic danger that Jeremy Corbyn poses. There has

:34:31.:34:37.

to be a vulnerability, but the Tories have not exploited it yet, it

:34:38.:34:41.

is at least a legitimate question to ask, could Jeremy Corbyn really

:34:42.:34:48.

raise the 50 billion for current spending by purely taxing the top 5%

:34:49.:34:54.

and business? There were some really challenging questions on manifesto

:34:55.:34:59.

day for Labour about whether the sums add up. The most interesting

:35:00.:35:04.

thing is how the Tories have been able to exploit this, and the reason

:35:05.:35:08.

is they are the first Government that I can remember which has not

:35:09.:35:13.

had a sound, solid position itself, to then go for them. When Theresa

:35:14.:35:19.

May says that Labour's plans do not add up, everybody yells, neither do

:35:20.:35:24.

yours. John McDonnell said the only numbers of the page numbers. The

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hard thing to read is that we know in the Brexit broke there was a big

:35:31.:35:35.

divide between young people and old people, but also between the cities

:35:36.:35:39.

and what is happening outside the cities, in the small towns where the

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marginal seats tend to be. For Labour, are they stacking up votes

:35:44.:35:50.

in the cities amongst Remain voters, or are they reaching into the

:35:51.:35:54.

marginal seats? If they are, they have a chance, but it is much

:35:55.:35:59.

tougher. The SNP is coming off an incredible high. Even if it loses

:36:00.:36:05.

some seats, and it probably will, nobody doubts they will still be

:36:06.:36:09.

clearly the biggest party in terms of seats. But why has Nicola

:36:10.:36:15.

Sturgeon's personal rating suffered so badly? I don't know that it has.

:36:16.:36:24.

They are down 18 points, she now has a negative rating of minus four. I

:36:25.:36:30.

do not know those figures. I meet people on the doorstep who say, I

:36:31.:36:34.

don't like Nicola Sturgeon, and I ask if they liked Alex Salmond, and

:36:35.:36:39.

they did not. People transfer and attitude onto the leader of the

:36:40.:36:42.

party, which is a proxy for the fact that they do not like the party. The

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party is polling better than the leader. Nicola Sturgeon is a very

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strong asset for the SNP, she has been front and centre of the

:36:53.:36:54.

campaign in every part of the country. Is it partly because she

:36:55.:37:00.

may have misjudged the mood of the Scottish people? She thought that

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the Brexit vote was going to increase the appetite for

:37:04.:37:08.

independents and for a second referendum, but there is no evidence

:37:09.:37:11.

that it has, on either of these cases. There was evidence that

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Brexit has changed minds, that has been in both directions. There is a

:37:18.:37:24.

churn going on in public opinion. But the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon have

:37:25.:37:28.

said that we need to have a choice in Scotland on whether the Brexit

:37:29.:37:41.

deal is what they voted for on -- in 2014 or not. But that is after what

:37:42.:37:46.

we know what the Brexit deal is. The Conservatives have been fighting a

:37:47.:37:49.

single issue in Scotland, only on independence. They hope to wrap the

:37:50.:37:58.

Unionist vote around them. They are trying to coalesce the anti-SNP vote

:37:59.:38:02.

around them. There is a bit of evidence, especially with older

:38:03.:38:07.

voters, that there is some transferrin from Labour to the good

:38:08.:38:11.

server tips, that it is one of two points, not enough to sweep it. The

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opposite effect may happen with the younger demographic. The Lib Dems

:38:18.:38:21.

are coming off a low base. If you look at the Labour Party being run

:38:22.:38:29.

by a proud socialist, from the left of the Labour Party the Liberal

:38:30.:38:36.

Democrats think that is a is going an extreme Brexit, the Liberal

:38:37.:38:41.

Democrats cannot make breakthrough in that environment, when could

:38:42.:38:46.

they? That would be the case if having a large space to occupy in

:38:47.:38:49.

the national debate was the same thing as winning seats on the first

:38:50.:38:54.

past the post. Especially in an election where it has become very

:38:55.:38:57.

polarised and binary. They are in a difficult position. A bit like the

:38:58.:39:03.

SNP in Scotland,, sing another referendum is not going down too

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well. Even among Akala voters. If this election had come in 2020, the

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vote -- the message may have done differently, but people are not

:39:18.:39:21.

welcoming it, other than in those urban, heavenly Remain areas. It is

:39:22.:39:26.

a difficult election for them, they have not been able to take advantage

:39:27.:39:30.

of what seems like a great opportunity, but it is more of the

:39:31.:39:35.

squeeze that you usually get. Has the messenger rather than the

:39:36.:39:41.

message? I think it always helps if a small party has a leader that is

:39:42.:39:44.

more popular and a larger figure than the party itself, even back to

:39:45.:39:49.

David steel that was the case, he was the most popular politician in

:39:50.:39:55.

the country, ... He is not in that position at the moment. But after

:39:56.:40:02.

the election... Derek organ has not been humiliated, he will, very

:40:03.:40:07.

strong, so it does not look like the moderate wing of Labour will be able

:40:08.:40:11.

to take over again, and if you have the Lib Dems up a cue seats, the

:40:12.:40:15.

Labour moderates do not know what to do, we might have our Emmanuel

:40:16.:40:19.

Macron moment. Depending on the result of Jeremy Corbyn, the polls

:40:20.:40:24.

are pulling in different directions, but what happens is -- what matters

:40:25.:40:29.

is what happens on polling day, and the Tories will hope their vote will

:40:30.:40:34.

be golden eyes. In my lifetime, you have had a Liberal Democrat leader

:40:35.:40:40.

who has surged through, grown in popularity, it is to happen to

:40:41.:40:44.

Charles Canady and Nick Clegg, but this time that does not seem to have

:40:45.:40:49.

happened. If Theresa May does not increase their majority, or if she

:40:50.:40:54.

has a smaller majority, or if she only ends up as the largest party,

:40:55.:40:59.

she is below the water line. She could not survive. She called an

:41:00.:41:07.

election and effectively lost it. Post. -- she is toast. Without the

:41:08.:41:25.

butter! You should lay into her! A brief final point, or should we just

:41:26.:41:31.

laughed? My endorsement is not necessarily a good thing! But this

:41:32.:41:36.

is speculation, she will increase her majority, and everyone thinks

:41:37.:41:44.

so. I have been used to having my questions answered, so we will move

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on. Now, if you believe the pollsters

:41:46.:41:48.

like YouGov, whose election predictions are the envy

:41:49.:41:50.

of Horoscopes Quarterly, then Theresa May could end up

:41:51.:41:55.

with one almighty egg This has prompted a round of frantic

:41:56.:41:59.

finger wagging at Tory HQ, with many blaming Team May's Downing Street

:42:00.:42:06.

insiders for incompetence, which means they're well qualified

:42:07.:42:12.

to join the This Week team should they get the boot after next week,

:42:13.:42:15.

provided they bring their own In anticipation of their imminent

:42:16.:42:18.

arrival, we're putting cliques MUSIC: Down With The Clique

:42:19.:42:26.

by Aaliyah. Some say Theresa May's

:42:27.:42:46.

general election campaign has been self obsessed,

:42:47.:42:48.

focusing on herself and her clique. Every vote for me and my local

:42:49.:42:53.

candidates in this election will strengthen my hand

:42:54.:42:57.

when I negotiate for Every vote for me and my local

:42:58.:42:59.

candidates will be a vote for five years of strong and stable

:43:00.:43:05.

leadership, to see us But Jezza says this election isn't

:43:06.:43:08.

just about him and his Corbynistas. What we seem to be struggling

:43:09.:43:15.

with here is an understanding of a process that brings

:43:16.:43:18.

about a manifesto. No, what we've struggled

:43:19.:43:20.

here with is... That's why I was elected

:43:21.:43:22.

leader of our party, to give a voice to the members

:43:23.:43:25.

and those that are However, he still had time to bond

:43:26.:43:28.

with his gang over a posh crisp Meanwhile, our continental friends

:43:29.:43:35.

seem to want a smaller, TRANSLATION: We Europeans must

:43:36.:43:44.

really take our fate into our own hands -

:43:45.:43:50.

of course, in friendship with the United States of America,

:43:51.:43:53.

in friendship with Great Britain, but we have to know that we must

:43:54.:43:57.

fight for our own future on our own. Apparently, you have to be

:43:58.:44:04.

part of Trump's clique The President and a small

:44:05.:44:09.

group of people know Lydia Bright, star of

:44:10.:44:13.

The Only Way Is Essex, Fingers and toes

:44:14.:44:22.

crossed, you love it. So is it worth being

:44:23.:44:26.

in with the in crowd? Welcome to the programme. Thank you.

:44:27.:44:46.

Is everybody in some kind of clique? Is TOWIE a clique? I think that

:44:47.:44:50.

cliques naturally form in all of society. It basically to me means a

:44:51.:44:55.

friendship group, and I think that happens either because we are forced

:44:56.:44:59.

together, whether in a workplace or growing up and being at school or

:45:00.:45:03.

being in the same area, or because of a common interest, same morals,

:45:04.:45:08.

and cliques are just friendships, and they are everywhere, really, and

:45:09.:45:11.

we see them in politics and everyday life. We all have some form of a

:45:12.:45:19.

clique. What can you say almost as if people are forced to join, so it

:45:20.:45:23.

isn't as if people say they are going to join, circumstances can put

:45:24.:45:27.

you into one. Evidently, like when you are in the workplace, you have

:45:28.:45:33.

to be surrounded by those people, so sometimes you feel pressurised

:45:34.:45:38.

really to form some sort of a clique, some sort of a support

:45:39.:45:41.

network, so I think it isn't always choice. Sometimes you push into it

:45:42.:45:48.

because of your environment. Does politics look a bit creepy to you?

:45:49.:45:53.

Yes, there are cliques within politics to you. -- does it look a

:45:54.:46:01.

bit cliquey. It can be positive, because all leaders need advisers to

:46:02.:46:05.

help them with decision-making, but sometimes if the clique is too

:46:06.:46:10.

small, the decision can be narrowed. You can isolate yourself and maybe

:46:11.:46:13.

take on the opinions of too few people. I think the broader your

:46:14.:46:20.

clique, if you integrate, like with Theresa May, if you integrate the

:46:21.:46:24.

cabinet more within your decision-making, you are going to

:46:25.:46:28.

make a more rounded decision, taking on the viewpoints of more people.

:46:29.:46:32.

Which is precisely the criticism of the Tory manifesto, which was

:46:33.:46:37.

decided by a clique, indeed, the cabinet on its way to the launch of

:46:38.:46:42.

the manifesto didn't have much of a clue what was in it. I have never

:46:43.:46:47.

seen a manifesto crowd sourced. Is the cabinet a crowd? No, but the

:46:48.:46:54.

truth is that all manifestos... This one had involvement from individuals

:46:55.:46:58.

in the cabinet, like previous ones. On the way up and the charabanc or

:46:59.:47:02.

whatever it was they were in, they were asking each other, do you know

:47:03.:47:09.

what is in it? It was done by a clique. It interesting that the

:47:10.:47:16.

social care proposal was put forward by people in the cabinet and agreed

:47:17.:47:21.

by people in the cabinet, but I was in the cabinet, unbelievably, in

:47:22.:47:24.

2015 and I remember being on the bus to Swindon at the time looking at

:47:25.:47:29.

the manifesto, some of it familiar, other bits, I was thinking, it looks

:47:30.:47:35.

like a good idea. Is there a club in clique? I think there is because in

:47:36.:47:40.

politics you will always have cliques. -- is there a Jeremy Corbyn

:47:41.:47:44.

clique. Is it them coming together because they are old friends, they

:47:45.:47:50.

have a common view of the world, or because it's about not being the

:47:51.:47:52.

outsiders, against somebody else, and the danger in Number Ten is,

:47:53.:47:59.

around Theresa May, they are defining themselves against people

:48:00.:48:03.

who they saw on the other side within the Conservative Party. When

:48:04.:48:07.

it was Cameron and Osborne. And even in this cabinet it looks like the

:48:08.:48:13.

look Osborne is pushed out. As a Prime Minister, you need to involve,

:48:14.:48:17.

and if it becomes cliquey and excluded, that's dangerous. Have you

:48:18.:48:24.

changed cliques? Naturally throughout life, you change your

:48:25.:48:28.

cliques and you meet new people. I think it's important that you have

:48:29.:48:32.

support around you. You need people that can advise you and support your

:48:33.:48:36.

decision-making, but ultimately you can't be too subjected, to a

:48:37.:48:43.

specific clique, because then your views will always be narrowed. And

:48:44.:48:49.

you almost get brainwashed by only their views. I think that's what

:48:50.:48:53.

we've seen. This is all what's happened. What are you up to? Are

:48:54.:48:58.

you doing more TOWIE? I am believing that behind, focusing on a new

:48:59.:49:06.

project, so I've got a book I'd which is exciting. -- I am believing

:49:07.:49:12.

that behind. Michael Gove has moved on, don't know what to, but he has

:49:13.:49:17.

moved on. I'm going to say goodbye to my clique. There you go, he is

:49:18.:49:26.

free. Still be no offers, even if he is free.

:49:27.:49:27.

That's your lot tonight, folks, but not for us.

:49:28.:49:29.

We're off to LouLou's for Donald Trump's toasty

:49:30.:49:31.

The Donald has hired a fleet of Range Rovers

:49:32.:49:34.

to ferry us all over London, and all our drinks will be

:49:35.:49:37.

He specifically asked for Michael and Ed to be

:49:38.:49:40.

there so that we could get as much hot air in the room as possible.

:49:41.:49:44.

Nighty night, don't let these tropical animals that will soon be

:49:45.:49:49.

-- don't let the Farage fake news bite.

:49:50.:50:46.

If ever I saw a story that qualified for fake news, this is it.

:50:47.:51:03.

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