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please tune in to Newsnight on BBC Two, or any Question | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
Has normal broadcasting been restored? | :00:42. | :00:52. | |
Are we talking about divided Britain? | :00:53. | :01:10. | |
We're very sorry if you've just joined us, but This | :01:11. | :01:30. | |
What is this, the British Vacuum Broadcasting Corporation? | :01:31. | :01:40. | |
We're hoping normal service will be resumed shortly. | :01:41. | :01:49. | |
Tomorrow is the first anniversary of the referendum on our membership | :01:50. | :02:14. | |
Of course we voted to Remain, as most of us in the mainstream | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
A few months later Hillary Clinton became the first female President | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
As David Cameron reaches the mid-point of his second | :02:27. | :02:35. | |
five-year term there's talk of who the next Tory | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
I hear some of you touting the virtues of Theresa May. | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
It's as likely as Jeremy Corbyn giving the Tories a run | :02:42. | :02:51. | |
for their money in a general election and putting himself | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
in pole position to be the next Prime Minister. | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
And that's obviously loony-left fantasyland. | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
Next thing you'll be telling me the Tories are making | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
Yes it's been a quiet, uneventful, even dull 12 months. | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
Which is probably why we've become so susceptible to scare | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
I see some unscrupulous folk trying to stir up trouble by claiming we're | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
re-cladding council blocks in flammable material. | :03:17. | :03:17. | |
With all the building rules and regulations? | :03:18. | :03:25. | |
You probably think these council blocks don't have | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
Speaking of those whose judgement has been consistently wrong | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
since they came into this world, I'm joined on the sofa tonight | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
by two failed politicians who reinvented themselves as failed | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
pundits and who wouldn't have two pennies to rub together if it wasn't | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
for the misplaced generosity of BBC licence payers. | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
I speak of course of Alan #sadmanontheleft Johnson and Michael | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
Michael, your moment of the week. There's a lot of truth in what you | :03:54. | :04:09. | |
have just said. I was pleased to see the Prime Minister do something | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
well, the offer to EU citizens who have lived here five years to have a | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
settled status. But the decisive moment of the week was any moment | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
that Philip Hammond spoke and set out a very different vision of what | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
Brexit is going to be from what I take to be the official position of | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
the Government. So now we are talking about transitional | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
arrangements lasting for a long period. I think we are seeing a | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
transition from a hard disk and see the Brexit towards the softest. And | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
I would think that change will be apparent before the winter. I will | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
come back to that later in the programme and ask some questions. | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
Your moment? Interview yesterday with Boris Johnson, not because of | :04:53. | :05:00. | |
Boris messing it up, but the salience of the questioning, because | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
Theresa May's speech on the doorstep of Number Ten was striking almost a | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
year ago, and "Burning injustice" which has taken on a new meaning | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
after Grenfell Tower, she said the burning injustice of someone who is | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
poor dying on average nine years earlier than someone who is not. I | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
have searched since then post thing she has done about that and the | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
Queen 's speech was a star to do that. She could have said, I would | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
chair a Cabinet subcommittee because health and equality covers | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
seminarians, but nothing. So the assumption is that it was just | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
rhetoric. I will come back to that, too. | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
Westminster, Manchester, London Bridge, Finsbury | :05:39. | :05:39. | |
These have been testing, tragic times for Britain. | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
A time, you might think, for firm but fair political | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
But instead the election has only added to the uncertainty and created | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
new divisions and weakness from the top down. | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
In a troubled and perhaps increasingly divided society | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
we have a political system struggling to cope | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Here's businesswoman, wannabe politician and former | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
Apprentice winner Michelle Dewberry with her take of the week. | :06:02. | :06:14. | |
The political climate in Britain is worryingly heated. | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
Divided we stand on issues like Brexit, the future | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
of the union, and in terms of age, affluence, religion and ethnicity. | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
My fear, particularly with terrorists, activists | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
and political leaders seeking to exploit difference, | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
Yesterday, we were promised a day of rage in London. | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
It was organised to protest against the democratically elected | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
government, but its scope widened because of the Grenfell tragedy. | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
OK, so the rage didn't boil over this time, | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
but the threat of hard left activists donning their balaclavas | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
is not constructive, and neither is Labour's solutions | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
It's true, Theresa May made mistakes in handling Grenfell, | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
but a public lynching is not the answer. | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
Unity in finding solutions, finding resources, and Unity | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
But also unity in making sure this will never happen again. | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
Most of us want the same things in life, regardless | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
So why can't we get past poisonous party politics? | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
I stood as an independent candidate in Hull and I had volunteers | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
I received a shocking amount of abuse from Labour left supporters. | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
I always regarded this country is a place respectful of alternate | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
views, but now it feels bitter and divided. | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
One of the problems is that so many people feel ignored | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
and unrepresented by our system, but this didn't start with Brexit. | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
In fact, I'd say that the referendum was in part a consequence of this. | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
If we must stick with party politics, then we need | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
Left to me, I'd do away with the entire party and political | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
system and have a parliament filled with independents. | :08:19. | :08:34. | |
Our thanks to Flat Iron Square in Borough London. | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
Allen, are we really that divided? In the face of multiple terrorist | :08:38. | :08:51. | |
attacks in quick succession, you could argue that our resolve and | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
unity has been remarkable. I was thinking that when Michelle talked | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
about the reaction to Grenfell. That day over age, they are entitled to | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
do their marching. But of course, the families and the church which | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
was doing a lot of the work, they didn't want anything to do with | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
that. I think in general, whilst I agree with the conclusion at the end | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
because I have always been in favour of PR, I do not agree with | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
independent candidates making things better. You had a good run in my old | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
constituency where you come from. There have always been independent | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
candidates standing but the problem is that the public do not know what | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
they are going to do. You do not get a manifesto, you do not get the | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
opportunity to shape what you want and actually make the MP accountable | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
for their party position. I think you would find it very difficult to | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
have a house full of independent candidates. How divided are we, | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
given our reaction to the terrorist attacks, which seemed to bring the | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
country together? Look at the imam in Finsbury Park, in saving big eye | :09:57. | :10:04. | |
who had just tried to mow them down, and the surrounding community | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
response at Grenfell Tower, everybody coming together, that is | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
the best of British. That is wonderful. When I see those | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
individual responses I think it is excellent but that is not | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
representative of what is going on. They are individual things. We are | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
divided, we are abusive, we are conflicted, and I do believe that | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
party politics plays a part in that. I feel that too many people... If | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
you think of the main political parties, we are playing top Trumps. | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
What happens in an election is that parties say, I will give you ?1 if | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
you vote for me. She has promised ?1. I will give you ?2. ?2 plus an | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
ice cream. We are getting out of control. People feel unrepresented, | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
politically homeless and it is time for change. Maybe leadership is the | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
problem, Michael. Mrs May talks a lot about burning injustice but she | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
does not do anything about it, nothing in the Queen's speech. Mr | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
Corbyn, certainly a lot of the people around him, including John | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
McDonnell, they seem more interested in dividing than uniting. Maybe | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
there is a leadership problem. Yes, I think there is. Mrs May was doing | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
very well when she appeared on the steps of Downing Street and talked | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
about burning social injustices and wanting to do something about them. | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
One of the reasons I think she did well was that people thought, she is | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
not just another Tory, this is a new language. They thought it about | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
David Cameron when he introduced same-sex marriage, this is not just | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
another Tory. In summary, what happened during the general election | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
was that, as none of that rhetoric was followed through, and as the | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
election drifted onto grammar schools and fox-hunting, and as many | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
of her interviews were rather vacuous and defensive, people | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
suddenly thought, she is just another Tory. And I think that is | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
the great challenge for the Conservative Party. How to find | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
someone to lead it who will not look like just another Tory. We can all | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
agree that her actions will never come near the rhetoric. That is | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
pretty clear. But if you take Mr Corbyn or John McDonnell, why | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
encourage people to take to the streets when the police are already | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
stretched to the limit? To be fair to John McDonnell, he made the | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
announcement before Grenfell Tower. I'm not sure he has pulled it back, | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
though. But he made it before Grenfell Tower, so it was not | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
linked. There is division in society and Grenfell Tower showed it. There | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
are some obscene statistics. Michael Wilner because it is his | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
constituency, and I was born in North Kensington, you can get the | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
statistics between North and south Kensington and there is a huge gap | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
in mortality rates, and there is a real issue to be tackled there. But | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
Mrs May's rhetoric, if you remember when she announced the election, she | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
said, the country is united but Westminster is divided. That was | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
their reason for having a general election. Of course the country | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
wasn't United. I don't think it's about the reaction to terrorism. I | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
think it was about Europe. It was about David Cameron's adventure of | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
having a referendum on Europe when we didn't need to, and another | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
gamble of Theresa May going to the country when she didn't need to. But | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
the referendum only happened as a consequence of people feeling | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
completely unrepresented and not listened to. That might be the | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
result, but not having the referendum. You think it was the | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
cause? I feel too many people for too long are not represented in | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
Parliament. And I feel that the Brexit referendum was one of the | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
consequences of that. I always use the term "Politically homeless", | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
"Political top Trumps". What does that mean? Parties promise. Parties | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
number one will promise ?1, party number two will promise to pounce. | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
But there is no democracy in the world without political parties. | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
Maybe there should be. People have tried, the Americans tried. George | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
Washington did not want political parties when he became the first | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
President and within eight years, America had political parties. They | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
reflect the divisions, aspirations of society. But why is it OK for | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
political parties to promise us the world? What happens is that they sit | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
down and work out, how can I win an election, who do I want to appeal | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
to? I want to appeal to the elderly, here are my promises for you... That | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
is how political parties operate. Please let me finish my point | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
because the reality is that you make these promises and it is top Trumps, | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
trying to outdo each other, and then you let people down. So you get into | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
power, and you cannot follow through with what you have offered people. | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
On this election, more people return to the two main parties. If you were | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
right, people would be looking for independent candidates. Theresa May | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
said for a lot of people did not want to hear. Labour can't deliver | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
what they promised. You know they can't. The Conservative Party | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
actually did come out with a manifesto that took on some | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
difficult issues. And then ran away from it. | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
Michael, you wanted to make a point. There is a problem with democracy | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
everywhere which is that the parties are thrown into competition with | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
each other to over-promise and the result of all that is not only that | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
people are disappointed but it can only be done by sit financing so | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
that debts accumulate and are passed down to future generations. It's the | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
single greatest flaw with democracy. I do become slightly impatient with | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
the idea that people feel unrepresented. I mean, they've had | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
many occasions to vote recently and they've made enormously important | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
decisions, you know, that Scotland shouldn't become independent, they | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
shouldn't change the voting system. Now that we should have a hung | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
Parliament. I mean, you know, there is no reason why people should feel | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
unrepresentative. They have made important decisions. People feel | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
there is a sense of incompetence as well. We are a country, we are awash | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
with safety regulations yet we couldn't forbid combustible cladding | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
on buildings, or insist on fire sprinklers in blocks. I mean it's | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
not that difficult to do any of that, and Mrs May admitted that | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
there was an inadequate response to Grenfell Tower. This happened in the | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
heart of the richest, sophisticated, biggest, best resourced City in | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
Europe. Why was the response inadequate? I think people are angry | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
at this? Yes, but hold on, so what happened in Grenfell was a tragedy, | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
it was awful, everybody would agree with that. What I'm disgusted by is | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
the political point-scoring, so all of a sudden it's become Theresa | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
May's fault or it's become this person's fault, that person's fault. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
What's happened in Grenfell is an absolute systemic and long-term | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
failing from various different Governments, councils, bodies, | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
regulatory figures. This should never have happened. It's not a | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
single party's fault. And what's happening though Andrew is that | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
people are jumping on it and using it to create divide. It's absolutely | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
wrong. And what I would hope is that we have unity in going forward to | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
never again let this happen ever. This is not the first tower block | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
that's burnt. Lessons should have been learnt a very long time ago and | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
they were not. OK. We shall see if the lessons are learnt this time. | :18:10. | :18:10. | |
Thank you. Now, it's late, death metal | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
serenades with Ed Miliband late. Which means we're not the only | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
broadcasting niche that antiquated political relics can turn | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
to when their careers But if Red Ed's venture into not-so | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
popular music leaves you desperately reaching for your Blue Nun, | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
fear not, because waiting in the wings is columnist | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
Melanie Phillips here to but the Anglosphere | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
in our Spotlight. So be a proper FaceBrit, | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
Snapchant the national anthem and tweet all the internets you can, | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
after all, we invented them. Now, like all of you, I'm sure, | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
we were really looking forward Michael couldn't wait | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
for Theresa May's greatest hits being wheeled out for the state | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
opening of Parliament. Grammar schools, the Energy cap, Fox | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
hunting, scrapping the triple lock, social care reform and, | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
of course, welcoming Alan even volunteered to hold | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
the Donald's hand if he were to ever Unable to command a majority | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
and secure a deal with the DUP, Theresa May was reduced | :19:04. | :19:14. | |
to announcing a rather Here's Richard Madeley with his | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
Round up of the political week. The week began with yet another | :19:17. | :19:28. | |
appalling terror attack, this time A van drove into a group of Muslims | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
congregated close to a mosque in Finsbury Park North London, | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
left one man dead, two The Prime Minister heavily | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
criticised a few days earlier, for failing to go and meet | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
with the victims and survivors of the Grenfell Tower | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
disaster, wasted no time. There is no place for this hatred | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
in our country today and we need to work together as one society, | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
as one community, to drive it out, this evil that is | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
affecting so many families. The local MP, and of course | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn, An attack on a mosque, | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
synagogue, church, is actually We have to protect each other's | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
faith, each other's way of life. That's what makes us a strong | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
society and community. The main event of the political week | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
was the Queen's speech. I was already in my best bib | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
and tucker and even dusted Apparently, Alan's been using this | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
to store twiglets in. Smells a bit yeasty | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
but hey good as knew... Then the Queen said she wanted | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
a dress down speech. Nobody does scruffy | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
quite like This Week. Some nights the studio looks | :20:40. | :20:58. | |
like laundry day at Momentum HQ. # I'm gonna box some tags, only got | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
twenty dollars in my pocket. Facebook apps, not sure they're | :21:02. | :21:12. | |
really me, Ivanka, not sure at all. Brexit negotiations began this week | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
and David Davis headed off I don't know, I think this actually | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
works, what do you think? Come on, Ivanka, you Metropolitan | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
milk toast, where's your optimism? There's no doubt that the road ahead | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
will at times be challenging, but, as Winston Churchill once said, | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
the pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity, | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
the optimist sees opportunity And so, bridging between Churchill | :21:42. | :21:43. | |
and Monet, I'm certainly Nobody doubts that the Brexit | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
secretary's a trier, but it's going to take a lot more | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
than bluff Bonomy to win over Of course he lost an early battle | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
on the timeline for negotiations, so many questions on trade | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
that the UK wants to settle But hey, chin up David, | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
at least the EU isn't That is why we will work | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
all the time with the UK There will be no | :22:10. | :22:32. | |
austerity on my side. I will display | :22:33. | :22:41. | |
a constructive attitude. Well, Philip Hammond has had | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
a post-election make-over. He used his Mansion House speech | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
to argue that Britain should wait for a new trade deal to be agreed | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
before ripping up the old one, Still, you don't stand out | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
unless you are prepared to break We'll almost certainly need | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
an implementation period outside the customs union itself, | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
but with current customs border arrangements remaining in place | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
until new long-term arrangements The collective sigh | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
of relief would be audible. While David Davis was grappling | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
with the EU, Theresa May was talking to the DUP to try | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
and secure her Commons majority. But do you know what, the unionists | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
don't seem to like her style. The DUP reportedly feel | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
taken for granted. What could make it up | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
to the sensitive souls? Two billion in health | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
and infrastructure spending? There's no individual | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
sticking point. All negotiations of this kind | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
can take a long time. With no Commons majority, | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
the Queen's speech was paired right Meanwhile, the Queen kept her crown | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
in her hand bag and instead she wore rather fetching little hat | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
in blue and yellow. My Government's priority | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
is to secure the best possible deal as the country leaves | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
the European Union. Completely missing from the speech | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
was any mention of those manifesto pledges like scrapping the triple | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
lock on pensions or ending winter fuel allowances for pensioners | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
or even free school lunches Oh, and of course no mention | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
of a state visit to the UK Travel ban for the Donald, | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
you limey losers. Theresa May is now looking | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
seriously out of fashion. The test for all of us | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
this Government will We will do what is in the national | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
interest and we will work with anyone in any party | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
that is prepared to do the same. Jeremy Corbyn, no stranger | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
to dressing down himself, was in seriously bullish form | :25:19. | :25:20. | |
but he didn't bow to Her Majesty. Labour later put that down | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
to a matter of protocol, He made it very plain that Labour | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
would oppose the Government whenever Well, I suppose if you've got it, | :25:30. | :25:38. | |
flaunt it, even if IT is a better We will use every opportunity | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
to vote down Government policies that have failed | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
to win public support. We will use every opportunity to win | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
support for our programme. Labour is not merely | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
an opposition, Mr Speaker. Outside the Commons, | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
a day of rage was under way, a fierce protest against the hated | :26:04. | :26:10. | |
May Government and austerity. But actually, as it started | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
after lunch, technically it was more Senior Labour figures | :26:16. | :26:17. | |
backed the protest, That's Gandhi on a really, | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
really bad hair day. People may call a day | :26:25. | :26:35. | |
of rage or whatever. They've got the right | :26:36. | :26:37. | |
if they want to be angry but they haven't got the right | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
to be violent. All protests have | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
got to be peaceful. If you want to see what an effective | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
protest is all about, As if slumming it with all those | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
scabby MPs wasn't enough, we've got a lot of crusty | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
protestors hanging around. God it's starting to | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
feel like Glastonbury. Liz, put the champagne on ice | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
and a tenner on the fave. And thanks to Beyond | :26:56. | :27:15. | |
Retro in East London. Let's start with something | :27:16. | :27:27. | |
counterintuitive. Let's agree for the sake of discussion that Mrs May | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
is useless at their election campaigns, but she is still Prime | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
Minister. Is it not still possible that over the next year she could | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
actually recover? I wouldn't have thought the Conservative Party would | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
want her to fight another election. I didn't say that, but over the next | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
year she could recover some of the ground she's lost? I think what | :27:50. | :27:57. | |
we've seen in the last week is the Chancellor of the Exchequer | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
changing, pretty fundamentally, the terms of the renegotiation. You say | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
that, but he is in favour of leaving the single market, he knows we have | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
to get out of the customs union, he knows we have to end free movement. | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
He is talking about a longer transition period. I don't think | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
that is where we are going to end up. If you look at the Labour and | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
Tory manifesto is, they broadly say the same thing on Brexit. Why would | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
it change at the edges? Why would you argue it has changed so | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
fundamentally? I don't think you would get hard Brexit through the | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
House of Lords. But I interviewed the Labour Leader of the House of | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
Lords yesterday on the Daily Politics. She said they were not | :28:43. | :28:49. | |
looking for a fight over Brexit. Well, I think the election has | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
completely changed the Brexit terms. I think a different sort of Brexit | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
is going to come about. I think the Chancellor of the Exchequer will | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
lead in that direction and I would not be surprised if David Davis | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
moved his position, too. The Tory Remainer rebels, such as they are, | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
-- are out numbered by the Labour Leave rebels. There is still a | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
substantial majority in the Commons for the large part of the overlap on | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
Brexit that was in the Labour and Conservative manifestos. I would not | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
trust the Labour manifesto at all, and you can see that you cannot | :29:32. | :29:33. | |
trust the Conservative manifesto either. You have seen how much has | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
been ditched. Not Brexit. Not yet Brexit, or the form of Brexit. I | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
don't believe the Labour Party manifesto represents... We can ask | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
Alan, but I don't believe it represents the majority position of | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
Labour member of -- members of Parliament. We know that too | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
mystical bin and John McDonnell, that part of Labour, they don't care | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
much about Brexit. It is austerity, inequality that gets them up in the | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
morning. This Labour leadership is not looking for a fight over Brexit. | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
It wants a fight over plenty of other things but not this. But they | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
got it at salute the right on Article 50, spot-on, that you do not | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
overturn that referendum decision but you recognise that the real | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
issues will come further down the track. -- they got it absolutely | :30:27. | :30:33. | |
right. Just look at what Keir Starmer has been saying. Michael is | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
right, the whole tone has changed, the whole rhetoric, the kind of | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
"Difficult woman" stuff has gone. Boris Johnson, it is OK to fall out | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
on WTO terms, that has gone completely. But there is a consensus | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
between the frontbenchers on no longer being a member of the single | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
market. It is the transition that is the big difference. You can have a | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
longer transition period. There is a consensus that we have to leave the | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
customs union, that free movement has to end. The frontbenchers are | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
not arguing about these things, so where does the substance... The | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
process may change, the language may change, the transition period might | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
change, we saw Mr Hammond talking about a transition period, but the | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
destination does not seem that different. Maybe not, but we are in | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
a weaker position now. The other 27 member states have not collapsed, as | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
the leaders suggested. They are more united. The Italian growth rate is | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
twice ours, Germany's is four times. The Italian economy is smaller than | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
in 1990. The Italian economy has not grown for almost two decades. It has | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
to start growing some time. The European economy has not fallen | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
apart. Who, other than Nigel Farage, said the European Union would fall | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
apart? I call goes, Boris Johnson. We could show the rest of Europe, we | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
can lead the fight. But not that it would fall apart. I think we are | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
moving off the point and it is an interesting point. You are taking | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
very literally the fact that the Conservative Party's official | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
position has not changed, you are taking literally what was said by | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
the Labour Party leadership Ynys Mon festival about Brexit. I am just | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
asking tough questions to break this consensus between you. Otherwise we | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
become a 1-party state. We cannot fault you on that but from our | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
wholly different positions on Brexit, fundamentally different, we | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
both have a feeling we will end up in a completely different place from | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
what we imagined before the general election. You said that last week as | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
well and I am probing the reasons for that. You may be right but I | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
have not heard any convincing reasons to suggest that yet. It is | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
early days. We don't know how this is going to go, and the Labour front | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
bench will be crucial. If it sticks to its manifesto, I do not see your | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
problems. If it wants to cause problems, I think it could. It is | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
not just the Labour front bench, is it? Labour and Tory MPs have strong | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
feelings, quite apart from the front bench tells them. And even the | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
frontbenchers heavily divided on both sides. Are you worried that it | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
is the hard left that now runs your party? I am very worried that the | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
sectarian left, as I would call them, are running the party. But I | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
do not want to rain on Labour's parade. There is a mess out there. | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
The more you look at what is happening, a year after the | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
referendum we have only just got going on the debate. Last time I was | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
on we were talking about a three-month delay because of the | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
election. You were saying it would not matter because nothing much | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
would have happened. But it looks bad, it looks weak, the country | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
looks like a laughing stock, with a Prime Minister destined to go and | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
Boris Johnson popping up every five minutes on the media. We know what | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
that is about. I think we have done Boris. It is like shooting trout in | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
a barrel. But it feels humiliated that we are in this situation. So I | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
would have a Labour government any time. And really, the sense of what | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
happened in that election and the momentum, to use the term, towards | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
the end, means that they need to get back to the country as soon as | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
possible. That might fade away. Would you like to see these days of | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
chaos, this uncertainty, instability being used to rerun the referendum | :34:41. | :34:50. | |
for Remain to get the advantage again? Are you in the category of | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
one of these Remainers that says, of course I accept the result of the | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
referendum but I will now try to do everything I can to stop it from | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
happening? No. But I do think we will spend time and treasure trying | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
to get back to where we were in the first place, a good trade deal, | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
absence of bureaucracy when crossing borders, the right of citizens to | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
remain in this country. We are fighting and struggling to get back | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
to where we were. At some stage over the next few years, longer than two | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
years, people might come to the conclusion, let's think about this | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
again. The will of the people might change but that is not something | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
new. We have run out of time. When do you think the next election will | :35:36. | :35:46. | |
be? In three years. Three years?! I think within 18 months. The truth | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
is, it could be any time. We don't know, do we? We don't know. We don't | :35:51. | :35:58. | |
know how the 12 Scottish Tories will go because there seems to be a | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
streak of independence. There are 12 Scottish Tories? When did that | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
happen? 13, unbelievable. Now, are you Glastonbury | :36:05. | :36:14. | |
or are you Ascot? The three of us our obviously buzzin | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
for that glasto hype, Alan can't possibly miss | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
an opportunity for some comradely crowd surfing with Jezza Corbs | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
and Michael wants to be front row for Stormzy, Boy Better Know, JME, | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
Dizzee Rascal and Kurupt FM. His love of grime has | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
reached new heights, especially since he was roped | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
in as the new poster boy of Grime4Corbyn, With his shirts, | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
he's sure to fit right in. As for me, I can't be sat at home | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
with massive FOMO so I'll be seeing Major Lazer, | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
Foo Fighters and Biffy Clyro, just as soon as one of our interns | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
explains to me what those are. And what this has to do | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
with putting the Anglosphere in the Spotlight I've got no idea, | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
but we are. So what does a dressed | :36:53. | :37:10. | |
down Queen's speech say Does disregarding pomp and ceremony | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
mean we've lost our self-confidence. Or is Britain's | :37:13. | :37:25. | |
greatness unshakeable? The Prime Minister reckons | :37:26. | :37:34. | |
the country will overcome a month of tragedies | :37:35. | :37:36. | |
and become even greater. We are a great nation | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
and a great people. We have been through and survived | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
the toughest of times Once again, we can | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
and will grow stronger The Governor of the Bank | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
of England appears concerned. Before long, we will all begin | :37:50. | :38:06. | |
to find out the extent to which Brexit is a gentle stroll | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
along a smooth path towards a land Meanwhile, on the other | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
side of the Anglosphere, Donald Trump seems to be promoting | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
American isolationism. After decades of rebuilding foreign | :38:21. | :38:29. | |
nations, all over the world, Melanie Phillips thinks | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
the Anglosphere has been Mr Trump in the White House, Mrs May | :38:32. | :39:04. | |
probably just went through the biggest self-inflicted, unnecessary | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
wound in modern British politics. So is the Anglosphere in decline under | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
these two? I thought the Anglosphere was in decline for the last 30 years | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
and I allowed myself a brief moment of optimism from last year's | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
referendum until now, for these reasons. I think the Anglosphere has | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
been in decline, Britain and America, the West, the English | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
speaking world, because of a profound demoralisation, which I | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
would date to the end of the Second World War. As a result of which | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
Europe lost its belief in itself. It believed it had to be saved from | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
itself. Britain ended up at the end of the war bankrupt, in hock to | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
America, lost the Empire. Its elites word tomorrow lies, vulnerable to a | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
slew of anti-Western ideologies which destroyed the education | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
system, told us we had no national identity, we have to be | :40:02. | :40:03. | |
multicultural and so on. A similar thing went on in America. The | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
Anglosphere is the English speaking world led by Britain and America. | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
Written is the originator of political liberty. But plenty of | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
English speaking nations are not in decline. Australia, Canada, New | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
Zealand. And since the Indian elite speak English, India certainly isn't | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
in decline. Depends what you mean by decline. Britain is a major world | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
economy, but what I'm in is that it does not have any confidence in | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
itself any more, in its own identity. It does not understand or | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
want to know what it historically believes in and supports, does not | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
have the ability to defend itself any more. What I thought about | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
Brexit and the election of Donald Trump, I think one has to put aside | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
the man from what brought him to power. I have great reservations | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
about Donald Trump, I think he has many psychological flaws, but what I | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
think brought him to power is what I think brought Brexit to being as | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
well, which was the belief by millions in Britain and America, | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
they wanted their country back, wanted to become once again a | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
self-governing western democratic nation. What does that have to do | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
with the Anglosphere? You only want to be a self-governing nation if you | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
believe in yourself. It is a benign circle. You have to become a | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
self-governing nation to believe in yourself again. America had a | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
different set of problems. America was internally guilty at its history | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
of race as a man came to believe it was responsible for the ills of the | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
world. Over many years it stopped being a force for good in the world. | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
It has to recover that again. What do you make of this argument? I | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
think Melanie is fundamentally right. There is something peculiar | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
and particular about the knighted States and Britain and the way in | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
which representative government has formed in those places. Magna Carta | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
is thought to be our inspiration but it is even more the inspiration of | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
the United States. There was a point at which they overtook us. But we | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
have a particular view about representative democracy. In 1941 | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
there were 11 democracies in the world and there are now 105. They | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
are all rather young, including ours and the United States. When the | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
European Union began to embark on a project where democracy was a | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
secondary consideration, where there was not accountability, institutions | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
were not responsible to their populations, we entered a period of | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
great danger. Too many monologues here. I disagree completely. The | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
thing about the European Union, if it was a democracy it would be | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
replicating a country. Its whole issue as to why you don't have the | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
election of the Commissioners is because it doesn't pretend to be a | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
country. Does the Anglosphere appeared to be in decline and does | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
it matter? It seems to me the baby boomer generation has done very | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
well. The problems started, reflected in the EU referendum and | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
the Trump election from the crash onwards. People do not believe they | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
are sharing the proceeds of growth. The economy that was a tool of | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
society, it is now the other way around. Can be put back together? | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
Definitely but we have to do Brexit properly and Trump as to survive his | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
own inadequacies. Everything leads back to Brexit. | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
Breakfast TV is on next... It is not but it sometimes seems like that. | :43:38. | :43:49. | |
We're giving Lou Lou's a miss because we're hopping straight | :43:50. | :43:51. | |
Michael is beside himself with excitement. | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
But only because we're going by train. | :43:55. | :43:55. | |
Alan has arranged extra luxurious glamping for us. | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
He needs a nice place to sell signed copies of Volume 12 of his memoirs. | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
Nighty night, don't let Sean Spicer bite. | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
# Communication let me down, and I'm left here #. | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
At this point I have not asked, and I'm not fully aware of... | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
I mean, I'm aware of the testimony that occurred in the enquiries, | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
I've not asked the President since the last time we spoke about this. | :44:19. | :44:27. | |
I have not asked the President or his staff about that. | :44:28. | :44:29. | |
No, I haven't asked him about that, but I'm not aware of anything. | :44:30. | :44:38. | |
I have not had an opportunity to specifically talk | :44:39. | :44:40. | |
I have not had an opportunity to have that discussion. | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
I have not spoken to the President about this. | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
Look, I think I haven't spoken to the President | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
I don't know, I honestly haven't asked him that specific question. | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
I have not have that discussion with him. | :44:53. | :44:54. | |
Does he have confidence in his Attorney General? | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
I have not had a discussion with him on the question. | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
If I haven't had a discussion with him about a subject, | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
# Communication let me down, and I'm left here | :45:03. | :45:21. | |
FOO FIGHTERS: # Don't let it go to waste | :45:22. | :45:25. |