Browse content similar to 06/07/2017. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
Tonight, live from the people's Republic of this week, | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un test fires an intercontinental ballistic | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
missile, his gift to the Yankees on their Independence Day. | :00:25. | :00:33. | |
Tim Marshall assesses how terrifying the world is. | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
Thanks to the efforts of the great helmsman, | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
The Westminster masses march on Downing Street demanding | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
Britain's beloved First Lady bring an end to austerity and pay our | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
Five Live's Emma Barnett dusts off the This Week credit card. | :00:52. | :01:01. | |
Yes, it's time to spend, spend, spend. | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
That is, if our Great Leader is OK with it. | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
And as This Week decides to ban all views and ideologies | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
that do not conform, we turn to Slovenian philosopher | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
I will talk about sensitivity with all the snowflakes and so on. The | :01:15. | :01:33. | |
only strong person is our eternal leader, Andrew. | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
You will watch This Week tonight, with me, your supreme leader, | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
Andrew Neil, the greatest propaganda machine ever invented. | :01:40. | :01:54. | |
Evening all, welcome to the People's Democratic Republic | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
of This Week, the only BBC programme with its own | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
And if Donald Trump doesn't come up with that multi-million dollar | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
contract for Trump TV, we're going to send one | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
Because in these troubled times our role is not to wage war - | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
thoough I'm warning you, Trump - but to spread fake news, | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
false comfort and fatuous propaganda, so that you can sleep | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
It's why we have four billion daily viewers, even though we're | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
only on once a week, and a 110% approval rating, | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
since the slightest disapproval means the immediate cessation | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
It's why we attract the world's greatest talent, such | :02:31. | :02:39. | |
as old Choo Choo here, the man who made the | :02:40. | :02:41. | |
And Alan Johnson, now on volume 42 of his memoirs, | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
whose achievements are legendary, such as... | :02:46. | :02:46. | |
It's why I'm your Dear Leader, loved, respected and obeyed by all. | :02:47. | :02:55. | |
And it's why my influence is everywhere. | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
Last year I was able to insert one of our number, | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
the Hackney Madame Mao who goes by the codename Diane Abbott, | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
into the heart of Team Corbyn, which is now entirely | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
And only today I dispatched our most senior executive in charge of paper | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
clips to head up the Ministry of Truth at one of my many | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
satellites, which you will know as Ten Downing Street. | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
And speaking of futile, I'm joined on the sofa tonight | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
by two of the fathers, sorry grandfathers, | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
I speak, of course, of Michael #sadmanonatrain Portillo and Alan | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
Michael, your moment of the week? You made and a bleak reference. A | :03:35. | :03:51. | |
week ago we had an executive producer who is now the Director of | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Communications at ten in Downing Street for Mrs May. It is said that | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
rats leave a sinking ship. He is as far from a rat as could be, but one | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
has to ask what sort of creature joins a sinking ship? I thought you | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
were talking about us as a sinking ship. I think the answer could be a | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
sacrificial lamb. That's a mixed metaphor. No, it's a consistent | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
metaphor. You wouldn't recognise it, you were too busy interrupting, as | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
usual. What creature leaves a sinking ship, a rat? Which creature | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
joins one, a sacrificial lamb. Consistent. The focus have been on | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
public sector pay, and there was a report today by the Joseph Rowntree | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
Foundation that points out that the freeze on benefits that began in | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
2015 and is not due to end until 2020, working age benefits for | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
people in work, but people out of work also lost ?30 per week off | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
their employment support allowance from April. Because inflation has | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
come into the system, it means these people, right at the bottom of the | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
pile, will see their money go down. The biggest injustice from this | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Government's policy and terms of pay for those at the bottom is not the | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
1% public sector pay cap, but the five-year freeze on benefits. The | :05:21. | :05:21. | |
lowest paid. Now, we Brits have always | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
enjoyed a friendly rivalry with our American cousins, | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
who this week were in mourning for the 241st anniversary | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
of the disastrous wrong turn they took in 1776, which was always | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
certain to end in tears. Yes, no matter how chaotic, | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
farcical and unpredictable our politics becomes, | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
they're always madder This week, Mr Trump used Twitter | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
to declare war on CNN. North Korea could be next, just | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
as soon as he works out where it is. Maybe he has, while | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
we've been on air. Here's Tim Marshall | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
with his take of the week. Mankind stands on the | :05:56. | :06:12. | |
edge of a precipice. To put it another way, we are all | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
going to hell in a handcart. We've always been going | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
to hell in a handcart. And that's because history | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
probably isn't linear. There is no endgame | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
that we're aiming for. And anyway, compare now | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
with previous periods in history, Globally, women's death | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
in childbirth, down. Rates of polio, malaria, | :06:39. | :06:50. | |
many of the diseases, down. In more and more places, | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
you can turn on the tap And the rapid growth | :06:59. | :07:11. | |
of young democracies. The spread of democracy | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
in the latter half of the 20th century is one of the reasons why | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
things have only got better. But since the financial crash | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
of 2008 and the subsequent difficulties, there seems to be | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
a feeling in the air, even in the Western countries, | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
that perhaps capitalism and liberal democracy is not the answer | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
to the question how to live. To those who complain about living | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
standards now, sure, But relative to the last 10,000 | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
years, we've never had it so good. Which is why, in this | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
age of uncertainty, with the new nuclear threat, | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
cyber warfare, terrorism, austerity, when populists from the right | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
and left are telling us they have the answers, | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
we need to remind ourselves that It needs protecting, | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
nurturing, not ripping up. It's possible we are now | :08:08. | :08:16. | |
in the most dangerous period But things have been worse, | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
and that's why it's worth Tim Marshall has made his way to us. | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Thank you for inviting me. Just be | :08:24. | :08:52. | |
careful to say everything I tell you. Michael, has the world become a | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
more dangerous place in recent years? Depends we mean by recent | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
years. All of the things that said about recent improvements are right. | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
I do think procedures linked with a number of those things and | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
capitalism is linked with a number of those. What we are not very aware | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
of is that democracy is quite a modern experiment. In 1941 there | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
were 11 democracies, there are now may be about 105, which means most | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
of them are very young indeed. We have not seen them in operation for | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
long enough to know how they will survive. I think the greatest threat | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
to democracy is that it causes competing politicians to | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
overpromise, and therefore to burden their states with debt. I think we | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
have not seen the resolution of that issue. Indeed, in our own country we | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
are in a state where both our main parties are talking about certainly | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
not reducing debt, probably increasing it. If democracy goes on | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
like that, I think it will find itself in difficulty and many of the | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
great benefits we have been talking about will also be in jeopardy. The | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
world felt a dangerous place during the Cold War, sometimes very | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
dangerous, as in the Cuban missile crisis. What I meant by recent years | :10:08. | :10:15. | |
was perhaps in the past 10-15 years, as it began to feel more dangerous | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
again? No, I think Tim is right. I remember the Cuban missile crisis | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
and the Cold War. I remember the turmoil and the constant fear. In a | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
way, North Korea, there is not a lot, I don't think, not much chance | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
of North Korea launching a nuclear missile attack. But there is a | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
feeling that, with Trump at the helm in America, and with the Europe now, | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
after Brexit, a little less sure of its future, that that has created a | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
problem which will no doubt be reflected. But I think the biggest | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
problem, and Tim referred to it, since the global financial crash | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
there is a feeling that capitalism has become more rapacious, that it | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
is less willing to share out its proceeds, that there are greater | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
inequalities. There is a feeling right across capitalist Liberal | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
democracies, it's receding a bit, and the threat of Marine Le Pen and | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
Geert Wilders in Holland receded, but it is still there and that needs | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
to be addressed. But I think Tim is absolutely right, we are too | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
reluctant sometimes to actually record the huge advances that we've | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
made. But the most recent years don't show a growth of democracy. | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
The most recent years are characterised by a rise in | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
authoritarianism. The Russian democratic experiment is over, we | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
have an authoritarian in the Kremlin. The Turkish democratic | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
experiment is coming to an end and we have tired Erdogan in Ankara. The | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
rise of China on to the second, on some measures the biggest economy, | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
is an authoritarian economy. The rise of the Gulf powers, | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
authoritarian states. That is making the world a more dangerous place. | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
Yes, but the point of the argument was to look at things in the round | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
and realise that the world is not going to hell in a handcart. The | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
second part of the argument is to recognise what we have achieved them | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
why we have achieved it does need protecting, precisely because as you | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
are right, things have been drifting, in this age of | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
uncertainty. There are a number of things going on. For once, I | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
disagree with Alan Johnson. Marine Le Pen doubled the vote her father | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
got 15 years ago. I don't call that a failure. Geert Wilders came second | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
in the Netherlands election, and all that is continuing to be on the | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
rise, which is precisely why I ended the argument by saying in this time | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
of increased nationalism and instability, the answers are not | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
with extremists. History has taught us that in uncertain times people | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
reach for extremes and the house falls in. This is not a time to go | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
to the extremes. These new authoritarian countries, which make | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
the world a more dangerous place, although maybe not as dangerous as | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
the Cuban missile crisis, but still more dangerous, these are not Onana | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
republic, tinpot general authoritarian states. These are run | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
by people who actually believe, the Chinese, Mr Erdogan in Turkey, Mr | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
Putin, they believe their way of doing things is better than | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
democracy. During the period when the Soviet Union existed, it | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
appeared democracy and capitalism went hand-in-hand. In fact, they are | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
not the same at all and they are almost opposites, because democracy | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
is all about the quality and capitalism is all about inequality. | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, this oddity is much more | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
visible. I think that Alan is right. There is more inequality within | :14:10. | :14:11. | |
capitalism. The people at the bottom are better off than they used to be | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
but the people at the top are even richer than they used to be. When | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
you go to countries like Turkey or Russia and give them a choice, at | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
least it is arguable by their leaders that the choice that they | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
might feel they are wanting to make, of democracy, is not the best choice | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
because it is accompanied by things like inequality and poverty and | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
soul. So I think capitalism and democracy together are no longer be | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
obvious and natural choice for countries outside the European and | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
American orbit. If you look at the success of authoritarians recently, | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
Mr Putin has largely got his way. He has a new satellite state in Syria, | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
he has his warm water port. The Chinese have become one of the | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
world's most dominant economies. Turkey is playing a bigger role in | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
the Middle East than ever. That makes life more dangerous. When it | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
comes to North Korea, Russia and China sound like the grown-ups. When | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
they are saying the way to resolve this is through diplomacy and | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
engagement, and using... The Americans tried that for years. You | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
have a President in the US to eating all kinds of things. He is always | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
upping the ante. In that sense, as on many occasions, in relation to | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
Syria, it is China and Russia that seem like the grown-ups in the room. | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
And China is very different to the China we remember. They now own | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
Volvo who have just decided to make all of their cars Electric. That is | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
owned by the Chinese. In the sense of their desire for stability in the | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
West, they have moved from the Little red book and Mounsey Tong to | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
a situation where they are engaging. One of the stars symbolises the | :16:02. | :16:15. | |
capitalists. It's 1.4 well billion patriotic capitalists. China is | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
proving wrong the theory that you need liberal democracy to have a | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
successful economy. That's quite dangerous. I mean, I happen to | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
believe in liberal he democracy, not just democracy, I've been reading | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
things that say, no, these are extreme times and we need extreme | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
measures. It always goes wrong wrong. As for North Korea, Mr Trump | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
has boxed himself in. He said he hasn't a red line. Do you remember | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
the tweet when she said, we will build an ICBM. He tweeted will not | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
happen. It has happened. His Defence Secretary said unacceptable. You | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
argue, what, if it's not acceptable, what are you going to do about it? | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
If we have time, Andrew, what they are going to do about it first and | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
foremost go to the United Nations They have drafted a resolution. You | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
know how this stuff works. It's called an ICBM. Russia say they | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
don't think it is, they go not go for it. They will be asked to | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
redraft it. They will redraft it and table it. They warned publicly the | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
Russians, it if you vote owe we will take unilateral action. Which leaves | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
in the air, if it goes through, Mr Trump can say, I did do something | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
about it. I've got these great sanctions. I've been strong. If it | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
doesn't go through and vetoed he is left with unilateral action. It | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
doesn't have to mean military action. It could do. That is | :17:43. | :17:50. | |
incredibly dangerous. I think it is dangerous. It reminds me as part and | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
parcel of what has been happening to democracies. What we used to say, 15 | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
or 20 years, is that democracies didn't go to war. Recently they | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
have. Not with each other, yes. Not with each other, perfectly true. The | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
United States and Britain and other democracies have again and again | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
engaged in military conflict. So I think that is another reason why | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
people have felt this loss of confidence in democratic | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
institutions. You have a loss of confidence in America partly because | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
of the Trump administration, the focus is povg to the Pacific | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
hemisphere as it regards the rise of China as the 21st century challenge. | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
Europe is in no position to fill the vacuum in Europe left behind by the | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
Americans. The Russians wish to recreate they have a grip in the | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
Middle East which is still in. A stand off between the Saudis and the | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
Qataris as well which will get worse before it gets better. It's not like | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
the Cuban Missile Crisis. A lot can go wrong? It feels pretty dangerous | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
out there. The argument about we are going to hell in a hand cart in the | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
prism of looking at things from the last ten years. Discounting all | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
those advances made. I mean Tim mentioned about malaria and diseases | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
and clean water. All of that is never reported, but huge advances. | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
Great advances for civilisation. I think actually - go on. I made sure | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
I have time to finish. What I think is happening is that the Second | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
World War a order had a dual polar world, Russia and America. We had a | :19:40. | :19:50. | |
uni polar world. That is no longer the case. | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
The Russians and the Chinese amongst others will not accept it. Turkey | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
won't accept it, Iran won't. The structure of the western dominance | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
is being absolutely challenged and, therefore, the structure is shaking | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
we don't know exactly what is going on. That's why it's shaking. That's | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
- we are in the middle of the structures being cake shaken. | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
Whether it's the World Bank being challenged by the Shanghai Bank. The | :20:15. | :20:23. | |
Chinese banks, or whether it's Nato wandering what it will do. The whole | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
thing is shaking. It's why it's a dangerous time. | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
I will end on a positive note if you've had enough of me. Quick | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
point, firing squad awaits? Bear in mind the positives, yes, individual | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
people and individual things are pretty bad. Overall, I think it's | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
harmful to us to think that they created are terrible and it's never | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
been as bad as this. It's pretty good relative. At a time of foreign | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
policy challenges we have someone in the White House who knows nothing | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
about foreign policy. Someone in Ten Downing Street who knows nothing | :21:02. | :21:12. | |
about foreign policy and icy and in France who knows noes nothing about | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
foreign policy. Thank you for that. Now, it's late, but never too late | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
for a career change late. This week Segolene Royale, | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
former partner of Francois Hollande and French presidential candidate, | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
was made French ambassador Do you think President Macron | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
is trying to tell her something? It's going to mean a lot | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
of travelling between embassies and some pretty | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
lonely diplomatic parties. I do hope the penguins | :21:36. | :21:36. | |
like Ferrero Rocher. Maybe we should send Choo Choo | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
and AJ to keep her company. That would be the caring thing | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
to do, especially since, waiting in the wings, | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
is Philosopher Slavoj Zizek, here So don't you dare Faceblub, | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
wipe your Twitter tears away and get we've been lying | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
to you all for years. You see, nothing you ever see | :21:56. | :22:10. | |
on this programme is original. Put simply, we purloin | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
other people's ideas Our terrible story treatments | :22:14. | :22:14. | |
are lifted from Newsnight, our appalling jokes | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
from the Rochdale Herald. But we're not the only ones | :22:19. | :22:19. | |
living on borrowed ideas. The jackdaw epidemic has reached | :22:20. | :22:27. | |
as high as the Cabinet. Yes, it would seem some in Team May | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
have been pinching policies Plagiarism for the many, | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
not the few! Here's Emma Barnett with her | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
round up of the week. # No money. | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
# No money...#. Can you spare us | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
some change, please? It's for Andrew Neil | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
and the This Week budget - come on! Right, now I've got some money, | :22:54. | :23:01. | |
no more walking for me. The political week was dominated | :23:02. | :23:30. | |
by public-sector pay. The Government is under | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
mounting pressure, including from some Cabinet ministers, | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
to lift the pay cap. Boris, Michael Gove, | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
Justine Greening, Jeremy Hunt, Damian Green have all hinted | :23:39. | :23:53. | |
that there could be Funny that, wasn't it only last week | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
they all voted against a Labour amendment which proposed | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
scrapping the cap? This shop looks good, | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
it looks expensive. Keep the change, | :24:06. | :24:18. | |
thank you very much. Former Tory Cabinet ministers have | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
weighed in to tell current Tory Cabinet ministers to stop | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
picking on the Chancellor. It is not right for Cabinet | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
ministers to gang up I think it is making his position, | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
which is always very difficult, I would have been horrified, | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
as I say, in my day. It's not helpful to have | :24:41. | :24:57. | |
this out in public. After all, Phil can't be expected | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
to balance the books if he's having to stop and explain the concept | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
of restraint to Boris Johnson. Boris took to the airwaves | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
to praise the Prime Minister. What unbelievable grace | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
and steel she has shown over the last few -- | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
Indeed. Over the last few weeks, when things | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
did not frankly look too brilliant. Delivering a stable Government, | :25:22. | :25:43. | |
as she said she would. Austerity is fast becoming | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
toxic for the Government. Concerns over the funding of public | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
services is feeding into outrage Housing Minister Alok Sharma spoke | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
for all of Westminster this week. Mr Speaker, on my visits | :25:58. | :26:07. | |
to the West Way, hearing the harrowing accounts of survivors | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
has been the most humbling The families that I've met have been | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
through unimaginable pain. This is a tragedy that should never | :26:13. | :26:25. | |
have happened and we are determined to do all that we can to make sure | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
that something like this Labour want the scope of the inquiry | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
to be expanded to consider the impact of austerity and some | :26:33. | :26:40. | |
Labour MPs are calling for the chair of the inquiry, | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
Sir Martin Moore-Bick, to resign. But the Government | :26:48. | :26:49. | |
defended Sir Martin. Sir Martin was chosen | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
by the Lord Chief Justice, who was approached to find | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
a suitable judge to do this inquiry and he was selected | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
because of his qualities, his experience and his particular | :26:59. | :27:00. | |
expertise in this area. In those circumstances, | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
it does seem to me, he's an eminently suitable person | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
to do it. This austerity debate | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
is happening against a back drop of the DUP bung - | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
I mean deal, as Jeremy Corbyn Last week, the Chancellor said, | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
"we all value our public services and the people who provide them | :27:23. | :27:31. | |
to us" and went on to laud his own economic record | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
by saying that we had Well, the Prime Minister found | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
?1 billion to keep her own job, why can't she find the same amount | :27:37. | :27:45. | |
of money to keep nurses and teachers in their job who, | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
after all, serve all of us? The PM responded with well-rehearsed | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
lines on Labour's economic incompetence to roars of support | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
from the Government benches. It isn't fair to refuse to take | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
tough decisions and to load debts on our children and grandchildren | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
for the future. ..it isn't fair to bankrupt our | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
economy because that leads to people losing their jobs | :28:09. | :28:20. | |
and losing their homes, and it isn't fair to go out and tell people | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
that they can have all the public spending they want | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
without paying for it. Some MPs were asking | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
where all this tough talk was from the Prime Minister | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
when she was negotiating Arlene Foster got ?1 billion, | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
she must be the most expensive right-winger since Cristiano | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
Ronaldo. How can the card have been declined, | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
we arranged for a platinum limit. Perhaps we could discuss | :28:47. | :28:56. | |
a payment plan? Thanks to Deuxieme clothing boutique | :28:57. | :29:10. | |
in South West London. We're not sure if they ever | :29:11. | :29:18. | |
did catch up with Emma. The lovely Miranda Green | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
Aston is with us now. Welcome back. Why don't I start with | :29:22. | :29:33. | |
you? Is Mrs May going to survive through until the end of the year, | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
because none of the usual suspects seem in a hurry to challenge her? | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
That's true, and there is a sense in which every few days she survives | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
makes her position stronger just because she is the only one | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
standing. There hasn't been a challenge. There is a bit more | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
scuttled back last week than this week about potential challengers, so | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
it seems quite a fluid atmosphere on the Tory benches. But I think they | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
seemed to think it's safer to let her struggle on and deal with not | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
least the uncomfortable beginning of Brexit negotiations, rather than | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
challenge her. So I would say she probably will be around at the end | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
of the summer. There is no consensus on the success. Tory MPs fear a | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
leadership election would trigger another general election and they | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
would lose that. They would not say that publicly but privately they | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
think they would lose another election. That may stop them rocking | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
the boat. It is worth remembering we are only a month from the general | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
election. If we had a change of leadership now people would say, | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
hang on, she fought the election on a personality thing, so we were | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
electing Mrs May and we are sided not to elect her by any kind of | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
majority, so if you are changing the leader you have to have another | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
general election. With the passage of time, that feeling will lessen. | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
In a few months, people will recognise that the Conservatives won | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
the general election and if they want to change Prime Minister, as | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
they did when they changed Cameron for Theresa May, that is possible. | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
What I think matters is that the Brexit clock has started, and | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
supposedly there are two years for negotiations. It seems from | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
revelations made by someone who until recently worked for David | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
Davies that the team negotiating Brexit feel hemmed in by commitments | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
that were made in Mrs May's conference speech, that they are | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
being propelled towards a particular hard to find Brexit by the pledges | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
she made. No European Court of Justice role, etc. It seems to me | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
that quite soon the people doing negotiations will say, three months, | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
six months, nine months has gone of our two year negotiation and we all | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
feel we are negotiating on the wrong premise, the wrong instructions. At | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
which point, surely, they would have to change the person giving | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
instructions. But does David Davis really think that? He sounds like he | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
is on the same song sheet as Mrs May on this matter. He is a government | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
minister with a lovely breezy manner about him and he would betray none | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
of that. But journalists speak to him in private and there is no | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
inkling he is unhappy with the mandate he has been given. The | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
person who worked for him until recently made him sound extremely | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
happy. How does Jeremy Corbyn force an election when the DUP, because of | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
his past associations, regard him as toxic? They wouldn't want him. | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
That's true but I remember Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness, the | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
Chuckle Brothers. That was accepted in Northern Ireland. A guy called | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
James Molineaux, who ran the Ulster Unionists party, when I was leading | :32:56. | :33:06. | |
the union and we were trying to stop the privatisation of the Post Office | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
and succeeded, they were crucial because major had a slim majority | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
which was being diminished by the Grim Reaper. So this deal they had | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
done, scraping the bottom of the barrel, maybe, but there is more to | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
come, and the DUP will assist on lots of things. But how does that | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
help Corbyn force an election? That is his difficulty. There was a | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
debate this week about the women who have lost their pensions, where many | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
Tories were involved in the debate and the DUP made clear that they | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
want to see a resolution on that. At some stage, something will happen | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
that will threaten, even with the DUP support, her majority. So I | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
think Corbyn has to wait for that. I think the question is, Theresa May | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
will not lead the Tories into the next general election. Will she go | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
buy some are, by Christmas, early next year, but one thing is certain, | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
she is going to go. If things settle down, even with the government | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
walking wounded, surviving week to week, there is a pole tomorrow | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
putting Labour well ahead of the Tories, in the Times. How do you | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
sustain that momentum? That is the problem if you can't bring about an | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
election. It is in Labour's interests to get another election in | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
the autumn at some time. That is clear. They are in a higher at the | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
moment. They are, but I don't think necessarily they are the ones with | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
the problem at the moment. I think that the Conservative Party have a | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
Yule threat to their core brand and appeal, and that is much more | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
serious. -- they have a double threat to their brand and appeal. If | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
they lose being the party of the economy, that is a fundamental | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
problem. Secondly, this idea of being thought of as the default, | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
competent party of government, the more that this administration limps | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
on, the more you actually have a Conservative Party slogan for | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
another election which is, everything is appalling, don't let | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
Labour blow it. It doesn't work. So I think the Conservative Party | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
position is much more difficult than Labour's. I think they can sustain | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
this for a while. A variety of Tory voices speaking for and against the | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
public sector pay cap, including from inside the cabinet. That is a | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
sign of Mrs May's weakness, isn't it? Yes, it is a lack of authority. | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
The fact that posterity, which was covered in our little film to go, | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
shows that as -- the entire political debate is being played out | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
on Labour ground. There is this feeling that posterity has gone too | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
far, possibly has been a complete failure. I think the truth is, that | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
if you tried to sustain a public pay policy for a very large number of | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
years, it would fray at the edges. To that extent, the Labour Party is | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
right. It is also true of Mr -- what Mrs May was saying, that if you have | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
no public sector pay policy, firstly you will blow the budget, which | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
would be bad for all of us, and secondly you would actually employ | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
fewer people than you otherwise would do because they would be paid | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
more money. Those are basic universal truths. Tuition fees | :36:23. | :36:30. | |
seemed to be the Tories' Achilles' heel among younger voters and it is | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
not clear what they can do about that. The problem with the tuition | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
fee policy is that tinkering with the terms and conditions and | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
changing the way they operate has undermined consent about the | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
fundamental principle of the policy. This idea of graduates contributing | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
to the costs is well established and has been established right back from | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
when Alan was minister and I was covering the debate in the house at | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
the time. But things like an interest rate of 3% on top of RPI, | :36:59. | :37:09. | |
6.1% is extraordinary. The government is charging 6% on student | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
tuition fees! They have frozen the threshold at which it kicks in at | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
21,000, which should have been rising with earnings. Most | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
significantly, you do not get grants maintenance now come on top of loan. | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
Meaning that poorer students have a shed load of debt. They do not need | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
to abandon tuition fees. Jeremy Corbyn's policy was the wrong | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
policy, a massive middle class hung and not the right way to use public | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
money, but the government are under pressure and they have to look again | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
at the interest rate. They ought to look again at maintenance grants, | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
not loans, and various other things at the edges. I agree entirely. The | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
other thing is that at last, the market has begun to kick in. It is | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
extraordinary that until now students have been charged ?9,000 to | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
go to Imperial, London, or Oxford, or Cambridge, and ?9,000 to take | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
pretty third-rate degrees at pretty second-rate universities. It has | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
been extraordinary that students have not until now protested that | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
they are paying the same amount of money for really good goods and | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
ready bad goods. That is beginning to kick in. You need shorter | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
courses, too, much more technical education, that all needs to come | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
out of this. Allen, one question on Labour. Any evidence that team | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
Corbyn is reaching out to all wings of the party, as opposed to just | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
consolidating their grip on the party? Not that I have seen. And I | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
think the nature of these things, I was just hearing to Mike that in | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
tomorrow's news there is a story about Lucy Anne Burj are being | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
forced to sign a letter of apology to Jeremy Corbyn for saying bad | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
things about him. She once said something. The nature of sectarian | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
politics is that you are constantly looking for purity and constantly | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
looking for scapegoats to sacrifice to the great leader. If they can't | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
get that out of their system, I'm afraid we are back into problems. | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
May be in tomorrow's papers, but as of late this afternoon, not one | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
Labour MP had stood up in her defence. I am sure that will change. | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
I hope it will. Was Jeremy Corbyn forced to sign a letter of loyalty | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
to Tony Blair? Amanda, thank you. Now, are you feeling | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
a bit worse for wear? Is the incessant political | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
pandemonium getting too much? Or maybe you were just on a night | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
out with Mike Ashley of Sports Direct, or worse, | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
work for him. Either way, Boris Johnson knows | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
a thing or two about feeling blue. He's very sad because his | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
Foreign Office nanny doesn't let him Or mount a leadership | :39:50. | :39:51. | |
challenge against Mrs May. So, if like Boris, you're feeling | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
a bit down in the dumps, don't worry, we're here | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
for you and we're putting # Yes, I'm a just | :39:58. | :39:59. | |
little, too sensitive. Big bad John relaxed | :40:00. | :40:12. | |
the dress code last Thursday. THE SPEAKER: Do I think it's | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
essential that a member wears a tie? Rather than celebrating the NHS, | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
the party opposite, rather shamelessly, have tried to weaponise | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
the NHS as a mere political But did it warrant this touchy | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
response from John Hayes on Monday? I ought to say, as a matter | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
of courtesy, I won't be taking interventions from anyone who's not | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
wearing a tie. Meanwhile, far-left French | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
politicians took offence to President Emmanuel Macron's | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
Versailles address on Monday. Was the regal setting | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
was an affront to democracy? He portrayed himself as a sort | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
of a god and we have something against gods and we have | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
something against Kings, Was it grass of the Duchess | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
of Cornwall to snigger through a traditional Inuit throat | :41:02. | :41:11. | |
singing performance in Canada? Sometimes a lack of | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
effort causes offence. Was EU Commission President | :41:15. | :41:25. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker right to get tetchy about the poor turnout | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
for his appearance in I will never again attend | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
a meeting of this kind. Controversial philosopher, | :41:33. | :41:42. | |
Slavoy Zizek, thinks we live in a hyper-sensitive age, | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
so what does that mean for politics? # Yes I'm just a little, | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
too sensitive...#. Welcome to the programme. Why have | :41:51. | :42:05. | |
we become so hypersensitive? First, let me say how grateful I am that I | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
am here with you, our supreme leader. The dream of us philosophers | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
is always to have a supreme leader but signally to give your advisers | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
to control you. Let's go on sensitivity. It's interesting how on | :42:20. | :42:28. | |
the one hand, but it's a limited phenomenon, we are becoming more and | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
more sensitive. Look at this obsession with harassment. It | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
happens to me all the time. You look a woman into the hive for one second | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
too much, it is a visual rate. You use a dirty word, it is verbal rape, | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
and so on. But the key to this phenomenon and we have it at a | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
different level. For example, what fascinates me is that we do not live | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
in an era of consumerism, but strictly controlled consumerism. | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
Beer, yes, but without alcohol, coffee, yes, but without caffeine. | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
Even sex without sex, in some sense. I think that our dream is this type | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
of controlled pleasure, where you avoid any threat. This is why I even | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
find very suspicious, and I am not a smoker, this obsession with the | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
danger of smoking. Many of my leftist friends who are otherwise | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
for free drugs and so on, with smoking, you stop it. And I think, | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
as a philosopher, what makes me really sad about it is what a sad | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
image of our human elation is is implied in this. Other persons are | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
basically viewed as a threat. Although they speak about tolerance, | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
they need -- beneath all this political correctness is terrible in | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
tolerance. It is, remain at the proper distance, don't come too | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
close to me as a briefing, living being with certain desires and so | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
on. But what is so interesting is that this type of hypersensitivity | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
is accompanied by another phenomenon. It is enigmatic which | :44:18. | :44:25. | |
comes first, what even some people now in Germany called the great | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
regression. Here I am, a leftist Conservative. I believe in good | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
manners. I believe in talking nice, gently and in some populist right | :44:39. | :44:46. | |
thinks you can render and now publicly, which simply were not | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
acceptable five or ten years ago. On the one hand, this leftist cultural | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
elite is getting more and more sensitive, which words do you use. | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
They like, Liberal lefties, they like to feel guilty. We no longer | :45:04. | :45:13. | |
use the N-word. I agree with it. OK, Black. No, black is too racist, | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
African Americans. And it goes on. What about those from the Caribbean | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
who are not from Africa? This is what left Liberals love, to feel | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
guilty. This recycling stuff. Did you put your Coke bottles aside? No, | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
but did you put newspapers aside. Of course, you never do enough. I think | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
this is a false option. It is just a shadow of monks more dangerous | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
process which is again the vulgarisation of our lives. One can | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
see how they work together. For example, you remember how the Bush | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
administration, I think, referred to torture as in hardest interrogation | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
techniques. I can predict what will happen. Rape will become an enhanced | :46:02. | :46:09. | |
seduction technique, and so on. So I think I see the danger of political | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
correctness. Of course, I agree with it when it means really preventing | :46:15. | :46:23. | |
brutality, suffering. But political correctness, the waiters practised, | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
its function is to distract from real problems and so on. From actual | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
problems of ordinary working people. That's why I think political | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
correctness is partly responsible for the election of Donald Trump. It | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
symbolises what is wrong with the Democratic party. On that point, we | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
have to leave it there. I don't know why I bothered writing these other | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
questions. I just got one question. A supreme leader does not act like | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
this. You really need an adviser. It was a wonderful answer and I am not | :47:03. | :47:04. | |
at all sensitive. Now, that's your lot for tonight, | :47:05. | :47:06. | |
folks, but not for us. We're off to Malia for Mike Ashley's | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
boozy business bonanza. He's hosting a lock | :47:10. | :47:11. | |
in with all the Z list Even Red Ed Miliband was spotted | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
aboard a flight from Stanstead, lining his stomach with UHT milk | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
so he doesn't vomit in the fireplace Mike has offered us millions | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
of pounds to bring our very own line up of vintage political giants, | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
so we couldn't resist. Nighty night, don't let | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
the G20 celebrations bite. Please join me in | :47:28. | :47:39. | |
welcoming Coldplay. # And so lying underneath | :47:40. | :48:33. | |
the stormy skies...# | :48:34. | :48:40. |