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Launch control, this is Houston, we are go for launch.

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There have been launches before, and relaunches.

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The clock is running. Houston, we have cleared the studio.

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But is Team May flying high, or high and dry?

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If only it was just about the blastoff.

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Then I take the controls and I steer it around for a nice soft

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Only a clean, hard Brexit will ensure all our safety.

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A disagreement? How about an awkward coalition to sort it out? Houston,

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we have a problem. I have been telling you so four-year is.

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The Apollo 13 spacecraft is apparently losing breathing oxygen.

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The emergency has ruled out any chance of a lunar landing.

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Strap yourselves in, take a good swig of rocket fuel.

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The PM said she did when she heard the exit poll on election night.

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I suspect there's a bit of British understatement in that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if she bawled her eyes out.

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After all, having gone from hero to zero in only one

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disastrous election campaign, that would be a pretty

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But perhaps even the Mark II version of the MayBot has yet to perfect

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I'm sure the Mark III version will gush like Niagara Falls.

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The Labour leader and his merry band of Corbynistas have been crying

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tears of joy since the exit poll, even though they lost.

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But politics is not really about the crying game.

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And we now live in a political culture in which one week

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you're cock of the walk, next week you're a feather duster.

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Mr Corbyn needs to find a way of provoking a snap election

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this side of Christmas, to capitalise on his

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If the May Government can stumble on into 2018,

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it's by no means clear who would then have

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Speaking of those whose stumbling from pillar to post would bring

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tears to a glass eye, I'm joined on the sofa

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tonight by two political has-beens whose careers have

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I speak, of course, of Ed #dancingqueen Balls

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Michael, your moment of the week. On the issue you touched upon as to

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whether there might be another general election in 2017, the

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Government learned this week, not to get 's a prize but it will have been

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a joke, that Labour will not be supporting the first stage known as

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the second reading of the withdrawal from the European Union Bill. There

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must be a question as to whether it will get the bill through that first

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stage, and almost no question that the bill will thereafter be

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massively amended. Since there is also no doubt that this bill is the

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flagship of the legislation of the Government, if it is not able to get

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through with that, it would be very close to having lost the confidence

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of the House of Commons. So I think that was an important moment. We

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will come back to that and discuss why you are wrong. Ed Balls, your

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moment of the week will stop the admission by Donald Trump Jr,

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through the e-mails he published, that he not only responded to a

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Russian inspired contact saying they had information which would damage

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Hillary Clinton, but also involved the campaign manager for Donald

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Trump and his brother-in-law in the meeting. It is hard to believe his

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klaxon was not sounding. If you were a politician, you would know. But

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that terrible combination of arrogance and naivete, arrogance to

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think you can do what you like and naivete not to see what an

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incredibly stupid thing it was to have a meeting... Amateur hour at

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Trump Tower. Who would have thought back in January that we would be

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having a real conversation today about who could go more quickly in

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the next 12 months, Theresa May or Donald Trump? I am not sure what the

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betting stakes are but I think it is quite tight. The e-mail he was

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bonded to said, this information we want to give you is part of the

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Russian government's support to get you elected. That was the real bit

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in neon sign that should have been a warning. The President says he was

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not involved, but his son involved his closest aide, Jared Kushner, and

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the campaign manager. It was unbelievably reckless and I think we

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may find out worse than that. We shall see. It has certainly been the

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first real development of substance in this story.

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Now, Labour peer Andrew Adonis has attacked the greed, as he puts it,

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of senior academics who pay themselves huge salaries.

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I don't think he appreciates the hard work and dedication

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of professors of media studies who chart, analyse, archive

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and chronicle every segment, every interview, every beautifully

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crafted monologue, every film of the state-of-the-art

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Courses are still available at Scunthorpe University

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for a tenner a week and all the curry you can eat.

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Speaking of beer, here's Nigel Farage, in a pub,

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Project Fear is back with a vengeance and it's

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MPs and Lords want to keep us shackled to the customs union

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and to the single market, a so-called soft Brexit.

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A soft Brexit will mean the bureaucrats governing us

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for generations to come, taking away our sovereignty

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Luckily, we have a Prime Minister who is committed

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Proper Brexit, liberation from the customs union

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Unluckily, the outcome of Mrs May's election gamble means that she now

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has Remoaners on her own backbenches who would like to prevent

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the will of the people, so she's had to turn

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Trouble is, although Corbyn is an old Bennite Leaver,

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the Shadow Brexit Secretary keeps talking about perhaps staying

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in the customs union and the single market,

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and most of the backbench is actually still strongly

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The point is, the public voted in a free and fair

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And I'll tell you something, if it's not delivered,

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Our politicians are going to make a pig's ear of their own reputations

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and we're going to get egg on our face on the global stage.

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And Nigel Farage has managed to stagger from

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the Westminster Arms to our arms in our Westminster studios.

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Thank you. Are you worried that the election result, how it came out,

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means that Brexit might not now happen? No, Brexit will happen, we

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will leave the European Union. The question is, will we leave in name

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only? Of course I am worried about Parliamentary arithmetic. I'm even

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more worried about the EU chief negotiator this week taking a very

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different line yesterday. And today, meeting Sturgeon, meeting Corbyn,

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clearly playing a game of divide and draw. But he did not say anything

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after the meetings. He didn't need to. He has to see them, surely. He

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has to see the Leader of the Opposition because if there is a

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snap election, Mr Corbyn will be heading the negotiations. I don't

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think he had to see any of them. It does no harm, really. The next time

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Mrs May or David Davis gets up and says, this is where the negotiations

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are, party leaders will say, he told us something different. Sophy Ridge

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has driven quite a wedge today in the Brexit negotiations. -- he has

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driven quite a wedge. The EU negotiations are getting tougher and

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harder but President Macron thinks he has a better chance pinching the

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City's business than taking it to Paris, whether that is realistic or

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not. Because the government is divided, Parliament is divided,

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there is a question about how you would get it through the House of

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Commons, through the House of Lords. With such division and weakness on

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the British side, why would the European Union give any concessions?

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And the economy is slowing. Living standards are being squeezed, the

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pound is weak. Brexit talks could soon be in crisis. Is there not a

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danger that public opinion could turn against Leave? At the moment,

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public opinion wants the job done. But the idea that people voted for a

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hard Brexit is just aren't true. Many people on the Leave campaign

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were saying they wanted to stay in the single market. No, they weren't,

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that is baloney. Who said that? I think there were people in the Leave

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campaign. Every player on both Remainer and leaves could not have

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been clearer that a vote to leave was a vote to leave the single

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market also. No one was in doubt about that. I don't think that is

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what the public heard. I think they heard leaving and "Leaving". The

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point I was going to make was that since the general election we have

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started to hear the business voice, which was absent in the election

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campaign, saying, OK, we are going to leave, but if you leave and leave

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means leaving the customs union, or most of the single market, the

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impact that would have on jobs and investment and bureaucracy, more

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regulation, not less, would be disastrous for jobs and investment.

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There is a phrase going back many centuries, don't cut off your nose

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to spite your face. I fear that Nigel is trying to cut off the nose

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of the nation by demanding and putting the Prime Minister in a

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position where unless she delivers an impossible thing, she will have

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failed. What is impossible? To have a Brexit which does not involve a

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financial contribution, because there will have to be a financial

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contribution. The argument is about size. Exactly. But if we are to have

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an ongoing, sensible relationship which means we do not end up with

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bigger regulatory burdens, we need mechanisms to manage our trade and

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regulatory relations with the European Union. If those are called

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by Nigel bureaucracy and we break from that entirely, in the end, you

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end up breaking away from our main trading partner and piling extra

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regulation and cost on British business. It is a great big world

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out there. Why you talk about the 15% of the globe's GDP as the be all

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and end all is beyond me. Lets not fight the referendum again. That's

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look at where we are now. The problem is that corporate Britain is

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organised. The same people that campaign for us to join the euro are

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now campaigning to stay in the customs union. There is not a voice

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of opposition. We saw this when the CBI wanted Britain to join the

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pound. We desperately need British business... Hang on. We are not

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going to refight the referendum. We are not going to refight the Battle

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of whether we should join the euro or not. Please, be quiet. Just be

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quiet. Is there not a sense of drift? The head of the National

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Audit Office, an independent body, respected senior civil servant, says

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the government is putting a successful Brexit at risk by failing

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to show active and energetic leadership.

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Michel Barnier said this week, I hear the clock ticking, and he's

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right. We did that and gathered, -- we delete and dallied, we've wasted

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time with a general election that didn't work, so yes I am worried. He

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says nobody can show him a plan for Brexit and he's the head of the

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National Audit Office. I am concerned, and perhaps it gets back

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to Theresa May. How can you have somebody leading the whole of this

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was still clearly doesn't believe in it? You don't think she is in

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favour? She was asked four times in that interview by Paxman, did she

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now agree with Brexit? I don't know a single leading Tory Eurosceptic

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who agrees with you. They are worried about Mr Hammond, the

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Chancellor, they are worried about Amber Rudd and a number of other

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people in the Cabinet who they don't think their hearts are in it, but

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not one of them has ever expressed any doubts... I would say that some

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of the Eurosceptics in the Cabinet are quite worried about the

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inflexibility of her positions. It's too hard line? And I think that will

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cost her the job. Let me come back to your moment of the week, because

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it's clear that Labour will mount a guerrilla war against the Brexit

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legislation in Parliament. They need, and they hope to provoke an

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early election. I don't disagree with that. But the Tory side is

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going to stay solid on this, because they don't want another early

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election, and there are a sizeable number of pro-Brexit Labour rebels.

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You add them to the DUP and a whipped Tory party and the

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government is always likely to get a majority. Well, the government may

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get through second reading... You said it might not I'm saying, if you

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look at the Parliamentary arithmetic, how does it lose? You

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take a whipped Tory party that will be reunited, you act in the DUP and

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there are 20 odd Labour Brexiteers will vote. You will -- how will they

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lose? And then there are 100 amendments... And then the bill, as

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amended, has to be amended again by the government to get it back. On

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fundamental amendments, they will still be able to count on that

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alliance of Labour Brexiteers, DUP and the Conservatives. I doubt it,

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because there will be argued that what is a fundamental Amendment. I

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think on particular issues, as they start to arrive, as we saw this

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week, suddenly that hard majority for Brexit starts to have some

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doubts when there's arguments are made. In the last 24 hours, you now

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have Conservative chairs of the select committees for Treasury and

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foreign affairs, as well as death row, Labour chairs of Brexit and

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home affairs and business, all of whom disagree with Nigel's hard

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Brexit vision and want something. -- as well as Defra. Real Brexit! We

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voted to leave! You are worried about Parliament. I am. I am

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concerned, actually more about amendments getting through. I'm

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concerned that a gradual watering down and the government falling on

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this. But your point is right. The political class are fighting back

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very hard. All I can say is, if we reach a period at the end of 2019 at

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the end of all of this when we really haven't got Brexit, I think

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we are going to see a backlash the likes of which we may never have

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seen. Maybe, for your side of the argument, your best hope is that Mrs

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May will show steely determination on this, because her only hope of

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not going down in the history books as a total failure, which is what

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she would at the moment if there was to be an election in September, is

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to secure a successful Brexit deal. If she doesn't do that, she is not a

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success. I think it's very hard indeed for her to be a serious

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negotiator with Europe. It will be very hard not to have a general

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election before the final deal is done, and the Conservatives would be

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much better at using another leader, probably David Davis, a Brexiteer

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who is ready to make compromises. This debate will unfold in the next

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year and people will have to realise that, to get a Brexit in the

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national interest which protects jobs and investment, they'll have to

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ignore Nigel Farage and his extreme arguments... Oh, please! 52% of

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people voted for it. You may not like it and I tell you what... You

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can fight for it all you like. In the grip of corporate Britain and

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their pay, you can fight as hard as you like, but the fact is, if we

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have a second referendum, it will be a bigger majority. We have run out

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of time on this. We've overrun on this. We need to move on. Nigel

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Farage, thank you. Now, it's late - cuddle and a cry

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with Philip May late. But if, like the Prime Minister,

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you'd rather not hear about the 2017 general election ever again,

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fear not, because waiting in the wings is comedian

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Richard Herring, here to put So go Facebonkers,

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Snapcrazy and Twitterrific. You can even bring your

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Instagranny for all we care. So, Mrs May moved into

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Downing Street a year ago today. Well, happy anniversary,

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Prime Minister. Though to paraphrase the Japanese

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emperor after the Americans dropped the second atom bomb on his country,

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recent events have not developed We were going to throw

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you a party but the DUP said it As teetotal Presbyterians they

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weren't that keen on parties anyway. We bought you a cake

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but Boris Johnson ate it. We invited the whole

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of the Parliamentary party and your two former closest

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advisers, Lady Macbeth and Rasputin. So we had no idea how

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much Blue Nun to order. It's always been lonely at the top

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but this is solitude of a new order. Here's Sky's Beth Rigby

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with her round up of the week. Prosecco price wars,

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Wimbledon wash-outs and mutinous mutterings

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about the party leadership. All we need now is a hosepipe

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ban to know that summer Well, that means one thing - it's

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time for the This Week summer party! It wouldn't be a party

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without the This Week marquee. The big tents are all

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the rage these days. The Prime Minister had

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a relaunch this week, promising to throw the Tory tent

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flaps wide in an attempt to deliver But Jeremy Corbyn's in no mood

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to play happy campers. If the Prime Minister would like it,

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I'm very happy to furnish her with a copy of our election

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manifesto or, better still, an early election in order

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that the people of this But it looks like the PM's

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fluffy relaunch has been Hey, somebody's been pulling out

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the pegs of the big tent! MPs on both sides of the House

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are still smarting from an election marked by personal

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abuse and intimidation. And the Prime Minister has now

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called for an investigation, as MPs What is different about what is

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happening at this election, in which I was subjected

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to anti-Semitic abuse, my staff were spat at,

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my boards and property were attacked, is that it has been

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politically motivated, and the elephant in the room

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here is it has been motivated by the language of some

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of our political leaders. Now they press a button and you read

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violent abuse which, 30 years ago, people would have been frightened

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to even write down. So I accept that male

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politicians get abuse too, but I hope the one thing we can

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agree on in this chamber If it's good enough

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for the Beckhams. Thanks, Liz, I'll have milk

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and two sugars, please. # Well, my idea of heaven

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is a nice cup of tea...# Well, Michel Barnier's proven

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a tough nut to crack in those David Davis meanwhile admitted

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that the two-year deadline Yes, I believe we can get a free

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trade negotiation included, and the customs agreement

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negotiation concluded in the period. What will be much more difficult,

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however, is to get all the practical Not so much for us -

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it will be quite tough to get our customs in the right place in two

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years, but it's doable. But to get the French customs

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in the same place in two years, or the Belgian or the Dutch customs,

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I think will be a different issue. A major sticking point

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is the divorce bill. Some reports put the figure at up

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to 100 billion euros. Boris Johnson said the Government

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would never pay that amount. The sums that I have seen

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that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be

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extortionate, and I think go whistle would be an entirely

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appropriate expression. The Prime Minister missed PMQs this

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week to attend a state visit by the King of Spain,

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where she tried to smile politely Damian Green stood in and clashed

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with Emily Thornberry over the Government's

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progress over Brexit. What does no deal actually

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mean for our businesses, for our people and for issues such

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as the Irish land border? So, can the First Secretary

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address this question now - what does no deal look

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like in practice? The First Secretary downplayed

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the risk of no deal. Unemployment is now down

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to its lowest level In the last week alone,

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both the United States and Australia have said they would like to sign

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trade deals with Britain So I'm happy to report to her that

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negotiations are going well and that her fear of no deal

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is probably overstated. Well, it's not exactly

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been a textbook relaunch Even the National Audit Office has

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weighed in, comparing her fragmented approach to Brexit

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to a chocolate orange. But the Prime Minister was at least

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trying to show her softer side. I knew the campaign

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wasn't going perfectly, but still the messages I was getting

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from people I was speaking to were that we were going to get

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a better result than we did. The production team didn't make it

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past the Beefeaters and they've Fernando, can you run

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me to Annabel's? Our thanks to the palatial

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Savoy Hotel for putting up with us. And with us now, the Telegraph's

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Rosa Prince, who's written biographies about Theresa May

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and Jeremy Corbyn, which means she's totally ill-qualifed to talk

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about either of them. Is Theresa May capable of

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reinventing herself? I think if you declare something a relaunch or

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reinvention you've lost half the battle. In a way, she's in such a

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political stalemate at the moment, a game of chess in which there is

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nowhere for her to move, that she's just got to keep plugging away, keep

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surviving. I think that's the best chance of survival, to do nothing,

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to stay there, be the Prime Minister and let others work out anyway to

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get rid of her. For the moment, they don't seem able to. She's been in

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politics for decades. People know her but she's never really changed

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from what we can see from the outside. How could she change now? I

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thought question about shedding a tear was interesting, the way she

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hesitated, groping around in her mind for a few seconds, thinking how

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to play that one. I think, if she had succeeded in changing the

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approach, if there had been an internal relaunch, she'd have dealt

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with that question rather more deftly than she did. I think, on the

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other hand, it's difficult for of us to appreciate the psychological

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trauma that she has been through. To call the general election and to

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lose the majority would be devastating. I'm quite puzzled about

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how she gets up in the morning, to be honest. It must be absolutely

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shocking, what she's been through. As you say, still to be there is, in

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a sense, an achievement, but it doesn't necessarily suggest she'll

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be there long. Can she reinvented herself? Once people are talking

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about the relaunch, it's probably too late. To me, this feels quite

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redolent of John Major after 1992, the cones Hotline... Gordon Brown.

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And Tony Blair had his moments. Gordon Brown not signing the Treaty

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on Lisbon, Iain Duncan Smith talking about being the quiet man, the point

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when you almost have to claim a relaunch. She had one to the days

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which was enriching out relaunch and today was an emotional one. I think

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it's good to show the real hurt, but the problem she'll have is, you do a

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relaunch, most people don't notice in the country and a week later

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nothing 's changed, do you do a third or fourth relaunch? The

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problem is, once it's set, it's really hard to shift things again.

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She's clearly not going to lead her party into another general election,

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so it makes you wonder, why does their image really matter? Surely if

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she's not going to fight another general election, she should just

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get on with the job. I think so. What brought her to this

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position in the first place was that she was not the glittering David

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Cameron type. This time last year, everyone rather liked that she was

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quiet, understated, wasn't particularly good at talking to

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people, and that did her quite well for ten months. It went horribly

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wrong during the election. That was when the British people got to see

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her. They thought they liked her but didn't really know her. The election

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campaign gave her a chance to know her and they didn't like what they

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saw. Perhaps the problem for her is that general elections need a

:31:20.:31:23.

different type of person own band running the country. Now she is back

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to running the country, if she can do her submarine act and submerge

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for a bit... Hard to do as Prime Minister. Without a majority! Is she

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a better Prime Minister than an election campaign? Probably.

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Three-year, as you say, things were not going to badly. A few months ago

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she was 20 points ahead of her political rival and appeared rather

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popular. She was given credit for not being what David Cameron was,

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overly talkative, launching half baked initiatives every day of the

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week. She did none of that, but what a difference a month makes, all the

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difference in the world. We were all shocked by what happened in the

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election. None of us conceived that you could lose a 20% margin in 30

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days. Imagine how shocked she is. Is Jeremy Corbyn, as leader of the

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Labour Party, the same Jeremy Corbyn who was a far left rubble and

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agitator? No. If you look at the pictures from PMQs, the collapse in

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Mauro, standing and puff of Theresa May has been matched by a rise of

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Jeremy Corbyn. There is more confidence, more projection. You

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have to give him confidence as well for the way in which he has been

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empathetic and inspired young people, talking about hope. The

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issue now is whether he draws the right lesson. This is the first time

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for 20 years you have a Labour leader who lost a general election

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but has not gone straight into a leadership election. He now has got

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to ask the question, what do I need to do as a leader to go from just

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losing to winning? That is a discussion about policy and style.

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He has to understand the concerns of some voters on Labour on the economy

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and security. The question is will he draw the right lesson is, in the

:33:24.:33:26.

way Neil Kinnock tried to after 1987? And he has not got to do that

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while fighting a leadership election, so it is a big test for

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him. If he has changed, why has he surrounded himself with the hard

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left? How does that show he has changed? I think he has to broaden

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his team. You would not have gone near these people. In this

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situation, I would have broadened my Shadow Cabinet. But he hasn't. If he

:33:55.:34:00.

ploughs on with a tight group, thinking more of the same will get

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him the next step, I fear that will not work, but it is up to him. He

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has to ask those questions in Mansfield, parts of Scotland, why

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didn't Labour win? He has to understand the concerns and go and

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talk to voters, not only those who come to his rallies. Compared to

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three months ago, I think there is a chance he could do it, but it won't

:34:23.:34:27.

happen unless he learns the right lessons from the last election. Has

:34:28.:34:32.

Jeremy Corbyn changed? I don't think so. I think there was an ego hidden

:34:33.:34:37.

in there all along that we have now all got to see. I think he enjoys it

:34:38.:34:43.

and he has grown into it and he seems a bit more assured. I am

:34:44.:34:48.

afraid I think that is what he needs to do, to reach out, but he won't.

:34:49.:34:54.

He had those opportunities. He performed so much better than

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anybody in the centre of the Labour Party, like Ed Balls, thought he

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would. So much better. So much better than Theresa May. If an

:35:06.:35:10.

election is caused by the collapse of the Labour government, most of us

:35:11.:35:15.

would bet that Labour would win without any changes. In different

:35:16.:35:17.

circumstances, that might be a different answer. But if the

:35:18.:35:21.

government collapses in the next few months, he is likely to win without

:35:22.:35:25.

making any changes. I think that is the wrong advice. If you want him to

:35:26.:35:31.

win, and maybe you don't. But the reality is, if there is a general

:35:32.:35:34.

election campaign where Jeremy Corbyn is six points behind in the

:35:35.:35:39.

polls for three weeks, you have a real chance of winning. But he has

:35:40.:35:42.

to plan for a campaign where Labour is ahead and people are asking, can

:35:43.:35:47.

Jeremy Corbyn become Prime Minister. Then becomes about the team and the.

:35:48.:35:53.

He is not turning to people like new, is he? Because your wing of the

:35:54.:35:56.

Labour Party is now irrelevant to him. He is in charge, his people are

:35:57.:36:02.

in charge. He is moving to take over the party and run it in his image,

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and you can't stop him. Labour exists in parliament to become the

:36:08.:36:10.

government, and that means you have to win a majority. Can he win? I

:36:11.:36:17.

don't he can win a majority because I don't think he is prepared to do

:36:18.:36:21.

what he needs to do to win a majority. He could certainly be the

:36:22.:36:26.

largest party. He had a hard enough time kissing hands when he first

:36:27.:36:35.

became leader. What if the FN Ashman the SNP was to charge a billion?

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Now, what's the toughest part of being an MP?

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Well, there's one aspect of the job that politicians have always

:36:41.:36:47.

found impossible to get right - acting normal.

:36:48.:36:49.

From eating bacon sarnies to executing a Mexican wave,

:36:50.:36:51.

our politicians have always left the rest of us cringing

:36:52.:36:53.

in their attempt to be at one with Joe Public.

:36:54.:36:56.

So it's only fitting we're putting political awkwardness

:36:57.:36:58.

Yes, it's been another awkward week for Donald Trump.

:36:59.:37:08.

His son leaked his own e-mails with a Russian intermediary.

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In retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently.

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Did you tell your father anything about this?

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Thankfully, Kellyanne Conway was on hand to clear it all up.

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This is to help all the people so far.

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So, just so we're clear, everyone, four words -

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Meanwhile, the King of Spain came to visit.

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Cue awkward royal hat moments and uncomfortable topics to address.

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I am certain that this resolve to overcome our differences

:37:54.:37:58.

will be even greater in the case of Gibraltar.

:37:59.:38:01.

In Parliament, one Tory MP shared his thoughts on the PM's

:38:02.:38:08.

clumsy conciliation with Jeremy Corbyn.

:38:09.:38:10.

Given the record of the Leader of the Opposition

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on the Counterterrorism and Security Act, does she possess

:38:13.:38:18.

While at Wimbledon, Andy Murray took exception to one

:38:19.:38:24.

Andy, Sam is the first US player to reach a Major semifinal since 2009.

:38:25.:38:34.

Comedian Richard Herring thinks we're living in a golden age

:38:35.:38:50.

of political awkwardness, and he's loving every minute of it.

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Are we living in an age of unprecedented political awkwardness?

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We have a lot of terrible politicians. Democracy has fallen in

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on itself and given us some terrible people we have to put up with. We

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have had one of them onto night, at least. And he has never even been

:39:22.:39:27.

elected. He is a member of the European Parliament. He is trying to

:39:28.:39:33.

destroy his own... He is not here so let's stick to the awkward

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proposition. Our politicians naturally awkward? I don't think so.

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Maybe it is because we see so much into their lives now, Strictly Come

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Dancing and people dressed in space suits. I don't think Gladstone would

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have done that. That is part of it. It has become entertainment and

:39:52.:39:55.

everyone is school in how to answer questions. Theresa May, throughout

:39:56.:40:02.

the whole election, just giving out her nonsensical answers to

:40:03.:40:05.

questions, carried on doing it after the election in much more difficult

:40:06.:40:08.

circumstances, and we are clever enough to see through it. The

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reference to Gladstone is interesting because we were a much

:40:15.:40:19.

more formal society in the 19th century and politicians were

:40:20.:40:22.

expected to be the formal of a formal. We are now much more

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informal and we probably expect, at least the politicians think they

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need to be more informal, too. It definitely cuts both ways, true.

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They are not very good at it. Theresa May is Prime Minister,

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somehow, and she is the most awkward person. As we have seen, that

:40:45.:40:48.

incredible election campaign where she went from basically the

:40:49.:40:50.

Conservative Party's name was not even on the banner, and you saw her

:40:51.:40:55.

just fall, as it was too much pressure. As everyone says, she is a

:40:56.:41:02.

very robotic and strange woman who cried at losing an election

:41:03.:41:05.

apparently but did not show any emotion in the coming weeks when

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terrible things happened. I think this is a lazy way of discussing the

:41:10.:41:14.

subject. The politicians we have are not a breed, not born separately,

:41:15.:41:19.

not a different species. They arise from the public. If you think

:41:20.:41:23.

politicians are so dreadful, be a politician yourself, stop whining

:41:24.:41:29.

about it. I have just been asked to talk about it. I have a lot of

:41:30.:41:35.

respect for a lot of politicians but it is the people who are rising to

:41:36.:41:39.

the top. I think there are a lot of great politicians and MPs and I do

:41:40.:41:43.

not say any politician is awful but there are a lot of politicians

:41:44.:41:47.

rising up from the same school, so it's all very well to say... It was

:41:48.:41:55.

my attempt at changing your June. I am not changing my tune. I am

:41:56.:41:59.

talking about Trump and May, and even called in to an extent. You are

:42:00.:42:04.

just going for the easy targets. I am going for the people in charge,

:42:05.:42:08.

which is what we are talking about. There are plenty of decent

:42:09.:42:12.

politicians but because it is so showbiz, the wrong people are pushed

:42:13.:42:18.

to the top. It is also 24-7, so you have more chance to see awkward

:42:19.:42:23.

moments. In days gone by, you would never have got to see them. There is

:42:24.:42:29.

such inconsistency in what you say. It is showbiz and people are pushed

:42:30.:42:32.

to the top. Mrs May has not been pushed to the top because she is

:42:33.:42:37.

showbiz. You have not bought the thing through, have you? We are

:42:38.:42:40.

talking about lots of different things. She has not done a good job.

:42:41.:42:45.

We are talking about awkwardness and she has been very awkward. She has

:42:46.:42:50.

been treated as a showbiz person. After the Grenfell Tower disaster,

:42:51.:42:54.

if she had just said, this is terrible and answered as a human

:42:55.:42:57.

being, she could have turned everything around within two or

:42:58.:43:02.

three days. Instead, she did what she did in the election, which was

:43:03.:43:06.

to give what she had trotted out, Brexit means Brexit, we are not

:43:07.:43:09.

answering the question, and people turned against her. That is where

:43:10.:43:15.

she was weakened. Who is more awkward, Gordon Brown or Theresa

:43:16.:43:21.

May? I think Theresa May is as awkward in private as she is in

:43:22.:43:25.

public, and Gordon was somebody who in private was much more at ease

:43:26.:43:29.

with himself and found it very hard to convey that on camera. One of the

:43:30.:43:35.

things which Richard isn't taking into account is that the reality is

:43:36.:43:38.

it is quite hard not to be awkward when you are asked to do important

:43:39.:43:42.

or difficult things, but being filmed with cameras and

:43:43.:43:46.

photographers around you. In the end, you have to be able to put that

:43:47.:43:50.

to one side and be yourself and be as authentic as you can. Gordon

:43:51.:43:56.

found it hard, Theresa May finds it impossible. Tony Blair was better at

:43:57.:43:59.

that but you probably dislike him for different reasons. What are you

:44:00.:44:05.

up to? Ayew I'm doing in Edinburgh show. I have a book of emergency

:44:06.:44:09.

questions that can help you out. But not for us - we're off to Number

:44:10.:44:15.

10 for Theresa May's annual Chocolate Oranges for every

:44:16.:44:22.

participant and a bottle of prosecco for the winning team -

:44:23.:44:26.

Philip May should be warming it up Anyway, here's a sneak peek

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