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13/07/2017

Andrew Neil is joined by Michael Portillo, Ed Balls and biographer Rosa Price. Nigel Farage gives his take on Brexit talks, while Richard Herring looks at being awkward.


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Launch control, this is Houston, we are go for launch.

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There have been launches before, and relaunches.

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The clock is running. Houston, we have cleared the studio.

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But is Team May flying high, or high and dry?

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If only it was just about the blastoff.

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Then I take the controls and I steer it around for a nice soft

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Only a clean, hard Brexit will ensure all our safety.

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A disagreement? How about an awkward coalition to sort it out? Houston,

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we have a problem. I have been telling you so four-year is.

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The Apollo 13 spacecraft is apparently losing breathing oxygen.

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The emergency has ruled out any chance of a lunar landing.

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Strap yourselves in, take a good swig of rocket fuel.

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The PM said she did when she heard the exit poll on election night.

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I suspect there's a bit of British understatement in that.

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I wouldn't be surprised if she bawled her eyes out.

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After all, having gone from hero to zero in only one

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disastrous election campaign, that would be a pretty

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But perhaps even the Mark II version of the MayBot has yet to perfect

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I'm sure the Mark III version will gush like Niagara Falls.

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The Labour leader and his merry band of Corbynistas have been crying

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tears of joy since the exit poll, even though they lost.

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But politics is not really about the crying game.

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And we now live in a political culture in which one week

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you're cock of the walk, next week you're a feather duster.

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Mr Corbyn needs to find a way of provoking a snap election

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this side of Christmas, to capitalise on his

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If the May Government can stumble on into 2018,

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it's by no means clear who would then have

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Speaking of those whose stumbling from pillar to post would bring

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tears to a glass eye, I'm joined on the sofa

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tonight by two political has-beens whose careers have

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I speak, of course, of Ed #dancingqueen Balls

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Michael, your moment of the week. On the issue you touched upon as to

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whether there might be another general election in 2017, the

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Government learned this week, not to get 's a prize but it will have been

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a joke, that Labour will not be supporting the first stage known as

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the second reading of the withdrawal from the European Union Bill. There

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must be a question as to whether it will get the bill through that first

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stage, and almost no question that the bill will thereafter be

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massively amended. Since there is also no doubt that this bill is the

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flagship of the legislation of the Government, if it is not able to get

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through with that, it would be very close to having lost the confidence

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of the House of Commons. So I think that was an important moment. We

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will come back to that and discuss why you are wrong. Ed Balls, your

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moment of the week will stop the admission by Donald Trump Jr,

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through the e-mails he published, that he not only responded to a

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Russian inspired contact saying they had information which would damage

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Hillary Clinton, but also involved the campaign manager for Donald

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Trump and his brother-in-law in the meeting. It is hard to believe his

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klaxon was not sounding. If you were a politician, you would know. But

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that terrible combination of arrogance and naivete, arrogance to

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think you can do what you like and naivete not to see what an

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incredibly stupid thing it was to have a meeting... Amateur hour at

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Trump Tower. Who would have thought back in January that we would be

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having a real conversation today about who could go more quickly in

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the next 12 months, Theresa May or Donald Trump? I am not sure what the

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betting stakes are but I think it is quite tight. The e-mail he was

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bonded to said, this information we want to give you is part of the

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Russian government's support to get you elected. That was the real bit

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in neon sign that should have been a warning. The President says he was

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not involved, but his son involved his closest aide, Jared Kushner, and

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the campaign manager. It was unbelievably reckless and I think we

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may find out worse than that. We shall see. It has certainly been the

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first real development of substance in this story.

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Now, Labour peer Andrew Adonis has attacked the greed, as he puts it,

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of senior academics who pay themselves huge salaries.

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I don't think he appreciates the hard work and dedication

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of professors of media studies who chart, analyse, archive

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and chronicle every segment, every interview, every beautifully

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crafted monologue, every film of the state-of-the-art

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Courses are still available at Scunthorpe University

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for a tenner a week and all the curry you can eat.

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Speaking of beer, here's Nigel Farage, in a pub,

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Project Fear is back with a vengeance and it's

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MPs and Lords want to keep us shackled to the customs union

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and to the single market, a so-called soft Brexit.

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A soft Brexit will mean the bureaucrats governing us

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for generations to come, taking away our sovereignty

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Luckily, we have a Prime Minister who is committed

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Proper Brexit, liberation from the customs union

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Unluckily, the outcome of Mrs May's election gamble means that she now

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has Remoaners on her own backbenches who would like to prevent

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the will of the people, so she's had to turn

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Trouble is, although Corbyn is an old Bennite Leaver,

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the Shadow Brexit Secretary keeps talking about perhaps staying

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in the customs union and the single market,

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and most of the backbench is actually still strongly

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The point is, the public voted in a free and fair

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And I'll tell you something, if it's not delivered,

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Our politicians are going to make a pig's ear of their own reputations

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and we're going to get egg on our face on the global stage.

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And Nigel Farage has managed to stagger from

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the Westminster Arms to our arms in our Westminster studios.

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Thank you. Are you worried that the election result, how it came out,

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means that Brexit might not now happen? No, Brexit will happen, we

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will leave the European Union. The question is, will we leave in name

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only? Of course I am worried about Parliamentary arithmetic. I'm even

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more worried about the EU chief negotiator this week taking a very

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different line yesterday. And today, meeting Sturgeon, meeting Corbyn,

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clearly playing a game of divide and draw. But he did not say anything

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after the meetings. He didn't need to. He has to see them, surely. He

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has to see the Leader of the Opposition because if there is a

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snap election, Mr Corbyn will be heading the negotiations. I don't

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think he had to see any of them. It does no harm, really. The next time

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Mrs May or David Davis gets up and says, this is where the negotiations

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are, party leaders will say, he told us something different. Sophy Ridge

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has driven quite a wedge today in the Brexit negotiations. -- he has

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driven quite a wedge. The EU negotiations are getting tougher and

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harder but President Macron thinks he has a better chance pinching the

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City's business than taking it to Paris, whether that is realistic or

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not. Because the government is divided, Parliament is divided,

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there is a question about how you would get it through the House of

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Commons, through the House of Lords. With such division and weakness on

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the British side, why would the European Union give any concessions?

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And the economy is slowing. Living standards are being squeezed, the

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pound is weak. Brexit talks could soon be in crisis. Is there not a

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danger that public opinion could turn against Leave? At the moment,

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public opinion wants the job done. But the idea that people voted for a

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hard Brexit is just aren't true. Many people on the Leave campaign

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were saying they wanted to stay in the single market. No, they weren't,

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that is baloney. Who said that? I think there were people in the Leave

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campaign. Every player on both Remainer and leaves could not have

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been clearer that a vote to leave was a vote to leave the single

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market also. No one was in doubt about that. I don't think that is

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what the public heard. I think they heard leaving and "Leaving". The

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point I was going to make was that since the general election we have

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started to hear the business voice, which was absent in the election

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campaign, saying, OK, we are going to leave, but if you leave and leave

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means leaving the customs union, or most of the single market, the

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impact that would have on jobs and investment and bureaucracy, more

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regulation, not less, would be disastrous for jobs and investment.

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There is a phrase going back many centuries, don't cut off your nose

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to spite your face. I fear that Nigel is trying to cut off the nose

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of the nation by demanding and putting the Prime Minister in a

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position where unless she delivers an impossible thing, she will have

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failed. What is impossible? To have a Brexit which does not involve a

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financial contribution, because there will have to be a financial

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contribution. The argument is about size. Exactly. But if we are to have

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an ongoing, sensible relationship which means we do not end up with

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bigger regulatory burdens, we need mechanisms to manage our trade and

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regulatory relations with the European Union. If those are called

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by Nigel bureaucracy and we break from that entirely, in the end, you

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end up breaking away from our main trading partner and piling extra

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regulation and cost on British business. It is a great big world

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out there. Why you talk about the 15% of the globe's GDP as the be all

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and end all is beyond me. Lets not fight the referendum again. That's

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look at where we are now. The problem is that corporate Britain is

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organised. The same people that campaign for us to join the euro are

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now campaigning to stay in the customs union. There is not a voice

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of opposition. We saw this when the CBI wanted Britain to join the

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pound. We desperately need British business... Hang on. We are not

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going to refight the referendum. We are not going to refight the Battle

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of whether we should join the euro or not. Please, be quiet. Just be

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quiet. Is there not a sense of drift? The head of the National

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Audit Office, an independent body, respected senior civil servant, says

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the government is putting a successful Brexit at risk by failing

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to show active and energetic leadership.

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Michel Barnier said this week, I hear the clock ticking, and he's

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right. We did that and gathered, -- we delete and dallied, we've wasted

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time with a general election that didn't work, so yes I am worried. He

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says nobody can show him a plan for Brexit and he's the head of the

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National Audit Office. I am concerned, and perhaps it gets back

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to Theresa May. How can you have somebody leading the whole of this

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was still clearly doesn't believe in it? You don't think she is in

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favour? She was asked four times in that interview by Paxman, did she

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now agree with Brexit? I don't know a single leading Tory Eurosceptic

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who agrees with you. They are worried about Mr Hammond, the

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Chancellor, they are worried about Amber Rudd and a number of other

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people in the Cabinet who they don't think their hearts are in it, but

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not one of them has ever expressed any doubts... I would say that some

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of the Eurosceptics in the Cabinet are quite worried about the

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inflexibility of her positions. It's too hard line? And I think that will

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cost her the job. Let me come back to your moment of the week, because

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it's clear that Labour will mount a guerrilla war against the Brexit

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legislation in Parliament. They need, and they hope to provoke an

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early election. I don't disagree with that. But the Tory side is

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going to stay solid on this, because they don't want another early

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election, and there are a sizeable number of pro-Brexit Labour rebels.

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You add them to the DUP and a whipped Tory party and the

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government is always likely to get a majority. Well, the government may

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get through second reading... You said it might not I'm saying, if you

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look at the Parliamentary arithmetic, how does it lose? You

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take a whipped Tory party that will be reunited, you act in the DUP and

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there are 20 odd Labour Brexiteers will vote. You will -- how will they

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lose? And then there are 100 amendments... And then the bill, as

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amended, has to be amended again by the government to get it back. On

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fundamental amendments, they will still be able to count on that

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alliance of Labour Brexiteers, DUP and the Conservatives. I doubt it,

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because there will be argued that what is a fundamental Amendment. I

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think on particular issues, as they start to arrive, as we saw this

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week, suddenly that hard majority for Brexit starts to have some

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doubts when there's arguments are made. In the last 24 hours, you now

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have Conservative chairs of the select committees for Treasury and

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foreign affairs, as well as death row, Labour chairs of Brexit and

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home affairs and business, all of whom disagree with Nigel's hard

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Brexit vision and want something. -- as well as Defra. Real Brexit! We

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voted to leave! You are worried about Parliament. I am. I am

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concerned, actually more about amendments getting through. I'm

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concerned that a gradual watering down and the government falling on

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this. But your point is right. The political class are fighting back

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very hard. All I can say is, if we reach a period at the end of 2019 at

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the end of all of this when we really haven't got Brexit, I think

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we are going to see a backlash the likes of which we may never have

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seen. Maybe, for your side of the argument, your best hope is that Mrs

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May will show steely determination on this, because her only hope of

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not going down in the history books as a total failure, which is what

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she would at the moment if there was to be an election in September, is

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to secure a successful Brexit deal. If she doesn't do that, she is not a

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success. I think it's very hard indeed for her to be a serious

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negotiator with Europe. It will be very hard not to have a general

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election before the final deal is done, and the Conservatives would be

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much better at using another leader, probably David Davis, a Brexiteer

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who is ready to make compromises. This debate will unfold in the next

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year and people will have to realise that, to get a Brexit in the

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national interest which protects jobs and investment, they'll have to

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ignore Nigel Farage and his extreme arguments... Oh, please! 52% of

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people voted for it. You may not like it and I tell you what... You

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can fight for it all you like. In the grip of corporate Britain and

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their pay, you can fight as hard as you like, but the fact is, if we

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have a second referendum, it will be a bigger majority. We have run out

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of time on this. We've overrun on this. We need to move on. Nigel

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Farage, thank you. Now, it's late - cuddle and a cry

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with Philip May late. But if, like the Prime Minister,

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you'd rather not hear about the 2017 general election ever again,

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fear not, because waiting in the wings is comedian

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Richard Herring, here to put So go Facebonkers,

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Snapcrazy and Twitterrific. You can even bring your

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Instagranny for all we care. So, Mrs May moved into

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Downing Street a year ago today. Well, happy anniversary,

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Prime Minister. Though to paraphrase the Japanese

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emperor after the Americans dropped the second atom bomb on his country,

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recent events have not developed We were going to throw

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you a party but the DUP said it As teetotal Presbyterians they

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weren't that keen on parties anyway. We bought you a cake

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but Boris Johnson ate it. We invited the whole

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of the Parliamentary party and your two former closest

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advisers, Lady Macbeth and Rasputin. So we had no idea how

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much Blue Nun to order. It's always been lonely at the top

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but this is solitude of a new order. Here's Sky's Beth Rigby

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with her round up of the week. Prosecco price wars,

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Wimbledon wash-outs and mutinous mutterings

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about the party leadership. All we need now is a hosepipe

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ban to know that summer Well, that means one thing - it's

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time for the This Week summer party! It wouldn't be a party

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without the This Week marquee. The big tents are all

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the rage these days. The Prime Minister had

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a relaunch this week, promising to throw the Tory tent

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flaps wide in an attempt to deliver But Jeremy Corbyn's in no mood

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to play happy campers. If the Prime Minister would like it,

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I'm very happy to furnish her with a copy of our election

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manifesto or, better still, an early election in order

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that the people of this But it looks like the PM's

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fluffy relaunch has been Hey, somebody's been pulling out

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the pegs of the big tent! MPs on both sides of the House

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are still smarting from an election marked by personal

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abuse and intimidation. And the Prime Minister has now

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called for an investigation, as MPs What is different about what is

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happening at this election, in which I was subjected

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to anti-Semitic abuse, my staff were spat at,

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my boards and property were attacked, is that it has been

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politically motivated, and the elephant in the room

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here is it has been motivated by the language of some

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of our political leaders. Now they press a button and you read

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violent abuse which, 30 years ago, people would have been frightened

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to even write down. So I accept that male

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politicians get abuse too, but I hope the one thing we can

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agree on in this chamber If it's good enough

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for the Beckhams. Thanks, Liz, I'll have milk

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and two sugars, please. # Well, my idea of heaven

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is a nice cup of tea...# Well, Michel Barnier's proven

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a tough nut to crack in those David Davis meanwhile admitted

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that the two-year deadline Yes, I believe we can get a free

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trade negotiation included, and the customs agreement

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negotiation concluded in the period. What will be much more difficult,

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however, is to get all the practical Not so much for us -

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it will be quite tough to get our customs in the right place in two

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years, but it's doable. But to get the French customs

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in the same place in two years, or the Belgian or the Dutch customs,

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I think will be a different issue. A major sticking point

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is the divorce bill. Some reports put the figure at up

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to 100 billion euros. Boris Johnson said the Government

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would never pay that amount. The sums that I have seen

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that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be

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extortionate, and I think go whistle would be an entirely

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appropriate expression. The Prime Minister missed PMQs this

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week to attend a state visit by the King of Spain,

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where she tried to smile politely Damian Green stood in and clashed

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with Emily Thornberry over the Government's

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progress over Brexit. What does no deal actually

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mean for our businesses, for our people and for issues such

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as the Irish land border? So, can the First Secretary

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address this question now - what does no deal look

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like in practice? The First Secretary downplayed

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the risk of no deal. Unemployment is now down

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to its lowest level In the last week alone,

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both the United States and Australia have said they would like to sign

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trade deals with Britain So I'm happy to report to her that

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negotiations are going well and that her fear of no deal

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is probably overstated. Well, it's not exactly

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been a textbook relaunch Even the National Audit Office has

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weighed in, comparing her fragmented approach to Brexit

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to a chocolate orange. But the Prime Minister was at least

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trying to show her softer side. I knew the campaign

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wasn't going perfectly, but still the messages I was getting

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from people I was speaking to were that we were going to get

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a better result than we did. The production team didn't make it

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past the Beefeaters and they've Fernando, can you run

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me to Annabel's? Our thanks to the palatial

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Savoy Hotel for putting up with us. And with us now, the Telegraph's

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Rosa Prince, who's written biographies about Theresa May

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and Jeremy Corbyn, which means she's totally ill-qualifed to talk

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about either of them. Is Theresa May capable of

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reinventing herself? I think if you declare something a relaunch or

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reinvention you've lost half the battle. In a way, she's in such a

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political stalemate at the moment, a game of chess in which there is

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nowhere for her to move, that she's just got to keep plugging away, keep

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surviving. I think that's the best chance of survival, to do nothing,

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to stay there, be the Prime Minister and let others work out anyway to

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get rid of her. For the moment, they don't seem able to. She's been in

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politics for decades. People know her but she's never really changed

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from what we can see from the outside. How could she change now? I

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thought question about shedding a tear was interesting, the way she

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hesitated, groping around in her mind for a few seconds, thinking how

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to play that one. I think, if she had succeeded in changing the

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approach, if there had been an internal relaunch, she'd have dealt

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with that question rather more deftly than she did. I think, on the

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other hand, it's difficult for of us to appreciate the psychological

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trauma that she has been through. To call the general election and to

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lose the majority would be devastating. I'm quite puzzled about

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how she gets up in the morning, to be honest. It must be absolutely

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shocking, what she's been through. As you say, still to be there is, in

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a sense, an achievement, but it doesn't necessarily suggest she'll

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be there long. Can she reinvented herself? Once people are talking

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about the relaunch, it's probably too late. To me, this feels quite

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redolent of John Major after 1992, the cones Hotline... Gordon Brown.

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And Tony Blair had his moments. Gordon Brown not signing the Treaty

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on Lisbon, Iain Duncan Smith talking about being the quiet man, the point

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when you almost have to claim a relaunch. She had one to the days

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which was enriching out relaunch and today was an emotional one. I think

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it's good to show the real hurt, but the problem she'll have is, you do a

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relaunch, most people don't notice in the country and a week later

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nothing 's changed, do you do a third or fourth relaunch? The

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problem is, once it's set, it's really hard to shift things again.

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She's clearly not going to lead her party into another general election,

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so it makes you wonder, why does their image really matter? Surely if

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she's not going to fight another general election, she should just

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get on with the job. I think so. What brought her to this

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position in the first place was that she was not the glittering David

:30:45.:30:50.

Cameron type. This time last year, everyone rather liked that she was

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quiet, understated, wasn't particularly good at talking to

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people, and that did her quite well for ten months. It went horribly

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wrong during the election. That was when the British people got to see

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her. They thought they liked her but didn't really know her. The election

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campaign gave her a chance to know her and they didn't like what they

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saw. Perhaps the problem for her is that general elections need a

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different type of person own band running the country. Now she is back

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to running the country, if she can do her submarine act and submerge

:31:29.:31:33.

for a bit... Hard to do as Prime Minister. Without a majority! Is she

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a better Prime Minister than an election campaign? Probably.

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Three-year, as you say, things were not going to badly. A few months ago

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she was 20 points ahead of her political rival and appeared rather

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popular. She was given credit for not being what David Cameron was,

:31:56.:32:00.

overly talkative, launching half baked initiatives every day of the

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week. She did none of that, but what a difference a month makes, all the

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difference in the world. We were all shocked by what happened in the

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election. None of us conceived that you could lose a 20% margin in 30

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days. Imagine how shocked she is. Is Jeremy Corbyn, as leader of the

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Labour Party, the same Jeremy Corbyn who was a far left rubble and

:32:27.:32:33.

agitator? No. If you look at the pictures from PMQs, the collapse in

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Mauro, standing and puff of Theresa May has been matched by a rise of

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Jeremy Corbyn. There is more confidence, more projection. You

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have to give him confidence as well for the way in which he has been

:32:47.:32:51.

empathetic and inspired young people, talking about hope. The

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issue now is whether he draws the right lesson. This is the first time

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for 20 years you have a Labour leader who lost a general election

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but has not gone straight into a leadership election. He now has got

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to ask the question, what do I need to do as a leader to go from just

:33:09.:33:13.

losing to winning? That is a discussion about policy and style.

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He has to understand the concerns of some voters on Labour on the economy

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and security. The question is will he draw the right lesson is, in the

:33:24.:33:26.

way Neil Kinnock tried to after 1987? And he has not got to do that

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while fighting a leadership election, so it is a big test for

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him. If he has changed, why has he surrounded himself with the hard

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left? How does that show he has changed? I think he has to broaden

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his team. You would not have gone near these people. In this

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situation, I would have broadened my Shadow Cabinet. But he hasn't. If he

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ploughs on with a tight group, thinking more of the same will get

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him the next step, I fear that will not work, but it is up to him. He

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has to ask those questions in Mansfield, parts of Scotland, why

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didn't Labour win? He has to understand the concerns and go and

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talk to voters, not only those who come to his rallies. Compared to

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three months ago, I think there is a chance he could do it, but it won't

:34:23.:34:27.

happen unless he learns the right lessons from the last election. Has

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Jeremy Corbyn changed? I don't think so. I think there was an ego hidden

:34:33.:34:37.

in there all along that we have now all got to see. I think he enjoys it

:34:38.:34:43.

and he has grown into it and he seems a bit more assured. I am

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afraid I think that is what he needs to do, to reach out, but he won't.

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He had those opportunities. He performed so much better than

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anybody in the centre of the Labour Party, like Ed Balls, thought he

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would. So much better. So much better than Theresa May. If an

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election is caused by the collapse of the Labour government, most of us

:35:11.:35:15.

would bet that Labour would win without any changes. In different

:35:16.:35:17.

circumstances, that might be a different answer. But if the

:35:18.:35:21.

government collapses in the next few months, he is likely to win without

:35:22.:35:25.

making any changes. I think that is the wrong advice. If you want him to

:35:26.:35:31.

win, and maybe you don't. But the reality is, if there is a general

:35:32.:35:34.

election campaign where Jeremy Corbyn is six points behind in the

:35:35.:35:39.

polls for three weeks, you have a real chance of winning. But he has

:35:40.:35:42.

to plan for a campaign where Labour is ahead and people are asking, can

:35:43.:35:47.

Jeremy Corbyn become Prime Minister. Then becomes about the team and the.

:35:48.:35:53.

He is not turning to people like new, is he? Because your wing of the

:35:54.:35:56.

Labour Party is now irrelevant to him. He is in charge, his people are

:35:57.:36:02.

in charge. He is moving to take over the party and run it in his image,

:36:03.:36:07.

and you can't stop him. Labour exists in parliament to become the

:36:08.:36:10.

government, and that means you have to win a majority. Can he win? I

:36:11.:36:17.

don't he can win a majority because I don't think he is prepared to do

:36:18.:36:21.

what he needs to do to win a majority. He could certainly be the

:36:22.:36:26.

largest party. He had a hard enough time kissing hands when he first

:36:27.:36:35.

became leader. What if the FN Ashman the SNP was to charge a billion?

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Now, what's the toughest part of being an MP?

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Well, there's one aspect of the job that politicians have always

:36:41.:36:47.

found impossible to get right - acting normal.

:36:48.:36:49.

From eating bacon sarnies to executing a Mexican wave,

:36:50.:36:51.

our politicians have always left the rest of us cringing

:36:52.:36:53.

in their attempt to be at one with Joe Public.

:36:54.:36:56.

So it's only fitting we're putting political awkwardness

:36:57.:36:58.

Yes, it's been another awkward week for Donald Trump.

:36:59.:37:08.

His son leaked his own e-mails with a Russian intermediary.

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In retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently.

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Did you tell your father anything about this?

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Thankfully, Kellyanne Conway was on hand to clear it all up.

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This is to help all the people so far.

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So, just so we're clear, everyone, four words -

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Meanwhile, the King of Spain came to visit.

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Cue awkward royal hat moments and uncomfortable topics to address.

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I am certain that this resolve to overcome our differences

:37:54.:37:58.

will be even greater in the case of Gibraltar.

:37:59.:38:01.

In Parliament, one Tory MP shared his thoughts on the PM's

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clumsy conciliation with Jeremy Corbyn.

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Given the record of the Leader of the Opposition

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on the Counterterrorism and Security Act, does she possess

:38:13.:38:18.

While at Wimbledon, Andy Murray took exception to one

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Andy, Sam is the first US player to reach a Major semifinal since 2009.

:38:25.:38:34.

Comedian Richard Herring thinks we're living in a golden age

:38:35.:38:50.

of political awkwardness, and he's loving every minute of it.

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Are we living in an age of unprecedented political awkwardness?

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We have a lot of terrible politicians. Democracy has fallen in

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on itself and given us some terrible people we have to put up with. We

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have had one of them onto night, at least. And he has never even been

:39:22.:39:27.

elected. He is a member of the European Parliament. He is trying to

:39:28.:39:33.

destroy his own... He is not here so let's stick to the awkward

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proposition. Our politicians naturally awkward? I don't think so.

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Maybe it is because we see so much into their lives now, Strictly Come

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Dancing and people dressed in space suits. I don't think Gladstone would

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have done that. That is part of it. It has become entertainment and

:39:52.:39:55.

everyone is school in how to answer questions. Theresa May, throughout

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the whole election, just giving out her nonsensical answers to

:40:03.:40:05.

questions, carried on doing it after the election in much more difficult

:40:06.:40:08.

circumstances, and we are clever enough to see through it. The

:40:09.:40:14.

reference to Gladstone is interesting because we were a much

:40:15.:40:19.

more formal society in the 19th century and politicians were

:40:20.:40:22.

expected to be the formal of a formal. We are now much more

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informal and we probably expect, at least the politicians think they

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need to be more informal, too. It definitely cuts both ways, true.

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They are not very good at it. Theresa May is Prime Minister,

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somehow, and she is the most awkward person. As we have seen, that

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incredible election campaign where she went from basically the

:40:49.:40:50.

Conservative Party's name was not even on the banner, and you saw her

:40:51.:40:55.

just fall, as it was too much pressure. As everyone says, she is a

:40:56.:41:02.

very robotic and strange woman who cried at losing an election

:41:03.:41:05.

apparently but did not show any emotion in the coming weeks when

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terrible things happened. I think this is a lazy way of discussing the

:41:10.:41:14.

subject. The politicians we have are not a breed, not born separately,

:41:15.:41:19.

not a different species. They arise from the public. If you think

:41:20.:41:23.

politicians are so dreadful, be a politician yourself, stop whining

:41:24.:41:29.

about it. I have just been asked to talk about it. I have a lot of

:41:30.:41:35.

respect for a lot of politicians but it is the people who are rising to

:41:36.:41:39.

the top. I think there are a lot of great politicians and MPs and I do

:41:40.:41:43.

not say any politician is awful but there are a lot of politicians

:41:44.:41:47.

rising up from the same school, so it's all very well to say... It was

:41:48.:41:55.

my attempt at changing your June. I am not changing my tune. I am

:41:56.:41:59.

talking about Trump and May, and even called in to an extent. You are

:42:00.:42:04.

just going for the easy targets. I am going for the people in charge,

:42:05.:42:08.

which is what we are talking about. There are plenty of decent

:42:09.:42:12.

politicians but because it is so showbiz, the wrong people are pushed

:42:13.:42:18.

to the top. It is also 24-7, so you have more chance to see awkward

:42:19.:42:23.

moments. In days gone by, you would never have got to see them. There is

:42:24.:42:29.

such inconsistency in what you say. It is showbiz and people are pushed

:42:30.:42:32.

to the top. Mrs May has not been pushed to the top because she is

:42:33.:42:37.

showbiz. You have not bought the thing through, have you? We are

:42:38.:42:40.

talking about lots of different things. She has not done a good job.

:42:41.:42:45.

We are talking about awkwardness and she has been very awkward. She has

:42:46.:42:50.

been treated as a showbiz person. After the Grenfell Tower disaster,

:42:51.:42:54.

if she had just said, this is terrible and answered as a human

:42:55.:42:57.

being, she could have turned everything around within two or

:42:58.:43:02.

three days. Instead, she did what she did in the election, which was

:43:03.:43:06.

to give what she had trotted out, Brexit means Brexit, we are not

:43:07.:43:09.

answering the question, and people turned against her. That is where

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she was weakened. Who is more awkward, Gordon Brown or Theresa

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May? I think Theresa May is as awkward in private as she is in

:43:22.:43:25.

public, and Gordon was somebody who in private was much more at ease

:43:26.:43:29.

with himself and found it very hard to convey that on camera. One of the

:43:30.:43:35.

things which Richard isn't taking into account is that the reality is

:43:36.:43:38.

it is quite hard not to be awkward when you are asked to do important

:43:39.:43:42.

or difficult things, but being filmed with cameras and

:43:43.:43:46.

photographers around you. In the end, you have to be able to put that

:43:47.:43:50.

to one side and be yourself and be as authentic as you can. Gordon

:43:51.:43:56.

found it hard, Theresa May finds it impossible. Tony Blair was better at

:43:57.:43:59.

that but you probably dislike him for different reasons. What are you

:44:00.:44:05.

up to? Ayew I'm doing in Edinburgh show. I have a book of emergency

:44:06.:44:09.

questions that can help you out. But not for us - we're off to Number

:44:10.:44:15.

10 for Theresa May's annual Chocolate Oranges for every

:44:16.:44:22.

participant and a bottle of prosecco for the winning team -

:44:23.:44:26.

Philip May should be warming it up Anyway, here's a sneak peek

:44:27.:44:29.

of our musical teamwork When I think of the world

:44:30.:45:30.

we inhabit, everyone will think,

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Andrew Neil reviews the political week with Michael Portillo, Ed Balls and biographer Rosa Price. Beth Rigby rounds up the week's highlights, Nigel Farage gives his take on how well the Brexit talks are - or are not - progressing, while comedian and author Richard Herring looks at being awkward.