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Tonight... Get me out of here. The

Budget was one of the biggest

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challenges Philip Hammond ever

faced.

I'm pushing myself to the

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limit for this week.

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faced.

I'm pushing myself to the

limit for this week. I had no idea

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I'd sign myself to the jungle.

Please help me.

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Like me, Angela Merkel is walking a

difficult tightrope. I'm hoping

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she'll win the Bush took the

challenge. This week is worse than

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it dark chamber.

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Evenin' all.

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Welcome to This Week.

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And who knew that our beloved

Chancellor, old Spreadsheet Phil,

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was really Happy Hammond,

the stand up comedian?

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And I'm not referring to his remarks

about Jeremy Clarkson

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or Lewis Hamilton

in Wednesday's Budget.

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That was serious stuff.

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Who knew that taxing Lewis'

private jet could pay

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for 25 billion more in spending?

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No, I'm talking about his throwaway

remarks on how economic

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growth was collapsing,

and how Britain would be

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stuck in the slow lane

for the foreseeable future.

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How we laughed at that.

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We split our sides at his revelation

that wage stagnation,

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already with us for a decade,

is likely to stay with us

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for a second decade.

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How could you not chuckle at that?

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And we were rolling the aisles when,

with cunning sleight of hand,

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he revealed that balancing

the budget, which the Tories once

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said would be done by 2015,

then 2020, then 2025,

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was now consigned to never-never

land, also known as the 2030s.

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Genius.

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It was, understandably,

too much for dear old Jezza,

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whose job it was to respond

to the Budget.

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The only way the Labour leader

could stop himself from breaking out

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in tears of laughter,

was to spend 20 minutes

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reading out a tombstone

of a speech he'd written in 2013.

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It was a veritable tour

d'horizon of Britain's woes,

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covering everything, except anything

actually in the Budget.

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No wonder Chuckles Hammond thought

he'd had the last laugh.

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Speaking of those who you'd never

mistake for a ray of sunshine,

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but who are quick on their feet,

if only these days they could

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struggle to get on them,

I'm joined on the Zimmer frames

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by Michael #choochoo Portillo

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and Alan #sadmanontheleft Johnson.

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Michael, your moment of the week?

Bangladesh is very keen to get rid

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of the Rohingya Muslim refugees who

have spread across the border and

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wants them to go back into my own

mark. Today apparently an agreement

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has been signed between the

countries. It is hard to imagine why

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any of the Rohingya Muslims would go

back considering they have clearly

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been rates and murdered and

tortured, and their bit -- villagers

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burned to the ground. The highest

civilian in the government, Aung San

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Suu Kyi, who used to be a universal

saint, has had her reputation

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absolutely trashed. Bob Geldof has

described her as being complicit in

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extermination, in ethnic cleansing.

It is a horrific situation. It

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demonstrates how ineffective the

world is at controlling crimes

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against humanity.

Indeed. Alan?

Until now there has

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been a lot of talk about Brexit but

nothing tangible has happened. Until

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Monday, when it was decided the

European medicines agency and the

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banking authority would move from

London to Amsterdam and Paris

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respectively. That is a thousand

jobs, high-value jobs, directly. And

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thousands more indirectly. Britain,

because we are no longer in the EU

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economic post these organisations,

we're having to pay the bill as

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well, which is hundreds of millions

of pounds to relocate them. 23

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cities in 19 countries wanted these

centres because they give prestige,

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they get jobs. They boost the

economy. And we're waving farewell

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to them. And then we still have to

discover whether we have to pay

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millions more to replicate

everything that VMA do.

We get a

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blue passport. Silver lining.

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For much of this year it looked

as if Western Europe

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was going to escape the populist

insurgency that gave Britain Brexit

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and America Donald Trump.

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Anti-immigrant leader Geert Wilders

failed to breakthrough in Holland,

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and Marine Le Pen was thumped

by centrist Emmanuel Macron

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in France's presidential elections.

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So nobody expected any kind

of upset in that most

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stable of democracies,

Germany, or problems

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for its long-standing

leader Angela Merkel.

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But the rise of a right-wing

nativist party, the AfD,

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and the poor performance

of Mrs Merkel's CDU,

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which managed only 27% of the vote,

has conspired to thwart her efforts

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to form a new coalition government.

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Two months after Germans went

to the polls, they still don't

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have a new government,

and it's not clear when they will.

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There's even talk of fresh

elections in the new year.

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Germany's President says

the situation is unprecedented

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for the Federal Republic,

and when there's a political crisis

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in Berlin it means there's

a leadership vacuum in the EU.

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But not everybody thinks Germany -

or the EU - faces political turmoil.

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Here's Andrew Adonis

with his take of the week.

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Margaret Thatcher used to say, those

Europeans are always getting into a

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mess and we have to save them. There

is nothing the Brexiteers have

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enjoyed more than the schadenfreude

of the past week, that Germany is

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falling to pieces, we're going to

save them and this is a chance to

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screw them for a good Brexit deal.

Germany has had a terrible past in

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many respects. But since 1949 it has

been one of the best governed

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countries in the world and we are

all the better off for it. In fact,

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as we shoot ourselves in the foot

with Brexit, I wish we had Germany's

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problem.

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We all know that Germany has gone

through dark times in the past.

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Hyperinflation, Nazism, communism in

the east. But even allowing for a

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national psyche that dislikes

uncertainty, the collapse of these

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coalition talks is nothing more than

a political hiccup. Germany's

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instability is far more apparent

than real. Since 1949, Germany has

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had only eight chancellors. In that

period we have had 15 prime

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ministers. I would trade our

instability for their stability any

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time. While German prosperity rises,

ours declines. Only yesterday, the

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cat -- chance of a slashed our

growth rate to 1.5%. Germany's has

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been increased by the same amount.

Their productivity is something the

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British only dream of, and the

disparities of wealth are far less

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in Germany than here in Britain.

Of course, admitting large numbers

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of Syrian refugees made Mrs Merkel

very unpopular. Unsurprisingly so,

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it would be even worse here in a

NAND. But a country which managed to

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absorb an entire other country, East

Germany, as successfully as the

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Germans have done, will not have a

problem with the Syrians. They will

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look back on this as a source of

huge dynamism and opportunity for

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them as a country.

In the words of build, the Brits,

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they sure know what a crisis is. We

have just got a problem of a small

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party walking out of coalition

talks.

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But Britain's all future as a

country is now at stake. -- whole

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future.

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Danke to our friends

at Zeitgeist pub in Lambeth.

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And welcome to Lord Adonis.

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So Michael, in Berlin, nothing to

see here, little local difficulty?

I

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agree with what Andrew said the

German economy, which has done very

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well since 1949 and they have had a

lot of political stability. I did

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think it was extraordinary that Mrs

Merkel, who lost 8.6 percentage

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point at the election, did not see

the writing on the wall. It is

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typical European arrogance to

believe that you can be effectively

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defeated by the public and yet go on

being Chancellor. It was a massive

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vote of no-confidence. It was an

entirely self-inflicted wound to

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invite a million Syrians into the

country. It has created the rise of

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this very dangerous AF Tea Party. It

is extraordinary that we now have an

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ultra right-wing party in Germany

today. It is Mrs Merkel's. And the

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German people have punished. And the

idea, by the way, that a whole that

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the Germans from the east and west

who have been separated by the iron

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curtain, the idea that bringing the

Germans back together, all German

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people, is the same as absorbing a

million Syrians, I think shows a

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massive insensitivity and

incomprehension of what the German

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people are alike.

It was a bigger

challenge absorbing east Germany.

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These countries had grown apart for

the best part of two generations. It

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was a huge challenge. It was very

untypical of Michael, who has a good

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sense of history. The really tough

challenge, huge challenge, economic

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challenge, social challenge...

You

don't think that the situation in

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Berlin denied is a problem?

There is

clearly a problem forming a

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coalition. They will have to form a

minority government.

Mrs Merkel has

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ruled out a minority government?

It

is not for her to entirely decide.

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She hasn't said that. What she said

is she would prefer not to lead a

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minority government but it is not

for her to decide. Germany is a

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constitutionally governed country

and the president will decide if

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elections are to be held. She would

prefer elections. But this is not

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entirely her call. There are

constitutional procedures. The

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crucial thing to understand is the

reason why she is finding it so

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difficult to form a coalition is

first-rate forwardly political

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reasons. She has had three coalition

partners in the past. The FTP, the

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SDP twice. She has destroyed all

three.

She has destroyed them.

Yes.

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There are wary of going on again.

The idea of being eaten alive by Mrs

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Merkel for a second time...

A series

do think the situation is?

I think

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it is serious because one of the

reasons that the STB don't want to

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go into government is because it

would leave alternative for Germany,

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the right-wing grouping, as the

official opposition. That is one of

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the reasons Martin Schultz has

given. There are whole dilemma is

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that the Bundestag is far left are

far right. I think Michael is being

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very unfair that Angela Merkel had

brought this about. She has been a

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strong and stable leader for Europe

and the country. She was taking in

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refugees from Syria at a time when

all countries, including our own,

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which made a pretty small

contribution, were worried about

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that. These were people fleeing war.

It was an extraordinarily generous

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-- generous gesture further to make.

My puzzlement is, do the Germans

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want to return to another election?

My feeling was they didn't. But

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there is a Polter night saying the

majority want another election.

They

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have never had a majority government

in Germany before. We're getting

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used to minority government. Germany

has done much better to have a

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majority coalition governments which

have proved remarkably stable. It is

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not exactly a great crisis if you

have two elections in one year. It

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has even been known in this historic

British democracy a virus to have

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elections in successive years.

We

don't know how Mrs Merkel would get

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the show back on the road. But if

she can and stays as Chancellor,

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isn't she a much diminished figure?

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She will find it more difficult to

strike deals to get legislation

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through, but in my experience the

only thing that really matters in

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terms of the fate of governments is

the quality and calibre of the

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leader. A strong and effective

leader can do just as well with a

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small majority, or even with no

majority, as with a large majority.

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Even when her own party only got 27%

of the vote?

She is still the

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largest party. For as long as she

has that authority, ability to

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continue as Chancellor...

Gordon

Brown got that? Is she diminished or

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not?

Hugely diminished. With the

events of the last few days it will

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be difficult for her to clamber back

into a position of authority.

What

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does it mean for Brexit rest room if

Germany is going to go through a

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period of political turmoil, where

it will take awhile to put together

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a coalition, or it may mean there

will have be elections. The

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elections may not be until April.

What does it mean?

It is bad news.

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We spent three months on a general

election and we knew that until the

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German elections nothing would

really move. Now we have had German

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elections but there are such

uncertainty that once again, I think

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it will lead to a certain amount of

paralysis. I think the villains of

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the piece are the Free Democrats,

walked away from coalition talks,

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the centrist party, with a young

leader who seems inexperienced at

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this.

Actually, I think he may be

experienced and shrewd. I remember

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being told, I don't know whether it

is true but it is a fantastic story,

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that shortly before the 2010

election, when David Cameron met Mrs

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Merkel and said, what do I do if I

don't get a majority, she said to

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him, it is very simple. You get hold

of one of the small parties, form a

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coalition and then you screw them.

That is precisely what she has done

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with three coalition partners in a

row. They have got wise to the fact.

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Not a great strategy because she is

running out of partners. Tonight

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there is talk of having to go back

to the social Democrats and putting

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a grand coalition on the road, which

could be in the longer term

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disastrous for the social Democrats.

There is even talk that if the head

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of the Social Democrats steps down

and Mrs Merkel steps down and two

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new people come... The idea that

this is politics as normal in

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Germany, I just don't understand. My

question is, what does it mean for

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Brexit? Let's assume, I know you

think it can be put on the road, but

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if there is a period of uncertainty,

changing German politics, what does

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it mean for Brexit?

Well, countries

are governed by interests. Except in

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occasional bouts of madness, they

are not governed by sentiment. The

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interests of Germany are in having a

good, constructive relationship with

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Britain and this nonsense about them

wanting to do us down is not where

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things are at. The problem is that

we have a government here that does

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not know what it wants to negotiate.

The biggest problem in negotiations

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is somebody on the other side who

does not know what they want.

I

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don't entirely agree. The overall

German interest is to have a

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harmonious settlement with Britain,

but Germany is also persuadable that

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it might be in the European interest

to make sure that Britain is

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punished, to discourage others from

going over the prison wall. Mrs

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Merkel, if she was still there...

The prison wall? That is what East

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Germany was.

Carreon, Michael.

Let

me carry on. Mrs Merkel, as an

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authority figure, was strong enough

to say we can be confident about

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being good Europeans without being

persuaded by the French, for

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example, that we need to punish

Britain, a harmonious relationship

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is necessary. A less experienced

leader might find it difficult to

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resist the French impulse.

Here may

be a bigger issue, which is that

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President Macron has put big store

by reforming the eurozone, a number

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of changes to be made, and he needs

the Germans onside. There is also

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talk that once we are out of the

way, the Europeans can get on with a

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proper reform of Europe and make

Europe fit for the next decade. Mrs

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Merkel can't deliver any of that.

Further reforms of the eurozone were

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always going to happen.

There is no

sign of any of that now.

It is

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inevitable.

Mr Macron wants it

within the next five years. None of

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his agenda could now get through the

Bundestag.

We don't know. When there

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is a German government we will know

if negotiations it proceed. I think

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it is just a matter of time before

it happens. This has always been

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clear. You will need economic

institutions to reflect the fact

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that you are pulling more

sovereignty than we ever did when we

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were in the outer tear.

Good luck

with that, when you have the Free

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Democrats not agreeing to be in

coalition, the CSU running scared

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and the AfD who now have 94

deputies, MPs in the Bundestag.

And

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more centralisation in Europe will

help the growth of right-wing

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parties. It is one of the things

getting people cheesed off. Mr

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Macron does not want to acknowledge

this but many Germans do.

If you had

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to guess, Andrew, it is March of

next year. What will the political

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situation be in Berlin?

It is a very

fluid situation, so I am not fully

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sure enough to start predicting who

is going to be in coalition with

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whom by then. What I would say with

a degree of confidence is that

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German policy will not change, that

there will not be some cataclysm on

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the other side of the channel which

means there is nobody there for us

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to negotiate with, and the biggest

enemy of a successful Brexit at the

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moment is the Brexiteers who don't

know what their policy is, and a

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good half of them want to get out of

anything with the word Europe in the

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title. As I listened to Alan Johnson

at the beginning, and we never

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disagree on anything, he is

completely right on the European

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medical agency and the European

banking agency. When I was a

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minister, when Longridge was

threatened with closure, you had the

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Prime Minister was there within 15

minutes, this was regarded as

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national catastrophe and a crisis.

We have a government at the moment

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that is not only sitting on the

sidelines while thousands of the

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highest-paid and most productive

jobs in the country are being lost,

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but is actually forcing these jobs

abroad.

Let Michael come in.

We are

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huge contributors to the European

Community. Every capital and city in

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Europe goes around with its snout in

the trough wanting to get hold of

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these agencies. It is the most

undignified scramble for patronage

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from the European Union, and who

pays for this? The British taxpayer,

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because we contribute vast lean more

than most other countries.

Because

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we are richer.

For the purpose of

this segment, it was to be about

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Berlin and Mrs Merkel and the

consequences of that for Britain and

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the European Union. We have done a

bit of that but it always gets

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dragged back to Brexit so we will

leave it there.

You did ask us what

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it meant for Brexit.

I did not want

to get down to the details of one

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medical agency which has nothing to

do with Mrs Merkel. Thank you.

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Andrew Adonis, thanks for stepping

in tonight.

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It's late.

EuroTunnel late.

0:21:550:21:56

Yes, after 30 years

of faithful service,

0:21:560:21:58

our fast route to the continent,

for reasons nobody can fathom, is

0:21:580:22:01

changing its name to is Getlink.

0:22:010:22:03

I mean, really, what's

wrong with Eurotunnel?

0:22:030:22:06

And if you must change the name,

why not make it Brexit Rail?

0:22:060:22:09

Or Remainers' Escape?

0:22:090:22:12

Or The Farage Pullman?

0:22:120:22:14

Or the Flying Adonis?

0:22:140:22:16

But Getlink?

0:22:160:22:18

Get lost!

0:22:180:22:19

Someone who needs no

re-branding is the comedian

0:22:190:22:21

and author Margaret Cho,

who's shining the Spotlight

0:22:210:22:24

on the allure and danger

of power tonight.

0:22:240:22:27

And if you'd like to get in touch,

0:22:270:22:29

well, all I can say is I'm

disappointed in you.

0:22:290:22:31

I mean, I've warned you about this

sort of thing, time and time again.

0:22:310:22:35

And it's only a matter of time

before I get another

0:22:350:22:37

exclusion order out.

0:22:370:22:38

But if you're feeling lucky -

or should that be desperate -

0:22:380:22:41

then do your worst!

0:22:410:22:43

It's only what the Tweeter,

the Fleecebook, and

0:22:430:22:45

SnapNumpty deserve.

0:22:450:22:49

It's dreadful, but somehow you can't

take your eyes off the TV screen.

0:22:490:22:52

Those gruesome trials,

as a minor celebrity,

0:22:520:22:54

vaguely recognisable -

hot, scared and sweaty -

0:22:540:22:57

risks nausea and public ridicule

in front of millions.

0:22:570:22:59

What will he have to chew on?

0:22:590:23:02

What foul-smelling mess

will be thrown at him?

0:23:020:23:04

Will he do enough to survive?

0:23:040:23:09

Or will he be summarily ejected

into total ignominy?

0:23:090:23:11

Yes, it's not pretty,

but it is part of the BBC's public

0:23:110:23:14

service remit to carry the Budget

live so we have to do it.

0:23:140:23:17

Here's Emma Barnett with her

round-up of this week's

0:23:170:23:21

political monkey business.

0:23:210:23:24

This Week have really

dropped me in it this time.

0:23:430:23:46

When they told me they were

sending me to the jungle,

0:23:460:23:48

I assumed they meant Westminster.

0:23:480:23:50

Nope, they sent me

to the real thing.

0:23:500:23:52

They've put me in the actual

jungle with actual bugs.

0:23:520:23:56

But no celebrities.

0:23:560:24:01

Have they actually

got the right place?

0:24:010:24:04

I don't think they do.

0:24:040:24:06

Hey, come back.

0:24:060:24:13

I'd better make camp.

0:24:130:24:15

The political week began

with the Cabinet agreeing to boost

0:24:220:24:25

the amount we are going to pay

in the Brexit divorce bill in a hope

0:24:250:24:28

to break the deadlock

over the trade talks.

0:24:280:24:32

Well, 40 billion is what's rumoured,

but that's still way below

0:24:320:24:35

what the EU actually want,

because guess what,

0:24:350:24:37

they are in "you've made your bed,

now you need to lie in it" mode.

0:24:370:24:44

The EU does not want to punish,

once again, it simply drew

0:24:440:24:50

the logical consequence of the UK

decisions to take back control.

0:24:500:24:57

On financial services,

UK voices suggest that Brexit

0:24:570:25:02

does not mean Brexit.

0:25:020:25:06

Brexit means Brexit.

0:25:060:25:09

Everywhere.

0:25:090:25:13

Still, at least £40 billion

makes the DUP deal look

0:25:130:25:16

like an absolute bargain.

0:25:160:25:17

The other issue the EU wants

to sort before trade talks

0:25:170:25:19

is the Irish border.

0:25:190:25:22

The DUP said that warnings

from Brussels and from Dublin that

0:25:220:25:25

a hard border would cause sectarian

violence was playing politics

0:25:250:25:30

with the peace process.

0:25:300:25:33

Playing politics?

0:25:330:25:35

Can you imagine?

0:25:350:25:36

To suggest somehow that our leaving

the European Union would put that

0:25:360:25:39

in danger is a careless

thing to say.

0:25:390:25:41

You shouldn't play about

with Northern Ireland,

0:25:410:25:43

particularly at a time

when we are trying to bring

0:25:430:25:45

about devolved government again.

0:25:450:25:50

The Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn

provided the warm up

0:25:500:25:53

act in Parliament at

Prime Minister's Questions,

0:25:530:25:54

with the Labour leader,

for a change, asking

0:25:540:25:56

questions about Brexit.

0:25:560:25:58

But a pugnacious Prime Minister hit

back, accusing the Labour leader

0:25:580:26:00

of talking down the country.

0:26:000:26:05

17 months after the referendum,

they say there can be no hard border

0:26:050:26:09

but haven't worked out how.

0:26:090:26:14

They say they'll protect workers'

rights, then vote against it.

0:26:140:26:19

Isn't the truth this

government has no energy,

0:26:190:26:21

no agreed plan and no strategy

to deliver a good

0:26:210:26:23

Brexit for Britain?

0:26:230:26:29

Let me tell him, I'm

optimistic about our future.

0:26:290:26:31

I'm optimistic about the success

we can make of Brexit.

0:26:310:26:35

I'm optimistic about the well-paid

jobs that will be created.

0:26:350:26:39

I'm optimistic about

the homes we will build.

0:26:390:26:41

That's Conservatives, building

a Britain fit for the future.

0:26:410:26:49

Spreadsheet Phil got

to his feet and tried

0:26:490:26:51

to strike an optimistic tone,

but without many stars in his back

0:26:510:26:54

pocket he didn't have much joy

to spread around the camp.

0:26:540:27:00

The growth forecasts were down,

hit by lower-than-expected

0:27:000:27:02

levels of productivity.

0:27:020:27:08

He did find some money for housing

but less than the £50 billion

0:27:080:27:11

that the Communities Secretary,

Sajid Javid, wanted.

0:27:110:27:13

He also talked about measures

to help with the roll-out

0:27:130:27:15

of universal credit,

and found a bit of cash for the NHS.

0:27:150:27:20

Over the next five years

we will commit a total of at least

0:27:200:27:24

£44 billion of capital funding,

loans and guarantees

0:27:240:27:25

to support our housing market,

to boost the supply of skills,

0:27:250:27:29

resources and building land,

and to create the financial

0:27:290:27:33

incentives necessary to deliver

300,000 net additional homes per

0:27:330:27:36

year on average by the mid-2020s.

0:27:360:27:42

But we also recognise that the NHS

is under pressure right now.

0:27:420:27:45

I am, therefore, exceptionally,

outside the spending review process,

0:27:450:27:49

making an additional commitment

of resource funding of £2.8

0:27:490:27:52

billion to the NHS.

0:27:520:28:02

The Chancellor's rabbit

was an appeal to the youth vote

0:28:020:28:05

by scrapping stamp duty

for first-time buyers on properties

0:28:050:28:07

worth up to £300,000.

0:28:070:28:11

But then some people said that

will actually increase house prices.

0:28:110:28:13

Sorry, Thumper.

0:28:130:28:17

With effect from today,

for all first-time buyer

0:28:170:28:20

purchases up to £300,000,

I am abolishing stamp

0:28:200:28:24

duty altogether.

0:28:240:28:27

When we say we will revive

the homeowning dream

0:28:270:28:30

in Britain, we mean it.

0:28:300:28:32

We do not underestimate

the scale of the challenge,

0:28:320:28:34

but today we have made

a substantial down payment.

0:28:340:28:41

Labour said the measures

wouldn't make a difference.

0:28:410:28:44

The reality test of this Budget has

to be how it affects

0:28:440:28:48

ordinary people's lives.

0:28:480:28:51

I believe as the days go ahead

and this Budget unravels,

0:28:510:28:54

the reality will be a lot of people

will be no better off and the misery

0:28:540:28:58

that many are in will be continuing.

0:28:580:29:03

They call this a Budget

fit for the future.

0:29:030:29:06

The reality is, this is a government

no longer fit for office.

0:29:060:29:13

Others said the Chancellor hadn't

addressed the real risks

0:29:130:29:15

posed to the economy.

0:29:150:29:19

This was an opportunity

for the Chancellor to restore some

0:29:190:29:23

confidence in the economy

and he failed, dismally.

0:29:230:29:25

Living standards are going to be

severely curtailed.

0:29:250:29:29

We've got a very severe squeeze

continuing in public services.

0:29:290:29:31

That's the ugly

reality of the Budget.

0:29:310:29:35

Never mind Phil's problems.

0:29:350:29:36

His Budget hasn't unravelled yet,

which by recent standards

0:29:360:29:40

is a total triumph.

0:29:400:29:42

What about me, stranded

in the BBC jungle?

0:29:420:29:45

Apparently the place

is a graveyard of lefties.

0:29:450:29:51

I think I recognise him.

0:29:510:29:52

Didn't he used to run

the new ideas unit?

0:29:520:29:54

The truth is, we fished out the best

talent in the BBC and they are now

0:29:540:29:59

Conservative members of Parliament.

0:29:590:30:01

It was so great to see

so many of you here today.

0:30:010:30:04

Maybe there are only

lefties left in the BBC.

0:30:040:30:10

I'm not waiting around here,

eating grubs, hoping that CCHQ

0:30:100:30:14

is going to come and rescue me.

0:30:140:30:16

I'm on This Week,

get me out of here!

0:30:160:30:21

Maybe it won't taste so bad

with a little bit of salt.

0:30:240:30:30

Thanks to St John's Wood Adventure

Playground in North London.

0:30:300:30:33

No creepy crawlies were

harmed in that film.

0:30:330:30:36

But we haven't seen Emma since.

0:30:360:30:38

And hot off the press from Novara

media is political commentator

0:30:380:30:41

and millennial brain, Ash Sarkar.

0:30:410:30:48

Welcome. Michael, the Tories said a

pretty low bar for a Philip Hammond

0:30:480:30:55

for this Budget. Just don't screw it

up. Job done?

Yes. So far.

You don't

0:30:550:31:03

know what could be in the details?

To get this far is quite a triumph.

0:31:030:31:10

I think a little bit better than

that. I think the stamp duty

0:31:100:31:13

announcement was welcomed. I think a

certain number of young people,

0:31:130:31:17

middle-class young people inking

about the possibility of buying a

0:31:170:31:22

home, would have been cheered by

that. The money for the NHS would

0:31:220:31:26

have been pretty well received.

Not

so much by the NHS.

What?

Not so

0:31:260:31:35

much by the NHS, we never thought --

didn't think it was nearly enough.

0:31:350:31:40

Yellow They always do.

It was a

generous gesture, certainly compared

0:31:400:31:45

with the many other demands. I think

the Chancellor would have got a fair

0:31:450:31:49

amount of sympathy because his

problems were pretty much external.

0:31:490:31:52

It was the downgrading of the

forecast by the OBR, the Office for

0:31:520:31:58

Budget Responsibility, that gave him

his biggest problem. Since we were

0:31:580:32:02

in a position where the British

economy had performed better than

0:32:020:32:05

many people thought it was going to,

it was rather odd that the OBR

0:32:050:32:10

suddenly produced these pessimistic

estimates for the future, which the

0:32:100:32:13

Chancellor is bound to include in

his Budget.

Alan, he loosened his

0:32:130:32:19

belt. He is spending a bit more here

and there. Deficit reduction has

0:32:190:32:23

been slowed down. Is this a change

of tack?

I don't think so. He has

0:32:230:32:30

got more tax returns than expected.

He is spending more on this Budget.

0:32:300:32:39

It is very marginal. Let's face it,

he was expecting Theresa May to give

0:32:390:32:45

him the sack, and she ended up

giving him throat lozenges.

That was

0:32:450:32:54

entirely on staged. It absolutely

just happened.

We are now seven

0:32:540:32:59

years into a Conservative

government. Two years ago George

0:32:590:33:03

Osborne was saying we would

eradicate borrowing by 1990 -- by

0:33:030:33:09

2020. We would be in surplus by

2021. We have heard all of this guff

0:33:090:33:14

about how this is a Budget for

tomorrow. It has been an absolute

0:33:140:33:18

disaster. The trade gap is wider

than ever. Productivity is abysmal.

0:33:180:33:22

It is not as if this is happening in

every country. It is not happening

0:33:220:33:27

every country in Europe. We are

doing worse than any country in

0:33:270:33:31

Europe except Greece. Look what is

happening in Portugal. They are

0:33:310:33:34

managing to come back from the

crisis of 2008.

They are actually

0:33:340:33:41

coming back from 2012. They are

later in the cycle. Does spending a

0:33:410:33:46

bit more here and there, does that

Spike Labour Party guns are simply

0:33:460:33:52

make the case for even more

borrowing?

I don't think it is

0:33:520:33:58

parking tanks on Labour's long at

all. We have seen more of the same

0:33:580:34:03

from Philip Hammond. Cosmetic

measures to prop up a broken

0:34:030:34:08

orthodoxy. I don't know what planet

you are on when you think that was a

0:34:080:34:11

positive showing from the

Chancellor. There have been

0:34:110:34:15

estimates that wages are going to

stay stagnant, or indeed fall for

0:34:150:34:20

the next decade. That disposable

household income is going to keep

0:34:200:34:24

falling until 2020. Real people are

sovereign. And you can throw us a

0:34:240:34:28

Railcard here or Stamp Duty decrease

there, it is not actually addressing

0:34:280:34:37

the fundamental structural problems

embedded in our economy.

We have had

0:34:370:34:42

wage stagnation for ten years. The

latest forecasts suggested could be

0:34:420:34:46

for another years. They take this

into the 20 20s. The Budget did

0:34:460:34:52

nothing to address that.

Well, it

could be that is going to happen, it

0:34:520:34:59

could be something completely

different. Forecasts are generally

0:34:590:35:01

wrong. I don't know talking about

which planet we're wrong, I don't

0:35:010:35:07

know what government measures will

transform people's wages or the

0:35:070:35:12

productivity of the economy.

Growth.

Growth is a product of productivity

0:35:120:35:18

as much of the other way round.

There are businesses and people out

0:35:180:35:22

there who have to do their bit. The

government has created conditions in

0:35:220:35:25

which we have massive employment. We

have nearly every shoulder to the

0:35:250:35:29

wheel. Our growth is at a

disappointing rate. Actually, we

0:35:290:35:34

have done rather better than most

European countries in recent years.

0:35:340:35:41

Those who got screwed by the euro

are Spain, Italy and Greece.

For the

0:35:410:35:49

foreseeable future the OBR is saying

that we won't ever reach 2% again

0:35:490:35:55

for the foreseeable future. Of

course, they are forecasts. If the

0:35:550:36:00

OBR is wrong on this, does it

survive its reputation?

Well, I

0:36:000:36:06

think they have finally been

realistic. They were forecasting

0:36:060:36:13

increases in productivity. Now they

have said it's a much more rigorous

0:36:130:36:18

look at what is likely to happen. If

we don't see that, fine. There is

0:36:180:36:23

nothing in the Budget. Let alone

that, nothing about adult social

0:36:230:36:30

care, the biggest crisis we face.

And the poorest in our society,

0:36:300:36:35

under every government since the war

until the coalition two years in,

0:36:350:36:39

made sure that benefits, people on

the lowest income, have their pay

0:36:390:36:43

increased. They will be frozen for

another two years with inflation at

0:36:430:36:47

3%. Wherever you look, this is not a

government that is doing well on the

0:36:470:36:52

economy. Michael does his best, as

he does every year. Every Budget.

0:36:520:36:58

But every Budget it is fantasyland.

What is more likely to happen is the

0:36:580:37:03

growth figures are correct rather

than incorrect. Because there is

0:37:030:37:06

nothing happening to stimulate it.

Should we be borrowing more?

I think

0:37:060:37:14

that we need to really reimagine

what the role of the state is. You

0:37:140:37:20

you said that businesses need to

create employment, we need to pull

0:37:200:37:23

more people into the economy. That

is only useful if the jobs being

0:37:230:37:27

offered are quality jobs, not

precarious, not part-time, not low

0:37:270:37:31

paid. The role the government can

take is to bring in legislative

0:37:310:37:35

measures to encourage more secure

forms of contract, paid work like a

0:37:350:37:40

temp and minimum wage, not the

National Living Wage put in by the

0:37:400:37:43

Conservatives, which is being

revised lower and lower with

0:37:430:37:47

seemingly every passing day. And I

think that what a government can do

0:37:470:37:51

is really, like I said, chop off a

broken economic orthodoxy.

I don't

0:37:510:37:57

know what that means.

Neoliberalism

isn't working. Austerity isn't

0:37:570:38:02

working.

Why is the German economy

growing?

It is a neoliberal economy.

0:38:020:38:12

But they haven't done to the same

extent as we have seen in this

0:38:120:38:16

country is privatise games and

socialise losses. What we have seen

0:38:160:38:21

is a tremendous shifting the burden

of private debt onto the nation's

0:38:210:38:26

taxpayer. That is what we have seen

in this country. Philip Hammond

0:38:260:38:32

yesterday, on something that hasn't

been reported much, was floating

0:38:320:38:35

plans to sell off government shares

in RBS. That would be a 26 billion

0:38:350:38:39

loss. That is tremendous. That is

not austerity for everyone. That is

0:38:390:38:47

austerity for poor and socialism for

the rich.

The word austerity is

0:38:470:38:51

always bandied around in these

discussions. When the coalition came

0:38:510:38:54

to office, the country was spending

ten percentage points more each year

0:38:540:38:59

than it was actually earning. And

now it is spending 2.4 percentage

0:38:590:39:04

points more each year than it is

earning. In other words, every year

0:39:040:39:08

we have lived beyond our means. And

every year we have been increasing

0:39:080:39:12

the national debt. And every year

we're past the cost of set --

0:39:120:39:17

serving the national debt to our

children and grandchildren. There

0:39:170:39:21

has not been austerity because we

have never lived within our means.

0:39:210:39:24

And it is frankly immoral that we

have always lived beyond our means

0:39:240:39:28

today to add more of the services

that people demand, more of the

0:39:280:39:32

welfare state, water the NHS, so

that future generations will have to

0:39:320:39:35

spend more on servicing debt and

will have less to spend on those

0:39:350:39:38

services themselves.

I think we have

seen the creation of a public health

0:39:380:39:45

crisis and the chronic underfunding

of these services. A study found

0:39:450:39:49

that since 2012 there have been

120,000 extra unnecessary deaths.

0:39:490:39:59

How much would you like to be?

We

need to revisit some ideas about

0:39:590:40:05

what borrowing can do in terms of

stimulating growth.

How large would

0:40:050:40:10

you like the national debt to be? If

you think 86% is not high enough,

0:40:100:40:14

what would you like it to be?

The

current model of using taxpayers'

0:40:140:40:21

money to subsidise shareholders and

corporations is unsustainable.

Just

0:40:210:40:24

tell me how big you want the

national debt to be.

We brought it

0:40:240:40:31

down to 36% from 42%. When the

coalition came in, there was a

0:40:310:40:36

growth rate of 3.1%. George Osborne

didn't inherit a recession and

0:40:360:40:41

deliver growth, it was the other way

round. It was a double dip

0:40:410:40:45

recession. Then he changed to

Alistair Darling's plan. He took £18

0:40:450:40:51

billion of capital investment that

was put aside for capital

0:40:510:40:55

investment, no better time to do

with them when interest rates were

0:40:550:40:58

zero, and ever since then there has

been no real investment in our

0:40:580:41:03

infrastructure, which is what

Germany does very well. What

0:41:030:41:05

countries all over Europe have done

very well.

People can look out of

0:41:050:41:11

their windows MCE investment. We

have got the largest infrastructure

0:41:110:41:16

projects in Europe.

One of the big

issues in the German election last

0:41:160:41:23

year, highlighted by your colleagues

in the social Democrats, was how

0:41:230:41:27

Germany has not invested recently in

its infrastructure.

But they are

0:41:270:41:32

putting capital investment.

No, the

problem is they haven't done,

0:41:320:41:37

particularly in the digital Economy

Bill, but of course the

0:41:370:41:43

infrastructure they had in the 70s,

80s and 90s was pretty good. A final

0:41:430:41:47

thought from you?

I would like to

see an economy built towards the

0:41:470:41:53

maximisation of human flourishing

for everybody in this country. What

0:41:530:41:56

I don't want to see is a falling

standard of living for most of us.

0:41:560:42:00

While the rich get richer. What the

resolution foundation found was that

0:42:000:42:05

for the richest third in society,

they would be better off to the tune

0:42:050:42:08

of £185 per year. The poorest third

will be worse off by over £700 a

0:42:080:42:13

year. Not only does that seem

grotesquely unfair, it is not

0:42:130:42:18

sustainable. A big change has to

come across. It can either be one of

0:42:180:42:22

social justice, reducing

inequalities, or you can let the far

0:42:220:42:26

right make electoral gains.

OK. Thanks for joining us.

0:42:260:42:30

A wise person - so clearly none

who's ever been in this show -

0:42:300:42:33

once said, "It is not power

that corrupts but fear.

0:42:330:42:35

Fear of losing power corrupts

those who wield it."

0:42:350:42:37

Rather ironically, those words

are attributed to an erstwhile

0:42:370:42:40

stateswoman and international hero

whose star has rather

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waned in recent months.

Her name: Aung San Suu Kyi.

0:42:420:42:44

But what is the allure of power that

losing it causes such fear?

0:42:440:42:47

Robert Mugabe, given his tyranny,

had much to fear from losing power.

0:42:470:42:50

But he seems to have

got away with it.

0:42:500:42:55

And what does it feel like to be

on cusp of losing it,

0:42:550:42:58

like Gerry Adams and Angela Merkel?

0:42:580:43:02

This week we're putting

power in the Spotlight.

0:43:020:43:13

After 37 years, Robert Mugabe's iron

grip on power has evacuated.

0:43:220:43:27

I formally tender my resignation

as the President of the Republic

0:43:270:43:32

of Zimbabwe, with immediate effect.

0:43:320:43:34

But will his successor abuse

executive power in the same way?

0:43:340:43:40

Those superpowers

that the President has

0:43:400:43:43

in the constitution will be limited.

0:43:430:43:44

That is what we need going forward,

a leader, not a ruler.

0:43:440:43:49

Mugabe couldn't hang on,

but can Angela Merkel stay in power

0:43:490:43:51

after coalition talks

collapsed this week?

0:43:510:43:54

TRANSLATION:

No, resigning

was never an option.

0:43:540:43:58

I always said that I wanted to serve

Germany for a further four years.

0:43:580:44:03

What if you want to jump

before you are pushed?

0:44:030:44:05

After 34 years in charge,

Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams thinks

0:44:050:44:08

it's time to stand down.

0:44:080:44:11

Leadership means knowing

when it's time to change.

0:44:110:44:13

And that time is now.

0:44:130:44:19

And what if you're powerful

but you don't really

0:44:190:44:21

know what you're doing?

0:44:210:44:22

Stephen Kinnock shuts up

and listens to his wife.

0:44:370:44:39

And isn't it nice to sometimes

feel totally powerless?

0:44:390:44:41

Stanley Johnson's enjoying

being lost in the jungle.

0:44:410:44:44

I do not have to think

about Brexit at all.

0:44:440:44:46

We have to think about breakfast.

0:44:460:44:50

What you propose on breakfast.

0:44:500:44:51

Breakfast.

0:44:510:44:52

Breakfast.

0:44:520:44:53

Breakfast, or not breakfast?

0:44:530:44:57

Yeah, all right, Margaret,

let's hear what you've

0:44:570:44:59

got to say about power.

0:44:590:45:06

Welcome to Margaret Cho.

0:45:060:45:14

Does political power always corrupt?

I don't know. I think it depends on

0:45:140:45:23

what you are a politician for. If

you are a politician to be there for

0:45:230:45:29

the people, maybe that's a little

different to if you decide to try to

0:45:290:45:34

get Russia to vote you into power.

It's different.

Robert Mugabe said

0:45:340:45:39

he was there for the people when he

became leader of Zimbabwe, having

0:45:390:45:44

been a freedom fighter against

colonial rule and white minority

0:45:440:45:47

rule after the British period. He

was corrupt.

It's a pretty good

0:45:470:45:54

ruse. The way that Trump did it was

to seem like he was going Rogue,

0:45:540:46:02

like he was also there to shake

everything up.

Trained the swamp.

0:46:020:46:08

Yes, to drain the swamp. To train

the masses, somehow, or to turn it

0:46:080:46:18

into a reality competition show.

But

the magic of democracy, as compared

0:46:180:46:25

to tyranny is like Mr Mugabe's

Zimbabwe, is that even powerful

0:46:250:46:32

leaders are constrained. And we've

seen that in America, where Mr Trump

0:46:320:46:37

has come up against the US

Constitution.

Yes.

Most times, the

0:46:370:46:43

US Constitution has one.

Yes, and I

think that that is the one thing

0:46:430:46:47

that we have. Our defence is that we

have a good constitution. We have

0:46:470:46:56

Congress, a house of

Representatives, but there is a lot

0:46:560:46:59

of corruption there, too. I think

Donald Trump is concerned with his

0:46:590:47:05

image and how he looks on social

media more than anything else. I

0:47:050:47:10

think he is more constrained by his

own ego and misunderstanding of what

0:47:100:47:17

government is.

Does power always

corrupt?

In democracies, I don't

0:47:170:47:22

think people experience very much

power. People have to compromise all

0:47:220:47:27

the time with their own party, with

the electorate, with the media.

0:47:270:47:35

Examples of individual power are few

and far between. Tony Blair's

0:47:350:47:39

decision to go to war in Iraq is an

unusual example of the real personal

0:47:390:47:46

exercise of power.

But that was

agreed by Parliament.

That is

0:47:460:47:50

perfectly true. But it was his

decision. He argued it through, he

0:47:500:47:56

made it happen. That is what I mean.

Even something that the Budget this

0:47:560:48:02

week, it is so constrained, so

difficult for the Chancellor. That

0:48:020:48:05

has to get through Parliament too,

to stand the test of the press. In

0:48:050:48:12

democracies, I'm not sure power is

the right word at all.

Maybe an area

0:48:120:48:18

where there will be less power,

particularly power for men of being

0:48:180:48:21

able to do what they want, as a

result of all the Harvey Weinstein

0:48:210:48:25

fallout. That was power, these are

all power plays.

Yes.

Particularly

0:48:250:48:32

now that women are now more ready to

speak out, rather than try to make

0:48:320:48:38

it never happened, that is going to

curb some power, isn't it?

Yes, and

0:48:380:48:44

that's incredible to see. I was

around the film industry in the 90s,

0:48:440:48:49

I was with Tarantino between

Reservoir dogs and pulp fiction, and

0:48:490:48:52

you could not have had a larger

kingdom than Miramax. Miramax was

0:48:520:49:00

everything.

And that was Harvey

Weinstein?

That was Harvey and Bob

0:49:000:49:06

and that was their kingdom and

Quentin Tarantino was their crown

0:49:060:49:10

prince. They could do whatever they

wanted. They were absolutely above

0:49:100:49:14

the law. I have never seen such an

egregious display of power. It's

0:49:140:49:21

insane that all of that has been

toppled.

Maybe these days are over.

0:49:210:49:26

What brings you to these shores?

I

am doing a show here, to explain all

0:49:260:49:34

the stuff about sexual harrassment

and...

When can we see it?

I will be

0:49:340:49:42

in London at the O2. Shepherd's

Bush. I don't know.

You don't know

0:49:420:49:50

but you are touring round the

country.

0:49:500:49:53

So that's your lot for tonight.

0:49:530:49:55

Scripts by Joey Essex,

costumes by Clowns R Us,

0:49:550:49:57

studio by Her Majesty's Pleasure.

0:49:570:49:58

After news that Brexit Secretary

David Davis insisted on having

0:49:580:50:01

the RAF fly him around Europe,

we've decided we deserve the same.

0:50:010:50:04

So we have an armoured division

waiting outside to take us

0:50:040:50:06

to Lou Lou's nightclub.

0:50:060:50:08

Should make quite an

impact when we arrive.

0:50:080:50:10

Alas, Michael's determined

to go full commando,

0:50:100:50:14

which has got the rest

of us worried.

0:50:140:50:17

He's not been the same

ever since he coined

0:50:170:50:20

the phrase Who Dares Wins?

0:50:200:50:25

Nighty, night.

0:50:250:50:26

Don't let the gobbler bite.

0:50:260:50:31

# Could it be forever or am

I just wasting time?

0:50:310:50:35

# I don't think so,

because you let me know.

0:50:350:50:38

# You make me feel like you're mine.

0:50:380:50:40

# Well, I feel like you're mine.

0:50:400:50:42

# And I can't remember when

the feelings have been stronger.

0:50:420:50:45

# And all I know is I

can't let go of you.

0:50:450:50:49

Hi, Drumstick.

0:50:490:50:53

# Just a little while longer.

0:50:530:50:55

Wow!

0:50:550:50:56

Big bird.

0:50:560:50:58

Drumstick, you are hereby pardoned.

0:50:580:51:08

Drumstick and his friend will live

out their days at Gobbler's Rest.

0:51:090:51:11

Beautiful place.

0:51:110:51:17

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