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Political Big Brother is back. Yes,

it's Dave four in the Downing Street

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house, and confusion reigns. Has

anyone been evicted?

I can't believe

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Michael Gove wouldn't move, and what

about Justine having to go, it's

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ridiculous.

Did public opinion or

mob rule leads to Toby Young's

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decision to quit his new job.

Stanley Johnson is in our happy

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house.

Has anyone got wifi login?

In

the Diary Room, James Delingpole has

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been confessing Truelove, but for

whom?

President Trump is amazing. I

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want him to stay forever in the Big

Brother house.

Will anyone walk out

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when we pump up the volume?

Let's

hope Andrew walks out.

Yeah, he's

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really irritating.

Nominate and

evict on This Week.

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Evenin' all.

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Welcome to This Week.

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And the more astute among

you who were not in a permanent

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Blue Nun haze over the festive

season, will have noticed

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that a loser lickspittle

of the mainstream media has just

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published a farrago of lies

and inventions about me.

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Since I'm better with

pictures than words,

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I had to have the wife

read it to me.

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This seemed to give her

an inordinate pleasure,

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which somewhat baffled me,

as did the thick east

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European accent.

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After all, the book makes

me out to be thicker

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than Jack Thick McThick the year

he won the Thick Man

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of the Year Competition,

also claiming I'm a sandwich short

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of a picnic and two

stairs short of an attic.

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But how is this double-shuffling,

honeyfugling, hornswoggler

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of a journalist in a position

to say that?

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He's only known me since

we were in primary school together

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and he's only been beside me every

waking hour for the past year.

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Come to think of it,

he did spend some nights

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at the bottom of the bed too.

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Even so, he doesn't know me the way

the people know me and you know I'm

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so smart I'm bordering on genius.

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In fact, strike the word bordering.

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Or I'll build a wall.

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Anyway, I called my Britisher

friend Mother Theresa,

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who's always ready to hold my hand

when fake news surrounds me.

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She said not to trust the This Week

team, who've clearly spoken

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bigly to this loser,

loser, loser of an author,

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who I've never met, and to announce

an immediate reshuffle of the team,

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including some public sackings.

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Then to make absolutely

no changes whatsoever.

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That will baffle everybody,

said Mother Theresa.

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It worked for me, she added.

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So I did.

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And she's right.

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Nobody has a clue what I'm doing.

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Not even me.

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If that's not genius

I don't know what is.

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Speaking of those to

whom the appellation "literary

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giant" has never been applied, I'm

joined on the sofa tonight by one

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man who's written so many books

about himself that there's nothing

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left to say for any biographer.

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And another to whom only

a particularly deranged

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biographer would be attracted.

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Which explains why his

Boswell is Michael Gove.

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I speak, of course, of

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Michael #sadmanonatrain Portillo

and Alan #sadmanontheleft Johnson.

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Happy new year. Great to see you

back. Your moment of the week?

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Whatever frightful things Toby Young

might have said, I was upset to see

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him driven out by an online mob, an

online witchhunt, an online sale. I

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don't think it was really because of

the things he said. I think it was a

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partisan operation because there was

no similar operation about John

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McDonnell and the very bad things he

has said about Esther McVey. I was

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equally upset that Virgin Trains has

banned the Daily Mail. I dislike the

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Daily Mail intensely and have

campaigned against it.

Campaign to

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ban it?

Campaign that it should not

influence the Tory party too much. I

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just think every day we are moving

towards a world which is less

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diverse, less tolerant, less just,

actually less safe, to use that word

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much used by the left, because it is

very, very important that we should

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not be allowed to ostracise people

and things of which we disapprove.

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That is a clear moment. Yours?

Cressida Dick, the fairly new

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Commissioner of the Metropolitan

Police, continues to impress me. She

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told the London authority last week

that we should treat knife crime,

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which is an epidemic, as a public

health issue. There was press

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coverage but there was puzzlement at

what she meant. She meant this is

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something where the NHS, social

services and education should work

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together to prevent, as well as the

sentencing and all that, stop and

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search, they should work together to

prevent it. Three young men in

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London were knifed to death on New

Year's Eve. That made 80 in London

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for the year. That is a 30%

increase. In the rest of Britain

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there were 35. There were none in

Scotland. Scotland introduced this,

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treating knife crime is a public

health issue, in 2005. In Glasgow,

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one of what used to be the most

dangerous places, not a single knife

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death last year. I am glad Cressida

Dick is leading on this, but we do

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not -- if we do not learn from the

Scottish experience, we will have

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more of these statistics.

Two

excellent moments, a good start. You

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are not the first person who has

said they are impressed by the new

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chief of police in London. As a

former Home Secretary, what you say

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carries some weight on that.

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"In Defence of Trump".

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Not words you hear every day,

especially on this side of Atlantic.

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The default mainstream position

towards the President

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is a combination of despair,

horror and grim, even

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embarrassed fascination.

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Just when you think things can't

get any more farcical,

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he tells us of his genius

and boasts about the size

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of his nuclear button.

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But he's still there,

the US economy is growing fast,

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the stock market is at an all-time

high and unemployment

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at modern record lows.

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He's managed the first major tax

reform since Reagan and even

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North Korea's Rocket Man

is now inclined to talk.

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So are we overdoing

the anti-Trump hysteria?

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Are we suckers for the Trump circus

while ignoring the substance?

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Is there any substance?

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Here's journalist James Delingpole

with his Take of the Week.

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He's a laughing stock.

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His hair is a mess.

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No, it's a wig.

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He can't string a sentence together,

yet we can't stop quoting him.

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Somehow, though, this clown

managed to become President

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of the United States.

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Let's cut the crap.

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Donald Trump is amazing.

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The US economy is going gangbusters.

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The Dow is soaring.

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Growth is over 3%.

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Hourly wages are 2.5% higher

than this time last year.

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Unemployment for African Americans

is at record lows.

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And after Trump's sweeping tax

reforms, something that lesser

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Republicans have been trying

and failing to achieve for years,

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we can expect massive growth ahead.

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And because he's so frank

and fearless, he's even dared

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to take on the green crazies.

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He's brushed off all their

scaremongering nonsense

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and told it like it is.

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Global warming is just an excuse

to bomb the global economy

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back to the dark ages.

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Au revoir, Paris climate accord.

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Hello, freedom, scientific

integrity and prosperity.

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President Trump is on a mission

to make the world great again.

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He's crushed Isis, he's blown

the Middle East peace

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process back on course.

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And, as the President

of South Korea said this week,

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he deserves big credit for bringing

North and South Korea back

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to the negotiating table.

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So is President Donald

Trump really an idiot?

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Well, if he is, he's the luckiest

idiot in presidential history.

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Our thanks to Porter's

Barbers in East Dulwich.

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We promise not to send

Donald Trump there again!

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The hair-raising James

Delingpole joins me now.

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If Mr Trump is doing better than

most of us think on this side of the

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Atlantic, and actually doing really

well in your view in so many fields,

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why are his personal ratings so bad

in America?

Do you know what, I

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don't care what his personal ratings

are doing. I care about what he is

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achieving so far. It seems possible

that he is going to achieve

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something no President has

achieved... They have been trying to

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achieve it for years, bringing about

peace in the Middle East. He has

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been negotiating with Israel and

Saudi Arabia and it looks like his

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policies are helping the revolution

in Iran as well.

We are in the

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foothills of any new peace process.

I totally agree, this is the

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beginning. In the same way with

North and South Korea. He got so

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much stick for his alleged

warmongering gestures towards North

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Korea.

If he is bringing peace on

Earth, Utopia to the American

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economy, our money where there was

once discord, why at this stage in

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his presidency does he have lower

ratings among the American people

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than any recent President at this

stage in the cycle?

Maybe it is

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because if you want to get stuff

done, you have to be prepared to be

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disliked. Think about Margaret

Thatcher. She was very divisive,

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wasn't she, but she got stuff done?

Trump is a Marmite character. Some

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people, for example, think his use

of Twitter is inappropriate for a

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President, but my god it is

effective.

Are we in danger, on both

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sides of the Atlantic in the

political classes and the media, of

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concentrating too much on the froth,

the Twitter, the histrionics of the

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Trump presidency, and ignoring the

substance?

Yes, probably. Because

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every time there is a reaction

against Trump, core support, which

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have elected him because of his role

as an outsider. There is a

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resemblance to Corbyn in that

respect, that this is someone who

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breaks all the rules and is

different, etc. Then the Liberal

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elite, which would be all of us, I

guess...

Not James. Pre-1.

The more

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we throw rocks at him, the better he

looks. But what you have to look at

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is what has he actually done? What

has been his contribution to the

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upsurge in the American economy?

What has he introduced? He has not

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introduced the wall. He has not been

able to ban Muslims, which he said

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he would do. There is a projection

from the previous presidency as

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well. These things did not start on

January one, and the world economy

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has improved, the EU economy has

improved. When the world economy

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picks up, the US economy picks up.

I

love hearing you criticise him for

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not building the wall.

What I mean

is his campaign promises, campaign

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promises.

He gave an interview today

which has just come out. He is still

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talking about the wall and he is

saying he is going to renegotiate

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the Nafta deal, the free trade deal

with Mexico and Canada and America

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will be quids Inn and that will pay

for the wall, so it has not gone

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away yet.

Lets see if he achieves

that.

The US economy is growing

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quickly, gathering speed since last

year. As James says, unemployment

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among American blacks is now about

8% and falling. It has not been 8%

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four years and years and years. I

had not realised until I saw that.

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The stock market is soaring. All

that will probably matter more to

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his tweets that we in the media seem

to be obsessed with.

I am surprised

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James did not give this answer to

your previous question. The personal

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ratings are emitted a real because

he will face re-election in about

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three years. If the American economy

is going like this at them moment,

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and if it is having this impact on

unemployment at the moment, and if

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it has an impact on real standards

of living, then all of those things

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are likely to add up to President

Trump being re-elected, if that is

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what he chooses. I am not at all

sure he will choose to be a

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candidate.

He will if he thinks he

can win.

There is also a possibility

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that he will fall along the wayside

for one reason or another. I want to

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pay tribute to James, because

whenever there is a Republican in

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the White House, the British media

falls into extraordinary laziness.

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They simply dismiss as moronic

everything that any Republican

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President says. This was true of

both the Bush presidents, true of

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Reagan, and it is lazy journalism.

One has to try to understand

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American presidents in the context

of the American people. You have to

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understand why this person was

elected.

Do you accept that many on

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the wane -- on the mainstream right,

forget the left-wing critics, and

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even centre left liberals, but many

on the mainstream right, when

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mainstream Republicans required Mr

Trump is unfit to be president?

Yes,

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and I think they are part of the

problem. This is why what Trump is

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achieved is remarkable. It isn't

just fighting the Democrats but the

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GOP, is own party. He is fighting

the media. But I totally agree with

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your point about Ronald Reagan. I

was at school when Ronald Reagan

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became president. I vividly remember

how everyone said he was a dumb

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cowboy, how he was unfit to be

president, all the same thing. I

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think Trump will be recognised as

one of the great presidents.

James

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is kind of over egging his

achievements, because there haven't

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been any, because the tax reform is

there. You can be for or against it,

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but is the biggest tax reform since

Reagan. On foreign policy, despite

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all of the Gloucester and the rocket

man, he said in the Wall Street

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Journal tonight that he has actually

got a good relationship with Kim

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Jong-un in North Korea. And that he

encouraged North Korea to come to

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the Winter Olympics in South Korea.

Again, it makes me wonder, because

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you can see things that Mr Trump

says, and you shake your head in

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disbelief that this is coming out of

the White House in the greatest and

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biggest democracy in the world but,

when you look at the actual policy,

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North Korea is going to the South

Korea Olympics, and they are going

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to march into ever, iron told, and

unlike Mr bush or other previous

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presidents, he hasn't declared war

and invaded anywhere else.

If you

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want to give him credit for what Tim

Jonny Hill has done -- Kim Jong-un

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has done, it changed the election in

South Korea where someone the --

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suddenly there was a president keen

to establish a relationship with

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North Korea, and you could argue

that Kim Jong-il -- Kim Jong-un has

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been strengthened by Trump's

blustered and now feels able to the

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next stage. If you look at what he

has done the climate change

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agreement, which he might opt back

into, with the Iran deal, the

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nuclear deal, which I think is very

important, and all the do...

He

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backed the Iranian demonstrators,

which only hasn't done,.

We are

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talking about Trump, not coping at

the moment. In terms of his

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interventions, to pull out of that

Iranian deal, on all of those

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fronts, and on the Middle East, I'm

afraid he could have the best peace

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plan in the world but, if America is

seen as being suddenly partial

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rather than impartial, they are not

going to be able to bring the sides

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together.

It's always known to be

pro-Israel, under Democrat and

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republican.

But the Senate wanted to

be the honest brokers.

People still

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get worried, Michael, when there is

a president who seems, he is, the

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most powerful in the world, running

the most powerful country, in one of

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the most taxing jobs known to man or

woman, and he seems to spend most of

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his time watching television and

tweeting about it.

Gorillas. The

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gorilla channel. Read the book.

I

find that worrying, but I think one

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of the things that the Michael Wolff

book says to me is that the first

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year was characterised by

pandemonium, in which a very large

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number of unsuitable people were in

the White House, mainly making war

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with each other. And most of those

people, including Steve Bannon, have

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fallen by the wayside. And now the

government appears to be run mainly

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by rather good generals as opposed

to the rather bad general he had to

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begin with. And therefore I suspect

that, whatever Trump may be saying,

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the government is now in rather

better hands than it was six months

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ago.

Would he be fatally wounded

with a bad election result in the

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crucial midterms in November? Reed

what do you think is going to

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happen? You could lose the house and

get in the Senate is narrow. In the

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house, that would open the door to

impeachment.

He is fighting tooth

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and nail to preserve this

presidency. And I'm afraid this is

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how the left roles in America, as in

Britain. They don't like the fact

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that they've got Trump, a

Conservative Trump president in

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power. They will do everything to

unseat him, even if it means using

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the legal system.

The conservative

don't think he is a conservative. Do

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you think he will run again?

I think

he will if he is winning, and I

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think he will be at the of a second

term.

A different point of view from

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what we normally hear, not right or

wrong, but it's different, and we

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like that. Thank you.

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Now it's late -

Barack and Dave late.

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Except that it's now being claimed

that the bromance between our former

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PM and America's former

President was a sham.

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Is nothing sacred these days?

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It's even claimed that Call-Me-Dave

thought Barack one of the "most

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narcissistic and self-absorbed

people" he'd ever met.

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And he was at Eton

with Boris Johnson!

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But the words come from Mr Cameron's

very own former Mr Blue Sky Thinker,

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Steve Hilton, who has a TV show

to fill in America and scores

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to settle with his former boss.

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Call-Me-Dave's spinners are putting

it about that Blue Sky Steve

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is the real narcissist.

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When pals fall out, eh?

0:20:090:20:11

Of course, my little joke

about Boris has no basis in fact.

0:20:110:20:14

It is well known across the length

and breadth of the land

0:20:140:20:17

that there are no egos

or self-obsession anywhere

0:20:170:20:21

in the Johnson clan,

which is why we've invited his shy,

0:20:210:20:25

self-effacing dad Stanley to put

Twitter in the Spotlight.

0:20:250:20:31

And talking of anti-social media

you can of course, if you must,

0:20:310:20:34

contact us on the Tweeter,

the Fleecebook and

0:20:340:20:37

good old SnapNumpty.

0:20:370:20:39

But we never look at any of it

and our Spectrum 500

0:20:390:20:42

is on permanent delete mode.

0:20:420:20:44

So why not do yourself a favour

and make it a New Year's resolution

0:20:440:20:48

to give up your cyber-whining and

wittering?

0:20:480:20:52

British actor Gary Oldman picked up

a Golden Globe in Hollywood this

0:20:520:20:55

week for his portrayal

of Winston Churchill in

0:20:550:20:57

the new feature film Darkest Hour.

0:20:570:21:00

I'm told they're now

working on Darkest Hour 2,

0:21:000:21:04

the story of a MayBot that

mysteriously became Prime Minister

0:21:040:21:07

and was immediately pitched

into a series of gargantuan

0:21:070:21:10

struggles - from a failed election

campaign and a brutal Brexit

0:21:100:21:14

to a reshuffle shambles and a crisis

in the NHS.

0:21:140:21:18

Challenges that would surely

have done for any human.

0:21:180:21:22

But clearly machines are made

of sterner stuff, and as we speak

0:21:220:21:26

tonight it's still fighting

on all fronts.

0:21:260:21:28

Here's Isabel Hardman

with the latest dispatch

0:21:280:21:30

from the war zone.

0:21:300:21:33

Parliament was back this week

and the PM returned to the fray full

0:21:560:21:59

of the Dunkirk spirit,

ready to relaunch her

0:21:590:22:01

government with a reshuffle.

0:22:010:22:03

Who's in and who's out?

0:22:030:22:06

The trouble is, it didn't seem

to be entirely up to her.

0:22:060:22:12

She couldn't tinker

with the top jobs, obviously.

0:22:220:22:25

But, hey, there were still plenty

of important roles to be filled,

0:22:250:22:27

like the role of party chairman.

0:22:270:22:31

Chris Grayling!

0:22:310:22:32

Oh, no, sorry.

0:22:320:22:34

Brandon Lewis.

0:22:340:22:36

And there were big changes afoot

at Health and Business.

0:22:360:22:39

Oh, no, they refused to move.

0:22:390:22:42

But she moved Justine Greening

from Education to...

0:22:420:22:44

Oh, no, wait...

0:22:440:22:46

Greening resigned.

0:22:460:22:50

V for virtually the same?

0:22:500:22:54

The Prime Minister has

balanced it very well.

0:22:540:22:56

We've got some stability at Cabinet

level and we've got some new blood

0:22:560:22:59

coming through into the other layers

of government, so I think

0:22:590:23:02

the balancing act she's got right.

0:23:020:23:05

As if Cabinet colleagues aren't bad

enough, someone else the PM can't

0:23:050:23:07

get rid of is Nigel Farage.

0:23:070:23:09

Nigel feels that the Brexit

negotiations aren't holding

0:23:090:23:11

up to the Leave vote.

0:23:110:23:16

So he headed to Brussels for some

guerilla negotiating

0:23:160:23:18

with Michel Barnier.

0:23:180:23:21

Did you bring him a present?

0:23:210:23:23

No.

0:23:230:23:24

We're not going through all that,

though football shirts,

0:23:240:23:26

nothing like that.

0:23:260:23:27

I don't expect anything in return.

0:23:270:23:29

What I have brought him are some

questions that have come

0:23:290:23:31

from 17.4 million people,

a small sample of them, I agree,

0:23:310:23:34

and there's just this feeling

that the 17.4 million voted

0:23:340:23:36

for border controls, did not vote

for a transitional deal,

0:23:360:23:39

and that their view to date has not

been represented yet.

0:23:390:23:47

One way of dealing with the noisy

Brexiteers is to keep them busy,

0:23:470:23:50

preferably for the next 25 years.

0:23:500:23:53

The Prime Minister has

recycled Michael Gove

0:23:530:23:55

as Environment Secretary,

and sent him forth with

0:23:550:23:57

the government's 25-year

plan on the environment,

0:23:570:23:59

saving the world one

plastic bag at a time.

0:23:590:24:03

It's already the case that we have

introduced a very successful charge,

0:24:030:24:07

which is the 5p charge

on plastic bags.

0:24:070:24:10

Your challenge and your premise is,

hey, Gove, you haven't done enough.

0:24:100:24:15

Meanwhile, after a huge public

outcry over the decision to release

0:24:150:24:17

prolific sex attacker John Worboys,

the newly appointed Justice

0:24:170:24:21

Secretary is considering

making parole board

0:24:210:24:24

hearings more transparent.

0:24:240:24:27

MPs expressed incredulity over

the decision to release

0:24:270:24:28

the black cab rapist early.

0:24:280:24:33

What happened to the concept

that the punishment

0:24:330:24:35

should fit the crime?

0:24:350:24:36

It is impossible for people

to understand how the board

0:24:360:24:39

could possibly have deemed this man

to be safe.

0:24:390:24:42

Would my right honourable

friend agree with me that,

0:24:420:24:46

unless and until the board explains,

publicly explains the rationale

0:24:460:24:49

behind the decision it took,

people can't possibly have

0:24:490:24:52

confidence in our

criminal justice system?

0:24:520:24:59

Watch This Week on the beaches,

watch it in the fields.

0:24:590:25:02

Never, never, never!

0:25:020:25:03

Watch Newsnight!

0:25:030:25:07

Oh!

0:25:070:25:09

I think I've broken it.

0:25:090:25:12

This broadcasting is much

harder than it looks,

0:25:120:25:16

and you don't always get paid

as much as the men either.

0:25:160:25:20

This week, after another row

about pay equality at the BBC,

0:25:200:25:22

the Culture Secretary urged

the organisation to address the row.

0:25:220:25:26

This isn't just a matter

of levelling women's pay up,

0:25:260:25:30

it's a matter of pay equality.

0:25:300:25:33

Working for the BBC is public

service and a great privilege,

0:25:330:25:36

yet some men at the BBC are paid far

0:25:360:25:38

more than other equivalent

public servants.

0:25:380:25:42

The BBC have begun to act,

and I welcome that, but more action,

0:25:420:25:45

much more action is needed.

0:25:450:25:50

Oh, time for another

NHS winter crisis.

0:25:500:25:54

Jeremy Hunt, who is, yes,

still the Health Secretary,

0:25:540:25:58

insisted that the health service

was well prepared for the winter,

0:25:580:26:01

but he did tell MPs that there

was a need for a longer-term

0:26:010:26:05

debate about funding.

0:26:050:26:07

We do need to look to find

a consensus for the next

0:26:070:26:10

stage for the NHS.

0:26:100:26:12

We will need significantly more

funding in the years ahead.

0:26:120:26:14

We need to build a national

consensus as to how we're

0:26:140:26:17

going to find that funding,

and my own view is that we should

0:26:170:26:20

try and do that for a 10-year period

or a five-year period.

0:26:200:26:25

At PMQs, Jeremy Corbyn attacked

Theresa May on the NHS,

0:26:250:26:28

accusing her of being too weak

to sack her Health Secretary.

0:26:280:26:31

Theresa May responded

to the criticism of tried and tested

0:26:310:26:36

Health Secretary with

tried and tested lines

0:26:360:26:38

on economic competence.

0:26:380:26:41

Tax cuts for the super rich and big

business, are paid for...

0:26:410:26:45

Yes, Mr Speaker.

0:26:450:26:47

They are paid for by longer waiting

lists, ambulance delays,

0:26:470:26:50

staff shortages and cuts

to social care.

0:26:500:26:55

Creeping privatisation

is dragging our NHS down.

0:26:550:26:59

The Health Secretary,

during his occupation

0:26:590:27:03

of her office to keep his job,

said he won't abandon ship.

0:27:030:27:08

Isn't that an admission that,

under his captaincy,

0:27:080:27:14

the ship is indeed sinking?

0:27:140:27:19

This government is putting

more money into the

0:27:190:27:21

National Health Service.

0:27:210:27:22

We see more doctors in our NHS,

more nurses in our NHS,

0:27:220:27:25

more operations taking place

in our NHS.

0:27:250:27:29

The Labour Party's economic

policy was high risk.

0:27:290:27:31

Now, that means high risk

for taxpayers, high risk for jobs

0:27:310:27:34

and high risk for our NHS.

0:27:340:27:40

So, when This Week told me

they wanted to do a Churchillian

0:27:400:27:45

round-up, I was a bit worried.

0:27:450:27:48

Big shoes to fill and all that.

0:27:480:27:50

But, actually, it's not that hard.

0:27:500:27:53

SHE HICCUPS.

0:27:530:27:54

Ms Hardman, you are drunk.

0:27:540:27:56

That may be true but,

in the morning, I will be sober.

0:27:560:27:59

It is the morning and you are

channelling the wrong Churchill.

0:27:590:28:04

Oh, no, no, no.

0:28:040:28:11

Thanks to the In and Out Club

in St James's, central London.

0:28:110:28:14

We can only apologise for Isabel.

0:28:140:28:16

You never should have let her in.

0:28:160:28:20

And the lovely Miranda

Green is with us now.

0:28:200:28:27

Welcome back and Happy New Year to

you. Was there any point to this

0:28:270:28:31

cabinet reshuffle?

Well, it's hard

to discern what it was. It was

0:28:310:28:37

billed as a huge domestic policy

refresh, but all of the main

0:28:370:28:41

positions were left untouched. And

then there were these unseemly

0:28:410:28:46

castles with ministers who didn't

want to go, one of whom stays in

0:28:460:28:50

place, the Health Secretary.

Seemingly, this surprised me,

0:28:500:28:55

because if you're going to make a

big change like that, you sent out

0:28:550:28:59

the shoppers to have a quiet word

with them behind the scenes, if this

0:28:590:29:02

was to be suggested, and it may not

be, but he is saying that he knew

0:29:020:29:07

nothing about it until he went

there.

Its peculiar, but

0:29:070:29:11

unfortunately if a sort of action

replay of the election, and exercise

0:29:110:29:15

supposed to real but -- to reassert

authority and backfires, not least

0:29:150:29:23

by the refusal of her ministers to

do what she says.

At the end of last

0:29:230:29:29

year, we were saying, Mrs May has

finished the year a little bit

0:29:290:29:33

better than she was, things are

coming together now, and the year

0:29:330:29:39

was barely a week old and we are in

the middle of the reshuffle

0:29:390:29:42

shambles.

I agree it was adjudged to

be a shambles but the net effect on

0:29:420:29:50

the public might be the following,

that there are more women and ethnic

0:29:500:29:54

minorities brought into government

and that therefore the government is

0:29:540:29:58

trying to say something new to a

different group of people. And with

0:29:580:30:01

a great deal of emphasis today on

the environment, speaking of a 25

0:30:010:30:07

plan and so on, again I think the

government has been heard saying

0:30:070:30:10

something. I have often sat on this

sofa and said that the government is

0:30:100:30:14

saying nothing to anybody. This

week, it may have communicated

0:30:140:30:18

something.

I would suggest the other

way of looking at it is that the

0:30:180:30:25

composition of the Cabinet has not

changed, and if anything it is a

0:30:250:30:29

little more traditional, the same

number of women, fewer comprehensive

0:30:290:30:33

kids, fewer non-Oxbridge types, the

racial make-up has not changed. And

0:30:330:30:41

for voters, what really happened is

that politicians most people have

0:30:410:30:44

not heard of have been replaced by

politicians nobody has heard of.

0:30:440:30:49

Supposing the result were that a new

dynamism was put into education

0:30:490:30:53

policy, a dynamism that we saw from

Michael Gove when he was in that

0:30:530:30:57

position and a dynamism that we see

from Michael Gove in his new

0:30:570:31:00

position at environment? That might

be very consequential, because

0:31:000:31:04

whether you believe what has been

written about Justine Greening today

0:31:040:31:08

or not, it is the case that

education policy was making no

0:31:080:31:12

impact on the public.

What is your

take?

What Michael has described is

0:31:120:31:18

what Number Ten hoped this would do

for Theresa May. The public do not

0:31:180:31:23

take much notice of reshuffles,

particularly when they are so low

0:31:230:31:26

key. But it is another unforced

error. It is like Les Dawson playing

0:31:260:31:32

the piano. You know he is supposed

to be all right at this. If you are

0:31:320:31:38

having an inconsequential reshuffle,

why go on the Andrew Marr Show and

0:31:380:31:41

talk it up? Why did journalists

start putting out stuff like Hunt is

0:31:410:31:48

going to leave hell? And then you

get this! Central office, the Chris

0:31:480:31:54

Grayling tweet. This is what is in

the public's mine.

Listen to

0:31:540:32:01

Michael! It is all really going

well.

At 11:56am, Chris Grayling is

0:32:010:32:07

the chairman of the Tory party, and

at 11:59am he is not.

Describe the

0:32:070:32:15

state of the government.

They are

very confused. This attempt to

0:32:150:32:21

wrench energy and attention off

Brexit and onto these important

0:32:210:32:24

domestic agenda issues, it is

looking stumbling but it is

0:32:240:32:29

something they probably need to do

if they have any hope of winning the

0:32:290:32:33

next election. Since we think most

of the Tory party is resigned to

0:32:330:32:36

hanging onto Mrs May, then they have

got to try and form some sort of

0:32:360:32:43

positive agenda.

We wondered after

the election, after the Tory

0:32:430:32:51

conference, remember that, another

triumph that you easily dismissed.

0:32:510:32:55

Going to Brussels without talking to

her DUP partners and having to come

0:32:550:32:58

back.

The excellent reasons that

emerged during the course of last

0:32:580:33:05

year for keeping Mrs May, the

excellent reasons that emerged,

0:33:050:33:09

which were firstly that there was no

one else and secondly that there

0:33:090:33:12

would be a bloodbath to put someone

else in, those excellent reasons for

0:33:120:33:16

keeping her remain.

Were you not the

one who said she would be gone by

0:33:160:33:22

Christmas?

I did indeed.

Square that

with what you just said.

I said

0:33:220:33:28

these reasons emerged during the

course of the year. Either way, on

0:33:280:33:32

this programme, luckily, we are not

paid results. No matter how often we

0:33:320:33:37

are wrong, we are back here. And I

can tell the licence payer -- the

0:33:370:33:43

licence fee payer, it does not

affect my fee.

There is a lot of

0:33:430:33:51

talk about this being a watershed

moment for the NHS. My instinct is

0:33:510:34:00

that it probably isn't, because the

instinct of politicians and the NHS

0:34:000:34:04

is just to stumble through another

winter.

Two things. First, the NHS

0:34:040:34:11

has always managed its budgets by

something called a waiting list.

0:34:110:34:15

They stopped operating in November.

And at the end of the financial

0:34:150:34:20

year, they would start again. When

the government, my government, put

0:34:200:34:24

in these performance measures

Michael was talking about, and put

0:34:240:34:33

them into the NHS Constitution, that

you are not going to delay, not

0:34:330:34:37

going to wait two years for a

cataract operation, as soon as that

0:34:370:34:40

happened, they could not use the

waiting list any more. And attention

0:34:400:34:43

you are seeing now, if we can't use

the waiting list and the money we

0:34:430:34:48

spend on pay, which has gone up by

4% per year since 1955, has now gone

0:34:480:34:53

up by 1.4% since 2010, eight, nation

of that and the terrible shortage of

0:34:530:34:58

nursing. Theresa May was saying we

have more nurses. For the first

0:34:580:35:04

time, the register of the National

nurses and midwives has gone down.

0:35:040:35:09

Since 2005, it has started to go

down and has been going down. There

0:35:090:35:13

is a deficit.

One in ten unfilled.

During the course of all the

0:35:130:35:23

apocalyptic pronouncements that were

made today by the providers' bodies,

0:35:230:35:27

one of the things they said was that

the situation was the turning point,

0:35:270:35:31

the worst it has been for 15 years.

Guess who was in power 15 years ago.

0:35:310:35:37

I am not making a partisan point,

but one of the great annual

0:35:370:35:41

traditions of the British people is

that in the winter the NHS comes out

0:35:410:35:44

and moans about needing more money.

Sometimes the government gives it

0:35:440:35:48

more, sometimes it doesn't. There is

nothing new about this whatsoever.

0:35:480:35:53

The thing that is a bit depressing

as we go through this again is that

0:35:530:36:00

on both front benches there is no

appetite for any kind of real reform

0:36:000:36:04

of the NHS any more. It is down to

an argument just about money, isn't

0:36:040:36:09

it?

It is, except for this idea of

the way that the NHS and social care

0:36:090:36:14

fit together. What has happened in

recent years is the NHS has borne

0:36:140:36:18

the brunt of the local government

cuts and social care. Bed blocking

0:36:180:36:25

and people being sent into the

health system who could be cared for

0:36:250:36:28

elsewhere, because austerities was

imposed much more stringently on

0:36:280:36:34

local government. You have to look

at the two together or you can't

0:36:340:36:38

help the health service. If that is

on the agenda, and it would bring

0:36:380:36:41

England into alignment with the rest

of the UK, and there is quite a lot

0:36:410:36:45

of cross-party consensus on it, so

maybe that will bring the NHS

0:36:450:36:49

through this crisis. But it does

need more money. We have an ageing

0:36:490:36:54

population, more expensive,

sophisticated treatments.

0:36:540:37:03

sophisticated treatments.

I was

Health Secretary ten years ago. The

0:37:030:37:06

policy on social care has always

rested with the NHS. The money is

0:37:060:37:11

with local government.

You need Alan

Johnson to tell us what the truth

0:37:110:37:14

is. But we also need Miranda. Thank

you. Michael Portillo, not so much.

0:37:140:37:20

Social media like Twitter

were originally seen

0:37:200:37:23

as a democratic advance,

giving everybody, not just

0:37:230:37:25

politicians, the media

and the powerful a voice

0:37:250:37:26

in our public discourse.

0:37:260:37:27

And it still fulfils that role.

0:37:270:37:29

But it's also been a voice for some

of the darker forces in our society.

0:37:290:37:33

And for those on the wrong end

of a Twitter mob, it's become

0:37:330:37:36

a modern-day inquisition.

0:37:360:37:37

In the pre-digital age,

what you said usually disappeared

0:37:370:37:39

into the mists of time,

unless you were a public figure.

0:37:390:37:42

Now it's forever recorded

for posterity to resurrect even

0:37:420:37:45

when you've moved on,

as Toby Young found out to his cost.

0:37:450:37:50

Is this healthy disclosure

and transparency?

0:37:500:37:54

Or are we creating a climate

in which anybody who aspires

0:37:540:37:56

to public life would be well advised

to remain studiously anodyne?

0:37:560:38:01

Important questions,

which is why we're putting

0:38:010:38:04

Twitter in the spotlight.

0:38:040:38:12

Toby Young alienated enough people

with his own tweets this week,

0:38:190:38:22

he ended up losing his job.

0:38:220:38:24

Masturbating over

images of refugees.

0:38:240:38:28

He talks about women's breasts

constantly on Twitter.

0:38:280:38:31

About their knockers, their breasts,

their boobs, on and on.

0:38:310:38:39

So, in the age of the inter-web,

is the past no longer

0:38:390:38:42

a foreign country?

0:38:420:38:44

What do we all think

about Meghan Markle?

0:38:440:38:46

I think she's trouble.

0:38:460:38:47

Why do you think she's trouble?

0:38:470:38:49

Background...

0:38:490:38:51

Well, Ann, Meghan Markle's

not taking any risks.

0:38:510:38:54

She's deactivating the Tweeter,

Instagranny and the Fleecebook -

0:38:540:38:57

as has Lewis Hamilton.

0:38:570:39:03

But don't worry, Twitter ain't

going to force very stable genius

0:39:030:39:06

Donald Trump to log off.

0:39:060:39:09

There is a public interest

in people seeing what elected

0:39:090:39:11

world leaders are saying.

0:39:110:39:14

Let's bear in mind that this

is the elected leader

0:39:140:39:16

of the biggest power in the world.

0:39:160:39:21

But is social media

always #megalolz?

0:39:210:39:25

It's everyone's responsibility

to stand up and make change,

0:39:250:39:27

so that's why I'm wearing it.

0:39:270:39:31

Maybe not when it's

used amid allegations

0:39:310:39:32

of sexual harassment.

0:39:320:39:34

You got criticised for wearing that.

0:39:340:39:36

Do you know why?

0:39:360:39:41

The things that I heard that went

on Twitter are not accurate.

0:39:410:39:45

So should we like and re-tweet

everything we read?

0:39:450:39:47

Chris Grayling is to be

the new party chairman.

0:39:470:39:53

Well, not if it comes

from the Conservative Party's

0:39:530:39:55

Twitter account on the day

of a Cabinet reshuffle.

0:39:550:39:59

We are going to go back

to Downing Street.

0:39:590:40:01

Chris Grayling hasn't been confirmed

as Conservative Party chairman.

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Not much more than

confusion central.

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What absolute nonsense!

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Believe it or not, septuagenarian

and jungle giant Stanley Johnson's

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got thousands of followers

on social media.

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But is it a force for good or bad?

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And Stanley is with us now.

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Welcome back. Are we in an age in

which

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which Twitter has become a kind of

mob caught?

I am incredibly

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intrigued by this because I went

into the jungle, not actually a

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jungle but a jolly nice forest. I

went in and as far as I knew I only

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had four followers, my siblings. I

came out and found there were 17,500

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followers on Twitter and 140,000 on

Instagram. I didn't know about

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Twitter or Instagram. But now I am

beginning to feel my way a bit. It

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seems interesting.

You are a new kid

on the block on this. Others like

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Toby Young, who have been using it

for a long while, sometimes not

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wisely, find that it comes back to

haunt them big time.

That is the

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moral of the story. Just to go back

half a second to this jungle thing.

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One thing that was made absolutely

clear to me, you are on 24 hours a

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day, on-air and being filmed. I

think you have to treat social media

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in the same context. If you don't

want to be overheard saying

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something, don't say it on social

media.

You may have got that, a man

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of maturity and experience, but if

you are 17 you are not going to

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think that, are you? Just like at 17

you do not think about building a

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pension, the last thing on your

mind, 17, 18, 19. You don't really

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think that 12 years down the road,

when I apply for this job

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somewhere...

You raise a good point.

Is there a statute of limitations?

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Do you go back and say, you can't go

back more than seven years? I used

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to know Toby Young when he shared

digs with my daughter at Oxford. He

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wrote some pretty nasty stuff.

People have dug it up. My son, Joe,

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defended him for 40 minutes House of

Commons. He got a brilliant defence

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from him and the next morning Toby

Young resign, so there is no

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gratitude in politics.

My policy...

You never joined Twitter.

I don't

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tweet because I drink. I don't think

you should drink and tweet, and I am

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not prepared to give up drinking.

You are wise beyond your years!

Is

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that -- is that not the problem a

lot of people are falling into? A

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lot of these tweets are late at

night and people have had a drink or

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two. I am sure you have never

regretted anything that you tweet.

I

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tend to tweet economic statistics.

The President of America tweets

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later Mike and in the morning.

He

doesn't drink.

We have a couple of

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hours in our time zone when he has

gone to bed but before he wakes up

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when it is quiet and at 6am it is

East Coast time coming up to 11 and

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all hell breaks loose. If you want

to cover him, you have to follow

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him. What do you make of what is

happening on social media? Putting

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aside Toby Young, which has been

done to death as a debate, but are

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we holding, do the dangers we did

not foresee in all this?

Maybe, but

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I do not have anything to do with it

and I never have. I am probably the

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last generation of politicians who

can get away with that, Michael and

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I. Now, I see politicians who find

it very difficult if their

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politicians are not able to follow

them on Twitter. Therefore, they get

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involved. It is a medium which is

good in many ways, but a medium for

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bullying. That is what worries me.

Younger people in particular.

That

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is my second reason for not doing

it. I don't want to read stuff about

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myself.

Look at what happened today.

There was a report out in America,

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Russian involvement in the Brexit

referendum, largely activated

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through Twitter. All of these troll

farms. There is a downside.

There

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is, and I'm glad we have raised it

and I am glad we got you back in one

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piece.

I haven't then shunned my

book.

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book. It is my book about how the

Russians fixed Brexit.

But it is

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fiction?

It is truth.

Alternative

factor.

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And that's your lot

for tonight, folks.

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Wardrobe by Army Surplus, studio

courtesy of the London Dungeon,

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transport provided by

Chris Grayling's minicab,

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online research by Damian Green,

failed reshuffling of the cast

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by Theresa May, and

scripts written by...

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Yes, contrary to popular belief,

there is a script for this show,

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but nobody will own up to it.

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All complaints to the Director

General, c/o The Presidential Suite,

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the Four Seasons Hotel,

Cayman Islands.

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Don't bother contacting us.

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We're off to Lou Lou's

to celebrate our 15th birthday.

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Yes, this show was launched

in January 2003, when Alan Johnson

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had a burgeoning political career

and Diane Abbott didn't,

0:45:430:45:46

and Choo Choo thought

Trainspotting was a film rather

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than a career choice.

0:45:520:45:55

If we can find any friends

or viewers or money, we might throw

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a proper party in a few weeks' time.

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Watch this space and you

might get an invite.

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Nighty-night, don't let

Choo Choo's latest hobby bite.

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Bravo. What's it all about?

Fertility rites and things like

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that, you see.

No. I'll give it a

go. Hello, do you mind if I step in.

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Andrew Neil reviews the political week with Michael Portillo, Alan Johnson and Miranda Green, with a film rounding up the headlines from Isabel Hardman.

The studio guests are James Delingpole looking at the Trump presidency, while Stanley Johnson will offer his social media advice.