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This Week was born with a silver
spoon in its mouth. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:22 | |
spoon in its mouth. We trained
alongside the snowflake Yentobs at | 0:00:24 | 0:00:31 | |
the BBC. We ran our own independent
television programme out of a broom | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
cupboard in Westminster. We liked
the way it was. But this week, has | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
everything changed? | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
everything changed? There is a
distinct chill in the air, so are we | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
heading for a new Cold War? The
British government wants you to | 0:00:51 | 0:00:58 | |
think you are not safe from Vladimir
Putin. This is straight out of a | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Cold War play, but it is all hot
air. And is the economy safe under | 0:01:02 | 0:01:08 | |
spreadsheet Phil? Spreadsheet Phil
says he feels like Tigger, and at | 0:01:08 | 0:01:16 | |
least his non-statement had some
good jokes. These are topsy-turvy | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
times, but are we seeing a fightback
from those who find themselves on | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
the wrong side of history? America
has a President on the wrong side of | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
history. We've got to fight back.
There's only one way to fix it. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:39 | |
Endure tonight's edition of this
week. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
Evenin' all. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
Welcome to This Week,
the week in which McMafia went | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
from expensive BBC Drama to scary
lead on BBC News. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
The British Government,
its major allies and pretty much | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
all chemical weapons experts
are in little doubt that the use | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
of the deadly nerve gas Novichok
in the attempt to assassinate | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
a former Russian spy now living
in Salisbury clearly puts | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
President Putin's Russia
in the frame. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
The Maybot managed two statements
in the Commons this week saying | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
as much, without malfunction. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
She even managed a fist
bump with an onlooker | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
when she visited Salisbury today. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
That new people-friendly software
seems to be bedding in nicely. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
But Dear Jezza was widely
criticised, not least | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
by his own side, for being less
than convinced about Kremlin | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
culpability and for seeming more
angry about rich Russian emigres | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
making donations to the Tory party
than a foreign power sanctioning | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
murder on British soil. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
But that's unfair. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
I can see where Jezza's coming from. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
After all, in almost every major
foreign policy issue for the past 40 | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
years you've unfailingly taken
the anti-Western line. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
You've rarely said anything hostile
about the Soviet Union | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
or the Russian Federation
which succeeded it. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
You even went on a motorbike holiday
to one of its colonies. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
With Diane Abbott. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
That's sacrifice for you. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
You've never mustered your Stop
the War mates outside | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
the Russian Embassy
to embarrass those within. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
You've toiled under the studio
lights of Russia Today, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
even when only three conspiracy nut
jobs and your cat were watching. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
You've even hired a chief spin
doctor who's opined that | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
old Uncle Joe Stalin wasn't such
a bad chap and the Soviet Union | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
not such a bad place. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
And yet still these damned Ruskies
give all their ill-gotten gains | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
to the bloody Tories! | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
I mean, I can see why he's miffed. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
I'll bet you would be too. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Speaking of those who never
get their just desserts, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
I'm joined on the sofa tonight
by two lost causes who've never done | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
anything to deserve any payback
whatsoever and to whom no sentient | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Russian oligarch would dream
of donating a single kopeck. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
I speak of course of Michael
#choochoo Portillo and Lisa | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
#northernsoul Nandy. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:53 | |
Welcome to you both. Your moment of
the week. It came this morning, or | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
at the end of yesterday, when the
United States, Britain, France and | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
Germany issued a joint statement
condemning the Russian action. The | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
reason it was the moment of the week
was that I fear that Putin had | 0:04:07 | 0:04:13 | |
succeeded in splitting Nato apart.
At the beginning of the week, Donald | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Trump could not find words to
condemn Russia. There was an | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
irresponsible statement from a
French diplomat yesterday talking | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
about fantasy politics being
practised in Britain. I thought, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
this is what Putin wanted, to show
the West split asunder, and he has | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
succeeded. Luckily, at the last
moment both France and the United | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
States have recognised the danger
inherent in that. If we do not stand | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
united we are in great difficulty
and he will have won an enormous | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
victory, Putin, so thank goodness
even the Trump White House and the | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Macron presidency have rowed in
behind and there was a strong | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
statement, backed up by the
Secretary-General of Nato. This is a | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
moment where one says a disaster has
been averted. Lisa. This is why we | 0:05:00 | 0:05:07 | |
shouldn't just sit and gossip about
what we had 30 in the Green room, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
because I was going to say the same
thing. We had these moments of | 0:05:10 | 0:05:17 | |
hydrometer or week in the House of
Commons with a big clash over the | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
spring statement, free school meals.
But this is the moment where it felt | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
like we stopped talking about who
was responsible for the attack on | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
British soil and started thinking
seriously about how we would deal | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
with Russian aggression collectively
rather than as individual nations | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
which is not productive. It was a
good thing for the country. Two | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
similar moments, with a different
nuance. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Britain's major allies,
from Canada to Germany | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
and including Mr Trump's America,
rallied behind the country | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
today, less than 24 hours
after the Prime Minister unveiled | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
a range of retaliatory
measures against Russia, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
in response to the attempted murder
of a former Russian spy | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
in the genteel cathedral
city of Salisbury. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
The British government believes
that the deadly nerve gas used | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
was Russian and that it was deployed
on British soil by the Russian | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
state or its surrogates. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Nato in general and America
in particular agree. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Washington today announced fresh
sanctions against major Kremlin | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
figures in response to hostile
and illegal Russian | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
activity in the US. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Britain is braced for a Russian
response to its sanctions | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
by the weekend and I'm told tonight
that the UK has further measures | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
to announce when that happens. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Even the Leader of the Opposition
says the evidence now points | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
to Russian complicity. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
But, of course, the Putin
government denies it. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
Here's former Kremlin
adviser Alexander Nekrassov | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
with his Take of the Week. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
There's a chill in
the air in Britain. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Theresa May, the ice queen, has sent
a message to President Putin. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
"Take back half of your diplomats
and get ready for your oligarchs | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
"in London to get frisked. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
"And no Prince William or Boris
Johnson going to your World Cup". | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
But jokes aside, the situation
is serious, with three people, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
including the ex-Russian spy
Sergei Skripal, in a critical | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
condition after a suspected chemical
attacks in Salisbury. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:42 | |
The British government thinks
Russia is behind it. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
Moscow is denying it,
but London isn't buying it. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:51 | |
Let's make one thing clear. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Mr Skripal ended up in the UK
in a spy swap nearly ten years ago, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
and security services never go
after spooks who've been exchanged. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:12 | |
It's naive to assume that only
Russia has access to the nerve | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
agent dubbed Novichok,
which had first been produced | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
in the Soviet Union in the 1970s. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:23 | |
It is very probable that most
laboratories, like Porton Down, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
have possession of it. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:33 | |
Rogue agents and terrorists
could have got their hands | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
on the nerve agents,
not forgetting groups | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
and individuals that
have an interest in framing Russia, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
like Isis or some oligarchs
living in London. | 0:08:53 | 0:09:01 | |
Theresa May has allowed herself
to be dragged into the media's | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
anti-Russian frenzy,
so she had no choice but to act. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
And she sent an ultimatum to Moscow. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:19 | |
"Explain yourself,
or your diplomats get it". | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Moscow ignored the ultimatum and 23
Russian diplomats were told | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
to leave, and no British officials
are going to the World Cup. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:32 | |
Make no mistake, the incident
in Salisbury is a grave one. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
But Russian gas will continue
to heat British homes and BP | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
will continue to make
billions in Russia. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
While politicians
argue, life goes on. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
I know it's Machiavellian,
but that's how it is. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:55 | |
And Alexander is with us now. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:06 | |
Welcome to the programme. Michael,
how sure are you that Russia is | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
behind the Salisbury attack? I am
behind what the Prime Minister said, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
it is either that Russia has
attacked us, or it has lost control | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
of this agent. And the Russians were
invited to give an explanation. Can | 0:10:18 | 0:10:24 | |
I say broadly I think this week has
made me so thankful that I live in a | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
Liberal democracy with an
accountable government whose main | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
purpose is to protect its citizens,
and Russia, I'm afraid, is a | 0:10:31 | 0:10:37 | |
kleptocracy which has turned into a
Mafia state. The Russian state has, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:44 | |
for centuries I would say, murdered
its own citizens. It did so under | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
the Czar, under Stalin on an
industrial scale, and it continues | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
today. It is not murdering its own
citizens on an industrial scale | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
today. Why don't you listen to me, I
said Stalin did it on an industrial | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
scale, and it is continuing to
murder its citizens today but not on | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
an industrial scale. How sure are
you that Russia is behind the | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
attack? I think it's fairly clear
that all roads point to Russia. It's | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
not just a question of the nerve
agent that was used. It's also that | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
this fits with a pattern of
behaviour we have seen from Russia | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
across the world, but including in
Britain in recent years. And it is | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
also the fact that there is a fairly
clear motive. It is not just the | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
identity of the person targeted,
alongside his family, but also that | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
we have presidential elections on
Sunday in Russia and it seems there | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
is a very clear reason why the
Russian government would want to | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
see... What would the reason be? It
seems fairly obvious to me that | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
Putin is very, very keen to see
turnout increased. And that provides | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
a motive. It says to me that when
Theresa May said, we want you to | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
come and explain yourselves, we
should have seen a much better | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
reaction from the Russian government
if there wasn't a clear motive. All | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
roads lead to Russia. I don't see
that. First of all, why would Putin | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
wants this before the election? Do
you think Russians are keen on | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
seeing chemical weapons used to kill
somebody abroad? All of the state | 0:12:24 | 0:12:31 | |
media organisations immediately
started pumping out a message about | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Western conspiracies, the sort of
thing you were repeating on that | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
screen, to be honest. It suits
Putin's agenda to have some kind of | 0:12:36 | 0:12:43 | |
alliance of Western powers being
tough about Russia, because it works | 0:12:43 | 0:12:50 | |
with his narrative. Most Russians,
you don't have to be a supporter of | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Putin, will regard the victim of the
attack as a traitor. Yes, but he was | 0:12:54 | 0:13:00 | |
exchanged in a Speidi swap and
security services do not go after | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
these people, because the whole
concept -- concept of a spy swap is | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
that you don't go after these
people. It is a sort of immunity | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
from attack. Remake it sounds as if
Russia plays by the rules but it | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
does not. Security services have to
play by the rules about -- otherwise | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
they kill each other randomly. One
of the reasons why British | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
authorities, particularly chemical
weapons experts, are sure it is | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Russia is because of the Novichok
nerve gas, which only Russia has | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
produced. Russia did not tell us it
was producing it. It was only when | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
the Soviet Union broke up that we
discovered it. The idea, as you | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
said, that Isis or other terrorists
could use it, it is a really | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
dangerous thing to use and has to be
done in a skilled way. If you make a | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
mistake preparing it, not only would
you kill yourself but everybody in | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
all of the streets around you. You
went further and said it might be a | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
Russian dissident or plutocrat.
First, let me give you some facts | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
which point to other countries and
groups. The inventor and creator of | 0:14:08 | 0:14:14 | |
Novichok lives in America since
1996. Do you really believe that the | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Americans did not talk to him, did
not find out his secrets, what he | 0:14:19 | 0:14:27 | |
invented and so on? So the Americans
are behind it? No, I'm telling you | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
about the spread of Novichok. Under
the international chemical | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
agreements, to which Russia is a
party, Britain, Russia and America | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
are allowed to hold minute
quantities of this, so they can work | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
on antidotes, if it should appear,
as happened in Salisbury, and so | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
they can keep an eye on whether it
is spreading around the world. That | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
is not in doubt. The question is,
the only country that has produced | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
it as a weapon is Russia. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
Why do you think it could have
disappeared from other laboratories | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
in the world? Other than Porton
down, an American one and Russian | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
one, it has not been in other
laboratories in the world that there | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
was one major laboratory in central
Russia that produced weapons grade | 0:15:20 | 0:15:29 | |
stuff that was found in Salisbury.
The words highly possible applying | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
to Russian involvement is not
definite. A follow-up on Twitter | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
said that if you are told if
something is highly possible will | 0:15:39 | 0:15:48 | |
open, you will not jump. It is not
dead certain evidence. They said | 0:15:48 | 0:15:57 | |
highly possible. We do not have
definitive evidence. I understand | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
that. There seems to be a lot of
accumulating stuff. If not Russia | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
then who? If it was Russia, what was
the purpose? I think it might | 0:16:08 | 0:16:15 | |
firstly be to see if Nato had been
split at a time when Britain is | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
involved in Brexit and Donald Trump
by highly difficult to come out and | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
condemn Russia. It could be to send
a warning to people who are involved | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
in counterintelligence at the
moment. It may be that the British | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
are having success in penetrating
Russian intelligence at the moment | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
and then need to be people who
warned. Russians who are helping our | 0:16:37 | 0:16:44 | |
intelligence services? I think Putin
might firstly to deny it but denies | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
it was such an arrogance that it is
difficult to take that denial is | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
seriously. On the one hand he is
saying to the Russian people we are | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
not murderers and on the other hand
he is saying, look, we can get | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
people wherever they are in the
world. This traitor has died and we | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
are a world power and we have
recovered from our humiliation. We | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
are dictating terms to the west.
That is a popular message. He | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
manages to have it both ways by
these smug denials which no one can | 0:17:15 | 0:17:23 | |
take seriously, in my view. I think
you treat Russian people as if they | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
are bloodthirsty. I love the Russian
people. The Russian government. They | 0:17:26 | 0:17:34 | |
are saying, wonderful, our president
can order a hit and it is carried | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
out. They don't like that. I don't
understand. Andrew asked a very good | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
question. What is the reasoning
behind hit? They have the World Cup | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
which is in danger. They have the
election, which causes a problem. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:55 | |
The timing is already questionable
for Russia. I don't understand the | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
logic. It does not work. The only
credible alternative candidate in | 0:17:59 | 0:18:06 | |
the election has been brutally
attacked and has been badly injured. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
All the other candidates have been
forced to withdraw from the | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
election. The election is a farce.
Why does he need to do this? Why did | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
he need to do this. I did not say it
particularly had anything to do with | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
the election. To be fair to
Alexander, when we kill a terrorist | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
with a drone, British people are
happy about that. I don't dispute | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
that the Russian people might be
quite happy that the traitor is | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
killed. Was the response from
Theresa May robust enough? I think | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
it was right. If you look at what
happened in Salisbury, there is... I | 0:18:44 | 0:18:52 | |
think there is a real question about
the timing of this attack. As I was | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
saying earlier, the question about
presidential elections, a president | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
who was worried about turnout in
those elections and the level of the | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
attack demanded a response from the
UK but not necessarily a collective, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:13 | |
serious response that would
seriously frightened Russia. You can | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
feel it from the sense of this
conversation we are having. If | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
anyone sees the things that Russia
is upset we are not sending | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
ministers to the World Cup then
think again. Sanctions are hurting | 0:19:26 | 0:19:33 | |
them. The sanctions that would
really hurt Russia is if we went | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
after... You have made that point
very well. I wonder if Mr Putin, who | 0:19:38 | 0:19:48 | |
is clearly going to have a landslide
victory, is he in the long ones | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
still dealing with a position of
weakness and does he need to do | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
things like this almost in a bread
and circuses way because it keeps | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
the population? He presides over an
economy smaller than Italy. He | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
presides over an economy
overwhelmingly dependent on fossil | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
fuels. It has an industrial capacity
which is crumbling. Many Russians | 0:20:11 | 0:20:20 | |
have left the country in recent
years there is almost of third World | 0:20:20 | 0:20:28 | |
standards in places. Is he not the
strongman we think he is? We are | 0:20:28 | 0:20:35 | |
discussing a very specific problem
about this incident in Salisbury and | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
have Russia can be connected or not
connected to it. And I don't really | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
see any connection. OK, here's a
weak leader. Let's assume that. I am | 0:20:44 | 0:20:50 | |
just trying to balance this with the
problem. He is a weak leader. How | 0:20:50 | 0:20:57 | |
does that help him? It does not. I
cannot see a logical explanation for | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
Putin and his people to go after a
man who is not even known in Russia. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
Nobody knows about him. Very low
grade. There is no point. Unless you | 0:21:07 | 0:21:15 | |
consider the point was to provoke a
response. There are people here in | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
Britain where there is damage,
serious damage. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:33 | |
serious damage. Litvinenko a small
fish as well. Why was he murdered? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
In my opinion, the Russian state had
nothing to do with it at all. We | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
don't have time for that. I'm
grateful to you for coming in. Thank | 0:21:42 | 0:21:49 | |
you very much. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
It's late. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
Mark Lynas late. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
Who he, I hear you ask? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Well, Mr Lynas is a former
eco-warrior who has lately | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
repented his activist past. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
He revealed, this week,
how he attempted to kidnap Dolly | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
the cloned sheep from her shed
at the Roslin Institute | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
in Edinburgh. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
The plot was foiled
because the raiders found the shed | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
so full of the little woolly
baa-baaing blighters that Dolly | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
was impossible to single out. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
It was probably then
that it dawned on Mr Lynas | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
what the word clone means. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
One man who will always
stand out in a crowd | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
is the larger-than-life TV
presenter, lawyer, and former mayor | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
of Cincinnati, Jerry Springer,
who's putting "fighting back" | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
in the Spotlight. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
And, if you'd like to get in touch
via the Tweeter, the Fleecebook, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and the jolly old Snapnumpty, well,
I await your missives | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
with all the enthusiasm
of a Scottish panda anticipating | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
an Edinburgh Zoo booty call
on a chilly March evening. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
In other words, not...at...all. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
There is a saying, attributed
to sundry famous figures, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
that "a lie can travel half way
around the world before | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
the truth puts its boots on". | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
This week, a study of more
than 120,000 rumours | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
and false news stories,
spread on Twitter, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
seemed to bear this out. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
Researchers from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology found that | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
fake news travelled faster
and reached more | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
people than the truth. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
In fact, false stories
were 70% more likely to be | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
retweeted than true stories. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
Isn't citizen journalism wonderful? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
The most common subject matter,
of course, was false political news. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
But don't get too
downhearted, dear viewer. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Spring is a-coming,
despite this weekend's reprise | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
of the beast from the east,
and the truth is out there. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Somewhere. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:32 | |
I'm sure we'll find it one day. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
We sent the Telegraph's Liam
Halligan to search for any green | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
shoots of recovery in our weekly,
100% trustworthy, political roundup. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:46 | |
The Chancellor says there's light
at the end of the tunnel. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
He's feeling positively Tigger-like. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
The economy's resurgent. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
Spring has surely sprung. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
If, in the autumn, the public
finances continue to reflect | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
the improvement that today's report
hints at, then, in accordance | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
with our balanced approach,
and using the flexibility provided | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
by the fiscal rules,
I would have capacity to enable | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
further increases in public spending
and investment in the years ahead. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:42 | |
That's a deluge on those hoping
for a springtime spending boost. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
We'll have to wait till
the autumn at least | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
for the succour of state largesse. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
So where are those
fabled green shoots? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:58 | |
Rummaging in the fiscal undergrowth
- a tribute there to David Bellamy - | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
it's difficult to spot any kind
of announcement in this hacked | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
back spring statement. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
I won't be producing a red
book today, Mr Speaker, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
but of course I can't speak
for the right honourable gentleman. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:17 | |
No mention indeed by John McDonnell
of his hero, Chairman Mao. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
No chance in his mind a thousand
Tory flowers might bloom. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:25 | |
Does the Chancellor really believe
the NHS can wait another eight | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
months for the life-saving funds
that it needs? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
How many people have to die waiting
in an ambulance before he acts? | 0:25:32 | 0:25:40 | |
Theresa May's convinced Moscow's
to blame for the attack in Salisbury | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
on double agent Sergei Skripal
and his daughter, Yulia. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
She gave Putin a midnight deadline. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
Either this was a direct act
by the Russian state | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
against our country,
or the Russian government lost | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
control of its potentially
catastrophically damaging nerve | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
agent, and allowed it to get
into the hands of others. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Jeremy Corbyn focused his ire
not so much on Moscow | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
as on the British government. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
He cast aspersions
on Conservative Party finances. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
There has been over
£800,000 worth of donations | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
to the Conservative Party,
to the Conservative Party | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
from Russian oligarchs
and their associates. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
So... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
So... | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
The Absolute Boy was scolded
by Matron May and some on | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
on his own backbenches. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
And when it came to
dealing with Russia, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
the Prime Minister was adamant. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Calling a spade a spade. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:44 | |
Under the Vienna Convention,
the United Kingdom will now expel 23 | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Russian diplomats who have been
identified as undeclared | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
intelligence officers. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
They have just one week to leave. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
This will be the single biggest
expulsion for over 30 years and it | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
reflects the fact that this is not
the first time that the Russian | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
state has acted against our country. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
Corbyn has condemned these attacks,
but he says before expelling | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
diplomats, Britain should have
heeded Russian requests | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
for the nerve agent to be
independently tested. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
America and France have
backed Britain, for now, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
but they will want to see
test results, too. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
How has she responded to the Russian
government's request for a sample | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
of the agent used in the Salisbury
attack, to run its own tests? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
And while suspending planned
high-level contacts, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
does the Prime Minister agree
that it is essential to maintain | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
a robust dialogue with Russia? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:48 | |
More sobering news from MP
Lucy Allen, who highlighted | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
systemic sexual abuse,
often against white working-class | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
girls, in her Telford constituency. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
These young girls are too often
white, working-class, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
with multiple vulnerabilities. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
And that is what the perpetrators,
that is why the perpetrators | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
are targeting them. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
And it is also why,
so often they are miscast | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
as bringing it on themselves. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
They are miscast as being indulging
in risky behaviour, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
as being promiscuous,
as somehow being to blame | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
for what is happening to them. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
What's that? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:39 | |
A lesser spotted Lib Dem? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
Oh, it's Vince Cable,
using his party conference speech | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
to brand all Brexit voters racist. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
Springtime, or a new yellow dawn? | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
Too many were driven
by nostalgia for a world | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
where passports were blue,
faces were white and the map | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
was coloured Imperial think. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:08 | |
-- pink. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
Well, if none of the news can warm
the cockles of my heart, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I'll have to have a good
old-fashioned cup of tea and bask | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
in those lovely warm winds blowing
across the sea from Brussels. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
It's time that we go
beyond what I should say | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
the slogans, the sound bites. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
We present what I should call
a concept, a vision, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
an architecture for the future,
because that is what is | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
lacking for the moment. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
Then the time will come when you'll
regret your decision. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:47 | |
It's time to face up the hard facts. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:55 | |
Beware the Ides of March,
or a Belgian scorned. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:06 | |
Well, at least in Britain's Brexit
Phoenix must be about to hatch. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Any signs of life? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
Something, surely, soon? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:16 | |
Our apologies to Camley Street
Natural Park in King's Cross | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
for the havoc Liam Halligan wreaked
on your shrubs. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:27 | |
Has Jeremy Corbyn misjudged the
Russian business or is he being true | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
to his views? The problem is that in
the statement Theresa May made, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
Labour were not clear about the
very, very strong probability, let | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
me put it that way, that Russia was
responsible, which diverted all of | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
the focus of the debate onto whether
Russia actually did it which seems | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
not really, despite the conversation
we have just had, to be a topic much | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
up for discussion, and diverted that
away from quite a serious point. It | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
wasn't very well received and it
shouldn't be party political, the | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
point about where the money years.
If you are serious about taking on | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
Russian aggression, you have to
think seriously about taking on | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
where Russian money lies, and much
of it is in London, laundered | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
through the UK. That means you have
to start thinking about doing things | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
like Labour has been doing, tabling
amendments to the money-laundering | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
Bill, which means we will be able to
clamp down on that money. If you can | 0:31:28 | 0:31:35 | |
identify it as money from people
involved in human rights abuses, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
corruption or close to the Putin
regime. The British have not gone | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
far enough on that, have they? On
the money? No. You said earlier that | 0:31:41 | 0:31:48 | |
further measures are expected in
response to the retaliation. That is | 0:31:48 | 0:31:56 | |
why they have kept some stuff back.
I think that is probably the case. I | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
think Corbyn did get it wrong. I
think he got it wrong basically | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
because he does not like the West.
He does not like the United States | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
in particular, does not like Nato.
So he is being consistent. To be | 0:32:10 | 0:32:19 | |
fair, he has been cleared today. He
is not a credible turn to Prime | 0:32:19 | 0:32:25 | |
Minister. He wrote a piece for the
Guardian online today in which he | 0:32:25 | 0:32:30 | |
said clearly that Russia was
responsible. He didn't, actually. He | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
said that the evidence points
towards Russia but that it could | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
have been Russian gangsters. He
echoed a lot of Theresa May's | 0:32:38 | 0:32:47 | |
language today. I appreciate that
wasn't clear earlier in the week, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
certainly not when his spokespeople
did a media briefing. But it has | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
been made clear. Not just in this
piece today but the Labour Shadow | 0:32:55 | 0:33:04 | |
Defence Secretary, the Shadow
Foreign Secretary and the shadow | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Brexit secretary on Question Time
today have all been clear. You are | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
talking over each other. People will
not be able to hear. If you raise | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
the serious possibility that this
could be Russian Mafia, rather than | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
Mr Putin, then why would you support
expelling 23 diplomats? I am not | 0:33:21 | 0:33:29 | |
completely sure we are disagreeing
with each other here. My point is | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
that that is the problem, that we
shouldn't be discussing who was | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
responsible for this attack. We
should be discussing how the UK | 0:33:37 | 0:33:43 | |
responds, and particularly the
importance that we both opened the | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
programme with, making sure Russia
cannot divide the UK, the US, France | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
and Germany in responding in a
united way. Labour's Social | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Democrats have found their voice on
this. For how long? For how long | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
what? Do they continue to speak up?
I think what you have seen emerge | 0:34:01 | 0:34:09 | |
over the last few days is the social
Democratic position, and a fairly | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
clear position. If you look at the
range of voices across the Shadow | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
Cabinet and the backbenchers, there
has been much made of the split | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
between the front and back bench in
the Labour Party in recent years, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
but actually you are hearing us
speaking with one voice. That has | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
been very important, not least
because if we are serious about | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
going after, standing up to Russian
aggression, we have to go after the | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
money and there has been far too
little debate about that. I am not | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
sure you are speaking with one voice
at all, because I have three | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
different voices down here from Mr
Corbyn to Emily Thornbury to Seamus | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
Milne, saying different things. Then
they come to the Tories. When you | 0:34:51 | 0:34:56 | |
look at our growth prospects as
outlined by the OBR, why did Philip | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
Hammond have any right to be
cheerful? Well, the deficit | 0:35:00 | 0:35:07 | |
reduction has been quite impressive
so he has the right to be cheerful | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
about that. At last. Well, yes, it
has taken a long time but it was the | 0:35:10 | 0:35:16 | |
point of the whole thing. We could
not go on having the largest deficit | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
in the European Union, adding to
national debt that has reached 85% | 0:35:20 | 0:35:26 | |
of GDP. If you look at the forecast,
it forecasts an average of 1.5% | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
growth per year for the next five
years. There is no appear reared in | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
post-war British history when there
has been five years of growth that | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
low. Never. If it was to happen, I
would suggest to you the Tories have | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
no right to be cheerful at all. One
reason he would have been cheerful | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
was that the OBR forecast in
November was inverted by the | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
forecasted produced in time for the
May statement. So he probably | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
thinks, as I think, that the OBR
forecasts are not worth the paper | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
they are not written on. The OBR
changed its forecast this year by | 0:36:06 | 0:36:13 | |
0.1%. On growth. It got the
productivity figure madly wrong. I | 0:36:13 | 0:36:19 | |
think he probably thinks there is
better ahead and he will not be too | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
depressed by OBR forecasts. He must
be worried about the trend in | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
household debt, because in recent
years we have seen a government very | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
determined to get debt of the public
balance sheet but instead it has | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
been pushing it to families,
individuals and institutions. We | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
have hospital trusts now across the
country £1 billion in debt, families | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
whose debt levels have now reached
almost 50% of household income. And | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
this is a real economic problem,
because as we leave the EU, the | 0:36:48 | 0:36:54 | |
resilience in the country is not
there. I want to come onto one other | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
thing which is really important.
Rochdale, rather, Oxford, now | 0:36:58 | 0:37:05 | |
Telford. Everybody knows what I'm
talking about. Why is this so | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
widespread? And if it has been
revealed in these towns, it must, I | 0:37:08 | 0:37:17 | |
would suggest, still be happening in
other places in this country, to our | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
national shame. Do you agree?
Completely. And what is worse about | 0:37:22 | 0:37:28 | |
it is that what we are learning
coming out of Telford is repeating | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
exactly the same patterns and
messages we have seen coming out of | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
those other areas. You have a
pattern of grooming gangs preying on | 0:37:35 | 0:37:41 | |
young people, not just young women
but young men as well, variety of | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
backgrounds, who are particularly
vulnerable. And then you have a | 0:37:45 | 0:37:51 | |
pattern of people in authority
either not recognising it, or seeing | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
those young people as part of the
problem. Final thought from you on | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
this, Michael? Which bit? The whole
pattern of Telford. I would endorse | 0:37:59 | 0:38:05 | |
what Lisa has said. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:11 | |
what Lisa has said. Failure to
investigate, obstructed by political | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
correctness and unwillingness to
look into the thing in case they are | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
accused of racial bias. Sometimes
blaming the girls. Certainly, but | 0:38:15 | 0:38:23 | |
Lisa made that point already. All of
this is terrible and it has to | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
change. Let's hope it is changing.
But I think the MP that we saw there | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
raising the issue has raised it
extremely well and has put it | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
absolutely back in focus. And police
forces and other agencies need to be | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
very aware of this now. Thank you
both. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
These days politics increasingly
resembles an episode | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
of the over-the-top cult tabloid
shock-fest which once | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
was the Jerry Springer Show. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
If it was still around,
this week alone would have given | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
us a robust exchange
on "The President Sacked Me | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Because I Called Him
a Moron", a confessional | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
"Bad Vlad's Made Me Mad",
and a whimsical "My Chancellor | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
Thinks He's A Winnie The Pooh
Character". | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
Rowdiest of all, of course,
would have been "I'm a Porn Star | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
and I Slept with the President". | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
Obviously, I made that last one up. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
At least that's what the White House
lawyers insisted I say. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Like the Jerry Springer Show of old,
these sorts of stories thrive | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
on a desire to grab control
of the narrative, set | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
the record straight,
right perceived or hushed up wrongs. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
That's why we're putting "fight
back" in the Spotlight. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:35 | |
We have all been reminded this week,
it is tough at the top. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Just when you think you have
got your rivals licked, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
they all fight back at once. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
Across the country and further
afield, we saw that nobody | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
stays on top for long. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
The Democrats snatched
a surprise victory after | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
going the full 12 rounds
in Pennsylvanian Trump territory. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
We are still fighting the fight. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
It's not over yet. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
We're going to fight
all the way to... | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
All the way to the end. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
It took a little longer
than we thought but we did it. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:11 | |
Down but not out, Steve Bannon
is still trying to fight | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
everyone and everything,
all at once. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
Let them call you racists. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
Let them call you xenophobes. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Let them call you nativists. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:19 | |
Wear it is a badge of honour. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
And this week, animal rights
activists tried to fight back | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
on behalf of the underdog,
storming Crufts in an attempt | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
to steal, or should that be rescue,
the winning animal. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:36 | |
Angela Merkel showed the world
you didn't need to be taught any | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
new tricks as the German
Chancellor knocked out | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
the competition yet again. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
Sort of. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
And, after years of political
sparring, of gun violence, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
the schoolchildren in the USA have
decided that enough is enough | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
as they organised mass walk-outs
across the country and took | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
the fight to Washington. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
There has been a fight
for change for a long time. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:06 | |
But there's never been
a more powerful movement | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
than what the students of Brooklyn
and New York City in this nation | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
have done these last few weeks. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
We will not sit in our classrooms
wondering why Congress is not | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
working as hard as we are. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:25 | |
I admire you and I appreciate you. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
Keep fighting. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
Thank you. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
Jerry Springer knows a thing or two
about fighting back. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
But can you always stay on top? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:39 | |
And Jerry is with us now. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:48 | |
Welcome back. That was a great film.
That brought back memories, the | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
final shot. The big fight back for
you, in America, from your point of | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
view, are the Democrats. They had a
good result in Pennsylvania in the | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
18th district, a district that had
gone over the 20% lead for Mr Trump | 0:42:04 | 0:42:10 | |
over Mrs Clinton, and the Democrats
just got it back, they just won it. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
It is quite Trump territory, but
overall how would you rate the | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
fightback. I don't think there is
any question that in November the | 0:42:18 | 0:42:24 | |
Democrats are going to do very well.
Will it be enough of a wave to take | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
control of Congress again? That, we
don't know. But clearly right now | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
the resistance to Trump, President
Trump, is significant. In every | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
poll, you never gets above 40%, and
that is unheard of for a sitting | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
President in his first year. So
shouldn't you be more confident that | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
you would at least take the House
and maybe the Senate? The reason you | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
can't be totally confident is
because we have a system where the | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
congressional districts are drawn
every ten years by state legislature | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
laws. So the way they are drawn,
they favour the Republicans, because | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
what the Republican state houses
did, they piled the democratic | 0:43:06 | 0:43:12 | |
population all into one district and
then spread the Republicans out so | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
they would win more. So even though
more Americans vote for Democrats | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
than Republicans, we have more
Republican congressman than | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
Democrats. Who is leading the fight
back? This is the thing I find | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
interesting. Every time I look at
the Democrats and, we are on our way | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
back, the people saying this, their
combined is about 350. Well, yes. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:40 | |
But here is the deal. The person who
is leading the fight back, in a | 0:43:40 | 0:43:47 | |
sense, is Trump. It is the reaction,
America's reaction to the fact that | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
we have Trump as President. And I
think it's important to say, when we | 0:43:51 | 0:43:57 | |
are in another country, for example,
when people make fun of us because | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
we have Trump as President, it's
important to remember that Hillary | 0:44:00 | 0:44:05 | |
Clinton got 3 million more votes
than Trump. I understand Trump is | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
the President, but let me just say
it is not a reflection of America to | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
say that Trump is the President,
because America voted for Clinton. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:20 | |
If you were not fighting an
electoral college election, it you | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
would fight it entirely different,
so I am not sure of the comparison. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
I am more concerned about the future
and I don't know how you fight back | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
unless you have a leader. And is
Bernie Sanders the leader again? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:38 | |
Probably not. Who would it be? It's
not a personality thing. I'm telling | 0:44:38 | 0:44:44 | |
you, right now the women's movement
is very significant in America. And | 0:44:44 | 0:44:49 | |
then on the issue of race and
multicultural America, this is the | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
first time in American history we
have had a President who is opposed | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
to the idea of a multicultural
America. We are the only country in | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
the history of the world to have
been created by an idea. Most | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
countries start out either as a
religion, a race, ethnic group. We | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
started out, first there was the
idea, let's have one place on earth | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
where it would not matter where your
parents were from. That's the dream, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
the goal, and Trump is opposed to
that. And then the Muslims, the | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
Mexicans. I know you don't like
Trump, that's not the point. He's a | 0:45:22 | 0:45:30 | |
nice person, he shouldn't be
President. I would not even go down | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
that road with you. On fightback, I
still don't see, given that the | 0:45:34 | 0:45:40 | |
Democrats have the demography in
their favour, they have young people | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
in their favour as well and more
increasingly they have women, too. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
But I don't know of any fightback
that works unless you coalesce | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
around one or two people who
represent all that. The presidential | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
election is in 2020. The primary 's
will start towards the beginning of | 0:45:57 | 0:46:04 | |
2019. Excuse me, 2020. Once the
primary 's start, the candidates | 0:46:04 | 0:46:12 | |
that will enter the race, someone
will emerge. Who is your person? I | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
don't have one yet. I understand
that but a moment ago you said it is | 0:46:17 | 0:46:24 | |
not a personality thing, but it is.
We are not so concerned over here | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
about congressional elections. We
are worried about the presidency | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
because it affects people outside
the United States. And of course you | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
need a candidate. Last time, you put
up a candidate said Nick -- 70% of | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
Americans disliked, and that is why
you lost. Most of them voted for | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
her. They might not have wanted to
date her. Everybody knows the rules | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
of the American system and Hillary
Clinton for the bad campaign because | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
she was fighting in the wrong places
under the rules of that election. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
She lost fair and square, firstly
because she was incompetent and | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
secondly because Americans disliked.
So you've got to find a candidate | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
better than that. I understand but I
don't agree with your assumptions, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
with all Jura Specht. In terms of
competency, it wasn't even | 0:47:12 | 0:47:18 | |
competition. Competency in fighting
the election. It ignores the | 0:47:18 | 0:47:24 | |
structural problems the Democrats
have, which you see for centre-left | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
parties across the world. One of the
problems the Democrats had when I | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
went to visit after the EU
referendum, they were talking very | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
much about the same thing Labour is
grappling with, about younger people | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
in cities who have a different
outlook from older people in towns. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
I have to interrupt because we have
overrun. Briefly, what are you doing | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
here, other than being with us?
Everyone always says that, what are | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
you doing here? I am appearing on
some programmes, but none as good as | 0:47:52 | 0:47:58 | |
yours. And I am going to Dublin on
Saturday night. I am glad you found | 0:47:58 | 0:48:06 | |
time to be with us. Never come here
without visiting us. I can reveal | 0:48:06 | 0:48:13 | |
that CBS News is going to run the
Stormy Daniels 60 minute interview | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
on the 25th of March. Stormy Daniels
is the pawn star. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
That's your lot for
tonight, but not for us. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
Because, inspired by news that
humans survived a super-volcano | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
eruption 74,000 years ago by hiding
out in South African caves, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
we're off to Loulou's,
which is as close as you can get | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
to a cave in Mayfair. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:34 | |
Lisa is bringing her
ethically-sourced Camden Market | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
black-out curtains and Michael
has his SAS survival | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
guide, signed by Mrs T,
as well as his souvenir | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Bluebell Railway penknife. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
We're going to hole up in the bar
until all this nerve gas | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
and depressing news blows over. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:50 | |
And, if the months go by and we have
to subsist on pork scratchings | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
and Molly's dog biscuits,
well, at least they'll take | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
the taste away from the Blue Nun. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
Nighty-night, don't
let Vladimir Putin's | 0:49:00 | 0:49:01 | |
election memorabilia bite. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:09 |