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Hello, welcome to

Thursday in Parliament.

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On this programme, the Home

Secretary says the government

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will take robust action once it's

clear who's responsible

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for the attempted murder

of a former Russian spy

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and his daughter in Salisbury.

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The investigation is moving at pace

and the Government will act without

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hesitation as facts become clear.

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There's a call for better

support for young people

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and children's mental health.

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And, as MPs mark

International Women's Day,

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one argues there's still sexism

in the House of Commons.

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We see it in this House. A juvenile,

grinning idiocy that is so offensive

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sometimes.

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The Home Secretary has described

the poisoning with nerve gas

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of the Russian former double agent

Sergei Skripal and his daughter

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Yulia as a "brazen

and reckless act."

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The pair were found collapsed

on a bench in Salisbury

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city centre on Sunday.

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Counter-terrorism officers

are working to find the origin

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of the nerve agent.

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In a statement to MPs,

Amber Rudd said it was important

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to avoid speculation

about who was responsible,

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but added when that became clear,

the UK would respond

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in "a robust manner."

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She gave MPs a timeline

of the events at the weekend.

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I want now to turn to

the speculation, of which there has

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been much, around who was

responsible for this

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most outrageous crime.

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The use of a nerve agent on UK soil

is a brazen and reckless act.

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This was attempted murder

in the most cruel and public way.

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People are right to want to know

who to hold to account.

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But, if we are to be rigorous

in this investigation,

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we must avoid speculation and allow

the police to carry

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on their investigation.

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She said the investigation is

involving...

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The investigation is moving at pace,

and this Government will

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act without hesitation

as the facts become clearer.

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As my Right Honourable

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Friend the Foreign Secretary

made clear on Tuesday,

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we will respond in a robust

and appropriate manner once

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we ascertain who was responsible.

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We on this side of the House are

appalled that anyone could be

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poisoned on the streets of our towns

and be share with the Government the

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determination that this case be

brought to a speedy and just

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conclusion. And that similar

incidents are prevented in the

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future.

How do we affect human

assets in this country, and build

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this type of scenario lead to a

review of how we best protect these

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people across the United Kingdom?

Considering his background, he was

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at high risk, does the Secretary of

State know how the process was able

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to slip through the intelligence

service and what sense is she taking

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to ensure that those who are at risk

are properly protected?

This is an

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investigation that's ongoing. It is

going at pace and in circumstances

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where the police and the other

services involved appreciate the

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urgency of this. It does not help

their work, which must be our

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priority, the speculative at the

moment, on what might happen the

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future, when we have an attribution

in hand.

I have written to ask for a

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review of 14 other cases and she

will note that there are many ways

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that this will happen and precedents

for doing so. Can I also ask her in

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terms of this immediate

investigation, has she considered

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going to the UN Security Council to

ask for a statement calling on all

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nations to provide assistance,

including willingness to extradite

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suspects should that be needed?

I

think the right honourable Lady and

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I have got her letter and I will be

responding. I would gently say that

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now is not the time to... Now is the

time to focus on the investigation

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proceeding. She makes a suggestion

involving international activity and

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I can't say that at some stage, we

will be coming back to the House

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with our proposals, but for now, we

are merely preparing and

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concentrating on the incident.

Whether or not Russian agents are

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shown to be responsible for this

incident, as in the time we got more

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realistic about Russia? Kenda Home

Secretary confirm whether or not the

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memorandum of understanding between

the UK and the Russian nuclear power

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company that was championed by the

former Prime Minister Esther

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Cameron, has formally -- Mr Cameron.

Can she make sure it has ended so

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that the previous love in with

Russia we saw it years ago is

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completely finish.

We should be

cautious about attribute in guilt at

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this stage. Thus the Home Secretary

share my anger about the cruel

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nature of this crime which could so

easily have resulted in considerably

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more collateral damage. Moshe Escher

me and my constituents that the full

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force of the law -- will she assure.

Just because we want to approach

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this with a cool head in order to

collect the evidence does not mean

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that we don't share the outrage that

his constituents and he himself

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clearly feels about this. When we

have the evidence, I will return to

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the House.

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Amber Rudd.

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Too many children and young people

reach "crisis point"

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because services are not working

effectively together,

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according to regulators.

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The Care Quality Commission has

warned that national,

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regional and local action is needed

to ensure services work to support

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young people's mental health needs.

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In December, the Government

published a plan, or green paper,

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aimed at improving children

and young people's access to mental

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health support in schools

and colleges in England.

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The Government has committed to

making available an addition £1.4

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billion to improve children suspect

mental health services to deliver

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two commitments... Spend is reaching

the front line, it's an issue I know

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the honourable Lady and members have

concerns about. By 2020, ...

In this

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report, we see evidence of services

actively putting up barriers to

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treatment. Resulting in children and

young people reaching crisis point

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before being able to get access to

the right treatment. Children are

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suffering because of those high

eligibility thresholds. We know that

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50% of mental health problems

develop before the age of 14 and

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that 75% develop before the age of

18. Does the Minister recognise that

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imposing high eligibility thresholds

means that children and young people

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are treated only when their

condition becomes more serious?

We

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are the first government to

introduce waiting time standards,

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and have to make relevant... They

are both either meeting are on track

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to meet their target at the moment.

We will also be piloting the full

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week waiting time for specialist

waiting times as outlined, we are

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considering the report that the

responses to that.

It is shocking

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that some children are receiving

assistance after attempting suicide,

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I note that the national mental

health director has stated that

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child and adolescent mental health

services are now proving that from a

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stopping point, a historic

underfunding and the legacy

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understaffing. This report is surely

an example of the latest reports in

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recent years demonstrating the

impact that this government's

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austerity driven agenda...

In the

next few weeks, workbook...

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Something that is long overdue and

much anticipated, a clear sign that

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this government is investing in

mental health and young people but

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we continue to have a problem with

our CCJA in delivering front-line

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services even though the Government

are providing -- our CCG.

We know

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that the money has fallen short,

well short of what was committed to-

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three years ago. Of the Minister

absolutely commit to making sure the

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shortfall of money getting through

to children's mental health

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services?

Will the Minister listened

more closely to the voice of

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parents? What parents want, if they

think there something wrong with

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their child, whether it's mental

health or autism, they want early

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diagnosis and treatment.

That's why

the report highlighted... I

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completely agree with him.

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Steve Brine.

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The Prime Minister has

said that after Brexit,

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the UK will be leaving

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the Common Fisheries Policy,

the rules which give all European

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fishing fleets equal

access to EU waters.

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But on Wednesday, there

were two developments

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which worried the UK industry.

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First, the draft EU guidelines

for trade talks with the UK stated

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that existing reciprocal access

to fishing waters and resources

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should be maintained.

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Then, the Chancellor Philip Hammond

said the Government would be open

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to discussing appropriate

arrangements for access for British

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fishermen to EU waters and for EU

fishermen to British waters.

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With those factors in mind,

several MPs had questions

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for the Environment Minister.

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Can the Minister give an absolute

assurance...

We have been clear that

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when we leave the European Union, we

leave the common fisheries policy.

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That means that under international

law, the UN convention of the law of

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the sea, we become an independent

coastal state that we will manage

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the fisheries resources in our

exclusive economic zone and manage

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access to our own waters.

Does the

Minister agree that leaving the

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European Union provides fishermen

with a sea of opportunity and part

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of that will include protecting

them...

I wonder if we can get an

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answer with no Dodge, given all the

tales...

Mr Speaker, the Government

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is still seeking a trade deal in the

future, but he should also be aware

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that other countries like Norway and

Iceland have control of their

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waters, they grant access and the

other that we will continue to be

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part of that negotiation.

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A Conservative MP wondered

whether the UK would leave before

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the proposed transition period

began next year.

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When not far -- one of our... Can

the Minister confirm that we are

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leaving it in March up next year and

that he won't trade away our newly

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we want sovereignty over fishing in

the interest of a wider trade deal?

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To agree an approach on the

management of shared stocks and we

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envisage that such meetings will

continue. But I can confirm that the

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UK Government's view is that there

is a trade discussion to take place

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and we want a free trade agreement

and the fisheries discussion to take

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place, where we want to take control

of our waters.

The commission's

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position on the other that they

state, existing reciprocal access

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should be maintained. They also

suggest that any future deal should

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be... This position is cooked

unacceptable for the fishing

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communities around the UK. Can my

honourable friend confirm that this

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government...

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Yes, I simply say to my friend that

this is an EU position. They current

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-- currently benefit from access to

it UK. They currently access 100,000

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tonnes of fish in EU waters, and the

EU Access 700000 tonnes of fish.

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They would say that, wouldn't they

quiz map that is not a position UK

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shares.

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George Eustice.

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You're watching Thursday

in Parliament, with me,

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Alicia McCarthy.

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Earlier this week, MPs voted

to bring Northern Ireland in line

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with the rest of the UK by requiring

political parties there

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to reveal who funds them.

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It means that all donations of more

than £7,500 made after July last

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year will have to be made public.

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But the decision not to backdate

the publication of donations means

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details of those made during the EU

referendum campaign

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will not be listed.

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That includes a controversial

donation of more than £400,000

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to the DUP from a group of pro-union

business people called

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the Constitutional Research Council.

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That angered a Labour

former Cabinet minister.

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Following the disgraceful decision

by the Government yesterday to keep

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secret the source of the 425 of

hundred thousand pounds donation to

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the Leave campaign via the DUP,

meeting the public have no idea

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where this money came from, what

more can she be in the Electoral

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Commission do to ensure we have full

transparency in our democratic

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system?

The commission welcomes the

existing order which will provide

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for the first time information about

donations and loans received by

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parties in Northern Ireland. But the

commission also builds as the

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transparency back to 2014 as

Parliament envisaged and would

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support the third order to provide a

full transparency back to 2014.

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There are more than 500,000 miles

of underwater cables that carry much

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of the world's web traffic.

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At the end of last year,

the head of the armed forces

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Air Chief Marshal Sir Stuart Peach,

said the military had prioritised

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the protection of the UK's cables

because of the threat

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posed by Russia.

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This was after warnings that any

attack would be a "crippling

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blow" to the country's

security and economy.

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A Labour Peer wondered

if the government took

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the issue seriously enough.

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Journalist walk into a farmhouse in

Cornwell through an open door and

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photographed all the connections to

one of the main submarine cables.

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And at last summer, a ship dropped

its anchor on a cable between here

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and the mainland and cut the cable.

And nobody has bothered to prosecute

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this. So could he explain whether

the Government really is -- takes

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seriously the issue of a security on

these cables and what is he going to

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do to ensure that these two

instances that I have just mentioned

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will not happen again?

The noble

lord raises an important point. As

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far as the Sunday Times report is

concerned, I can say the reporter

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was unable to access any secure

section of the facility. The

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essential point about this is that

there is resilience in the system.

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There are many cables coming into

the 11 the landing sites for

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transatlantic cables in a different

places. Because of the resilience of

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the system, when one particular

cable is broken, the system

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continues. As far as prosecution is

concerned, most of the breaks in the

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cables, and there are a considerable

number each year, about 30-40 each

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year, as the result of accidents.

And that is why it is not normally

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necessarily -- necessary to

prosecute. But these are similar

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actions because the cables locking

individual companies. It is under

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them to seek damages.

We were very

concerned about cables in the 1970s

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and we built the HMS Challenger grey

cost because we were concerned.

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Finally we got rid of her when the

Cold War style. The Russians have

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now started investing very heavily

in a nuclear submarines that can go

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deep into these attacks on these

cables. At the end of the Cold War,

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we're the best anti-submarine

warfare and undersea warfare to

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mobility in the world. That hasn't

been eroded. What are we doing to

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have ships that will enable us and

platforms that will enable us to go

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and check these lines, repair them

and do the work?

Is not just the

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Marines nowadays. Any so called a

civilian vessel, which can have

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drones on them, can do it. The

issue, the main defence is

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resilience, and a lot to different

cables because there are just over

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half 1 million miles of cables to

monitoring the world.

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Lord Ashton.

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Back in the Commons,

MPs held a debate to mark

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International Women's Day

and celebrate 100 years

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since some women got the vote.

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The Labour MP Jess Philips began

by reciting the names of women

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killed by men in the last year.

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As always, the women are all ages

and were killed in violent episodes

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at the hands of men. Violence

against women and girls is an

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epidemic. If as many people died

every week at a sporting event or

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because they had a particular job,

there'll be a national outcry. These

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deserve the same. We must all do

better to hear their stories and to

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end the culture of a male violence

that killed them up.

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Over the next nearly four minutes,

she read out the names

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of all the women who had died

from domestic violence

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in the UK since the last

International Women's Day.

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Our test should always be given we

do everything we could to protect

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all women? There are too many women

in this country, the answer to this

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is still simply know. We must do

better.

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Another Labour MP fought back tears

as she called for an end to violence

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against women in conflict zones.

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I was more in the country,

Bangladesh, that was born out of

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compliment were millions lost their

lives. Where rape and violence was

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used as a weapon of war. And that

continues in many other countries

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today. We must all continue to work

hard to make sure that we bring an

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end to sexual violence in the

conflicts.

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An SNP MP argued sexism was deeply

embedded in our culture.

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We see it in this House, a juvenile,

grinning idiocy that is so offensive

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that sometimes, the smugness of a

minority of men who think that

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supposedly clever point scoring

Peru's something. And

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anti-intellectual nonsense that

makes this continuing debate so

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tiring. There are men in this House

who have a record of opposing

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progressive politics without

substantiated argument but with

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plenty of bluster and filibuster,

imposing a quality as a playground

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joke. I, and I am sure others, are

tired of engaging with men who have

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it so very little to offer, and I am

pleased that they represent a very

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tiny percentage of the men I

encounter.

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Other MPs spoke of encouraging more

women into politics and Westminster.

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We must put forward a very positive

view of the women's role in this

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House because the most important

thing is to encourage young women to

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look at this as a potential career

and if they are always complaining

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and pointing out downsides of the

jar, that is not going to be very

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encouraging.

The best thing we are

doing at the moment is having a

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female Prime Minister. Because

certainly for me, it was when I saw

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Margaret Thatcher become Prime

Minister and leader of the party,

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that made politics relevant for me.

It turned to politics from being

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frankly a lot of old men in grey

raincoats into something which was a

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Technicolor, relevant issue for me

to be involved in as a 14-year-old

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girl living in South Wales, where

there were not too Tories around.

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And I could see an amazing role

model on the television.

It is

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important that we in his house take

responsibility for inspiring our

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women and daughters. But I think we

should also remember that many of

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inspiration to our mothers and

grandmothers, and Parliament in our

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lives. My own grandmother did not

have the right to vote when she was

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bored. I wear her wedding ring to

this chamber every day up and

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occasionally it serves as a reminder

to generations paid fast -- of past.

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Christine Jardine.

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The tech firms YouTube and Google

could be called in front of MPs

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after claims they've failed

to honour a pledge to take

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down extremist videos.

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The companies told the Home Affairs

Committee in December that they'd

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remove content from illegal

far-right group National Action.

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But the chair of the committee,

raising a point of order

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in the Commons, told MPs the videos

were still widely

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available this week.

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Can you advise on the course of

action when a private company gives

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commitments and assurances to select

committees on issues that affect

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national security and public safety

and then fails to meet them? Mr

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Speaker, there is widely available

on YouTube this week, the band in

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illegal propaganda videos from the

extremist prescribed organisation

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national action that, despite the

fact that this video has been raised

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with YouTube and Google seven times

by a select committee over the last

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12 months. Despite the fact that

they have promised us that that

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video is illegal and will be taken

down and they had the technology to

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prevent that being put back up. Have

you had any indication the

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Government will look into this? And

do you share my immense concern that

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this was one of the richest

companies in the world and is

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failing to meet its basic

responsibility to tackle extremism

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and protect public safety in this

country?

Grateful for your point of

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order and I share her intense

concern on the matter. National

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Action is a despicable fascist

neo-Nazi organisation. And my

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understanding is that it has been

prescribed, by the Home Secretary.

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If they are having commitments may,

they must be honoured. It is open to

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committee but it should not be

necessary for the committee to

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demand as a matter of urgency the

appearance of representatives of one

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or more of those companies before it

to explain itself.

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The Home Secretary,

who was still in the chamber

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following her earlier statement

on Sergei Skripal stepped in.

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They are right to raise this issue.

National Action, as you rightly say,

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is a prescribed group, I prescribed

it myself. It is a terrorist

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organisation. The fact is that

Internet companies have made good

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progress in taking down the Aiesh

focused material. Now we hadn't --

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demonstrated they can take that with

our own system 94% of material that

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goes up from Daesh type

organisation. But we must see more

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focused in areas of extreme

right-wing groups like my right

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honourable lady hasn't raced. I hope

the lady and I can work together to

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make sure that we hold the more to

account.

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Amber Rudd.

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And that's it from me for now,

but do join me on BBC Parliament

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on Friday night at 11pm

for a round up of the week

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here at Westminster,

when, among other things,

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I'll be finding out why not

all petitions to MPs get debated

0:25:190:25:22

and whether they have any impact

when they do.

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But for now from me,

Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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