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Poking fun at the politicians - we speak to Ian Hislop about how


satire is engaging a whole new audience.


We've got a former Justice Secretary on fixing Scotland's alcohol


problem, and Amy Macdonald is with us live.


Shereen, you've been talking to West Wing actor, Andras Schiff.


A personal hero. Yes, a personal hero of mine -


the actor who played Toby Zeigler on how he made a Scottish


anti-Trump hashtag go global. I think in this case,


this adds a little fun to the fury. Adding fun to the fury


is what satire is all about. But on this side of the pond


there hasn't exactly been an oversupply of it


in the past few years - even through the Indyref,


the elections and the But the election of President Trump


has been generating a wealth of material -


clips from US comedy shows are being shared


by millions all over the world, and sales of the satirical magazine


Private Eye have been soaring. I caught up with its editor


Ian Hislop earlier and asked why the satire business should be


booming at the moment. I think we've been noticing it for


the last year, the lead up to the referendum, then the referendum and


the Trump presidential election. Suddenly people were A, gloomy, and


wanted something to laugh at and B, they wanted information. There was


so much confliction, news, spin, coming out, that they wanted


something to come out with people to say this is like this. So jokes,


journalism, that came our way, which was very, very good news. Ian,


you've been editing Private Eye for 30-odd years, is there enough satire


in the UK at the moment? I'm game for more but it comes in waves. In


certain times when people are happier, it must be said, they say


"leave him alone" early Blair year, they were saying, "do you want the


Tories back?" Leave him alone. So it is variable, the interest in satire.


But I think it is obviously a good response. It is healthy.


Is there a gap in the market? On television, we see programmes like


Saturday Night Live doing well in the United States is there room for


something new here? It is great that Saturday Night Live is doing well.


It has not been for ages, this is a resurgence for it. Saturday Night


Live becomes popular when people are unhappy. In settled times people


said "they would say that" so again it comes when it is needed. I'm sure


that there will be more on television in Britain, there will be


a response. My worry is that the age of satire has come after both major


decisions. It would have been nice to have been more effective earlier


and may be people would have agreed with us! When it comes to President


Trump, does the satire come easy? The thing with Trump, is that it is


easy to see what is funny. What is harder is to find out where he is


vulnerable. That is where the satire becomes effective. What does he


hate? Saturday Night Live have got under his skin. He is tweeting about


how it is unfunny. That is the best response for a satirist for someone


to say that this is pathetic, that is when you know you have gotten


through. What makes good satire? What are the key elements? Good


observation, telling people essentially, something new, a


different take on what they have watched, so that they go "yes,


that's right. He does make it up, he doesn't listen. He twists it towards


himself. He does breathtakingly say what he didn't say in the first half


of the sentence" all of the observations that make it resonate.


Is a situation ever too serious to satirise? Not really, no. World


politics is never a complete laugh, is it? I don't any anyone doing


satire in the Second World War, the First World War, the middle of the


Victorian period, right back to my favourite, who was juvenile, who


said "things are getting very serious, I better do satire" that


was 1 AD. It is an old form of response.


Do you have to be into politics to enjoy satire, or does good satire


draw people into the political debate? If it is done well, it


should make you engage in politics. You are thinking you don't


understand it or see what is happening, good satire, this will


sound Reidy but it will entertain and inform.


We wanted to find out why there's so little satire here.


Be warned - a now famous Scottish insult is up ahead.


Hi there. I didn't see you. I'm doing real journalism, because when


I am, hang on, I'm a real journalist, yes, what is what I am!


People ask, where is the satire in Scotland.


Why don't we have more in our country? America has it.


I've been told, that to cut back on the gum chewing, I am now limbing


myself to one slice a day. So I will enjoy my one and only and you can


just sit and watch! Other countries have jumped on the: Scotland is the


funniest nation on earth bandwagon. I ballooned Donald Trump. I rubbed


it on his head, the hair stood up. It is amazing it reacts to similarly


to real hair?! And this guy, Andras Schiff, a man promoted to the patron


saint of Scotland as we are excited to use a word every day, to describe


odows, that we use every day. I can use it all the day. Does it


make me a hero? Are we two torn faced to make fun of our own


politics? Don't ask me, I'm from Edinburgh! What's the biggest joke


in politics? Westminster! Every bit of satire is American.


What do you think of satire? Is it good? In life in general if you make


her smile, it makes her day. It wasn't that fun but I haven't


recorded it yet. Why is there a dirth of satire in Scotland? I think


we are scared. Not here at the BBC, of course, this is the home of fair


and unbiassed journalism but to say Scotland can be polarised in


politics, it is not exactly a shock. Either half, I'm not singling anyone


out. But remember, it is good to laugh at ourselves. Remember, it


could be a lot, lot worse... Doors opening. But seriously, I do have


bills to pay, so I could do with the work. If we called all just bring


back Scottish satire. What else do you want me to do? A final dance?


Oh, I work hard for the money! So hard for the money! Please, give me


a job. We'll get back to him.


And my chat with West Wing actor Richard Schiff will be a bit


Do you enjoy a drink? Kenny McAskill is one with who does but believes


that strong, cheap alcohol should be more expense sieve.


That buying booze shot not be a normal purchase, with separate


enalcohol only tills in the supermarkets. Good ideas or not?


Kenny McAskill has made a film to set out his case.


Many Scots like a drink. I do too. There is nothing wrong with that.


But I've had issues with it, I'm ashamed to say and I'm not the only


one it can come at a cost. Every year more than 1,000 Scots


lose their lives through alcohol abuse.


It costs ?3.6 billion in total in Scotland through its impact on the


NHS and crime. That's ?900 annually for each adult.


Money that ultimately has to come from taxes. It's not just


statistics, there is a personal cost. A friend of mine died recently


from alcohol abuse, he was two years younger than me that is why medics


and campaigners are saying that action must be taken.


We have about 22 lives lost a week in Scotland due to alcohol. These


are lives that are lost often in what you may call in the prime of


people's lives in the late 40s, 50, 60s. So it adds up to individual and


family Raj Dirks but we lose a lot of working lives lost through


alcohol. Ten years ago when I became the


justice sec tear, the serve secretary tried to set levels on


drinking. This would be Vice-President alas three-quarters


of drinking is done in the home, not in the pub. It would have ended the


absurdity that a bottle of cheap cider is less than a bottle of


water. Years on and the minimum price is not in force as it is


challenged by the Scotch Whisky Association. Yesterday studies show


that lives cowl be saved. So does this show that Scotch Whisky


Association is putting lives before health? It does not tally. Alcohol


problems are coming from a range of different options. There is no


relation between alcohol consumption and price. In Scotland a loot of


what is called harmful drinkers are in a higher income bracket.


The public's view on the minimum price varies? Does it matter the


price? They will buy the cheaper stuff. If they put up the price,


people who drink will still drink and forgo something else like food,


which I don't agree with. I suppose that they must try to control it.


Too much drinking but I don't drink that much anyway, so I don't have to


worry. There are other things that must be


done and alcohol legislation must shift to keep up with the changing


drinking patterns. Surely it is time for a separate till as we do for


tobacco? It should not be a normal purchase like buying a tin of beans


or a loaf of bread. I spoke to the groups that represent the main


supermarkets, what were their views? There are good and clear reasons for


the tobacco to be dealt differently. Alcohol is different. Moderate


alcohol consumption is reasonable, a glass of wine a day may not be


unhealthy. We must be careful to ensure that the measures to target


alcohol targets the problem users, rather than moderate shoppers. And


there are the malts and the beers and the jobs and the wealth it


brings to the country, alcohol is to be enjoyed but it needs to be


controlled and regulate #d and regulate whered it is most likely to


be bought. That was the view of Kenny McAskill.


Joining us now is Pennie Taylor. Before we move on, where are we now


with minimum pricing for alcohol? It was passed by the Scottish


Parliament in 2012, having received widespread cross-party support and


the support of the medical community, nurses, people in public


health it would be welcomed by them. But it is described as ground


breaking legislation, so clearly challenging for the alcohol


industry. They took it to the court session in Scotland. They took it to


a European Court and that's been referred now back to the Court of


Session in Edinburgh for a local decision to be made it is


anticipated, obviously, not to prove judge a decision but that it will


finally get through. What about Kenny McAskill's suggestion of


allowing alcohol to be sold at separate tills only? I think it is


very different from tobacco. There is no safe level of smoking. Yet 80%


of people who drink alcohol do so responsible. Is it a licensed drug?


You would be running a system to address 20%, stigmatising alcohol


use. Some of us like the odd glass of wine and don't overdo it, so why


stigmatise and punish those? Now, 57% of alcohol is bought in


supermarkets or in off-licences and you could argue that they are


separate tills, they are separate shops for buying alcohol.


The Scottish Government is reviewing the approach to alcohol, what can we


expect? There was a refresh of the 2009 alcohol strategy due last year.


It is not published. I'm told it will be this summer. I'm hoping it


keeps up with the awareness of the #45r78s of overdoing booze. We saw


last Christmas that drink driving levels were up again. There is a


growing body of evidence to show for instance that older people, rather


than young people, who you may think are at greater risk of drinking too


much it is the older people living in isolation that are perhaps at


more risk than anybody else. We must tackle that and creditly, there has


been budget cuts in terms of treatment services. That is an issue


that must be addressed and I hope that the strategy does that.


What is the one thing you think we would have the biggest impact on


reducing alcohol consumption? Alcohol's misuse is associated with


cancer. There is issue with sponsorship of shorts by alcohol it


is about not normalising heavy drinking.


Pennie Taylor thank you very much. And and on and on this, using the


hashtag. And minimum pricing, a range of views -- lets look at what


you have been saying on this. One here from the Scottington Poat.


In Sweden there is a state owned monopoly and you have to go to their


stories to buy booze -- Scottington Post.


Now, from your tweets to a trending hastag, Shereen.


Yes, earlier we mentioned Richard Schiff who


played presidential adviser Toby Ziegler in the West Wing.


He's been very vocal in his anti-Trump tweets and he's


made a now famous Scottish hashtag - which seems to have been


originated by Edinburgh man Thomas Hind - go global.


I had a chat with him before we came on air and asked him


how it all started - I should warn you, you'll hear


the insulting hashtag mentioned a few times!


quite by accident. Somebody sent me a video of Samantha B, who has a


very funny political show, a funny woman, you're in the States, showing


demonstrations in Scotland and people saying the words out loud.


And then I just went off on the word bawbag. I thought it was the


greatest word I had ever heard. And of course know that I know what it


means I clearly get the sound and with the word comes from. Someone, I


am guessing from Scotland, I don't know, said, how about we start a


hashtag, #PresidentBawbag? And I tweeted, let it be so. I am loving


that word in an American accident -- accent. How does it feel to be an


honorary Scot? I was honoured. I accept. I have been to Scotland, to


Loch Lomond, and forgive me if my pronunciation is not good. To


Edinburgh, and of course Saint Andrews. I went up there for the


Dunhill. You are a big golfer. Would you go to a Trump course? I would


not. I have also been aware of Mr Bawbag for a long time because I


grew up in New York. I would dismiss him as someone I did not want in


front of my face ever. He has a great golf course in New Jersey, the


Trump National, and I refuse to go. There are so many good golf courses


in Scotland. Why would I bother going to his? I am sure it was a


great golf course once, but it has now been spoiled. Do you think this


hashtag will be on his radar and you can get him to react? I don't know


but I know I have not been arrested yet, and I think that is in the


realm of possibility as long as he is in power. So he has not taken a


personal vendetta by using the National Guard yet, but, yes, I am


pretty sure it has been on his radar because he looks at everything and


is aware of everything, because that is what he does. I think it is a


little tough for tend to react without spreading it even more, and


I think this is one he does not want to draw any further than it already


has. Do you think you will keep it going? -- does not want it to grow


any more. I think it had its little Twitter burst of them and, you know,


I encourage people to use it. And all Scottish people on that side of


the political spectrum who are not only scared but furious, enraged, by


this man and his power grab, that we should use it because I think, I


actually think, you know, I stayed away from insults for a long time


because I don't tend to live my life insulting people, but I think in


this case it adds a little bit of fun to the fury and gathers people


together with some humour, and anyway we can unify worldwide to


send the message to our Congress, because those are the people that


will determine our future, that we are fed up and we are not going to


stop, anything we can do to do that, I am happy to chip in, you know, my


part, and if bawbag is the way to do it, or one way to help, then I am


all in. How do you bawbag? I will probably get into trouble for this.


Bawbag. I love hearing you say that. You make it sound like a beautiful




A beautiful word! How did you see it again? We are in enough trouble as


it is, I think we have said it enough.


One 17-year-old in Kilbarchan is a professional lego-animator,


making films from lego sets he builds in his bedroom.


Morgan Spence has got his exams in May, but while revising he's been


working on his animations for companies like the Red Cross


Let's take a look at some of his work.


How did you start animating in Lego? I had to do a report on World War II


at school and my class had to write an essay and I decided to do


something different, a short film, using a technique called stop motion


animation. A technique of taking hundreds of pictures and playing


them together at high speed, so I spent two weeks at home and got my


model planes into a Battle of Britain fate. Commissions for the


BBC and the Red Cross -- Battle of Britain fights. Jimmy


you can imagine for a 13-year-old boy who just started high school it


was a bit of a shock. Suddenly I was doing with professionals and working


through storyboards and script and then bringing to life what this P J


Dobbs in Lego. Do you work? I do my animation is right here in my


bedroom studio, bring them to life in the small studio tent behind me.


It is quite a small working environment, so I think it is quite


magical. That it is all coming from a tiny bedroom studio. What is


involved? It is a very manual process. For every one second of


film there are 15 pictures. A person, for example. I take my first


picture of them, move them a fractional amount, then another


picture and I repeat that process hundreds of times. What is next?


University applications, exams in May, so I will be focusing on that


in the meantime but I certainly hoping to pick up a few more


projects when I have the time. What a talent!


And tomorrow, singer-songwriter Amy Macdonald's fourth album -


With her guitarist Sam, and you have busy time, just back from Germany.


But what were you doing deep-fried Mars bar on German television? It


was really sweet. It comes from such a nice place, they are all such


lovely people, and they thought it would make me feel at home, having


obviously done an Internet search and thought that was something we


did regularly. And on Valentine's Day! Yes, so romantic. Little


cocktail umbrellas in the deep-fried Mars bars. Your back and will be


performing at the store tomorrow and the release of the new album. Was it


important to you to be here to do that? It is the first time actually


I have been at home the day my album comes out. With all of my previous


ones I was always somewhere else. The last one, I remember, I was in


Stockholm the day the album came out, so it is nice to be here and I


will be doing a show on Argyle Street at six o'clock tomorrow. And


you have a European tour lined up, travelling across the continent just


at the point where the UK is negotiating its way out of the


European Union. Does that matter to you? It is actually a question I


have been asking more than anything else travelling around Germany and


France and all the other countries I have been to. And it is really


interesting, being able to see both sides, because the way the media


tends to reported in Britain is that Angela Merkel and everyone and the


rest of Europe is sitting saying, we don't care, get them out, whatever.


But over there the people I actually speak to are really confused and


they say it is truly bizarre for them and they actually feel a bit


heart and they think, why does Britain hate us so much? -- they


feel a bit hurt. The way it is reported in Britain and the UK is


completely off the reality. You're a supporter of independence a couple


of years ago. How do you feel about it now? The main reason I supported


independence is because I wanted to have a vote that mattered. Ever


since I have been able to vote my vote has not made one difference in


the UK election. Would you like to do it again or not? I think the


circumstances have changed massively, yes. Thank you for coming


in. I know you will play us out so I will let you get organised for that.


Thank you very much. Stay in touch with us and let


us know what you think we should be talking about -


we're on social media. And you can find us online,


or you can email us. Shereen and I will be back next week


- same time, same place. In the meantime, here's


Amy Macdonald with Dream On. # Never gonna cast my anchor out


I'm a free spirit, torn in a way # I can't stay here for too long


I got to keep on moving on # Nothing fades as nothing changes


This old place is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world


and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world


and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world


and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world


and I won't look back # I was living for the weekend


And the drinks are on me # Skipping school and cutting out


I wish this world would let me be # Trying to catch a feeling


Trying to find myself # Cause this old place


is driving me crazy # I'm on top of the world


and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world


and I won't look back # I'm on top of the world


and I'm on the right track # I'm on top of the world


and I won't look back # The time to listen now


I cast my anchor down Every woman will go through it,


so why don't we talk about it more? His words were,


"You're far too young." Kirsty Wark finds out


the reality for some women... ..and looks at ways


we can help ourselves. I noticed a difference


almost within a week. The Insiders' Guide


to the Menopause. We really need to talk


about it more. (Whatever happens,


stay close to me.) MUSIC: Perfect


by Mason vs Princess Superstar # Four, three, two, one


One, two, three, whoo! # Let me hear you scream


if you want some more... # # Watch me work it


I'm perfect... # # I knew you were trouble


when you walked in