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Hello and Welcome to Tuesday In Parliament, | :00:17. | :00:17. | |
our look at the best of the day in the Commons and the Lords. | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
As MPs react once again to the terror attacks in Paris, David | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Cameron promises a "comprehdnsive strategy" to win parliament`ry | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
backing for military action again ISIS terrorists in Syria. | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
We do not protect the British people by sitting back, wishing thhngs were | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
different. We have to act to keep our people safe, and that is what | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
this government will always do. There's defiance within Labour's | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
ranks about the position taken Police need full and necess`ry | :00:48. | :00:58. | |
powers, including proportionate use of lethal force if need be, to keep | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
communities safe. What will happen if the doctors go | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
on strike? A stark warning from the | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
Health Secretary. Delaying a cancer clinic, mdaning | :01:06. | :01:13. | |
summary might get a later rhght noses than they should, del`ying a | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
hip operation, so that people are in pain, these things will be very hard | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
to avoid. But first, 24 hours after the Home | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
Secretary spoke solemnly in the Commons about the weekend atrocities | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
in France, the Prime Ministdr talked about some of the political | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
implications of the events hn Paris Since the mass killings on Friday | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
night, President Hollande of France said his country was "at war with | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
Isis" and he pledged to increase the numbers of airstrikes by Frdnch jets | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
against Isis targets in the terror group's base in Syria in thd area | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
of Raqqa. The aerial campaign by French | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
forces has since intensified. Britain has been engaged | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
in air strikes against Isis only in Iraq following | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
the approval given by MPs in 20 4. As he reported back on the latest | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
meeting of the G20 summit, David Cameron told MPs the Paris | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
attacks had strengthened thd case for tackling Isis, sometimes called | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
Isil, across the Syria-Iraq border. It operates across the borddr | :02:04. | :02:11. | |
in Syria. The border is meaningless | :02:12. | :02:26. | |
because as far as Isil is It is in Syria, and Iraq th`t Isil | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
has its headquarters and it is from there some of the main | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
threats against this countrx are Raqqa, if you like, | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
is the head of the snake. It is important | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
the whole House understands the There is no government in Sxria we | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
can work with, particularly not There are no rigorous policd | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
investigations or independent We have no military | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
on the ground to detain those In this situation we do not protect | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
the British people by sitting back We have to act to keep | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
our people safe and that is what We cannot expect, should not expect | :03:03. | :03:11. | |
others to carry the burden `nd the I recognise that there are | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
concerns in this House. What difference would action | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
by the UK really make? How does the recent Russian | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
action affect the situation? Above all, how would a decision by | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
Britain and Syria fit into a | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
strategy for dealing with Isil and a diplomatic strategy to | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
bring the war in Syria to an end? I understand these concerns and I | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
know they must be answered. I will respond personally to | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
the report of the I will set out | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
a strategy for dealing with Isil, our vision for | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
a more stable, peaceful Middle East. This strategy in my view should | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
include taking the action in Syria I I hope | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
in setting up the arguments in this way I can help build support right | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
across this House for the action I Jeremy Corbyn said he agreed | :04:11. | :04:24. | |
consensus was need in countdring Isil. | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
While we welcome the sensible measures to make more funding | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
available for our security services, to gather intelligence, expose and | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
prevent plots, can he confirm that these will be balanced with the need | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
to protect our civil liberthes, which were so hard-won | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
in this country and so stoutly defended by many of us? | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
They are part of what distinguishes us from many | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
Indeed regimes from which people are fleeing. | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
There are over 2 million Muslims living in Britain and they `re | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
as utterly appalled by the violence in Paris as anybody else. | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
We have seen in the past after atrocities like this, | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
there can be a backlash agahnst the Muslim and other communhties. | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, far right racism, | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
have no place whatsoever in our society, our thinking and I | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
hope there will be no incre`se in any of that intolerance as ` result | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
It is vital at a time of tr`gedy and outrage not to be drawn | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
into responses which would feed a cycle of violence and hatred. | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
President Obama has said th`t Isis grew out of our invasion of Iraq | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
and is one of its unintended consequences. | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
Jeremy Corbyn previously sahd he did not support a shoot to kill policy | :05:36. | :05:42. | |
by British police. An MP on his dentures disagreed. -- benches. | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
The Prime Minister is right the police and security service need | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
Should it not be immediatelx obvious to everybody, to everyone that the | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
police need the full and necessary powers, including the proportionate | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
use of lethal force if need be, to keep our communities safd? | :05:58. | :06:07. | |
Another Labour MP criticised those who said the atrocities in Paris | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
followed on from western actions in Iraq and Syria. | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
Does the Prime Minister agrde that the full responsibility for the | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
attacks in Paris lies solelx with the terrorists and that any attempt | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
by any organisation to somehow blame the West, or the French milhtary | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
intervention in Syria is not only wrong, disgraceful, | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
The response right across the House shows how right | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
It is worth remembering to those that somehow this is all | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
caused by Iraq, France did not take part in the Iraq war. | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
Can I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view | :06:45. | :07:03. | |
as always a reaction to what we in the West do? | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
Does he agree with me that such an approach risks infantilising | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
the terrorists and treating them as children, when the truth is that | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
they are adults entirely responsible for what they do? | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
Nobody forces them to kill hnnocent people in Paris or Beirut and | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to be abld to | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
understand the threat faced, let alone confront it and ultim`tely | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
It is that sort of moral and intellectual clarhty that | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
is necessary in dealing with terrorists. | :07:34. | :07:43. | |
There has been bombing by Rtssia, France, and many other countries. | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
Bombs have been dropped frol jets and missiles fired from nav`l | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
vessels. The US president h`s reiterated his opposition to | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
providing boots on the ground. Given the fact is, does the prime Minister | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
agree that intervention in Syria is an end to the Civil War and | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
supporting the Kurds on the ground? On Saturday, at a Parliamentary | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
group visit, I was with the Kurds in the Kurdistan region of Hraq in | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
the front line, south of Kirkuk Those Kurdish forces are br`ve, | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
putting their lives on the line every day, they did so in Shnjar, | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
along with the Syrian Kurds, but can we do more to provide the m`terial | :08:23. | :08:32. | |
support for the Peshmerga of Iraqi Kurdistan and also pending | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
a decision on whether we go into Syria, give more support from | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
the air to the Kurds in Irap now? We discussed yesterday with | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
President Obama and French, German and Italian leaders what more | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
we can do. Germany is doing a lot in that area, | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
we are doing a lot and there is more, certainlx, | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
we can do. One day after the Commons c`me back, | :08:51. | :08:58. | |
the House of Lords returned Peers also reflected | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
on the implications Remembering the baleful | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
effects that ensued when George Bush Junior used the word | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
"crusade" Gulf War, will the Minister agree | :09:13. | :09:13. | |
the language we choose to use at In this context, would she `gree | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
the use of the word "war" is at best unhelpful and perhaps even | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
unwise, given it will only reinforce Would that not also apply to the | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
Prime Minister's favourite phrase, In fact, we are fighting | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
for universal values which tnderpin all the great religions | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
and philosophies, including Islam. It is proper that we should be | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
engaged in trying to find a political solution to somd | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
of the problems in Syria. But we would be operating under | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
a delusion and deceiving the people of this country hf we | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
implied that even should a political solution with Assad, or | :10:04. | :10:12. | |
without him, be achieved tolorrow, It is part of a long-running | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
generational attempt to est`blish an Islamic-Fascist empire, other | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
people who will stop at nothing and therefore it is to the people of | :10:22. | :10:31. | |
this country to say that opposing Isil is somehow redundant | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
if we achieve a political solution. There are verses in the Kor`n | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
written for particular circumstances 50 | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
years ago, when the infant community They are words like, | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
"kill them wherever you find them." Now, they were written | :10:47. | :10:56. | |
for different circumstances, but they are being used today bx those | :10:57. | :11:06. | |
people who want to radicalise, disadvantaged youth in general to | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
move towards this extremism. The promised commitments to | :11:13. | :11:21. | |
shut down any educational institutions which are teaching | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
Islamist intolerance could I ask the lady to confirm | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
this policy will include all our mosques, where so much of the | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
poison is spread? My Lords, it will include any | :11:35. | :11:45. | |
establishment where this kind of extremism, non-violent | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
and violent is being pursued. The latest thoughts on the `trocity | :11:49. | :12:01. | |
in Paris. The government wants to rendgotiate | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
the terms of the UK's membership of the European Union ahead | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
of a referendum. That process has started | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
and MPs on the European Scrttiny Committee were keen to find out how | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
the government's demands ard being received by European politicians | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
and what say the UK parliamdnt was We are deeply concerned | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
about the level of engagement with the Government and Parliament | :12:20. | :12:27. | |
on the renegotiation so far and we agree with the concltsion of | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
a House of Lords committee that it The Minister | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
for Europe told us that Parliament would only be able to debatd, and I | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
quote, the final offer, at the Yet the Government has been obliged | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
to publish the Prime Minster's letter to Donald Tusk, | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
and make a statement in the House. As Foreign Secretary, how do you | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
intend to provide meaningful Parliamentary involvement in the | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
next stages of the renegoti`tion? Bits of the process are conducted | :12:56. | :13:17. | |
in the public domain. We will obviously make sure that | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
Parliament is informed first, where there are initiatives | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
which are UK initiatives. There will be other bits | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
which we have to do privately. We will keep Parliament upd`ted | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
on the process, but I would ask Parliament to understand thhs is | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
a negotiation and clearly wd cannot conduct a negotiation with `ll | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
of our cards turned face up for inspection by those people we | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
are negotiating with. What in your assessment would you | :13:36. | :13:45. | |
be the impact on Britain and other All the focus has been | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
on renegotiation but have you done any assessment | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
on what would happen if you left? I have already said I think | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
the impact on the entire European In the EU right now, having faced | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
this year now facing a crisis | :14:00. | :14:08. | |
of confidence around the Schengen agreement and how external ligration | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
is managed, the European Unhon is The exit of a major country, | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
the second largest economy in the European Union, | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
would have potentially very significant ramifications | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
for the European Union and for its A British exit would also h`ve | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
very significant impact on the UK. It would require us to undo decades | :14:31. | :14:46. | |
of thinking about how we drhve and power the UK economy, how | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
we ensure the standard of living for British peopld, how we | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
protect our national security. It would require a radical rethink | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
and I am sure, certainly in the short-term, it would have some | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
very negative impact on the UK. One key area is restricting access | :15:02. | :15:19. | |
to in work and out of work hn a fit to be you migrants. Ministers want | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
to stop those coming to the UK from claiming certain benefits until they | :15:24. | :15:24. | |
have been resident for four years. of into EU migrants are in receipt | :15:25. | :15:44. | |
of UK benefits. I would say it is a vibrant economy, increasing living | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
wage and lower tax in the ftture will be equally attractive but just | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
on the institute of the whole fact benefits, what is the view of other | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
member states last far and now the manse for this four-year rule? This | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
will be the most difficult hssue. All of the other areas, there are | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
people across Europe willing to engage with us, I'm not sayhng | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
everyone is positive about dvery aspect but there are people willing | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
to engage with as, people recognising the validity of the | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
concerns that we are raising, people coming up with ideas and suggestions | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
about how we might tackle them and very few issues of principld being | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
raised against, so is a pragmatic discussion. There are peopld rating | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
objections of principle agahnst what we are proposing in relation to | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
access to welfare benefits. You're watching our round up of the | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
day in the Commons and the Lords. Should the voting age be | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
lowered from 18 to 16? The Health Secretary has lahd | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
the blame for a proposed walkout by junior doctors squarely at the feet | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
of the British Medical Association. The BMA is balloting members for | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
three days of strike action which The dispute is over | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
a revised contract, which would reduce the numbdr | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
of hours classed as unsociable and Junior doctors are the backbone | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
of the NHS and it is highly regrettabld that | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
their union has let them down by refusing to negotiate a new contract | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
that will be better for doctors safer for patients and the truly | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
seven-day services we all w`nt. The person who has let | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
the junior doctors down is none Does he recognise how insulting it | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
is to those doctors to implx first of all that they are not already | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
working seven days and cruchally will he listen to the professionals, | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
both the junior doctors and their senior counterparts who support | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
them, and drop his threat of imposing the contract | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
so meaningful talks can takd place? What exactly would she say to her | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
constituents who are not getting the standard of care they need to get | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
seven days a week and is shd going to stand side-by-side with them or | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
with a union that has misrepresented We have been very clear, | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
there are no preconditions to any talks except that, if we fahl to | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
make progress on the crucial issue of seven-day reform, then | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
of course we reserve the right to I am deeply concerned about the | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
impact on patient care of the three days of proposed industrial action | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
including two days of full walk out. Would the Secretary | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
of State set out what advanced preperations are taking place to | :18:32. | :18:33. | |
ensure patient safety and also could he reassure the House that there are | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
no preconditions that can act as barriers that | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
the BMA have to agree to We are willing to talk | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
about absolutely everything and I would say how strongly I agree with | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
her that it is going to be a very difficult to avoid h`rm to | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
patients during these three days Something like delaying a c`ncer | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
clinic which might mean somdone gets a later diagnosis, delaying a hip | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
operation when someone is in a great deal of pain, these are things that | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
will be very hard to avoid `n impact on patients and I would urgd the BMA | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
to listen to the royal colldges Now, in 1970, it came down | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
from 21 to 18. Plenty of people were shockdd | :19:12. | :19:19. | |
at the idea of giving the rhght to 45 years on, the same argumdnts are | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
being made, this time over whether the voting age should fall | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
by another two years to 16. In the Scottish independencd | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
referendum, young people agdd 1 and 17 were allowed to vote | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
and played a large part in one reason why | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
the Lords recently backed the idea of 16 and 17-year-olds being given | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
the vote for local elections. So the issue came back to | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
the Commons. I think it is undeniable th`t there | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
is a debate There are views on both sidds | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
of the argument. It is the view | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
of nearly all honourable melbers that we would like to see greater | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
participation and involvement Whether this is the right w`y | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
of going about it, I think that is rather less clearly | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
agreed across the House and indeed it is an area in which I | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
have serious reservations. The 16-year-olds that I know and | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
speak to are keen on the idda of greater political involvement and, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
we keep going back to the Scottish referendum, but it was amazhng to | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
see so many young people taking part It was a once-in-a-lifetime | :20:25. | :20:32. | |
opportunity for them. It was something that was | :20:33. | :20:41. | |
going to affect them. I do feel that we have 16-ydar-olds | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
who are engaged in the political process and yet we | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
deliberately exclude them from it. My election campaign, | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
I spoke to hundreds of young people that not only were enthused by the | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
political process but also `ctively Does she agree with me that it's | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
an absolute myth that young people are not interested in polithcs, | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
not capable of holding publhc office and not capable of voting | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
and does she agree with me that .. The leader of the Scottish | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
Conservatives Ruth Davidson has said, I am happy to hold my hands | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
up and say I've changed my lind I'm a fully paid-up member | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
of the votes for 16 club now I thought some of the 16 | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
and 17-year-olds were fantastic I cannot tell you the number of | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
hustings and public meetings I went to and some younger members of the | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
audience were the most informed That tells you everything | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
about how young people ought to be engaged and why they need to be | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
engaged in this way. Ruth Davidson has changed hdr view | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
on votes for 16 but she comds to the conclusion that it ought to be | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
done for all elections I think it does a disservicd to this | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
important reform not to givd it Would the honourable member accept | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
that, in the absence of any other bill or strategy or | :22:07. | :22:16. | |
proposal for bringing about votes at 16 and 17, that this is the best we | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
can do in the meantime and we should I do think we run a risk | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
of creating a patchwork and I don't feel particularly | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
comfortable that 16-year-olds in one part of the country can do | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
something that 16-year-olds in other I'm not comfortable with | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
the inconsistency there. I would prefer us to take this | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
debate in the round and, as I say, And, at the end of that deb`te, | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
MPs voted to reject the verdict of the Lords, keeping the voting age at | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
18 in all elections for the moment. Questions continue to be asked | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
in Parliament about the collapse Set up to help deprived youngsters | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
in Britain's inner-cities, Kids Company, together with | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
its distinctive founder Camhla Batmanghelidjh, initially enjoyed | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
much favourable support frol the But it folded in the summer | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
amid a row about funding. When a former Deputy Childrdn's | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
Commissioner came before a committee of MPs, she was asked for hdr views | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
of how Camila Batmanghelidjh had run My perspective was | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
and the impression I came away with was that she was very much | :23:29. | :23:37. | |
in control of what went on. The ethos, the way in | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
which things were run, the general It was very much my view th`t this | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
was an organisation with Maybe you should have gone to | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
the government and said, thdre is It didn't occur to me at thd time, | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
it occurred to me subsequent to that, and I thought about why it | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
didn't occur to me at the thme and I go back to the issue that w`s raised | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
about, in a sense, the powerful alliances that the Chief Exdcutive | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
of Kids Company had and, I'l a fairly robust and resilient person | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
and I was in a prominent position, and I acknowledge that, even for me, | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
it would have been very challenging to have gone to Number 10 and said, | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
I am concerned, because to take a stand against somebody who was | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
constantly telling you about celebrities or relationships | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
with people in the very highest Not in her presence, | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
I'm fairly robust, but in tdrms Yes, | :24:55. | :25:06. | |
it gave me great pause for thought. My concern was that | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
the money was not being well spent but I was acutely aware that she | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
occupied a very powerful position and it would be difficult to make | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
those kinds of representations. Quite frankly, | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
I don't think my voice would have Until then, from me, | :25:32. | :25:39. | |
Keith Macdougall, goodbye. | :25:40. | :25:43. |