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Hello and welcome to the programme, coming up in the next half hour...

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ask what the government is doing to combat

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street drugs, described as

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In the Commons there is concern over the

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future of the high Street Post Office.

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And there is a call for a cap on charges for unauthorised

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There is a bitter irony that it is a better deal for some people who need

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short-term credit to go to a payday lender than to their High Street

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bank. But first, the use of synthetic

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cannabis, known as Spice, is reaching epidemic levels

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according to a Labour MP. One homeless charity has claimed 95%

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of Manchester's homeless are now taking the drug which appears

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to freeze those who smoke it, While simulating the effect

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on the brain of cannabis, its chemical make-up is different

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and its side-effects Some experts say it can be up

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to 100 times as potent Later the Justice Secretary

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was asked about another synthetic As the Minister will be aware,

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the use of Spice and its impact on our communities is now

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reaching epidemic levels. It is particularly hitting city

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centres like Manchester and other towns and cities across the country,

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what discussions is the Minister having with colleagues in other

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departments to get a proper handle and a crackdown on this issue,

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because it is putting intolerable The honourable member makes

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a very important point. It is a blight on our communities,

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but also in our prisons, it fuels the disorder and violence

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that we have seen in our prisons where they take it extremely

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seriously and I worked with my colleagues in

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the Home Office to not only deal with this in the custodial system

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but also in the community. Banning psychoactive

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substances is one thing, but physically keeping them out

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of our prisons is quite another, could the minister tell the House

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what active measures he is taking to prevent the substances

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getting inside our jails? He is absolutely right,

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we are determined to keep these drugs out of our jails

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and that is why we have approved 300 dogs that detect these substances

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but we have also introduced new drug tests for psychoactive substances,

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the UK is the first jurisdiction The testing has been rolled out

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and we cannot comment on the impact yet because it started just last

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year but we know from evidence that drug testing does have a deterrent

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effect on use and possession. Wrexham like many other towns up

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and down the country is being blighted by the impact

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of so-called Spice. I have received a letter this month

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from the Home Office which directly contradicted a letter

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from the Minister on the question of whether possession

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of Spice was an offence. This confusion is causing real

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problems in enforcement by police officers who have already

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had their numbers cut Will the Minister take this

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more seriously and act urgently to confront this

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really serious problem? I agree with the honourable

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gentleman that it is a serious problem and it is also a problem

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that as I have said before, in our prisons, possession of Spice

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in a custodial setting is an offence and is subject to imprisonment

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and I will look in more detail, if he could forward to me the letter

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from the Home Office Mr Speaker, could I say how much

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I welcome the 2016 act, having lost two young men

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to what used to be And that the extra powers it

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provides and the rigorous application of law to rapidly

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changing chemicals, What is the big game plan

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for the post office? The post office announced

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earlier this year that 37 Crown offices, large branches found

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on the high street, are to be closed MPs are worried that a vital public

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services is shrinking at a time when it could be cashing

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in on its trusted name Where exactly is the Post Office

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going? Book is everything the Post Office has done and the statistics I

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have mentioned in terms of making it efficient and in terms of losses and

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perhaps extending some hours, are all based on retrenchment. It is all

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based on a policy that sees the Post Office is getting smaller and

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offering fewer services to its customers.

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He said financial services ought to be a money spinner

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Why is the Post Office not making more of banking and financial

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services in particular, giving that they are trusted name, a presence on

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the High Street at a time when conventional banks are disappearing

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from the High Street? It is a great mystery, Sarah Bird, as to why the

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Post Office is not at this time expanding, becoming more profitable,

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better for the taxpayer and for their customers, rather than

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following a long-term strategy which appears to be based on retrenchment

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and shrinking. A Labour MP explained

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how a post-office in his constituency

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was first threatened

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with closure in 2013. I found no one who wanted to see the

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Post Office close. Then came the welcome news and it was indeed

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welcome, it said that the Post Office had changed its mind. Instead

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of closure, it had been decided to retain and invest in the local Post

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Office and it was part, listen to these words, part of building a

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modern, profitable and sustainable network. Joy does not last long with

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the Post Office management. And under the latest closures, it is due

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to face the axe. It is almost trite to say that post offices and sub

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post offices in particular are central to the life of so many of

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our small rural and village communities, but that is very much

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the case and indeed, as we now see the withdrawal of other services

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such as the cleaning banks from small communities, that is an

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important that will only grow. Maintaining a vibrant and vital

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network of sub post offices across our smaller and more rural

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communities is therefore more now important that I has ever been.

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Sheryll Murray talked about the situation in Lostwithiel in

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The Post Office opens for two days a week and sadly the announcement was

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made on social media for political gain, but for the consultation with

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the local community. But it is welcome, however, this town is due

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to lose its permanent bank and it is having a mobile banking service for

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two sessions a week and there is no bus service and I am asking the

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minister today, I am pleading with the Minister today, to do everything

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she possibly can to make sure that my constituents, in this town, that

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is the rest of vital public services, can actually have a

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permanent Post Office again. An SNP MP said there was a campaign

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to stop a post-office The locals are feeling very strongly

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about this and I have a petition here with 640 signatures and I have

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another 500 signatures from online and I will be presenting this

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position -- Michael petition today. This is a Post Office at the heart

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of the local community. Its removal will be devastating for the area of

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Drumchapel. Instead of making the Post Office fit for purpose for the

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21st century, this government has let the Post Office fall by the

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wayside and has only contributed to manage decline of this well loved

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and trusted institution. The minister said the post-office

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network had been transformed with a And the subsidy that the taxpayers

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have been obliged to put in during this period has fallen by 60% since

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2012 and that is why it is more stable than it has been in a

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generation and the Post Office has managed this transformation while

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achieving customer satisfaction levels that have remained at over

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95% throughout this programme. And she said the Crown

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post offices had to be made more efficient

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and affordable. We are just not closing Branson is,

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we are franchising them, making them more efficient and we are able then

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to fulfil our promise to areas that need a post-service that would not

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have won if we were to continue to invest in loss-making Crown Post

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Offices. You're watching Tuesday in

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Parliament with me, Alicia McCarthy. There are nearly four

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and a half million refugees MPs on the International Development

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Committee heard sometimes distressing evidence

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about their plight. First, there was an insight

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into life in a refugee camp in Kenya, as told

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by a Somali refugee. Growing up there was very difficult

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because there was no way out and I had no access to employment,

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no freedom of movement. And there was education,

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some sense of security, but there was nothing beyond that

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because life is more than safety. Life is about dignity,

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life is about freedom of movement and I could not go out

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and there was no way. All I knew was about

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the international organisations So should people in refugee camps

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in Kenya go home to Somalia? We are at the moment

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strongly encouraging people in Kenya to go to Somalia

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which is a double edged sword. It is convenient politically to do

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so but we need to ask ourselves morally if that is the right thing

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to do and pragmatically if it is just going to make

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the problem more complex where we have a situation

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where people go to Somalia, realise there is no sustainable

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future, realise there is no livelihood, there is no dignity

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there at all and then return. But unfortunately returning refugees

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no longer have prima facie refugee status if they are Somali in Kenya

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which means they have to begin again the process of seeking asylum,

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which means they don't have access to food distribution

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and services that they had What we need to do is be

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building in these kind Let us not assume that Somalis

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will be able to go back to Somalia in the next year,

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maybe not in the next five years But to keep it open as what has

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basically been a permanent emergency is only going to be inefficient

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for everyone in the I think just to return to the point

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that if we can figure out those coping mechanisms that refugees

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in the host communities actually have and are putting into practice

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on a day-to-day basis, we will probably find

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a lot of the answers Another question was about

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the effects of President Trump's temporary suspension

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of refugee admissions. It is one of the most successful

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examples of large-scale settlement and in fact I have spoken

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to councils and others here in the UK around what we can

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learn there and we now work with the German government

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in partnership to bring some of the lessons

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of the US context there. So President Trump's announcement

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to cut numbers so dramatically is really a blow for that

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21.3 million refugee population, only a fraction of whom qualify

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for resettlement and indeed only a small fraction get to go and that

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fraction has got even smaller. What I would say is that

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when you set that against the contributions of other

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countries, it is time for Europe to step up and particularly

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the United Kingdom as a global humanitarian leader,

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but also as a global It is an opportunity

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waiting for UK leadership, so we hope they will take up

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the commitment to our target MPs wanted to know if the current

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crises were preventable. Our analysis is that these crises

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are primarily driven by conflict and that really they are then

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compounded by drought and poverty, but the key driver is conflict

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which means that they are man-made Particularly I think

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that issue about early warning and early action,

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we know that a lot of the analysis after the 2011 drought said that

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if we want to prevent this happening again, we need to have sustained

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investment over a period of time And yet the response plans

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were underfunded between 2011 and 2016 and part of the reason

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for the crisis now is we did not have as much early action

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as we could have done. The key thing we are finding

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is that the needs continue to outpace us in terms

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of our ability to respond and it's particularly a problem this time

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around because the rainy season which we have been waiting for now

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obviously is too late to impact the people in the current situation,

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but if it comes now and if it comes in a very heavy quantity,

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you have a real risk of an outbreak of diseases, particularly diarrhoea,

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cholera, because you have a lot of animals, dead animals,

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and they have the risk of being drawn into the water

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courses and with people now with the displacement moving

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into confined areas you have got very strong risks of an outbreak

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of disease, but equally if the rains don't come you have also got

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problems for the crops A Labour MP says some banks

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are charging more for overdrafts than payday lenders and should face

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a cap on their charges. Rachel Reeves argued that

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a voluntary limit set by banks was not working,

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and that they needed "improve their behaviour"

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and protect vulnerable customers. The first case is of a 42-year-old

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man who will wrap up overdraft charges after losing his job.

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Interest on his overdraft meant that on average ?80 a month was added to

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his debt. Over a year his overdraft debt increased by more than ?1000

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because of interest and unauthorised overdraft charges. The problem is

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not that there is not a voluntary cap, the problem is we need a lower

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cap set by the regulators and not by the banks. The monthly maximum

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charge as proposed by the competition and market authority

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will do nothing to stop the deepening of a person's debt crisis.

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Banks should be passing on the low rates to their customers, not

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punishing them. Heavily unauthorised overdraft users are the least likely

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to switch accounts. Given the substantial revenues by these

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unauthorised overdraft, there is little incentive for the banks to

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lower their charges. I do not want to deny the banks to charge for

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services provided, but I am calling for fairness and proportionality.

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There are no great offer is amongst the high street banks for

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financially honourable customers. The exact opposite is the case. Most

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of us regard banks as more reputable and fair than payday lenders, so it

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is a bitter irony that it is a better deal for some people to go to

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a payday lender than to go to their high-street bank. Banks need to

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improve their behaviour and I urge them to step in and to help their

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them to step in and to help their customers.

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Well Rachel Reeves won the right to take her bill forward,

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but with this parliament coming to an end this week,

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MPs have approved a slimmed-down Budget to ensure tax and spending

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measures are in place before Parliament dissolves

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Some tax avoidance proposals announced by Chancellor Philip

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Hammond in March were among the policies taken out

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But moves to introduce a sugar tax on soft drinks with the most added

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In the final stage of the debate the Treasury said proposals

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to tackle tax avoidance would be brought forward after the election,

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but the shortened bill still tackled three government priorities.

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Firstly, the measures in this bill take further action to reduce

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the deficit and secure the nation's public finances, and it raises much

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needed revenue to fund the public services we all value.

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Secondly, this Bill takes the next steps to achieve this government's

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aim of a fairer and more sustainable tax system.

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It makes clear that the tax system will keep pace with the different

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ways that people choose to work, and ensure fair treatment

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And finally, Madam Deputy Speaker, and a cause particularly close

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to my heart as a former Public Health Minister,

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this Bill marks an important step in tackling childhood obesity,

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by legislating for the soft drinks industry levy, something on which,

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as I have noted before, we have achieved a great deal

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This will help to deliver a brighter and healthier

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I am delighted that we were able to bring it to the statute book.

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Labour welcomed the soft drinks levy and where the money would go.

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A primary school and PE sport premium of ?160 million,

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going up to 320 million, annually, ?10 million extra

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for breakfast clubs, expansion, and of course that 56% of the public

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support the levy, and the Obesity Alliance found that the levy

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could potentially save up to 144,000 adults and children from obesity

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and prevent 19,000 cases of type two diabetes and avoid

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The SNP turned to what had not been in the bill.

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What we are looking at is, whatever government comes in having

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having a new budget and having a new Finance Bill,

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and we have not seen from this government any recognition,

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barely a year on from the Brexit referendum, we are nearly a year

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on from that and we have not seen, in any discussion finances

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an acceptance from the UK Government about the effects

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that this is going to have on the UK Government's budget, on the tax take

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and on the employment levels and on the jobs that

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our constituents have, on the businesses coming in,

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We have not seen any recognition at any reading, as I say,

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I hope that when this Parliament comes back into a new session

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of a new government that we can see the government recognising

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the financial impact that Brexit all have and we can see them

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the financial impact that Brexit will have and we can see them

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recognising the impact that this will have on household

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And that we will see real changes and real recognition from this

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government taking into account the effects of Brexit.

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And the finance bill was just one of the last few bills

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that the government was trying to get through Parliament

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Down the corridor the Lords too were dealing with their final

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to the neighbourhood planning bill which will make it harder to turn

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pubs in England into flats or supermarkets.

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The House of Lords made the amendment initially

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and ministers accepted the argument and said action would be taken

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But the campaign for real ale have welcomed our approach. Noble Lords

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will be keen to see regulation as soon as possible in order to prevent

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any further loss of pubs without local consideration. I can commit to

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the House today that we will raise secondary regulation immediately

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after Royal assent to come into force at the end of May.

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A move welcomed by Labour's Lord Kennedy who had

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pressed for the change said he was delighted

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and highlighted his "personal" interest.

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I like pubs, I like a pint as the noble lord said, like him I should

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have bought a few shares in the odd pub or brewery. I have spent enough

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money in them over the years. I have spent enough money

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in them over the years. education bill and the buses bill

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also completed their passage Britons who have lived abroad

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for more than 15 years will not be allowed to vote

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in the June General Election, the Government has confirmed,

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to protests in the Lords. Cabinet Office spokesman Lord Young

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of Cookham said legislation scrapping the 15-year rule would not

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be introduced before the poll. I understand the disappointment for

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those affected, however it is my hope this is something that will be

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delivered in the next parliament so those who have lived abroad for more

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than 15 years are able to participate in future elections. I

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thank the Minister for his reply, but I do not think hundreds of

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thousands of disenfranchised British expats would thank him. The

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government has been in place for two years, why has it not fulfilled its

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promise in its 2015 manifesto to give votes for life for these

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people? Is it not because the government is afraid of how they

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might vote given that the government has ruined the lives of many of them

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who lived in other parts of the EU by choosing a hard Brexit? My Lords,

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when members of parliament voted overwhelmingly, including Liberal

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Democrat members of parliament last week that there's Parliament should

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come to a premature close, it was inevitable that certain measures

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would not be introduced in this Parliament. However, I hope if it is

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introduced in the next Parliament it will have the full support of the

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Liberal Democrats in view of the interest the noble lady has just

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interest the noble lady has just shown.

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Parliament's newest MP made her maiden speech just two days

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before it is expected to be dissolved for

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Trudy Harrison took the seat of Copeland for the

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Conservatives in a by-election at the end of February.

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The constituency had been held by Labour's Jamie Reid who stood down

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to take a job in the nuclear industry.

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As is the tradition she praised the beauty of her

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constituency and in thanking those who had helped her get elected she

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I cannot give my maiden speech without thanking and acknowledging

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that I wouldn't be standing in this house today if it were not

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for the fantastic and unwavering support of my family,

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My husband Keith, my parents, brother and daughters, Gabriel,

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They have been incredible towers of strength.

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From the moment I decided to stand they were there with me,

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campaigning, delivering leaflets and knocking on doors.

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Why girls had become quite the persuasive activists.

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It has been wonderful to see their interest in politics grow.

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Having four teenage daughters aged 14, 15, 17 and 18 I was also

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Equalling the balance between all of history's women

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members and the current number of male members.

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Meanwhile Labour MP who is standing down at the election said goodbye to

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the chamber saying it had been a privilege to be an MP.

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I would like to say a huge thank you to all those who have

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serve for 30 years for the wonderful constituency

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of Oxford East, my family and friends, my neighbours

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in Blackburn, our party members and supporters,

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my trade union USDAW, my office staff and party organisers

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across the years and most of all my constituents.

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And that's it from me for now but do join me at the same time tomorrow

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for the last prime minister's questions before

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