11/07/2017 Tuesday in Parliament


11/07/2017

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Hello there, and welcome to the programme.

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The Health Minister confirms there's to be an inquiry

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Nearly 2,500 people are thought to have died after being given

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products that were infected with hepatitis C or HIV.

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A Government-commissioned report on employment says

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all work in the UK should be "fair and decent".

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And David Davis says there's unity at the top when it comes to Brexit.

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You will find in terms of public statements, it is very hard to put a

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cigarette paper between the Chancellor and myself.

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But first - Theresa May has ordered a UK wide enquiry into the use

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of contaminated blood products in the NHS, stemming from the 1970s.

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2,400 people have died as a result of the scandal.

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Many of them were haemophiliacs who died from hepatitis C

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It has been called the worst treatment disaster in

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Many of those affected and their families say they were not

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told of the risks involved and believe there was a cover-up.

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In an emergency debate, the Labour MP Diana Johnson,

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who has campaigned for an enquiry, said the victims needed answers.

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They deserve to be told what went wrong, why it went wrong, and who is

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responsible for what happened. The story of the injustice they have

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suffered also needs to be set out and told to the wider public. Their

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voices need to be heard. Apologies, compensation and other forms of

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support are essential, but if their right to answers is not also

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satisfied, I feel that they will be denied true and meaningful justice.

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She said successive governments of all colours had sidestepped

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She turned to the questions that needed to be answered,

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such as why the Government had not acted sooner.

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Because the UK was not self-sufficient in blood supplies,

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profit-making American companies played a considerable role in

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supplying factor concentrates to haemophilia patients. This plot was

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sourced from much riskier patients, including prison inmates, who were

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much more likely to have infections and had a financial incentive to be

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less than honest about the risks of infection. The dangers of American

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products were being discussed in public, not from the 1990s, nor the

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1980s, but from 1970. A Conservative turned his fire

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on one of the five charities set up In my experience, I have to say to

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the minister, the McFarland trust has done anything but help my

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constituent. They have behaved in an utterly despicable way. They refused

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to take meetings with my constituent or with me. I have requested

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meetings for the past six years. And they always come back with a reason

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why they can't have a meeting. They have bullied my constituent. The

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trustees of the McFarland have bullied her. And they have fed her

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scraps. Labour called for a

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Hillsborough-style enquiry The previous two enquiries have not

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been sufficient in seeking justice and this is the reason why a

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Hillsborough style enquiry must be actioned and secondly the evidence

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presented so far is clear that if we are to have the truth and

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reconciliation of the murky covering up of this scandal, then the

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strongest of daylight must be shone on every aspect of this scandal,

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leaving no stone unturned. I am pleased to be able to confirm to the

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house that the Government intends to call an enquiry into the events that

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led to so many people being infected with HIV and - or hepatitis C

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through NHS supplied blood and blood products. We have heard already

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today that there have been calls for an enquiry based on the model that

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was used to investigate the Hillsborough tragedy, a so-called

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Hillsborough style panel. This will allow for a sensitive investigation

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of the issues, allowing those affected and their families close

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personal engagement with an independent and trusted panel. There

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have also been suggestions that only a formal statutory enquiry, led by a

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senior judge, under the enquiries act 2005, will provide the answer is

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that those affected want. The Government can see that there are

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merits in both approaches. And to ensure that whatever is established

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is in the interest of those affected, we will engage with the

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affected groups and interested parties, including the all-party

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parliamentary group, before taking a final decision on the type of

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enquiry. Will he confirm that in terms of drawing up the scope of the

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enquiry, you will be careful not to do anything that would endanger any

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future trials and also will he also further emphasise that anyone with

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information must make sure it is made available to the police? My

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honourable friend will recollect from the recent Hillsborough enquiry

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that it gave rise to certain information which was made available

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to the police, which led to certain charges being made. We would

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envisage that any enquiry that is established would have the ability

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to do the same thing if that is appropriate.

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An MP who was a former surgeon turned to one of the former reports.

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She wondered why there had not already been a public enquiry.

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I remember a criticism in response to Penrose in 2015, saying they were

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surprised that clinicians showed so much trust in the quality of blurbs.

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But a clinician was using hundreds of drugs and implants and machines

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and blood products must be able to trust them. We have no mechanism

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personally to check them. That is the role of Government and all the

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agencies of Government. That is why we have licensing and inspections

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and why when there is suspicion of harm action must be taken.

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Theresa May has said flexible working practices

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should not be an excuse to exploit employees.

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But she also called flexibility "the British way" -

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The Prime Minister was responding to a report on modern working practices

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The author, Matthew Taylor, recommended sick and holiday pay

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for workers in the gig economy and a new employment status

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When the report was debated in the Commons, opposition MPs

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Labour said that after seven years in power, the Conservatives had done

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They have inflicted hardship on public sector workers with a pay

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which has been confirmed yesterday by the Department for Education for

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yet another year. They promised workers on board, but rolled back

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scared when powerful interests said they were not particularly keen on

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the idea, and they have introduced employment tribunal fees, which has

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made it much harder for workers to enforce their rights. So today, with

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the publication of the Taylor review, although there was a real

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opportunity to overhaul the existing employment system in a way that

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would protect workers in a rapidly changing world of work, but in the

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words of the general secretary of Unite, the biggest union in the UK,

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instead of the serious programme the country urgently needs to ensure

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that once again work pays in this country we got a depressing sense

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that insecurity is the inevitable new normal.

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The Minister said the Government would be considering

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He does criticise Government's record and so I would like to remind

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her that it is this Government that has introduced the National Living

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Wage, that it is this Government that has presided over the minimum

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wage being at its highest rate in real terms since it was introduced,

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and the facts remain that the wage increase we have seen in the last

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year have been at their highest amongst the lowest paid thanks to

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the National Living Wage. Today's response in the Taylor review for

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the Government tells us everything we need to know about their frailty

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and their approach to work's rights. A weak set of proposals that

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probably will not be admitted that the set of talking bout that leads

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the power with the businesses. It was interesting that the Prime

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Minister did not mention the role of the trade unions in securing fair

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rights at work. If the news reports are right, Matthew Taylor goes for

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flexibility rather than always implementing the National Minimum

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Wage. Can we have an undertaking from the Government that they will

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always abide by the National Minimum Wage, even if there is a loss of

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flexibility? I congratulate the honourable gentleman for all the

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work he did sharing the work and pensions Select Committee in the

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last parliament. And I can assure him that minimum wage rates are

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absolutely sacrosanct. There will be no trade-off with regard to ensuring

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that everybody is paid at least the minimum wage.

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One MP - a former actor - is a fan of flexible working.

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I have spent 45 years in the deep economy and what I liked about the

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Digital economy is that it was very flexible and in order to big build a

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career, I found myself delivering bacon across north London from

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Smithfield market. I became a removal man and many things. But

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does my Right Honourable friend agree with me that it is very

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welcome that this report supports a flexible labour market and is not in

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favour of restricting that flexibility were individuals wanted?

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Someone who has done a few gigs in his time. Can I urge the Minister to

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reject this think tank the jargon of the phrase depended contact? Work is

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work. Workers are workers. Depending contractors of the world unite, you

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have nothing to lose but your chains is not going to change anything.

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The Speaker explained to new MPs that when Mr Brennan mentioned gigs,

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he was talking about his involvement in Parliament's rock band.

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You're watching Tuesday in Parliament,

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The Foreign Secretary has told MPs the European Union can "go whistle"

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for any "extortionate" final payment from the UK on Brexit.

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And Boris Johnson said that the Government had "no plan"

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for what to do in the event of no deal being agreed.

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The Prime Minister has said that "no deal is better than a bad deal".

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However, Number Ten has played down suggestions that Theresa May

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could walk away from the Brexit talks over the EU's demand

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for a settlement worth tens of billions of pounds.

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The subject was raised with the Foreign Secretary

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Since we joined the Common Market on the 1st of February 1973

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until the date we leave, we will have given the EU and

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its predecessors, in today's money, in real terms,

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Will the Foreign Secretary make it clear to the EU that

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if they want a penny piece more, they can go whistle?

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I'm sure that my honourable friend's words will have broken

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like a thunder clap over Brussels and they will pay attention

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to what he has said, and he makes a very valid point,

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and I think that the sums that I have seen that they propose

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to demand from this country seem to me to be extortionate and I think

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"Go whistle" is an entirely appropriate expression.

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In March, the Foreign Secretary said that

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leaving the EU with no deal would be perfectly OK.

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However, last month, the Chancellor of the Exchequer

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said that that would be a very, very bad outcome for Britain.

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Since the two positions are clearly completely contradictory,

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who should the British public believe?

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I think what the British public can take from both the Chancellor

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and myself and indeed from the vast majority of Labour members opposite,

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as I understand their position, that we all want to get on and do

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the deal and do the best deal possible and to leave the EU.

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With the Chancellor and the First Secretary of State,

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they were going to need at least a transitional period of three years

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during which we will remain under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

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Neither the Chancellor nor the First Secretary of State

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Other European leaders were making it clear that they would not

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accept a deal on any terms and does he share my view that what is sauce

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for the goose is sauce for the gander?

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He makes a very good point about the negotiating stance of

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our friends and partners across the Channel.

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They do sound at the moment as though they're pretty hard over,

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But I have no doubt that in the fullness of time, a subtle

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mist will descend and a willingness to compromise, because after all,

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a great Brexit deal, a great free trade deal, a deep and special

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partnership is in the interest of both sides of the Channel.

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Can he explain what that no deal option

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would mean for the people and businesses of Great Britain?

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As I have said before, I think that the chances

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of such an outcome are vanishing and unlikely since it is

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manifestly in the interest of both sides of the Channel to get a great

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free trade deal and a new deep and special partnership between us

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and the European Union, and that is what we

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I thank the Foreign Secretary for that answer,

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but unfortunately it leaves us none the wiser.

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After all, it is the Prime Minister, at least the Prime Minister for now,

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who decided to put the deal of the no deal option

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couldn't stop using the phrase during the election campaign.

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Given that a plan for no deal would be

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worse than a dereliction of duty, can the Foreign Secretary spell out

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publicly what no deal would mean and can he reassure

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us that if he is not prepared to tell us publicly,

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at the very least he has a detailed private plan to manage that risk?

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There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get

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Just for the sake of example and illustration, I would remind

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the honourable lady that there was a time, and I am

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old enough to remember it, when Britain was not in what we now

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Given that the Prime Minister has appealed to these

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benches to help out today, where does the Foreign

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Secretary think there are areas for compromise?

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As I have said before, I think the striking thing

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about this debate is how much unanimity there really is between

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the two sides of the chamber on these fundamental questions

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and I have been very struck by the Right Honourable

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gentleman that was the leader of the Labour Party who seems to me

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very much on all fours with the objectives of the Brexit...

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He very much agrees with the position that we are

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taking and I hope to see him in the lobbies with us.

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Well, later, the Brexit Secretary, David Davis, laughed off those

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comments by Boris Johnson about the "extortionate"

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As we saw, Mr Johnson said the EU could "go whistle"

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Appearing before a Lords committee, David Davis was asked

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The Foreign Secretary this morning says that, um,

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the money that it looks like the EU is asking for is "extortionate"

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and it is quite appropriate to say that "go whistle"

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The truth is, we all read this, the Europeans read this...

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He is not the only one, other members of Government say

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things which absolutely blow the strategy off-course.

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You'll have to get the Foreign Secretary here to explain his views,

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if you really want to, I'm not going to comment

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But in terms of the tone, you'll find two levels

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of knowledge when you go to our continental partners.

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You'll see local knowledge in Brussels, in which, frankly,

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They read all the British newspapers, you're quite right,

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and they take them, if anything, to seriously, is what I say to them.

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It was the reason of humorous exchange between Jean-Claude Juncker

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But more importantly, in the context of the 27,

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actually very little of what happens here percolates across.

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I remember talking to the Austrian Foreign Secretary,

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who is turning into a very good friend of mine,

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This was about two months ago, and we were talking about the issue

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of the citizens' rights, and I explained what we wanted

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to do, and he said, "Well, you'd better come to Austria

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and say that, because nobody in Austria knows this."

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Lady Armstrong turned to what she saw as another area

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The discussion that we have heard within government around

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a transitional agreement, or implementation period,

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whatever you like to call it, has varied enormously.

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Between the Chancellor talking about no cliff edge,

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and therefore really raising the question of single

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market and Customs union membership continuing,

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whereas others say something very different.

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I mean, leave aside the briefings which I can't speak for,

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but you'll find in terms of public statements, it's very hard

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to put a cigarette paper between the Chancellor and myself

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on the transitional or implementation agreement.

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Because we have discussed it at length, virtually

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You will similarly find, on another controversial area,

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in terms of issues of migration policy, we have both said,

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time and again, bringing back control of migration policy

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in the UK is not the same as slamming the door.

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The session ended with a question from another Labour peer.

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May I ask the Minister, how many women are on the negotiating team?

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The photo in the Times was a disgrace.

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Being taken to task by Lords committee.

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Many pundits have suggested that there was an obvious and

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gaping hole in the general election campaign last month.

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There was little discussion about the economy and the state

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Well, a Conservative MP thought it was a subject worthy of debate

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and led a discussion in the alternative chamber

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He attacked Labour's public spending plans.

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If they had carried on spending at the rate they were when they left

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office, there would be an extra ?1 trillion added to the public debt

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And we saw their manifesto at the last general election

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was just spend, spend, spend other people's money with

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And that way, I suggest, Ms Ryan, is not the route

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And the fact that so few of them are here to defend their plans,

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I suspect, tells us everything we need to know.

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He turned to the spending demands facing ministers.

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There are many pressures on public spending.

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There is public sector pay, funding for our National Health Service,

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funding for social care, colleagues want more money put

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into schools, there are many, many pressures on public spending,

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and part of the challenge of being in government is that

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you cannot say yes to everybody, you have to make choices

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Would he also agree with me that our public services are under

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real pressure at the moment, and I think we have to recognise

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that, and I speak as someone who works in those public services,

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and I see that in my working life there.

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According to the latest forecast, the target, a structural deficit

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of less than 2% of national income in 2020-21 will be comfortably met

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by sticking with the current tax and spending plans.

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So there is about ?25 million worth of leeway to invest a little bit

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more in those very important public services, whilst at the same time

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paying down the deficit in a responsible manner.

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When the Chancellor looks at the public finance

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position in his Budget, he needs to look at the grade

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forecast from the independent Office for Budget Responsibility,

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so he needs to look at what tax revenues he is likely to have,

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he then needs to look at the pressures on our public

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servants, on our public services, he needs to look across the piece,

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look at all of the pressures he faces, then he needs to come

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to a balanced budget judgment, weighing up all of those things,

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and then we need to back him in those decisions.

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What we cannot do is each week, have a particular story

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that's running around, we then decide that happens to be

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the flavour of the month, then when we get to the Budget,

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we discover we have run out of money.

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Ms Ryan, I feel somewhat like Custer at the Battle

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of Little Bighorn at the moment, as the Comanches come running

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towards me, and I want to apologise to Tories present for pouring water

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on some of the more political points that the honourable member

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Over the past seven years, the Government, I believe,

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has been very good at one thing, that is patting themselves

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on the back and congratulating themselves on what a great job

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Even though some many families are more pessimistic

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than ever about the future, the Government still trades

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on a myth they are overseeing a strong and robust economy.

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When they were elected in 2010, they were given a mandate alongside

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the Liberal Democrats to bring about real change.

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Intentionally, I believe, Ms Ryan, allowing people to believe

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that the deficit and the national debt were one and the same thing.

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They told the British people in 2010 they would pay off the debt

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and bring the Budget into surplus by 2015.

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I'm really frustrated at this debate, because I cannot believe

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that people are able to spill this nonsense.

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The Chancellor, when he stood up in the Spring Budget,

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mentioned that inflation was going to be 2.4% in 2017.

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Actually, inflation, in May, over the last 12 months,

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The OBR's forecast for earnings growth over 2017 was 2.6%.

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If inflation continues to grow at 2.9% and wages

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continue to grow at 2.6%, then we very quickly

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Particularly for those households that are struggling with increasing

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The Bank of England are concerned at the increases in household debt.

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Household debt is at its highest level since 2008.

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Now, this is a real problem for families, especially

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when they are going to see their real wages eroded.

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And I don't think there is a case in modern political history

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of a British Government so regularly failing to meet

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There are many ways the Government can balance the books,

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and there were very many difficult decisions that had to be taken over

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the past seven years, no-one doubts that one.

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That being said, the Government chose the path of austerity

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of long-term prosperity for everyone in the country.

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But surely, Ms Ryan, the cruellest cut of all

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is when a politician struts the stage, telling the audience that

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which they most dearly wish to hear but knowing in his heart he has

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Knowing in his heart that what he is suggesting will lead

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Finally, there were more than 80 new MPs elected in June.

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Each of them have to make a first, or maiden, speech.

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Making hers, the new MP for Oxford East reflected

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on the housing crisis in the South of England.

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Renters of homes have fewer rights than if they were renting

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The rules for housing benefit have been changed so people whose

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families have lived in Oxford for generations are being forced out

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of the city for the crime of merely owning an average,

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And to pay for the right to buy and Housing Association properties,

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up to a third of Oxford's remaining council stock could vanish.

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As far as I'm concerned, people doing their best to bring

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up their children on low incomes in Oxford are today's

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Often running between more than one job to make ends meet.

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I must say, it comes as a slap in the face to them when they hear

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politicians refusing to admit there is such a thing as in-work

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poverty, and I was disturbed to hear that in this House

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Britain, and especially Oxford, urgently needs more

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The new MP for Oxford East bringing us to the end of this

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edition of the programe, but do join me at the same time

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tomorrow for a Prime Minister's Questions with a difference,

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as Damian Green and Emily Thornberry fill in for Theresa May

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But for now, from me, Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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