05/09/2017 Tuesday in Parliament


05/09/2017

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Hello there and welcome to Tuesday in Parliament as MPs return

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to Westminster for the first time since the start

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Parliament may have been in recess, but the Brexit

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David Davis updates MPs on the ups and downs of the negotiations.

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Nobody will pretend this would be simple or easy. I have always said

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that the glaciation will be tough. MPs and peers express their concerns

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over North Korea's nuclear tests and a Foreign Office minister faces

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criticism from his own side over the Government's response to plight

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of the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Which sounded deep close to doubling

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for the blame of this ethnic cleansing on the victim community.

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Just where has the UK got to in its negotiations

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At a news conference following the last round of talks

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both the UK and EU expressed frustration at the pace of the talks

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and continued disagreement over the size of the UK's "divorce bill".

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EU negotiator Michel Barnier said "no decisive progress" had

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But the Brexit Secretary David Davis said the UK had a "duty

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to our taxpayers" to "rigorously" examine the EU's demands.

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Updating MPs David Davis was jeered by the Labour side as he gave

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While at times do negotiations have been tough it is clear we have made

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concrete progress on many important issues.

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LAUGHTER in areas such as healthcare

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and recognition of qualifications. But he turned to the so-called

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divorce bill - the money the UK Our discussions this week have

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demonstrated yet again and exposed yet again that the UK approach is

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substantially more flexible and pragmatic than that of the EU, it

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did avoid unnecessary destruction for business and consumers. I have

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urged the EU to be more imaginative and flexible on the approach to this

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point. He turned to the money the UK will pay on leaving. In July the

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commission said of the EU position. We have a duty to our taxpayers to

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interrogate the position vigorously and that is what we did line by

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line. It may be a little bit of a shock to the commissioner but that

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is what we did line by line. In the August round we set out our analysis

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of the EU position and we also had in death discussions and even

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doesn't bank and other budget is. It is clear the two sides have very

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different legal stances but as we said in the Article 50 D settlement

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should be in accordance with law and in the spirit of the UK continuing

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partnership with the EU. There were, he said,

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significant differences to be Although he will say at I am sure he

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is equally frustrated by an equally unhelpful to whistle comments and

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blackmail comments from some of his own colleagues. I am sure that

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colleagues and officials in his department are working hard in these

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difficult because stations and pay tribute to what they are doing

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behind the scenes. But the state of affairs and the slow process of

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progress are a real cause for concern. Parties appear to be

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getting farther apart than closer together. There is no huge pressure

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on the negotiating round itself in September. -- now huge pressure. The

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consequence is this, if says two is pushed back there are very serious

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consequences for Britain. And no deal, which I had hoped had died a

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death since the election, could yet rise from the ashes. Nobody would

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pretend that this would be simple or easy. I have always said the

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negotiation will be tough, complex... Tough, complex and at

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times confrontational. Keir Starmer said it was time

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to drop some of the Prime Minister's "deeply flawed" red lines to create

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the flexibility necessary. We are all see reaching the stage of

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negotiations where fantasy meets brutal reality. The truth is that

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too many promises have been made about Brexit which can't be kept.

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The Secretary of State has just said that nobody was pretending it would

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be easy. LAUGHTER

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Mr Speaker, they were pretending it would be easy, the international

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trade Secretary promised that negotiating a deal with the EU would

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be and I quote, one of the easiest deals in human history to negotiate.

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Can I urge my right honourable friend not to accept the advice of

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the opposition party that only six weeks ago was in favour of leaving

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the customs union and the single market and only today has now

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reversed that position, he should say steady on the course of the

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Government. The EU has a very simple choice to make and they help it make

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its own but they will boldly mated later, they can either trade with

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this but no new tariff barriers because women are very generous

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offer with a Conte Boulez on WTO rules which we know works fine for

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us because that is what's we do with the rest of the world. The children

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references to the EU blackmailing the UK don't help our negotiating

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stand in fact they increased the risk of UK crashing out of the

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European Union. In those circumstances does the Secretary of

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State still agree with themselves on the need for a decision referendum

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which would allow people to vote on the terms of the deal or devote to

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stay in the European Union? A Labour MP returned

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to the exit bill. On the matter of the financial

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settlement does the Secretary of State believed that the European

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Union is blackmailing the UK? With the best will in the world I choose

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my own words and of course in the negotiation there are pressure

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points, but that is to be expected. David Davis.

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The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, has brushed aside

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criticism of President Trump's response to the North Korea crisis.

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Last week North Korea fired a missile over Japan -

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and on Sunday it said it had successfully tested a nuclear weapon

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that could be loaded on to a long-range missile.

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The secretive communist state said its sixth nuclear test

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Pyongyang said it had tested a hydrogen bomb -

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a device many times more powerful than an atomic bomb.

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Updating the Commons on the situation, Boris Johnson set

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out the gravity of the situation and called for calm diplomacy.

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The House must be under no illusion that this latest test marks another

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perilous advance in North Korea's nuclear ambitions. In a country

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blighted by decades of communist economic failure where in the 1990s

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hundreds of thousands of people died of starvation or reduced to eating

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grass and leaves to survive, the regime has squandered its resources

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on building an illegal armoury of nuclear bombs. He has will wish to

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join me in condemning the nuclear test that poses a grave threat to

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the security of every country in East Asia and the wider world. Will

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Britain be a voice of calm reason on the world stage by will we allow

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ourselves with Angela Merkel, she told the Gerry Mullan today that

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they can only be a peaceful and problematic solution and if the

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answer is yes and that is the route the Government takes they will have

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our full support. But if they pretend that military options,

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involving decapitation, annihilation, fire and fury, long

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anywhere but in the bin, if they swear blind loyalty to Donald Trump,

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no matter what appears he drags us towards, then they will be risking a

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hell of a lot more than just losing our support. The UK Government must

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use its much vaunted special relationship with the United States

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and influence as friend Donald Trump to drastically calm his rhetoric. If

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that relationship is organising, if the UK has any sort of influence, in

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the White House, they must use it now to walk President Trump back

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from the unacceptable threat he has made and to bring some modicum of

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rationality to his dialogue. It is clear that he whole house hopes

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overwhelmingly for a diplomatic solution to this crisis but the

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Foreign Secretary also stared that we stand by our allies. So on that

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point may I ask how they received any request for potential military

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support in South Korea, Japan or indeed the United States? And if so

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what has been our response? We have received no such request so far,

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Madam Deputy Speaker, and our intention is to try and avoid the

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circumstances in which such a request should be made. I want quiet

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diplomacy but can I get the message across to the Foreign Secretary that

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that means working with all our alleys? Yes, serious conversations

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with the United States, but is unavoidable, but also to all our

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friends and allies in Europe, but agree the Germans, French and others

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and particularly Nato, that we have heard very little about Nato over

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the recent days. When China is a voice of calm and even Russia is

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more measured than the US, it speaks volumes about the state of global

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diplomacy. I disagree with the Government cosying up to Donald

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Trump, but if there is to be any value in those actions surely the

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Foreign Secretary should use and violence to make President Donald

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Trump use his phone for talking instead of sending involuntary

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tweets into what is a fragile and precarious situation. I really must

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disagree powerfully with the honourable lady's assertion that

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somehow this crisis has been whipped up by the Americans for by the

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president by the White House when if you look at the history, not just in

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the last year but over the last ten years, 30 years, De Sart in a

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movement towards the acquisition of thermonuclear weapons by a rogue

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state and we have now come to a point where we have to use all the

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diplomatic and peaceful at our disposable to freeze that nuclear

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programme and ensure a peaceful solution.

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Peers were also quick to offer strong condemnation

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of North Korea's nuclear tests and their possible consequences.

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Isn't the realistic lesson of the Cold War that beyond usually assured

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destruction was a formidable campaigning to systematically

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encourage change from within? Isn't the greatest current danger the law

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of unintended consequences where a rogue missile or ugly bellicosity

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could have devastating and lethal consequences for millions of

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innocent people? I think it is clear that the global community affected

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by the United Nations and the United Nations Security Council believes

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the correct approach to this is a mixture of diplomatic and economic

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measures. Going back to play detected was some scepticism about

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the sanctions, I made courtroom at the UK permanent representative to

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the United Nations Matty Rycroft said yesterday and he said it is

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clear the sanctions are having an effect and he said those who doubt

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this impact would only read the statements coming from the North

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Korean regime, so these measures today are having an effect, the UK

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Government is currently in discussion with our global partners

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as to what further steps we might take. Sanctions that are but to

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affect only the ordinary people of North Korea have not chosen to eat

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grass, and the words of Vladimir Putin, actually a factor. What

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efforts has Her Majesty 's government undertaking to try and

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ensure that future sanctions actually target the leader and not

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the people of North Korea? The noble lady is right to allude to a very

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natural concern, the plight of the people of North Korea. There is

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every reason to imagine that their plight is very grave indeed. I

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shared the noble lady's concern. The UK is doing whatever it can through

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diplomatic channels to exercise influence.

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The United Nations says the number of Rohingya refugees

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crossing from Myanmar - also known as Burma -

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into Bangladesh has surged in recent days.

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The Rohingya are a stateless, mostly Muslim, ethnic

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minority who have faced persecution in Myanmar.

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More than 123,000 are now said to have fled violence

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in the country's Rakhine state since 25th August.

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The conflict was triggered by an attack by Rohingya

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This sparked a military counter-offensive that has forced

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a flood of civilians from their villages.

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Answering an urgent question the Foreign Office Minister said

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he'd issued a statement jointly with the International Development

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Minister Alistair Burt after the initial outbreak of violence.

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Condemning the attacks by Rohingya militants

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At the same time, the UK also strongly urge the security forces

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to show restraint and call for all parties to

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The MP who'd asked the urgent question was unimpressed.

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I have to say, I'm a little bit disappointed by the response of the

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Minister in the way he started by suggesting as if somehow the

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Rohingya Muslims and these people had caused this to occur. He must be

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aware that in the last number of years, there has been a semester

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Matic rape and murder on burning and beheading of people of the Rohingya

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community. This is one of the worst outbreaks of violence in decades.

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The international community is sidelined as they watch another one

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the envelope before our eyes is. Does the Minister agree that this

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situation requires urgent integration, and can he tell us what

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concrete action the Government and Prime Minister had taken today to

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deal with this? Very sorry to hear the honourable ladies are

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disappointed. We have miners of for some time and made it known through

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diplomatic sources are feelings. If yours and Congress that unsung Suu

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Kyi, so long such a beacon for human rights, has not stepped in in terms

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of the military crackdown meetings are many people that access to food.

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So what do we say about the struggles going on between the

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Government and Bernie is military. And what we say to those who wish to

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uphold human rights to gain the upper hand? I thank Billy honourable

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lady for her worries and four at the British beaucoup Brahams have very

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little knowledge of Burma, perhaps anything they know is Ang Sang Suu

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Kyi and perhaps they will be dismayed. There is various sectarian

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aspects within Burma and a lack of democracy as we would know it's

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going back five decades. And disappointed with the tone of the

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Minister, which sounded like dumping the blame for this ethnic cleansing

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on the Muslim community. Can he is a little more about our expectations

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of our sons the key is leading a Government and associated with

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behaviour that is unacceptable by any standard of behaviour at all?

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I'm sorry that my honourable friend Jesus to use the opportunity to

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grandstand on the way that he does. I thought it made it absolutely

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clear... JEERING The House has voted on that

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matter, as the all know. We have made it clear that we do feel that

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Ang Sang sickie and her Government do need to rise to the plane. We are

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not in any way be getting our understanding of the violence that

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is going on and it's impact. Over in the Lords a bishop asked

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what the UK Government was doing The United Nations is reporting

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35,000 people have crossed from Myanmar into Bangladesh in the past

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24 hours alone. The two UN camps for refugees are now full. What action

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does Her Majesty Government plan to take in response to this imaginary

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crisis, and in particular, what representations are being made to

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them Janmaat Government entrance bonds to the blocking of humanity

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Government to the locking of humanitarian aid?

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The minister Lady Goldie said the UK Government was very concerned

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and the situation had been raised by the UK's ambassador

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But peers wanted her to say more about what was actually being done.

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Has the Government officially condemned the action that has been

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described as genocide, ethnic cleansing and the appalling scenes

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that we are witnessing, both on social media and on our TV screens

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of families, children, being driven out in the most horrible of

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circumstances and thousands of villagers being burned down? I've

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herders saying that we're sensitive about the transition of military to

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democracy, but there's surely no excuse for this in that transition?

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I think the United Kingdom is clearly on the record as making

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obvious to those involved our very profound unease of what is going on.

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We do intend this violence and are trying, with other partners, look

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forwards to both assist Burma and the plight of those directly

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affected. You're watching Tuesday in

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Parliament with me, Alicia McCarthy. Don't forget you can find plenty

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more from Westminster on our website 12 weeks after the Grenfell Tower

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tragedy, the Communities Secretary Sajid Javid told MPs that 196

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households needed a new home. Of those, 29 have moved

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into temporary accommodation while two have moved

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into permanent homes. Mr Javid also revealed that 165

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tower blocks across the UK - clad with some form of aluminium

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composite material - Several MPs voiced concerns

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about the slow pace of the rehousing scheme while others urged Ministers

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to pay more attention to the psychological

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problems facing survivors. The number of people who have moved

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into temporary or permanent homes continues to rise,

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but I know that the overall One reason for the low take-up

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of temporary home offers is that some residents simply don't

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want to move twice, and they have said

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that it is their preference to stay where they are until a permenant

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home becomes available. He said he didn't

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want to rush anyone. Meanwhile, residents who don't

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want to live in emergency accommodation for any

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longer than is necessary. Nor do I want families forced

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to move or make snap decisions simply so I

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have better numbers to report The Grenfell disaster prompted

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a testing regime on cladding Mr Javid said four of the seven

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cladding systems had The cladding systems that passed

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the test are in use on eight The owners of affected

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buildings have been given detailed advice, drawn up by

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independent expert advisory panel. This covers steps to ensure

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the safety of residents, including, where necessary, the

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removal of cladding. For me, the biggest sign that the

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people at Kensington will not be beaten is the amazing results

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achieved by local children in their GCSEs and A-levels will stop Imad

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Wasim critically of remarkable young women, just 16 years old, her family

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lost their home in the fire, but she still received a string of top

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grades. Mr Speaker, on Help And Rehousing,

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we've been reminded today how vital this is by the reports of 20

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Grenfell Fire survivors who have tried to commit

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suicide since the fire. 12 weeks on, how on Earth

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can it be that only 29 households, 196 from

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Grenfell Tower and Grenfell Walk, What is the Secretary of State doing

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to speed this up, and when was all the survivors be offered

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permanent rehousing? The school year began today,

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and students are shortly beginning university from inadequate

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accommodation in hotels As will those of the young man

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who was also taking his GCSEs the morning of the fire, and arrived

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in his underwear at school, was given clothes to where,

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who didn't have the fabulous good fortune of the young

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woman you spoke about, has had no consideration,

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and has lost his place at school. The Justice Minister Dominic Raab

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has apologised for a policy requiring workers to fund the cost

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of taking legal action The Government introduced fees

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for employment tribunals in 2013 in order to reduce the number

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of cases considered The trade union, Unison,

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challenged the fees, arguing that they were

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denying people justice. And, in July, the Supreme Court

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ruled that the policy was unlawful. My constituents have highlighted

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the stress and financial burden placed on them

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in going through an employment tribunal case which

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they ultimately won. Can the minister ensure that those

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who are entitled to claim back under the tribunal freeze are made

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aware of the process and are reunited with their money

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in a timely fashion? I thank the honourable

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member for that question. He's absolutely right that it can be

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quite an ordeal to go to the employment tribunal or any

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tribunal, which is why pay tribute to the work

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of Acas and Conciliation. We're going to set out

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the practical arrangements for the reimbursement of those fees,

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and we want to make sure all the points, particular making

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people aware, are properly thought through before

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we do that. Was the decision to introduce the

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fees in the first place a mistake? We certainly accept

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the Supreme Court ruling. We've ended those fees and we're

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looking to make sure that, not only do we reimburse those that

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were affected, but we obviously Richard Burgon wrote

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to Justice Secretary, David Lidington, in July asking

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for a "full and unequivocal Last week, I received this

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wholly inadequate reply, but will the Minister apologise

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today for the suffering that this policy has caused to hundreds

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of thousands of working people? Look, we've admitted and conceded

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we got the balance wrong. I'm very sorry, I am happy to say,

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for any frustration or deleterious impact it's had on anyone that's

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been affected by this. That's why we have moved so quickly

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both to end the charges but also to make sure there are practical

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arrangements for the reimbursement Finally, the start of

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a new Parliament gives MPs the chance to put

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forward their own bills that they'd Well, two Conservatives took full

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advantage of the system. Veteran backbencher,

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Christopher Chope, put down nearly 50, covering

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everything from funding the NHS to voter registration,

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and the classification His fellow Conservative, Peter Bone,

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introduced nearly 30 bills he'd Again, he had a wide agenda,

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with ambitions for child safety, regulating drones and oversight

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of the BBC. Whilst a handful of the bills

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might make it to debate on a sitting Friday,

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without Government backing, And that's it from me for now,

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but do join me at the same time tomorrow when Theresa May faces

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Jeremy Corbyn for the first Prime Minister's Questions

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since the summer break. But for now from me,

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Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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