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Hello and welcome to the programme.

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Coming up,

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there's anger on the Conservative

benches over the Government's

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Brexit fishing deal.

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That there is no way I can sell the

still in a transitional period as

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anything like a success.

Two basic

amenities and Murray, Stalin or the

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UK.

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The Environment

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Secretary sympathises.

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I feel their disappointment.

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And, the BBC comes under

fire for its treatment

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of some presenters.

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I feel like I've been hung out to

dry. I feel betrayed and I asked

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this, where is their duty of care

towards me.

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But first,

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For many MPs it felt like a slap

in the face with a wet fish.

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The European Union will continue

to set fishing quotas

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during the transition

period following Brexit.

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That was what was decided on Monday

in an agreement the Government

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hailed as a success,

a step forward.

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But fisherfolk are furious that EU

trawlers will still have access

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to UK waters until the end of that

transition period in December 2020.

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A Liberal Democrat MP

had an urgent question

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for the Environment Secretary.

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The mood in fishing communities is

one of palpable anger. This is not

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what we were promised. And the basic

question that the Secretary of State

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has to answer today is this, if they

can't let us down like this over the

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deal for a transitional period, how

do we know they will not do it again

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when it comes to the final deal?

When it comes to it, well they trade

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away access or water for access to

markets, or anything else?

The first

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thing I will happily acknowledges

that there is disappointment in the

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basic amenities. I know as somebody

whose father was a fish merchant and

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whose grandparents went to sea to

fish. I understand how fishing

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communities feel about the

situation. I shared a

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disappointment.

I'm sure the

Secretary of State will understand

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that there is no way I can sell this

still in the transitional period of

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them and think like a success to

basic amenities and Murray, Scotland

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or the UK. But can the Secretary of

State confirm that when we leave the

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policy in 2020, we will have full

control over this and vessel access

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because the fishing communities that

feel let down and angered at this

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government at the moment the debt

guarantee?

I understand my

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honourable friend's want and it will

be the case across the Northeast of

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Scotland and the United Kingdom,

people will be disappointed that the

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proposal that we sought to assure

that would apply for it to the other

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19 to apply for that year. It is

also important to recognise that

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this is a 12 month additional

extension to the maintenance of the

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EU belt and we accept that in order

to secure the greater prize which he

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is quite the right to remind the

House. Only available if we ensure

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that we leave the common fisheries

policy, take back control and make

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absolutely clear to other countries

that access and causes will be in

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our hands.

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But several

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Conservatives weren't convinced

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that the Government wouldn't use

that control to allow EU

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fishing in UK waters once

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the transition period was over.

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Bring forward, with companies are

guaranteed can't you give the

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control of ICs will not be

sacrificed in the Brexit?

Does my

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friend agree that we owe a debt to

our fishing communities? And that we

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must not guarantee to the EU any

level of access in favour of a

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longer-term trade deal?

Yes.

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But while many Conservative

MPs were disappointed

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with the Government's deal,

they still reserved some

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anger for the SNP.

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I share the disappointment of

Northeast this submit and the

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transition to fall short with a hope

for, so can the Secretary of State

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guarantee that on the 1st of

January, 2021, we will leave the

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common fisheries policy, take back

control over our waters comes at our

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own fishery management policies, and

hard quotas, and look at including

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that in the history built in if he

should be concerned that I have in

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the Scottish fishermen Federation

have that the SNP Scottish

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Government will keep us in the

policy and perpetuity and that would

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sell Scotland's measurements out!

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For their

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part, the SNP were up in arms.

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With concern is always somebody

else's's file for the Conservatives.

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When we joined to the common

fisheries policy, Scotland's

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measurements were described as

expendable. So there were use to

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Scottish tourist sell-outs, given

the matter of days out even

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Scotland's measurement will be

surprised at how quickly that one

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was turned around. Will the Minister

tell me at what point are fishermen

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became a bargaining chip or has that

been the case all along and does he

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agree with me that there are now in

the worst of all worlds that were in

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the common fisheries policy but no

say, and Willie also tell me why

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over the years, the SNP has proposed

changes to bring greater control

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over fishing policies, but they have

been rejected and Jessica grew with

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me that that is because there's a

big industry in Scotland imported to

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the Scottish Government that means

nothing Westminster?

-- nothing to

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us Mr. Mr Speaker, I production

means we discussed somebody else are

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talking about yourself. It is

interesting that the Scottish

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National Party spokesman to talk

about always blaming somebody else.

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And always make somebody else's

fault. For a party that has raised

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grievance to an art form, they have

a damn chick making a case.

Given

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the assurances I and others over the

last year were given right friend

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the Prime Minister down that we

would leave the common fisheries

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policy at the end of March 2019, who

actually was negotiating debts and

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did they really care about fishing?

The truth that the Tories are

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treating this industry as

expendable. The Secretary of State

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talked about were viable.

But

industry cannot revive based on the

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status quo that the Government has

delivered on the CFP. Does he

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understand what my constituents will

see this as a total sell-out? Would

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not even a say at the table for the

next two years.

I'm slightly

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concerned by my routable friend's on

in relation to the negotiations that

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the European Commission would not

allow us something. Surely, it is a

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question of what importance we put

on something as to whether we get

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it. Therefore I ask my right

honourable friend what did we get in

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return?

The bid price that we have

secured is an implementation period

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that allows us to prepare for the

benefits. That's what the price that

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we got.

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But the Lib Dem who raised

the question warned Michael Gove

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against taking

fishermen for granted.

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It was reported that the Government

Chief Whip today or yesterday told

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his backbenches that it is not like

the fishermen are going to vote

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labour. If that is true, every

phrase a certain attitude in the

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Secretary of State should not be

complacent, he should not take it

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for granted in the future that they

will be voting Tory either.

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The draft deal about the transition

period is expected to be signed off

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at an EU summit later this week.

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And the Prime Minister will make

a statement to MPs on Monday.

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People with advanced dementia

are being evicted by some care

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providers in England,

on the basis it's too costly

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too look after them,

according to Labour.

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The accusation came

at health questions.

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We have a care system where the hot

hot process that is not sustainably

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funded, with the CQC says that one

quarter of care facility in not say

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for now. -- where the audit office

says. And when providers cherry pick

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an event people with advanced

dementia on the grounds of cost. Can

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the care Minister tell us what she

is doing to address these issues and

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the sharp decline in which there has

been an public satisfaction with the

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social care system?

Mr Speaker, we

know that this sector is under

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pressure because of the ageing

population but the Government has

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given councils accessed 291 £4

billion more dedicated funding over

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the three years.

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A Conservative thought the answer

might be working together.

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Given that the arithmetic of this

place is so tight, it's clear that

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they'll need be some form of

consensus for Crossbar party for

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reform. Given that the opposition

appeared to favour a wealth tax, and

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are on-site have mooted the idea of

individuals pay more for their own

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care,, surely cross party consensus

is within reach. Can I ask the

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Secretary of State his view on cross

party consensus?

I think it is very

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important in your sixth Earth Offaly

on this matter but it is important

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to the social care issues are

something that are going to

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continue. -- he always speaks

truthfully on this matter. Unless we

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find a solution of both parties will

have to deal with this. In truth,

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both parties have made things worse

by politicking in the past whether

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it was discussion about a death tax

and 2009, or a dementia tax in 2017.

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A Labour MP thought

the problem was simple.

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Not much sign of a cross-party

consensus yet then.

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The problem is simply this, not

enough money, or quality stuff and

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not in a place of. The Government

should be ashamed of itself.

It's

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Fardy CBSN of itself are living as

with the financial crisis ten years

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ago. That's right it is his party

that should be a shame to miss out.

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It has created pressure and health

and social care system. Let me say

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to him that yes, in 2010, there were

some cuts in the social care system

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but does have changed out and over

this Parliament, the budget is going

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up by nine points of additional

resources, which is an increase in

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real terms.

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Not much sign of consensus yet.

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You're watching Tuesday

in Parliament with me, Mandy Baker.

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The BBC has come under fire from

some of its senior broadcasters.

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They believe they were forced

into employment arrangements that

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could leave them facing huge

and unexpected tax bills.

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The Culture committee

is investigating a decision to make

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some presenters use personal

service companies or PSCs.

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Before the hearing, the MPs released

a dossier showing how some of those

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pursued for unpaid taxes suffered

mental health problems and in some

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cases considered suicide.

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The BBC has established a process

which means the Corporation

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could pay a share of bills.

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This is an incredibly serious issue

and I think we've all been concerned

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to read about the personal

predicament people have been placed

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in and the effect that has had on

themselves on their families.

This

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isn't the sort a well played

presenters. Training to companies to

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attack. This is the story of the BBC

forcing Asher evidence has shown

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hundreds of present is to form

companies and treat them as

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freelancers because that gave the

BBC Plex ability. The effect of that

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meant the BBC plate last insurance

contributions. Except that was not

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its purpose and we accept that but

it did have that effect. And save

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millions of pounds a year. The BBC

have avoided other implement cost.

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Sickness payments, Secretary pay,

pensions... So on. It could get rid

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of any of us on a whim. No

employment rights and assets. The

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price was paid by presenters who

were exposed to the risk that when

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David HMRC will come to them and

decide it would not freelancers but

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were employed in claim that tax

including employers national

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insurance. That risk has become

real.

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The BBC ended the use of PSCs

because the law changed last year.

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It's done in such a candid way that

many people have been faced to the

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financial. Double taxation, no pay,

direct of the work and that has led

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to that dossier of despair shall I

call it, which was presented to you

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and it is sad to us that it took the

publication of that to arouse the

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BBC to what say we said last night.

-- to say what he said last night.

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Mr Lewis said he'd refused

to set up a company.

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But others had.

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The BBCpoint of view was nobody was

forced and the evidence is that you

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didn't do it, it didn't work. That

was being forced in my view and

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people suddenly felt they had no

choice to agree to that.

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The MPs then heard from presenters

who felt they had been

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compelled to set up a PSC.

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I think it is a tragedy that this

mismanagement will lead to millions

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of pounds possibly being taken to

the coffers, to rapidly compensate

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people who been taken into account

its game or gone to hell, to the

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point of nearly taken her own life.

Or have been blotted with the tax

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bills. It is not something I want to

be a poster girl. Let's take the

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money off of the licence plate. I

resent that. None of this is of our

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making.

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Another said all her worst

fears had come true.

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Not long after I went freelance my

stepdaughter died suddenly, I was

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unable to pay per remit leave and I

went back into the show before her

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funeral because I had to get money.

-- unable to take bereavement leave.

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Two years after that, how was

diagnosed with cancer. I had

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surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy,

I work the whole way through. I

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entered into this whole arrangement

in good faith. I trusted the BBC and

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was proud to be part of the BBC. And

I feel like I've been hung out to

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dry. I feel betrayed and I asked

this, where is the duty of care

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towards me?

The people in this

situation and our people, not pounds

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of beans, which people seem to

regard the mass, they are stacked to

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the local committee and stars, not

being betrayed in some sections of

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the media. They trust the BBC

because it is the BBC. They trusted

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to look after them in the BBC has

done anything but that. On the eve

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of this meeting, where the BBC

decided to take some sort of

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modifying action, and come out with

very nice words, I'm sorry but nice

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words do not heal broken minds. They

did not heal broken people and that

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is with the BBC is dealt with and

they must face up to it.

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The government's drawing up plans

to make boardrooms more accountable

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when firms go under.

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Ministers say the proposals

will give regulators stronger powers

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to tackle those who make

irresponsible decisions.

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We are determined to learn the

lessons from things like really. We

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think we can do more teaching than

the Government's framework

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insolvency situations.

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He told MPs the consultation

would focus on three areas.

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Firstly, the selling

on of businesses that were near -

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or in - insolvency.

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Secondly...

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The Government will consult on

measures to get insolvency

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practitioners the additional

necessary powers to claw back for

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the benefit of creditors money which

has been siphoned off through

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complex financing arrangements.

Thirdly, Mr Speaker, concerns have

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also been raised, including by a

number of honourable members, about

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the difficulties raised when a

company has been dissolved but is

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then found to have outstanding debts

or allegations of directive

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misconduct. Often these dissolved

companies will reappear, phoenix

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like in a slightly different form in

a slightly different name and start

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operating again. At present is,

insolvency services to not have the

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powers necessary to investigate

these cases. We are determined that

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they will.

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But Labour argued many of these

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powers already existed

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and it wasn't clear what these

proposals added - what was on offer

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was meaningless platitudes.

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The Government is certainly not

known for being proactive rather

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always mopping up after the event.

The minute these problems are new.

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Companies going insolvent and

leaving pension deficits or assets

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strip are not novel. Look at the

case of a DHS. These are problems

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the Government should have already

anticipated. I ask the Minister why

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hasn't taken the Government till now

to begin to act and only make

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tentative steps?

The House can be

reassured that this is just the next

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step in a robust, detailed, fulsome

review of our corporate government

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regime.

These proposals are a range

of options available to accompany

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becoming insolvent. The proactive

approach can prevent this happening

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in the first place. Would he agree

that one way to ensure this would be

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for organisations to take profit

warnings seriously and not continue

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to hand out contracts to firms who

issue them?

Can ask the Minister

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which currently can do and will in

future be able do with respect to

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companies like Toys "R" Us where we

had a management team led by a man

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who over a long period of time were

able to loop the company with debt

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using complex is written tax havens

and leaving behind the legacy of 580

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million pension fund and 3000

redundancies? What can he do?

In

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relation to Toys "R" Us, of course

he recognises, as I said previously,

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that that some businesses will

always fail, but this government is

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very clear that these sets of

measures, in particular the putting

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the emphasis on the

responsibilities, not just of

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directors, but also of shareholders,

and I think this is a very important

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point, the sharp holders,

institutional shareholders, have a

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voice in the way these are run.

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Andrew Griffiths.

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A Conservative MP has called

for the introduction of new measures

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to make sure residents of high rise

homes are given information

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about fire safety,

following the horrific blaze

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at Grenfell Tower in London.

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Maria Miller said one

of her constituents who lived

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in a privately-owned building wasn't

able even to see the fire

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risk assessments.

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Eventually, when I secured a copy of

the fire risk assessments and sent

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to my constituent, he was very

concerned. He was concerned to find

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out that a number of fire risks had

been raised within the report,

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including serious faults on defence

control panel which the report

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identified as a hazard for escape

routes and evacuations.

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Maria Miller said residents

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had a right to know

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what the fire risks were.

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My bill would make sure that the

responsible person holds it a

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residence meeting to go to the fire

risk assessment and review and

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report on the measures being taken

to address any risks identified.

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She said that after

the Grenfell Tower fire

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there was an urgent need

to improve fire safety.

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Everyone who lives in a high-rise

building has the right to know if

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there are fire issues that have been

identified, how they are being

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tackled and most important of all,

what they should do in the event of

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a fire. At the moment, there is no

transparency. Patchy at this,

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residents deserve better.

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The bill cleared its first

parliamentary hurdle,

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but without Government support,

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it's unlikely to become law.

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There were calls from across

the Commons for the restoration

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of power sharing at Stormont.

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MPs were debating a bill to give

civil servants in Northern Ireland

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the legal authority to carry out

day-to-day spending in the absence

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of a devolved government.

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Power sharing collapsed

14 months ago.

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The Northern Ireland Secretary said

the bill represented the minimum

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intervention to ensure public

services could function and it

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contained no new money.

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I take these measures with the

greatest reluctance. I have deferred

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action here until it was clear it

would not be possible for executive

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to take this legislation forward. As

we approach the end of the financial

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year, it is important we proceed now

to give certainty as the Northern

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Ireland civil service was to

continue to protect and preserve the

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public services.

All of these

places, Northern Northern Ireland's

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servants are in a position. They're

taking responsibly for providing

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services, making now increasingly

autonomous decisions about services

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without really having a political

master to serve for a political

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backstop to watch their back if

there is a crisis in any of the

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services they're providing.

Of

course we want devolution and of

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course average mice to continue to

make sure there is devolution in

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Northern Ireland, but in the

meantime, there are communities and

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people suffering from a lack of

decision-making and as he has

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rightly said, in the meantime, we

must ensure that decisions are made

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for the good of everyone.

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The DUP's Nigel Dodds.

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The Government's been defeated

in the Lords as peers insisted

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the UK should not withdraw

from the European nuclear

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agreement, Euratom,

until a replacement deal

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was in place.

0:22:060:22:07

The Euratom arrangement covers

issues such as the transport

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of radioactive materials,

including those used

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in medical treatments,

or in nuclear power stations.

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The government was defeated

by 265 votes to 194,

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a majority of 71 votes

on the Nuclear Safeguards Bill.

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Earlier the topic exercising their

lordships was rubbish - literally.

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One Conservative former minister

thought it would be a good idea

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to add litter-picking

to the National Curriculum.

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And he wasn't mincing his words.

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The shocking and disgusting

proliferation of litter in our towns

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and countryside frankly seems this

nation. Whilst my proposal might

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need some opposition and some people

would understandably be very

0:22:460:22:50

concerned about safety and some

teachers might not like it very

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much, if it where enacted that all

children spent a couple hours

0:22:540:22:56

clearing litter, I believe it might

have a gradual effect on attitudes

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are not only that, but it might, in

the long term, have a positive

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educational impact. Would my noble

friend please go back and look, in a

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very serious matter, at this

proposal or something similar and

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take radical action, so we no longer

need to be shaved at the state of

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our highways? Tonight at the shape

of our highways?

I agree with my

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noble friend with the scourge of

litter which is why the Government

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washed it with your strategy last

year. It sets out our aim to clean

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up the country and to deliver a

substantial reduction within a

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generation.

I'm wary of criticising

the noble blood work -- the noble

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lord given his service. I'm sure

there are not a few children who are

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quite relieved their are left in the

country. I wonder if the noble lord

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is aware that it is extreme and

balanced your six curricula and to

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not include data that is not a

problem?

Given the high rate of

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illiteracy and many of our primary

schools and the low rate of humour

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and see him as 11 euros, which

really affects the subsequent

0:24:170:24:21

education, does the noble would not

agree with me it would be far better

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to concentrate on the essentials of

a good education and not expose our

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children to unnecessary danger doing

foolish things which are naturally

0:24:280:24:32

part the curriculum?

In two weeks'

time, today, it will become a

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penalty of £80 on the owner of any

vehicle from which litter is thrown.

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This is a big advance because

previously they could ever be

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prosecuted. We have now, the

Government has now made it a civil

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penalty. Will he equally except that

the penalty for flights if they

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aren't completely inadequate and the

enforcement against fly-tipping is

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also inadequate?

I think it comes

back to my earlier statement that it

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is about public responsibility and

duty. I am delighted that the fines

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for littering from cars have been

increased and also be aware that

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from January of this year, we banned

the use of microbeads in cosmetic

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substances, so the whole thrust is

to improve the protection of our

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environment and I applauded the most

recent action you referred to.

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Lord

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Agnew.

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And that's all we've got time for.

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So from me, Mandy Baker, goodbye.

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