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08/12/2015

Victoria Derbyshire speaks to boxing trainer Peter Fury about a petition to have Tyson Fury removed from the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year contest.


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Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

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bail this morning after being found guilty of murdering

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The accused Schmidts to the house arrest and may leave the house

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between 7 o'clock in the morning and 12 o'clock midday and is only

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allowed to travel within t radius permitted.

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Also today, yet more misery for people whose

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homes have been destroyed in the floods with warnings

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We'll speak to some of those affected.

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Plus one of the leading candidates to be the next President

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of the United States of America is calling for Muslims to be banned

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Donald Trump is calling for a shutdown to Muslims until

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representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

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We'll get reaction from American Muslim's.

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Plus, should this man be a contender for the BBC's Sports

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Britain's world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury has made

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homophobic and sexist comments but do personal views matter

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when it comes to recognition for his sporting triumphs like this?

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Bedlam in the ring as Tyson Fury wins one of the most coveted prizes

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in sport. He comes from a gypsy background. The self-styled gypsy

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King is the heavyweight champion of the world!

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News

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Throughout the programme we'll keep you

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across the latest breaking news and developing stories and, as always,

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Particularly keen for you to tell us what you think

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of Britain's world heavyweight boxer, Tyson Fury, and whether he

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should be on the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist.

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There's a campaign to get him removed

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from the list because of sexist and homophobic remarks he's made.

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But do personal views matter when it comes to sporting achievements?

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Richard is cross, he says for goodness sake, Tyson is a breath of

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fresh air another says. Anne says, he should be removed. Although

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everyone is entitled to their opinions, Mr Fury's are offensive

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and it does sports personality a disservice.

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Carol will be here with all the weather details just

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We'll talk to people who clearing up their businesses just

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The South African paralympic champion, Oscar Pistorius, has been

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granted bail, after his conviction for killing his girlfriend was

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These are the latest pictures as Oscar Pistorius arrived

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His lawyer says he'll appeal to the highest court against the ruling.

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The judge said it would not be in the interests of justice to prevent

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him leaving his home and said he'd remain under house arrest pending

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sentencing. He has proved that he is not a flight risk. Initially, the

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applicant was charged with an offence mentioned in schedule 6

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which offence attracts a sentence of life imprisonment and even if he was

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facing life imprisonment, he did comply with the bail conditions that

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were put by the court. I have seriously considered part of the

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agreement between the defence and the state that the applicant should

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not leave the house at all should bail be granted. I have further

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considered this matter is to be postponed to April next year, as it

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was discussed in Chambers. I'm of the view that it will not be in the

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interests of justice to the accused or the applicant, should not leave

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the house at all. Have you considered all the

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submissions that were made by both counsel -- having considered. I make

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the following order; the case is postponed to the 18th April, 2016.

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Applicant is released on bail of 10,000 Rand.

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Karen Allen is outside the court for us.

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Tell us what happened in court today, Karen?

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Well, a case that lasted a little over an hour, the judge basically

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set out the bail conditions for Oscar Pistorius. Remember, he is now

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a convicted murderer following last week's appeal. The bail conditions

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are essentially this; that he will be allowed to leave the house

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between 7 and 12. He'll have to notify the authorities that he

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intends to leave the house but won't be able to go beyond a radius of 20

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kilometres of his uncle's house. He'll also have to hand over his

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passport. There was concern that he may be able to go overseas. That is

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why they are also electronically tagging him, very different to the

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conditions he faced when he was convicted for manslaughter and he

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was basically serving his correctional supervision, as they

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called it. The bottom line though, is that in today's court case where

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Oscar Pistorius, who was sitting literally a metre away from me,

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looked a much more relaxed man. He went into court knowing that the

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prosecution and his defence lawyers had already come to an agreement

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that he should be allowed to continue some form of house arrest.

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Of course, it wasn't up to them, it was up to the judge, but as you

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heard in your clip a moment ago, he wasn't deemed to be a flight risk.

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So when in the last few minutes Oscar Pistorius left the gates here,

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he looked far more relaxed despite the heavy presence of the

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international media here as he prepares to spend Christmas at home.

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And in terms of his next legal move, what does that involve?

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Well, as you heard, the plan is to appeal last week's decision to the

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highest court in the land. That is the constitutional court here in

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South Africa. Now, the papers have to be lodged in the next few days.

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Then on April 18th, we will get an indication as to whether or not that

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constitutional court case has been a success. If it has been a success,

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then we could make many, many more months before a date is set -- wait

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many, many more months. If it fails, it's only then that Oscar Pistorius

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will come back to the High Court to face sentencing for that murder

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conviction, so it's enormously complicated, but throughout that

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time, those bail conditions are likely to remain in place, which

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means the possibility of him going to jail could be delayed for many,

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many more months still. Thank you very much.

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Let's talk now to Gushwell Brooks, a journalist in Johannesburg,

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who's been following the case from the beginning.

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In terms of the bail conditions allowing Oscar Pistorius for now

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being able to leave his uncle's house for a period of time, what is

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the reaction? Well, I mean looking at the Twitter feed and listening to

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the comments people have made thus far, it's quite clear that people

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feel that yet again, it's a situation of someone with money,

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someone with influence, some with collar, being able to manipulate the

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legal system. On top of that, I think the constitutional cou, that

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doesn't help that scenario either. Is there any evidence that he's

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manipulated that, it was only a short while ago that his conviction

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was changed? I believe there is an argument to be made for the fact

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that money obviously brights you greater access to justice. I don't

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necessarily think that it's based on opinion or evidence -- buys you

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greater access to justice. It's down to opinion and people are getting

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tired of Oscar Pistorius trying various legal mechanisms to stay out

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of court. But anybody, everybody in his position would go back to court

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to have a bail hearing? Indeed. I don't think that the bail

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application is the issue, thing the bail application was going to happen

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anyway. What is of concern to a lot of people is the fact that Oscar

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Pistorius is appealing this matter through the constitutional court.

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Just to make you aware, because this was a capital crime or a serious

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offence, murder was obviously, the case of murder and culpable homicide

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was actually heard in the High Court. The state then appealed to

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the Supreme Court of Appeal and now he is appealing to the

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constitutional court which would obviously be the final leg of his

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appeal process. I think that what people are frustrated by is that the

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ordinary Joe on the street wouldn't be able to exhaust all these legal

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mechanisms. Thank you very much for talking to us again.

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US rock band Eagles of Death Metal have appeared on stage in Paris,

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less than a month after Islamist gunmen stormed their gig

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They were invited to appear during a U2 concert.

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Bono embraced singer Jesse Hughes ahead of joint rendition of Patti

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There is nothing left except to introduce you to some

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people whose lives will forever be a part of the city of Paris.

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These are our brothers, our fellow troubadours.

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They were robbed of their stage three weeks ago and we would

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Would you welcome the Eagles of Death Metal!

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Is everybody here having a good time?

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I said, is everybody here having a good time?

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No fear. We are here. Yes. It is the goodness. It's great. It's very

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great to sing this night I think because this band have seen the

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devil, the Black Friday, yes. I'm so happy. Eagle of Death Metal, I love

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you. I think it's very good therapy for the band. For the first time,

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one more time in Paris after a few weeks, after the terrorist attack, I

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think it's very good for us and it was a very emotional moment for me.

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It was very, you know, like heart-beating. The whole stage was

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with them and it was very good. I think this is a good thing for us to

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see them again because they come back and we are here, we are here to

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sing again and life is going on. Thanks for getting in touch about

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Tyson Fury. Some of you are cross about hope phobic comments and what

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you regard as sexist comments as well. We are going to talk to his

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uncle and trainer just after ten. Do get in touch and you can have a chat

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with him. E-mail from Janet, nominating this dreadful man is a

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disgrace. Total failure as a human being. Why does the BBC want to

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align itself with someone like this, giving him a platform to broadcast

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is unforgiveable. This is a tweet from Jack, he's a bigot, get him

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off, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned. Mark on Twitter says

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freedom of speech is vital. Alloy people to decide through the voting

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system. Ian West on Twitter says, what was sexist about saying someone

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looked good in a dress? Time for people to grow up. If you missed

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that, he said that Jessica Ennis-Hill slapped up good and

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looked good in a dress. If you want to talk to us, do put on your text,

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e-mail or tweet, call me and we'll do our best to call you back.

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We'll be speaking to Tara Hudson, a transgender woman sentenced to 12

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weeks in an all-male prison who says she was repeatedly propositioned

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by male prisoners and feared she might be raped.

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First it's the main news this morning.

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South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

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bail after being found guilty of murdering his girlfriend

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The judge extended his house arrest until a sentencing

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Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

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of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

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16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

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US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

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from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

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The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

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Donald J Trump is calling for a total

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and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our

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country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!

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A hospital trust has apologised for placing a do not resuscitate order

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on a patient. The family only found after he was discharged from

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hospital in Margate in 2011. Those are the headlines.

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The sport now and here is Olly. Good morning. You feel that football

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is really going to dominate the agenda. Last night we had the FA Cup

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third round draw. That's always one of the most anticipated moments of

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the season. Not many non-league sides left. Just the four. White

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Hawks have a plum draw at Everton. There are four British teams in the

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Champions League. By tomorrow night, there could be just the one,

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Manchester United, have to win tonight to reach the knock-out

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stage. It is a crunch time for the women at the hockey finals. We will

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hear from one of their stars who hasn't played since winning a bronze

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medal at the London Olympics in 2012. BBC Wales had their Sports

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Personality of the Year awards last night. Rugby union fly-half Dan

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Bigger taking the prize to cap a brilliant year for him. That's

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coming up at 10am. Carol will bring you the details

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about the weather because more rain is expected. So many people are face

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ago nightmare because of the flooding caused by Storm Desmond.

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Helen Williamson and her family live in Cockermouth

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in Cumbria which has been flooded three times in the last ten years.

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The yard is pretty much clear. I have got a couple of puddles in it,

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a good thick inch of river sludge, whatever it maybe.

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I have not been out on to the main street. I don't know what it is

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going to be. So let's go and have a look. Yes, no river anymore. Just a

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whole lot of sludge. Pretty devastated really. What a mess. This

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is from inside the sweetie shop that's next door to us. All the nice

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biscuits. And all the lovely Christmas hampers. Everything has

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been washed off that bottom floor. This is Julie trying to get things

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sorted out and this is June and poor June and June is out of her house as

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well. She has been flooded out of her house in Victoria Court. And all

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the lovely display and all this is going to have to go because it is

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contaminated. It is a shame. This is the butcher's. As you can see,

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everything is spoiled. All the refrigeration has to go out. A big

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clean up in order. All those Christmas turkeys, all that

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Christmas stock, here is Mr Harrison now. What are you going to do about

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Christmas now? What's going to happen with Christmas. I will be

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open tomorrow. Good. Excellent. This is Jonty and Fiona's shop again.

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There is a little bit of water there and it is sludge all the way back.

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This is Fiona and this is Jonty. What's the next step? Well...

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Dehumid fires and cleaners and start moving the damaged stock out. Later

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this morning, we will be open for business. All the children's wellies

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and things from the window display. This is the counter all destroyed

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and the lovely pyjamas ruined. What a shame. This is our lovely local

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bookshop on main street. And this corner bit is where all the

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children's books are. On a Wednesday morning, this area here which has

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been cleaned up already beautifully is where all our toddlers sit and

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they have their story time on a Wednesday morning and it is horrible

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to see everything in a state of disarray and everything ruined and

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all the lovely stock they had in for Christmas. It is a sad sign,

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especially when it is children's books, but there is lots and lots

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and lots of helpers. Everyone is coming to help out which is nice and

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it is actually quite typical of Cockermouth. This is the newsagents.

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Look, they have cleaned up and they are all ready for business already.

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That's absolutely amazing. Thank you very much, Helen for doing that for

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us. Let's talk to Jo and Julia Clifford

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and Jonty, the toy shop owner from Cockermouth and the Mayor of

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Tewkesbury. Tewkesbury experienced really bad flooding in 2007 and we

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thought we would bring you together so John in a moment, you could, you

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know, if you felt able, talk to Jonty and Jo and Julia about what to

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do. Julia and Jo, you have been running this fitness centre in

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Carlisle for eight years. What state is it in now? Well, unfortunately,

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we haven't been able to get down there yet this morning. I do know

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that all, we are in the worst hit area of Carlisle. The water was

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pumped out last night. So a couple of other people that have businesses

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down there are down there now so until I can actually get down, we

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are on our way down as soon as we finish with you, the water was up to

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the ceiling so we have lost absolutely everything in our

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business. We know that, but until we get down there today, I guess we

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won't see if there is anything we can salvage at all. Are you Julia or

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Jo? I'm Julia. Nice to talk to you. Jo, are you insured? Well, we have

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got the basic insurance. However, when we were asked about, if we

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wanted to take out flood insurance because of the floods in 2005, we

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are in the biggest dip I guess in the city, it was really expensive

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and we thought it will never happen again. Well, we were told it would

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never happen again by the Environment Agency. It is once in

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100 years. I think most of the small businesses around there have said

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no, because the insurance was really expensive, being a high risk area.

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No, we are not insured against floods. I know you say you haven't

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been down there yet, Julia, can you give us an estimate of how much this

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flood will have cost in terms of damage to your business?

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Well, the entire business, I guess. We're lucky inasmuch as we have 100

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plus members and we have managed to contact every single one of them via

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phone yesterday. We spent the best part of eight hours on the phone

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calling our members and every single member, because we're small, and

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intimate, and we give the personalised care they have all

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agreed to stand by us, we have got on our Facebook meet you down there

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at 11.30am for the major clean-up, if we estimated on our machines and

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computers and everything else, maybe 25, ?30,000. ?25,000, ?30,000.

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That's a nightmare the that's an absolute nightmare. You sound really

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pragmatic. But this must be incredibly stressful? Well, we

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haven't slept for the best part of three days hence looking like this,

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but I think the fact that I have to three days hence looking like this,

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say first of all the human side of this is... Community spirit.

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Community spirit. We're southerners, but we have been adopted up here for

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the last eight years is phenomenal as usual it is the small people on

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the ground that are the ones that have been phenomenal and given, you

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know, I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

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are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

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when it comes to other countries that are affected in, you know,

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tragedies, or plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other

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countries. So I just hope to god that the Government do something for

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us for a change. OK. Jonty, it is astonishing that you're

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opening later today. That's fantastic.

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Well, we didn't get fully hit, we only got two-and-a-half three foot

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and we went through this six years ago. We are quite experienced. We

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know what we're doing. We were on the phones as soon as the water

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starting coming in. We have got the carpets coming up behind me as we

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speak and as soon as that's done and it is safe for people to come back

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in, the doors will be open. It is the support of the community that

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gives you the strength and we're lucky too because it is just our

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business. Our home is not flooded. We have friends and customers who

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are staring at sodden walls and wondering where to start this

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morning. So, you have to count your blessings really. Do you mind me

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asking if you're insured, Jonty? I am. I'm lucky. But a lot of

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businesses aren't and a lot of householders aren't, not because

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they didn't want to be, but because the premiums were either

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unaffordable or not even offered and the Government's flood Re Scheme,

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they have taken six years to get it into operation, it will start next

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year, but for everyone flooded in Cumbria, that's 12 months too late.

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It certainly is. John, welcome. These kind of stories must sound

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really familiar to you. You had three-and-a-half feet of water in

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your house back in 2007. Are you able to give some practical advice

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particularly to Jo and Julia who have not experienced this before?

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I don't think I feel it would be impertinent to give them advice

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really, but just to tell you about our experience. We were insured

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thank god, but the insurance premiums doubled afterwards and so

:28:46.:28:50.

did the amount we had to pay before we got the money from them. But the

:28:51.:28:56.

cost to us in 2007, the total cost of the flood was over ?60,000

:28:57.:29:02.

because the whole of the bottom part of our house was wiped out. I would

:29:03.:29:06.

echo exactly what everybody says about community feeling. In

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Tewkesbury what made it wonderful, it was a dreadful experience, but

:29:10.:29:14.

what made it possible to live through and made it quite positive

:29:15.:29:18.

was the extraordinary atmosphere the town had and I'm sure that seems to

:29:19.:29:22.

be the case in Cockermouth and places in Cumbria. How long did it

:29:23.:29:27.

take? How long did it take you to get back on your feet as it were?

:29:28.:29:35.

Well, we were living upstairs, it was like being a student at the age

:29:36.:29:40.

of 58! We lived upstairs in a couple of bedrooms for nearly eight months.

:29:41.:29:47.

So it was quite interesting. Interesting is a diplomatic word you

:29:48.:29:50.

are awes using. What was it really like? Well, it was stressful. To be

:29:51.:29:57.

perfectly honest, it was ghastly. I got used to Marks Spencer's ready

:29:58.:29:59.

meals because we didn't have a cooker! I quite liked their ready

:30:00.:30:04.

meals, but I don't know if I am allowed to say it on the BBC! Of

:30:05.:30:08.

course, you are. Don't be daft. But a lot of people in Tewkesbury were

:30:09.:30:12.

forced into caravans and some people forced to live out of town and the

:30:13.:30:17.

place became a kind of hotspot for every cowboy builder in the country

:30:18.:30:22.

with which is a danger because you are desperate to get people to do

:30:23.:30:25.

things, you end up with some builders, not all, we were lucky we

:30:26.:30:29.

had a good builder, but some builders are dreadful and that's

:30:30.:30:32.

something to be conscious of, I think.

:30:33.:30:38.

Jo, Julia, you have got to be it in for the long haul, clearly? Oh,

:30:39.:30:42.

absolutely and we do appreciate this is going to take sometime. And like

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I said, you know, I have already been in touch with the British

:30:48.:30:52.

Chamber of Commerce and Cumbria growth hub, they have promised there

:30:53.:30:57.

will be some sort of support and advice for small businesses because

:30:58.:31:02.

it is as usual, you know, it is the small businesses affected because as

:31:03.:31:06.

everybody clearly stated nobody can afford if you're running a small

:31:07.:31:09.

business, nobody can afford the premiums that the insurance

:31:10.:31:12.

companies take advantage of once this has happened in a particular

:31:13.:31:13.

area. Briefly, what would it have cost you

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per month to get insurance? About ?175 on top of what we'd pay. So

:31:24.:31:30.

over the time, that is a lot of money. Can I add something. It's

:31:31.:31:34.

going to take longer than you think to get back into your premises.

:31:35.:31:39.

Start looking for alternative premises, get new sqiment on short

:31:40.:31:42.

leases because the most valuable asset you have is your membership,

:31:43.:31:46.

the community of your membership, and that is not just an asset from

:31:47.:31:49.

the work point of view but they will support you. So try and get up and

:31:50.:31:55.

running somewhere else, Cumbria County, the nuclear partners, all of

:31:56.:31:59.

them are coming forward with schemes to offer temporary premises to

:32:00.:32:03.

people, so they're people that really this morning you should be

:32:04.:32:07.

trying to get in touch with. Thank you, Johnny, that is very much

:32:08.:32:12.

appreciated, thank you -- onty. Thank you very much all of you --

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Jonty. The town is having its Taste Cumbria

:32:20.:32:26.

weekend, which is going ahead. Business as usual. Thank you very

:32:27.:32:27.

much. Still to come today, Donald Trump,

:32:28.:32:31.

one of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

:32:32.:32:35.

should be banned from entering the US until the authorities can,

:32:36.:32:38.

as he puts it, "figure out" A transgender woman sent to

:32:39.:32:42.

an all-male prison has told this programme she was frightened she was

:32:43.:32:49.

going to be raped inside with male prisoners asking

:32:50.:32:52.

her for sexual favours. 26-year-old Tara Hudson was

:32:53.:32:56.

jailed for 12 weeks after she She was moved to a female prison

:32:57.:32:58.

after a petition calling for her to be relocated, gathered

:32:59.:33:04.

more than 150,000 signatures. She told me what life was

:33:05.:33:07.

like inside prison. It was a bad experience. You asked

:33:08.:33:33.

me because obviously I was there for six weeks. What happened with the

:33:34.:33:42.

male inmates? It was really, really scary. In what way? Well, I didn't

:33:43.:33:47.

know what they were going to do to me. I feared being raped. I was

:33:48.:33:53.

subject to sexual harassment. It was really difficult for me. Right. What

:33:54.:33:58.

kind of things, if you don't mind me asking, would other inmates say to

:33:59.:34:02.

you? They would want me to show my bust. And did you complain to the

:34:03.:34:11.

authorities? I wasn't given the opportunity. The officers didn't

:34:12.:34:16.

care much. When you were told you were going to this particular jail,

:34:17.:34:20.

which is a jail for men, what was your reaction? Fear and shock. I

:34:21.:34:34.

didn't think it would happen to me. But did you say, I'm Tara, I

:34:35.:34:39.

identify as a woman and have done for over half a decade? I did. When

:34:40.:34:45.

they brought me down from the dock, I told them, I'm transgender, you

:34:46.:34:50.

know, how are we going to deal with the situation, because at first they

:34:51.:34:56.

told me I was going to a female prison and I didn't end up there.

:34:57.:35:02.

I ended up at the male prison. And the officers would call you Mister?

:35:03.:35:14.

They would call me Mister Tara Hudson which I've not heard the

:35:15.:35:19.

phrase Mister in such a long time, I was outraged and so angry. I was

:35:20.:35:27.

angry because of the hypocrisy of it all. You were sent to prison because

:35:28.:35:31.

you are still legal hi a man that,'s what it says on your birth

:35:32.:35:35.

certificate. You still have a penis, you are still legally a man? Yes.

:35:36.:35:41.

And you don't have a gender recognition certificate? I guess so.

:35:42.:35:43.

What I'm Capel paining for at the recognition certificate? I guess so.

:35:44.:35:51.

moment is for the change of the gender certificates -- campaigning

:35:52.:35:54.

for. You want it scrapped? Updated. In what way? In the '80s,

:35:55.:35:59.

transgender people were a lot less likely to come out of the closet and

:36:00.:36:05.

they would live their lives as male, but it's 2015, transgender is in the

:36:06.:36:11.

Spotlight, we're here and people can see we're here, so why should I have

:36:12.:36:16.

to jump through so many hoops to identify who I am? In a legal sense?

:36:17.:36:22.

I know who I am, I don't need to sit in front of a board and prove to

:36:23.:36:29.

these people who I am. For the certificate, it's, you have to prove

:36:30.:36:32.

that you have been living as a female for over two years. They can

:36:33.:36:36.

look on my Facebook and see that I've been living as a female for

:36:37.:36:41.

over half a decade. If you didn't have the certificate though, if it

:36:42.:36:45.

was scrapped which is what you are now going to campaign for, I wonder

:36:46.:36:48.

if the system could be open to abuse, somebody could say, a man

:36:49.:36:52.

could say they are a transgender woman in order to be sent to a

:36:53.:36:57.

female prison? This is why I said to you before that there should be a GP

:36:58.:37:03.

involved, of course, most definitely, but there doesn't have

:37:04.:37:06.

to be the gender recognition certificate. A GP can clarify

:37:07.:37:13.

whether that person is, what gender role they are living in, you know.

:37:14.:37:20.

There are no official figure force the numbers of transgender people in

:37:21.:37:25.

jail but it's thought to be around 80, something like that. Over the

:37:26.:37:30.

last couple of months, two other male-to-female trans-prisoners were

:37:31.:37:35.

found dead in all-male jails. How do you respond to that? Sorry, my eyes

:37:36.:37:46.

well up because I think about those two girls that committed suicide and

:37:47.:37:52.

I was close myself but I was a tough person and I made it through. If you

:37:53.:38:00.

want to keep persecuting transgender people and you want to keep pushing

:38:01.:38:06.

them to the edge where they want to take their own lives and where they

:38:07.:38:10.

are taking their own lives, carry on with the gender recognition

:38:11.:38:12.

certificate, but it's not how it should be.

:38:13.:38:16.

Thank you very much for talking to us.

:38:17.:38:30.

A Prison Service spokesperson told us:

:38:31.:38:55.

A petition reaches 91,000 names to remove Tyson Fury from the BBC

:38:56.:39:09.

Sports personality of the year list, the numbers are going up. Text from

:39:10.:39:12.

Phil, I don't agree, but he's the only one with a personality, the

:39:13.:39:16.

others are robot who is say what others want to hear. A texter says,

:39:17.:39:19.

it's about time someone had the nerve to speak his mind, sick of

:39:20.:39:23.

this mittically correct nonsense and all the lefty idiots that promote

:39:24.:39:28.

it. John e-mails, Tyson's opinions are just that, his opinions. Spotty

:39:29.:39:33.

is about recognising sporting achievements and personalities. To

:39:34.:39:37.

those offended, it's not his fault you are offended, it's yours, I will

:39:38.:39:43.

vote for Tyson as he's shown not only is he a sporting legend, he per

:39:44.:39:49.

sizes his right to freedom of speech and opinions and he's willing to

:39:50.:39:53.

back his speeches all the way instead of doing a political U-turn.

:39:54.:39:59.

Another says, his name must appear on the short list so the population

:40:00.:40:03.

can decide, controlling the list of candidates is the tactic of

:40:04.:40:08.

dictatorships. If you want to talk to us about Tyson, write on your

:40:09.:40:12.

text, e-mail or Tweet, call me, and that is what we'll do.

:40:13.:40:15.

A Hospital Trust has apologised for placing a "Do Not Resuscitate"

:40:16.:40:19.

order against the name of a patient with Down's Syndrome.

:40:20.:40:22.

Our Health Correspondent Jane Dreaper can tell us more.

:40:23.:40:31.

I've had a lot of people get in touch about this in shock. Andrew

:40:32.:40:38.

Waters went into hospital in Margate in 2011. He had tell men that. He

:40:39.:40:42.

was around 50 years of age and need add special tube to help with his

:40:43.:40:47.

feeding, but he'd had a good quality of life, lots of hobbies and enjoyed

:40:48.:40:51.

doing some paid work as well. His family spoke so warmly about the

:40:52.:40:55.

life he'd enjoyed. They only found out about the order saying he

:40:56.:41:00.

shouldn't be resuscitated once he was discharged from hospital, one of

:41:01.:41:04.

his carers found the form folded up in his bag and it listed his Down's

:41:05.:41:08.

Syndrome and learning difficulties among the reasons for that

:41:09.:41:12.

resuscitation notice. The family were horrified. His brother Michael

:41:13.:41:17.

told me about the family's reaction to finding the resuscitation notice.

:41:18.:41:24.

For someone to make that decision without actually consulting a member

:41:25.:41:30.

of the family or any one of his carers was just totally

:41:31.:41:33.

unacceptable. No-one has the right to make such a decision in such a

:41:34.:41:39.

disgraceful way. To put those reasons down, no-one deserves that

:41:40.:41:44.

and, you know, there was nothing wrong with his health really at the

:41:45.:41:49.

time that would have any effect on resuscitation. People with Down's

:41:50.:41:52.

Syndrome, they are no different from anybody else at the end of the day,

:41:53.:41:56.

they deserve the right to live like you and I would. Like I say, there

:41:57.:42:05.

are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the feelings

:42:06.:42:15.

or what they experience. With Andrew, he couldn't tell you when he

:42:16.:42:19.

was ill, he couldn't even tell you if he had a cold or sore throat, you

:42:20.:42:24.

know, he couldn't say, I don't feel very well, because they don't give

:42:25.:42:30.

that away. Looking back now, do you feel this case has sort of proved

:42:31.:42:35.

something to yourselves as a family and to the wider world about the

:42:36.:42:41.

family of Andrew's life -- about Andrew's life? I hope so, because

:42:42.:42:46.

they bring a lot of joy and happiness. You can't take that away

:42:47.:42:52.

from anybody at the end of the day. Andrew, you know, never ever had a

:42:53.:42:58.

bad word to say about anyone, he was always happy go-lucky, you know,

:42:59.:43:02.

made everybody smile, everybody that he came across, always had a smile

:43:03.:43:09.

for him. He was probably the happiest person I ever knew.

:43:10.:43:15.

The motivation behind these orders can often be a well-meaning one.

:43:16.:43:19.

They often want to spare patients from what can be a brutal process

:43:20.:43:23.

and of course resuscitation doesn't always work, but in this case it

:43:24.:43:29.

really upset the family because his health wasn't in any imminent danger

:43:30.:43:33.

and they felt as though he'd been written off when they were not

:43:34.:43:37.

consulted about the case. The lawyer that's pursued this case says it

:43:38.:43:42.

underlines that if a patient such as Andrew doesn't have capacity to make

:43:43.:43:46.

their own decisions, doctors and medical staff must talk to the

:43:47.:43:50.

family, the carers. Other cases have underlined that, once again we see

:43:51.:43:54.

it in the courts and let's hope the hospitals follow suit.

:43:55.:43:55.

Thank you very much. In a statement,

:43:56.:43:57.

East Kent Hospitals University NHS It's coming up 2010 o'clock which

:43:58.:44:26.

means it's time for the weather. It's even more important isn't it,

:44:27.:44:33.

Phil? -- up 2010 o'clock. It looks scenic here in Cumbria

:44:34.:44:38.

until you look closely. Quite dark, but blimey. You can see the tide

:44:39.:44:42.

line on that particular residence as well. So despite the blue skies,

:44:43.:44:48.

yes, we were in record territory. The headline was made yesterday

:44:49.:44:56.

lunch time When we had the figures in, Honister made the 24-hour

:44:57.:45:04.

record. Can I have that in feet? About 30-odd inches, so 2'6"ish.

:45:05.:45:10.

OK. I want to put it in historical

:45:11.:45:18.

context. There is the new record, 24 hour totals remember, and some of

:45:19.:45:21.

these events were longer. In 2009, just down the road from Honister,

:45:22.:45:34.

216, but 180 mill metres. Everybody said that was a once in a lifetime.

:45:35.:45:39.

Everybody said it could be at risk from further episodes, that is when

:45:40.:45:43.

the flood defences were beefed up. But if, and I don't know the context

:45:44.:45:49.

of this, but if you were working on that basis, you then begin to see

:45:50.:45:54.

the context of where we are now, hence the difficulties. Again, I

:45:55.:45:58.

make no excuses for anybody in this, but you can see the problem about,

:45:59.:46:02.

how big are the defences, where do they go and on which river. You

:46:03.:46:08.

think about the topography of the Cumbrian fells and I want to further

:46:09.:46:12.

contextualise this, if I may bring you up-to-date with what happened

:46:13.:46:16.

overnight, because this is further rainfall, a weather front moving

:46:17.:46:21.

through the area. That produced 15-20mm or so.

:46:22.:46:33.

The last of that rain hanging on as we speak. Brighter skies follow on

:46:34.:46:39.

behind, but on this bigger picture, you get the sense that we have

:46:40.:46:43.

further pretty hefty showers to be had across western parts. They will

:46:44.:46:46.

be there this afternoon across the moors of the south-west, but

:46:47.:46:49.

generally a fresher feel to the day, despite the fact that some

:46:50.:46:52.

temperatures are good for the time of year. From North Wales,

:46:53.:46:56.

northwards and up into the north-west of England and through

:46:57.:46:59.

Northern Ireland for a time, and certainly across the western side of

:47:00.:47:03.

Scotland here, the showers ganging together to give longer spells of

:47:04.:47:07.

rain and maybe snow above 300 or 400 meters and we are looking at the

:47:08.:47:11.

potential for the odd rumble of thunder. It is not without sunshine,

:47:12.:47:15.

it is a half decent day provided you don't get caught with the showers.

:47:16.:47:24.

And then a new area of cloud and rain coming back in helping to lift

:47:25.:47:27.

the temperatures later in the night. As you step out first thing, it

:47:28.:47:32.

won't be as chilly as you expect. This is persistent rain and it is

:47:33.:47:35.

coming in the form of weather fronts and notice the number of isobars

:47:36.:47:43.

there. This is more significant rain. Over

:47:44.:47:47.

the higher ground of the north-west of England and Western Scotland we

:47:48.:47:52.

could be looking at 80 mill meet he is and that's why this is the

:47:53.:47:55.

greatest concern of the week, but not quite the same beast. There is

:47:56.:48:00.

movement here. I'm taking you through Thursday, the last of the

:48:01.:48:04.

mild air trapped in the south. What follows behind, brighter, fresher

:48:05.:48:07.

conditions, a greater chance of snow fall on the Scottish hills. Again

:48:08.:48:12.

above a few hundred meters. There is quite a bit going on. Wednesday is

:48:13.:48:15.

the day of concern. There will be rain at times. It will be windy

:48:16.:48:19.

especially on Wednesday. It will turn cooler as we move towards the

:48:20.:48:23.

later part of the week. If you have got any concerns at all, we have our

:48:24.:48:30.

weather website. When you see the red boxes on there, that's where you

:48:31.:48:35.

can get the latest because we never close on the weather warnings and on

:48:36.:48:38.

the flood warnings. So we're keeping a close eye on the weather

:48:39.:48:41.

situation. If it is relevant to you, I hope you do too.

:48:42.:48:52.

Hello. It's just after 10am. It's Tuesday.

:48:53.:48:54.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:48:55.:48:57.

American Presidential hopeful, Donald Trump is slammed from all

:48:58.:49:00.

sides after saying Muslims should be banned from entering the country.

:49:01.:49:04.

Donald Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims

:49:05.:49:12.

entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

:49:13.:49:13.

out what the hell is going on. We'll have reaction to

:49:14.:49:17.

his outburst and ask whether some US Over 90,000 people have signed

:49:18.:49:19.

a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the BBC's Sports

:49:20.:49:25.

Personality of the Year shortlist. So should his controversial comments

:49:26.:49:27.

affect the recognition he receives Tyson Fury makes history. He becomes

:49:28.:49:48.

the first from a gypsy travellers background to win one of the most

:49:49.:49:54.

coveted prizes in sport, the self-styled gypsy king is the

:49:55.:50:02.

heavyweight champion of the world. We will talk to Tyson Fury's uncle

:50:03.:50:07.

and trainer shortly. More heavy rain is on the way -

:50:08.:50:08.

the last thing those whose homes have been destroyed in the floods,

:50:09.:50:12.

want to hear. As usual it is the small people on

:50:13.:50:20.

the ground are the ones who have been phenomenal and given, you

:50:21.:50:23.

notion I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

:50:24.:50:26.

are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

:50:27.:50:31.

when it comes to other countries that are affected in tragedies or

:50:32.:50:35.

plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other countries. So I just

:50:36.:50:41.

hope to god that the Government do something for us for a change.

:50:42.:50:48.

Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

:50:49.:50:53.

of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

:50:54.:50:56.

16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

:50:57.:50:59.

Oscar peus storious's lawyer said he will appeal his murder conviction.

:51:00.:51:25.

The accused submit to the house arrest and may leave the house

:51:26.:51:36.

between 7am and 12 midday. He is only allowed to travel within the

:51:37.:51:41.

radius of 20 kilometres from the house.

:51:42.:51:48.

US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

:51:49.:51:50.

from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

:51:51.:51:53.

The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

:51:54.:51:55.

A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

:51:56.:51:59.

The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

:52:00.:52:04.

only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

:52:05.:52:11.

Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

:52:12.:52:14.

combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

:52:15.:52:19.

and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

:52:20.:52:21.

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

:52:22.:52:23.

officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

:52:24.:52:30.

Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

:52:31.:52:35.

We had the draw for the third round of the FA Cup

:52:36.:52:37.

last night, that's when the top teams find out who they've got.

:52:38.:52:40.

The holders Arsenal will face another Premier

:52:41.:52:42.

Eastleigh are the only non-league side definitely

:52:43.:52:44.

The three other minnows still standing have all got second round

:52:45.:52:50.

replays to get past, Whitehawk have the greatest incentive.

:52:51.:52:54.

The Brighton based club, that play in the sixth tier

:52:55.:53:01.

The winner of the replay will have a trip to Premier League Everton.

:53:02.:53:15.

I wanted the reds, but we got the blues. It is a tough, tough game to

:53:16.:53:21.

get through and with Dagenham as well, they are going to fancy their

:53:22.:53:26.

chances big time. It is a massive carrot for whoever gets through.

:53:27.:53:29.

Everybody is going to want to play in that game. It is 50/50 and it is

:53:30.:53:34.

the best on the day and whoever gets through and it will be a tough test

:53:35.:53:36.

to get past them. So a trip to Goodison the prize,

:53:37.:53:38.

there was a match there last night and Romelu Lukaku scored

:53:39.:53:41.

his 50th goal for Everton in It was the equaliser against Crystal

:53:42.:53:43.

Palace in the Premier League. Starting tonight,

:53:44.:53:50.

it's the final round of group Four English teams involved,

:53:51.:54:01.

only Manchester City are sure Both Manchester Clubs are playing

:54:02.:54:06.

tonight, United have to win away I have the experience as a manager

:54:07.:54:18.

that the goals shall come because when you are creating chances at the

:54:19.:54:24.

end you shall score and finish that kind of chances and that's why we

:54:25.:54:29.

have that belief and it is a matter of time.

:54:30.:54:32.

Great Britain's women don't have to beat Australia at the Hockey World

:54:33.:54:36.

League finals to get out of their group, but it would avoid

:54:37.:54:41.

They're yet to win a match at the tournament in

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Argentina, but this afternoon's game marks a comeback for Christa Cullen.

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She retired after winning a bronze medal with the team at the London

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Olympics, she went off to work in animal conservation in Kenya, she

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It is not a position any athlete year and this will be her first

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It is not a position any athlete wants to be in sitting on the

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sidelines watching the girls play and frustrated is an under

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statement, but at the same time, you know, it is where I was at. I have

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got to accept it. Get on the pitch and really do my bit for the time.

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That's what they expect from me. The Wales rugby union fly-half

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Dan Biggar is the BBC Wales Sports He's had a fantastic year, playing a

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key role at the World Cup as Wales His

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kicking was the difference in the victory against England Biggar, who

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has a rather quirky kicking routine, also shone during the Six Nations

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where Wales just missed out on the title to Ireland despite

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winning four matches out of five. That's all your sport. I will be

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back with the headlines at 10.30am. You have been telling us whether you

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want Britain's new heavy world champion to be dropped from the

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shortlist of the BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

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Tyson Fury has been criticised for sexist and homophobic comments.

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On women he has said, "I believe a woman's best place is

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He also compared homosexuality to paedophilia saying,

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"There are only three things that need to be accomplished

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One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries.

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One of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia.

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Who would have thought in the 1950s and 1960s that those

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Effectively saying that if those three things were legalised,

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On Jessica Ennis-Hill he said she looks good when she has a dress on.

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If it is about personality, I should win this hands down. If it is about

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sporting achievements I should win this hands down. There has been no

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other heavyweight in a long, long, long time or boxer from England who

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has been to a super champions back yard, the reigning heavyweight

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champion of the world for 11 years who is going down in history as one

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of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time in people's opinions and

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I have been to Germany and his own back garden and dethroned him and

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I'm representing Great Britain and Ireland. There has never ever been

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that before, so that's an achievement that will never ever be

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done again. The criticism is about the comments afterwards saying

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Jessica Ennis-Hill slaps up good, looks good in a dress and a woman's

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best place is in the kitchen and on her back? Well, I did say that. Can

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you just rephrase the statement. She looks good when she has got make-up.

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Is that a crime when I say I think a woman looks good in a dress. The

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comment is maybe on how Jessica looks rather than on her

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achievements? I was asked a question about Jessica Ennis and I think she

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looks fit in a dress. That's my opinion. If there is people who

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thinks she looks ugly well they should keep their opinion to say

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themselves. There is another comment. Keep them coming. You say

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that there are three things that need to be accomplished before the

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devil comes home meaning I think the devil takes charge of everything and

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one is home sexuality being legal? Home sexuality and abortion and

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paedophilia. Them three things need to be accomplished before the world

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finishes. Now, that's what the Bible tells me, right? So it may take a

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while before them three things have to be accomplished, but make no

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mistake, them three things must be accomplished before the world

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finishes, whether it takes 1,000 years, 2,000, two days, who knows

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how long it will take. Them three things need to be accomplished,

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those aren't my opinions, I didn't say that, that's what the Bible

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tells me. That's all I said. I didn't say I had a problem with

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homosexuals or abortionists, I didn't say I'm with it or against

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it, I just stated what I am taught through my scriptures.

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Thank you for talking to us. It is an outstanding sporting achievement.

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Unbelievably brilliant. I think everybody agrees on that. What do

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you think about this petition to remove Tyson's name from the

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shortlist? It is up to everybody's opinion is

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how they perceive Tyson, you know, if you're trying to get everybody to

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like you then it is a poor job, you know. There is a lot of people out

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there and everybody has got a different opinion, a different view

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on everybody's comments. It just depends how they view it and they

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will be for and against winning the competition. So there is not much I

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can really add to it. Do you think he should be withdrawn from the

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shortlist? No, I don't think. He gives his opinions. He hasn't got a

:00:21.:00:25.

key in his back, he is not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we're in

:00:26.:00:30.

2015, and you know, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his

:00:31.:00:33.

actions and you know, move on from there, but he is entitled to his

:00:34.:00:37.

opinion just like everybody else has got theirs, it is not against the

:00:38.:00:41.

law. Let me read comments from our viewers watching around the country.

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Kevin says, "I don't care who wins, but surely people should be allowed

:00:45.:00:48.

to vote for whom ever they wish. After all, it is called sports

:00:49.:00:53.

personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his personality." Martin

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says, "Tyson Fury deserves award. As for his utterances it should

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undermine the joy he brought to boxing enthusiasts." And Pat says,

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"The words of Tyson Fury are sick. His achievements as an athlete have

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been recognised by celebrating his ignorance is totally unacceptable."

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Is that fair? Well, he's not giving his own

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opinion. He's going off what the scriptures say. It's the conflating,

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for some people, of homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand

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how that can be insidious and offensive to some people? I think a

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lot of things Tyson says and what it means can be read the wrong way. Of

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course paedophilia is nothing like homosexuality, you know, there's a

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vast, vast difference, there's no similarities whatsoever. Give us an

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insight then, Peter, into what he was trying to say?

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PROBLEM WITH SOUND Homosexuality is an abomination,

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that is what it states in the Bible. It states abortion is the same and

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paedophilia with children is the same. Maybe he's come to the

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assumption himself that, you know, this is what he sees. That is all I

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can say, but he's not putting them, you know, he's not saying in his own

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view that homosexuality is anything like paedophilia, you know. Maybe he

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should refrain from saying that, I think he should and I think he needs

:02:52.:02:54.

to address it properly and explain to the people out there exactly what

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he does mean. Right. And apologise possibly? Well, yes, if it's coming

:03:01.:03:07.

out exactly like that, that paedophilia is the same as

:03:08.:03:11.

homosexuality, there does need to be some kind of redress.

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Would he come on the programme and talk about it with a British track

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and field athlete who, at the moment I'm not going to name, but who's

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told me that he thinks he should be removed from the short list for

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Sports Personality of the Year? I think mainly our culture and

:03:29.:03:32.

religions is what it is but everyone's given a free will in this

:03:33.:03:38.

world to do exactly as they want and people's genders, behaviour, should

:03:39.:03:43.

be respected. So if anybody's been put out by these comments, then they

:03:44.:03:49.

should be addressed and Tyson needs to explain exactly what he does mean

:03:50.:03:53.

in-depth. I want to play you this clip. I know you know about this

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clip, it's an interview with IFL Television where he's talking about

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an interview he gave with the Mail on Sunday sports journalist Oliver

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Holt. Our audience may not have seen it, so here it is. Oliver Holt tried

:04:09.:04:19.

to get me into trouble and it didn't work. 6'6" and 25 stone, he's going

:04:20.:04:27.

to break his jaw completely with one straight right hand. I ain't going

:04:28.:04:30.

to do it because I'll get in trouble, but the big fella there,

:04:31.:04:34.

he'll an nigh rate him. So Oliver, take a good look at him, that's the

:04:35.:04:38.

face you are going to see before you hit the deck. I know you say that is

:04:39.:04:45.

a joke, he was joking, Tyson was joking, does it really come across

:04:46.:04:49.

as a joke? It does when you are watching it and see it on IFL when

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everybody is laughing and making jokes and even what Tyson is saying,

:04:55.:05:02.

you know, I wouldn't get in trouble because somebody else would do it.

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So the reality and everything else, he's setting off talking sensible,

:05:07.:05:11.

then he breaks into jest. These jesting remarks are being taken

:05:12.:05:16.

somewhat seriously when they shouldn't be, but also Tyson needs

:05:17.:05:19.

to realise now, because some jesting can be taken the other way. He needs

:05:20.:05:24.

to take stock of what he says now and only speak what he really means,

:05:25.:05:29.

rather than joking around. And even more so now he's in this incredibly

:05:30.:05:33.

powerful position in terms of the way people will listen to what he

:05:34.:05:37.

says because of his sporting achievement? Look, you know, I'm his

:05:38.:05:48.

uncle, my personal opinion, homosexuality, abortion,

:05:49.:05:51.

paedophilia, it's not for me, but that's my personal thing. I have

:05:52.:05:57.

nothing against homosexuals or people having abortions, that's up

:05:58.:06:01.

to them, we don't know the circumstances, everything's all

:06:02.:06:04.

about circumstances, so this is a big free world we live in and people

:06:05.:06:08.

should be let to live their own ways. People mainly need to keep

:06:09.:06:12.

their beliefs probably to themselves. Have you told him that?

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We have had a few discussions and Tyson is his own man and I think

:06:21.:06:27.

he's one of these, Tyson, where it's hard for people to get a grip of his

:06:28.:06:34.

personality. Sometimes what he truly believes comes out the wrong way, so

:06:35.:06:38.

he needs to sit back, think back about what he says and if it's

:06:39.:06:41.

offending people, he needs to actress it. Thank you very much for

:06:42.:06:50.

talking to us. Thanks for Al your comments.

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Still to come before 11, we'll hear from a woman who lost custody of her

:06:52.:06:54.

daughter - after a Judge ruled the girl should live with her biological

:06:55.:06:58.

One of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

:06:59.:07:05.

should be banned from entering the United States including Muslim

:07:06.:07:08.

Donald Trump who is hoping to be the Republican candidate for

:07:09.:07:13.

President called for a "total and complete" shutdown should remain

:07:14.:07:16.

until the US authorities "can figure out" Muslim attitudes to the US.

:07:17.:07:27.

Donald J Trump is calling for a total, complete shutdown of Muslims

:07:28.:07:35.

entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

:07:36.:07:37.

out what the hell is going on. We have no choice. We have no

:07:38.:07:47.

choice. His comments follow last week's

:07:48.:07:51.

deadly shootings in California where a Muslim couple,

:07:52.:07:53.

believed to have been radicalised, opened fire and killed 14 people

:07:54.:07:57.

at a health centre for disabled Republican Jeb Bush, who's also

:07:58.:08:01.

running for president, described Trump as "unhinged" Another

:08:02.:08:06.

Republican Senator Marco Rubio said the comments were "offensive and

:08:07.:08:11.

outlandish" South Carolina Senator Republic Senator Lindsey Graham

:08:12.:08:15.

called his views "downright dangerous" Whilst the

:08:16.:08:18.

leading Democratic candidate for President Hilary Clinton called

:08:19.:08:22.

it "reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive" Here's some more reaction

:08:23.:08:28.

to Mr Trump's idea from Nihad Awad, who's from the Council on

:08:29.:08:31.

American Islamic Relations. This rhetoric echoes the policies

:08:32.:08:44.

enacted by Nazi Germany against the juice. Have we learnt anything from

:08:45.:08:49.

history, Mr Trump? These are not just words? The mainstreaming of

:08:50.:08:57.

Islamophobia in the election is I think discrimination, hate crimes,

:08:58.:09:00.

violent attacks against Muslims and mosques. This inflammatory rhetoric

:09:01.:09:07.

is putting the lives of millions of American Muslims and their children

:09:08.:09:09.

in danger. She's the spokesperson

:09:10.:09:18.

for Republicans overseas. Kate What do you think of that? He

:09:19.:09:32.

flies on the hoof. He's made some reprehensible statements now and it

:09:33.:09:34.

will be hard for him to go back and it will be hard for him to say that

:09:35.:09:41.

he didn't mean what he said. I think he's in real trouble now. Well, he

:09:42.:09:47.

rarely goes back on what he's said and, before now, people have said, I

:09:48.:09:52.

think he's in real trouble now, his comments continue to get coverage

:09:53.:09:56.

and support? They get coverage and they get support but that support is

:09:57.:10:01.

dwindling. There is a poll out a few hours ago that Senator Ted Cruise is

:10:02.:10:04.

starting to overtake him in the polls which will be the first

:10:05.:10:08.

primary, the first vote, and his poll numbers have been going down.

:10:09.:10:15.

He's still up there, no denying that, but the sensational media fury

:10:16.:10:22.

is dwindling. We are still just at the very beginning of this. On a

:10:23.:10:26.

scale of one to ten, how racist is he? I mean personally, I find his

:10:27.:10:31.

comments reprehensible, I do believe that they are racist and they do not

:10:32.:10:37.

represent moderate Republicans. Ten? Nine, ten, I mean, he said a few

:10:38.:10:42.

months back that Mexican imgrants were rapists and murderers, now he's

:10:43.:10:48.

outdone himself. These comments are equally awful, he continues to make

:10:49.:10:53.

mistakes. I'm not sure I want to give him a ten, we don't know what

:10:54.:11:00.

will come out next. Jeb Bush and mark owe Rubio say positive things

:11:01.:11:04.

about Mexican and hiss tannic immigration, they have come out and

:11:05.:11:07.

said, we have crossed a line, this is not our party. There will be some

:11:08.:11:11.

people in America who agree with Donald Trump and the fact that he's

:11:12.:11:19.

a candidate for your nomination for the next President of America kind

:11:20.:11:24.

of gives those people who believe that about Muslims some sort of

:11:25.:11:29.

confirmation that what they think is right? This is a tough time and I

:11:30.:11:33.

will say that Trump sup importanters aren't just coming from the

:11:34.:11:37.

Republican Party, he's running as Republican, but many supporters are

:11:38.:11:41.

independents and democrats and people have never really been

:11:42.:11:44.

involved in the political process before who feel that politicians

:11:45.:11:49.

don't really represent them. He's been an excellent retaliation vote

:11:50.:11:52.

if you will, for those people. The problem is that he's in this

:11:53.:11:55.

political vacuum where no-one else is stepping up to the plate and his

:11:56.:11:59.

outrageous comments are getting coverage. The people who want to

:12:00.:12:03.

rebel against the political establishment, and I sympathise, are

:12:04.:12:07.

going to him. We need somebody far more moderate than him who can say,

:12:08.:12:11.

look, I'm going to take on the Washington insiders, I'm going to

:12:12.:12:14.

think about people like you in the streets but I'm not going to be

:12:15.:12:17.

awful and bigoted and racist in that process.

:12:18.:12:23.

If you were a Muslim woman in the States right now, would you feel a

:12:24.:12:27.

bit apprehensive wandering around the streets? What would you be

:12:28.:12:34.

thinking? I have great faith in American citizens, I believe

:12:35.:12:37.

Americans to be good people and I have great faith that fellow

:12:38.:12:41.

neighbours and people will not be going out into the streets and

:12:42.:12:44.

attacking people. But certainly if I thought that a man leading in the

:12:45.:12:49.

polls was calling for me to be put into a database because of my

:12:50.:12:53.

ethnicity or religion, calling for me to leave the country and not come

:12:54.:12:57.

back, I would certainly feel uncomfortable. George W Bush a week

:12:58.:13:02.

after 9/11 gave a beautiful speech about how Americans who were to

:13:03.:13:06.

intimidate Muslims in America were not just the worst of Americans but

:13:07.:13:10.

the worst of human kind and he said, we as Americans must be very careful

:13:11.:13:14.

to respect everybody's religion. That is what our country is founded

:13:15.:13:19.

on, the freedom to religion. So I'm hopeful that neighbours will stem up

:13:20.:13:24.

to the plate and be good to their fellow neighbours regardless of who

:13:25.:13:26.

to the plate and be good to their they are, what they look like and

:13:27.:13:28.

where they come from. Thank you very much. Let me bring you this news: A

:13:29.:13:33.

serving West Midlands police officer is going to appear before Dudley

:13:34.:13:39.

Magistrates Court charged with rape. PC Ben Clay was arrested after the

:13:40.:13:43.

allegation earlier thissier year was made. He was charged at the end of

:13:44.:13:49.

the October. The alleged offence happened while the officer was off

:13:50.:13:52.

duty. He's a neighbourhood police officer and was suspended from his

:13:53.:13:55.

position at Wolverhampton police station and he'll appear before

:13:56.:13:58.

Dudley Magistrates Court tomorrow charged with rape.

:13:59.:14:08.

The influence left-wing groups like the socialist groups are to be

:14:09.:14:12.

limited by Jeremy Corbyn. Let's talk to Norman Smith.

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This Momentum was set up by Jeremy Corbyn after he became leader and

:14:26.:14:31.

it's half in the Labour Party, half out. Some of its members are from

:14:32.:14:38.

the Labour Party, some belong to the Socialist Workers' Party or the

:14:39.:14:42.

Communist Party or whatever and it exists alongside the Labour Party

:14:43.:14:45.

and many, many Labour MPs are deeply suspicious about it. They view it as

:14:46.:14:49.

the new militant tendency, saying it's got a target list of moderate

:14:50.:14:54.

Labour MPs which it wants to cull and, in effect, it's Jeremy Corbyn's

:14:55.:15:00.

shock troops to try to reshape the Labour Party in his image.

:15:01.:15:05.

Supporters of Momentum say, absolute rubbish, it's about trying to get

:15:06.:15:08.

people involved in Labour Party politics who aren't really that

:15:09.:15:11.

interested in the Labour Party so they are trying to get involved

:15:12.:15:15.

people who may be campaigning against library closures or who're

:15:16.:15:19.

angry about food banks or who're opposed to Syria, that there is

:15:20.:15:23.

nothing sinister about it at all. That certainly was the line of their

:15:24.:15:28.

spokesman. Have a listen to what he said. By and large, I've been to

:15:29.:15:34.

many Momentum meetings and there is a positive, inclusive atmosphere

:15:35.:15:36.

whereby people do politics differently and we have groups where

:15:37.:15:39.

you have someone speaking at the front often and there is

:15:40.:15:42.

facilitation into small groups coming back together. It's generally

:15:43.:15:46.

positive, inclusive, it's new Labour Party members often or people who

:15:47.:15:50.

previously felt disengaged or people who've always been part of the

:15:51.:15:54.

Labour Party. Because of this organisation,

:15:55.:15:57.

momentum, allows people who have no interest in the Labour Party really,

:15:58.:16:01.

people who're members of the Communist Party or Socialist

:16:02.:16:04.

Workers' Party, the fear is that members of other parties are able to

:16:05.:16:08.

shape Labour Party policy, in other words to drive it ever further to

:16:09.:16:14.

the left, in effect it's being used by people who're not members of the

:16:15.:16:17.

Labour Party. So what has now been decided is that the only people who

:16:18.:16:23.

can vote and take part in Momentum meetings, which impact on the Labour

:16:24.:16:27.

Party, must also be members of the Labour Party. So does that meet all

:16:28.:16:32.

the concerns? No it doesn't. I've spoke to some Labour MP who is say

:16:33.:16:37.

that is not good enough, they ask why does the organisation even

:16:38.:16:40.

exist, if you want to be involved in the Labour Party, join it, you don't

:16:41.:16:42.

have to be part of a separate organisation. In fact, one Labour MP

:16:43.:16:47.

Steven Kinnock, blamed Momentum for much of the online abuse of a lot of

:16:48.:16:51.

the people in the Labour Party who backed the bombing in Syria, he

:16:52.:16:54.

blamed Momentum for that and suggested maybe they should be

:16:55.:16:56.

disbanded. Have a listen. Abusing Labour MPs because they took

:16:57.:17:10.

a different view on what was a very complex and emotive issue then I

:17:11.:17:13.

think that an investigation needs to be held and if that concludes that

:17:14.:17:18.

momentum is organising and organise straighting these things then I

:17:19.:17:23.

think yes, the NEC needs to rule and look to disband the organisation.

:17:24.:17:29.

The row over Momentum symbolises the rift within the Labour Party between

:17:30.:17:36.

if you like the Corbyn istas and the other, you find the Shadow

:17:37.:17:39.

Chancellor, John McDonnell, going along to meeting of Momentum, happy

:17:40.:17:44.

to address them and encourage them and you get the deputy leader of the

:17:45.:17:48.

Labour Party describing them as a rable. They are a divisive body in

:17:49.:17:53.

the heart of the Labour Party, but one that Jeremy Corbyn seems to

:17:54.:17:57.

regard as crucial to his support and his standing within the Labour

:17:58.:18:01.

Party. Norm arnings thank you very much.

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Jacqueline, this is about Tyson Fury, Jacqueline says, "Tyson Fury's

:18:13.:18:18.

views are the same as Isis. How dare the BBC put him up for sports

:18:19.:18:22.

personality." "He might be asked to talk in schools if he wents and work

:18:23.:18:27.

with young people and his views might be a problem."

:18:28.:18:29.

The majority of police forces in England and Wales are poorly

:18:30.:18:33.

equipped to deal with honour crimes according the Government's official

:18:34.:18:35.

As a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the

:18:36.:18:47.

BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist reaches 92,000 names.

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Tell what yous you think. -- tell us what you think.

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Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

:19:06.:19:08.

of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

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16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

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The lawyer for Oscar Pistorius has said he will appeal a murder verdict

:19:15.:19:21.

after judges changed his original manslaughter conviction last week.

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He has been placed under house arrest. Judges changed his

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manslaughter conviction to murder. US Presidential contender Donald

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Trump calls for Muslims to be banned from entering the country in the

:19:38.:19:40.

wake of the California shootings. The White House condemned

:19:41.:19:42.

his remarks while rival Republican A petition calling for the removal

:19:43.:19:44.

of world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury from the BBC's

:19:45.:19:50.

Sports Personality of the Year His uncle and trainer told this

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programme that his comments didn't mean he should be pulled from the

:20:14.:20:17.

shortlist. He is not a robot. There is freedom of speech. We are in

:20:18.:20:21.

2015, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his actions and you know,

:20:22.:20:26.

move on from there, but he is entitled to his opinion just like

:20:27.:20:29.

everybody else has got theirs. It is not against the law.

:20:30.:20:31.

A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

:20:32.:20:34.

The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

:20:35.:20:38.

only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

:20:39.:20:47.

Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

:20:48.:20:50.

combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

:20:51.:20:51.

and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

:20:52.:20:55.

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

:20:56.:20:57.

officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

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Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

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The FA Cup third round draw was made last night.

:21:15.:21:16.

Holders Arsenal will face fellow Prmier League side Sunderland,

:21:17.:21:21.

That's if they can get past their second round replay

:21:22.:21:25.

There was a match at Goodison Park last night as Everton drew 1-1

:21:26.:21:33.

against Crystal Palace in the Premier League.

:21:34.:21:35.

Romelu Lukaku scored the their equaliser, his 50th goal for

:21:36.:21:43.

Everton in his 100th appearance for the club.

:21:44.:21:45.

Manchester United have to beat Wolfsburg in Germany tonight

:21:46.:22:00.

to qualify for the last 16 in the Champions League.

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Manchester City are already through,

:22:05.:22:10.

Christa Cullen will play her first competitive international in three

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years for Great Britain's women's hockey team today - Britain face

:22:15.:22:17.

Australia in their last group game at the World League Finals

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A mother who lost custody of her daughter after a judge ruled the

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girl should live with her biological father and his male partner has told

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this programme people should think very carefully before entering

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The High Court judgement followed a legal dispute over the nature

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of the parents' agreement when the child was conceived.

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The father said that the woman had agreed to be

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The mother said that the father had agreed to be a sperm donor.

:22:43.:22:52.

The family court judge, Ms Justice Russell said it was in the

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"best interests and welfare" of the young girl throughout her childhood

:22:56.:22:58.

to live with her father and his partner, and to spend some time with

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She's been speaking exclusively to our reporter Sanchia Berg

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Her words are spoken for her, and we're not revealing her identity

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My baby's dad and myself, we knew each other for over 25 years. We

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were both from Romania. We were very good friends. We were very good

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friends. I was at a point in my life when I felt my biological clock was

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running out and I wanted to be a mother one more time before that

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happened. And I proached my best friend to be my sperm donor. We both

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agreed before conception was done through artificial insemination that

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the child to be, if it will happen, would live with me and he would play

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a role in the child's life and visit when his busy schedule will allow

:24:14.:24:19.

him to. Was there any discussion of surrogacy? We were good friends for

:24:20.:24:28.

25 years. I trusted him with my life I can say say. He agreed that I

:24:29.:24:32.

would be the main carer of the baby and I would look after the baby. He

:24:33.:24:34.

would visit while he can. Was there at one point the idea put

:24:35.:24:48.

forward that you would all live together and that's why he and his

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partner rented a much bigger house and you lived there for a little

:24:53.:24:56.

bit? I didn't live, I visited. There was never a point that I would live

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there. I have my place where I'm still, to this day and that was the

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way. We talked about it with myself and my friend and that I would be in

:25:09.:25:12.

my home, I would live there, he would visit and he would spend time

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with the baby in his home as well and come into my home. It was the

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two of us talking about parenting a child and one of the reasons I asked

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him to be my sperm donor is that I wanted my child to have a father, I

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didn't want my child to not know who the father was. Was any of this

:25:42.:25:45.

written down in a formal agreement? We were discussing things as two

:25:46.:25:48.

good friends. There was no writing down anything. We would just talk as

:25:49.:25:54.

good friends. Looking back at the whole duration of the court

:25:55.:25:58.

proceedings, one of the things that the judge cited later and cited

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against you was the fact that you had the baby baptised without

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telling him about it. In fact, you lied to the court about having the

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baby baptised. Why did you do that? She was only seven months old and

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she needed protection. That's how I felt, baptism is a form of

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protection, it is like a shieldment we believe that babies are like say

:26:28.:26:32.

a naked person. The baptism is like a shield to protect them from

:26:33.:26:38.

outside world. But it was a court order and so as the judge said you

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lied to the court and that was one of the reasons why afterwards when

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the judge looked at everything altogether why she tended to find

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against you and find for the father. So when you look back, do you think

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ah, that was much more important than I realised at the time?

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Everything I did, I did for the best interests of my baby. So having her

:27:06.:27:10.

baptised was in her best interests as I saw it. In her judgement, the

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judge said that you were in quotes, "Homophobic." She said for example

:27:18.:27:23.

you had told your daughter's family that he was gay and he hadn't known

:27:24.:27:28.

this. How would you respond to that? How can be homophobic when I knew my

:27:29.:27:34.

baby's dad for 25 years and he is openly gay for most of that time.

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Were you shocked when you heard the judgement?

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Were you surprised when you heard the judgement?

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I was shocked, yes. I was in tears. I was very upset. I

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still am. I still am. How is it when you see her? It is

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wonderful when I see her. It really is wonderful. She is a typical child

:28:19.:28:25.

and very clever and she knows who I am and we play. I sing to her. I

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talk to her in Romanian. She understands Romanian languages well

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and it is very difficult because I have someone behind your back

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watching every single movement you do with your child. It makes me feel

:28:45.:28:51.

like a criminal. When you think about co-parenting some people in

:28:52.:28:54.

this position because this kind of arrangement is becoming more and

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more common, some people will sit down and draw up a really detailed

:28:58.:29:01.

arrangement before the baby is born as to how the parenting could work.

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Do you think that would have been a good idea?

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I have never thought about it before. When we were talking about

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having a baby or after conception, before the birth, I never thought. I

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never came across my mind because I trusted my friend with my life. Yes,

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people should be more careful, I think. What they do.

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We invited the biological father of the child and his partner to be

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They declined, but gave us this statement,

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"There are no winners in this case, only what is best for

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We are saddened that our daughter's mother feels the need to tell our

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story so publicly, and would urge anyone watching this to also read Ms

:29:44.:29:47.

Justice Russell's judgment, and to be aware that the Court of Appeal

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We have and will always be driven by our strong desire to protect

:29:51.:29:55.

our daughter from any harm, be it now or in the future, from

:29:56.:29:58.

any negative or speculative stories that may upset her in future years.

:29:59.:30:01.

We ask that our privacy as a family is respected".

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You can watch the interview again on our programme page if you want to.

:30:08.:30:16.

It's claimed only three police forces in England

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and Wales are fully equipped to deal with honour-based violence,

:30:19.:30:20.

forced marriage and female genital mutilation.

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An official report suggests only Northumbria,

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Derbyshire and West Midlands are tackling those offences properly.

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Let's talk about this with Jasvinder Sanghera, who ran away after she was

:30:29.:30:34.

going to be forced into an arranged marriage at the age of 14.

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Diana Nammi, who set up a support group

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for women after one of her friends was murdered in an honour killing.

:30:40.:30:53.

I think it is worth so-called honour crimes involve? I

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was born in Britain and 35 years ago, the expectation on me and my

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seven sisters, we had to behave in a certain way. So not to dishonour the

:31:05.:31:11.

family. So the basic things that a normal adolescent teenager would do

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you weren't allowed to do, go out with your friends, date a boy, these

:31:17.:31:21.

things were deemed dishonourable and shameful and if you did them you put

:31:22.:31:26.

yourself at risk of harm and being whipped off abroad for marriage or

:31:27.:31:30.

murder. So you understood that within a family dynamic and you live

:31:31.:31:34.

your life, not being allowed to integrate into wider western society

:31:35.:31:37.

and the expectation of the family is you behave in this way and you will

:31:38.:31:41.

be married off and if you say no to the marriage, again, that is deemed

:31:42.:31:44.

dishonourable and shameful and you put yourself at risk. So these are

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codes of behaviour we are expected to confirm by and if we don't, we

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put ourselves at great risk and many people within the family think the

:31:59.:32:00.

same way and are doing this to you. Diana, how do you react to the

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report that suggests that not many police forces are equipped. This is

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what we want, police and other organisations to deal with honour

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based violence cases more seriously and with sensitivity. Of course, the

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only police forces, three of them in the UK only, is far from the number

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we need, which is shocking. In many cases women's lives are a lottery.

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We don't want it to happen. We want all police forces in the UK to be

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able to take all the cases seriously, to understand what is

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honour based violence, to identify the signs, to never turn down any

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women. Honour based violence is about life-and-death and it's very

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serious and can be very quickly escalated and women's lives can be

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taken by their own family members. Jasvinder, I don't know if you

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accept what the police have made great strides in this country when

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it comes to investigating domestic abuse crimes, for example, but this

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extra element, this aggravating element of so-called or perceived

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honour, is the thing they potentially now need to concentrate

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on, certainly judging by this report anyway? You see, I was born in

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Britain, I expect to be afforded the same level of protection as my

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counterparts. This report is incredibly important and it's

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echoing the report the IPCC did in 2006 as a result of the murder of a

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woman who went to the police and appealed on five occasions and said,

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I've been seen kissing a boy at a tube station and for that I'm going

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to be killed. She was murdered. That report highlighted the need for

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awareness and for police forces to get this mainstreamness as part of

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it. This report is saying the same thing as back then. We need forces

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to come on board. That is not acceptable then is it? No, it's not.

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The thing here is, the biggest question here today is going to be,

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will this impact on police engagement because it's not

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mandatory, we are relying on leadership, police and crimes

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commissioners officers, they don't have to do this, it's about the will

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and I hope this inspection and this report impacts on that.

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Can I ask you about your experience and your sister's experience? Sure.

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I'm one of seven sisters. My sister was taken out of a classroom at the

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age of 15 to marry a man she'd only met in a photograph. She was left in

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India for nine months, forced to marry and, let's remember, when you

:35:11.:35:13.

are forced to marry you are going to be raped on your wedding night. She

:35:14.:35:17.

was brought back to the UK, expected to go to school again, then be taken

:35:18.:35:23.

away to become a dutiful wife and daughter-in-law. My sister suffered

:35:24.:35:27.

an horrific marriage, the people you can turn to are meant to be your

:35:28.:35:31.

family, they sent her back to the abuser because it was deemed

:35:32.:35:35.

shameful and dishonourable to leave your husband. My sister set herself

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on fire in her early 20s and took her own life by suicide. That was

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deemed more honourable. This is the thing here, this concept exists.

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When our victims report to the police, very often they are not

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believed, there is inappropriate engagement with family members

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who're doing this as a protective factor. My sister reported, Shafilea

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Ahmed reported to five organisations, the police were in

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that, again, being sent back to the family thinking somehow you can work

:36:06.:36:08.

this out. You can't. The police need to understand that and frame this as

:36:09.:36:13.

child and public protection. Diana, what would you say to someone

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watching now who might be going through something similar to what

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Jasvinder's described, should they go to the police bearing in mind

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today's report that says only three out of 43 forces are equipped to

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deal with this? Exactly. I'm hoping this will be like a wake-up call for

:36:30.:36:34.

police forces all over the UK and especially in England and Wales.

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This, of course, we need to be mandatory. The training? The

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training and also having a leadership and also having training

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for all the police officers in the UK so they are fully aware of the

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issue of honour based violence and respond to that quickly and gently.

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Women should not give up. Always there is help. If the police doesn't

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do that, organisations are here to help. We have been with cases. What

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are the names of the organisation? Iranian and Kurdish women's rights

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organisation, we call it IKWR. When you came to the UK, your translator

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was murdered? She was. The only thing I can do for her, it was to

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report to the police. That happened about 17 years ago. When I called

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the police, they said the incident happened in Iraq so it's their duty

:37:52.:37:55.

to investigate the case and I said she was a British citizen and, as a

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British citizen she's killed, missing, you need to investigate the

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case and that she is a victim of honour killing. They told me, this

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is your culture and if we interfere, you will call us racist, so I

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thought that establishing this organisation and campaigning against

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honour killing and to raise awareness within the police

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organisations is very, very important. We have had lots of

:38:23.:38:32.

successes, but the police response has been patchy. There is help

:38:33.:38:38.

always. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming on

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the programme. Tyson fury's uncle's told the

:38:49.:38:50.

programme the world champion didn't ever mean to compare homosexuality

:38:51.:38:56.

and paedophilia. So many of you have got in touch to tell us what you

:38:57.:38:59.

think about whether Tyson Fury should be on that short list, should

:39:00.:39:03.

stay on that short list for Sports Personality of the Year. The

:39:04.:39:07.

petition calling for him to be removed has reached just over

:39:08.:39:11.

92,000. We'll talk to some of you in a moment, but here is a reminder of

:39:12.:39:17.

what his uncle said. If you are trying to get people to like you,

:39:18.:39:21.

it's a poor job. There are a lot of people out this, everybody's got a

:39:22.:39:24.

different opinion, view, on everybodying's comments, so it

:39:25.:39:28.

depends how they view it and they'll be for and against him winning the

:39:29.:39:32.

competition so there's not much I can add to it. Do you think he

:39:33.:39:35.

should be withdrawn from the short list? No, I don't. He gives

:39:36.:39:39.

should be withdrawn from the short opinions, he hasn't got a key in his

:39:40.:39:44.

back, he's not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we are in 2015

:39:45.:39:51.

and if he's offensive, he needs to explain his actions and move on from

:39:52.:39:54.

there, but he's entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else

:39:55.:39:58.

has got theirs, it's not against the law. Some comments from our viewers

:39:59.:40:02.

watching around the country; Ke sin says I don't care who wins but

:40:03.:40:05.

showerly people should be allowed to vote for whoever they wish, after

:40:06.:40:10.

all it's called Sports Personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his

:40:11.:40:16.

personality. Martin says Tyson deserves every accolade and award

:40:17.:40:20.

for his sporting achievement, as for his utterances, that's another

:40:21.:40:24.

matter but shouldn't undermine the joy he's brought to boxing

:40:25.:40:30.

enthusiasts and Pat says, the words of Tyson Fury are sick, we shouldn't

:40:31.:40:38.

tolerate his behaviour the way we shouldn't tolerate racism or hate.

:40:39.:40:44.

His achievements have been recognised but celebrating his

:40:45.:40:47.

ignorance is unacceptable. Is that fair? Well, he's not giving... You

:40:48.:40:54.

heard him say he's not giving his own opinion, he's going off what the

:40:55.:41:00.

scriptures say. It's the conflating for some people, the conflateling of

:41:01.:41:05.

homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand how that can be

:41:06.:41:09.

insidious and offensive to some people? I think a lots of things

:41:10.:41:17.

Tyson says, what he means and the way it comes out of his mouth can

:41:18.:41:25.

sometimes be read the wrong way. Paedophilia is not the same as

:41:26.:41:30.

homosexuality, there's no similarities whatsoever, there is a

:41:31.:41:33.

vast difference. Give us an insight then into what he was trying to say?

:41:34.:41:40.

In the Bible it states that homosexuality is an abomination, it

:41:41.:41:50.

is like abortion and paedophilia, they are stated as an abomination.

:41:51.:41:55.

Maybe he's come to the assumption himself that this is what he sees,

:41:56.:41:59.

so, you know, that's all I can say, but he's not putting them, he's not

:42:00.:42:07.

saying in his own view that homosexuality is the same as

:42:08.:42:11.

paedophilia... Peter Fury, Tyson's uncle and

:42:12.:42:15.

trainer. Dave in Reading has got in touch with us this morning. He was

:42:16.:42:19.

watching Peter earlier. Hi, should he be removed then from the short

:42:20.:42:23.

list? My comment was that in order to be

:42:24.:42:29.

on Sports Personality of the Year, the person needs to have a

:42:30.:42:35.

personality and he hasn't. Well, according to some of our viewers

:42:36.:42:38.

he's absolutely got a personality, so he's absolutely right to be on

:42:39.:42:42.

that short list? Well, listen, I'm a boxing fan, I've boxed myself, I've

:42:43.:42:53.

got a personality, that man hasn't. Do you find his comments

:42:54.:42:58.

unpalatable? I do. Simply because he's not explained himself. Right,

:42:59.:43:05.

so because you find his comments unpalatable it confirms for you that

:43:06.:43:08.

he doesn't have a personality because you are not keen on him as a

:43:09.:43:12.

man, is that fair, I don't want to put words into your mouth? That is

:43:13.:43:16.

fair. He does not have a personality and he does not put his views

:43:17.:43:19.

forward in 2 way that makes it palatable? Yes. It's about sporting

:43:20.:43:24.

achievement isn't it? Look at the people on there, Andy Murray, Lizzie

:43:25.:43:30.

et cetera, it's about their sporting achievements, rather than what their

:43:31.:43:34.

character is like isn't it? Why is it called Sports Personality then?

:43:35.:43:38.

We have this conversation every year, you are absolutely right.

:43:39.:43:41.

Thank you very much for coming on the programme, nice to talk to you.

:43:42.:43:43.

Thank you very much for watching today. We are back tomorrow at 9.

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15. Have a good day. Bye.

:43:47.:43:48.

Victoria Derbyshire speaks to boxing trainer Peter Fury about a petition to have Tyson Fury removed from the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year contest.

A Syrian father tells the programme how he's been taken in by a British family after fleeing his country.

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