17/02/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

This morning: can people who beat up and abuse their partners

One charity who's working with offenders tells

us their approach and we'll get reaction from a woman

who was repeatedly attacked by her ex boyfriend -

and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub car

Also on the programme - a couple from Leeds who dramatically

escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

compelled to return last night to watch the Eagles of Death Metal

finish their concert. Plus - how many teaspoons of sugar

I feel really fortunate, not that we just got out, but we escaped the

worst of the trauma by being on the floor.

do you think are in this drink?

Thank you, very kind. How many do you reckon?

We'll bring you reaction. chocolate digistives.

News Channel until 11 this morning. we're on BBC2 and the BBC

We will bring you the latest news and developing stories, get in touch

on the latest news today. Can those who beat up

and emotionally abuse their partners It's why the most dangerous men -

and it is mostly men, those most at risk of

murdering their partner, will be helped to change

their behaviour or they will The Drive programme,

is backed by domestic abuse charity, SafeLives, and Respect,

and also local police and crime commissioners, and it's

being trialled in Essex, It's not voluntary -

the men and smaller number of women who are identified as the highest

risk offenders must co-operate. The pilot scheme will run

for the next three years and aims Diana Barron is from SafeLives

and we'll talk to 19 year old Rayna Holden too,

who was repeatedly attacked by her ex boyfriend -

and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub

car park in Manchester. Welcome. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Let's begin with you, Diana. You can talk about this pilot

scheme, how are you going to stop men, and as we said, it is mostly

men, being violent and emotionally abusive? At the core of this scheme

is making sure we hold men accountable and we are going to try

and do that in two ways. Firstly, they will get a case manager who

will will work with them, try and identify any lots to them stopping

their abusive behaviour but at the same time making sure any continuous

abusive behaviour is tackled by the criminal justice agencies, the

abusive behaviour is tackled by the courts, and that they are held to

account because the reality today for the vast majority of abusive men

is that they are neither given an opportunity to change or held to

account, and this programme aims to do that. Let's talk about the case

worker elements, what will they do with the men? They need to build a

relationship with the individual concerned, then they very frequently

will have a lot of other organisations, the police, social

services, involved, so they might do that in partnership with them. If

they are not involved then they really have to take the safety of

the victim into account because that is essential. They need to build a

relationship, understand the needs of that person but also be very

clear that this is about them taking responsibility for what they have

done, and on that basis and only on that basis is moving forward. When

you say the needs of the perpetrator, do you mean housing or

drinking or finding a job? Is that what you mean? The caseworker will

help them sort those error is out? They are never the causes of

domestic abuse but they can contribute to the severity and risk

that somebody poses, so it will be alcohol, drug, mental health,

housing problems, our whole range of things that may be barriers to

change. Is it making excuses for those perpetrators? Today, we are

turning a blind eye, and this will shine as what life... A spotlight on

those guys shine as what life... A spotlight on

disappear through those cracks which they are good at doing historically.

When they disappeared through the cracks, that means the victims are

disappearing as well? Their victims are potentially disappearing through

the cracks all left with the problem of sorting out the abuse, and,

really, we want to shift, not just through Drive, but through other

initiatives, the whole conversation from, why doesn't she leave to why

doesn't she stop? Women are carrying the responsibility of sorting out

domestic abuse. What if there are no reissues and the perpetrator has a

house and a job, doesn't have a drink or drug problems? There will

be different types of people we will be working with. You will have

psychopathic individuals who maybe have none of those issues, those are

potentially the most dangerous group, and at that point we need to

make sure criminal justice comes in and managers their behaviour and

risk. -- manages. What if he says no and says he does not want to work

with the caseworker? Ed Leigh says no, assuming he continues with his

abusive behaviour -- if he says no to stop the Drive caseworker will

work very closely with the priests and the person supporting the victim

so that we get lots and lots of information about what he is up to

and therefore the police will have the grounds on which to arrest, and

CBS can charge. -- CPS. Is your scheme going to let perpetrators

off? They will have been abusive up to the point you intervene, and then

you say, we can hope you -- hope you -- help you find a house and stop

drinking and so on? If you have performed a criminal act, you need

to face prosecution but the reality is that most of the sanctions at the

end of a court process will be making limited difference to the

safety of the victim. We are interested in the safety of the big

them. Perpetrators of abuse are getting off scot-free all over the

place today as we are speaking and sitting on the sofa right now, we

want to change exactly that. Thank you for talking to us, I will ask

you for your reaction to this new pilot scheme in just a moment, but I

wonder if you could tell our audience how your ex-boyfriend used

to behave towards you? My ex-partner was very abusive, physically and

mentally. Used to put me down. -- key. If things did not go his way or

he wanted to do something and I did not want to do it, that is when the

abuse happened. When he didn't have money for alcohol or drugs, I took

the backlash of that. Can I ask you, what kind of things did he used to

do to you? He picked me up, threw me against the radiator, pulled me

about with the hair, punched me in the face, slap me, call me nasty

names. He was just a horrible man. As well is that horrific physical

abuse, on the controlling side of things, he would try and control

access to your phone or three were allowed to see? Who I was allowed to

see, speak to, who I had on my face work, and there was one occasion I

was on the phone to my grandfather, and he snatched the phone out of my

hands and eight the battery of the phone and I do not have any contact

with him. -- ate. Why was he doing this to you? I don't know the

reasons why he was doing it, but... I don't know... I think it is more

to do with having control over a person. He used to like controlling

me. And telling me what to do. Can I ask you about the attack that he

committed on you in that pub car park in November 2014? I was meant

to be going to meet him so I walked down to the pub in the village in

Washington, I walked into the pub, and Darryl was stood with his mate

and two other women, playing pool with them, smacking their bottoms, I

walked out of the pub and lit a cigarette, the mates followed me

out, and ten minutes after Dowell followed me out, he was telling me,

why are you getting jealous? You are not my girlfriend any more. He was

telling me I was worthless, I meant nothing to him, I was just a child

to him, he did not care about me, which ended up in a massive

arguments, and that argument let's to him chasing me out of the car

park. -- Daryl. He had a pint glass in his hand and he tried to smash it

on my head. He hit me six times before it shattered. He grabbed me

by the hair when their pint glass shattered. He pulled me down the

banking and then had me behind a car and kept punching me, kicking me,

punching me. When I was unconscious, he picked me up by their hair and

dragged me halfway across the car park to a set of beans where he then

dropped me again and stood all over my body. The audience is seeing some

of the very distressing CCTV footage. It is distressing enough to

watch this, so God knows how it was for you. I know it is difficult for

you to talk about this but I appreciate you taking the time. You

are welcome, honestly. After what he did to you, he left you there. He

did, he left me there. His mate stood and watched 15 minutes of the

attack and did nothing to stop him. They both left. They both left

together. When you eventually regained consciousness, which

thankfully you did, what did you do? I remember a woman, she was working

in the pub and she came outside, and I stood up, I had a dislocated knee,

I had three broken ribs, severe bruising over my body, and I stood

up and all I wanted was a fag, believe it or not! I did not know

what had happened to me. Even then, I wanted to chase after him to try

and sort it out. That is how much I was in love with him! The police

were eventually contact. That was through the pub. I got away from the

pub and went to my friend's house. Two days later, the police came to

my mate's door and said, we are arresting your ex-partner. They

said, we have the CCTV footage, the people that rang the police, if it

was not for them, I would not be where I am now. I was not going to

ring the police. Explain why. I totally understand why but explain

to people who do not understand that. I was madly in love with him

and when you are in love with someone you will do anything to

protect them whether they are in the right or the wrong and that is what

I did, I stood by him like a partner does. You tried to help them get a

lower jail sentence, didn't you? Because you can't withdraw

statements any more, after I gave the police statement of what

happened that night, I could not withdraw its. -- it. I felt guilty

about what I told the police that he had done to me. Me and his mum came

up with an idea to help them, writing a letter saying I dropped

him and that is why he beat me. That did not happen. He was convicted of

assault, given a jail sentence beer, served over three months my have you

seen since his release? No, I don't want to see him. I was 17 and

classed as a minor. What he did to me was horrific, I never want

anybody like that in my life, I am better than that. Did he have any

issues that he could have been helped with in the way that Diana

has been explaining to us, about this new pilot scheme? He had

issues, drugs, alcohol abuse, his temper, but with things like this,

some people just don't want to change, they are just that way. The

girlfriend before me coming he did the same to her. Due know what I

mean? -- before me, he did the same to her. -- do you. In terms of what

you heard, do you think it might help other men, this pilot scheme? I

think it is a good approach but like I said some people just do not want

to change. Do you have the attitude where you

feel everybody should given a second chance? It is not about getting a

second chance, as she said very powerfully, it is about keeping you

safe. We have heard he had a previous girlfriend and presumably

he will have a new girlfriend. This is about keeping his next partners

and his next children safe. We do that, either through change, but she

will know better than anyone else if this particular guy can change it or

not, if not, three months inside and now free to do whatever he wants, is

not keeping anybody say. The point of this programme is for those who

are not going to change, their behaviour needs to be managed much

more strongly. I have lots of comments from viewers on my tablet,

which I have left over their and I will grab it in a moment. Liz from

Glasgow says, regarding the news this morning the perpetrators of

domestic violence will be supported to change their ways. Why not arrest

them and lock them up like anyone else who assaults another person?

Absolutely and we would entirely agree with that. We would describe

it more than we will be challenging people's behaviour. Those who should

be in the criminal justice system will be in the criminal justice

system and this programme will make them much more visible. We heard,

even with a serious assaults, the sanction doesn't keep people safe in

the long term. Let's take the example of her ex, he went through

the criminal justice system, found guilty. He was jailed, served his

sentence. As you say, three months is not long enough to rehabilitate

an individual who has behaved like this in the past. How would you, on

this pilot scheme, go about getting him or somebody like him on your

scheme? This will start with the risk posed to the victim. He will be

contacted, because in this case she would have been identified as high

risk and correctly so. If he was prepared to engage with the case

manager, they would address some of the issues we have talked about. But

if he says no... Which is highly likely. The case manager will work

closely with the police to make sure any criminal behaviour is picked up.

Not just domestic abuse, but driving without insurance, or using class a

drugs, whatever it might be, anything will be pursued. Obviously

he isn't here, let's leave him out of this conversation. But there are

other examples we can use. Let me read you diss to eat... I work with

victims of violence, tell me how we get the abusers to truly engage when

many don't recognise they need it? It is going to come up again and

again, isn't it? It goes on, there isn't enough funding for victims in

the meantime, what do you say to both those points? In terms of the

funding to victims, we have been campaigning along with other

organisations for women. It is no substitute to services for the

victims. It is directed to the perpetrators as opposed to the

victims? There is additional money going into support for the victims,

so they will be offered support for longer than is currently the case.

But, if we never address the perpetrator, you know, we are very

fortunate in this partnership to be working with Respect, who are the

experts in working with perpetrators. We do have to try some

new and different ways of engaging with people. The ideas we have taken

in Drive have gone from other groups of dangerous offenders who also

don't want to play ball. We are taking ideas from other areas and

applying it to this, but with the skill of the sector contributing.

Thank you for coming on the programme. Rayna, you have been

amazing. Thank you for being so honest. You are welcome. How are you

now? I am fine, just a bit nervous. That is understandable.

The number of people on the claimant count last month fell by 14,800 to

760,000 say the office for National Statistics. Average earnings

increased by 1.9% in the year to December, 0.2% down on the previous

month. Average earnings are still going up, but at a slower rate.

Unemployment continues to fall. We will talk to the relevant minister

in the next half an hour. We'll be finding out why America's

gun owners feel so strongly And we meet two women who have used

illegal skin-whitening creams with very different results -

and ask them why they did it. David Cameron's preparing for his

final push on his EU renegotiation. There's a crunch summit in Brussels

tomorrow where he'll try to persuade other European leaders

that his reforms are necessary. He is to share the text of a deal

with his ministers, but it won't be made public. There are sticking

points. Protests have held up development on a migrant camp on the

island of Kos. The country has been criticised by the EU on the way it

is handling the migrant crisis. As we have just been reporting...

A new push to help women at risk of violent abuse by their partners.

Violent men, or those who pose a risk of violence,

will be given intensive support to change their ways.

It's part of a new programme called Drive, which will be tested

It's hoped it will change vulnerable women's lives.

The Eagles of Death Metal, whose concert in Paris

was interrupted last year by terrorists who went on to kill 89

people in the Bataclan three months ago,

return to play the gig they never finished.

The frontman Jesse Hughes said he didn't want to let anyone down.

Unemployment has fallen by 60,000. It currently stands at 1.69 million

people. "Shocking" says a campaign group

who looked at the sugar levels of hot drinks in popular

high street cafes. Some have more than 20

teaspoons of sugar in them. Starbucks was the worst offender,

with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot Hugh has all the sport and news

of a defeat for Chelsea in Paris. In football - the Champions League

was back last night. The first English club to play

in the knock-out stages was Chelsea and they lost the away leg

of their tie with Paris St Boss, Guus Hiddink, says the tie

is "50-50" with the return leg In the end a goal from ?55 million

substitute, Edinson Cavani, the difference, but Hiddink

says their away goal That was the hottest

ticket in town last night but what about Manchester United

away at Denmark's FC Midtylland?? Well, United fans are due

to protest at the ?71 price they are being charged for a ticket

for their Europa League Angered more by the fact Southampton

fans were only charged ?22 to go tot the same ground

in a European play-off And we will also hear

from Ronnie O'Sullivan, who has responded to all of those

who called him disrespectful. That was after winning his second

round match 4-0, in just 38 minutes. Clearly controversy doesn't

throw him off his game. That and more coming

up just after 10:00. Tomorrow a big European summit takes

place in which David Cameron hopes to get agreement on changes

to the UKs relationship with Europe. The Prime Minister is seeking key

changes on European integration, business competiveness,

benefits restrictions An in-out referendum

on whether the UK should remain within the EU will take place

before the end of 2017. BUT how much does our

membership of the EU cost - Our political guru, Norman Smith has

been sorting out the facts from the fiction.

It's what often shapes the way we vote, so are we quids in or do

Here is my take on the euro fact and euro fiction when it comes

Last year, the great British tax player handed over more than ?19

Last year, the great British tax payer handed over more than ?19

We got back 10 billion in the form of

grants, farming subsidies and a cashback deal negotiated

So overall, last year, the EU cost the British taxpayer

That is a Euro fact, and that sum has doubled

It looks to stay at that new higher level for

Now, in Wales and Northern Ireland, people get more money back

And it is the same story in poorer parts of the country.

The EU has helped foot the bill for the roll-out of superfast

broadband, business centres and a revamped airport,

and an awful lot of road improvements.

Euro fact - poorer parts of the UK do better

Would we have oodles more cash to spend, spend,

Because the money we would save amounts to just 1%

If you got your euro billions back then the equivalent in terms

of your weekly shop would be just enough for an extra ten cans

of your weekly shop would be just enough for an extra tin cans

Well, in fact, it is not peanuts because the equivalent money

would not even buy you a bag of peanuts.

There is also an awful lot of euro fog around when it comes

Campaigners who want us to stay say every household

is ?3,000 a year better off in because of foreign investment

in the UK and access to Europe's single

Campaigners who want us to leave say each household would be

?1,000 a year better off out because we could get rid

Working out whether we are better off in or

out all depends on how you do the sums and who you ask,

It is a right old political peasouper.

So, can anyone prove definitively whether we are better off in or out?

Will the row over the numbers run on?

We'll have another film from Norman - looking at fact or fiction when it

comes to red tape and the EU - on the programme tomorrow,

and you can catch up on his first film, which looks at Britain

and immigration, at bbc.co.uk/victoria.

He is at Downing Street now, something happening? Boris Johnson

walking into Downing Street after the Prime Minister told him, come

over here because I need to talk to about that EU deal and the package

I'm trying to put together. We saw Philip Hammond going in as well. Mr

Cameron and his advisers are getting Boris Johnson in the room and saying

to him, this is what we have got, what are you going to do? He has

been sitting on the fence. Spoke to Boris Johnson and spoke to some of

his people this morning. What I understand is, even after he has

been given a grilling by Mr Cameron and his aides, he still isn't going

to tell us what he has decided. He is going to hold on until Mr Cameron

comes back from Brussels. And only then, so presumably on Friday night,

will he actually tell us what he is going to do. Those close to him say

he genuinely has not yet made up his mind. Genuinely, they said. When I

say to them, it is all about his leadership, he is positioning

himself to be the next Tory leader? They insist not. I say it is all

about written's plays in Europe. The key thing is this, it underlines how

important Boris Johnson is to Mr Cameron being able to sell best

deal. What he does not want is on Friday night, if Mr Cameron gets

this deal for Boris Johnson to come out and say, it's not good enough, I

am not going to back it, I am going to campaign to leave. And all hell

breaks loose, because you have a serious big beast ready to take on

Mr Cameron over the deal. That is what may be ahead. Very interesting.

We'll be finding out why America's gun owners feel so strongly

about their right to carry firearms.

Employment is up again. Give us the figures. They paint a robust view of

our Labour market. Unemployment rate, 5.1%, the lowest since 2006.

The jobless total fell by 60,000 to 1.69 million. The number of people

in work is at 31.4 million. Robust Labour market. Concerns over the

economy but the workforce is fine. We are interested in the impact on

pay because you would imagine if you have a tightening Labour market, you

would expect a to be pressured and be rising. Regular pay was 2%, which

is down slightly, and pay including bonuses was down slightly. This is

the big conundrum going on in the Labour market at the moment. It is

very strong and you would expect that to mean it as cover for

employees to get the right people and you would expect that to mean

you would have to pay more to get the people and yet pay growth

remains subdued at the moment. Give me the figure again, I am writing

them down. Regular pay was running at around 2%, down 0.2%. Pay

including bonuses, 1.9%. To-macro other important figures today.

Firstly, public sector employment has fallen to the lowest level on

record since 1999 at 5.35 million. Not a huge surprise given the cuts

gone on on spending and the impacts on local councils. Finally, there is

always a big debate about what impact the growth of migrant workers

is having on our Labour market. The bold figures they have given us are

that in the past year the increase in employment was 532,000. For

migrant workers? Know, in general. The increase in non-UK nationals in

employment was 250 4000. In the first year? Yes. -- 250 4000. To be

clear, you cannot say that half of the new jobs went to non-UK

migrants, it is much more complex than that but those are the rigours

that we were given this morning. Good news for employment again. Yes,

and Pensions Minister - Good news for employment again. Yes,

record numbers now in work, we are delivering on our pledge to have

growing numbers with the security of a pay packet and rising wages, and

we are seeing growth across the economy. Record numbers of people

aged 50 to 64 in work, and with young people the unemployment rate

is lowest a decade. 86% of young people are either in full-time

education or full-time work. Very good news today. What do you think

about pay, though? It is not where it should be, is it? I challenge

that. We have had 15 months of wages outstripping inflation by some way.

1.9% this month compared to almost zero inflation. We have the national

living wage coming in in April which will directly benefit 2.6 million

and indirectly 6 million. For those with the national living wage, they

are looking at a 40% H The Truth About The Harry Quebere Affair pay

rise over the next five it is about 2.5 million people who

do not pay income tax. Inflation is so low. Average wages are above that

inflation is so low. Average wages have gone up but the rate is slowing

and that does not make sense when unemployment is coming down. What is

going on? 15 months, a good friend, the gap is widening and we wanted to

continue. The key indicator is that we have 776 thousand vacancies, a

record number. The supply and demand economics will suggest that

continues to go up. The national living wage will filter through to 6

million people and that will continue to push that. Whilst wages

are higher than inflation, that means more money in people's pocket.

Why do you think there is this anomaly? You have got an economy

that has low inflation, there will be it's going there, but as long as

it is ahead of inflation and there is more money in pockets, it is the

trend. 15 consecutive months, there is nothing to suggest it will flip a

separate way, particularly given the national living wage and record

numbers of vacancies, meaning supply and demand means wages outstrip

inflation, leaving more money in people's pocket. You have not

answered the question, I will move on. The national living wage, when

that comes in, and one says it will attract more EU members. We other

jobs factory of Europe. Nine out of ten jobs are for UK nationals. Since

2010, Emily and you came nationals have gone into work. -- since 2010,

EU nationals. We are creating 1000 jobs a day, we are the envy of

Europe. Sometimes visitors will have to look whether our skills

shortages. In the long term, we have reformed the education system, we

are delivering university technical colleges, we have the pledge to

deliver 3 million apprenticeships are 2020, so we are skinning up the

next generation of workers to directly benefit growth in the

economy. When it is brought in, do you accept it will attract more EU

workers to the UK? It benefits all hard-working people... This question

is about EU workers. When the national living wage is brought in

Will it attracts, in your view, more EU workers to Britain? It will

attract as many vacancies at our available, whether our skill

shortages. By reforming our education system, by supporting

those already in Europe, -- work, particularly with the introduction

of Universal Credit, with a named coach, giving opportunities to

anything from additional childcare and training, that UK nationals have

that opportunity to take advantage of that growing economy. We are the

envy of Europe, the jobs factory of Europe, we are creating 1000 jobs a

day right across all sectors in the economy. A balanced and sustainable

recovery and that is something as a government we are proud to do. I

need to ask you about EU negotiations because it is the big

story of the weak politically and for many voting in the referendum.

24 hours before the summit begins, sticking point is child benefit. If

the government going to be prepared to accept those planned curbs on

child benefit -- benefits? I think it will be a long 24 hours, we will

have to see what comes forward. The Prime Minister is extremely good at

these negotiations, he is well respected comic he has shown he will

always put our economic security is. We are making it clear that we want

to keep the pound, we are against ever closer EU integration. I know

but I asked specifically about child benefit and whether the government

would concede and say, we agree, it is only for new arrivals, this

reduction in child benefits, which would mean it affects current

applicants. The prior minister has been clear in our demands. Some

people say these negotiations would be easy. -- Prime Minister. Clearly

not, there is opposition from a number of countries where they have

claimants coming in. The cost is actually around ?55 million. It is

more to do with the frustrations that the British public have with

the EU. The European Union has an opportunity to respond over the next

24 hours and I am sure more negotiations will occur. The Prime

Minister is well respected and is good at these negotiations but

ultimately it will be the British public who cast judgment, not you or

me. We will have the same boat. We are the only government to trusted

the British public. I remember when Labour blocked the people having the

safe. We trust the public, negotiations are coming to an end,

we will have a clearer picture. Thank you.

Some well-known coffee chains are selling hot drinks containing 20

spoons of sugar, we will get the worst offenders. It is nearly 10am.

Time flies when you are having fun. Here is the weather. The weather has

been topsy-turvy over the last few weeks. We have not had proper winter

weather is Dutch. We are not alone. I will take you around the

Mediterranean. In Madrid, the temperature was 9 degrees Celsius

yesterday. The average is 12 and it is to do with the jet stream. The

reason we have had clement conditions of late is because of the

jet stream which has grown these pressures across the Mediterranean.

You can see the undulation is here. The blue represents the colder air.

We have a milder warmer conditions. The temperature in Crete, 28

Celsius. It should normally be about 16 in February. Lovely. Not just

Crete but Cyprus as well, parts of the Balkans. Very nice if you are

picking the late holiday. It is half term. Very nice. Do know 16 years?

61. Will remember that. In our country we have

61. Will remember that. In our been chilly oblate but today,

nowhere near as Chile. -- of late. All this blue air is pumping in bed

if I stand back, you can see more mild air coming our way, so the

topsy-turvy team continues. For some of us, it was a beautiful start to

the day with a lovely sunrise like this, across central and

southeastern England. Cardiff Simon sent a picture yesterday! A suburb

photographer. You have a fabulous memory. -- suburb. In

Clackmannanshire, fabulous weather. Lying whether in Northern Ireland

and Scotland. A whole bands of rain and sleet is moving southward. If

you like snow at lower levels, you might be lucky but it is a

you like snow at lower levels, you might. Let's talk about the reason

why. A weather front which is going to continue to push south these

words. That has brought us all that rain, sleet and snow through the

night. As it continues descending, it will brighten behind it. We have

seen quite a bit of rain this morning. If you are travelling, bear

it in mind. Surface water on the roads. In the Highlands, the

Grampians, the central lowlands and the uplands. Any snow left across

the Pennines will be above 300 metres or so. Through the course of

the day, that will sink southwards. Some will be heavy. We could see a

wintry flavour across Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire. A lower

levels, some sleep. For Northern Ireland, after a wet dart, it is a

beautiful afternoon. Bright spells or sunny spells. -- sleet. Across

Scotland, a similar scenario. It will feel cold, in Edinburgh the

maximum temperature is only four. Across northern England, brightening

up. We see the rain, sleet and snow push down across the Midlands,

edging into Cambridge. For the South East of England we hang on to the

brighter skies the longest. Into the Midlands, down towards the Isle of

Wight and into Somerset and Dorset, and also parts of Devon, we have the

rain clearing up from Cornwall. It continues to pull away from Wales,

moving eastwards. Through this evening and overnight, the

temperature will drop. As the system continues moving southwards and

eastwards, it will be mostly rain and that is what most of us will see

but there will be snow largely on the hills. We could see wet snow in

some places first thing in the morning lying on lower levels. The

other scenario is that if we do have some heavy bursts, more of us could

see some snow, but we think the first scenario is more likely.

Behind that, clearer skies, widespread frost, the risk of ice,

and still wintry showers continue in the north and west. Through

tomorrow, slowly that band of rain, sleet and snow moves away. The sleet

and snow in it becomes less of an issue as temperatures rise and then

much day tomorrow than today for the bulk of the UK. Wintry showers Papa

north-west Scotland and Northern Ireland. Tomorrow, we have a risk of

thunder and hail. -- pepper. It turns milder this weekend.

Can people who beat up and abuse their partners

One charity working with offenders tells us about its approach.

And, a woman who was repeatedly attacked by her ex-boyfriend

and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub car park.

He just kept kicking me, kicking me and punching me. When I was

unconscious, he was picking me up by my hair and drag me to a set of pins

where he dropped me again and stood all over my body. Stewart says, what

a strong and brave woman, well done. Somebody else has said, she is a

brave and intelligent woman. A couple from Leeds who dramatically

escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

compelled to return last night to the capital to watch

the Eagles of Death Metal Just feel really, really fortunate.

Not just that we managed to get out, but we escaped the worst of the

trauma by not being on the floor. And, in just a moment we'll meet two

women who have used illegal skin-whitening creams

with very different results, The haggling continues over EU

reform. Boris Johnson, who could be a key player, has arrived at Downing

Street this morning to meet David Cameron. He the Prime Minister is

expected to share the draft deal but it will be made public.

And as we've just heard, unemployment has fallen by 60,000

between October and December last year - it currently stands

Average earnings, including bonuses are up by 1.9%.

A new push to help women at risk of violent abuse by their partners.

Violent men, or those who pose a risk of violence,

will be given intensive support to change their ways.

It's part of a new programme called Drive which will be tested

It's hoped it will change vulnerable women's lives.

He used to pick me up, throw me against the Radzi. He used a rag me

about by my hair, punch me in the face and slap me. He would call me

pasty names. He was just, he was just a horrible man.

The Eagles of Death Metal, whose concert in Paris

was interrupted last year by gunmen who killed 89 people

in the Bataclan, return to play the gig they never finished.

The frontman, Jesse Hughes, said he didn't want to let anyone down.

Protests have held up the opening of a migrant camp on the Greek

It is so Greece can process incoming migrants.

But work on four other new Greek registration centres is completed.

The country's been criticised by the EU for the way it's been

"Shocking" says a campaign group who looked at the sugar levels

of hot drinks in popular high street cafes.

Some have more than 20 teaspoons of sugar in them.

Starbucks was alleged to be the worst offender,

with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot fruit drinks.

Let's catch up with all the sport now.

Chelsea interim manager Guus Hiddink believes his team still

have a 50-50 chance to make it through to the quarter-finals

That's despite suffering a 2-1 defeat to Paris St Germain

in the first leg of their round of 16 tie in the French

Well it was PSG who went ahead through Zlatan Ibrahimovic's

deflected free-kick, but that lead lasted just a few

John Mikel Obi took advantage of some poor defending

to bring Chelsea deservedly level on the stroke of half-time.

But Chelsea couldn't hold on, Edison Cavani's late goal means PSG

will arrive in London in three weeks time with a one-goal advantage.

Defeat is never a good feeling, but you have to consider it is a two leg

game and scoring away is always good. We had good defensive work.

Hibs beat Edinburgh rivals Hearts in their fifth round Scottish Cup

replay and Rangers beat Premiership side Kilmarnock.

Bottom side Dundee United were beaten 3-0 at home

by Motherwell in the Scottish Premiership.

Manchester United fans are planning to protest about the ?71 ticket

price for their Europa League game at Danish Champions Mityiland

tomorrow, with a banner saying "SCAM-DANAVIA".

Southampton supporters paid ?22 for a Europa League play-off match

The protest comes just a fortnight after Liverpool fans successfully

protested against a rise in top ticket prices, to ?77

Mityiland haven't yet responded to requests for comment.

A Russian footballer has taunted Turkish fans by revealing a T-shirt

Lokomotiv Moscow's Dmitri Tarasov made the gesture after a match

The T-shirt also revealed the words "the most polite president".

The Europa League match was the biggest sporting encounter

between the nations since Turkey shot down a Russian jet

Ronnie O'Sullivan took just 38 minutes to reach the third

round of the Welsh Open snooker after beating China's Tian Pengfay.

The win came following his comments on Monday, when he turned down

the chance of a 147 break because he believed the ?10,000

Well, O'Sullivan was in superb form, claiming three century

Afterwards the five-time world champion told the BBC

that his comments on Monday were meant to be light-hearted.

I wasn't taking it seriously, it was a bit of fun, a laugh. I hope

everybody sees it that way. I don't see why we have to take everything

so seriously these days. If it is so disrespectful, if everyone else can

put in a performance like that, there is my cue, my chalk and my

waistcoat, go and do it. That's all the sport for now

we will have an update Good morning we're on BBC2

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those who have reacted to the interview with Rayna, who was left

for dead in the pub of a car park. Scheme is being launched to

concentrate on the perpetrators to stop them reoffending, stop them

beating up their partners. It was in reaction to that story today we

spoke to Rayna. This tweet... Such a lovely and brave young woman. Her

abusive ex might not have lost enough time in jail, but he has lost

someone precious. Christina says, Rayna, by speaking

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Illegal skin-whitening creams are being sold by high street

cosmetic shops despite repeated prosecution -

Products containing hydroquinone - a skin lightener which can damage

the liver and nervous system - are readily available,

leaving consumers unaware of the dangers they

In London, trading standard departments say they're trying

to crack down on the practice but admit it's becoming increasingly

BBC London reporter Tarah Welsh has been finding out more.

Irene has had a successful modelling career with dark skin but in recent

She is originally from Cameroon where creams containing skin

Growing up, you see your aunties, your mum, putting something

with the cream to make her complexion.

She has used creams containing hydroquinone, and you can see

from the change how powerful the chemical is.

Irene says her chemicals were prescribed by a doctor

but all over London people are buying the substance

from illicit dealers and putting their health

It can damage the liver and nervous system as well as causing skin

Sarah was just 14 when she started lightening her skin.

My skin became patchy, very uneven, which then caused problems for me

because I didn't know how to balance it out,

so I would continue to put more in a darker area and it became very

That is why it is illegal to sell cosmetics containing this

This is some of what has been seized from shop shelves

The product is labelled with hydroquinone,

and that is a banned ingredient, and throughout Europe it has been

banned since 2001, and retailers are under obligation

to check their products and ingredients list

and if they check it they will see it contains an ingredient

In Southwark, we have done test purchases,

and in 50% of shops they are willing to sell it if pushed.

Half of people selling products in Southwark are selling this stuff?

Well, in certain areas, the problem is quite severe.

We were tipped off by shops that have broken the law again and again,

and at this shop in Peckham, our undercover researcher asked

for a cream that contains hydroquinone as an ingredient.

It is not on display and comes from under the counter and we ask

But the businessman has the solution.

He will rip the shop's name and address off.

He has already been fined for selling lightening creams

He is also awaiting sentencing for selling cream whitening creams

Here it is, an illegal green whitening cream manufactured

In Dalston, what we find is more worrying.

He is telling us that the chemical hydroquinone is in these products

but is not listed on the ingredients.

Remember, it has been banned by the EU since 2001.

Lab tests reveal the presence of hydroquinone in three of the four

creams sold by the outlets, and one of them is twice as powerful

as those that are prebscribed by a doctor in the UK.

It did not take us long to get our hands on all of this

and what is really scary is that some of these creams do not actually

list the banned ingredients in them so people can pick them up off

the shelves, not knowing that they can be potentially harmful.

If you were liberally applying these creams you don't know how much

of the chemicals are contained in them, it could be dangerous

So what does the repeat offender have to say for himself?

The shops have been illegally selling skin whitening cream

containing the chemical hydroquinone, do you have any

This cream can cause real harm to the public.

You have been prosecuted numerous times for selling this,

You know what I'm talking about, the screen whitening cream

containing hydroquinone that you have been selling repeatedly?

Thousands of the illegal skin whitening creams have been seized

by Trading Standards and major shipments seized at our ports

but despite heavy fines, shops like these just

It begs the question - when even the courts do not act

as a deterrent, what can be done to keep dangerous cosmetics

So why do people using skin whitening creams?

Let's talk now to Saira Oladokun - who's skin was burnt

And Irene Major frequently uses them.

Welcome. Thank you for coming on the programme. Sarah, you were buying

skin whitening products at the age of 14, tell us why. I was pretty

insecure in my skin, I felt that being lighter meant you were more

beautiful. I did not feel comfortable in my skin so I decided

to lighten it. What kind of creams without naming names? I started

using lemons, that is a cheaper alternative is a teenager. I then

used toning lotions and creams. What's different is that it make to

your skin is Mark my skin got patchy and started to burn in certain

areas. It reached a level of sensitivity I thought it would never

get to. OK, I think we have some picked his way you can see the burn

marks if you like at the top of your forehead. Either side of your

forehead. Around the temple. How painful was it? It really hurt, it

was stinging, and even though it was, I would continue to put it on

my skin. Before that stage, were you pleased with the results? It gave me

a slight boost in confidence which was interesting, and I was pleased

with some of the results I was seeing but when I saw the side

effects, that is when I questioned whether I am doing the right thing.

How much lighter was your skin? This is your natural colour. Three or

four shades lighter. People definitely did notice but did not

assembly say anything to me. My family members and close relatives

noticed a change colour. In a positive way? I think they were

confused. I was brought up to love myself and have not received harsh

comments about my skin and I was pretty confident as a person so they

were waiting for me to give a reason why I was giving such lotions on my

face. Lorraine, why few regular use skin whitening products? I use it to

even out my skin tone. I mean, is a black person, whatever is under the

sun will get darker. That is what I do. Everybody does it. The cream I

am using is there for everyone. The issue in this whole thing is that

you were using it at 14 and did not know the ingredients, all you knew

was you would get lighter. We kind of ignore it in a way. If we educate

youngsters throughout this whole thing it would be better. We have

shown our audience pictures of you before and after and there was a

difference in colour, that is not just about even in the town. I was

wearing make up as well. -- even in the tone. You look like a white

person. Do I? You can see that yourself and stop the make up was

much lighter. The darker the better when I used to model. Even Naomi

Campbell... Everybody went through UV treatment. I actually went under

the sun and had a darker option because it was better if you are

doing a bikini shoot. You need to look the part all the way round. All

of these things are dangerous to us, they all kill and have an effect. I

am certain of that. I am against under the counter products but I

wish we all knew what we are putting ourselves through. What reaction

have you had an black people to the fact you have used such products?

Very bad, very bad. I could have thrown myself under a bus. Everybody

will do something to even out their skin, they call it toning. Why do

you get such a bad reaction? It is terrible, you do not talk about it.

Western people can go under the sun and get sunburn. Everybody goes and

buys it. People think it is some kind of portrayal of your heritage?

You tell me stop my husband is Canadian, he is white, I have five

children. Somehow I have been brainwashed by westernisation.

People reminding of slavery 400 years ago and tell me I'm becomings

trying to become white. It is a taboo thing. We have too many

hang-ups, and I wish my community could wake up a bit more. I am here

for the freedom of choice, freedom of speech. I'm here for my daughter

to say, when you grow up, stand for yourself. Make your own choices.

This tweet, if we did not have such a white beauty industry, this would

not be a problem. I agree and disagree. I was a successful model,

very dark, so I never did that then. I do not look at what other people

are doing. I mean, the dress you are wearing, we change our looks to what

we like to see. For me, this is part of it all and I love seeing what I

look like. You talked about your family's reaction and nobody said

anything to stop you are a confident person, why are you lightening your

skin is Mark I don't want to put words in your mouth but using people

were thinking, I know your parents are from Nigeria, why do not want to

look like a Nigerian? I did not bleach to be light skin, I just

wanted to be a lighter shade of round. Having Nigerian parents, I

was brought up to love myself regardless. I would definitely say

it is to do with the industry. If I were to go into Boots or Superdrug,

I would look at the foundation rage, and I was growing young girl and

wanted to buy something to make myself more confident or feel

prettier, I would expect to kind of see my shades in a shop. You can get

all that online. You need to see it in a High Street shop quest might

know, but at the end of the day, the type of country we are in, there are

a range of different skin colours, ethnicities, people from different

cultures, so I feel like we should be provided with the products that

other people are provided with, whether it be the High Street or

online. You will never use skin lightening creams again? Never.

Thank you very much. Some well-known coffee chains

are selling hot drinks containing We'll take a look at

the worst offenders. A couple from Leeds who dramatically

escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

compelled to return last night to watch the Eagles of Death Metal

finish their concert. Tony Scott and Justine Merton,

from Leeds, were at the Bataclan They escaped through a skylight in

the roof while venue was under siege.

Last night, the band returned and paid tribute to those that lost

their lives. Let's take a moment

to remember and then MUSIC: Only Want You by

Eagles of Death Metal Tony Scott and Justine Merton

from Leeds were at the Bataclan So they felt compelled

to return last night We spoke to them exclusively just

days after the Paris attacks, Thank you very much for talking

to others, both of you, It was kind of, it was a gig

like any other, but not in the same We have been at some gigs since,

in terms of getting back Last night, there was still a fair

amount of trepidation going there. There was an awful lot

of security, which was There was armed guards

outside the venue. Once you were inside,

the atmosphere was really good and everyone was there

to have a good time. After a while it was almost

like any other than once in awhile you would remember why

you were there, really. I kept looking back at the exit

doors, on occasion. We do tend to find ourselves

making sure where exits Something we never

thought of before. We didn't relax as much

as we would at some gigs. But it was a good gig

and it was good to Kind of finish what

we started, really. If the band could come back

and play, we could go back It kind of felt like

something we had to do. I think we're both

pleased we did it. How moving was it

during the silence? It was moving to

begin with but still He felt like, shut up,

have some respect for people. We were lucky. There were a lot of

people at the Bataclan. It was a moment of silence and reflection to

all the families and people who lost their lives. One or two people

shouted out which they should not have done. We spoke to you several

days after the attack last time, and I want to play a little of what you

said back then. Here it is. We go to a lot of gigs, we met at a rock

concert, and we more often than not go down the front, on the floor, but

we got there late, it was sold out and there were a lot of people so we

went to the back to get a good view. These little decisions which seemed

insignificant, they were the difference between life and death on

Friday. When you heard the gunshots, what did you do this remark we

thought it was part of the show. And then it became clear that that was

gunfire, and it was like, get down, get down, and we felt to be floor.

We felt the floor and hid behind the seeds and lay there for what felt

like an eternity but it was about five minutes, and the shots kept

coming, and the lights came on. There would be a few seconds silence

and they were reloading and they kept going. I remember saying to

Tony, we have got to get out because I just knew that they were just

going round systematically shooting people and if we stayed there, all

they needed to do was come up the stairs and we would be next. There

was an exit behind us which led back to the main hall so we did not want

to go that way, and then we saw there was an exit if we called

towards the stage, at law there. We were crawling along behind the

chairs on our bellies, shuffling along, but there were gaps between

rows of seats which were exposed as we went through it. We assumed the

gunmen were down on the floor but from reports they were on the

balcony as well. There was that fear between having to get from where we

were hiding to wear we were exposed to wear we were hidden again. Once

you got through the door, then what? We got onto the roof. People were

being ushered. There was a rooftop apartment, we were not exactly sure

where it was, but we worked it out in retrospect, we were ushered up

their, and somebody lived there, and it would getting people in through

the window. He was welcome you in? Yes, that house, just the bravery,

he could have just sat there with the lights down and hidden on the

floor but he didn't come he was getting people in. -- he didn't, he

was getting people in. I think the lights went off at one point and we

were in darkness but we could still hear gunfire, and it was like bursts

of gunfire and we still didn't know if we were safe. That was you to

talking to us back in November, obviously. How do you both reflect

now on what you experienced that night? I think we both just feel

really, really fortunate, not just that we managed to get out but that

we escaped the worst of the trauma by not being on the floor. You read

the accounts of people who were down there, lying among the dead and

dying. We got away lightly and we just feel really, really fortunate.

The same for you Tony? Yes, exactly. We escaped pretty much unscathed.

Physically, and for the most part emotionally, yes. There were people

with horrific injuries. Part of our trip to Paris, we went to the

Bataclan yesterday morning and late sunflowers down there. For us that

was more traumatic than they did, really. -- summer flowers. We

realised how close we were, we could see the window where we were hiding

and we realised how close we were to it, really. When we were hiding, I

kept saying, we are safe, we are safe, and you look and realise we

weren't really. We do feel really, really fortunate and ever so

grateful to everyone that night and since then, who have shown us love

and compassion. I remember on the day you spoke to

me in November, you talked a lot about you didn't want what happened

in Paris to lead to more hatred, more revenge, if you like. We talked

a lot of love and compassion. Has it been borne out in the months since,

for you at least? Absolutely, we retraced our steps to where the

police had led us to like a safe area and there had been... There was

a little wine bar that stayed open and gave us cups of tea and coffee

that night. We were able to go back and say thank you to the woman in

there, which was really lovely. It was nice to to be able to say thank

you to at least one of the people who helped us will stop how did you

react? She was taken aback at first, but thank us for coming back to

Paris. It was nice to say thank you to some of these people. A lot of

people helped us that night. Just to say thank you to one of them was

good for us. We really, really eight appreciated all those little

gestures. There was more love on that evening and there was hatred.

Without a doubt. Thank you for talking to us again on the

programme. We appreciate you talking from Paris this morning. Thank you.

Thank you. Why do American gun owners feel

so strongly about their right We've been to meet some gun

enthusiasts in Virginia. The haggling continues

over EU reform. Boris Johnson, the London Mayor

who could be a key player in the UK referendum, has arrived

at Downing Street this morning Norman Smith is there. Did he say

anything on the way out? The fact David Cameron had to summon him to

Downing Street, it underlines how pivotal he may be if Mr Cameron is

going to win this referendum. We note Doris Johnson has been sitting

on the fence, not telling us what he is going to do. He came into Downing

Street this morning. I understand the issue of concern in particular

to him centres on the red card system, which is meant to give other

countries the power to stop some EU laws. Not at all clear it convinced

Doris Johnson. He was in with the Prime Minister for about 40 minutes.

When he eventually emerged from the meeting after speaking to Mr Cameron

and been shown the details of what Mr Cameron was proposing to do, he

didn't say much. What he did say suggested he wanted more to be

delivered by Mr Cameron. This is what he said. As the Prime Minister

done enough to convince you? Are you satisfied? Is the deal good enough?

I will be back. I will be back, no deal. I had a quick chat with him

afterwards. My sense is, he will keep Mr Cameron waiting... And

waiting, until he gets the deal. Once Mr Cameron comes back here,

says what he is going to do, then and only then, I think Boris Johnson

will say whether he is finally going back staying in or leave.

Another drop in unemployment - it dropped by 60,000

between October and December last year to the lowest for a decade.

Average earnings, including bonuses, are up by 1.9%.

Protests on the Greek island of Kos at the opening of a migrant camp

But work on four other new Greek registration centres is completed.

The country's been criticised by the EU for the way it's handled

And 'shocking' that's the view of a campaign group who looked

at the sugar levels of hot drinks in popular high street cafes.

Some have more than 20 teaspoons of sugar in them.

Starbucks was alleged to be the worst offender,

with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot fruit drinks.

Those are the headlines, here is the sport. This heading said his team's

away goal against PSG could be pivotal. Manchester United fans are

planning to protest about the ?71 they are being charged to watch the

Europa League game tomorrow. The manager of Michael Schumacher says

she hopes with continued support and patience, he will one day be back

with us. He suffered severe head injuries in a skiing accident two

years ago. After causing controversy, Ronnie O'Sullivan was

in stunning form winning four frames in 38 minutes to reach the third

round of the Welsh open. That is all the sport, I will be back on BBC

news throughout the day. America has a population

of over 300 million - and around the same number of legal

guns in the country. President Obama says the biggest

regret of his presidency is his failure to secure

effective gun laws. It's estimated that between a third

and half of all Americans own a gun America has more guns per resident

than any other country The latest figures show

that so far in 2016 - 1,566 people have already been

killed through gun violence That's 1,566 people killed

with a gun in the last 48 days. Just last night Governor Jeb Bush -

who's running for US president - tweeted a picture of a handgun

inscribed with his name It was ridiculed by many on Twitter

but many others agree So what explains America's

relationship with guns? Why do gun owners feel so strongly

about their right to carry firearms? Our reporter Thomas Martienssen has

visited Richmond in Virginia, and the Florida Everglades

to try to find out. I would like to say there

was a method, but there really isn't, I see something I want,

it is like women's shoes, I mean, I love it, I have held

full-time jobs before and I loved working those jobs but my true

passion is firearms and guns. This has been a project of mine

for quite a long time. I know we shot these the other day

at the shooting range but this one Even though it says it shoots

single-shot bursts in full auto, this is strictly semi-auto,

I'd don't own any fully automatic weapons, it is just too expensive

for my college budget. This is a really fun rifle,

the largest rifle I have ever owned, That is definitely

really fun to shoot. This is something I picked

up not too long ago. By the way, all these guns

are registered in my name. I purchased them all through local

places in town or online But this is the only gun that is not

registered in my name because it was actually an heirloom

from my grandfather who passed away I have decided to hold onto that,

that would be something When I say just like the one

I carried in the military, This is a regular MP5 SD

without the supressor. That is another AR15

with a suppressor on it. I didn't have one so I ran up

to the Walmart and bought one. One of the things I like about them

is the pure mechanical artistry If you have ever really taken

the time to look at a semi-automatic rifle or semi-automatic pistol,

or even a revolver and watch how all of the intricate parts

work with each other, I'm going to get a few more guns

as soon as I can think When you want to hit the bull's-eye,

that is pretty impressive, I think there is a romantic part

of it, the freedom, there is something that people say,

free men hold weapons, slaves don't. This one is in 1822 Simian North,

one of the first pistols and armaments that the United States

government decided to manufacture. The DNA of the United States

is formed on that independence and self-reliance, plus there

are other things too. Unlike Europe, we have vast expanses

of land, we don't have cities that We have people who have lived out

in little towns that have never been to a big city like New York

or Chicago, and in those areas, the rifle is something that is just

a tool that you keep in the truck. I am in school right now,

at Virginia Commonwealth University, I am just getting my business degree

but I think I want to stay in the firearms industry

because I think it is not going to be going anywhere soon,

it is going to get bigger, Whether I stay here for a long time

or move on, I definitely want to stay in the

industry for sure. This is our wall right here,

we have all different types of makes That is definitely a fun gun,

it has the light on the end. Super iconic if you have grown up

in the 80s and loved all types So down on this section,

the retail side, we have personal defence rounds right here,

we sell hallowed points If you want to purchase a gun,

an assault weapon, the ATF classifies an assault weapon

as a rifle that has a collapsible stock like this one does,

a pistol grip, can take a detachable magazine, a flashlighter

and a bayonet. This does not have a bayonet but it

does have three out of the five criteria which is the ATF's

specification for what an assault When you get an AR15 online

you will need to bring Driver's license, a carrying permit,

voter ID card, vehicle registration and then a third form is going to be

something like proof of citizenship, As soon as we get that we go online

to the Virginia State police background check system,

and we enter that information. I will submit mine or somebody

will submit it for me when I am It will usually come approved right

away and then we print out the approval form and they pay

the transfer fee, which is $28, and they can take their gun

home with them. You can usually get it

that day, depending. That is in the state of Virginia,

each state is different. Some states, I think

you might have a wait period, but in Virginia, you can usually

leave that day with your weapon. We have been taught,

you have a gun, you go hunt animals and you feed the family,

and I think if that is taken away from us, as Americans,

we lose that sense, because we have been raised to take care

of our families. The feeling you get,

you have empowered yourself, and especially for women

that is really important for us, to feel we are empowered

and can protect ourselves. We get to go outside,

we get to go to places like this, and we get to fire,

and you can practice it, You have got antique gun collectors

that get all excited about these I think there is so much benefit

there. A lot of people are

missing out on it. I always thought about what I would

do if I wasn't into guns. Probably maybe still music,

maybe something else, but I'm really glad I found some

sort of niche, and I fell in love with it so it is

definitely really fun. They talk about the 34,000 people

that die from gun violence. What you really need to do

is deconstruct that number and when you look at it, 61%

of those gun deaths were suicide. When somebody hangs themselves,

would you consider When you look at that number

and break it down even further you are going to see that people

talk about accidents. When a toddler accidentally shoots

somebody or a father accidentally shoots his son or husband

accidentally shoots his wife because she is coming in late,

that is about 600 deaths a year. Again, in a country of 300 million,

each one is tragic, but does it take And if you want to share that film -

or watch it again - When you're getting a hot drink

from a well-known high street coffee shop chains do you worry about how

much sugar they contain? Would you even be able to guess how

much sugar is in them? Of course not if you're anything

like me! Well, the campaign group Action

on Sugar is warning some flavoured coffees and other hot drinks contain

dangerously high levels - and one even contains

25 teaspoons of sugar. They looked at 131 drinks from 9

of the UK biggest chains. 98 percent would be given a red

nutritional value level And one third had at least the same

amount of sugar as Coke - Jennifer Rosborough

is a nutritionist and campaign Just explain what the recommended

daily limit for added sugar The maximum amount is seven

teaspoons a day. And for children? Depending on the age, five or six

teaspoons. So we've been out to buy some

of the worse offenders this morning. This is a Starbucks large Grape

with Chai, Orange and Can I pull this out onto our bar?

Look at how much sugar that is. How do you react to that? I am shocked,

we carried out a survey and I am really shocked, it is over three

times the amount are maximum recommended intake. In one drink.

That is the equivalent of a packet of chocolate digestives. For

dramatic effect, I will get the whole lot out of the packet beakers

you would probably not the whole packet of chocolate digestives in

one go. But you would get through the drink quite easily. You would

not eat that in one go. That is the worst offender.

Starbucks told us they don't sell it anymore - although we managed

to buy it this morning - and we couldn't find anymore

nutritional information on their website.

This is Costa's large eat-in Chai Latte -

it's a mixture of black tea, aromatic spices and is served

How many teaspoons of sugar in that? 20 teaspoons of sugar. Here we go.

Much more than you would put in a cup of coffee if you put its -- made

it at home. That is 667 calories and 18 grams of fat. Have you react to

that? That is shopping as well. -- how do you. -- shopping.

This is Caffe Nero's drink-in Caramelatte.

On Nero's website this drink is described as 'pure indulgence' -

it has a shot of vanilla syrup, steamed milk, and is topped

with whipped cream and caramel sauce.

How much sugar? 13 teaspoons. You would expect more sugar. But not 13.

Twice the amount of your maximum daily intake. 485 calories and 25

grams of fat. What is the problem? We don't drink these as treats. We

go to coffee shops every morning before work, it is routine, it is

habitual, and people are just not aware of the amount of sugar in them

impaired to how much we should or shouldn't be having a day. What you

want to see happen? We want people to be more informed and feel

empowered to they make choices but that target a small amount of the

population who look at the information and can interpret it so

the population BLEEP was possibility is on the coffee chain manufacturers

to reduce the amount of sugar because there is no reason why there

should be 20 or 25 spoons of sugar in one drink alone. There is, it

tastes really nice! That is because we have got used to that, everything

is getting sweeter. Not everything. A lot of the drinks we looked at

getting sweeter. If we gradually reduce them, then we do not notice

the change so much. A gradual reduction will be the best approach.

How much more sugar is there in this massive hot fruit drink compared to

this? Three times the amount. A shocking amount of sugar in the

cola. Nine teaspoons. There was just under three times the amount of

sugar in that drink. Over three times the amount of sugar. I see

what you mean. There is more sugar in that than that. That will be

interesting to our audience because there is no way I realised that. Let

me read comments from people. Deb says, the nanny state are out in

force. If you are bothered, you would not drink it. I don't think

people realise there was that dangerous high amount of sugar in

these drinks. Why is it dangerous? We know that sugar contributes to

weight gain, tooth decay, type two diabetes, so it does cause health

problems and if we are not aware, we would carry on drinking. We have

become accustomed to the sweet taste. They have grabbed good

headlines with their 25 spoonfuls of sugar. This is in the Starbucks

vente. It is a size was of course. How many do they sell a week? Do we

know? It might be off their menu is a festive drink that you can still

ask for that. Let's see what the various companies say. Starbucks

told us: how do you react to that? They cooperate really well. They are

looking to make changes but if we think about the amount of sugar in

them, we just need more change than that. You mean, that is taking too

long, or the 25% reduction by 2020 is not enough? We would like to see

higher. 40%, 50%? 40% by 2020 would be realistic but it does take time

for manufacturers to put it in place and reduce the amount of sugar.

David Cameron is and reduce the amount of sugar.

childhood obesity strategy any time now so we want these mandatory

targets for sugar reduction in food and drink and be a part of that.

Mandatory and not voluntary. The Starbucks statement goes on:

We offer a wide variety of lighter options, sugar-free syrups

and sugar-free natural sweetener and we display all nutritional

yes, it is displayed in store but some people will be more

health-conscious and read the information but they need to take

responsibility as well, so selling cup sizes that big is unnecessary,

go for smaller portions. Ban the large cuts? Get yes. No way! Take

the trees away from the consumer? They do an extra large cup now so

even if we went to a smaller drink, that would cut the sugar. But it is

up to us! We want to see smaller amounts of portion sizes. Costa

say... Is that enough for you? It is good they are moving in the right

erection, that is why we do this kind of survey and that is what we

ultimately want to see. We also approached Caffe Nero for a

statement but they have not come back to us yet. Thank you very much

for coming on the programme. We await David Cameron's childhood

obesity strategy which is due any time now, I think.

Apple says it will challenge a court order to allow the FBI to break

into an iPhone recovered from the man behind a mass shooting

Our Technology Correspondent, Rory Cellen-Jones is here.

Phil is in on the background and I will ask you why they are

challenging this. There has been a long row between technology

companies, phone companies in particular, and the police and

security and intelligence agencies, about encryption, which is the way

messages are effectively encoded, though it is more difficult for the

police and security agencies to get at them, and it has come to a head

with the San Bernardino case which the FBI is investigating. They have

the iPhone that the shooter had and it wants to know more about what is

on it but it is protected by Apple's security system. Apple has published

an open letter to its customers and said, we have given all the data we

have got, we have a certain amount of data, but on modern phones, we do

not have a lot of the data, it is secured to the customer. Once the

customer has bought the iPhone and installed the security system as it

were, you cannot get at it and we are not prepared to do what the FBI

is asking. Are we talking about more than the pin code or was it more? It

is more than that. Tim Cook says in the letter that they have asked us

to build a back door the iPhone. The FBI have asked Apple to build a

whole new operating system for the phone which will somehow enable BS

EIA to get in there and see what is going on. -- the FBI. Apple have

said it is a step too far. The big row is that more and more phones

have an end to end encryption. The data is private between you and me

and even Apple cannot find out what message we sent to each other. The

online community, whose side are they on? The online the, the people

who are keen on security, are on Apple's side. I have had a lot of

messages this morning, most of them supporting Apple, but a couple of

them may be taking the more common view. This is a criminal, you have

got to get this information. Thank you. Have a good day, Joanna is

presenting the programme tomorrow. I've had a message from China,

from my birth mother.