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Hello it's Tuesday it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
Maria Sharapova, the World's highest paid female sports star is facing | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
a lengthy ban from tennis after failing a drugs test. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
I made a huge mistake and I've let my fans down, I've let the sport | :00:23. | :00:31. | |
down that I've been playing since the age of four that I love so | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
deeply. The tennis world has been | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
divided on her fate. 18 times grand slam winner | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
Martina Navratilova called it an "honest mistake" whereas 3 | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
times grand slam champion Jennifer Capriati says she's | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
"extremely angry and disappointed". Also on the programme, | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
"no significant investment" in mental health services | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
for children despite Government promises of an extra ?150 million | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
this financial year. Plus, Energy firm Npower is cutting | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
a fifth of its workforce If you work at the company, | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
get in touch and tell Hello, welcome to the programme, | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
we're on BBC 2 and the BBC Throughout the morning we'll bring | :01:16. | :01:27. | |
you the latest breaking news As always, really keen to hear | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
from you on all the issues we're You can get in touch | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
in the usual ways. If you text, you will be charged | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
at the standard network rate. And of course you can watch | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
the programme online wherever you are via the bbc news app | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Mental health providers in England | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
say they've seen "no significant investment" in psychiatric services | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
for children despite Government Last summer, ministers said they'd | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
invest an extra ?150 million Health trusts say some services | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
are still being cut. So what impact is this having | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
on people trying to use She's been using child adolescent | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
mental health services since she was 11 and says she often | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
has to wait months for Sean Duggan, is the chief executive | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
for the Centre for Mental Health an independent charity | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
and Dr Jon Goldin is a Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Tells your view on this, Sean? The | :02:42. | :02:51. | |
Priority's got to be in mental Health Services, we've always known | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
this, for child and adolescent mental health care. One in ten | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
children suffer from a mental health problem so that's three children in | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
every class. We are expecting and we are delighted about extra investment | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
in the services. The fact it's not coming through, the providers are | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
telling us it's not coming through, is a cause for real concern. Why do | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
you think it's not coming through? It was promised? A number of | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
reasons. We need to get hold of the facts. But there are reports the | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
money's being used by Clinical Commissioning Groups for other | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
reasons, other pressing priorities. There is no other better priority | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
than child and adolescent mental health care. It's a very complicated | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
set-up, a very complicated arrangement, and this, for the money | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
to be used efficiently and effectively, it really has to be | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
designed really well. We know a lot about the evidence as to the | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
interventions that work. They have to be targeted properly, they have | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
to have the right professionals in place to do that. All that takes | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
time but that should have been thought of at the very beginning, so | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
we are not in this position now, towards the end of the financial | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
year suggesting the money's not getting through. That's not an | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
excuse. There are some probably legitimate delays. Let's be open and | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
transparent about that. Let's not have a situation where we are | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
thinking the money's maybe been used for other reasons. Joining us as | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
well now Dr John Golding, child psychiatrist at Great Ormond Street | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
Hospital. Thank you very much for joining us. Are you seeing any | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
evidence of extra money filtering through? It's good news that more | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
money has been promise and we are seeing some evidence but I don't | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
think all the money is getting to the front line services as it should | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
be. So what evidence have you seen? I know there have been | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
transformation plans over the last few months which have bid for money | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
and they have been successful in achieving that money. So some money | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
is reaching it. So it's all promises at the moment still is it or, are | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
you hearing about front line services getting the cash? I'm | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
hearing about some front line services getting the cash but also | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
hearing about some money not reaching the services anecdotally. | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
The money isn't ringfenced for CAMS. ?1. ?1. 24 billion has been promised | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
over the next I think five years but there's evidence not all of the | :05:13. | :05:20. | |
money is getting to the NHS. CCG is using the money for other things. | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
CAMS is child and adolescent mental services. There is a real suspicion | :05:29. | :05:37. | |
that the money could go elsewhere. The money's gone to Clinical | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
Commissioning Groups then. How important is transparency? It's | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
crucially important and, unfor Natalie the Clinical Commissioning | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
Groups are under huge financial pressure and the money doesn't go | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
direct to where it's promised to go to always so we need to track the | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
money and make sure it goes where it should. Do you think the money | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
should be ringfenced? I do. It's an absolute priority and we have seen | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
in the past that where money's been promised in certain areas, and with | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
mental health it's not uncommon, if you don't ringfence the money, it | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
can go off to seemingly more important areas. We definitely need | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
to be transparent about this because the only way this will work is for | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
Clinical Commissioning Groups to work in partnership with education, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
with schools, with the NHS providers, and they all need to have | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
trust in that the money's being put through and that they can work out | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
the financial plans and get the job done. The Government's identified | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
this as a key area. Let's talk a bit more about the impact of resourcing | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
on treatment for young people. Earlier, the parents of 15-year-old | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
Matthew Garnett who has been sectioned for the last six months | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
told BBC Breakfast that they feet like they had no rights. | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
Parents and the child in this are seem to be devoid of their rights. | :07:02. | :07:11. | |
It is absurd and when I tell friends who've got typical children, they | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
don't believe that this can be happening in 2016. Our most | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
vulnerable people are being abused by this system and I can't think of | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
a better word, to me it feels like abuse. Systematic abuse. Isabelle | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
Garnett. Amy, you have needed help through mental Health Services? Yes. | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
How have you felt about the service you have received? Well, once I've | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
had access to the service, it was fantastic and I, you know, owe my | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
life to the mental Health Services. The problem that I face and many | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
other people are facing is getting that access to them. When I was | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
referred to the child and adolescent mental Health Service, it took three | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
months. That three-month period, I was getting worse and worse, | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
unfortunately, I was very suddal and hadn't had one appointment with | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
them, so three months of referrals and I still hadn't seen them. It | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
wasn't until I had to take myself to A because I was at risk that they | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
finally noticed me and gave me an appointment. Honestly, if I hadn't | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
gone to A, I don't know when I wouldn't have been seen, I don't | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
know if I would still be here, it's so urgent. What was it that took you | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
to A, it's a story we have heard from so many people seeking mental | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
health support that they have ended up getting it only as a result of | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
going to A? Yes, absolutely. My mum was aware of the issues going | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
on. One night she found me self-harming and it was getting to | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
the point where she didn't know what to do. My mum is a single mum, how | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
could she help me, she could see her daughter hurting herself and | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
suicidal and she didn't know what to do. There was no other option than | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
to go to A because obviously CAMS had been paying no attention to me | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
and it was to the point that my mum didn't... When you say paying no | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
attention to you. What were you being told when you were going to | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
see, presumably your GP initially, what were you told about what help | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
you might expect and when you might get it? As soon as I went to the GP | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
and got diagnosis I was put on medication. How old were you then? I | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
was 15. They said, you need to have ongoing therapy every week, as well | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
as the medication from CAMS. They referred me and said I would hear | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
from them within a week. Every time I'd called CAMS to chase them up, I | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
was told, I'm on a waiting list, they have to put high priority cases | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
in front of me. That was hordible to hear because I felt why aren't I a | :09:48. | :09:55. | |
high priority case -- horrible to hear. I thought, do I need to stand | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
in front of you with a gun to my head for you to see that I need | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
help. John, being prescribed medication at 15 sounds drastic? | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
There is evidence for the use of medication but therapeutic | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
approaches are important too. What Amy says is often sadly too that the | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
threshold in CAMS is often too high so one needs to be suicidal or | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
self-harming before one reaches the threshold. CAMS colleagues work hard | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
under difficult circumstances and are very committed but the resources | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
aren't adequate to meet the need. So explain in practise how that works | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
then? Is it a common thing for a child to present as needing help but | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
they are told well, you are not serious enough at the moment and | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
then, as time goes on, they hit the threshold? That does unfortunately | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
happen far too frequently. For very stretched service that are under | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
resourced, they have to manage the demand as best they can and they are | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
in a very difficult. Situation, as Amy, is, as a young person that | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
needs help. Sean, are kids just being let down here? Well, they are | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
and three months was clearly and is too long to wait until you get a | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
treatment plan. We have reports across the UK where it's over a | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
year. Real access problems and kids are being let down. They need access | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
to child and adolescent mental Health Services, but there is a | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
whole raft of other interventions that work well. For example, | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
parenting programmes, group anti-bullying programmes at school | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
and anger management programmes at school for children. These are | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
really effective programmes. They are not expensive and the savings | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
that you get back on that are really quite impressive that. 'S why we | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
have extra money coming in now and we really by this stage should start | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
to be seeing some improvements. There is some inprovements across | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
the country but not enough. In terms of the general trajectory | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
and the fact that it's an issue being talked about much more widely | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
in politics, as well as obviously in other environments too, are you | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
confident that the money has been promised and that the trajectory is | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
now the right one, the right thing is being done? I am and we are | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
confident. And the money that is being promised, the ?1. 25 billion | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
over five years, what change will that deliver? Oh, it will deliver | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
considerable improvements. There is arguments as to whether it's enough, | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
there always is arguments. But it will speed up the access, eradicate | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
some of the problems Amy is describing earlier, so there'll be | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
better access, my honourable friend more staff within the services to be | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
able to help the assessment and a treatment plan and it will provide | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
some of the things I was talking about, the wider treatment areas | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
which are really effective - help in schools, bringing in the education | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
authorities, making sure the teachers can screen and talk to | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
professionals when they want to so they can pick up problems at an | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
early stage. John, why have resources been so stretched? Is it | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
because it's a growing problem in terms of the number of children you | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
are seeing and the issues that you are dealing with? There is been | :13:09. | :13:19. | |
dis-investment in CAMS. It's only recently there's more awareness of | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
CAMS and there is an increased prevalence of child mental health | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
problems, anxiety self-harm, depression, they are all on the | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
increase amongst teenagers in our society today sadly. What is the | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
best advice that you would give to somebody who perhaps is like Amy was | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
when she was waiting for that help and it wasn't forthcoming and | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
obviously time passes, the situation gets worse. What would you say to a | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
parent or a child who's currently in that exact position? It is very | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
difficult to offer advice that will simply meet the need but talking to | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
people is crucial, not being isolated. A lot of people use online | :13:57. | :14:06. | |
services but making sure that you talk to someone. A friend, parent, | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
teacher, your GP. Obviously, they need to put pressure on the CAMS | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
services to offer you the resource needed. CAMS are stretched so we are | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
in a bind but I'm hoping, those of us that work in CAMS that things | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
will improve. Amy, in the end, you have come through having been | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
treated success think, you are 18, at 15 you were prescribed | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
medication. What was it that particularly worked for you in the | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
end? Just finding a therapist who worked for CAMS that really worked | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
for me and took the time to treat me really. Once I'd got the access to | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
them and started seeing him, you know, it got so much better just | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
having someone who can explain things to you, you know, young | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
people, they have these conditions but it's so hard to understand what | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
is happening to us or to our minds, especially with mental health | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
conditions, so just having a professional to sit and explain | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
things to you and make you feel, you know, have an understanding of | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
yourself, it's so important. That's what really helped me the most. | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
Thank you all very much, John, Sean and Amy. An anonymous texter saying | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
CAMS are under funded. If children get help earlier in life, they have | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
a level based approach to adulthood. As a magistrate I see how long it | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
takes to access CAMS. We asked the Government | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
to talk to us this morning The FA bans a club chairman for five | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
games for allegedly saying a female ref can't | :15:35. | :16:08. | |
cut it in the men's game - we speak to her exclusively - | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
it comes as a new survey says half of all women working in football | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
have experienced sexism including 27-year-old Josh Hanson was killed | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
in a London pub last October. He was stabbed in the neck | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
in an apparently unprovoked attack. We speak to Josh's family, | :16:21. | :16:37. | |
who are desperate for a man wanted in connection with his death | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
to hand himself in. First it's the main | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
news this morning. The energy firm Npower confirms | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK after reporting an annual loss | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
of ?90 million. The job losses represent | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
about a fifth of the workforce. EU leaders reach a broad agreement | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
with Turkey on returning migrants In return, the EU will promise | :16:53. | :17:02. | |
to resettle a similar number of Syrians and will speed up | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
the payment of financial after the tennis champion admitted | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
failing a drugs test. The sportswear giant Nike says it's | :17:09. | :17:25. | |
suspending its relationship with the star while the Swiss watch | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
brand Tag Heuer says it's stopped Boris Johnson says a memo | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
instructing his senior staff to back him over the EU | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
referendum has been withdrawn. The London mayor, who wants to leave | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
the EU, said the email was "a cock-up, and not | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
something I agree with". Mental health providers in England | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
say they've seen "no significant investment" in psychiatric | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
services for children Last summer ministers said | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
they would invest an additional we have more on Maria Sharapova and | :17:49. | :18:05. | |
what could potentially signal the end of her career. | :18:06. | :18:14. | |
Last night we knew she had called a press conference and half expected | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
her to retire there and then. It was about half filled drugs test and it | :18:21. | :18:33. | |
leads the papers. It is front and back page news on the Daily Mirror. | :18:34. | :18:45. | |
She has failed a drugs test. Mel Dorney is thought to improve injury | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
during Sandra Coveney but she's then she has been using it for the past | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
decade and a dozen ever caused the problem. Apparently only since | :18:54. | :19:02. | |
January has this been banned. She faces a four year ban. To offer her | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
main sponsors have suspended their relationship with the tennis star | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
until the investigation concludes. We will be looking at that in detail | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
after 10am. Victoria Pendleton, Britain's Olympic cycling champion, | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
has been given the go-ahead to race at the Cheltenham festival last -- | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
next week. We will have more details on that and Maria Sharapova just | :19:33. | :19:34. | |
after 10am. A majority of women working | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
in football say they've witnessed sexism at work, almost a quarter say | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
they've experienced bullying and 15% claim they've been victims | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
of sexual harassment. That's according to a survey | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
from the campaigning organisation Women in Football who say | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
the game has an "ingrained, systemic problem of sexist culture" | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
and criticised football's institutions for not doing | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
enough to improve it. So is football stuck | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
in the dark ages when it comes This programme can reveal | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
for the first time that the Football Association fined and banned a club | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
chairman for abusing a female official after he was alleged | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
to have said she wasn't fit Martin Potton, the chairman | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
of non-league club Wellingborough Town, | :20:16. | :20:25. | |
was fined ?75, yes ?75, and banned for five games last year | :20:26. | :20:26. | |
by the FA for using derogatory and insulting language | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
towards a 22-year-old The referee, Mary Harmer, | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
has been speaking exclusively Our reporter Robyn | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
Cowen has the story. Women are becoming more visible | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
in the football industry, in the boardroom, pitch | :20:47. | :20:48. | |
side, whether it is playing or working as a referee | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
or doctor, and in the media. But it seems there | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
are still those who do not want females in | :20:57. | :20:58. | |
any part of football. Lindsay England runs | :20:59. | :21:00. | |
the anti-homophobia campaign Just Last year football fan Lindsay | :21:01. | :21:01. | |
was at a match at Wellingborough Town Football Club when she heard | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
somebody abusing the female referee Just after half-time | :21:06. | :21:07. | |
I was out on the decking area The team was losing 4-0 at the time | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
and within a few minutes And this gentleman | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
who was part of the corporate area enjoying | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
the hospitality as well decided to say that it was the referee's | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
fault that his team were losing 7-0 because she happened to be | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
female and she wasn't fit to referee in a women's game, | :21:32. | :21:40. | |
let alone in a men's game. And then he carried | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
on and carried on and he was going on about - | :21:44. | :21:45. | |
I don't understand what the world's coming to these days, | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
women seem to get in everywhere. Wherever you turn these days, | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
you can't go to work or you | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
can't go to enjoy yourself without women being there | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
and being in charge. I was shocked to find | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
out it was the chairman Lindsay reported these | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
comments from Wellingborough Town chairman Martin Potton | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
to the Football Association. We understand her claims | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
were corroborated by After a hearing which Mr Potton | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
didn't attend the FA fined him ?75, banned him from the ground for five | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
matches and ordered him to attend Mr Potton denies the | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
claims and continues "I deny all the charges | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
but was found guilty in my absence because I was denied | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
the opportunity of a personal The FA say they offered | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
Mr Potton a personal hearing The referee that day | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
was Mary Harmer. She didn't hear Mr Potton's comments | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
at the time and wasn't involved I didn't find out about the comments | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
until a few weeks after when I was perhaps contacted by the county FA | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
asking whether I heard these I was actually refereeing the game | :22:50. | :22:51. | |
at the time so I didn't hear them because I'm so focused | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
on getting the decisions right that I don't often hear what | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
the players say or the crowd. I think sometimes when you hear | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
those comments it makes you want to work even harder | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
and prove that actually women are good referees | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
and sometimes we might These comments were something that | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
are part of the past and it's The game is changing and sometimes | :23:11. | :23:20. | |
people turn their heads, when I warm up and referee | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
a game it's quite funny, it's like dominoes, | :23:30. | :23:31. | |
they turn their heads. They say, it is a female | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
referee today. But actually, I see a time | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
in maybe five years' time, and it might be five years, | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
it's a referee, it's not a female referee, it's just a referee | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
and they are there to do their job. Just an equal, just | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
as much as a male I've seen quite a few referees over | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
the last two or three years and they know it goes | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
on and sometimes it just goes over Sometimes it does upset them, | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
sometimes it does hurt them, sometimes they don't report it | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
and sometimes they do. It's just part and parcel | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
of the game, sadly, which is there, To be honest, I've | :24:05. | :24:06. | |
gone to a game before and someone has said to me, | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
I don't think we should have female referees in the game and I said | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
let's get a cup of tea and sit down and chat, and talk to me | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
as to why you think we shouldn't have | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
females in the game. And I'm really interested | :24:20. | :24:28. | |
to get your point of view. To be honest, he simply said I'm | :24:29. | :24:30. | |
a dinosaur and I don't like change. I said, I'm sorry but actually | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
football is changing. My experience of male football has | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
been very positive and the comments I have received from them have | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
always been very embracing I think players just | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
want to have a referee that always does their best, | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
shows that they want to be there and are enjoying the game just | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
as much as the players are and I think that's probably | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
the most important thing. Although Mary is determined to be | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
positive the sanctions handed out by the FA to Martin | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
Potton have divided opinion on how | :24:59. | :25:00. | |
effective they will be. Janie Frampton was only the second | :25:01. | :25:01. | |
woman to referee in men's I don't think it really | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
matters what you gave him. Because I think again it's | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
about changing the mindset. Are you going to fine him | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
?200, ?300, are you Is that really going to make | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
any more difference? I think maybe doing some form | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
of community service with women's football | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
might be more helpful. Make them see the sort of people | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
that actually are involved, what they do and the passion | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
that drives them. I have been driven by a passion | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
for football per se since Why shouldn't I be allowed to be | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
involved in football At the age of just 22 | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
Mary is just one of only four women in England who are | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
county referee development managers. She was recruited by Laura Smith, | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
the CEO at Suffolk County FA. I believe that once | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
people get to know you and how passionate | :25:48. | :25:57. | |
you are about the game and your understanding of the game | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
then your agenda has You could do a good | :26:00. | :26:01. | |
job, whether you are at Suffolk, males | :26:02. | :26:29. | |
and females, have all I'm responsible for | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
all of the referees in Suffolk, responsible | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
for recruiting them and leading a team that will find | :26:34. | :26:35. | |
opportunities for I always say that my | :26:36. | :26:37. | |
role is to fulfil every referee's | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
potential in Suffolk. Whether that means they want to get | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
to the county level, or whether they want to reach | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
the professional game I will always and courage them and | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
support them until We are there to provide | :26:48. | :26:49. | |
a service and to referee the game and to give our | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
best, whatever game it is. I think that's also | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
really important that we treat each game equally as if it's | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
a cup final every time we go I guess I could go back | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
to when I started refereeing. And I used to think | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
then that the FA were doing a great job around racist | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
comments, even back then. But I felt that people | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
could almost call me Being a gender issue | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
there was no route to take it, The FA say they have now put | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
into place a system that means unacceptable behaviour | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
can be challenged. Any time that discriminatory abuse | :27:20. | :27:20. | |
occurs in football it's just frankly Generally across the game we've been | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
an encouraging environment of collective | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
responsibility from club level, with stewards, | :27:27. | :27:27. | |
safety officers etc, all the way through to ourselves, | :27:28. | :27:37. | |
that whenever discriminatory abuse arises, of any form, | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
that people are confident It's really important | :27:41. | :27:42. | |
that we create an environment where people feel | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
comfortable to challenge And confident they'll | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
be supported if they do challenge, whether that's | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
in an employment setting, or whether that's in | :27:50. | :27:51. | |
a match environment. But that people feel they will be | :27:52. | :27:53. | |
listened to and be investigated and there will be an outcome | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
through that process. New research published today | :27:57. | :28:08. | |
by Liverpool University for Women in Football revealed that 70% | :28:09. | :28:24. | |
of the survey respondents felt they had to be better | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
than their male counterparts to succeed | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
in all jobs in football. I think unfortunately in the past | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
I have felt that to be better than the boys I have | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
to be twice as good. And unfortunately that | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
has been the case. But I think again moving | :28:37. | :28:37. | |
forward that's the kind of mindset that is being opened | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
and everyone is equal, the fact we are embracing | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
females in the game in all I think, female or male, | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
anyone interested in becoming a referee never to take | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
the comments that people shout at you | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
or say personally. If every referee took | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
the comments personally then unfortunately we wouldn't | :28:56. | :28:56. | |
have any referees. We need to be doing all we can | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
to support referees and encourage more referees to take up | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
the whistle and get involved. Martin Poulton denies the claims | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
being made against him. But is football stuck | :29:05. | :29:11. | |
in the dark ages when it comes We can speak now to Anna Kessel, | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
a journalist at the Guardian who runs the campaign | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
group Women in Football, who've released a survey today | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
which suggests most women working in football have experienced sexism, | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
Annie Zaidi, who coaches Leicester City's under-11s, | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
Janie Frampton, a former referee, and Carolyn Radford, | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
who's the Chief Executive He denies that he did it, but the FA | :29:27. | :29:42. | |
found against him and decided ?75 fine and a five match ban was the | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
right punishment. The level of the find tends to reflect the level of | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
football so if it was the Premier League he would have received a | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
bigger fine. There is an educational element alongside that. In our | :29:57. | :30:05. | |
survey woman said that her organisation has paid out thousands | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
of pounds re-educating people landed there is not changing anything. We | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
have to look at how effective it is. Burying in mind that so few of these | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
cases ever get reported. See the light of day. Women in football has | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
these new statistics. What would you say about the broader trends? It is | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
worrying that over half of women have experienced sexism in the | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
workplace. These statistics are concerning an sexism has been left | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
off the radar when it comes to football. We have had 20 years of | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
other kinds of campaign so we have to catch up. What have your | :30:48. | :30:56. | |
experiences been? I experienced racism and sexism and I think sexism | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
is sugar coated in the game. It demoralises the female coach, | :31:04. | :31:03. | |
undermines you. I started out as a grass roots | :31:04. | :31:18. | |
coach. Women in the game are far and few. You have to question why, is it | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
because we are not good enough, no, the opportunities aren't there for | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
us. There's no-one there pioneering or giving us the opportunity to have | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
a go and show us the respect we Zoe serve. What's your experience been? | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
Very similar experience. Early days when I was refereeing, you didn't | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
think there was anybody there to support you if you did want to say | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
anything, so I think we tolerated it. What sort of things did you | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
experience? Oh, awful things. Some of the comments wereth made were | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
horrendous. The worst thing ever said was that I was running the line | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
at a professional club and I was told that, I hope your children die | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
of cancer. I looked at that and thought, what has that got to do | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
with football, are you doing it to put me off my game or, is it just | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
because I'm female? They wouldn't say that to a male assistant | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
referee. Steve on Twitter says refs of both sexes get abuse in football, | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
jostled and intimidated, try it in rugby and you're off. Is that a fair | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
comment, it happens to all? I think it does. All the way through you get | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
the ref abuse which is normal, male and female, then on top of that, we | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
get the gender abuse added. Like Annie said, there was never anywhere | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
to report it so you felt you had to put up with it to stay in the game | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
you were passionate about. Carolyn, do you feel like a woman in a man's | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
world? Yes. I mean I think football's still very hostile | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
territory for women. The language described on my appointment was made | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
me quite alert, it was how I looked, my blonde hair and there were | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
horrible comments made about me. I don't look on the Internet or | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
anything like that. But it definitely wasn't about my | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
qualifications or ability to do a job. You'd gone into football as a | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
CEO from the business world hadn't you, so was it a bit of a culture | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
shock for you? A huge culture shock. I don't think really that, it's | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
almost like you are involved with football so you are expected to put | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
up with it, but I don't think any other industry in the world would | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
put up with the level of abuse that you have to dismiss and just put up | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
with. It's not right. How do you deal with it at your | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
club? Well, since I've come in, at our | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
club, we didn't have a female football team at all. So they'd been | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
dismissed a couple of seasons prior to my appointment. They've brought | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
them back in and we are allowed to play on the same pitch as the first | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
team and use the same facilities. In other professional clubs and | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
non-league as well. Women are very much sidelined in the football arena | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
in other clubs. Anna, you said it's demoralising when you get the abuse | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
that you have experienced. How do you deal with it? You report it but | :34:27. | :34:35. | |
then you end up being not wanting to break the mould because football is | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
a tight-knit community. If you complain about anything, you are | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
labelled a troublemaker after ruffling the feathers. Are there | :34:44. | :34:53. | |
signs that it's being taken seriously at senior level? I think | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
last season, highlighting, as we did, the sexist abuse that Dr | :34:59. | :35:08. | |
Canieiro got, it brought up this issue, so I hope that things are | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
changing but very strongly saying things that women are frightened to | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
report it. When they do, there were several claims they were threatened | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
to withdraw the complaint or if they were reporting it, they didn't know | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
where to go, sometimes it was their boss and like Annie says, it's a | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
close-knit community, if you burn your bridges, you could be out. You | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
have high ambitions Annie to be a top flight coach haven't you? In a | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
men's game, yes. If you achieve it, you would be the first woman to get | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
there. What help are you getting? I'm for Nat that QPR manager, Les | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
Ferdinand saw potential in me as a coach, not as a woman, but both him | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
and Chris are nurturing my development. My ambition is to work | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
in a men's game and they are saying, if you want to gain experience, yes. | :36:04. | :36:14. | |
After a few years, I was given the opportunity to go to QPR week in | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
week out to coach the under 21s and 18s in that male environment. How | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
are you finding it? I love it, I can't get enough of it. Society | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
makes a big deal out of it. As long as you know what you are doing and | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
you are a confident and good coach, that's all the players are concerned | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
about. Some e-mails, let me know what you think about them. Tony on | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
e-mail, football's always been a man's game, women should expect | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
problems when they become involved. There is a successful women's game | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
so why are women so keen to infill freight the men's. An anonymous | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
texter, no objection to referring to women's football but every time we | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
see a female Hoy profile ref it always endsth ends up with issues or | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
the courts. Peter, women complaining again, if life if you are good | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
enough no-one notices you, if you need to use your gender to get on, | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
maybe you should question your ability. From a referee's point of | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
view, we don't have problems with the players. They are the least of | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
our problems, they are brilliant. Very rare do you have a problem as a | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
female referee on the field of play. But it is the administration, the | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
management, the decision-makers, that's where the problem is. They | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
are the mindsets that just can't seem to change and move on. I think | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
it's important to say the survey covered all levels of football right | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
up to the most elite level but also across the men and women's game so | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
it's not to say that all the problems are located in the men's | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
game, in the women's game, women are being squeezed out, there are only | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
two female coaches in the WSL league and the women's game is still | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
predominantly run by men. On that, women in sport have unfailed the | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
first woman, Mark Sampson the English patron? That's following the | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
trend of he for she and that's something we want to encourage more, | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
male mentors and it's important when you see what Annie is doing at QPR | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
with Les and Chris. There are women coaches wanting to come through and | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
facing a lot of barriers. Thank you all very much for your comments. | :38:20. | :38:30. | |
Still to come: Maria Sharapova is facing a lengthy ban from tennis | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
after failing a drugs test. Still to come today; 'they can | :38:33. | :38:46. | |
accomplish anything, The words of artist Dan White | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
who has transformed his nine-year old disabled daughter into a comic | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
book superhero whose disability I'm Dan White, writer and creator of | :38:55. | :39:15. | |
the Department of Ability. I'm father to Emily, she's nine and has | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
spina bifida and hydro-cephalis. It's a comic for kids. It's going to | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
be a comic book about five main characters, each with a visible | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
disability which becomes their ultimate weapon to fight bad guys. | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
I'm the head of the gang and I've got a flying wheelchair. Giving up | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
the job was a necessity. I was working long hours 6-6, that took a | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
lot of time, I would draw through to the early hours, be out the door | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
again in the morning. I've been commissioned by Strong Bones | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
Charitable Trust who're saying, create a comic book around your | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
heroes, we'll pay for print and distribution because we are after | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
getting the message of inclusion out there via something that all | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
children love which is super heroes. We are just getting by. Obviously we | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
have got loans and things like that to support us, but it's never really | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
been about the money side of it. It's nice to be part of the whole | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
diversity inclusion umbrella that seems to be gathering speed. I feel | :40:25. | :40:33. | |
left out sometimes. She was always super. Her attitude's always been | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
like, I'm going to do something and it's not going to hold me back. | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
That's a general trend around the kids regardless of ability because | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
all kids are fantastic little sponges that will soak up knowledge | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
and information. There's no reason why disabled kids are any different. | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
How was school? Good, thank you. I've been working on a new | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
character. Rio with the running blade, I've drawn him in, he's going | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
to save Pawsey at the end, leap on his back at the end. What do you | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
reckon? He and Pawsey could be a team. Brilliant. | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
I want to see that people like me can go in shows and feel included. | :41:18. | :41:26. | |
When Emily was first diagnosed, we made a promise as parents like no, | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
we are going to get on with they are, she's going to be independent | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
and she'll make good of herself. People are doing it these days | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
because they want to say to other community, look, my child's in a | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
wheelchair but they love Star Wars and science fiction. We are not | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
doing it purely to say they are in a wheelchair look we made them look | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
good, no, it's because they like doing it, these kids love the action | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
heroes, music, they want to dress up, parents help them do it because | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
this generation actively believe in their children and their spirit and | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
that they can accomplish anything if given the chance. I just like being | :42:04. | :42:11. | |
in comics. My dad's my hero. I think that people who've got a disability | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
can be super heroes too. You can read more on that on the BBC News | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
site. Let's catch up with the weather with Carol. | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
Good morning. I want to show you the difference A weather front makes to | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
our with. This morning we have had this weather front -- weather front. | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
This is all depicted beautifully in the weather-watchers' pictures. We | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
love a beautiful sun rise. Look at this in Nottingham this morning. | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
Gorgeous colours. Stunning. Isn't that beautiful. Here is another one. | :42:48. | :42:56. | |
This is in West Yorkshire. A lot of lovely sunshine around. But, just | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
ahead of the weather front, the cloud was building, as it did in | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
with us IIshire, it also produced some snow. Lovely picture of falling | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
snow in Aberdeenshire. As we go through the day, and that weather | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
front continues... It's beautiful. Here is the sun coming in behind. | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
The weather front strolls south, so some of us will see some rain. The | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
rain will continue to push, but as it does, what you will find is, it's | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
going to be more of a weakening band so the rain will turn more showery | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
and the cloud will continue to build ahead of it. Here is the weather | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
front. Behind it, a return to bright spells. Some in the shelter of any | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
hills and mountains but also some showers. Showers in Scotland will be | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
wintry. In Northern Ireland, temperatures up to eight. Cloudy, a | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
bit of brightness but still the showers peppering the north and the | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
west of Scotland. On the hills, they'll be wintry. In the shelter of | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
the Grampians and Highlands, we'll see some sunshine. | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
After this morning's rain clears the north of England, again we'll see | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
some sunshine but a few showers still too. | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
The cloud continues to build. The tip of Kent seeing some sunshine. | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
Further west, on the other side of the weather front, still some | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
showers and a lot of cloud, not just in south-west England but also | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
Wales. In the shelter of the hills once again, sunny spells. For most, | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
it will be fairly cloudy. Through the evening, the next system romps | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
in from the Atlantic introducing rain, sleet and snow and | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
strengthening winds too. It's not going to be as cold a night as the | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
one that's just gone. The one that just went for example in | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
Oxfordshire, the temperature fell the minus seven. We won't see | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
anything like that this coming night. Slow progress tonight and if | :44:49. | :44:58. | |
you look at the isobars, that tells us it will be windy in England, | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Wales, particularly so for Wales and south-west England where we are | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
looking at gusts to severe gale force. Inland gusts of 50mph so you | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
will notice that. Very, very slowsly the rain pushes towards the | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
south-east. But for many parts of central and eastern England, it's | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
going to be a dull day. Behind that, brightness coming through, showers | :45:22. | :45:24. | |
peppering the north and west and some of those will be wintry. | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
Tomorrow will be cold, particularly if you are stuck under the band of | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
rain. As we head from Thursday into Friday, even into the weekend, the | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
milder air is depredict bid the yellows here, that flows across us | :45:37. | :45:37. | |
all. Hello, it's Tuesday, | :45:38. | :45:44. | |
it's just after 10am, Welcome to the programme | :45:45. | :45:45. | |
if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11am: This | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
morning Maria Sharapova, the world's highest paid female | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
sports star, is facing a lengthy ban from tennis after | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
failing a drugs test. I made a huge mistake. I have let my | :45:55. | :46:07. | |
fine stone. I have let this put down that I have been playing since the | :46:08. | :46:08. | |
age of four that I love so deeply. The tennis world has been | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
divided on her fate. 18 times Grand Slam winner | :46:16. | :46:17. | |
Martina Navratilova called it an "honest mistake" whereas three | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
times Grand Slam champion Jennifer Capriati says she's | :46:21. | :46:22. | |
"extremely angry and disappointed". We will get reaction from other | :46:23. | :46:39. | |
tennis players. " Is losing 2400 jobs. If you work at the company, | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
get in touch. And legalise cannabis and sell | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
it in licensed shops. That's the message from | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
the Liberal Democrats today. We'll hear from them and people | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
who've used cannabis. The energy firm Npower confirms | :46:51. | :47:00. | |
it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK after reporting an "extremely | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
disappointing" performance in 2015. Including losing customers after | :47:07. | :47:18. | |
problems with complaints handling and billing. | :47:19. | :47:20. | |
The job losses represent about a fifth of the workforce. | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
We will have more on that before 11am. Let us know if you are | :47:24. | :47:32. | |
employed by them or if you have been a customer who has been led down. | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
has said a plan to ease the migrant crisis, agreed in principle | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
between EU leaders and Turkey, is a "real game changer". | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
The Turkish government has said it will take back all illegal migrants | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
arriving on the Greek islands as long as the EU accepts | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
an equivalent number of Syrians from camps in Turkey, | :47:52. | :47:53. | |
and allows Turks to travel in the EU without visas by June. | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
The plan will be considered at an EU summit next week. | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
Two leading sponsors have already moved to distance themselves | :48:00. | :48:09. | |
from the tennis champion Maria Sharapova after she last night | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
admitted failing a drugs test. | :48:12. | :48:12. | |
The sportswear giant Nike says it's suspending its relationship | :48:13. | :48:14. | |
with the star while the Swiss watch brand Tag Heuer says it's stopped | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
Boris Johnson says a memo instructing his senior staff | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
to back him over the EU referendum or keep quiet has been withdrawn. | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
The London mayor, who wants to leave the EU, said the email | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
was "a cock-up" and that his staff were not being silenced. | :48:31. | :48:37. | |
You can tell they are not gagged because they have for some days been | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
producing all sorts of views completely different in my own. That | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
is what people would expect from this. What about the email? As so | :48:49. | :48:56. | |
does isolate it ceased to be operative and it has not really been | :48:57. | :49:03. | |
operative at all. We will talk to Norman Smith later on that. | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
Mental health providers in England say they've seen "no significant | :49:08. | :49:09. | |
investment" in psychiatric services for children | :49:10. | :49:11. | |
Last summer ministers said they would invest an additional | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
The television reported in the US has been awarded compensation after | :49:15. | :49:32. | |
being recorded in the heart hotel room by a stalker. The videos were | :49:33. | :49:43. | |
posted online. We have more on Maria Sharapova and what could signal the | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
end of her career potentially. We have a bulletin full of women but | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
not met the family positive reasons. -- necessarily. | :49:56. | :49:57. | |
The highest-earning female athlete in the world has failed | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
Tennis superstar Maria Sharapova tested positive during last month's | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
Now, the banned substance in question | :50:05. | :50:06. | |
is meldonium, which she says she's been taking since 2006 | :50:07. | :50:08. | |
But, Sharapova says she was unaware it had recently been added | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
to the World Anti Doping Agency's banned list, because it's thought | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
Here's our tennis correspondent Russell Fuller. | :50:17. | :50:25. | |
Maria Sharapova's lawyer has spoken of a laundry list of extremely | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
mitigating circumstances he thinks should result in a dramatic | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
reduction of any sanction. If you tribunal decides the five-time Grand | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
Slam champion ingested the substance unintentionally the ban would be a | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
maximum of two gears which could be released reduced by half. She has | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
been the happiest earning athlete for each of the last five years but | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
that position could be under threat and Nike has suspended a contract. | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
Former Chelsea doctor Ava Carneiro has failed to come to an agreement | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
The two parties met for six hours yesterday, | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
as she looks to reach a settlement for constructive dismissal | :51:10. | :51:11. | |
The two parties will now proceed to a full public tribunal in June. | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
But it is still possible for a settlement to be | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
One of Britain's most prominent sporting stars and the double | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
Olympic cycling champion Victoria Pendleton, | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
who only switched saddles and started | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
horse racing last year, will be riding at the Cheltenham | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
Despite critics arguing she's not ready, Pendleton won her first race | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
as an amateur jockey on Pacha du Polder last week, | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
and will partner him again in the Foxhunter Chase | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
at National Hunt Racing's premier meeting. | :51:44. | :51:53. | |
Within the first couple of days, it got me in the heart and I voted was | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
amazing. I loved it and I loved everything about them. And that it | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
has been successful and that I have found a second chance to do | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
something sporting in my life. So if Pendleton can switch | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
from cycling to horse rising, can another Olympic | :52:15. | :52:16. | |
star repeat the trick? Double Olympic gold medallist | :52:17. | :52:18. | |
Laura Trott, who also won two golds at the track world championship | :52:19. | :52:20. | |
in London last week, certainly doesn't see | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
herself switching saddles. I could not think of anything worse. | :52:25. | :52:34. | |
It is not for me. Hats off to Victoria. What she has done | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
switching over is incredible. She has some serious guts. To fall off | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
and come back and win shows the kind of character that she is. Good luck, | :52:45. | :52:53. | |
I guess, in her next race. I will have the headlines at 10:30am. | :52:54. | :53:03. | |
Welcome to the programme. We are on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
until 11 a. We will bring you the latest news and developing stories. | :53:10. | :53:10. | |
We are keen to hear from you. My 12-year-old was suffering from | :53:11. | :53:35. | |
depression. Our GP referred him to a mental health service and during a | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
nine-month waiting time to see them we find our son in the kitchen with | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
a carving knife at his chest. We rang them to stress the urgency of | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
him seeing someone. We were told it might be worthwhile knowing that in | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
order to get an early appointment our son would need to seriously harm | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
themselves sufficient to take him to A Someone says it is hard to | :53:58. | :54:06. | |
explain mental health issues in this country. My 18-year-old daughter are | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
suffering because of slow process by the system. Someone says please | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
continue your brilliant efforts on behalf of children. Only by publicly | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
talking about it will anything change. Keep doing your best. All | :54:21. | :54:29. | |
the usual ways of getting in touch. You will be charged at the standard | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
network rate for text messages. You can watch the programme online or on | :54:34. | :54:42. | |
the BBC News app. She was born in the shadow of Chernobyl. She worked | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
her way up to become the worlds highest paid female sports star | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
worth almost $200 million. Maria Sharapova's career is in tatters | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
after admitting that she failed a drugs test in January. The former | :54:57. | :55:04. | |
world number one who has won five tennis grand slams tested positive | :55:05. | :55:06. | |
for a drug used to treat blood through restriction. She says she | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
has been taking it legally for ten years but failed to notice it was | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
put on a list of banned substances that applied from this January. I | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
wanted to let you know that a few days ago I received a letter from | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
the ITF that I had failed a drugs test at the Australian Open. I felt | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
the test and I take full responsibility for it. For the past | :55:31. | :55:38. | |
ten years I have been given a medicine by my doctor, my family | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
doctor. A few days ago after receiving the ITF I found out that | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
it also has another name which I did not know, meldonium. For ten years | :55:52. | :56:02. | |
this medicine was not on the banned list and I had been legally taking | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
the medicine for the past ten years. On January the 1st the rules changed | :56:08. | :56:16. | |
and meldonium became a prohibited substance. Which I had not known. I | :56:17. | :56:26. | |
was given this medicine by my doctor for several health issues that I was | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
having in 2006. I was getting sick a lot, I was getting the flu every | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
couple of months. I had a regular results. As well as indications of | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
diabetes with a family history of diabetes. I thought it was very | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
important for me to come out and speak about this in front of all of | :56:52. | :56:59. | |
you because they wrote my long career -- throughout my long career | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
I have been open and honest about many things and I take great | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
responsibility and professionalism in my job every single day and I | :57:07. | :57:15. | |
made a huge mistake and I have let my fans down, I have let the sport | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
down that I have been playing sings the age of four that I love so | :57:21. | :57:32. | |
deeply. I know that with this I face consequences and I do not want to | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
end my career this way. I've recall that I will be given another chance. | :57:38. | :57:46. | |
-- ie hope. She is facing a lengthy ban and two of her sponsors have | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
suspended their relationship with her. Her lawyer says he is hopeful | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
she can avoid a lengthy ban saying we think there is a laundry list of | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
extremely mitigating circumstances that once taken into account would | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
reduce any sanction. Jo Durie joins us now | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
from north-west London and we can also speak to Paul Dimeo | :58:12. | :58:18. | |
an expert at in sport doping What is your reaction? Shocked. It | :58:19. | :58:33. | |
is a desperate mistake from Maria Sharapova they did not look at the | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
new less than did not open email by all accounts. Every tennis player is | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
given a new less of banned substances. She has been taking it | :58:44. | :58:49. | |
for ten years for health problems. December of the 31st it is OK and | :58:50. | :58:55. | |
January the 1st it I think it is a genuine mistake and the desperate | :58:56. | :58:59. | |
mistake. Do you feel sympathy for her? I feel sympathy for her because | :59:00. | :59:10. | |
she is not stupid, she would not take something that is banned. She | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
is a good professional. She is being honest. If anybody watches that | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
interviews she has given you can see how devastated she is. Every athlete | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
knows whatever you put in your body you have to check that it is all | :59:26. | :59:29. | |
right and if you are taking something that is not all right you | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
are going to be banned. There was prior warning before the ban came in | :59:35. | :59:40. | |
from January saying that you did not open an email, is that enough? Yes, | :59:41. | :59:52. | |
I think every athlete knows that you have to look. She is surrounded by a | :59:53. | :59:57. | |
team of experts. That is what she pays them for. Why were they not on | :59:58. | :00:06. | |
this? Tell us about this drug. It is not something that has been on the | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
radar more widely but it was brought in to the list of banned substances | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
from the start of this year. What could it do? It is designed for | :00:16. | :00:25. | |
heart problems. It don't Mike increases circulation of red blood | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
cells which carry oxygen, the muscles can work better. It can aid | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
in general and sand work capacity. There were some signs that was going | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
to become a mag issue last year when surveys showed high prevalence, | :00:44. | :00:51. | |
athletes were using it. Particularly Russia, 17% of athletes were using | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
it compared to a wider international survey of 2.2% using it. There is | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
some context to this. I take the point that the people surrounding | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
Maria Sharapova should have been more aware of it. She says she had | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
been taking advertising years because of health issues. What sort | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
of health issues wouldn't be used for? -- would it. | :01:18. | :01:27. | |
Heart conditions, angina and things like that. She said she had small | :01:28. | :01:35. | |
issues. She also mentioned diabetes and magnesium deficiency, but I'm | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
not sure how they are connected. I do think it's potentially a genuine | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
case, but if it's her family Doctor Who's prescribed this, there seems | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
potentially to be a communication issue between that doctor and her | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
sports doctor. I'm not sure where she was getting | :01:50. | :02:07. | |
it. I believe she lives in the US, so if there were some questions that | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
came out... Lots of people getting in touch via social media on this. | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Maria on Twitter says, she should know what a banned substance is and | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
be stripped of all her titles. William on e-mail, it's a technical | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
cheat, not a philosophical cheat. That ought to make the difference in | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
life. Derek on Twitter, not her fault, she should not be banned. I | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
feel disgusted by the Tennis Federation for not telling her. | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
Another texter, sorry but she got caught, her excuse is laughable. How | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
would you react to comments like that? A lot of comments going around | :02:41. | :02:53. | |
but it's been OK to take that drug for ten years. They only started | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
victing it last year and, from January 1st, they put it on the | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
banned list -- investigating it last year. She hasn't been cheating but | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
she's made a really big mistake not looking but the people around her | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
also not looking and there's ignorance of the facts. A lot of | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
tennis players and athletes will be now looking at the list of banned | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
substances and some might be panicking a bit. What would your | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
feeling be? Obviously we don't know all the facts, we have heard from | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
Maria Sharapova, she could potentially face a four-year ban but | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
her lawyers say there is a laundry list of mitigating circumstances, | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
the ban could be reduced to almost nothing, where on the spectrum is | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
your gut on this one this morning? Well I think it was a big mistake | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
but I still think it is a banned substance, yes, she should be | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
banned, I don't think four years, I think no, I think probably a year, I | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
don't know, it's going to go to arbitration obviously. Something | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
must be done to show, you know, the whole world, not only the tennis | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
world, that you can't take stuff, whether you are ignorant of the fact | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
or not. Thank you very much Jo and Paul. Another of Maria Sharapova's | :04:11. | :04:19. | |
sponsors Avon has been speaking, a holding statement, saying they don't | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
have a statement to make at this time, following on from Nike and Tag | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
Hauer withdrawing their sponsorship of Maria Sharapova. | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
The hidden abuse of breast ironing where girls living in this country | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects to destroy | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
breast development and prevent unwanted male attention. | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
One Tory MP tells this programme more needs to be done. | :04:44. | :04:55. | |
The family of a 27-year old man killed in a London pub last October | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
are calling for the man wanted in connection with his murder | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
Josh Hanson was stabbed in the neck in what is thought to be | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
Police say they're looking for 27-year-old Shane O'Brien | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
in connection with the assault and have offered a ten thousand | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
pound reward for information leading to a successful prosecution. | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
His name - and that of four others have been added to the UK's list | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
of most wanted fugitives who're thought to be hiding | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
The other four fugitives who police are keen to speak to are; 24 year | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
old David Ungi who is from Liverpool. | :05:35. | :05:35. | |
Police want to speak to him in connection with a fatal shooting | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
He's also accused of conspiracy to supply heroin. | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
Then there's 40-year-old David Walley who is described | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
He's wanted by police over allegations of drug trafficking | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
following a police operation in Manchester. | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
Also on the list is 29-year-old Shazad Ghafoor who's also | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
from Manchester and is wanted by police in connection with fraud, | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
possession of criminal property and possession of cannabis | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
And then there's Ahmed Omar who was on trial for drug offences | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
in November last year but absconded before it concluded. | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
Police are asking for anyone with any information about any | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
of these men to call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
We can talk now to Tracey and Brooke Hanson, | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
mother and brother of Josh Hanson who was stabbed and killed in a pub | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
Police want to speak to 28-year-old Shane O'Brien in connection | :06:29. | :06:38. | |
with the murder and believe he's now in the Netherlands. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
Thank you for joining us Tracey and Brook. It was only last October that | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
your son was killed in a pub so it's all very recent for you. Must have | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
been an extremely difficult time. Take us back to that night and what | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
you're able to say about your understanding of what happened in | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
this what police say was a completely unprovoked attack? In the | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
early hours of Sunday morning 11th October, Josh was with his | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
girlfriend for a very short period of time. He was stabbed in the neck. | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
I received a phone call in the early hours of the morning to tell me that | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
Josh had been stabbed and Brooke and I made our way to the bar in East | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
Coates. That was confirmed to us by the police officers. | :07:32. | :07:40. | |
Total shock, dismay. Overwhelmed, obviously, trying to process that | :07:41. | :07:51. | |
information. Then finding out three days later that there was a suspect | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
that the police would like to speak so in connection with Josh's murder | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
and since that day we've been sharing a lot of grief alongside the | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
murder investigation and we are here today to ask for the public to come | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
forward if they know of anyone anywhere who might have information | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
as to the whereabouts of Shane O'Brien, or he himself, to make | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
contact with the police. What impact has that had on you knowing since | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
three days after the killing that there was somebody in particular | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
police want to be able to speak to about what happened and that they | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
haven't been able to speak to him yet? Well, at first, I think we felt | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
OK, so there is somebody that the police would like to speak to and | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
this would happen quite quickly. Every single waking moment of the | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
day is sharing our grief alongside the murder investigation, so where | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
we see Josh's face, we see Shane O'Brien's face. So we are sharing | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
our grief really, we are not being able to mourn in peace, if you like, | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
and just hold our memories of Josh. We are constantly aware that we need | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
to keep driving our justice for Josh Hanson campaign forward, sending out | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
the word and posters and asking the public for help in the hope that | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Shane O'Brien will be caught. Tell us more about your son, Josh? | :09:20. | :09:30. | |
We have got pictures that you've given us of Josh, tell us what he | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
was like? Yes. Erm... Just lovely. A lovely | :09:33. | :09:42. | |
young man, hard-working, funny. Sorry. | :09:43. | :09:50. | |
Just very caring and considerate. A fantastic laugh. He kept us all | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
upbeat. He was our best friend as well. We had a were strong bond. | :09:58. | :10:09. | |
It's just every day, it's just not the same without him in our lives, | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
in this world, you know, it's just, we feel like, well I feel like I'm | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
behind a curtain for most of the time. We celebrated Josh's birthday | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
recently. I did a skydive which is something he did a few years back | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
for charity. We felt that being up in the sky would bring us closer to | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
him. It was an amazing experience and we've just been through Mother's | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
Day which was horrendous to look back on the cards that he'd given me | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
in the past few years and to read those messages and for Brooke to | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
have to write his card this year, so painful. | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
Just awful. Can't describe this pain. I wouldn't wish this on | :11:03. | :11:13. | |
anyone, it's just off, there's no goodbyes, just an horrific end to | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
such a promising life. Josh had so much to look forward to this year. | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
He was going to be an usher at his best friend's wedding. He had lots | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
of holiday plans. We were going on holiday. So... All of those hopes | :11:27. | :11:36. | |
and dreams for him have been just taken away. And also taken away from | :11:37. | :11:44. | |
us. How do you remember your brother, Brooke? Just my world | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
really, just addictive, amazing, always put a smile on your face. | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
Like mum said, it's just so empty without him. It's boring, it's dull, | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
we just miss him. He's just one of a kind. Police say he was a very | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
hard-working young man? Yes, very. He loved work, seven days a week. | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
Loved the gym as well seven days a week. He was very dedicated to the | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
gym and work. A very good boy. Very proud of him. Thank you both very | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
much for coming in and talking to us. | :12:24. | :12:33. | |
The Liberal Democrats are supporting a new report that calls | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
for the legalised sale of marijuana through licensed outlets, | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
The party says criminalising cannabis use is a waste of police | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
time and increases health risks by leaving many people in the dark | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
The Conservatives rejected Lib Dem calls to review drug laws | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
The leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron, is at Westminster | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
and in Stockton-on-Tees is Tina Williams. | :12:59. | :12:59. | |
Tina saw for herself the effects of her children using cannabis. | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. Tim Farron, why do you think it | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
should be legalised? The problem is that cannabis is at the moment | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
unregulated. The people who use it have no idea of the strength of what | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
they are using, and the stronger strains are I think proven to have | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
caused all sorts of problems, psychosis, emotional behaviour | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
disorders and other serious health problems. You also realise there are | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
billions of pounds every year going into the pockets of criminals, of | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
dealers, at the same time you have got the police spending time chasing | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
relatively low use and low risk users and, I guess the onus on the | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
government is to come up with reasons why we keep the status quo, | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
the status quo helps criminals, it makes people who're users, puts them | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
at huge risk of the more dangerous strains and causes massive health | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
problems. So we took the view, we need to look at this in an | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
evidence-based way, not to decide beforehand what our view was, but to | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
look at the evidence, to criminologists, police officers, | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
medics, academics, who could look at the evidence and see if there is a | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
way forward and we can make this problem less bad. These are our | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
proposals and we hope people will now take them forward. Tina, what do | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
you think? I think it's the wrong idea to actually legalise and | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
licence this so that you can raise revenue. Even the weaker strains | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
cause psychosis. I was around in the '60s and we saw it then with the | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
weaker strains. For me, what we see now is a lot of young people, | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
whether you legalise or don't, there'll still be a black market | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
because people want the stronger strains. The arrests for people | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
who're drug-driving is gone up 800%. What are you going to do, say we can | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
have it in one sense and not police the driving in another sense? Living | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
with some of these kids that we see in our service, we deal with | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
families in addiction, we see their behaviour, they become demotivated, | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
they don't want to work, the college suffers and the tempers flare up at | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
home, so much so that the families break apart. Now, whether it's | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
legalised or not, these are the effects of the resin and the skunk. | :15:27. | :15:33. | |
There's no differences in it really. Some people it causes psychosis, | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
some get away with smoking it and it doesn't, but for me to legalise it | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
sends the wrong message the people that it's OK to do this. | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
Tim? My response to that is that addiction is a bad thing. I mean, | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
let's put it bluntly, I'm a Liberal, I'm against anything that robs you | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
of your Liberty, including addiction to substances. The most dangerous | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
substance that've s the largest number of people in this country is | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
alcohol. In the same way that we regulate that and it's illegal to | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
drive under the influence of that, you should do the same with the | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
drugs and there should be harsh penalties. The point is, working out | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
how best the deal, because there is no perfect solution to this, how to | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
best deal with this situation and the evidence is from around the | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
world that if you put cannabis in a regulated market, then you can not | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
keep people utterly safe but better protect them than they currently | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
are. For one thing you make the mass of majority of cannabis users out of | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
the same place where heroin, cocaine and other hard-drug users are in. | :16:39. | :16:47. | |
The linkage,s the not me saying we should have a free-for-all or saying | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
cannabis is good for you, it really isn't. It's me saying here's the | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
evidence, we have got to look at it and stop pretending the current | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
situation isn't working. I meet loads of people affected by | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
different levels of drug addiction for themselves personally or within | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
their family. Alcohol addiction even more. What I ask myself is, how can | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
I make that situation even a bit better? The evidence is, if you | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
regulate the market, treat users as people who're got a health problem | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
rather than a criminal one, you undermine the dealers and the | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
criminals, you give the police the ability and the tools to tackle | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
those who 're the real criminals and you provide at least some protection | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
for those people who use the substances. | :17:32. | :17:42. | |
Tina? Listen - this is the beginning, you legalise cannabis, | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
then what's next, legalise cocaine? The most dangerous drug in our | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
society is alcohol which is fully legalised and regulated. I'm not | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
sure if you or I if someone came up with alcohol today should decide | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
whether we should or not put it in a legal framework. What about the | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
question about cocaine? The evidence is not supported around | :18:00. | :18:12. | |
harder drugs. There are a lot many places where harder drugs are | :18:13. | :18:14. | |
legalised. My inkling is that should not. What | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
Dax up is that if you provide regulated framework for cannabis | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
then people who use it go to that place to buy yet and therefore are | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
not being offered the hard drugs that people on the street are | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
offered a new so if you regulate cannabis use then you prevent people | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
moving onto heroin, cocaine and so on. The argument from people moving | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
onto heroin, heroin is a drug that is in decline. The rise in drug use | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
is cocaine which is widely used every week and we have seen problems | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
in the family with that. We need to police these problems, put more | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
money into policing the issues. We do not agree with criminalising | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
people who take drugs. It is an addiction and we need more money in | :19:04. | :19:11. | |
treatment. We agree. We do not criminalise people. There has been | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
very few convictions for personal position. The police do not waste | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
time with that. We need more police to tackle the dealers, the big | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
problem is that we have in our society. It is wrong to say that | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
because we cannot deal with that we are going to legalise it. To say | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
from a defeatist point of view we cannot deal with that and we must | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
legalise it that would be wrong. In my community at his heartbreaking | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
the situation. We live it. Do not trivialise that. We see the | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
families. Smashed to pieces because of kids who cannot cope. Even if it | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
was legal and they were buying at they would still have problems | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
because it takes their motivation away. I see it. I would take anybody | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
to get the idea that I think drugs are a good thing. I think the | :20:13. | :20:21. | |
opposite. I take my duty as a constituency MP phenomenally | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
seriously and I see people in my surgeries every week when I see | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
people on the street and I see people who themselves or family | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
members have serious addiction problems, nine times out of ten it | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
is alcohol, it is how best do you help these people. Thank you. No | :20:37. | :20:47. | |
proven link with psychosis, that is debunked mess, someone says. Mental | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
health problems where mental health is already an issue. Let us move | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
with the times and change our approach to drugs. | :20:59. | :21:07. | |
The hidden abuse of breast ironing where girls living in this | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
country are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
One Tory MP tells this programme more needs to be done. | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
The energy firm Npower confirms it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
after reporting an "extremely disappointing" performance in 2015, | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
including the loss of more than 350,000 customers | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
after problems with complaints handling and billing. | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
Its boss said overhauling the group would be a huge task. | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
EU leaders say they have made a breakthrough plan to ease | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
the migrant crisis by agreeing the outlines of a deal with Turkey. | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
The Turkish government says it will take back all illegal migrants | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
arriving on the Greek islands as long as the EU accepts | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
an equivalent number of Syrians from camps in Turkey. | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
Two leading sponsors have already moved to distance themselves | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
from the tennis champion Maria Sharapova after she last night | :21:59. | :22:00. | |
The sportswear giant Nike says it's suspending its relationship | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
with the star while the Swiss watch brand Tag Heuer says it | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
won't continue talks to renew her contract. | :22:11. | :22:18. | |
The Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has told MPs that British | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
membership of the EU has increased the dynamism of the UK economy and | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
helped it to grow, the first time he has expressed a view on the EU in or | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
out debate. Boris Johnson says a memo | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
instructing his senior staff to back him over the EU referendum | :22:36. | :22:37. | |
or keep quiet has been withdrawn The London mayor, who wants to leave | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
the EU, said the email was "a cock-up" and that his staff | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
were not being silenced. The world's highest earning | :22:46. | :23:04. | |
sportswomen Maria Sharapova has felt a drugs test. She tested positive | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
during last month's Australian Open. The substances got to improve | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
endurance and recovery. If a chimera has felt to come to an agreement | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
with Chelsea. The parties will proceed to a full tribunal in June | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
but it is possible for a settlement to be reached before then. Double | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Olympic cycling champion, who started horse racing last year, will | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
be riding at the Cheltenham festival last week. She won her first race as | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
an amateur last week and will partner the same horrors. -- horse. | :23:45. | :23:54. | |
There is more throughout the day on the BBC News Channel. Mark Carney | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
has given his strongest hint yet that he supports Britain remaining | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
in the European Union. Our political editor can tell us what he has been | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
saying. A surprising morning because all of us watching the governor of | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
the Bank of England thought it would be cautious, careful, on the one | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
hand, on the other hand, far from it. Mark Carney has said he thinks | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
we are better off economically in the EU. In a letter to MPs on the | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
committee he said we conclude that EU membership as likely increase the | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
dynamism of the UK economy and its ability to grow without generating | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
risks to the bank's primary objectives. That is about as clear a | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
signal as you can get that Mark Carney thinks we are by and large | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
better off remaining inside the EU. Not surprisingly it has infuriated | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
many of those campaigning to get out of the EU on the Tory and Labour | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
side. A Labour MP said he was overstating the case for Britain's | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
membership. A Tory said he was damaging the reputation of the Bank | :25:07. | :25:08. | |
of England and demeaning his reputation. Why did he say this? Is | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
argument seems to be because of access to the single market. He | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
regards that has a massive boost to the sort of trade Britain can do. He | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
says we can get more foreign companies investing in Britain than | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
any other country in the EU because we are part of the EU. He said he | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
had been told by the bosses of some big banks that the reason they have | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
their headquarters in London is because we are part of the EU. I | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
have no doubt that Number 10 and those who want us to remain in the | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
EU will be doing a dance of joy this morning. Mark Carney got a kicking | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
in the committee from those MPs want to leave were not happy about what | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
he said. This was his reply. The language we have used in the report, | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
the language we use in the letter, is careful. It is not conclusive. It | :26:07. | :26:17. | |
is arguable. These are these long pauses between each word. It matters | :26:18. | :26:27. | |
because the governor is the governor and people tend to listen to what he | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
says. This referendum is a battle of credibility. How do you trust? How | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
do you believe? In that class Mark Carney is the sort of person you | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
want on your side. The remains side are probably thinking yes, that as a | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
result. A new phrase has entered the lexicon, an ex-edict. | :26:52. | :27:00. | |
The borders story this morning is this. Or this work up to accusations | :27:01. | :27:09. | |
of hypocrisy following the disclosure that his chief of staff | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
had said an email to senior staff at City Hall barring them from | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
contradicting Boris Johnson's support for leaving be you. This is | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
what the email actually said. I would | :27:28. | :27:27. | |
expect, given your roles, you either advocate the mere's position | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
or do not openly contradicted. -- mayor's. That | :27:33. | :27:40. | |
prompted accusations of hypocrisy because he led the charge against | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
the so-called agents of project failure. The boss of the British | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
Chambers of Commerce broke out in favour of Brexit. | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
8:30am this morning and suddenly Boris executed what can only be | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
described as a crunching U-turn. This is what he said. You can tell | :28:04. | :28:12. | |
they are not gagged because there might have been producing all sorts | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
of use completely different to my own. That is what people would | :28:18. | :28:19. | |
expect. Why did your G. I saw that it ceased to be operative | :28:20. | :28:30. | |
and it has not really been operative at all. You have seen all sorts of | :28:31. | :28:44. | |
views. Insofar as that was ever operative, it is over, dead, this | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
indeed, it is an ex-edict. It has ceased to be | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
operative and ceased to function. It has gone | :28:57. | :28:57. | |
from history. All right? We wanted a robust debate in which everybody can | :28:58. | :29:07. | |
express their point of view. That is what the people want and that is | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
what they are going to get. I would point out there is a stark contrast | :29:17. | :29:17. | |
in our know if you saw the Monty Python | :29:18. | :29:37. | |
sketch, the dead parrot sketch, when he goes on about it being a dead | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
parrot. I think that is what he was alluding to. Fun and games, but it | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
matters. Talking about Mark Carney and credibility. So much of this | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
tussle will come down to who we think are the credible figures. Who | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
do voters look to in terms of trust? The danger for Boris Johnson is that | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
maybe people think he is great fun but am I sure he is on the detail? | :30:05. | :30:13. | |
This followed what people thought was a difficult interview people | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
thought he had at the weekend with Andrew Marr when there were lots of | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
bold statements but when you got down to the nitty-gritty there was | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
criticism of Boris Johnson for perhaps not being as much in control | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
of the details. That is why these two stories matter because for all | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
of the arguments we get at the end of the day when people have to | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
decide yes or no it may come down to that very basic thing of who do I | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
trust? He knows how to perform a U-turn in style. | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
It's a painful form of mutilation where young girls, as young as 10, | :30:53. | :30:55. | |
are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects to destroy | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
breast development and prevent unwanted male attention. | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
It's known as breast ironing and is practised in parts of west | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
Now one Conservative MP tells us more needs to be done in the UK | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
to prevent what is described as the "hidden abuse". | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
There have been no prosecutions for breast ironing in the UK, | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
but campaigners believe this is because it is a secret abuse | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
in which young women are too scared to speak out. | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
Stella endured breast ironing every day for 3 months whilst she was 13 | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
and living in Cameroon in West Africa: | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
They took a spatula and put it in a fryer and pressed it and pressed it | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
and they kept on doing it until the breasts finally went. | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
Of course it hurts, it's hot, it's hot. | :31:36. | :31:44. | |
It feels like if you put something hot | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
It takes away your confidence, your self-esteem, you cannot | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
take your dress off in front of people. | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
It really affects you psychologically. | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
Conservative MP Jake Berry is calling for police forces | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
and government departments to do more to recognise breast ironing | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
And Margaret Nyuydzewira from CAME Women | :32:06. | :32:12. | |
and Girls Development Organisation - a charity that specialises in | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
, Jake do you believe it's happening in the UK? I do. It's difficult to | :32:16. | :32:26. | |
recognise it's happening because it's a form of abuse sometimes | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
commitd by close members of the family, mother, sister, aunt, | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
grandmother. The nearest thing I can compare it to is female genital | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
mutilation which we believed wasn't happening in this country until | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
people raised awareness of it and gained more confidence to come | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
forward and say, I am a victim of this form of abuse and I believe | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
breast ironing is similar. It originates in Cameroon, I believe it | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
may be endemic within the black African community in the UK who will | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
bring cultural practices with them and I think it's really, really | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
important that, else specially on International Women's Day, that we | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
speak out and say, people who are suffering in this way have to have | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
the confidence to come forward, report it, it's a crime. There's a | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
lot more I believe the Government should do to tackle it and raise | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
awareness of it. I was particularly concerned at the figures that have | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
been released today show that police forces in the UK either don't know | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
this exists because they'd never heard of it and it's an unnone | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
problem or freely admit they don't have the tools and information to | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
tackle it if they do crop across it. Why do you believe it's happening in | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
the UK? Is it an expectation, or have you had people talking to you? | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
Margaret and I have been working together to try to identify it in | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
the UK. Margaret, with her charity, has done fantastic work and spoken | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
to victims of breast ironing here in the UK who simply won't come | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
forward. If you look at the 2015 change in the law we made around | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
FGM, we provided anonymity for victims to enable them to feel | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
empowered to come forward and report the crime. We need, I think, | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
anonymity for victims in the case of breast ironing, we also need a | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
Government directive that goes out to the police forces, to ask them to | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
identify it. Crucially and finally, with FGM, we made it a criminal | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
offence for people, when they become aware of it, not to report it. I | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
think if we could do the same with breast ironing, we'd see this is a | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
problem happening here to young women and girls in the UK. Margaret, | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
tell us what you understand about what is going on? | :34:42. | :34:54. | |
We started work in 2010: We started work because we realised that the | :34:55. | :35:03. | |
practise was ongoing. We come from the practising community, let me | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
say, and we work with African women and girls. This is one of the | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
violences which is among African women and girls here in the UK. | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
Has it been happening here in the UK on a daily basis to young girls? We | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
cannot say on a daily basis because no research has been carried out. | :35:26. | :35:32. | |
Nobody has carried out any research to realise who is doing it, but we | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
know that it's being done. How many people have you come across and what | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
stories have you heard? Well, the first story I heard was the lady who | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
was arrested in Birmingham, that was in 2011, for breast ironing by a | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
policeman. She was arrested for breast ironing? For performing that | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
on her daughter, yes. But, because the lady argued that that was her | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
culture, they let go. I said no, it's not culture or practises which | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
is done in secrecy on young girls at home. We cannot allow that to go on | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
as a culture. If culture is doing harm to young girls. Any harm that | :36:18. | :36:25. | |
is done to a little girl in this country, it's an issue and we must | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
talk about it. It's not the numbers that we are counting. We know a list | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
is ongoing. We cannot say it's ten people, even if it's when person... | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
Have you heard of any other cases being reported to police where PLOs | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
hasn't gone ahead -- prosecution? Yes, a doctor reported a case in | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
North London and then there was a lady who was deported from here | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
because of breast ironing. Is that the answer? That's not the answer. | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
What do you think about that, Jake It's very hard to quantify the | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
extent of breast ironing. But if cases are being put forward to | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
police and they are not moving that forward? I think that's completely | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
wrong because this is a criminal offence but I don't believe the law | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
is clear and that's why I'm hoping the Government will take action in | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
the call I make today which is to ask the Government to take further | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
action in a similar way they did with FGM. The Government's done | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
fantastic work with that, but ten years ago, people were probably sat | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
on sofas like this saying FGM doesn't happen in the UK, it was | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
completely hidden. Today, we have to release the figures. I'm working on | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
a further report seeing what local authorities' responses are to the | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
issues and hoping to raise the profile to empower young women and | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
girls to feel they can come forward. This is a hidden problem. If you put | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
yourself in a normal family situation, if your mother is doing | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
something to you, even if you don't feel comfortable with it, you are | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
being told it's the right thing, it's normal, your culture practise, | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
you wouldn't necessarily believe this is something you have to report | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
to the police. Until we raise people's awareness of this female | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
mutilation, then no-one will feel confident enough to do that. | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
Jake and Margaret, thank you very much. | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
"The Government is serious about stopping violence | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
against women and girls and has made it a priority. | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
No one should live in fear of these crimes." | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
Breaking news. The Court of Appeal says smoking ban does not apply to | :38:29. | :38:39. | |
prisons and other places. The prison Governor's association | :38:40. | :38:54. | |
supports the ban, but the legal ban on smoking in public places does not | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
apply to state prisons and other crown premises in England and Wales, | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
the Court of Appeal has ruled. We'll bring you more on that as we get it. | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
Npower workers are facing an uncertain future | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
morning after the company confirmed that a fifth of its UK workforce | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
will lose their jobs, that's 2,400 people - | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
The firm's reported a loss of almost ?100 million for last year. | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
With me in the studio is Niall Trimble of the Energy | :39:23. | :39:33. | |
Unison says the company's offices in Leeds will be closed down as part of | :39:34. | :39:47. | |
this. Niall Trimble and Tom Allison from GMB are with me. Your reaction | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
Tom? It's devastating news, Joanna. . | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
There was a leak on Sunday which indicated huge job losses which | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
affected npower employees and spoilt Mothering Sunday for people. It's a | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
devastating impact. Especially in the northern area. You've mentioned | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
Leeds where I am in the studio now and we have a huge employee base | :40:19. | :40:29. | |
where I represent in Houghton and Peterlee as well. Niall, hello. The | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
company has had problems, 350,000 customers have walked away. Is that | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
what has been behind all of this? Some of it. They have had huge | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
computer problems which means people have been getting the wrong bills or | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
they haven't billed people at all or can't bill them because the time | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
lapses. They have had problems with low power prices in particular so | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
it's a combination of things. Tom, does the company only have itself to | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
blame? Well, I would suggest that the problems that Niall's outlined | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
would be on the management of our members so, you know, I think it's a | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
higher level, maybe the culpability. If it's an issue of energy prices, | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
could other energy firms find themselveses in the same | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
predicament? Not so much. Quite a lot of the problems, some are | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
suffering, certainly with power prices but the problems with the | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
computer systems seem to be yew knee to npower. In terms of picking up, | :41:34. | :41:42. | |
it's cutting 2400 jobs as it tries to get its business into better | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
shake -- unique. Do you see them getting anywhere from here? They | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
have to sort out the computer problems, better that than making | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
people redundant. Tom, how do you see that? Devastating for people and | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
they are obviously hoping the problems can be sorted out? One of | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
the reasons is, we don't know the scale of the job losses and how it | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
will effect us. That's the uncertainty and insecurity, it's not | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
good for the employees and the members and because of the effect in | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
the northern area, what we are finding, we haven't got a northern | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
powerhouse with the job losses in the northern areas, they are tended | :42:25. | :42:32. | |
to be regarded as the northern "poor" house. | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
Time to bring you this. Adele super fans got pulled on stage by Adele in | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
Dublin. She'd become aware of them because they made cover versions of | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
her songs. This is what happened. You can't put it online and me being | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
in Dublin not tell you to come up. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. | :42:52. | :43:00. | |
Can you hear yourselves? Take it away. | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
# I've heard that you're settled down | :43:04. | :43:25. | |
# That you found a girl # And you're married now | :43:26. | :43:35. | |
# I heard that your dreams came true | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
# Guess he gave you things | :43:42. | :43:48. | |
# # I can't keep up with your turning | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
tables # Under my thumb | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
# I can't breathe... # Victoria is back | :44:02. | :44:02. |