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Hello it's Tuesday it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

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Maria Sharapova, the World's highest paid female sports star is facing

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a lengthy ban from tennis after failing a drugs test.

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I made a huge mistake and I've let my fans down, I've let the sport

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down that I've been playing since the age of four that I love so

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deeply. The tennis world has been

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divided on her fate. 18 times grand slam winner

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Martina Navratilova called it an "honest mistake" whereas 3

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times grand slam champion Jennifer Capriati says she's

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"extremely angry and disappointed". Also on the programme,

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"no significant investment" in mental health services

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for children despite Government promises of an extra ?150 million

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this financial year. Plus, Energy firm Npower is cutting

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a fifth of its workforce If you work at the company,

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get in touch and tell Hello, welcome to the programme,

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the programme online wherever you are via the bbc news app

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or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Mental health providers in England

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say they've seen "no significant investment" in psychiatric services

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for children despite Government Last summer, ministers said they'd

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invest an extra ?150 million Health trusts say some services

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are still being cut. So what impact is this having

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on people trying to use She's been using child adolescent

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mental health services since she was 11 and says she often

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has to wait months for Sean Duggan, is the chief executive

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for the Centre for Mental Health an independent charity

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and Dr Jon Goldin is a Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist

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at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Tells your view on this, Sean? The

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Priority's got to be in mental Health Services, we've always known

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this, for child and adolescent mental health care. One in ten

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children suffer from a mental health problem so that's three children in

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every class. We are expecting and we are delighted about extra investment

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in the services. The fact it's not coming through, the providers are

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telling us it's not coming through, is a cause for real concern. Why do

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you think it's not coming through? It was promised? A number of

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reasons. We need to get hold of the facts. But there are reports the

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money's being used by Clinical Commissioning Groups for other

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reasons, other pressing priorities. There is no other better priority

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than child and adolescent mental health care. It's a very complicated

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set-up, a very complicated arrangement, and this, for the money

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to be used efficiently and effectively, it really has to be

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designed really well. We know a lot about the evidence as to the

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interventions that work. They have to be targeted properly, they have

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to have the right professionals in place to do that. All that takes

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time but that should have been thought of at the very beginning, so

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we are not in this position now, towards the end of the financial

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year suggesting the money's not getting through. That's not an

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excuse. There are some probably legitimate delays. Let's be open and

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transparent about that. Let's not have a situation where we are

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thinking the money's maybe been used for other reasons. Joining us as

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well now Dr John Golding, child psychiatrist at Great Ormond Street

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Hospital. Thank you very much for joining us. Are you seeing any

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evidence of extra money filtering through? It's good news that more

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money has been promise and we are seeing some evidence but I don't

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think all the money is getting to the front line services as it should

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be. So what evidence have you seen? I know there have been

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transformation plans over the last few months which have bid for money

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and they have been successful in achieving that money. So some money

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is reaching it. So it's all promises at the moment still is it or, are

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you hearing about front line services getting the cash? I'm

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hearing about some front line services getting the cash but also

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hearing about some money not reaching the services anecdotally.

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The money isn't ringfenced for CAMS. ?1. ?1. 24 billion has been promised

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over the next I think five years but there's evidence not all of the

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money is getting to the NHS. CCG is using the money for other things.

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CAMS is child and adolescent mental services. There is a real suspicion

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that the money could go elsewhere. The money's gone to Clinical

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Commissioning Groups then. How important is transparency? It's

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crucially important and, unfor Natalie the Clinical Commissioning

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Groups are under huge financial pressure and the money doesn't go

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direct to where it's promised to go to always so we need to track the

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money and make sure it goes where it should. Do you think the money

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should be ringfenced? I do. It's an absolute priority and we have seen

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in the past that where money's been promised in certain areas, and with

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mental health it's not uncommon, if you don't ringfence the money, it

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can go off to seemingly more important areas. We definitely need

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to be transparent about this because the only way this will work is for

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Clinical Commissioning Groups to work in partnership with education,

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with schools, with the NHS providers, and they all need to have

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trust in that the money's being put through and that they can work out

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the financial plans and get the job done. The Government's identified

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this as a key area. Let's talk a bit more about the impact of resourcing

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on treatment for young people. Earlier, the parents of 15-year-old

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Matthew Garnett who has been sectioned for the last six months

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told BBC Breakfast that they feet like they had no rights.

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Parents and the child in this are seem to be devoid of their rights.

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It is absurd and when I tell friends who've got typical children, they

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don't believe that this can be happening in 2016. Our most

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vulnerable people are being abused by this system and I can't think of

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a better word, to me it feels like abuse. Systematic abuse. Isabelle

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Garnett. Amy, you have needed help through mental Health Services? Yes.

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How have you felt about the service you have received? Well, once I've

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had access to the service, it was fantastic and I, you know, owe my

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life to the mental Health Services. The problem that I face and many

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other people are facing is getting that access to them. When I was

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referred to the child and adolescent mental Health Service, it took three

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months. That three-month period, I was getting worse and worse,

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unfortunately, I was very suddal and hadn't had one appointment with

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them, so three months of referrals and I still hadn't seen them. It

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wasn't until I had to take myself to A because I was at risk that they

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finally noticed me and gave me an appointment. Honestly, if I hadn't

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gone to A, I don't know when I wouldn't have been seen, I don't

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know if I would still be here, it's so urgent. What was it that took you

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to A, it's a story we have heard from so many people seeking mental

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health support that they have ended up getting it only as a result of

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going to A? Yes, absolutely. My mum was aware of the issues going

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on. One night she found me self-harming and it was getting to

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the point where she didn't know what to do. My mum is a single mum, how

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could she help me, she could see her daughter hurting herself and

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suicidal and she didn't know what to do. There was no other option than

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to go to A because obviously CAMS had been paying no attention to me

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and it was to the point that my mum didn't... When you say paying no

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attention to you. What were you being told when you were going to

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see, presumably your GP initially, what were you told about what help

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you might expect and when you might get it? As soon as I went to the GP

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and got diagnosis I was put on medication. How old were you then? I

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was 15. They said, you need to have ongoing therapy every week, as well

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as the medication from CAMS. They referred me and said I would hear

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from them within a week. Every time I'd called CAMS to chase them up, I

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was told, I'm on a waiting list, they have to put high priority cases

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in front of me. That was hordible to hear because I felt why aren't I a

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high priority case -- horrible to hear. I thought, do I need to stand

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in front of you with a gun to my head for you to see that I need

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help. John, being prescribed medication at 15 sounds drastic?

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There is evidence for the use of medication but therapeutic

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approaches are important too. What Amy says is often sadly too that the

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threshold in CAMS is often too high so one needs to be suicidal or

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self-harming before one reaches the threshold. CAMS colleagues work hard

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under difficult circumstances and are very committed but the resources

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aren't adequate to meet the need. So explain in practise how that works

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then? Is it a common thing for a child to present as needing help but

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they are told well, you are not serious enough at the moment and

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then, as time goes on, they hit the threshold? That does unfortunately

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happen far too frequently. For very stretched service that are under

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resourced, they have to manage the demand as best they can and they are

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in a very difficult. Situation, as Amy, is, as a young person that

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needs help. Sean, are kids just being let down here? Well, they are

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and three months was clearly and is too long to wait until you get a

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treatment plan. We have reports across the UK where it's over a

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year. Real access problems and kids are being let down. They need access

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to child and adolescent mental Health Services, but there is a

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whole raft of other interventions that work well. For example,

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parenting programmes, group anti-bullying programmes at school

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and anger management programmes at school for children. These are

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really effective programmes. They are not expensive and the savings

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that you get back on that are really quite impressive that. 'S why we

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have extra money coming in now and we really by this stage should start

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to be seeing some improvements. There is some inprovements across

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the country but not enough. In terms of the general trajectory

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and the fact that it's an issue being talked about much more widely

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in politics, as well as obviously in other environments too, are you

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confident that the money has been promised and that the trajectory is

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now the right one, the right thing is being done? I am and we are

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confident. And the money that is being promised, the ?1. 25 billion

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over five years, what change will that deliver? Oh, it will deliver

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considerable improvements. There is arguments as to whether it's enough,

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there always is arguments. But it will speed up the access, eradicate

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some of the problems Amy is describing earlier, so there'll be

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better access, my honourable friend more staff within the services to be

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able to help the assessment and a treatment plan and it will provide

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some of the things I was talking about, the wider treatment areas

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which are really effective - help in schools, bringing in the education

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authorities, making sure the teachers can screen and talk to

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professionals when they want to so they can pick up problems at an

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early stage. John, why have resources been so stretched? Is it

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because it's a growing problem in terms of the number of children you

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are seeing and the issues that you are dealing with? There is been

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dis-investment in CAMS. It's only recently there's more awareness of

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CAMS and there is an increased prevalence of child mental health

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problems, anxiety self-harm, depression, they are all on the

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increase amongst teenagers in our society today sadly. What is the

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best advice that you would give to somebody who perhaps is like Amy was

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when she was waiting for that help and it wasn't forthcoming and

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obviously time passes, the situation gets worse. What would you say to a

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parent or a child who's currently in that exact position? It is very

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difficult to offer advice that will simply meet the need but talking to

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people is crucial, not being isolated. A lot of people use online

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services but making sure that you talk to someone. A friend, parent,

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teacher, your GP. Obviously, they need to put pressure on the CAMS

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services to offer you the resource needed. CAMS are stretched so we are

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in a bind but I'm hoping, those of us that work in CAMS that things

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will improve. Amy, in the end, you have come through having been

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treated success think, you are 18, at 15 you were prescribed

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medication. What was it that particularly worked for you in the

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end? Just finding a therapist who worked for CAMS that really worked

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for me and took the time to treat me really. Once I'd got the access to

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them and started seeing him, you know, it got so much better just

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having someone who can explain things to you, you know, young

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people, they have these conditions but it's so hard to understand what

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is happening to us or to our minds, especially with mental health

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conditions, so just having a professional to sit and explain

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things to you and make you feel, you know, have an understanding of

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yourself, it's so important. That's what really helped me the most.

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Thank you all very much, John, Sean and Amy. An anonymous texter saying

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CAMS are under funded. If children get help earlier in life, they have

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a level based approach to adulthood. As a magistrate I see how long it

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takes to access CAMS. We asked the Government

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to talk to us this morning The FA bans a club chairman for five

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games for allegedly saying a female ref can't

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cut it in the men's game - we speak to her exclusively -

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it comes as a new survey says half of all women working in football

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have experienced sexism including 27-year-old Josh Hanson was killed

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in a London pub last October. He was stabbed in the neck

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in an apparently unprovoked attack. We speak to Josh's family,

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who are desperate for a man wanted in connection with his death

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to hand himself in. First it's the main

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news this morning. The energy firm Npower confirms

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it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK after reporting an annual loss

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of ?90 million. The job losses represent

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about a fifth of the workforce. EU leaders reach a broad agreement

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with Turkey on returning migrants In return, the EU will promise

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to resettle a similar number of Syrians and will speed up

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the payment of financial after the tennis champion admitted

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failing a drugs test. The sportswear giant Nike says it's

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suspending its relationship with the star while the Swiss watch

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brand Tag Heuer says it's stopped Boris Johnson says a memo

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instructing his senior staff to back him over the EU

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referendum has been withdrawn. The London mayor, who wants to leave

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the EU, said the email was "a cock-up, and not

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something I agree with". Mental health providers in England

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say they've seen "no significant investment" in psychiatric

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services for children Last summer ministers said

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they would invest an additional we have more on Maria Sharapova and

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what could potentially signal the end of her career.

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Last night we knew she had called a press conference and half expected

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her to retire there and then. It was about half filled drugs test and it

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leads the papers. It is front and back page news on the Daily Mirror.

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She has failed a drugs test. Mel Dorney is thought to improve injury

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during Sandra Coveney but she's then she has been using it for the past

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decade and a dozen ever caused the problem. Apparently only since

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January has this been banned. She faces a four year ban. To offer her

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main sponsors have suspended their relationship with the tennis star

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until the investigation concludes. We will be looking at that in detail

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after 10am. Victoria Pendleton, Britain's Olympic cycling champion,

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has been given the go-ahead to race at the Cheltenham festival last --

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next week. We will have more details on that and Maria Sharapova just

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after 10am. A majority of women working

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in football say they've witnessed sexism at work, almost a quarter say

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they've experienced bullying and 15% claim they've been victims

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of sexual harassment. That's according to a survey

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from the campaigning organisation Women in Football who say

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the game has an "ingrained, systemic problem of sexist culture"

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and criticised football's institutions for not doing

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enough to improve it. So is football stuck

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in the dark ages when it comes This programme can reveal

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for the first time that the Football Association fined and banned a club

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chairman for abusing a female official after he was alleged

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to have said she wasn't fit Martin Potton, the chairman

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of non-league club Wellingborough Town,

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was fined ?75, yes ?75, and banned for five games last year

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by the FA for using derogatory and insulting language

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towards a 22-year-old The referee, Mary Harmer,

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has been speaking exclusively Our reporter Robyn

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Cowen has the story. Women are becoming more visible

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in the football industry, in the boardroom, pitch

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side, whether it is playing or working as a referee

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or doctor, and in the media. But it seems there

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are still those who do not want females in

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any part of football. Lindsay England runs

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the anti-homophobia campaign Just Last year football fan Lindsay

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was at a match at Wellingborough Town Football Club when she heard

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somebody abusing the female referee Just after half-time

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I was out on the decking area The team was losing 4-0 at the time

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and within a few minutes And this gentleman

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who was part of the corporate area enjoying

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the hospitality as well decided to say that it was the referee's

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fault that his team were losing 7-0 because she happened to be

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female and she wasn't fit to referee in a women's game,

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let alone in a men's game. And then he carried

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on and carried on and he was going on about -

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I don't understand what the world's coming to these days,

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women seem to get in everywhere. Wherever you turn these days,

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you can't go to work or you

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can't go to enjoy yourself without women being there

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and being in charge. I was shocked to find

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out it was the chairman Lindsay reported these

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comments from Wellingborough Town chairman Martin Potton

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to the Football Association. We understand her claims

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were corroborated by After a hearing which Mr Potton

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didn't attend the FA fined him ?75, banned him from the ground for five

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matches and ordered him to attend Mr Potton denies the

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claims and continues "I deny all the charges

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but was found guilty in my absence because I was denied

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the opportunity of a personal The FA say they offered

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Mr Potton a personal hearing The referee that day

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was Mary Harmer. She didn't hear Mr Potton's comments

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at the time and wasn't involved I didn't find out about the comments

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until a few weeks after when I was perhaps contacted by the county FA

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asking whether I heard these I was actually refereeing the game

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at the time so I didn't hear them because I'm so focused

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on getting the decisions right that I don't often hear what

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the players say or the crowd. I think sometimes when you hear

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those comments it makes you want to work even harder

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and prove that actually women are good referees

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and sometimes we might These comments were something that

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are part of the past and it's The game is changing and sometimes

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people turn their heads, when I warm up and referee

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a game it's quite funny, it's like dominoes,

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they turn their heads. They say, it is a female

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referee today. But actually, I see a time

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in maybe five years' time, and it might be five years,

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it's a referee, it's not a female referee, it's just a referee

:23:39.:23:41.

and they are there to do their job. Just an equal, just

:23:42.:23:44.

as much as a male I've seen quite a few referees over

:23:45.:23:46.

the last two or three years and they know it goes

:23:47.:23:50.

on and sometimes it just goes over Sometimes it does upset them,

:23:51.:23:57.

sometimes it does hurt them, sometimes they don't report it

:23:58.:24:01.

and sometimes they do. It's just part and parcel

:24:02.:24:04.

of the game, sadly, which is there, To be honest, I've

:24:05.:24:06.

gone to a game before and someone has said to me,

:24:07.:24:10.

I don't think we should have female referees in the game and I said

:24:11.:24:13.

let's get a cup of tea and sit down and chat, and talk to me

:24:14.:24:16.

as to why you think we shouldn't have

:24:17.:24:19.

females in the game. And I'm really interested

:24:20.:24:28.

to get your point of view. To be honest, he simply said I'm

:24:29.:24:30.

a dinosaur and I don't like change. I said, I'm sorry but actually

:24:31.:24:34.

football is changing. My experience of male football has

:24:35.:24:37.

been very positive and the comments I have received from them have

:24:38.:24:40.

always been very embracing I think players just

:24:41.:24:42.

want to have a referee that always does their best,

:24:43.:24:47.

shows that they want to be there and are enjoying the game just

:24:48.:24:50.

as much as the players are and I think that's probably

:24:51.:24:53.

the most important thing. Although Mary is determined to be

:24:54.:24:55.

positive the sanctions handed out by the FA to Martin

:24:56.:24:58.

Potton have divided opinion on how

:24:59.:25:00.

effective they will be. Janie Frampton was only the second

:25:01.:25:01.

woman to referee in men's I don't think it really

:25:02.:25:04.

matters what you gave him. Because I think again it's

:25:05.:25:08.

about changing the mindset. Are you going to fine him

:25:09.:25:11.

?200, ?300, are you Is that really going to make

:25:12.:25:13.

any more difference? I think maybe doing some form

:25:14.:25:17.

of community service with women's football

:25:18.:25:19.

might be more helpful. Make them see the sort of people

:25:20.:25:21.

that actually are involved, what they do and the passion

:25:22.:25:23.

that drives them. I have been driven by a passion

:25:24.:25:27.

for football per se since Why shouldn't I be allowed to be

:25:28.:25:30.

involved in football At the age of just 22

:25:31.:25:37.

Mary is just one of only four women in England who are

:25:38.:25:41.

county referee development managers. She was recruited by Laura Smith,

:25:42.:25:44.

the CEO at Suffolk County FA. I believe that once

:25:45.:25:47.

people get to know you and how passionate

:25:48.:25:57.

you are about the game and your understanding of the game

:25:58.:25:59.

then your agenda has You could do a good

:26:00.:26:01.

job, whether you are at Suffolk, males

:26:02.:26:29.

and females, have all I'm responsible for

:26:30.:26:31.

all of the referees in Suffolk, responsible

:26:32.:26:33.

for recruiting them and leading a team that will find

:26:34.:26:35.

opportunities for I always say that my

:26:36.:26:37.

role is to fulfil every referee's

:26:38.:26:40.

potential in Suffolk. Whether that means they want to get

:26:41.:26:42.

to the county level, or whether they want to reach

:26:43.:26:44.

the professional game I will always and courage them and

:26:45.:26:47.

support them until We are there to provide

:26:48.:26:49.

a service and to referee the game and to give our

:26:50.:26:52.

best, whatever game it is. I think that's also

:26:53.:26:55.

really important that we treat each game equally as if it's

:26:56.:26:57.

a cup final every time we go I guess I could go back

:26:58.:27:00.

to when I started refereeing. And I used to think

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then that the FA were doing a great job around racist

:27:05.:27:06.

comments, even back then. But I felt that people

:27:07.:27:09.

could almost call me Being a gender issue

:27:10.:27:11.

there was no route to take it, The FA say they have now put

:27:12.:27:14.

into place a system that means unacceptable behaviour

:27:15.:27:19.

can be challenged. Any time that discriminatory abuse

:27:20.:27:20.

occurs in football it's just frankly Generally across the game we've been

:27:21.:27:23.

an encouraging environment of collective

:27:24.:27:26.

responsibility from club level, with stewards,

:27:27.:27:27.

safety officers etc, all the way through to ourselves,

:27:28.:27:37.

that whenever discriminatory abuse arises, of any form,

:27:38.:27:40.

that people are confident It's really important

:27:41.:27:42.

that we create an environment where people feel

:27:43.:27:44.

comfortable to challenge And confident they'll

:27:45.:27:46.

be supported if they do challenge, whether that's

:27:47.:27:49.

in an employment setting, or whether that's in

:27:50.:27:51.

a match environment. But that people feel they will be

:27:52.:27:53.

listened to and be investigated and there will be an outcome

:27:54.:27:56.

through that process. New research published today

:27:57.:28:08.

by Liverpool University for Women in Football revealed that 70%

:28:09.:28:24.

of the survey respondents felt they had to be better

:28:25.:28:26.

than their male counterparts to succeed

:28:27.:28:28.

in all jobs in football. I think unfortunately in the past

:28:29.:28:30.

I have felt that to be better than the boys I have

:28:31.:28:33.

to be twice as good. And unfortunately that

:28:34.:28:36.

has been the case. But I think again moving

:28:37.:28:37.

forward that's the kind of mindset that is being opened

:28:38.:28:39.

and everyone is equal, the fact we are embracing

:28:40.:28:45.

females in the game in all I think, female or male,

:28:46.:28:48.

anyone interested in becoming a referee never to take

:28:49.:28:51.

the comments that people shout at you

:28:52.:28:53.

or say personally. If every referee took

:28:54.:28:55.

the comments personally then unfortunately we wouldn't

:28:56.:28:56.

have any referees. We need to be doing all we can

:28:57.:28:58.

to support referees and encourage more referees to take up

:28:59.:29:01.

the whistle and get involved. Martin Poulton denies the claims

:29:02.:29:04.

being made against him. But is football stuck

:29:05.:29:11.

in the dark ages when it comes We can speak now to Anna Kessel,

:29:12.:29:14.

a journalist at the Guardian who runs the campaign

:29:15.:29:18.

group Women in Football, who've released a survey today

:29:19.:29:20.

which suggests most women working in football have experienced sexism,

:29:21.:29:22.

Annie Zaidi, who coaches Leicester City's under-11s,

:29:23.:29:24.

Janie Frampton, a former referee, and Carolyn Radford,

:29:25.:29:26.

who's the Chief Executive He denies that he did it, but the FA

:29:27.:29:42.

found against him and decided ?75 fine and a five match ban was the

:29:43.:29:48.

right punishment. The level of the find tends to reflect the level of

:29:49.:29:51.

football so if it was the Premier League he would have received a

:29:52.:29:56.

bigger fine. There is an educational element alongside that. In our

:29:57.:30:05.

survey woman said that her organisation has paid out thousands

:30:06.:30:08.

of pounds re-educating people landed there is not changing anything. We

:30:09.:30:14.

have to look at how effective it is. Burying in mind that so few of these

:30:15.:30:18.

cases ever get reported. See the light of day. Women in football has

:30:19.:30:25.

these new statistics. What would you say about the broader trends? It is

:30:26.:30:31.

worrying that over half of women have experienced sexism in the

:30:32.:30:39.

workplace. These statistics are concerning an sexism has been left

:30:40.:30:42.

off the radar when it comes to football. We have had 20 years of

:30:43.:30:47.

other kinds of campaign so we have to catch up. What have your

:30:48.:30:56.

experiences been? I experienced racism and sexism and I think sexism

:30:57.:31:03.

is sugar coated in the game. It demoralises the female coach,

:31:04.:31:03.

undermines you. I started out as a grass roots

:31:04.:31:18.

coach. Women in the game are far and few. You have to question why, is it

:31:19.:31:25.

because we are not good enough, no, the opportunities aren't there for

:31:26.:31:30.

us. There's no-one there pioneering or giving us the opportunity to have

:31:31.:31:35.

a go and show us the respect we Zoe serve. What's your experience been?

:31:36.:31:41.

Very similar experience. Early days when I was refereeing, you didn't

:31:42.:31:44.

think there was anybody there to support you if you did want to say

:31:45.:31:47.

anything, so I think we tolerated it. What sort of things did you

:31:48.:31:53.

experience? Oh, awful things. Some of the comments wereth made were

:31:54.:31:58.

horrendous. The worst thing ever said was that I was running the line

:31:59.:32:03.

at a professional club and I was told that, I hope your children die

:32:04.:32:07.

of cancer. I looked at that and thought, what has that got to do

:32:08.:32:11.

with football, are you doing it to put me off my game or, is it just

:32:12.:32:15.

because I'm female? They wouldn't say that to a male assistant

:32:16.:32:19.

referee. Steve on Twitter says refs of both sexes get abuse in football,

:32:20.:32:24.

jostled and intimidated, try it in rugby and you're off. Is that a fair

:32:25.:32:31.

comment, it happens to all? I think it does. All the way through you get

:32:32.:32:35.

the ref abuse which is normal, male and female, then on top of that, we

:32:36.:32:40.

get the gender abuse added. Like Annie said, there was never anywhere

:32:41.:32:43.

to report it so you felt you had to put up with it to stay in the game

:32:44.:32:47.

you were passionate about. Carolyn, do you feel like a woman in a man's

:32:48.:32:54.

world? Yes. I mean I think football's still very hostile

:32:55.:32:58.

territory for women. The language described on my appointment was made

:32:59.:33:06.

me quite alert, it was how I looked, my blonde hair and there were

:33:07.:33:10.

horrible comments made about me. I don't look on the Internet or

:33:11.:33:15.

anything like that. But it definitely wasn't about my

:33:16.:33:18.

qualifications or ability to do a job. You'd gone into football as a

:33:19.:33:22.

CEO from the business world hadn't you, so was it a bit of a culture

:33:23.:33:29.

shock for you? A huge culture shock. I don't think really that, it's

:33:30.:33:33.

almost like you are involved with football so you are expected to put

:33:34.:33:37.

up with it, but I don't think any other industry in the world would

:33:38.:33:41.

put up with the level of abuse that you have to dismiss and just put up

:33:42.:33:47.

with. It's not right. How do you deal with it at your

:33:48.:33:51.

club? Well, since I've come in, at our

:33:52.:33:56.

club, we didn't have a female football team at all. So they'd been

:33:57.:34:02.

dismissed a couple of seasons prior to my appointment. They've brought

:34:03.:34:07.

them back in and we are allowed to play on the same pitch as the first

:34:08.:34:14.

team and use the same facilities. In other professional clubs and

:34:15.:34:18.

non-league as well. Women are very much sidelined in the football arena

:34:19.:34:22.

in other clubs. Anna, you said it's demoralising when you get the abuse

:34:23.:34:26.

that you have experienced. How do you deal with it? You report it but

:34:27.:34:35.

then you end up being not wanting to break the mould because football is

:34:36.:34:40.

a tight-knit community. If you complain about anything, you are

:34:41.:34:43.

labelled a troublemaker after ruffling the feathers. Are there

:34:44.:34:53.

signs that it's being taken seriously at senior level? I think

:34:54.:34:58.

last season, highlighting, as we did, the sexist abuse that Dr

:34:59.:35:08.

Canieiro got, it brought up this issue, so I hope that things are

:35:09.:35:14.

changing but very strongly saying things that women are frightened to

:35:15.:35:19.

report it. When they do, there were several claims they were threatened

:35:20.:35:22.

to withdraw the complaint or if they were reporting it, they didn't know

:35:23.:35:28.

where to go, sometimes it was their boss and like Annie says, it's a

:35:29.:35:32.

close-knit community, if you burn your bridges, you could be out. You

:35:33.:35:36.

have high ambitions Annie to be a top flight coach haven't you? In a

:35:37.:35:41.

men's game, yes. If you achieve it, you would be the first woman to get

:35:42.:35:46.

there. What help are you getting? I'm for Nat that QPR manager, Les

:35:47.:35:52.

Ferdinand saw potential in me as a coach, not as a woman, but both him

:35:53.:35:58.

and Chris are nurturing my development. My ambition is to work

:35:59.:36:03.

in a men's game and they are saying, if you want to gain experience, yes.

:36:04.:36:14.

After a few years, I was given the opportunity to go to QPR week in

:36:15.:36:19.

week out to coach the under 21s and 18s in that male environment. How

:36:20.:36:25.

are you finding it? I love it, I can't get enough of it. Society

:36:26.:36:29.

makes a big deal out of it. As long as you know what you are doing and

:36:30.:36:32.

you are a confident and good coach, that's all the players are concerned

:36:33.:36:35.

about. Some e-mails, let me know what you think about them. Tony on

:36:36.:36:39.

e-mail, football's always been a man's game, women should expect

:36:40.:36:42.

problems when they become involved. There is a successful women's game

:36:43.:36:46.

so why are women so keen to infill freight the men's. An anonymous

:36:47.:36:51.

texter, no objection to referring to women's football but every time we

:36:52.:36:56.

see a female Hoy profile ref it always endsth ends up with issues or

:36:57.:37:00.

the courts. Peter, women complaining again, if life if you are good

:37:01.:37:04.

enough no-one notices you, if you need to use your gender to get on,

:37:05.:37:07.

maybe you should question your ability. From a referee's point of

:37:08.:37:11.

view, we don't have problems with the players. They are the least of

:37:12.:37:14.

our problems, they are brilliant. Very rare do you have a problem as a

:37:15.:37:19.

female referee on the field of play. But it is the administration, the

:37:20.:37:23.

management, the decision-makers, that's where the problem is. They

:37:24.:37:26.

are the mindsets that just can't seem to change and move on. I think

:37:27.:37:31.

it's important to say the survey covered all levels of football right

:37:32.:37:36.

up to the most elite level but also across the men and women's game so

:37:37.:37:39.

it's not to say that all the problems are located in the men's

:37:40.:37:43.

game, in the women's game, women are being squeezed out, there are only

:37:44.:37:47.

two female coaches in the WSL league and the women's game is still

:37:48.:37:53.

predominantly run by men. On that, women in sport have unfailed the

:37:54.:37:59.

first woman, Mark Sampson the English patron? That's following the

:38:00.:38:06.

trend of he for she and that's something we want to encourage more,

:38:07.:38:11.

male mentors and it's important when you see what Annie is doing at QPR

:38:12.:38:16.

with Les and Chris. There are women coaches wanting to come through and

:38:17.:38:19.

facing a lot of barriers. Thank you all very much for your comments.

:38:20.:38:30.

Still to come: Maria Sharapova is facing a lengthy ban from tennis

:38:31.:38:32.

after failing a drugs test. Still to come today; 'they can

:38:33.:38:46.

accomplish anything, The words of artist Dan White

:38:47.:38:49.

who has transformed his nine-year old disabled daughter into a comic

:38:50.:38:54.

book superhero whose disability I'm Dan White, writer and creator of

:38:55.:39:15.

the Department of Ability. I'm father to Emily, she's nine and has

:39:16.:39:24.

spina bifida and hydro-cephalis. It's a comic for kids. It's going to

:39:25.:39:30.

be a comic book about five main characters, each with a visible

:39:31.:39:33.

disability which becomes their ultimate weapon to fight bad guys.

:39:34.:39:38.

I'm the head of the gang and I've got a flying wheelchair. Giving up

:39:39.:39:45.

the job was a necessity. I was working long hours 6-6, that took a

:39:46.:39:50.

lot of time, I would draw through to the early hours, be out the door

:39:51.:39:57.

again in the morning. I've been commissioned by Strong Bones

:39:58.:40:00.

Charitable Trust who're saying, create a comic book around your

:40:01.:40:04.

heroes, we'll pay for print and distribution because we are after

:40:05.:40:08.

getting the message of inclusion out there via something that all

:40:09.:40:11.

children love which is super heroes. We are just getting by. Obviously we

:40:12.:40:16.

have got loans and things like that to support us, but it's never really

:40:17.:40:20.

been about the money side of it. It's nice to be part of the whole

:40:21.:40:24.

diversity inclusion umbrella that seems to be gathering speed. I feel

:40:25.:40:33.

left out sometimes. She was always super. Her attitude's always been

:40:34.:40:40.

like, I'm going to do something and it's not going to hold me back.

:40:41.:40:44.

That's a general trend around the kids regardless of ability because

:40:45.:40:48.

all kids are fantastic little sponges that will soak up knowledge

:40:49.:40:53.

and information. There's no reason why disabled kids are any different.

:40:54.:40:57.

How was school? Good, thank you. I've been working on a new

:40:58.:41:01.

character. Rio with the running blade, I've drawn him in, he's going

:41:02.:41:05.

to save Pawsey at the end, leap on his back at the end. What do you

:41:06.:41:10.

reckon? He and Pawsey could be a team. Brilliant.

:41:11.:41:17.

I want to see that people like me can go in shows and feel included.

:41:18.:41:26.

When Emily was first diagnosed, we made a promise as parents like no,

:41:27.:41:30.

we are going to get on with they are, she's going to be independent

:41:31.:41:33.

and she'll make good of herself. People are doing it these days

:41:34.:41:37.

because they want to say to other community, look, my child's in a

:41:38.:41:44.

wheelchair but they love Star Wars and science fiction. We are not

:41:45.:41:47.

doing it purely to say they are in a wheelchair look we made them look

:41:48.:41:51.

good, no, it's because they like doing it, these kids love the action

:41:52.:41:56.

heroes, music, they want to dress up, parents help them do it because

:41:57.:42:00.

this generation actively believe in their children and their spirit and

:42:01.:42:03.

that they can accomplish anything if given the chance. I just like being

:42:04.:42:11.

in comics. My dad's my hero. I think that people who've got a disability

:42:12.:42:15.

can be super heroes too. You can read more on that on the BBC News

:42:16.:42:19.

site. Let's catch up with the weather with Carol.

:42:20.:42:24.

Good morning. I want to show you the difference A weather front makes to

:42:25.:42:31.

our with. This morning we have had this weather front -- weather front.

:42:32.:42:38.

This is all depicted beautifully in the weather-watchers' pictures. We

:42:39.:42:43.

love a beautiful sun rise. Look at this in Nottingham this morning.

:42:44.:42:47.

Gorgeous colours. Stunning. Isn't that beautiful. Here is another one.

:42:48.:42:56.

This is in West Yorkshire. A lot of lovely sunshine around. But, just

:42:57.:43:00.

ahead of the weather front, the cloud was building, as it did in

:43:01.:43:04.

with us IIshire, it also produced some snow. Lovely picture of falling

:43:05.:43:10.

snow in Aberdeenshire. As we go through the day, and that weather

:43:11.:43:15.

front continues... It's beautiful. Here is the sun coming in behind.

:43:16.:43:19.

The weather front strolls south, so some of us will see some rain. The

:43:20.:43:23.

rain will continue to push, but as it does, what you will find is, it's

:43:24.:43:28.

going to be more of a weakening band so the rain will turn more showery

:43:29.:43:31.

and the cloud will continue to build ahead of it. Here is the weather

:43:32.:43:36.

front. Behind it, a return to bright spells. Some in the shelter of any

:43:37.:43:40.

hills and mountains but also some showers. Showers in Scotland will be

:43:41.:43:44.

wintry. In Northern Ireland, temperatures up to eight. Cloudy, a

:43:45.:43:49.

bit of brightness but still the showers peppering the north and the

:43:50.:43:52.

west of Scotland. On the hills, they'll be wintry. In the shelter of

:43:53.:43:56.

the Grampians and Highlands, we'll see some sunshine.

:43:57.:44:01.

After this morning's rain clears the north of England, again we'll see

:44:02.:44:06.

some sunshine but a few showers still too.

:44:07.:44:12.

The cloud continues to build. The tip of Kent seeing some sunshine.

:44:13.:44:16.

Further west, on the other side of the weather front, still some

:44:17.:44:20.

showers and a lot of cloud, not just in south-west England but also

:44:21.:44:25.

Wales. In the shelter of the hills once again, sunny spells. For most,

:44:26.:44:30.

it will be fairly cloudy. Through the evening, the next system romps

:44:31.:44:33.

in from the Atlantic introducing rain, sleet and snow and

:44:34.:44:37.

strengthening winds too. It's not going to be as cold a night as the

:44:38.:44:41.

one that's just gone. The one that just went for example in

:44:42.:44:45.

Oxfordshire, the temperature fell the minus seven. We won't see

:44:46.:44:48.

anything like that this coming night. Slow progress tonight and if

:44:49.:44:58.

you look at the isobars, that tells us it will be windy in England,

:44:59.:45:03.

Wales, particularly so for Wales and south-west England where we are

:45:04.:45:06.

looking at gusts to severe gale force. Inland gusts of 50mph so you

:45:07.:45:12.

will notice that. Very, very slowsly the rain pushes towards the

:45:13.:45:16.

south-east. But for many parts of central and eastern England, it's

:45:17.:45:21.

going to be a dull day. Behind that, brightness coming through, showers

:45:22.:45:24.

peppering the north and west and some of those will be wintry.

:45:25.:45:27.

Tomorrow will be cold, particularly if you are stuck under the band of

:45:28.:45:32.

rain. As we head from Thursday into Friday, even into the weekend, the

:45:33.:45:36.

milder air is depredict bid the yellows here, that flows across us

:45:37.:45:37.

all. Hello, it's Tuesday,

:45:38.:45:44.

it's just after 10am, Welcome to the programme

:45:45.:45:45.

if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11am: This

:45:46.:45:49.

morning Maria Sharapova, the world's highest paid female

:45:50.:45:51.

sports star, is facing a lengthy ban from tennis after

:45:52.:45:54.

failing a drugs test. I made a huge mistake. I have let my

:45:55.:46:07.

fine stone. I have let this put down that I have been playing since the

:46:08.:46:08.

age of four that I love so deeply. The tennis world has been

:46:09.:46:15.

divided on her fate. 18 times Grand Slam winner

:46:16.:46:17.

Martina Navratilova called it an "honest mistake" whereas three

:46:18.:46:20.

times Grand Slam champion Jennifer Capriati says she's

:46:21.:46:22.

"extremely angry and disappointed". We will get reaction from other

:46:23.:46:39.

tennis players. " Is losing 2400 jobs. If you work at the company,

:46:40.:46:41.

get in touch. And legalise cannabis and sell

:46:42.:46:46.

it in licensed shops. That's the message from

:46:47.:46:48.

the Liberal Democrats today. We'll hear from them and people

:46:49.:46:50.

who've used cannabis. The energy firm Npower confirms

:46:51.:47:00.

it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK after reporting an "extremely

:47:01.:47:06.

disappointing" performance in 2015. Including losing customers after

:47:07.:47:18.

problems with complaints handling and billing.

:47:19.:47:20.

The job losses represent about a fifth of the workforce.

:47:21.:47:23.

We will have more on that before 11am. Let us know if you are

:47:24.:47:32.

employed by them or if you have been a customer who has been led down.

:47:33.:47:38.

The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,

:47:39.:47:40.

has said a plan to ease the migrant crisis, agreed in principle

:47:41.:47:43.

between EU leaders and Turkey, is a "real game changer".

:47:44.:47:46.

The Turkish government has said it will take back all illegal migrants

:47:47.:47:49.

arriving on the Greek islands as long as the EU accepts

:47:50.:47:51.

an equivalent number of Syrians from camps in Turkey,

:47:52.:47:53.

and allows Turks to travel in the EU without visas by June.

:47:54.:47:56.

The plan will be considered at an EU summit next week.

:47:57.:47:59.

Two leading sponsors have already moved to distance themselves

:48:00.:48:09.

from the tennis champion Maria Sharapova after she last night

:48:10.:48:11.

admitted failing a drugs test.

:48:12.:48:12.

The sportswear giant Nike says it's suspending its relationship

:48:13.:48:14.

with the star while the Swiss watch brand Tag Heuer says it's stopped

:48:15.:48:17.

Boris Johnson says a memo instructing his senior staff

:48:18.:48:22.

to back him over the EU referendum or keep quiet has been withdrawn.

:48:23.:48:27.

The London mayor, who wants to leave the EU, said the email

:48:28.:48:30.

was "a cock-up" and that his staff were not being silenced.

:48:31.:48:37.

You can tell they are not gagged because they have for some days been

:48:38.:48:44.

producing all sorts of views completely different in my own. That

:48:45.:48:48.

is what people would expect from this. What about the email? As so

:48:49.:48:56.

does isolate it ceased to be operative and it has not really been

:48:57.:49:03.

operative at all. We will talk to Norman Smith later on that.

:49:04.:49:07.

Mental health providers in England say they've seen "no significant

:49:08.:49:09.

investment" in psychiatric services for children

:49:10.:49:11.

Last summer ministers said they would invest an additional

:49:12.:49:14.

The television reported in the US has been awarded compensation after

:49:15.:49:32.

being recorded in the heart hotel room by a stalker. The videos were

:49:33.:49:43.

posted online. We have more on Maria Sharapova and what could signal the

:49:44.:49:49.

end of her career potentially. We have a bulletin full of women but

:49:50.:49:55.

not met the family positive reasons. -- necessarily.

:49:56.:49:57.

The highest-earning female athlete in the world has failed

:49:58.:49:59.

Tennis superstar Maria Sharapova tested positive during last month's

:50:00.:50:04.

Now, the banned substance in question

:50:05.:50:06.

is meldonium, which she says she's been taking since 2006

:50:07.:50:08.

But, Sharapova says she was unaware it had recently been added

:50:09.:50:13.

to the World Anti Doping Agency's banned list, because it's thought

:50:14.:50:16.

Here's our tennis correspondent Russell Fuller.

:50:17.:50:25.

Maria Sharapova's lawyer has spoken of a laundry list of extremely

:50:26.:50:31.

mitigating circumstances he thinks should result in a dramatic

:50:32.:50:36.

reduction of any sanction. If you tribunal decides the five-time Grand

:50:37.:50:41.

Slam champion ingested the substance unintentionally the ban would be a

:50:42.:50:46.

maximum of two gears which could be released reduced by half. She has

:50:47.:50:52.

been the happiest earning athlete for each of the last five years but

:50:53.:50:56.

that position could be under threat and Nike has suspended a contract.

:50:57.:51:01.

Former Chelsea doctor Ava Carneiro has failed to come to an agreement

:51:02.:51:05.

The two parties met for six hours yesterday,

:51:06.:51:09.

as she looks to reach a settlement for constructive dismissal

:51:10.:51:11.

The two parties will now proceed to a full public tribunal in June.

:51:12.:51:15.

But it is still possible for a settlement to be

:51:16.:51:18.

One of Britain's most prominent sporting stars and the double

:51:19.:51:25.

Olympic cycling champion Victoria Pendleton,

:51:26.:51:27.

who only switched saddles and started

:51:28.:51:32.

horse racing last year, will be riding at the Cheltenham

:51:33.:51:35.

Despite critics arguing she's not ready, Pendleton won her first race

:51:36.:51:38.

as an amateur jockey on Pacha du Polder last week,

:51:39.:51:41.

and will partner him again in the Foxhunter Chase

:51:42.:51:43.

at National Hunt Racing's premier meeting.

:51:44.:51:53.

Within the first couple of days, it got me in the heart and I voted was

:51:54.:51:59.

amazing. I loved it and I loved everything about them. And that it

:52:00.:52:06.

has been successful and that I have found a second chance to do

:52:07.:52:09.

something sporting in my life. So if Pendleton can switch

:52:10.:52:14.

from cycling to horse rising, can another Olympic

:52:15.:52:16.

star repeat the trick? Double Olympic gold medallist

:52:17.:52:18.

Laura Trott, who also won two golds at the track world championship

:52:19.:52:20.

in London last week, certainly doesn't see

:52:21.:52:24.

herself switching saddles. I could not think of anything worse.

:52:25.:52:34.

It is not for me. Hats off to Victoria. What she has done

:52:35.:52:39.

switching over is incredible. She has some serious guts. To fall off

:52:40.:52:44.

and come back and win shows the kind of character that she is. Good luck,

:52:45.:52:53.

I guess, in her next race. I will have the headlines at 10:30am.

:52:54.:53:03.

Welcome to the programme. We are on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel

:53:04.:53:09.

until 11 a. We will bring you the latest news and developing stories.

:53:10.:53:10.

We are keen to hear from you. My 12-year-old was suffering from

:53:11.:53:35.

depression. Our GP referred him to a mental health service and during a

:53:36.:53:40.

nine-month waiting time to see them we find our son in the kitchen with

:53:41.:53:45.

a carving knife at his chest. We rang them to stress the urgency of

:53:46.:53:50.

him seeing someone. We were told it might be worthwhile knowing that in

:53:51.:53:54.

order to get an early appointment our son would need to seriously harm

:53:55.:53:57.

themselves sufficient to take him to A Someone says it is hard to

:53:58.:54:06.

explain mental health issues in this country. My 18-year-old daughter are

:54:07.:54:11.

suffering because of slow process by the system. Someone says please

:54:12.:54:14.

continue your brilliant efforts on behalf of children. Only by publicly

:54:15.:54:20.

talking about it will anything change. Keep doing your best. All

:54:21.:54:29.

the usual ways of getting in touch. You will be charged at the standard

:54:30.:54:33.

network rate for text messages. You can watch the programme online or on

:54:34.:54:42.

the BBC News app. She was born in the shadow of Chernobyl. She worked

:54:43.:54:46.

her way up to become the worlds highest paid female sports star

:54:47.:54:52.

worth almost $200 million. Maria Sharapova's career is in tatters

:54:53.:54:56.

after admitting that she failed a drugs test in January. The former

:54:57.:55:04.

world number one who has won five tennis grand slams tested positive

:55:05.:55:06.

for a drug used to treat blood through restriction. She says she

:55:07.:55:11.

has been taking it legally for ten years but failed to notice it was

:55:12.:55:15.

put on a list of banned substances that applied from this January. I

:55:16.:55:20.

wanted to let you know that a few days ago I received a letter from

:55:21.:55:25.

the ITF that I had failed a drugs test at the Australian Open. I felt

:55:26.:55:30.

the test and I take full responsibility for it. For the past

:55:31.:55:38.

ten years I have been given a medicine by my doctor, my family

:55:39.:55:46.

doctor. A few days ago after receiving the ITF I found out that

:55:47.:55:51.

it also has another name which I did not know, meldonium. For ten years

:55:52.:56:02.

this medicine was not on the banned list and I had been legally taking

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the medicine for the past ten years. On January the 1st the rules changed

:56:08.:56:16.

and meldonium became a prohibited substance. Which I had not known. I

:56:17.:56:26.

was given this medicine by my doctor for several health issues that I was

:56:27.:56:32.

having in 2006. I was getting sick a lot, I was getting the flu every

:56:33.:56:38.

couple of months. I had a regular results. As well as indications of

:56:39.:56:45.

diabetes with a family history of diabetes. I thought it was very

:56:46.:56:51.

important for me to come out and speak about this in front of all of

:56:52.:56:59.

you because they wrote my long career -- throughout my long career

:57:00.:57:03.

I have been open and honest about many things and I take great

:57:04.:57:06.

responsibility and professionalism in my job every single day and I

:57:07.:57:15.

made a huge mistake and I have let my fans down, I have let the sport

:57:16.:57:20.

down that I have been playing sings the age of four that I love so

:57:21.:57:32.

deeply. I know that with this I face consequences and I do not want to

:57:33.:57:37.

end my career this way. I've recall that I will be given another chance.

:57:38.:57:46.

-- ie hope. She is facing a lengthy ban and two of her sponsors have

:57:47.:57:51.

suspended their relationship with her. Her lawyer says he is hopeful

:57:52.:57:57.

she can avoid a lengthy ban saying we think there is a laundry list of

:57:58.:58:02.

extremely mitigating circumstances that once taken into account would

:58:03.:58:07.

reduce any sanction. Jo Durie joins us now

:58:08.:58:11.

from north-west London and we can also speak to Paul Dimeo

:58:12.:58:18.

an expert at in sport doping What is your reaction? Shocked. It

:58:19.:58:33.

is a desperate mistake from Maria Sharapova they did not look at the

:58:34.:58:38.

new less than did not open email by all accounts. Every tennis player is

:58:39.:58:43.

given a new less of banned substances. She has been taking it

:58:44.:58:49.

for ten years for health problems. December of the 31st it is OK and

:58:50.:58:55.

January the 1st it I think it is a genuine mistake and the desperate

:58:56.:58:59.

mistake. Do you feel sympathy for her? I feel sympathy for her because

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she is not stupid, she would not take something that is banned. She

:59:11.:59:15.

is a good professional. She is being honest. If anybody watches that

:59:16.:59:21.

interviews she has given you can see how devastated she is. Every athlete

:59:22.:59:25.

knows whatever you put in your body you have to check that it is all

:59:26.:59:29.

right and if you are taking something that is not all right you

:59:30.:59:34.

are going to be banned. There was prior warning before the ban came in

:59:35.:59:40.

from January saying that you did not open an email, is that enough? Yes,

:59:41.:59:52.

I think every athlete knows that you have to look. She is surrounded by a

:59:53.:59:57.

team of experts. That is what she pays them for. Why were they not on

:59:58.:00:06.

this? Tell us about this drug. It is not something that has been on the

:00:07.:00:11.

radar more widely but it was brought in to the list of banned substances

:00:12.:00:15.

from the start of this year. What could it do? It is designed for

:00:16.:00:25.

heart problems. It don't Mike increases circulation of red blood

:00:26.:00:30.

cells which carry oxygen, the muscles can work better. It can aid

:00:31.:00:38.

in general and sand work capacity. There were some signs that was going

:00:39.:00:43.

to become a mag issue last year when surveys showed high prevalence,

:00:44.:00:51.

athletes were using it. Particularly Russia, 17% of athletes were using

:00:52.:00:58.

it compared to a wider international survey of 2.2% using it. There is

:00:59.:01:03.

some context to this. I take the point that the people surrounding

:01:04.:01:08.

Maria Sharapova should have been more aware of it. She says she had

:01:09.:01:13.

been taking advertising years because of health issues. What sort

:01:14.:01:17.

of health issues wouldn't be used for? -- would it.

:01:18.:01:27.

Heart conditions, angina and things like that. She said she had small

:01:28.:01:35.

issues. She also mentioned diabetes and magnesium deficiency, but I'm

:01:36.:01:38.

not sure how they are connected. I do think it's potentially a genuine

:01:39.:01:43.

case, but if it's her family Doctor Who's prescribed this, there seems

:01:44.:01:47.

potentially to be a communication issue between that doctor and her

:01:48.:01:49.

sports doctor. I'm not sure where she was getting

:01:50.:02:07.

it. I believe she lives in the US, so if there were some questions that

:02:08.:02:12.

came out... Lots of people getting in touch via social media on this.

:02:13.:02:16.

Maria on Twitter says, she should know what a banned substance is and

:02:17.:02:20.

be stripped of all her titles. William on e-mail, it's a technical

:02:21.:02:24.

cheat, not a philosophical cheat. That ought to make the difference in

:02:25.:02:29.

life. Derek on Twitter, not her fault, she should not be banned. I

:02:30.:02:33.

feel disgusted by the Tennis Federation for not telling her.

:02:34.:02:37.

Another texter, sorry but she got caught, her excuse is laughable. How

:02:38.:02:40.

would you react to comments like that? A lot of comments going around

:02:41.:02:53.

but it's been OK to take that drug for ten years. They only started

:02:54.:02:58.

victing it last year and, from January 1st, they put it on the

:02:59.:03:02.

banned list -- investigating it last year. She hasn't been cheating but

:03:03.:03:07.

she's made a really big mistake not looking but the people around her

:03:08.:03:12.

also not looking and there's ignorance of the facts. A lot of

:03:13.:03:17.

tennis players and athletes will be now looking at the list of banned

:03:18.:03:21.

substances and some might be panicking a bit. What would your

:03:22.:03:24.

feeling be? Obviously we don't know all the facts, we have heard from

:03:25.:03:29.

Maria Sharapova, she could potentially face a four-year ban but

:03:30.:03:35.

her lawyers say there is a laundry list of mitigating circumstances,

:03:36.:03:38.

the ban could be reduced to almost nothing, where on the spectrum is

:03:39.:03:44.

your gut on this one this morning? Well I think it was a big mistake

:03:45.:03:49.

but I still think it is a banned substance, yes, she should be

:03:50.:03:54.

banned, I don't think four years, I think no, I think probably a year, I

:03:55.:03:59.

don't know, it's going to go to arbitration obviously. Something

:04:00.:04:02.

must be done to show, you know, the whole world, not only the tennis

:04:03.:04:06.

world, that you can't take stuff, whether you are ignorant of the fact

:04:07.:04:10.

or not. Thank you very much Jo and Paul. Another of Maria Sharapova's

:04:11.:04:19.

sponsors Avon has been speaking, a holding statement, saying they don't

:04:20.:04:24.

have a statement to make at this time, following on from Nike and Tag

:04:25.:04:32.

Hauer withdrawing their sponsorship of Maria Sharapova.

:04:33.:04:35.

The hidden abuse of breast ironing where girls living in this country

:04:36.:04:38.

are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects to destroy

:04:39.:04:41.

breast development and prevent unwanted male attention.

:04:42.:04:43.

One Tory MP tells this programme more needs to be done.

:04:44.:04:55.

The family of a 27-year old man killed in a London pub last October

:04:56.:04:59.

are calling for the man wanted in connection with his murder

:05:00.:05:03.

Josh Hanson was stabbed in the neck in what is thought to be

:05:04.:05:08.

Police say they're looking for 27-year-old Shane O'Brien

:05:09.:05:16.

in connection with the assault and have offered a ten thousand

:05:17.:05:19.

pound reward for information leading to a successful prosecution.

:05:20.:05:23.

His name - and that of four others have been added to the UK's list

:05:24.:05:26.

of most wanted fugitives who're thought to be hiding

:05:27.:05:28.

The other four fugitives who police are keen to speak to are; 24 year

:05:29.:05:34.

old David Ungi who is from Liverpool.

:05:35.:05:35.

Police want to speak to him in connection with a fatal shooting

:05:36.:05:38.

He's also accused of conspiracy to supply heroin.

:05:39.:05:44.

Then there's 40-year-old David Walley who is described

:05:45.:05:46.

He's wanted by police over allegations of drug trafficking

:05:47.:05:50.

following a police operation in Manchester.

:05:51.:05:52.

Also on the list is 29-year-old Shazad Ghafoor who's also

:05:53.:05:55.

from Manchester and is wanted by police in connection with fraud,

:05:56.:05:59.

possession of criminal property and possession of cannabis

:06:00.:06:02.

And then there's Ahmed Omar who was on trial for drug offences

:06:03.:06:09.

in November last year but absconded before it concluded.

:06:10.:06:13.

Police are asking for anyone with any information about any

:06:14.:06:17.

of these men to call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

:06:18.:06:21.

We can talk now to Tracey and Brooke Hanson,

:06:22.:06:24.

mother and brother of Josh Hanson who was stabbed and killed in a pub

:06:25.:06:28.

Police want to speak to 28-year-old Shane O'Brien in connection

:06:29.:06:38.

with the murder and believe he's now in the Netherlands.

:06:39.:06:44.

Thank you for joining us Tracey and Brook. It was only last October that

:06:45.:06:51.

your son was killed in a pub so it's all very recent for you. Must have

:06:52.:06:55.

been an extremely difficult time. Take us back to that night and what

:06:56.:07:01.

you're able to say about your understanding of what happened in

:07:02.:07:04.

this what police say was a completely unprovoked attack? In the

:07:05.:07:08.

early hours of Sunday morning 11th October, Josh was with his

:07:09.:07:12.

girlfriend for a very short period of time. He was stabbed in the neck.

:07:13.:07:20.

I received a phone call in the early hours of the morning to tell me that

:07:21.:07:25.

Josh had been stabbed and Brooke and I made our way to the bar in East

:07:26.:07:31.

Coates. That was confirmed to us by the police officers.

:07:32.:07:40.

Total shock, dismay. Overwhelmed, obviously, trying to process that

:07:41.:07:51.

information. Then finding out three days later that there was a suspect

:07:52.:07:55.

that the police would like to speak so in connection with Josh's murder

:07:56.:08:00.

and since that day we've been sharing a lot of grief alongside the

:08:01.:08:05.

murder investigation and we are here today to ask for the public to come

:08:06.:08:11.

forward if they know of anyone anywhere who might have information

:08:12.:08:16.

as to the whereabouts of Shane O'Brien, or he himself, to make

:08:17.:08:19.

contact with the police. What impact has that had on you knowing since

:08:20.:08:22.

three days after the killing that there was somebody in particular

:08:23.:08:25.

police want to be able to speak to about what happened and that they

:08:26.:08:28.

haven't been able to speak to him yet? Well, at first, I think we felt

:08:29.:08:35.

OK, so there is somebody that the police would like to speak to and

:08:36.:08:42.

this would happen quite quickly. Every single waking moment of the

:08:43.:08:46.

day is sharing our grief alongside the murder investigation, so where

:08:47.:08:52.

we see Josh's face, we see Shane O'Brien's face. So we are sharing

:08:53.:08:59.

our grief really, we are not being able to mourn in peace, if you like,

:09:00.:09:04.

and just hold our memories of Josh. We are constantly aware that we need

:09:05.:09:12.

to keep driving our justice for Josh Hanson campaign forward, sending out

:09:13.:09:15.

the word and posters and asking the public for help in the hope that

:09:16.:09:19.

Shane O'Brien will be caught. Tell us more about your son, Josh?

:09:20.:09:30.

We have got pictures that you've given us of Josh, tell us what he

:09:31.:09:32.

was like? Yes. Erm... Just lovely. A lovely

:09:33.:09:42.

young man, hard-working, funny. Sorry.

:09:43.:09:50.

Just very caring and considerate. A fantastic laugh. He kept us all

:09:51.:09:57.

upbeat. He was our best friend as well. We had a were strong bond.

:09:58.:10:09.

It's just every day, it's just not the same without him in our lives,

:10:10.:10:15.

in this world, you know, it's just, we feel like, well I feel like I'm

:10:16.:10:19.

behind a curtain for most of the time. We celebrated Josh's birthday

:10:20.:10:25.

recently. I did a skydive which is something he did a few years back

:10:26.:10:30.

for charity. We felt that being up in the sky would bring us closer to

:10:31.:10:38.

him. It was an amazing experience and we've just been through Mother's

:10:39.:10:44.

Day which was horrendous to look back on the cards that he'd given me

:10:45.:10:49.

in the past few years and to read those messages and for Brooke to

:10:50.:10:55.

have to write his card this year, so painful.

:10:56.:11:02.

Just awful. Can't describe this pain. I wouldn't wish this on

:11:03.:11:13.

anyone, it's just off, there's no goodbyes, just an horrific end to

:11:14.:11:17.

such a promising life. Josh had so much to look forward to this year.

:11:18.:11:21.

He was going to be an usher at his best friend's wedding. He had lots

:11:22.:11:26.

of holiday plans. We were going on holiday. So... All of those hopes

:11:27.:11:36.

and dreams for him have been just taken away. And also taken away from

:11:37.:11:44.

us. How do you remember your brother, Brooke? Just my world

:11:45.:11:51.

really, just addictive, amazing, always put a smile on your face.

:11:52.:11:57.

Like mum said, it's just so empty without him. It's boring, it's dull,

:11:58.:12:05.

we just miss him. He's just one of a kind. Police say he was a very

:12:06.:12:11.

hard-working young man? Yes, very. He loved work, seven days a week.

:12:12.:12:15.

Loved the gym as well seven days a week. He was very dedicated to the

:12:16.:12:19.

gym and work. A very good boy. Very proud of him. Thank you both very

:12:20.:12:23.

much for coming in and talking to us.

:12:24.:12:33.

The Liberal Democrats are supporting a new report that calls

:12:34.:12:37.

for the legalised sale of marijuana through licensed outlets,

:12:38.:12:39.

The party says criminalising cannabis use is a waste of police

:12:40.:12:45.

time and increases health risks by leaving many people in the dark

:12:46.:12:47.

The Conservatives rejected Lib Dem calls to review drug laws

:12:48.:12:53.

The leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron, is at Westminster

:12:54.:12:58.

and in Stockton-on-Tees is Tina Williams.

:12:59.:12:59.

Tina saw for herself the effects of her children using cannabis.

:13:00.:13:06.

Thank you very much for joining us. Tim Farron, why do you think it

:13:07.:13:12.

should be legalised? The problem is that cannabis is at the moment

:13:13.:13:15.

unregulated. The people who use it have no idea of the strength of what

:13:16.:13:20.

they are using, and the stronger strains are I think proven to have

:13:21.:13:27.

caused all sorts of problems, psychosis, emotional behaviour

:13:28.:13:29.

disorders and other serious health problems. You also realise there are

:13:30.:13:34.

billions of pounds every year going into the pockets of criminals, of

:13:35.:13:38.

dealers, at the same time you have got the police spending time chasing

:13:39.:13:43.

relatively low use and low risk users and, I guess the onus on the

:13:44.:13:46.

government is to come up with reasons why we keep the status quo,

:13:47.:13:52.

the status quo helps criminals, it makes people who're users, puts them

:13:53.:13:59.

at huge risk of the more dangerous strains and causes massive health

:14:00.:14:02.

problems. So we took the view, we need to look at this in an

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evidence-based way, not to decide beforehand what our view was, but to

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look at the evidence, to criminologists, police officers,

:14:12.:14:14.

medics, academics, who could look at the evidence and see if there is a

:14:15.:14:17.

way forward and we can make this problem less bad. These are our

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proposals and we hope people will now take them forward. Tina, what do

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you think? I think it's the wrong idea to actually legalise and

:14:28.:14:32.

licence this so that you can raise revenue. Even the weaker strains

:14:33.:14:37.

cause psychosis. I was around in the '60s and we saw it then with the

:14:38.:14:42.

weaker strains. For me, what we see now is a lot of young people,

:14:43.:14:48.

whether you legalise or don't, there'll still be a black market

:14:49.:14:52.

because people want the stronger strains. The arrests for people

:14:53.:14:57.

who're drug-driving is gone up 800%. What are you going to do, say we can

:14:58.:15:03.

have it in one sense and not police the driving in another sense? Living

:15:04.:15:07.

with some of these kids that we see in our service, we deal with

:15:08.:15:13.

families in addiction, we see their behaviour, they become demotivated,

:15:14.:15:17.

they don't want to work, the college suffers and the tempers flare up at

:15:18.:15:20.

home, so much so that the families break apart. Now, whether it's

:15:21.:15:26.

legalised or not, these are the effects of the resin and the skunk.

:15:27.:15:33.

There's no differences in it really. Some people it causes psychosis,

:15:34.:15:37.

some get away with smoking it and it doesn't, but for me to legalise it

:15:38.:15:41.

sends the wrong message the people that it's OK to do this.

:15:42.:15:45.

Tim? My response to that is that addiction is a bad thing. I mean,

:15:46.:15:50.

let's put it bluntly, I'm a Liberal, I'm against anything that robs you

:15:51.:15:54.

of your Liberty, including addiction to substances. The most dangerous

:15:55.:15:58.

substance that've s the largest number of people in this country is

:15:59.:16:02.

alcohol. In the same way that we regulate that and it's illegal to

:16:03.:16:06.

drive under the influence of that, you should do the same with the

:16:07.:16:10.

drugs and there should be harsh penalties. The point is, working out

:16:11.:16:14.

how best the deal, because there is no perfect solution to this, how to

:16:15.:16:18.

best deal with this situation and the evidence is from around the

:16:19.:16:22.

world that if you put cannabis in a regulated market, then you can not

:16:23.:16:28.

keep people utterly safe but better protect them than they currently

:16:29.:16:33.

are. For one thing you make the mass of majority of cannabis users out of

:16:34.:16:38.

the same place where heroin, cocaine and other hard-drug users are in.

:16:39.:16:47.

The linkage,s the not me saying we should have a free-for-all or saying

:16:48.:16:51.

cannabis is good for you, it really isn't. It's me saying here's the

:16:52.:16:57.

evidence, we have got to look at it and stop pretending the current

:16:58.:17:01.

situation isn't working. I meet loads of people affected by

:17:02.:17:05.

different levels of drug addiction for themselves personally or within

:17:06.:17:08.

their family. Alcohol addiction even more. What I ask myself is, how can

:17:09.:17:12.

I make that situation even a bit better? The evidence is, if you

:17:13.:17:18.

regulate the market, treat users as people who're got a health problem

:17:19.:17:21.

rather than a criminal one, you undermine the dealers and the

:17:22.:17:24.

criminals, you give the police the ability and the tools to tackle

:17:25.:17:28.

those who 're the real criminals and you provide at least some protection

:17:29.:17:31.

for those people who use the substances.

:17:32.:17:42.

Tina? Listen - this is the beginning, you legalise cannabis,

:17:43.:17:45.

then what's next, legalise cocaine? The most dangerous drug in our

:17:46.:17:50.

society is alcohol which is fully legalised and regulated. I'm not

:17:51.:17:53.

sure if you or I if someone came up with alcohol today should decide

:17:54.:17:57.

whether we should or not put it in a legal framework. What about the

:17:58.:17:59.

question about cocaine? The evidence is not supported around

:18:00.:18:12.

harder drugs. There are a lot many places where harder drugs are

:18:13.:18:14.

legalised. My inkling is that should not. What

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Dax up is that if you provide regulated framework for cannabis

:18:23.:18:25.

then people who use it go to that place to buy yet and therefore are

:18:26.:18:29.

not being offered the hard drugs that people on the street are

:18:30.:18:33.

offered a new so if you regulate cannabis use then you prevent people

:18:34.:18:38.

moving onto heroin, cocaine and so on. The argument from people moving

:18:39.:18:44.

onto heroin, heroin is a drug that is in decline. The rise in drug use

:18:45.:18:49.

is cocaine which is widely used every week and we have seen problems

:18:50.:18:54.

in the family with that. We need to police these problems, put more

:18:55.:18:59.

money into policing the issues. We do not agree with criminalising

:19:00.:19:03.

people who take drugs. It is an addiction and we need more money in

:19:04.:19:11.

treatment. We agree. We do not criminalise people. There has been

:19:12.:19:15.

very few convictions for personal position. The police do not waste

:19:16.:19:20.

time with that. We need more police to tackle the dealers, the big

:19:21.:19:25.

problem is that we have in our society. It is wrong to say that

:19:26.:19:29.

because we cannot deal with that we are going to legalise it. To say

:19:30.:19:36.

from a defeatist point of view we cannot deal with that and we must

:19:37.:19:43.

legalise it that would be wrong. In my community at his heartbreaking

:19:44.:19:50.

the situation. We live it. Do not trivialise that. We see the

:19:51.:19:56.

families. Smashed to pieces because of kids who cannot cope. Even if it

:19:57.:20:02.

was legal and they were buying at they would still have problems

:20:03.:20:05.

because it takes their motivation away. I see it. I would take anybody

:20:06.:20:12.

to get the idea that I think drugs are a good thing. I think the

:20:13.:20:21.

opposite. I take my duty as a constituency MP phenomenally

:20:22.:20:23.

seriously and I see people in my surgeries every week when I see

:20:24.:20:27.

people on the street and I see people who themselves or family

:20:28.:20:32.

members have serious addiction problems, nine times out of ten it

:20:33.:20:36.

is alcohol, it is how best do you help these people. Thank you. No

:20:37.:20:47.

proven link with psychosis, that is debunked mess, someone says. Mental

:20:48.:20:53.

health problems where mental health is already an issue. Let us move

:20:54.:20:58.

with the times and change our approach to drugs.

:20:59.:21:07.

The hidden abuse of breast ironing where girls living in this

:21:08.:21:10.

country are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects

:21:11.:21:12.

One Tory MP tells this programme more needs to be done.

:21:13.:21:18.

The energy firm Npower confirms it is cutting 2,400 jobs in the UK

:21:19.:21:25.

after reporting an "extremely disappointing" performance in 2015,

:21:26.:21:27.

including the loss of more than 350,000 customers

:21:28.:21:29.

after problems with complaints handling and billing.

:21:30.:21:34.

Its boss said overhauling the group would be a huge task.

:21:35.:21:40.

EU leaders say they have made a breakthrough plan to ease

:21:41.:21:43.

the migrant crisis by agreeing the outlines of a deal with Turkey.

:21:44.:21:46.

The Turkish government says it will take back all illegal migrants

:21:47.:21:49.

arriving on the Greek islands as long as the EU accepts

:21:50.:21:51.

an equivalent number of Syrians from camps in Turkey.

:21:52.:21:56.

Two leading sponsors have already moved to distance themselves

:21:57.:21:58.

from the tennis champion Maria Sharapova after she last night

:21:59.:22:00.

The sportswear giant Nike says it's suspending its relationship

:22:01.:22:07.

with the star while the Swiss watch brand Tag Heuer says it

:22:08.:22:10.

won't continue talks to renew her contract.

:22:11.:22:18.

The Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has told MPs that British

:22:19.:22:25.

membership of the EU has increased the dynamism of the UK economy and

:22:26.:22:30.

helped it to grow, the first time he has expressed a view on the EU in or

:22:31.:22:33.

out debate. Boris Johnson says a memo

:22:34.:22:35.

instructing his senior staff to back him over the EU referendum

:22:36.:22:37.

or keep quiet has been withdrawn The London mayor, who wants to leave

:22:38.:22:40.

the EU, said the email was "a cock-up" and that his staff

:22:41.:22:45.

were not being silenced. The world's highest earning

:22:46.:23:04.

sportswomen Maria Sharapova has felt a drugs test. She tested positive

:23:05.:23:11.

during last month's Australian Open. The substances got to improve

:23:12.:23:17.

endurance and recovery. If a chimera has felt to come to an agreement

:23:18.:23:23.

with Chelsea. The parties will proceed to a full tribunal in June

:23:24.:23:28.

but it is possible for a settlement to be reached before then. Double

:23:29.:23:34.

Olympic cycling champion, who started horse racing last year, will

:23:35.:23:40.

be riding at the Cheltenham festival last week. She won her first race as

:23:41.:23:44.

an amateur last week and will partner the same horrors. -- horse.

:23:45.:23:54.

There is more throughout the day on the BBC News Channel. Mark Carney

:23:55.:24:00.

has given his strongest hint yet that he supports Britain remaining

:24:01.:24:05.

in the European Union. Our political editor can tell us what he has been

:24:06.:24:11.

saying. A surprising morning because all of us watching the governor of

:24:12.:24:15.

the Bank of England thought it would be cautious, careful, on the one

:24:16.:24:19.

hand, on the other hand, far from it. Mark Carney has said he thinks

:24:20.:24:25.

we are better off economically in the EU. In a letter to MPs on the

:24:26.:24:30.

committee he said we conclude that EU membership as likely increase the

:24:31.:24:36.

dynamism of the UK economy and its ability to grow without generating

:24:37.:24:40.

risks to the bank's primary objectives. That is about as clear a

:24:41.:24:44.

signal as you can get that Mark Carney thinks we are by and large

:24:45.:24:50.

better off remaining inside the EU. Not surprisingly it has infuriated

:24:51.:24:54.

many of those campaigning to get out of the EU on the Tory and Labour

:24:55.:25:00.

side. A Labour MP said he was overstating the case for Britain's

:25:01.:25:06.

membership. A Tory said he was damaging the reputation of the Bank

:25:07.:25:08.

of England and demeaning his reputation. Why did he say this? Is

:25:09.:25:15.

argument seems to be because of access to the single market. He

:25:16.:25:21.

regards that has a massive boost to the sort of trade Britain can do. He

:25:22.:25:25.

says we can get more foreign companies investing in Britain than

:25:26.:25:30.

any other country in the EU because we are part of the EU. He said he

:25:31.:25:34.

had been told by the bosses of some big banks that the reason they have

:25:35.:25:38.

their headquarters in London is because we are part of the EU. I

:25:39.:25:45.

have no doubt that Number 10 and those who want us to remain in the

:25:46.:25:51.

EU will be doing a dance of joy this morning. Mark Carney got a kicking

:25:52.:25:55.

in the committee from those MPs want to leave were not happy about what

:25:56.:26:02.

he said. This was his reply. The language we have used in the report,

:26:03.:26:06.

the language we use in the letter, is careful. It is not conclusive. It

:26:07.:26:17.

is arguable. These are these long pauses between each word. It matters

:26:18.:26:27.

because the governor is the governor and people tend to listen to what he

:26:28.:26:34.

says. This referendum is a battle of credibility. How do you trust? How

:26:35.:26:38.

do you believe? In that class Mark Carney is the sort of person you

:26:39.:26:46.

want on your side. The remains side are probably thinking yes, that as a

:26:47.:26:51.

result. A new phrase has entered the lexicon, an ex-edict.

:26:52.:27:00.

The borders story this morning is this. Or this work up to accusations

:27:01.:27:09.

of hypocrisy following the disclosure that his chief of staff

:27:10.:27:13.

had said an email to senior staff at City Hall barring them from

:27:14.:27:19.

contradicting Boris Johnson's support for leaving be you. This is

:27:20.:27:27.

what the email actually said. I would

:27:28.:27:27.

expect, given your roles, you either advocate the mere's position

:27:28.:27:32.

or do not openly contradicted. -- mayor's. That

:27:33.:27:40.

prompted accusations of hypocrisy because he led the charge against

:27:41.:27:45.

the so-called agents of project failure. The boss of the British

:27:46.:27:52.

Chambers of Commerce broke out in favour of Brexit.

:27:53.:27:57.

8:30am this morning and suddenly Boris executed what can only be

:27:58.:28:03.

described as a crunching U-turn. This is what he said. You can tell

:28:04.:28:12.

they are not gagged because there might have been producing all sorts

:28:13.:28:17.

of use completely different to my own. That is what people would

:28:18.:28:19.

expect. Why did your G. I saw that it ceased to be operative

:28:20.:28:30.

and it has not really been operative at all. You have seen all sorts of

:28:31.:28:44.

views. Insofar as that was ever operative, it is over, dead, this

:28:45.:28:48.

indeed, it is an ex-edict. It has ceased to be

:28:49.:28:56.

operative and ceased to function. It has gone

:28:57.:28:57.

from history. All right? We wanted a robust debate in which everybody can

:28:58.:29:07.

express their point of view. That is what the people want and that is

:29:08.:29:16.

what they are going to get. I would point out there is a stark contrast

:29:17.:29:17.

in our know if you saw the Monty Python

:29:18.:29:37.

sketch, the dead parrot sketch, when he goes on about it being a dead

:29:38.:29:41.

parrot. I think that is what he was alluding to. Fun and games, but it

:29:42.:29:50.

matters. Talking about Mark Carney and credibility. So much of this

:29:51.:29:54.

tussle will come down to who we think are the credible figures. Who

:29:55.:30:00.

do voters look to in terms of trust? The danger for Boris Johnson is that

:30:01.:30:04.

maybe people think he is great fun but am I sure he is on the detail?

:30:05.:30:13.

This followed what people thought was a difficult interview people

:30:14.:30:16.

thought he had at the weekend with Andrew Marr when there were lots of

:30:17.:30:20.

bold statements but when you got down to the nitty-gritty there was

:30:21.:30:24.

criticism of Boris Johnson for perhaps not being as much in control

:30:25.:30:29.

of the details. That is why these two stories matter because for all

:30:30.:30:34.

of the arguments we get at the end of the day when people have to

:30:35.:30:39.

decide yes or no it may come down to that very basic thing of who do I

:30:40.:30:46.

trust? He knows how to perform a U-turn in style.

:30:47.:30:52.

It's a painful form of mutilation where young girls, as young as 10,

:30:53.:30:55.

are forced to have their chests burnt with hot objects to destroy

:30:56.:30:58.

breast development and prevent unwanted male attention.

:30:59.:31:01.

It's known as breast ironing and is practised in parts of west

:31:02.:31:04.

Now one Conservative MP tells us more needs to be done in the UK

:31:05.:31:08.

to prevent what is described as the "hidden abuse".

:31:09.:31:10.

There have been no prosecutions for breast ironing in the UK,

:31:11.:31:14.

but campaigners believe this is because it is a secret abuse

:31:15.:31:16.

in which young women are too scared to speak out.

:31:17.:31:19.

Stella endured breast ironing every day for 3 months whilst she was 13

:31:20.:31:23.

and living in Cameroon in West Africa:

:31:24.:31:26.

They took a spatula and put it in a fryer and pressed it and pressed it

:31:27.:31:31.

and they kept on doing it until the breasts finally went.

:31:32.:31:35.

Of course it hurts, it's hot, it's hot.

:31:36.:31:44.

It feels like if you put something hot

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It takes away your confidence, your self-esteem, you cannot

:31:47.:31:52.

take your dress off in front of people.

:31:53.:31:54.

It really affects you psychologically.

:31:55.:31:57.

Conservative MP Jake Berry is calling for police forces

:31:58.:32:03.

and government departments to do more to recognise breast ironing

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And Margaret Nyuydzewira from CAME Women

:32:06.:32:12.

and Girls Development Organisation - a charity that specialises in

:32:13.:32:15.

, Jake do you believe it's happening in the UK? I do. It's difficult to

:32:16.:32:26.

recognise it's happening because it's a form of abuse sometimes

:32:27.:32:32.

commitd by close members of the family, mother, sister, aunt,

:32:33.:32:37.

grandmother. The nearest thing I can compare it to is female genital

:32:38.:32:41.

mutilation which we believed wasn't happening in this country until

:32:42.:32:45.

people raised awareness of it and gained more confidence to come

:32:46.:32:48.

forward and say, I am a victim of this form of abuse and I believe

:32:49.:32:53.

breast ironing is similar. It originates in Cameroon, I believe it

:32:54.:32:57.

may be endemic within the black African community in the UK who will

:32:58.:33:01.

bring cultural practices with them and I think it's really, really

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important that, else specially on International Women's Day, that we

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speak out and say, people who are suffering in this way have to have

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the confidence to come forward, report it, it's a crime. There's a

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lot more I believe the Government should do to tackle it and raise

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awareness of it. I was particularly concerned at the figures that have

:33:22.:33:25.

been released today show that police forces in the UK either don't know

:33:26.:33:28.

this exists because they'd never heard of it and it's an unnone

:33:29.:33:31.

problem or freely admit they don't have the tools and information to

:33:32.:33:35.

tackle it if they do crop across it. Why do you believe it's happening in

:33:36.:33:41.

the UK? Is it an expectation, or have you had people talking to you?

:33:42.:33:44.

Margaret and I have been working together to try to identify it in

:33:45.:33:48.

the UK. Margaret, with her charity, has done fantastic work and spoken

:33:49.:33:52.

to victims of breast ironing here in the UK who simply won't come

:33:53.:33:56.

forward. If you look at the 2015 change in the law we made around

:33:57.:34:03.

FGM, we provided anonymity for victims to enable them to feel

:34:04.:34:07.

empowered to come forward and report the crime. We need, I think,

:34:08.:34:12.

anonymity for victims in the case of breast ironing, we also need a

:34:13.:34:17.

Government directive that goes out to the police forces, to ask them to

:34:18.:34:22.

identify it. Crucially and finally, with FGM, we made it a criminal

:34:23.:34:26.

offence for people, when they become aware of it, not to report it. I

:34:27.:34:31.

think if we could do the same with breast ironing, we'd see this is a

:34:32.:34:34.

problem happening here to young women and girls in the UK. Margaret,

:34:35.:34:41.

tell us what you understand about what is going on?

:34:42.:34:54.

We started work in 2010: We started work because we realised that the

:34:55.:35:03.

practise was ongoing. We come from the practising community, let me

:35:04.:35:06.

say, and we work with African women and girls. This is one of the

:35:07.:35:11.

violences which is among African women and girls here in the UK.

:35:12.:35:18.

Has it been happening here in the UK on a daily basis to young girls? We

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cannot say on a daily basis because no research has been carried out.

:35:26.:35:32.

Nobody has carried out any research to realise who is doing it, but we

:35:33.:35:37.

know that it's being done. How many people have you come across and what

:35:38.:35:42.

stories have you heard? Well, the first story I heard was the lady who

:35:43.:35:48.

was arrested in Birmingham, that was in 2011, for breast ironing by a

:35:49.:35:52.

policeman. She was arrested for breast ironing? For performing that

:35:53.:35:59.

on her daughter, yes. But, because the lady argued that that was her

:36:00.:36:06.

culture, they let go. I said no, it's not culture or practises which

:36:07.:36:11.

is done in secrecy on young girls at home. We cannot allow that to go on

:36:12.:36:17.

as a culture. If culture is doing harm to young girls. Any harm that

:36:18.:36:25.

is done to a little girl in this country, it's an issue and we must

:36:26.:36:29.

talk about it. It's not the numbers that we are counting. We know a list

:36:30.:36:35.

is ongoing. We cannot say it's ten people, even if it's when person...

:36:36.:36:40.

Have you heard of any other cases being reported to police where PLOs

:36:41.:36:44.

hasn't gone ahead -- prosecution? Yes, a doctor reported a case in

:36:45.:36:48.

North London and then there was a lady who was deported from here

:36:49.:36:51.

because of breast ironing. Is that the answer? That's not the answer.

:36:52.:36:58.

What do you think about that, Jake It's very hard to quantify the

:36:59.:37:04.

extent of breast ironing. But if cases are being put forward to

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police and they are not moving that forward? I think that's completely

:37:08.:37:11.

wrong because this is a criminal offence but I don't believe the law

:37:12.:37:14.

is clear and that's why I'm hoping the Government will take action in

:37:15.:37:18.

the call I make today which is to ask the Government to take further

:37:19.:37:22.

action in a similar way they did with FGM. The Government's done

:37:23.:37:26.

fantastic work with that, but ten years ago, people were probably sat

:37:27.:37:29.

on sofas like this saying FGM doesn't happen in the UK, it was

:37:30.:37:33.

completely hidden. Today, we have to release the figures. I'm working on

:37:34.:37:38.

a further report seeing what local authorities' responses are to the

:37:39.:37:43.

issues and hoping to raise the profile to empower young women and

:37:44.:37:46.

girls to feel they can come forward. This is a hidden problem. If you put

:37:47.:37:50.

yourself in a normal family situation, if your mother is doing

:37:51.:37:55.

something to you, even if you don't feel comfortable with it, you are

:37:56.:37:58.

being told it's the right thing, it's normal, your culture practise,

:37:59.:38:01.

you wouldn't necessarily believe this is something you have to report

:38:02.:38:06.

to the police. Until we raise people's awareness of this female

:38:07.:38:09.

mutilation, then no-one will feel confident enough to do that.

:38:10.:38:13.

Jake and Margaret, thank you very much.

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"The Government is serious about stopping violence

:38:19.:38:21.

against women and girls and has made it a priority.

:38:22.:38:24.

No one should live in fear of these crimes."

:38:25.:38:28.

Breaking news. The Court of Appeal says smoking ban does not apply to

:38:29.:38:39.

prisons and other places. The prison Governor's association

:38:40.:38:54.

supports the ban, but the legal ban on smoking in public places does not

:38:55.:38:58.

apply to state prisons and other crown premises in England and Wales,

:38:59.:39:01.

the Court of Appeal has ruled. We'll bring you more on that as we get it.

:39:02.:39:08.

Npower workers are facing an uncertain future

:39:09.:39:11.

morning after the company confirmed that a fifth of its UK workforce

:39:12.:39:15.

will lose their jobs, that's 2,400 people -

:39:16.:39:18.

The firm's reported a loss of almost ?100 million for last year.

:39:19.:39:22.

With me in the studio is Niall Trimble of the Energy

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Unison says the company's offices in Leeds will be closed down as part of

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this. Niall Trimble and Tom Allison from GMB are with me. Your reaction

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Tom? It's devastating news, Joanna. .

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There was a leak on Sunday which indicated huge job losses which

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affected npower employees and spoilt Mothering Sunday for people. It's a

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devastating impact. Especially in the northern area. You've mentioned

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Leeds where I am in the studio now and we have a huge employee base

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where I represent in Houghton and Peterlee as well. Niall, hello. The

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company has had problems, 350,000 customers have walked away. Is that

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what has been behind all of this? Some of it. They have had huge

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computer problems which means people have been getting the wrong bills or

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they haven't billed people at all or can't bill them because the time

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lapses. They have had problems with low power prices in particular so

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it's a combination of things. Tom, does the company only have itself to

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blame? Well, I would suggest that the problems that Niall's outlined

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would be on the management of our members so, you know, I think it's a

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higher level, maybe the culpability. If it's an issue of energy prices,

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could other energy firms find themselveses in the same

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predicament? Not so much. Quite a lot of the problems, some are

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suffering, certainly with power prices but the problems with the

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computer systems seem to be yew knee to npower. In terms of picking up,

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it's cutting 2400 jobs as it tries to get its business into better

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shake -- unique. Do you see them getting anywhere from here? They

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have to sort out the computer problems, better that than making

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people redundant. Tom, how do you see that? Devastating for people and

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they are obviously hoping the problems can be sorted out? One of

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the reasons is, we don't know the scale of the job losses and how it

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will effect us. That's the uncertainty and insecurity, it's not

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good for the employees and the members and because of the effect in

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the northern area, what we are finding, we haven't got a northern

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powerhouse with the job losses in the northern areas, they are tended

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to be regarded as the northern "poor" house.

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Time to bring you this. Adele super fans got pulled on stage by Adele in

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Dublin. She'd become aware of them because they made cover versions of

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her songs. This is what happened. You can't put it online and me being

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in Dublin not tell you to come up. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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Can you hear yourselves? Take it away.

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# That you found a girl # And you're married now

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# I heard that your dreams came true

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# Guess he gave you things

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# # I can't keep up with your turning

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tables # Under my thumb

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# I can't breathe... # Victoria is back

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