10/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Thursday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

After getting a bumper 10% pay rise last year,

MPs are about to get another increase, taking their salaries

But the Scottish National Party tells us it's calling on all its MPs

in Westminster NOT to take the increase.

The grieving parents who say they're being forced to represent themselves

at their son's inquest after being denied legal aid.

Millions of low-income households could see their power bills cut

after a watchdog report into energy companies.

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Plus later meet Daniel Rowland, a little boy who has selective

He first appeared on our programme in 2015 and will be here

with his mum at around 9:35 with an absolutely lovely update.

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First today the emotive issue of MPs' pay.

The Scottish National Party has told this programme it's calling

on all its MPs at Westminster, all 54 of them, not to take next

month's planned pay rise for members of Parliament.

It comes just 10 months after politicians were awarded

a controversial 10% pay hike and means their current salary

They need to sit down and work a week in the hospital and see

what it is like for the normal people,

before they start giving themselves pay rises,

before the people who are actually doing the hard work.

The job is such that it calls for a proper salary,

as well as it calls for reductions in pensions, as well as it calls

for getting rid of things which were completely out of touch

Our reporter James Longman has been talking to MPs

Last year's 10% pay rise was heavily criticised by a lot of big names

As we've seen, MPs had no choice but to accept the money that

But about 70 of them said they'd donate the extra money to charity.

Remember, we're still only talking about a fraction of the total number

So we've been checking with those MPs who said they'd donate last

time, to see if they'd do the same again.

Of those, 23 of them have confirmed to us that they plan on giving

That's under half the number who publicly pledged to give it

This year's 1.3% rise is just above the 1% public sector rise

so a lot of MPs feel it's a different situation to the large

pay increase they received last time.

The party to take the strongest stance seems to be the SNP.

Their Westminster leader Angus Robertson is advising his MPs

not to take the rise, as he did last time.

They say it's a matter of principle rather than money,

it's worth about ?900 this time, rather than the ?7000 last year.

But we've been speaking to SNP MPs and it's not clear that they'll

We contacted all of the 54 MPs and only 4 confirmed to us

Lib Dem and SNP leaders both say they'll donate it,

while after repeated requests for comment Labour leader

Jeremy Corbyn hasn't confirmed either way.

We tried to get in touch with Jeremy Corbyn, his office didn't get back

to us. David Cameron was quite clear last time that he thought that it

was what MPs were owed so he took the 10% and he'll be doing the same

this time around. His position on MPs' pay has meant that the large

majority of MPs have decided to take the both pay rises. What do MPs do

with the money if they want to give it away, what have they done? There

is a host of different things. A lot create funds in constituencies, so

they can ask their constituents to bid for money in this fund, some put

together little funds for university applicants, young people who want to

get into higher education. Others put together community projects,

there is a community cafe and there is a Centre for Vulnerable young

women. So many of the MPs who are going to be donating this money are

so let stone talk about it publicly because they worry about the

backlash from other MPs they make look bad essentially. Yes. One said,

I'm donating it but I don't want to talk about it because it's toxic,

poisonous. What do they say about the ?75,000 a year, do they say they

are worth it? There is an argument to say if you want the best people

to get into Parliament, you have got to pay them to get there. The

?75,000 is well above the national average, but will people be

attracted to that to go into Parliament, otherwise you will end

up with independently wealthy people going into Parliament. This is base

salary for an MP so you could go into Parliament on this amount of

money and get another job, working as a Parliamentary private secretary

for a more senior MP, you could work as a minister in Government, you

could work in Cabinet, all of these different positions then hike your

pay. The chair of Government Select Committees review Government policy,

they are paid ?15,000 each and IPSA said they are consulting on whether

to increase that pay. These debates around MPs' pay are going to go on

and on, but it's very toxic for MPs themselves. Thank you very much.

Let's talk now to Clive Lewis, Labour MP for Norwich South,

who donated his 2015 pay rise but will not be doing so this year.

Good morning, tell us why not? I donated more than ?20,000 of the

initial big pay rise to local charities in Norwich through

JustGiving. I did that off my own back. I understand every different

MP is in a different situation financially. It's a choice we can

make ourselves now that it's been taken out of our control and given

over to IPSA, I thought it was the right thing to do. On the 1.3%, I

think I gave away the big pay rise, I'm happy to take the 1.3, I wish it

was 1% in the sense that it would be in line with public sector

employees, I'm told when you take into account variations, it works

out about the same. What do you mean variations, 1.3 is above 1%? When

you take into account bonuses and so on, that public sector employees

could be paid, it could be around 1% in the end. 1% is a headline, 1% is

a better pay rise, in line with what everyone else is getting. This is

the key thing. Perception is so important when it comes to what MPs

are paid. But for my point of view, I don't make any judgments about MP

who is take it, I don't know about their financial circumstances,

children, commitments. I know what I need to live on. The original pay

when I was on, the mid ?65,000s, was more than I've ever earned in my

life is to take on 10% on top of that, I could personally take the

hit. There'll be people out there at home who say I'm on ?15,000,

?20,000, I'm not see ago pay rise, I work in the public sector, real will

hi hard. I've left my tablet over there, but no-one is supporting this

1.3% pay rise? No. I completely understand that. I understand the

anger with the 10% pay rise and the 1.3% pay rise. That was factored

into my decision not to take the ?7,000 a year pay rise, I understand

that. I was on the picket line yesterday with junior doctors, you

know, they are seeing a real terms pay cut in their terms and

conditions. Even more reason for you to donate the 1.3% perhaps. Well who

here would say junior doctors don't deserve to be well paid for what

they do on a daily basis. The reason people become so angry is, it's

politicians in many ways that have made the political decisions and the

economic decisions which mean why so many people are in the situation

they are in. People on Facebook, Pete says it's sickening, one rule

for them and another for us. I get it. You say you get it. I do. That

is one of the main reasons I gave my ?7,000 pay rise last year away

because I do get it. I get the anger that's out there. There is a

morality to it. There is a bigger issue here about how we value what

people do. If you think about the pay scales at the moment and look at

what the top people in financial institutions, bankers and some

public sector organisations, the Chief Executives, at what they're

paid, then you look at what some of the people at the other end of the

spectrum are paid, binmen, doctors, teachers, nurses, who's east to say

the banker who may make lots of money for the economy, who also has

hundreds of thousands in bonuses, are they worth that much more than a

nurse, teacher, doctor, that's a question that we have to ask

ourselves and how we value people. Christine says, donate the pay rise

to the junior doctor? I've given the vast majority of the ?7,000 away,

I'm taking the 1.3% that,'s where I am. OK. Can I ask you about

something else, the decision by Labour to expel a man called Jerry

Downing from your party. He was welcomed back into the Labour Party

last year. The Prime Minister quoted yesterday him saying on a blog that

the 9/11 hijackers must never be condemned. Mr Downing said he had

been quoted out of context is. Expelling him the right decision?

It's a decision that's been made and I don't know the full the tails, I

only know what I've read in the media. I've read things in the media

about people which I don't know whether they are true or not. If

it's been looked into and the comments are correct, yes, the guy

shouldn't be in the Labour Party. Why do you think Jeremy Corbyn

didn't condemn his comments yesterday? First of all, David

Cameron wants to make a political scene and I think Jeremy Corbyn was

there to ask the Prime Minister questions, he shouldn't be asking

Jeremy Corbyn questions. It's not difficult to condemn somebody who

says the 9/11 hijackers must never be condemned? Jeremy Corbyn was

asking David Cameron serious questions about the state of our

economy, about the state of the public sector. This is serious

enough for Labour to expel him? It is serious and he's been expelled

but this isn't about any questions or Labour internal politics, it's

Prime Minister's Questions that I think it's quite clear, Prime

Minister's Questions, that's what it's about. David Cameron is a

master of turning things around. If you respond to that, that's time you

don't have to question David Cameron to question the Prime Minister. I

think look, the decision has been made, this guy has been making

stupid, offensive and silly comments and it's quite clear it's been

decided there is no place for him in the Labour Party and I agree with

him. Thank you very much Clive Lewis. Still to come, are you paying

too much for your gas and electricity? I can't imagine there

are people around the country saying, no, not at all. Also coming

up, a little boy with selective mutism or a phobia of talking. We

met him on the programme last year. He's back with his mum to let us

know how he's getting on. New plans are unveiled to help

households get better value for the money they pay for energy -

and that includes capping charges The Competition and Markets

Authority wants to boost protection for poorer people -

and make sure people are encouraged to switch gas

and electricity providers. There as in really good deals

out there for all of us but there are about two

thirds of us who don't We sit on the default tariff

which is about 25-30% more than it Our solution to this is going to be

to make it easier for people to switch, better informed,

cheaper, much less hassle and we firmly believe

that we are well on the way It's the second day of the junior

doctors' strike and now NHS England is warning that things are getting

more difficult in hospitals. But it insists plans are in place

to ensure they can cope. The doctors' union is apologising

but claims the walk-out, which ends tomorrow

morning, is necessary. More strong words in Government

ranks over the EU referendum campaign this morning.

David Cameron will today accuse those campaigning to leave the EU

of regarding the loss of people's jobs and businesses that

could follow as "a price worth paying."

They have hit back, saying his remarks are unworthy of a Prime

Minister. The number of rhinos killed

by poachers in Africa has increased Figures compiled for

the International Union for Conservation of Nature show that

more than 1300 were poached It describes the losses

as 'alarming'. Here's some sport now

with Olly Foster. Chelsea out of the Champions League

for the second year running and unlikely to win the Premier League

title? They were knocked out of the

Champions League last night by Paris St Germain, they lost 2-1 at

Stamford Bridge, 4-2 on aggregate. They are still in the FA Cup, every

chance they could win that, but they are ten points off the top four in

the Premier League so every chance they will not be in next season's

Champions League, which would be the first time in 14 years, the first

time in the Roman Abramovich Iraq. The Europa League, often considered

the poor relation to the Champions League, has considered some of its

kudos over the last few years. Spurs are playing the favourites, Borussia

Dortmund, in Germany, which should be a good match. But the two most

decorated clubs in the history of English football, Liverpool and

Manchester United, meeting in Europe for the first time. England's women

are heading home from the US, they had a difficult time of it in the

She Believes cup. They lost their first two matches, a draw made sure

they didn't finish bottom one they played France. We will hear from our

reporter at that game in Florida. Also we anticipate the England rugby

team announcement at 10am for their very, very important match against

Wales at Twickenham in the six Nations on Saturday. That is after

10am, we will see you then. Next an update on a story we brought

you last year involving a little boy called Daniel Rowland

who has selective mutism, It's an anxiety disorder that

prevents children and adults speaking in certain social

situations, like in lessons Yet often they are able to speak

freely to close family and friends Here's Daniel and his mum

Fran Rowland, who also had this condition when she was a child

but overcame it, talking to us Daniel Rowland is six years

old and living with SM. It is a condition his mum also had

when she was a child. Daniel, do you ever

find it hard to talk? Do you ever feel scared

when you have to talk? Do you think one day you will be

able to talk all the time? Do you want to be able

to talk all the time? When I picked Daniel

up from school today, he was talking to me

about his day and what he did. And what he enjoys

about school and things. He can't talk to teachers,

and in groups of people Although he will talk to more

children than I ever used to. When I was little I could

never speak to anybody. I didn't know why then

but I still don't know why. Whenever someone spoke to me,

I wanted to speak It just wouldn't work,

it just didn't happen. And teachers did not know,

they thought I was shy, and then when I wouldn't speak

I used to get in trouble. And sent out of class

because I would not give them Daniel got off of the swing

because the little girl And he was worried about her

hearing him talking. I knew Daniel was like me

when he was a baby. He used to be chatting away

in the buggy to me and somebody he didn't know would come

over and say, "Hello!" to the baby and he would,

his face would just go And he would look down

and he would not make eye contact and it didn't matter if they tickled

him or try to make him laugh, he would just keep that set

expression the whole time. I can understand him more

than anyone else can. And he also knows that

I was like him, because I have told him before that you will be

able to talk one day because Mummy Some people who don't understand

what SM is may think he is doing it because he's being stubborn,

or he doing it for attention. If Daniel could talk it would be

the thing that he would want to do He can't control it and if he could

he wouldn't be doing this, because he just wants to be

like everybody else. Daniel has been going to dance

for about a year now When he first went he was terrified,

he didn't want to go in. And when I picked him up after that

first dance class he had absolutely And now he dances in front of

people, whereas before he wouldn't. Anything you like,

babes, off you go. When I first met Daniel,

there felt like there was, when you sort of feel something

for somebody, straight away. And his mum, when she came in,

she was a bit worried I think about him not speaking

and stuff like that. But he was fine, and

because it is dance, I think from the first moment

he came here it was like I think he sort of found a place

where he can be himself. And I think it is, I am really,

really pleased that he has found us. In the beginning of Where The Wild

Things Are, Max was really, # Row, row row your boat,

gently down the stream, # If you see a beast,

don't forget to scream # Aaah!

Aaah! Daniel and Fran Rowland are here now

to share the news that Daniel has Good morning. Good morning. How are

you? Good. Tell me what happened in September when you were at school

and the teacher was doing the register? I said good morning and he

was amazed. How did you feel? Happy. Was it the first time you have ever

spoken in your classroom? Yes. Goodness me, well done. What did job

friends think, what did they say? Nothing. Just carried on as normal?

They were expecting it perhaps. Is it true you were in the school

nativity play? Yes. What did you have to say in that? I forgot. Well

done. Fran, Daniel, as far as you are concerned, has overcome his

selective mutism? Yes, he has, he is a different child. And the idea that

he, either last summer, would come into a TV studio where there are

cameras, we don't know each other, and he would talk on national

television... That wouldn't have happened. I didn't think this day

would come, to be honest. What has it been like for you? At first, I

was worried that he would go back, that the next day he would not talk,

and as time went on I realised it seems to be getting better and

better, and it felt like a miracle, almost, for something that would

never happen, and it read. Did you know that Daniel wanted to speak

when the teacher was calling the register? I did, the first week back

in September he was making indications that he was going to

answer the register, and it took about a week to be able to do it. He

kept saying he was going to do it, then he would come home and say, I

couldn't, and I would say, don't worry, another day, and then one day

he came home and said, I did it. What has changed, do you think? I

think it was a lot of his confidence building, and the fact that he knew

all along that I had overcome selective mutism, so he knew he

could do it as well. So you have reinforced to Daniel a lot, that you

had the same thing when you were little and look at you now, that

sort of thing? I kept saying, you will speak one day, in your own

time, don't worry about it. It will happen, look, mummy can talk now,

mummy didn't used to talk, so he always believed it could happen.

What was it like, obviously we saw the film from last year, but since

he was a little boy, growing up, what has it been like for Daniel,

for you, for your family, with the fact that Daniel wouldn't speak in

front of others? It was very hard for him, he didn't enjoy school, he

is a very bright little boy but couldn't answer any of the

questions, so all day in his head he had the answers and wasn't able to

say anything, so it was quite frustrating for him, and he would

come home and be quite frustrated and upset, he didn't enjoy school,

so... We know that one in 150 children have selective mutism. If

medical professionals talk to you about why you had it as a child, why

is your son had it... I'm not sure, to be honest. When I was a child it

wasn't heard of, and it took a while for Daniel's to be recognised as

selective mutism. Is very experienced teacher came to cover

his class one day and said to me, are you aware Daniel has got

selective mutism? That was the first time I heard the word, and it is

when we linked it back to my childhood and what was wrong with me

as well. Do you think there is any link between you having it and your

son having it? Yes. Do you? Yes, my mother has it as well. OK, so why

would it have been passed down? As far as I know it is not a genetic

thing? From what I have read, they are starting to think it could be

genetic, but definitely my mother had it, I had it, and Daniel was the

most extreme one out of the family so far. I know you took Daniel to

speech therapy between the ages of five and six, how much did that

help? It was in school, the school organised it. It did help because he

learned to trust one adult, and amazing teaching assistant, and he

learned to trust her, and he, over the course of the year, learn to

speak to her, first with me there, then without me there, and he

became, he really trusted her, and I think that helped, because he had

somebody to trust in school. It is important to point out to people

watching with the appropriate environment and handling through

adults most children do overcome selective mutism, don't they? And

the treatment doesn't focus on the speaking itself, it is about

reducing the anxiety around the child. Would you say Daniel is on

the way to recovering from his selective mutism or has he done

that, has he achieved it? I think he has achieved it. People see the real

Daniel, he is doing what he wants to do, and I would say he has overcome

it. What advice would you give to parents who may have a child with

selective mutism? I would say that it is really, really hard to see the

light at the end of the tunnel, almost, and never give up hope,

because there are days when you think this is never going to end, my

Child is going to have this their whole life and I will have to keep

battling. But it can end, there is hope, because my son is talking.

Daniel, is it true you got told off at school -- at school for being too

chatty, talking in lessons? Did you? I bet you were thrilled by that?! I

was, I was really happy! It was actually funny! Can I ask you what

you would like to be when you grow up, Daniel? And actor. Would you? Is

that because you were in the nativity play at Christmas? I think

you have signed him up to an acting agency, is that right? Yes, we have,

because he wanted to do it, and he auditioned and stood in front of a

load of people and did his audition, and he's very confident, he is not

shy at all, not shy, and he is able to talk. So, yes, he did fantastic.

I think at first a lot of people think if a child isn't speaking it

is because they are shy, and that will be the case with most children,

but I suppose you might suggest it is important to look further in case

it is something else? Yes, he was never shy. I know that sounds... He

wasn't a shy child, he would be happy to do things in front of

people, whereas his brother is shy and he is typically shy, whereas

Daniel it was just speaking, it was something completely different.

Thank you for pointing that out. Daniel, well done, you. Thank you

for coming on our programme. Will you come again? Yes! Thank you.

Fran, thank you so much. Oh, I have some e-mails. Can I just

read them to you. Bear with me while we get them one second. Sorry, my

gosh it's taking forever. Rubbish Wi-Fi in this basement. Maria on

Twitter says Daniel is a lovely boy, wishing him well in his future and

hope he keeps dancing as he looks like an excellent dancer. Are you

still dancing? What fantastic progress on national TV helping us

understand more about selective mutism another texter says. On

Twitter ARC says, Daniel is an inspirational little boy. This

e-mail from somebody who hasn't left their name, what a hero overcoming

something almost unheard of, a shining example of patient and

loving parenting. Robin tweets, so interesting to hear

Daniel's story and what an amazing dancer he is. Plus so brave to talk

on national television. Thank you so much.

They all love you! Quite right too. Coming up: The grieving parents

who say they're being forced to represent themselves

at their son's inquest Smartphones and tablets are

everywhere. BBC News and Five Live have challenged more than a thousand

students to turn off their technology for a week. That weekend

is today. Pupils and staff at Tarporley High School in Cheshire

have given up their computers. Here are easiy and Tom who tell us how

they are getting on. I'm taking part in the detox and for a whole week we

are not allowed Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, so no social

media at all, no YouTube and no games. Hello, Tom here. Day one of

my digital detox. Going good-ish. Really? Um, I watched a bit of TV, I

haven't watched any YouTube because I can't obviously. It's going well.

I'm feeling normal really, there's not much difference, although I'm a

bit annoyed that I can't watch YouTube. I'm getting a bit stressed

about it. Hi, easiy again, update on my digital detox. I've got my badge

still and it's day two, I've been social media free for well over 24

hours. I find I'm reaching a lot more than I should for my phone. I'm

glad I logged out of everything. Apprehensive about the weekend

because I have a lot of spare time, I usually fill that with my time.

Day two of my digital detox. It's hard not to pick up your phone and

check notifications really and YouTube because I sort of get

comfort from watching YouTube and I haven't really had that there but

it's given me time to work on my guitar skills. A I'm on day three of

the digital detox, it's Friday, I've done quite well so far. I'm

definitely missing it a lot, but I've found I'm coping pretty well.

I've been doing a bit more reading, I've been doing a bit more spending

time with my family. I'm talking quietly, everyone else is in bed.

It's day three. Today's been quite difficult. Honestly, it's been the

most difficult because it's Friday and normally on Friday I just chill

out, relax, watch YouTube, but I haven't been able to do that. I

managed to survive. I've been downstairs with my family talking to

them. God knows how. Day five so it's Sunday night. I've had a busy

weekend so I've not found it as difficult as I thought I might so

that's good. Although, having said that, it was definitely a lot easier

when I was in school because I know a lot of the people from my

friendship group were also doing the challenge and it was a bit of

feeling almost competitive like not wanting to be the first person to

give in. Day four. Saturday. It's been the

most difficult day because it's the weekend and normally at the weekend

I just watch YouTube, but... I have kept myself entertained. Day five of

my digital detox. It's so difficult. I'm still in it, I haven't given up

but it's incredibly difficult. I've got nothing to do. I'm bored.

Yesterday I went to do stuff with my friend and today I've been to town,

but it's quite difficult not to like check because I like looking at

clothes and stuff online but I can't and it's frustrating. But... That's

the weekend done, that's the most difficult part.

You can see more on the website at www.bbc.co.uk/schoolreport. Thank

you for all your comments on the MPs' pay rise which is coming soon.

1.3% MPs will receive this year. Recommended by the independent

Parliamentary standards authority. It's been taken out of the hands of

MPs, they don't vote on their own pay rise any more. It's been taken

out of their hands. IPSA decides now. This e-mail is from somebody

who says, they are married to a Member of Parliament. I would like

to remain anonymous as my husband is an MP. He's one of the few MPs who

doesn't have a second job. He's not independently wealthy, nor has he

any other source of income. He just does his duty as an MP to

the best of his ability. This takes him away from home, involve Miss

Hours of travelling. He's away some weekends. He deserves the pay. He

gives a considerable amount to charity both in time and in monthly

one-off donations. He's extremely kind to others. This texter says,

the politicians will be making a great gesture if they gave their pay

rise to a low-income family in their own constituency. It would change

someone's life and maybe give some children a great holiday. Reelian

none says it's riddic ploughs, half the country are struggling. Another

person says, frontline public sector staff have had nothing for years,

thank you be justified. Another e-mail says, they should be on a

basic salary of ?25,000 a year then if they perform well, they should

get bonuses. Neil says, we need to pay MPs sufficiently. ?75,000 a year

is appropriate in the wider landscape. A texter says, I work in

the police, it sickens me to see MPs getting this pay rise when we put

our lives on the line every day. Lesley says, I'm fed up with people

who have this mean attitude to MPs, especially towards their salary. Be

realistic, with the rise, it still won't be comparable to that of the

same level in other organisations. The majority work very hard and make

personal and career sacrifices. We should be ashamed of our sting

edginess. A texter says, MPs are not paid enough, how can the man running

the country be paid less than people run ago lower league football club

Jackie says, compared to many senior officers in medium sized PLCs,

?75,000 is not a huge salary. The base salary should be seriously

reviewed. Thank you for those. Keep them

coming in. I know you will without me even inviting you to. Do get in

touch in the usual ways. Next Syria, the ongoing conflict

there's meant there are 4. #6 million refugees and 13.5 million

people in need of humanitarian assistance inside Syria.

Must FA is one of them. He's five years of age, partially paralysed

and an orphan after a barrel bomb hit his home -- Musstafa. His

determination to learn to walk again has amazed doctors at the Medecins

Sans Frontieres centre in Jordan. Here is his story.

And in the first time he couldn't even stand up.

I had to hold him like you hold a small baby.

When you keep just talking about him.

When he was walking in the corridor and just came to me and hugged me

If you use a pre-payment meter to get your gas and electricity

and there are 4 million low-income households that do;

We are awaiting the report. There is another report in the summer.

Details in the next half hour. In the meantime, here is Carol with the

weather. We have seen a lot of different

weather. A weather-watcher sent in this one, mist in Perth and Kinross,

but equally beautiful blue skies. Beautiful blue skies in Somerset. In

Northern Ireland, look at that sun rise, how spectacular is that? For

many, it's been fine, dry, however, there is a bit of cloud around this

morning and that cloud has been producing some rain. The rain isn't

particularly heavy but it has been coming in courtesy of this weather

front which is weakening all the time. Rain particularly across parts

of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. There is a lot of drizzle coming out of

this cloud and it extends all the way through southern Scotland,

through the heart of England and towards the Channel Islands. That's

where we are likely to see spots of rain. Brighter skies in East Anglia

and Kent. Out towards the west, particularly in areas adjacent to

the Irish Sea, we are also looking at sunshine. This morning, we hang

on to some of the cloud and into the afternoon, we have the odd spot.

Nice day for East Anglia, Essex and Kent. As we pick up the cloud again

from the Midlands to Hampshire, we are prone to the odd spot of rain.

Most of us will miss that. Lovely day in prospect in south-west

England towards Somerset, as we saw if an earlier picture, and a similar

story across Wales. A bit more cloud at times will develop across east

Wales. For Northern Ireland, the opposite is true, the cloud is going

to come in from the west and the same too for western Scotland. For

the rest of Scotland, dry and bright with sunshine. The thicker cloud in

the east might produce the odd spot of rain but you will be unlucky if

it does. Through the evening, we see showers arrive before the main band

of rain comes in. This is the weather front accompanied by breezy

conditions. There'll be a touch of frost. It will be cold enough for

that and we are looking at patchy fog as well. That fog won't lift

until 9 or 10 tomorrow morning, then it should clear. Tomorrow, as a

result for England and Wales, once again lovely blue skies, variable

amounts of cloud. It will be bright, rather than sunny at times. Same

around the Moray Firth. The north-west parts of England, we

should see some sunshine. The weather front will still produce

some rain in Scotland, noticeably across Northern Ireland too. As we

head on into the weekend, we continue with a lot of settled

weather. Again, lots of dry weather in England and Wales, but still at

times there'll be some wet and windy weather across the far north.

Temperatures continuing to rise. . Hello, I'm Victoria

Derbyshire, good morning. Seven-year-old Zane was poisoned

by fumes during flooding at his home, but his parents

and the authorities disagree Now his parents say they're

being forced to represent themselves at his inquest after

being denied legal aid - We've been hearing from a little boy

with selective mutism whose story we've been following

on this programme. Daniel, who has started

to overcome his phobia, told me how it felt to speak

in class for the first time. He looked amazed after I said it.

How did you feel? Happy. You can see the full interview

on our programme page And we'll have the latest

on Madonna's bitter dispute with ex-husband Guy Ritchie over

where their son Rocco should live. Four million households with pre-pay

gas and electricity meters should get a cap on how much they're

charged - that's the call Its unveiled plans to help

households get better value for the money they pay for energy,

including boosting protection There are some really good deals

out there for all of us but about two-thirds

of us don't take them. We sit on the default tariff

which is about 25-30% more than it Our solution to this is going to be

to make it easier for people to switch, better informed,

cheaper, much less hassle and we firmly believe

that we are well on the way There has been a sharp rise in

emergency admissions with NHS England reporting demands on

services. January saw calls to NHS 111 rise by almost a fifth. Figures

show delays in accident and emergency unit in England have also

reached record levels with 89% of patients dealt with within four

hours. It's the second day of the junior

doctors' strike and now NHS England is warning that things are getting

more difficult in hospitals. But it insists plans are in place

to ensure they can cope. The doctors' union is apologising,

but claims the walk-out, that ends tomorrow

morning, is necessary. More scrapping within Government

ranks over the EU referendum campaign this morning -

David Cameron is accusing leave campaigners of thinking the loss

of jobs and business But they've hit back,

saying the remarks are unworthy The suffering and loss of rhino

populations in Africa to poachers More than 1300 rhinos were poached

for their horns last year. The International Union

for Conservation says it's the sixth year in a row there's

been an increase. It describes the losses

as 'alarming'. Children across the UK

are being invited to pick up their pens and notepads

for the BBC News School Report Day. It's the 10th year that pupils have

been making their own reports on issues that are affecting them,

and this time some of the school reporters have been looking

at the daily impact of social media. Chelsea have been knocked out

of the Champions League. They trailed 2-1 after the first leg

of their match against Paris St Germain and lost

by the same scoreline The French took the lead early

on but the Chelsea striker Diego Costa, who had been branded

a fraud by PSG in the build-up to the match, crafted

a terrific equaliser. Hope was extinguished midway

through the second half as Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored

the winner on the night for a 4-2 aggregate victory that puts them

in the quarterfinals. Chelsea are still in the FA Cup

but are a long way off the top four in the Premier League and so face

missing out on a place in next season's Champions League

for the first time in 14 years. We tried to do our first job, to get

out of the relegation zone, but it was a very big gap to go on a place

where the right is to play Champions League. That's not, how shall I say,

Chelsea must consider in its short future how to handle this.

It's the last 16 of the Europa League tonight,

Tottenham face the favourites Borrussia Dortmund in Germany

but at Anfield it's the first leg of Liverpool against Manchester

England's two most successful sides have never met in Europe before.

Games like this, the mother of all football games, that is what you

really want when you are younger, when you can play. You don't have to

think about concentration, you are concentrated, it's absolutely easy

then. And so, yes, it's a big challenge, but the best thing you

can do in football. England's women just avoided

finishing bottom at the end of their three-match friendly

tournament in the USA. After two defeats they signed

off with a 0-0 draw Jo Currie was at the match

for us in Boca Ratone. England said they were coming to the

She Believes cup to win it, but it wasn't to be. After defeats to the

USA and Germany they needed at least a draw against France to avoid

finishing bottom. The lionesses were forced to defend time and time

again. They went close and hit the crossbar. Demi Stokes had England's

best chance but could not beat the goalkeeper. The captain was buoyant

about her team's performance. Knowing how tied each of the three

games have been, we are very pleased with how we have progressed first

and foremost, it is the first time we have been together for three

months, so to come here and have two weeks, and with each game we got

better and better, and unfortunately the results didn't come but without

a doubt the performance and progression of the team is on the

way up. Hosts USA eventually won the She Believes cup with a 2-1 win

against Germany in the final. England's results may not have been

what they wanted this week, but their performances have impressed,

having gone toe to toe with the top three teams in the world.

In the last few minutes, England have named an unchanged team

to face Wales in the Six Nations at Twickenham on Saturday,

but there's plenty of interest in who's on the bench.

Manu Tuilagi is among the replacements and set

to win his first cap in almost two years.

He's had various injuries, the head coach Eddie Jones says

the Leicester centre has been picked on potential more

The winner will be favourite to go on and win the title,

with one more round of matches to go.

I will be back with the headlines at 10:30am.

Good morning, we're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel

Earlier we met the amazing Daniel Rowland, little boy had as -- who

had selective mutism, a phobia of talking. You have been e-mailing us.

Lynn said, I experienced selective mutism with a girl in my class 28

years ago, it was a joyous day when she first spoke.

Another says, my son had a similar problem with selective mutism, glad

to know there is a name for the condition, it was frustrating for us

because he had normal conversation that home.

Alison takes two to say, your feature has given me a name for what

I have, I didn't speak during my first year at school and thought I

was shy. I grew out of it and I am a woman in my late 50s.

You can get in touch in the usual ways, use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Wherever you are you can watch our programme online

via the BBC News app or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria.

The parents of a seven-year-old boy who died during the flooding

in Surrey two years ago say they may have to represent themselves

at the coroner's inquest because they've been

Zane Gbangbola died in Chertsey in February 2014.

The authorities say he was poisoned by carbon monoxide fumes.

His family believe he was killed by hydrogen cyanide from a contaminated

An inquest into the boy's death opens in June.

The leader of the Green Party has asked the Prime Minister to step

in and help the family get legal aid.

Zane's parents are Nicole Lawler and Kye Gbangbola.

Welcome to the programme, thank you for talking to us.

Our legal affairs analyst Clive Coleman is also here.

He will talk about the legal aid issue and the changes made by the

Government. I would like to ask you, first of all, if I may, about the

flooding in 2014. It had been going on in your basement for a few weeks,

hadn't it? The house had water come into the basement in January, and it

happened again, so we naturally defended the property, because it is

Victorian, it is designed with a flood basement, and as long as you

can pump out the water quicker than it comes in, you are fine. It is an

all electric house, all of the pumps were electric pumps. Essentially

what happened, Zane and I returned home, I kissed him good night, and

woke up in hospital the next day to find that my beautiful son had died.

What had happened is the landfill, the water had passed through the

landfill underneath the house and released toxins into the house, we

now know it to be hydrogen cyanide, undisputed. That gas had infused the

house and resulted in the whole area needing to be evacuated. The bridge

over the Thames into our area needed to be closed down, a pop-up

hospital, many people ambulance to the hospital, and no parent should

see their child in a special toxic body bag. We have thought, really,

over the last two years, because we have always had knowledge of

hydrogen cyanide, so the key facts are these: They said it wasn't

hydrogen cyanide, we now know there was hydrogen cyanide. They said

there was carbon monoxide, we now know that multiple sweeps identified

it was never any carbon monoxide. We now know that it is landfill,

whereas in the beginning they said the land had never been used as

landfill. So these are toxic combination that have occurred. Much

information has been exposed which has led us to a situation now where

information came out as regards the levels from a national incident logs

that was read out in the coroner's key ring, and that said there were

25,000 ppm of hydrogen cyanide that was in our home, so we really do

need to have support as other organisations are in a situation

where they are funded at the public's expense. I will come onto

their readers point you raised there in a second the reason that you are

in a wheelchair is because of what happened on that night as well? Yes,

I'm secondary to the issue of my son, Zane, and awareness of other

people, which is why we have the Truth About Zane campaign, because

it raises awareness of issues that affect everyone, which is landfill,

flooding, and people, and increasingly with the floods that

will happen more and more, we don't want that to happen. This is

information that you have, how audience will be hearing this for

the first time. And initial postmortem found no clear cause of

death, further tests were taken and the pathologist said that your son

died from carbon monoxide poisoning. Possibly from what was described as

a petrol driven pump, this is what you dispute? Yes, the original

postmortem for Zane, it is difficult to speak about, no one ever wants to

speak about their child's's postmortem, it actually ruled out

carbon monoxide and any parental influence. As secondary report was

done, only one autopsy, and that suggested that there may be carbon

monoxide, so that dumbfounded us, considering the fact of the actual

case. So... So that is what is potentially going to be argued that

your son's inquest, which is why, Nicole, you say you need legal aid?

Absolutely. The petrol pump, going back to your question to Kye, was a

pump that was hired in case the electricity went when the house was

flooded. It wasn't in use, it had no fuel in it, and there was no petrol,

so I just want to let everybody know that was the position and this is

why we strongly disputed. And the police looked into that in case

there was any liability from the company that hired it to you, and

there was no case to answer? Absolutely, we spent over ?100 a few

weeks before and had to travel long distance to hire a pump, so what we

did was hire it for a week in case we needed it. For the legal aid

question, we are in a position where we have over 60 witnesses and over

20 lever arch files, we have already experienced six pre-inquest hearings

where there has been complex and difficult legal arguments which are

way beyond our understanding to deal with. We will be expected to

question all 60 witnesses and to answer questions ourselves as

witnesses. The hardest thing you will ever do is read your child's's

postmortem, and to have to then question the very people that did

that... They have put us in an impossible situation. We have always

said, you cannot die from a substance that wasn't there. The

readings, in terms of a measure called carboxyhaemoglobin for the

whole family, was half of what any person has that is in London that

walks along Oxford Street. We all know that is not toxic to human

beings, otherwise the whole of London would be dead. So it is clear

that you simply cannot die from a substance that is not there.

You applied for legal aid and you were declined. Yes, they said it was

not in the public interest. Why did they say that? It's in the public

interest because it's in relation to people. There are over 30,000 people

signed up to the Truth about Zane campaign and we simply do not want

this to happen again to other people. It's certainly something

that needs an impact on public policy to protect our children. One

of the reasons why we are having support is because that's understood

that there is a growing risk in relation to issues of landfill and

flooding and that has to be tempered.

I want to read you a couple of statements I've got. The local

council tell us they have the utmost sympathy for the family in relation

to the loss of their son and understandable need for answers. The

council's position is that there is no evidence of a risk to public

health in the area from the lake near your home or that Zane's death

was brought about as a result of floodwater contamination, we

recognise it's important the matter is concluded as soon as possible. At

the time, the council and public health England said the land is not

contaminate and there is no risk to public health. That's something that

you want to question them further on, or rather you would rather have

the legal aid for a barrister to question them on that further on in

the inquest? Everyone should ask the question, how is it we live in a

country where there is no investigation into a toxic gas

that's in an area or its source? So it's not right that you can, that

they can make that point, because there has been no investigation into

the land. I just want to add that the property next door to us is

owned by the Environment Agency and they had extensive reports all

documented and public, that there were migrating gases from that field

when they applied to the Council for Planning permission, and part of the

planning permission was that they needed to remediate that land

because the migrating gases cause harm or death. What happened was the

Environment Agency put gas proof membrane in their property and

nobody else was informed so no-one could make informed decisions. So

the council are already, it's already documented that that.

Let me bring in Clive Coleman if I may in terms of the legal aid issue.

Why are they not entitled to legal aid? The position in legal aid for

inquests is as follows: There is legal aid available for the

preparation leading up to the inquest. That includes lawyers

writing submissions to be put to the coroner. Where it's highly

contentious, there is no longer any general right to legal aid for

representation at the inquest. The reason for that, the Government

gives, is that an inquest, it says, is an informal, non-adverse aerial

inquiry and it's design sod that ordinary people can participate and

understand and ask questions and the coroner can ask questions on their

behalf. But of course you have just heard that you can have inquests

that are immensely complex as this one is, 60 lever arch files, the

idea even for a barrister when cross-examining a toxicologist, you

know who, has an area of expertise that you don't have, is quite

intimidating. For someone without the scientific knowledge, for them

to take that on is a big ask. Where, as I understand it, your application

failed, was that there's exceptional funding, so you can get it if you

are the family of the deceased in two instances, one is when there's a

suspicion that the death might have been at the hands of a state actor,

so a death in custody, police shooting, something like that. The

other is when there's a wider public interest. I think you said you were

told it wasn't in the "public interest", the grounds are "wider

public interest" and the basis for determining that is, if there'll be

a benefit for you having an advocate, if there could be a

benefit to a wider group, not related to the family but a wider

group of people, in this case no doubt you would argue that's anyone

who lives near landfill. I don't think you have had detailed reasons

for why you failed first time round and at the appeal, but that's the

basis. The case worker has to look at whether there's wider class of

people who'd benefit if the family had an advocate and that's where

this has fallen and you have heard an explanation of what that wider

group would be. May I say; the death of a child is

like having your heart torn out. In our case, we have had that stamped

on many times. The not receiving legal aid is a blow to the revealing

of the truth for answers and justice and we have only ever asked for

answers. It's an injustice to expect us, as deceased parents, to

represent ourselves over a six-week period, against five of the

country's best Queen's Counsel that are funded at the public's expense.

We are defenceless. We are simply victims and survivors and what we

are saying is that this is in the wider interest because of these

growing issues of flooding and the fact that landfill has caused a

toxic substance to cause all these injuries. My diagnosis is paraplegic

due to cyanide poisoning. Zane was closer to me than you are.

David Cameron's stepped in once before on a case where the family

had been denied legal aid. The case of Bobby Shepherd and his sister who

died from carbon dioxide poisoning in Corfu in 2006. What would you say

to him this morning? Well, I would say, we need the leadership and the

championing and the care that has been shown by those people like

Natalie Bennett and others that have said, of course we should receive

legal aid. It's absolutely wrong to send us in defenceless against five

Goliaths. That's not right. We'd say to David Cameron, please review the

situation so that we can receive the kind of defence that is needed in

order to protect and show responsibility and care to a wider

public and society. Thank you both very much for coming

on the programme. Still to come Next before 11;

if you use a pre-payment meter and electricity, and there

are 4 million low-income households You probably knew that already,

but it's been confirmed today It says rates should be dropped

and brought into line After an 18 month investigation

focusing on the dominance of the UK's Big Six energy

providers the Competition and Markets Authority has come up

with what it calls remedies. And there's a plan to

extract small and medium sized businesses from long-term

deals that cost too much, saying they should be able to switch

more easily It also suggests a massive database open to all rival

companies to allow direct marketing That would cover households who've

been on standard variable tariffs for three years and,

it says, would protect customers We can speak now to Andy Cook,

who was on a prepay meter until last week and had been paying as much

as ?40 a weekend on gas bills and Ruslan Tadjev, who runs a small

fashion company that helps get young designers get started

in the industry. you were paying ?40 a week or

weekend? A week. Ruslan employs eight people and is

tied into a four-year tariff. Why did you get tied into the four-year

tariff? We are Sa small fashion firm. We provide services to the

British brands in the fashion industry so we do all the work from

the sketch, including sampling, small production rounds and this

will involve a lot of equipment that we need to use like sewing machines,

irons and lighting equipment. That takes a lot of energy.

Our machinery runs right from the morning until the end of the day. We

sometimes work weekends because we have to match the Fashion Week's

dates. You thought it would be a good deal to sign up for four years

or stability or what? The price was the problem because, when we first

arrived at the property, we got automatically signed up with the

previous supplier and we were not even aware they'd put us on a basic

tariff. A few months down the line we just received a huge bill which

we had to pay. And you were effectively stuck because it was the

four-year thing. When you hear what the competition watchdog is

suggesting, that you should be able to get out of a long-term deal more

easily, that's got to be good news for you? Yes. For us, it was more

important the price because we employ a lot of people and we can't

afford to employ more so it costs us jobs as to the garment to pay more

bills every month. Andy, you ended up on a prepay metre almost by

accident. What happened? It was a strange one. We had a house built in

somebody's garden and the gas company refused to believe the house

existed so for about four years they wouldn't send us a gas bill.

Eventually they came along and gave us a gas bill which was obviously

for thousands of pounds, so we set up a payment system with them. They

then sold the contract to another company. The other company then came

along and said we owed them money and the only way we could pay that

back was, they put us on a prepayment gas metre because I

refused to pay two companies at the same time. That just escalated for a

year and they claimed we weren't paying any debt off at all even

though an engineer from the National Grid told us it was showing on the

machine. Then they came along and said, you have to pay this quickly

now because you haven't paid us for a year. Up until about six weeks

ago, we'd put from Friday evening until about Sunday evening, I would

put about ?40 worth of gas on which, considering I've got three small

children, I can't go without gas, I had to have heating and hot water,

and we were just haemorrhaging money on gas. So when you hear this

recommendation today that there should be a price cap on everybody

who's on a prepayment metre which is often people on lower incomes, how

do you react? It It has to be, because the majority are on a low

income, they can't move companies. We were stuck with the prepayment

metre, we couldn't do anything. The company we were with had a hold over

us so we couldn't move to a cheaper tariff. We were just completely

stuck and, like I said, they were just taking money off us like it was

just ridiculous. We were chatting to other people that had normal gas

bills and you were hearing what they were paying compared to what we were

paying, do you know what I mean, it was astronomical amounts of money.

We had no choice at all. Can I ask you about another recommendation

today which is, those people who're on the standard variable tariffs,

which are about 70% of consumers outside the prepayment sector who

don't switch, they never switch, and if they did, they could probably

save themselves ?300-?400 a year. One recommendation is those

customers' details will be on a database so rival suppliers will be

able to contact them and encourage them to switch which might mean you

get lots of e-mails or post or whatever, do you think that's a good

idea? I think it is, yes. What about you, Andy? I wouldn't recommend

anybody getting phone calls all the time, I know what the companies are

like. If you decided you want to swap, fair enough. If you are in the

position we were in, obviously I would be looking to get cheaper gas

bills, but to allow these companies just to phone people, I wouldn't

say, is the best move, to be honest. There might have to be an opt-in or

out? Yes, certainly. Thank you very much, Andy, the

comment on the programme, and thank you, Ruslan, as well.

Think you might have been paying too much and not sure what to do next?

You can ask our expert on the BBC News Channel at 11.30am today.

He's James Plunkett, Policy Director at Citizens Advice.

You can send us your questions using the hashtag #BBCAskThis

or you can text your question to 61124.

The Sun newspaper says it stands by its story on the Queen's

support for an EU exit, which caused the Palace

We'll hear from the media commentator Steve Hewlett.

And the tragic case of a woman who died after the NHS 111 service

cancelled an ambulance that was just one minute away from her home.

Four million households with pre-pay gas and electricity meters should

get a cap on how much they're charged - that's the call

It's unveiled plans to help households get better value

for the money they pay for energy, including boosting protection

There are some really good deals out there for all of us

but about two-thirds of us don't take them.

We sit on the default tariff which is about 25-30% more than it

Our solution to this is going to be to make it easier for people

to switch, better informed, cheaper, much less hassle

and we firmly believe that we are well on the way

There's been a sharp rise in emergency health service

admissions with NHS England reporting record

Our health correspondent is here. What do the figures show?

It shows that despite appeals for people not to go to A and let it

is a serious emergency, the number of attendances in January was up by

more than 10% compared with the same month the previous year, which is

reflected in delays in A There is a target that 95% of patients should

be seen and treated within four hours, in January it was 88.7%, the

worst performance ever with data going back to 2004.

Thank you very much, Adam. It's the second day of the junior

doctors' strike and now NHS England is warning that things are getting

more difficult in hospitals. But it insists plans are in place

to ensure they can cope. The doctors' union is

apologising but claims the walk-out, that ends tomorrow

morning, is necessary. This morning sees more scrapping

within Government ranks over David Cameron is accusing leave

campaigners of thinking the loss of jobs and business

is 'a price worth paying'. But they've hit back,

saying the remarks are unworthy Here's the sport headlines

now with Olly Foster. These are our headlines this

morning: Chelsea have been knocked

out of the Champions Paris St Germain reaching

the quarterfinals at their expense Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored the winner

at Stamford Bridge. 2-1 on the night, they went

through 4-2 on aggregate. Liverpool will face

Manchester United tonight for the first time in

European compettion. It's the first leg of their last 16

Europa League tie at Anfield. Tottenham are in Germany

playing Dortmund. England have named an unchanged team

to face Wales in the Six Nations on Saturday, but Manu Tuilagi

will be on the bench at Twickenham. The Leicester Centre hasn't played

for England in almost two years. Just after Christmas in December

2014, 61-year-old Ann Walters from Portsmouth called NHS 111

complaining of breathlessness. She explained she had a heart

condition and the call handler took the correct decision to ring 999,

and an ambulance was dispatched Several minutes later a clinical

support desk practitioner for the 111 helpline called

Mrs Walters back, and after a two minute conversation with her

with cancelled the ambulance which, by that stage,

was just 60 seconds away Ten hours later she was found

dead in her living room by her son, who had

been resting upstairs. Last week an inquest into her death

ruled Mrs Walters died An investigation by the South

Central Ambulance Service found the clinical desk practitioner

for NHS 111 had not picked up on Mrs Walters' critical condition,

missing crucial signs. He first told us his story just

before last year's general election at our audience debate

on the NHS in Southampton. On 28th December at the end

of last year, at 6am, I found my mother

deceased in the front room. At 6:30am, after dealing

with paramedics and the police, I have been visited

by an out-of-hours GP who has informed me at 8:20,

8:30am in the morning, that my mother had actually called

for help to the 111 service. Subsequently, I found out that

if you are an operator for 111 you do not need any past

qualifications or experience. And the out-of-hours GP at the time,

although very polite considering the emotional

distress he had walked into, informed me that his care

load for that night What are politicians going to do

to decrease the workload for an already stressed

and exacerbated service? Good morning. You still think this

could happen again, while? There is always human error, although the

refuse processes have been changed for the Ambulance Service, there is

always a part where a human being could make a decision which is

incorrect or adverse. But you cannot legislate against that, can you? You

can and you can't. Because of the inquest on Thursday there have been

new guidelines saying that a call handler can no longer stand down an

ambulance, which is affected this year, so there are things in place

now on a national level. The particular clinical support desk

practitioner said that when he spoke to your mum in that two-minute

conversation she said she didn't want an ambulance, she wanted a

doctor, and he said your mother was forceful about that. What did you

think when you heard that? After hearing that the original 111 call

handler had noticed her condition required the supervision of an

ambulance or paramedics, it was quite hard to hear that he thought,

after just mere moments on the phone, OK, she wants

to see a doctor, I will stand the ambulance down. The investigation by

the Ambulance Service concerned said that the practitioner did not

establish your mother's condition in that very brief conversation, it was

not a clinical assessment of her condition, and that he did not

demonstrate an understanding of heart failure or ability to pick up

significant clues from the patient. What did you think of that? It turns

out the clinician in question listened to part of the phone call

to the 111 service before it was passed on to 999, so in being able

to hear the phone call conversation that the original call handler had

escalated to an emergency, I fail to see why he was unable to make an

informed decision regarding her help. The investigation found he did

not follow the correct procedures, he did not ask the right questions.

Heat the hat, the conversation would have lasted a lot longer. And the

ambulance would have shown up. -- if he had done. Your mother had a

chronic health condition, you knew that, she knew that, she was clearly

deteriorating that day. What difference do you think it might

have made if the ambulance had gone? I agree with the coroner's

conclusion overall that, on the balance of probability, she was on

her way out, and we are talking weeks or months, but at the time it

would have prolonged her life by a not insignificant amount of time,

enough for me and my sister to see her in hospital, just a few more

days, and if nothing else would have made her passing easier. There has

been retraining at the south-central Ambulance Service. The practitioner

concerned has been retrained, was returned to duty I think several

months later. They also say they have introduced stringent changes to

their 999 clinical support desk procedures which would prevent and

events being stood down in similar future circumstances. Is that

enough? On balance, it is a step in the right direction, it will enable

other people in similar situations to receive the help they need

without having to worry about someone standing down the ambulance

in such situations, but there is always more that can be done when it

comes to people's lives. I know people have made hurtful comments to

you because you were in the house at the time, you were upstairs. How do

you respond to that? One of the comments in particular I read from

an article in the sun, my sister pointed out to me, I find it

shocking he was just upstairs. It was not uncommon when I visited my

mother for her to leave me alone before I went back to London, so I

just thought she was leaving me to it. Having someone say it is

shocking that someone is upstairs and she died alone, I have had to

come to terms with that myself over the last year, my sister and I, she

was helpful and said, she did not want you to see her like that. On

balance, I probably would not have wanted to see her like that, but I

would not want her to die alone, I would have wanted to be there, so

the comments have been hurtful, and I have had to deal with this myself.

You are pursuing a civil negligence claim, what do you hope to achieve?

Other than being rather annoying to the local Ambulance Service, it is

more to cover the costs of the administration probate which have

soared beyond belief, and to cover the cost of the funeral. I

understand the trust has made financial offer to you but of

?5,000? Once the solicitor has their feet, it would not cover the cost of

the funeral. So you want them to come back... I'm not too fussed

about how much money it is, so long as everything is wrapped up. Thank

you very much for coming on the programme. No worries, Victoria, it

is a pleasure to see you again. The South Central Ambulance Service

NHS Foundation Trust told us: They accept the coroner's conclusion

and would like to take this opportunity to say how sorry they

are. The original call was answered by the NHS one-on-one service. --

111 service. Following an assessment the NHS 111

call handler decided that an ambulance attendance would be

appropriate and therefore the call The patient was further assessed

by our Clinical Support Desk and in line with the patient's

wishes the clinician passed the call to the Out of Hours provider to make

contact with the patient Subsequently we received a 999 call

to attend the patient several hours The Trust has undertaken

an extensive investigation into this case

and has introduced stringent changes to its 999

clinical support desk procedures which would prevent an ambulance

being stood down in similar The editor of the sun is backing his

article yesterday saying that the Queen backs exit from the European

Union. It would alter that the Queen expressed strong anti-EU views to

the former deputy premises to Nick Clegg.

Multiple sources, two sources, to be precise, came to us with information

about the Queen and her views on the EU, and we would have been derelict

in our duty if we did not put them in a paper, simple as that. The fact

that the story is inconvenient for a good number of people is not my

fault. We serve our readers and not the elite who might be upset at what

we have written. Steve Hewlett is present of The

Media Show on Radio 4. He is emphatic in the Dubuque, the story

is true, the headline was not in accurate? -- emphatic in his

interview. The story may be true, the Palace are not complaining about

the story. As a matter of protocol they never comment on the green's

Private conversations, of which she has many. I have met her a couple of

times, never in this sort of situation, but people who have say

she is far from a shrinking violet, she is a doughty interrogator, she

knows what she thinks, she has been around, so people come out of these

lunches thinking, blimey, what has happened here? She is not lacking in

opinion or inside, she has been around a long time. The Palace, as a

matter of protocol, never, on private conversations, not so much

because they don't think people have the right to know but because, as

the moderate in a constitutional monarchy, if those things come into

the public domain, the institution is potentially undermined, so that

is their protocol. There is no reason why the Sun should accept

that, they are a newspaper, they are there to tell us what is what, but

what it means is they are not complaining about the substance of

the article, they are not going to seek to contradict what the Sun says

she said. But if you luck, the son's claimed today that a non-denial

amounts to confirmation, it is wide of the mark because the Palace would

not deny or confirm, they will never comment. They will be complaining

about the headline, and the question is whether what is in the article

supports the headline. I have read the article many times, and you can

look as high and low, you will find no suggestion from anybody that what

the Queen actually said was, I'd back Brexit. The main meeting

referred to happened in 2011, the term Brexit would not have been

invented at the time. What they claim she said, and let's assume

this is true, the Sun said they have double sources, let's accept that.

The EU is going in the wrong direction, she says, David Cameron

says that, he is on the inside. She says, I don't understand Europe.

Many people have said that, you can follow it with, so, let's get out,

all, let's stay in and fix it. The question will be, does the headline,

is it supported by the facts? The complaint they have made is under

section one of the editor's code. It says, entitled accuracy: The press

must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted

information or images, including, and this is the key bit, headline is

not supported by the text. So the Palace are not complaining about the

substance, they are complaining about the headline, and the question

is, do the Sun have anything to support the headline? Mr Gallagher,

on the radio this morning, was clear that the headline was accurate.

Well, he said a couple of things. He said, we know but more than be

published, although if you have the Queen saying, I think we should

leave the EU, in anything like those terms, I don't see why he would hold

it back, I think you would put it in. I don't know what else they have

got. It maybe they have more substantiation for what they claim

she has said. They are not quite claiming she said this, that is the

point. When asked repeatedly on the Today programme this morning, in the

end he said, it is semantics, it is semantics. If you get to that point,

I think they might have more of a problem than they are acknowledging.

The other thing to bear in mind is the timing, it is unusual for the

Palace to make a complaint to the price regulator, it so. The timing

of these things, in theory, the parties get 28 days to resolve

themselves, but that will not happen, we don't have to wait 28

days to find that out. IPSO would say they would like to complete this

in about 30 days, I don't think they have managed that, one complaint

they are sitting at the moment, a story about one in five Muslims

supporting extremism, published last November in the sun, I think the

adjudication might be next week or the week after, which is about three

months. The best advice or guidance is two months on this complaint,

which puts it in the middle of May. You know what is happening then,

don't you?! Local elections around the UK, and in June of course we

have the EU referendum. It will come out after that? Right in the middle

of the campaign. In political terms, then what happens, people who liked

the monarchy, many people adore the Queen, do understand that she has a

special position, not that she has no personal views at all but they

should not be expressed in public, and if they are it undermines the

institution. It is not at all clear, even if she did support Brexit,

bringing her into the row in this way may not work for Brexit

supporters, many of them might say, this is the wrong way to do is the

Queen. Thank you, we will see when that adjudication comes out.

Here are some comments from you about MPs' pay. 1.3% coming after a

10% pay rise. Clive Lewis donated his ?7,000 to various community

projects and charity. This year he says he's taking the 1.3% despite

the fact it's above what public sector workers are getting. Emma

says, I'm on a 0 hours contract, haven't had a pay rise for five

years and make less than ?22,000 a year. How are MPs justifying two pay

rises in less than 12 months, I don't get sick pay, benefits, four

months or three weeks off over the summer or Christmas. Another pay

rise for MPs is an insult. Simon tweets this; those donating part of

their salary are doing it foul coarses do and out of uncomfortable

embarrassment, no-one turns down a pay rise. Jean says what about

pensioners, doctors, nurses, teachers, are we living on the same

planet. We have people sleeping rough, food banks and pay cuts. MPs

turn a blind eye to everything. Disgraceful. Adrian says MPs are

damned if they do, damned if they don't. We complained when they were

in charge of their own pay, now an independent body is in charge of it,

we complain again, we can't have it both ways.

Keep your comments coming in, although it's 10. 48. Off few

minutes to send me a message on Twitter. I'll read them all.

Madonna's former husband Guy Ritchie is expected in court today as part

of a bitter custody battle over their son Rocco.

The couple divorced in 2008 and agreed their son would live

But Rocco has been living with his father in London since December.

A US judge has already ruled Rocco must return to live with his mum

but for the time being he's refusing to leave his dad.

The singer, who's currently on the Asian leg of her world tour,

To talk more about that is our entertainment correspondent Mark

What is the latest hearing to try and sort then? From what we

understand, last week Madonna and Guy Ritchie had come to some sort of

agreement and they were going to present that at the High Court in

London but it fell apart right at the last minute. The hope is today

that that will have been patched up, that some more evidence will be

presented and that the situation with Rocco will be resolved.

As I said, the American judge said that he has to return to his mother.

When we say resolve, could it mean he ends up staying in London with

his father? We are not entirely sure. There's going to be a lot more

evidence presented today. It's thought we'll hear maybe not in

person but get some evidence from Rocco himself. The problem with the

New York court hearing was the judge said Rocco should return to his

mother but she couldn't compel Guy and Rocco to come to New York to

have the order enforced. Madonna's lawyers said Richie should be

compelled to attend the court under contempt of court laws but she said

that was out of order, she said there was tremendous pressure on

Rocco and that it really was up to the family to resolve this

ammicicallibly. Madonna filed a petition to have the case moved to

London which is what is happening now, but the judge said the same

thing, that this is a private matter, shouldn't be played out in

public, and that, for the best interests of the 15-year-old boy,

the two entertainers should try and put their differences aside and

settle the case. Difficult to get into the mind of

any of them but the judge has said, please sort this out privately. We

have had a couple of occasions recently, where Madonna is crying on

stage. On Mother's Day, she dedicated one of her songs to Rocco.

She's not keeping this private? No. I mean, if you read the press, it

sounds like she's breaking down in tears the every night and posting

messages to Instagram and Twitter. They are slightly more sporadic than

that. Obviously it's very distressing for any mother if their

son leaves or is taken away and Madonna is the sort of person who

notoriously wears her hash on her sleeve. Before this started, she was

dedicating songs to Rocco in concert. Last September, she talked

to an audience in New York about the fact that they had had a falling out

that, sometimes he talked back to huh, but then she dedicated the

song, Rebel Heart, to him and said we are exactly alike. We don't know

exactly what is going on, but I think perhaps some of her head

strong nature has transferred to her children and when you are a

teenager, clashes happen. But when you are a teenager, normal teenagers

who are the children of famous global stars, they are embarrassed

by their parents. If you are, you know, the child of a famous person,

you might not want this constant referencing in public necessarily?

No, absolutely. Although I think if you look further back, before this

all started on Madonna's social media and on Rocco's social media

which he's now deleted, there are plenty of videos of them both

singing Pink Floyd songs, he was working on the tour before they

left. They had a very close relationship, clearly something's

happened, the press speculated it was a spat over a mobile phone,

Madonna took the phone away from him and he fled, but we don't know any

of that. Sometimes these things happen and they get resolved

sometimes. When I was 15, I didn't have the resources to fly to another

country, but maybe that's just one of the things that gets thrown up

when you are the child of a superstar. Thank you very much,

Mark. Thousands of documents have turned

up relating to Islamic state. What are the German authorities saying?

They are taking this seriously and say as far as they are concerned

they are working on the assumption that the documents are genuine and,

in the words of one security expert, these are a gold mine for

counterterror police officers because the documents purport to be

recruitment questionnaires, so when someone tries to join IS, he or she

fills out a questionnaire with details like, name by which they

would like to be known, the place that they have been living, family

defails, contact details, the people who've got them to Iraq or Syria in

the first place, so a huge amount of information. This has all been

received by the German Security Services with real gratitude I

suspect, although they were already examining documents of this ilk,

they say. In a statement this morning, the country's Interior

Minister has said that not only will these documents enable them to

identify certainly Germans who've gone overseas to fight, but that

they'll really provide evidence with which they can actually secure

convictions, put some of these people behind bars, as well as

providing a real picture, of course, of the structure of this

organisation. So being taken very, very seriously indeed here in

Germany. So what will be their next move then with this information

specifically? I think we have to bear in mind that

the authorities here have been working on documents like this

already. One can only presume that the amount of information now

meaners this going to have to start going through more of the documents

and presumably they'll start being able to take action against some of

these individuals, although it's early days and the details were

getting through about this level of documentation are still very

sketchy. There's a lot of work ahead clearly for the Security Services

here. Any clue as to how, where this information has come from,

specifically? Interestingly, it came via an

organisation in the German press, it's a number of people from

different media outlet who is got together, saying they were

approached by a disgruntled former IS fighter who offered them a memory

stick containing these documents. They turned him down, they say he

asked for too much money and they themselves went out to Iraq and

Syria and so on and through their contacts there, managed to obtain

the documents. It's interesting, we have not been able to confirm this,

but they say that this kind of information is two a penny on the

streets and that they were able, with relative ease, to gain access

to these documents. I think it's significant the Security Services

here are taking it seriously. That lends of course, it an authenticity

which otherwise might be questionable, given how easily these

people say they were able to access the information. A lot of work

ahead, certainly. Thank you very much. Breaking news before the end

of the programme: The MP David Lammy has been fined ?5,000 by the

Information Commissioner for instigating 35,629 nuisance calls

over two days urging people to back his campaign to be London Mayor.

Wow. That's a lot of calls in two days. He's been fined ?5,000 by the

Information Commissioner for tens of thousands of nuisance calls over a

couple of days urging people to back his campaign to be London Mayor.

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