11/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Friday March 11th, it's 9:15am.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

Almost two thirds of women in the UK say they've had unwanted sexual

Sexual harassment is a really everyday experience for so many

women and girls. Whistling, staring. I could be in jeans and boots like

today and it is, oh, sexy! We will speak to women who tell us

that inappropriate sexual attention is an everyday experience.

The former Prime Minister Tony Blair has called pro-EU campaigners

to make their case with the same fervour shown by those

We speak to voters across the UK who say they have no idea which way

they're going to vote in June's referendum.

We will introduce you to Alfie. He has Down's syndrome, and after

coverage on this programme last year about how difficult it is for people

with Down's syndrome to get paid work, he has a job. Here his

inspiring story at 9:30am. Welcome to the programme,

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or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. Being groped and sexually assaulted

on public transport, gigs, clubs, even on the street. It is an issue

that many of you experience and have told as it is not being taken see

with Fiona. We want to hear your experiences. -- you have

told us it is not being taken seriously enough.

A YouGov survey suggests that almost two thirds of women in the UK have

had unwanted sexual attention in public places.

Out of 889 women asked, 35% said they'd specifically

experienced - quote - unwanted sexual touching.

This morning we'll hear from Jessica Brady from Middlesborough.

In March last year she was sexually assaulted on the tube.

Last month her attacker was jailed for nearly six months.

She's decided to waive her right to anonymity to urge others to come

It's something that the British Transport Police have been trying

to raise awareness of in a new online campaign.

The man in the grey suit is staring at you.

90% of unwanted sexual behaviour on public transport goes unreported.

You can report anything that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Jessica Brady was assaulted on a tube in March last year.

Rosie Solomon was sexually assaulted at a gig.

Kafayat Okanlawon was groped on the bus when she was 14.

Natsayi Sithole says she's been groped many times since her teens.

They have waived their right to anonymity to talk to us this

morning. Sarah Green is the director of End

Violence Against Women Coalition. Jessica, if I may, tell us what

happened to you on the tube? I was making my way home and a gentleman

got on the tube and sat direct the opposite me. I was reading the time,

he started staring manically at me and smiling. I was a little bit off

guard but I carried on doing what I was doing, hoping he would stop

looking at me, to be honest. Then he carried on the whole journey towards

our destination stop. Then I stood up to get off the tube, he stood on

my right hand side and put his hand on my bottom. Initially, I thought

it was an accident, but as we got out of the

train he followed me and started talking to me and continued to touch

my bum and said, you have a very innocent face, do

you understand what I'm saying? I like it. I was in shock. He

continued to pursue me up the escalator. I went to the walking

side of the escalator. He put his hand on my bottom for the duration

of the journey up the escalator. Wow. Unbelievable, unbelievable.

That is what I felt up the time, it did not feel

could he have the audacity? I was not

frightened, I was shocked, but after the event I started to feel,

my goodness, what has happened? Did it occur to you to turn around and

say, what the heck are you doing? Of course, but I thought he could have

a knife or anything, it was quite late at night full stop at the time

you did not personally know what to do. If I created a

Even by me asking that question, it seems like I am putting the onus on

you to stop it. I am not, I am just interested in your thought process.

Did you think twice before reporting it? I went

home, the first person I ran with my twice before reporting it? I went

mum and I said, I have had a really awful

experience on the tube. She said, did you report it? I thought, they

will do nothing, I cannot prove what happened. She went, no, you are

going to you, it has probably happen to lots of other women. I took it

upon myself as a duty. How were you treated by the police? Fantastic,

absolutely wonderfully. The first instance when I rang the actual

police, they were fantastic and wanted to know everything that had

gone on, they put me through to the British Transport Police and then in

very quick succession I was taken in to give a statement, then it

escalated from there. And Ilyas Firah from tooting was ultimately

jailed for 24 weeks. What did you think of that? Yeah. Obviously I was

overjoyed, I thought it was a great result. Not what I expected, to be

honest. I did not think he would get as long as he did, but I am happy

that he did, because it is not acceptable what he did. I felt quite

cross after it all, I felt, how have you made me go through this? It was

anger at first, how dare you? But, ultimately, he got what he deserved,

so I am happy. You have waived your right to anonymity to speak about

this national to, why? Because I feel like women, and men, don't

think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

think, oh, have I done something to warrant his behaviour towards me?

You haven't. It is not acceptable, you are a person who does not

deserve to be getting touched up or worse when you are on public

transport or in the shops. It happened so often, people don't

think it is normal to reported, and it is, it should be.

Well done. Let's be bringing our other guests, Sarah Greene, you say

that sexual harassment is an everyday experience for many women?

The YouGov survey we have published as a really stark finding that,

younger women across the country, aged 18 to 24, 85% have experienced

unwanted sexual harassed in public places, we are talking about making

sexual suggestions and,, shouting at women, sitting closely, staring at

women, indecent exposure. Almost half of this age group has

experienced unwanted physical contact of a sexual nature, be it

so-called groping, which is a very belittling term, and so much more.

It is important that we really get to grips with the scale of this and

we acknowledge what we have found, women commonly first experiences as

quite young travellers or people in public. Girls commonly experience

this behaviour from adult men on school journeys, for example,

younger women experience it in public places and high streets all

the time and are perfectly familiar with it by the time they are 21 stop

it is from a young age, and that matters. People are very unlikely to

intervene. We asked, did anybody intervene when it happened, only one

in ten said someone had done so, 80% said they would have liked to did

somebody had intervened chewing an incident of unwanted sexual contact.

It is whether there is somebody to intervene. What you mentioned about

older men groping, it belittles what happened but I suppose everybody

understands the term. It happened to you when you were 14? 14 years old,

on the way home from school, an older gentleman groped my behind.

Like Jessica said, I did not know what to do. I thought it might be

his bag, I didn't believe it was happening. When it happened again, I

realised it was definitely his hand. I didn't

know if I should report or who I should report it

I spoke to my mother. It is important to speak up so that other

women are not alone. It is important for

men to be involved in the conversation as well. What about

you, Natsayi? I was very young, about 13, but at this age, I am 26,

I lost experience did last week. I was out shopping in a very large

shopping centre in London, I was looking for a jacket in top shop and

a man came up to me, continue to talk to me in a sexualised manner,

that's me into a corner and started groping my leg, he was basically

trying to get me to give him my phone number so he could be friends

with me. This was not the first time I have experienced something

similar. What did you do? Made my excuses and back to my way out of

the situation, using my own skills and wiliness to get out of it, lots

of girls home that skill as we get older, that skill of getting

yourself out of sticky and uncomfortable situations, they are

hideous situations to be in and they make you feel like dirt afterwards,

and it is not your fault. What you have just said, Kafayat, is

important, the conversation needs to happen with boys as they get older

and men as they are older about how to behave and not cave around women,

what it feels like to be a woman. Rosie, you were at a gig, what

happened and what did you do? I was seeing one of my favourite bands,

about halfway through their set I felt something behind me, there was

a man bumping against my leg. At first I thought it is a crowded

venue and he probably does not have enough space, we were all jumping in

time to the music, it was not until I turned around and I realise that

he had plenty of space behind him that I realise that it Robert Lee

wasn't an accident and he was doing it on purpose. I tried to move away

and he followed me and continued to hump my leg. Oh, God. For want of a

better way of putting it. It lasted for about half an hour until the end

of the gig. I did not do anything during the gig because I was

enjoying it and I was angry and I was like, no, he will not ruin it

for me. But you spoke to start? After the gig, I took him to the

bar, he was very drunk, he came along with me, I am not sure he knew

what was going on. I talked to one of the bars stuck, I said, I would

like to report this man for sexual assault and I just burst into tears,

and while I was crying he and his friend ran away. The venue called

the police, I said I wanted to file a report. The venue called the

police review, that is good. Carry on. They handled it really, really

well. The police were lovely, they took me really see a risky. I

because I had not been physically hurt in any way, they took it really

seriously, dated my statement. I had not heard anything back and

hopefully I can ID him because I got a

pretty good look at him. Why do we think some men do this? Loads of men

are great and would not trade of doing anything like this, why do we

think some men do it? Like I said earlier, I feel like this kind of

behaviour is very much normalised because it is surrounded with a

culture of silence in women, that we don't necessarily talk about it. I

suppose it creates an environment in which boys

can just do it. But boys grew up with sisters and mums and auntie 's.

That is true, and I can't imagine my brother dooming anything similar,

but maybe some of his friends might. Jessica? I think some people try to

chance their low can they might think they have spotted somebody who

looks a bit vulnerable, perhaps, and a lot of the time they probably get

away with it because people are vulnerable, frightened and scared,

but sometimes they pick the wrong battle, if they like. That is why I

reported it, I was not going to have somebody touching me. I think it is

just an incentive for them. It is almost like a challenge.

When the transport police looked at this behaviour, they retrained CCTV

operators to look at the behaviour and he was doing it. In the course

of many detections, they found that the real modus operandi of some of

the men who do it, they enter the transport system in order to commit

this behaviour. It is intentional, not opportunist. We have repeated

offenders who do it again and to benefit from being told that this

does not really matter. We need to talk about what happens when women

tell men they are not interested. We have had great stories of being

taken seriously by the police, but the women here have experience in

quite nasty racist abuse sooner they have told meant they are not

interested, that would be a common experience of immediately being more

seriously attacked and threatened, when you have made it clear, I don't

want you, I don't need you to intrude on my space. We have

examined this issue. Because of that always being trivialised, there are

local elections coming up, police and crime commission

elections in May which many others will votes in, we need issues about

the way that women are treated and disrespected and public spaces, then

maybe we can have the conversation not just about women reporting but

about bystanders and the men doing it.

This tweet from Tony he says, you are all very brave the speaking out.

Angela tweets, if anyone groped me, I would shout him out in public and

then report it. I suppose that depends on the nature of your

personality. We all know someone who will do that, whether you do it

yourselves? Neill says, you should definitely

report it. Bernie says all sexual harassment is condemned and where

does this stem from? We have tried to

address that in the time we have available, but thanks for coming on

the programme. Really interested to hear your own, personal experiences.

If this has happened to you, let me know.

Maybe we will talk to you on the programme later on.

Still to come on the programme. We will talk to 18-year-old

Alfie, who was on the programme last day. He has now got a job. Also some

viewers who are torn about which way to vote in the EU referendum. We

will talk to you about what you need to help you make your mind up.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has said it's

"absolutely outrageous" to label as racist, people who raise

In a magazine interview, he said fear was a valid emotion

given the scale of the migrant crisis - and public concerns

campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

of the fervour displayed by their opponents in the referendum.

Mr Blair said the case for staying in the EU should be made

on the grounds of idealism as well as economic realism.

Downing Street and the White House have insisted the "special

relationship" between Britain and the US remains strong,

despite President Obama criticising David Cameron.

Mr Obama said the Prime Minister had become distracted after the military

intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

And Japan marks the fifth anniversary of the earthquake

and tsunami that left more than 18,000 people dead or missing.

John Watson has all the sport now - and more on last night's big

European game between Liverpool and Manchester United.

Manchester United lost to Liverpool 2-0. Jurgen Klopp called it the

mother of all games. United fans were disappointed and they are on

the brink of exit unless they can turn things around. Former players,

Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes called

Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes shambolic. We will be seen the goals

from Borussia Dortmund. Andy Murray will be talking about Maria

Sharapova's ban after failing a drug test. He was very critical of one of

her sponsors, who said they will stand by her. Good news for Laura

Robson who says she will return after 18 months out. We will be

showing you how much from Indian Wells. And England in action against

Wales in the six Nations. It is a match that could go some way in

deciding the title of the competition. Eddie Jones is talking

to the media. All coming up at ten o'clock.

You may remember last year on this programme,

we talked to eight young adults with Down's Syndome who told us

about the huge barriers they face when trying to get a job.

Thank you very much for talking to us.

You are at college and you are a gymnast.

Tell us about what is happening in July in LA.

In July I am going to LA, California, for the Special Olympics

What was it like when you were selected?

When it comes to working in the future, what do

Thank you for coming on the programme.

I also won a best acting award at the

When people think it is somebody with Down's syndrome what do

Down's syndrome in their heads is very weird.

People cannot be scared about Down's syndrome.

Do you think people are sometimes scared?

Sometimes they do but sometimes they don't.

I think coming from a charity it is just kind of ignorance a lot

The public do not know about Down's syndrome.

What do you think it is they are scared of?

I think they see someone who is different and maybe

It was a really inspiring conversation and, as a result,

a number of businesses got in touch to say they were interested

in taking part in programmes designed to help encourage people

with learning disabilities get into paid work.

The charity Mencap estimates that eight out of ten working age people

with conditions like Down's Syndrome could work,

One of those companies who wanted to do something about

that was Alix Partners, a consultancy firm.

They actually read our story on the BBC News site

and as a result have employed a young man with Down's Syndrome

He's 18 year-old Alfie Scullion, and he's here now, along

with his new boss Andy Constable and Peter Saville, who's

the Managing Director at Alix Partners.

And also with us are two of the people

20 year-old Holly Riseborough told us about her love of gymnastics

and since then has successfully competed in the Special Olympics

in Los Angeles winning four gold medals, and 28 year-old Otto Baxter

who has since that conversation, starred in a Bafta nominated film.

Alfie, welcome. What days do you work? Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Tell

us some of the tasks you do? In here. The post. OK, that is a

picture of the lifts and that is where you deliver the post to.

Delivering post. Photos. You put the post into the

folders. Then take it upstairs to people in the various offices. What

is on the next page last so you have photographs in here and

that is the photocopier and that helps you do the work, the various

photo copying and the printing. How does it feel for you to be at work?

Good. How do your family feel about you having this job? Proud of me. I

bet they are. Why did you decide to employ somebody like Alfie? I read

about it on the BBC website and I thought it was a very inspiring

story and I thought it was something organisations like ours, should be

involved in. In terms of finding out more, who did you contact? We

contacted the work fit programme and they made it so easy for us. Andy

will talk about how the recruitment process worked, but it was... We

were right to feel it was the right thing to do. Presumably a learning

curve for you and the other staff, as much as it was 4-3? Absolutely,

became clear early on is about raking down barriers. People in the

work lace have a role to play in all of the different professions. We

have loved having Alfie with us. In what way has your company benefited

with employing Alfie? We work in professional services, it can be a

blinkered organisation. The staff have loved having him around, it has

been fantastic. It has opened their eyes to different ways of working

and having different people in the work place. It has been great. One

of the most powerful things is Alfie has become one of the team. No more,

no less than that and that is important. Andy, you are his line

manager, when you hired Alfie, it was the work fit programme that

recruited Alfie, rather than your company? Yes, when we were aware we

were getting involved, they came and did the correct assessments, look at

the health and safety issues and the adaptations we may need to make. We

then went through a training programme, which was... You and your

staff? Yes, we opened it up to everyone who wanted to come and find

out about it and we had a very good uptake. What does the training

involved? It was trying to break down barriers on people's opinion on

people with down syndrome. Can you give any specific examples? With

regard to how they did that? What words did they use, what language

and what questions to be asked? It was the conception people with

Down's syndrome are always happy and things like that. Obviously, that

isn't the case. Everyone is an individual and everyone has their

own personality. It gave us some information about that. It made us

more aware of some of the issues people with Down's syndrome do

struggle with speech impediment, visual stuff and things like that.

It was very beneficial for the team to go through the training process.

They were very helpful in showing us we could start with simple tasks,

but people with down syndrome have different abilities and the

important thing was to try to stretch the person as they grow into

the role and grew more confident. Alfie has gone on to do so much more

than when he first joined us. What roles did you assign Alfie with when

he started? Once we designed the job specification, it fitted to come and

work with the facilities team, so we had structured tasks for him to do

throughout the day. That suited his personality so it was working

closely with my assistance, who would handle the incoming and

outgoing post. Alfie went on to take on more tasks working with the

friends of house team in the meeting room suite. -- front of house. We

wanted to guide him with what he was doing, but he grew so confident and

was doing these tasks on his own. Alfie, have you got a picture of

your team in this book? Yes. Can I have a look? Yes. Let's go back one

page, what is that? What is this task?

Why is it important for you to check the temperatures? Too warm. Nobody

wants it too warm, do they? Is that the team?

Who are these people? Those are the team he works closely with. He works

closely with Vicky. Going back to the temperature one, he has an

interest in James Bond and the temperature control in the office

for us, is what causes a few problems. The same in any office, it

is never just right. By visually putting the targets on the wall and

the temperature, it was one of your favourite tasks? Yes.

Made it fun for him as well as doing a vital job for us. Holly, how you?

Great. What have you won since we spoke to you? Medals. I won that

one. Congratulations. And then this one is for my bars. And then the

fold. Let's have a look, let's show the gold! -- for the vault. And then

this one, all around. All-round floor work. And this for my Fed.

Silver for beam, congratulations. What was it like, representing your

country? Fantastic, I'm proud of myself, really. So you should be.

What is the event like? Amazing, fantastic experience. How are you

since we last spoke, Otto? Great. Tell the audience about Samuel 613,

a film which you were involved in? About it is a film but I was in. I

have locks in my hair, and they made a mistake by chopping my fringe.

It was nominated for an award? For a BAFTA. How did that make you feel?

Honoured and proud. And I think he went to the BAFTA screening? Really

good. You are a in the cinema, watching yourself on screen? It was

really scary. I quite liked it, it was quite fun! Also, there is a film

project to make a film about your life? What is that like? It is quite

fun. It is a sombre mood -- it is a zombie movie. A horror film about

your life, with zombies in its?! Yes. Do you know any zombies? Some

of them are fast runners, some are very slow, some are a bit dopey, a

bit clumsy. Sounds fantastic. Right, let's read

some messages from people watching you. Simon on Twitter, it is good to

see this piece on people with learning different -- disabilities

having opportunities for employment. Great to see the use of

communication support. A couple of people are asking about the paid

work that Alfie is doing, can I ask the rate of pay? With Alfie at the

moment, we don't pay him because he is still in school, we were unable

to do anything about that. We were looking about whether we could do a

charitable donation to the Down's syndrome work programme.

Specifically for Alfie, because he was in school we could not pay. When

he leaves school, if he joins as then we would pay him. And their

prospects for your company and Alfie? Absolutely, we are talking to

the work fit programme about whether we employ someone permanently or we

act almost as training for people to come through regularly, get

experience and then go out with better prospect elsewhere. Jack says

this is well deserving of publicity. Barry, the work fit programme is

wonderful for getting people into work. Louis says nothing but

admiration for the company employing Alfie, I hope it goes from strength

to strength. Molly says Lavinia reported a on people with Down's

syndrome, that it with Down's syndrome, working with Down's

syndrome, raising awareness to help people find jobs is so vital. Thank

you for coming on the programme. Nice to see you. All the best,

Alfie. Good luck. Coming up, should Russian athletes

be allowed to compete in the Rio Olympics this summer? They were

banned from international competition after evidence of a

state-sponsored doping programme. It is being discussed in Monaco today

where they will make that decision. Now, are you for staying

in the EU, or leaving? There is talk of Project Fear, a

lack of further and passion or simply a struggle to get

information. Many people are still undecided.

Today the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby,

waded in on the subject saying people were entitled to fear

the impact migration could have on Britain

and that it was absolutely outrageous to condemn as racist

Two of the main players in opposite camps on the referendum debate

Both are out and about today, and Boris will be speaking

while we are on air, so we will bring you that.

Here's how they have set out their stage.

We are approaching one of the biggest decisions this

Whether to remain in a reformed European Union or to leave.

The choice goes to the heart of the kind of country we want to be

and the future that we want for our children.

This is about how we trade with neighbouring countries

to create jobs, prosperity and financial security

It is about how we co-operate to keep our people safe

I know there will be many passionate arguments over the months ahead.

Individual Cabinet ministers will have the freedom to campaign

My responsibility as Prime Minister is to speak plainly

about what I believe is right for the our country.

I do not think anybody could realistically claim that this

is fundamental reform of the EU or of Britain's relationships

It is my view that after 30 years of writing about this

I have a chance actually to do something.

I would like to see a new relationship based more

With much less of the supranational element.

That is where I am coming from and that is why I have decided

after a huge amount of heartache, because I did not want,

the last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron

or the Government, but after a great deal of heartache, I do not think

We can now talk to a group of undecided voters

We have Kerry Gadd is in Somerset, who's a receptionist for her local

YMCA, but says she is leaning towards an exit vote.

How are you? All right, and yourself? Good, thank you.

Jarel Robinson-Brown in Cardiff, who's a priest.

He's undecided but leaning towards a stay in vote.

And Dionne Barrington in Swindon, a mum of three who is simply

As you can see, one of them is there. Hello, how old is your baby?

Eight weeks. Congratulations. You are simply undecided, not really

leaning in any direction. Thank you all for coming on the programme. Why

are you undecided, Kerry? Because I haven't really been keeping up with

the news as I have been lately, so I really don't really know much about

what is actually going on. But what I've been reading recently, I have

been leaning towards more back sitting the EU rather than staying.

Where are you doing your reading and research? Of course I am reading it

all online through the website itself, making sure that I always

look at reliable sources and, yeah, I am leaning more towards leaving

because I believe that it could... I think it could raise the economy are

little more with Britain itself, but I'm undecided still. Jarel, what do

you think you need to know to make your decision? I want to know,

really, how is the economy going to be affected, and how would it affect

both me and my local community? That is what I am struggling to find out

in any clear way from our politicians. Politicians on both

sides are getting and says about what will happen to Britain's

economy, the answers are pretty much diametrically opposed. Absolutely.

It seems that both sides are talking about freedoms we will gain and

freedoms we have lost. They are both using the same reasons for their

documents, which I find bizarre. You will just have too make a judgment

call nearer the time. -- same reasons for their argument. I hope

that things come clearer as time goes on, but I am struggling at the

moment. Our politicians the only voices you are listening to? It was

interesting to hear the Archbishop of Canterbury today. I am a

Methodist minister so here's not my leader, if you like, but it was

interesting to hear his reflections. Obviously he is not telling anybody

what to do, he says it is not his role to advise people how to vote,

he says we do not know how God would votes. But the fear is that people

have had, I think the line between rational fear and rational theory is

quite slim, and I am not always sure that I agree on that topic. Dionne,

you support Ukip that are genuinely undecided. What issues are you

important to -- are imported to you as you continue considering your

decision? I want to be happy with the votes that I cast for the

Britain that my children will be living in. In ten years' time my

daughter will be almost 19, will she be able to get a job or a mortgage?

These are the things that David Cameron says will be affected, Boris

Johnson says there will be a shock and a quick recovery. I am trying to

look that he was being truthful and who has the best ideas. So the

economy is a big one for you. Kerry, what is important for you?

Definitely more than one issue. Jobs, in my opinion, is the top

topic. I have been job searching for a very long time, since last year.

Ever since I got onto jobseeker's allowance. It is definitely hard to

find jobs and I would like to see, if we decided to leave, if more job

opportunities would open towards British citizens. OK. Does that mean

you are thinking that perhaps the level of migration is a concern for

you in terms of you getting a job and other British citizens?

Definitely. I genuinely feel that way. OK. Are you definitely going to

vote, Dionne? Yes. I would like to say yes, unless I get to a week

before and I am still completely undecided. I think we need to see a

lot more of the passionate arguments that David Cameron says we will see

before any of us make our minds up 100%, I don't think we have all the

evidence. As a supporter of Ukip, your party would say you should vote

to leave? I think it is silly to blindly follow what somebody says

without looking at the evidence and making up your own mind. Jarel, do

you believe that you will get the fact that you are looking for by the

end of June? I hope so. I know you hope so, but do you think so? I am

not confident, actually. What do you make of the debate so far? Very

poor. I find a lot of the language used now is almost so difficult to

understand that it keeps us ordinary human beings out of the

conversation. Of the people in poor areas in Britain who are quite

fearful about borders and their controls, they might not understand

the arguments and they might be fearful about employment but do not

necessarily have the ability to engage with politicians are now

level. That is a very good point about the language in terms, the way

everyone is communicating. What would you say, Kerry? I would

definitely agree with what Jared has just said. Looking at the reports

and what politicians have said, some of the words, even I had trouble

understanding. Yeah, I think it needs to be more at our level so we

have a better understanding of what they are trying to get across.

Really good to talk to you all for the first time. We will follow you

over the next few months if you are happy for us to. Thank you so much,

Kerry, Jarel and Dionne. Thank you. Let's get the latest

weather update with Carol. The fog will take some time to clear

through parts of Hampshire and the spine of England. When it does we're

looking at Sunshine but until then, stubborn cloud. Through the

afternoon we carry on with bright and sunny skies across southern

England. Thick cloud across the South East and East Anglia. As we

drift towards central parts of the Midlands we back into the sunshine,

as we are in northern parts of England. It will turn cloudy in the

east and the South, head of this band of rain. Through the day, the

rain will continue to push across Northern Ireland, brightening up

with showers behind. A beautiful day in prospect across Wales with

variable amounts of cloud. As we had through the evening and overnight,

rain continues to push southwards any shuts getting into northern

England. Under some clearer skies, particularly in the south there will

be frost and patchy fog, but not as extensive as this morning. Tomorrow,

the rain is still with us. Moving out of Northern Ireland. Not

particularly heavy. Cloud building as it pushes further south. At the

lion's shelled the sunshine will be in the south and the far south-east.

On Sunday, for most it will be dry. Temperatures 11, 12, possibly as

high as 14 for some. Hello it's Friday, it's 10:00,

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, If you've just joined us,

coming up before 11:00. We've been hearing from women

about the unwanted sexual attention they've suffered in public places

and asking why something so common I feel like women don't think

and men, don't think that And it is and you're not alone,

and you can think, have I done something to warrant this

behaviour towards me? You haven't and it's not acceptable,

you're a person who doesn't deserve to be getitng touched up or worse

when you're on public transport, out in shops, it happens so often,

and people just don't think it's a normal thing to report it

and it is, it should be. Victoria tweeted to say,

"My 18 year-old daughter had her breasts fondled

on a packed tube by old man. She begged me not to report it

as she was embarrassed." Please continue to get in touch

with your experiences and you can see the full discussion on our

programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria. Russian athletes were banned

from international competition after evidence of a

"state-sponsored" doping programme. We'll find out today

if they're allowed to compete Is the government failing to protect

whistle-blowers in the NHS and other large organisations? We will hear

one doctor's story. The Archbishop of Canterbury,

Justin Welby, has said it's "absolutely outrageous" to label

as racist, people who raise In a magazine interview,

he said fear was a valid emotion given the scale of the migrant

crisis - and public concerns had Tony Blair has urged those

campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

of the fervour displayed by their opponents

in the referendum. Downing Street and the White House

insist there's still a strong special relationship

between Britain and the US - despite unexpected criticism

from President Obama. He said David Cameron had become

distracted after the military intervention in Libya,

and the North African country had Owners of tumble dryers requiring

repairs in a fire safety campaign are being told they must wait 11

months for their appliance In November, Whirlpool,

the owner of the Hotpoint, Indesit and Creda brands,

revealed the massive repair campaign And Japan marks the fifth

anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that left more

than 18,000 people dead or missing. A ceremony has been held in Tokyo

with a minute's silence. John Watson has the sport now,

and all the fallout from last night's game between Liverpool

and Manchester United. It's advantage Liverpool

after they beat Manchester United 2-0 in the first leg

of their Europa League tie at Anfield - a defeat which prompted

yet more criticism of manager Goals in each half -

the first a penalty from Daniel Sturridge and a second

from Roberto Firmino - has put the Reds firmly in control

of the tie heading into the second This was the first time

the two teams had met Jurgen Klopp called it

the mother of all games, but on TV last night former players

Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes picked on United's performance

calling disjointed and shambolic, something Van Gaal

was not keen to discuss. You don't give your own opinion,

and then you use Rio Ferdinand's You've already used another person

to ask the question. Tottenham's European adventure looks

over after they were heavily beaten in Germany, losing 3-0

to Borussia Dortmund. Both teams are second

in their respective leagues, but the gap in class was clear

as Marco Reus scored twice Mauricio Pochettino choosing

to leave key players on the bench Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova

must accept headband and added his surprise that the racket supplier,

head have offered to stand by the Russian. Good news for Laura Robson,

who made a return after 18 months out with a wrist injury. Although

she lost in straight sets this, she said she hadn't felt any pain in her

wrist for a couple of months and intends to play at full clay-court

season. The countdown is on for England's match against Wales at

Twickenham tomorrow, which could determine the destination of the

title. Eddie Jones was back talking to the media as he prepares to face

off against Warren Gatland. The first time the two teams have faced

each other since Wales beat England in the World Cup.

I have done a lot of media since I have come here and it was a good

chance to take a backward step and think about how we go forward in

terms of the media. The media is an important part of

the team. We look at how we can strategise the media. We haven't

even spoken about the World Cup and what happened. It was a great

performance, to then get out of the group. But we feel we are in better

shape now than reversed the World Cup. There is a lot of confidence in

this team and the guys have been training really well and we are

treating Saturday as a final. Kick-off is at 4pm tomorrow at

Twickenham. And that is all the sport now.

Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us, we're on BBC Two and the BBC

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The IAAF, the International Association of Athletics Federations

is meeting today to discuss whether to re-admit Russian athletes

The Russians were banned from international competition back

in November after a report detailed what it called a "state-sponsored"

doping programme that had sabotaged the 2012 Olympics in London.

To give you a sense of the scale of doping in 2012 take

This is what final standings of the women's 1500m now looks

like without those who've tested positive for performance enhancing

As you can see, it's not just the Russians that have a doping

Athletes from across the world were disqualified.

Some, like Tatyana Tomashova, had already served doping bans

before the race had taken place, while others,

like Turkey's Asli Cakir Alptekin had to hand back her gold

And this is the final standings of the women's 800 metres that year.

The Gold and Bronze medallists, Russian runners, Mariya Savinova

and Eekaterina Poistogova, have since been recommended

for life-time bans by the World Anti Doping Agency.

Do you think because you still hold the world record that still stands

by a whole three minutes, it has led to your integrity sometimes? People

have said to me, do you regret running that time

because it is extremely fast. It means people are looking at it

with some suspicion. Now I don't, the whole point of my career is to

see what I could do. I wanted to get to the end and say,

that is the best I was capable of doing. Our recommendation is that

the Russian federation resuspended. -- be suspended.

The issue we now have two come front is what is it we need to put in

place? Some of that is already underway. And it means we never

return to this horror show again. So, do the Russians

deserve a second chance? Should the IAAF meeting today

readmit them in time to compete Let's talk to two British atheltes -

Jo Pavey is a British long-distance runner and has represented

Great Britain in every She missed out on a medal to a doper

at the World Championships in 2007 Also Jenny Meadows the British

800m runner who has spent the best part of her career

competing against Mariya Savinova, Also Jenny Meadows the British

800m runner who has a Russian athlete who's now arguably

the face of Russia's doping scandal, an Olympic,

world and European champion who is one of five athletes to have

been recommended for lifetime bans Jenny is hoping to be part of Team

GB at the Rio Olympics this summer. readmit Russian athletes in time the

Rio? There shouldn't be any time frame on it. We have reports the

Russian Federation is still in denial and not doing enough.

We need to be sure they are following the criteria set out for

them and they are able to follow rules set out by the IAAF. It feels

like they are not quite doing enough, but we need to see what the

meeting finds. If they are not found to be compliant enough and there is

still a lot of work to do, we cannot risk any

athletes cheating on the start line. Even though, there are some who say

the ban is unfair against those Russian athletes

who do play by the rules and who are clean? I agree with that, it is

unfair. My heart goes out to those Russian athletes who work hard to

try to fulfil their dreams. Even if it is only a very few, it is

still awful that situation could arise. I

know how I would feel if I was in that situation. We hope things can

be changed in the future. The bubbly at this stage, we might have to take

strict measures to make sure the majority of clean athletes are

protected. But I agree, it is a sad situation that has

happened to the clean athletes. Jenny, how many medals do you feel

you have missed out because of cheating by Mariya Savinova and

other athletes? It is heartbreaking and hard to put a number on it. One

of my medals has been changed. It was a silver on the day. I faced a

lot of anguish, wondering what I had done wrong in that race. It has been

upgraded to a gold medal. I was the only clean athlete on the podium

that day. We are talking about fifth place person who should have been on

the podium. You never get those moments back. Three of the medals I

have got, I do think they are the wrong colour and I think I should

have another three or four as well, from previous championships where I

finished in fourth or fifth and been denied the moment. It is not just on

the day it affects, it affects a lot of things. Sponsorship, funding and

subsequent years, how well you can do.

Is there anything that sticks in your memory from those races, any

incidents you recall that made you suspicious? There are probably two

or three moments in my career. The first one was the race I just

described in Paris at the European indoor Championships, I finished

second in that race, it was amazing to be a European silver medallist,

but I went into the race as hot favourites, and I really could not

sleep that night, I was scratching my head, what should I have done,

what did I do wrong? The World Championships in 2011 was another

incident, there were three Russians in the race, two of which have been

banned since. I did not make the final, I came ninth. 12 months until

2012, I was thinking, what can I do to get into the final before trying

to make the podium? I really pushed my body a lot. I started training a

little bit harder, not recovering as much as I should have, just

thinking, I am not making the grade, I should change my training and my

tactics. I have suffered quite a lot of injuries since then, I was trying

to do the training that I presumed the Russian athlete, with three of

them being in the final, most do, I was probably working towards

achieving something that was not possible without taking performance

enhancing drugs, which I did not know at the time. Jo Pavey, what is

it like now to realise that you missed out on a medal because

somebody who was cheating beat you? Absolutely devastating. It happened

to me at the World Championships, I gave it my all, it was such a hot

day. I gave everything I had. I empathise with Jenny, I felt like I

had given everything, what had I done wrong? I felt I was letting

everyone down because I was in the medal position until I got to the

line and I could not do enough. It should have been a moment in my

career when I could have celebrated a world medal, but like Jenny I

felt, what more could I have done, how could I change my training and

gets better? In the future, you realise that you should have been

proud to be on the podium, it should not have been a day of

disappointment. I can never get that time back. I agree with Jenny, you

feel like you have failed, in the future you realise you were getting

things right but the way that the cheats were taking these drugs was

making you feel like you were failing on the day. You can never

get those moments back. There are so many aspects, like Jenny mentioned,

missing the moments, missing the sponsorship, pushing yourself so

hard in training. You look at it with frustration, but you have to

remember the lovely lifestyle moments. I have had a great career

in sport, we need to be tough on this board so we can have a bright

future and supporter youngsters coming through. Jenny, should the

IAAF readmit Russian athletes in time for the Rio Olympics? Oblak I

don't think so, I don't think they can get their act together that

quickly. There was another documentary on this week, it said

that some of the band athletes and coaches are training every day and

they do not think they have listened to all the measures that have been

put in place. In short, no, I don't think they can have done enough. I

don't think people lining up on the start line against athletes wearing

the Russian vest will have confidence that it is a level

playing field. In terms of your preparations to try to get to Rio,

how are they going? Good, always hard. The weather is getting nicer,

which is easier, we're not contending with the wind and rain as

much. Feeling very optimistic. Thank you, Jenny Meadows. And good to talk

to you, Jo Pavey, thank you. Coverage on the outcome of the IAAF

meeting, I don't think they will make a decision today, that a

decision at some point over whether Russia will be readmitted before

Rio. On 11th March 2011, Japan was struck

by one of the most powerful It caused a giant wave out at sea,

called a tsunami, which grew Half an hour after the quake,

the tsunami hit the north-east coast of the country, destroying

everything in its path. Today, five years on from that

terrible day, ceremonies have been taking place to mark

the disaster and remember those Hinako was one of the children whose

life changed forever that day, Today in this Japanese town, life is

returning to normal. But one girl who will never forget what happened

that day is Hinako. TRANSLATION: I was sitting somewhere around here

when we felt the quake. At first I did not think it would either be,

but soon I realised it would be huge. We all went under desks to

protect ourselves, but the desks were shifting under windows were

broken. We all knew the earthquake would not be as small as the ones we

were used to. This is the room that Hinako and her friends witnessed the

tsunami wave rising and rising, it was quite fast and high.

TRANSLATION: It was shocking to see the seats of swings floating in the

water, rising up high enough to cover the whole slide. I wondered if

I was outside at this very moment, what would happen to me?

Hinako took us to wear her old house used to be. No one in the house was

killed, but this empty spot is all that remains.

This was where your home used to be. Can you tell us what happened?

TRANSLATION: Ever since I was born I lived in this house with my mum, dad

and big sister. She was alone at home when the soon army hit the

house. She ran to our neighbour and saw the car being washed away by the

soon army. She insisted she never wanted to live around here again,

that is why we decided to leave the area.

My school friends help the after the difficult times following the

tsunami. I have many friends know, I feel very lucky.

The father of Becky Watts, the Bristol teenager murdered by her own

step mother, says that if the death sentence was available for her

killers he would pull the lever himself. He told Newsnight he felt

deceived and shocked by his stepson Nathan Matthews, who was convicted

of Becky Watts' murder. Matthew's girlfriend Shauna Hoare was found

guilty of manslaughter. He was speaking after the publication of

his book in which he writes about the guilt he feels of not seeing the

signs that something was going badly wrong in his family unit. He told

Kirsty Wark of Nathan and Shauna 's reaction when it first became clear

that Becky was missing. Not an inkling of guilt or anything,

nothing happened. I think it was the family liaison

officer who said to you, they are being questioned, you were

disbelieving? I just could not believe it. I thought it was the

normal thing, nine times out of ten it is someone they know. And then it

now turns out that Nathan and Shauna were in the house, and in the car

right side was Becky's body. 12 feet away from where I was sat, her body

was in the back of the car and they did not even know it.

And then they ordered a Chinese takeaway? Yeah. In the book, you say

that in court you heard the council say that two years earlier, Becky

had told a friend that Nathan had described in graphic detail how he

plans to kill her. Yeah. That was the first we heard of it, in court.

I I think what I am struggling to understand, it would have been

terrifying, apparently he told her several times in graphic detail. I

don't understand why she did not come to us. You are the parents of

both the murdered and the murderer. Do you ever think of Nathan as your

son now? No, no, I can't. People often ask me about how I feel about

Nathan after what he did. Of course, I still love him, he is my son. When

you are remotely you cannot ignore the unconditional love for your

children, no matter with what they do. How do you deal with Angie's

continuing love for Nathan? That is a bit of a sore subject for me. And

she tends not to mention it now. I understand that, you know,

unconditional love for an infant, it is fine, but not when they had

turned into a monster. I can't get my head around that. If it was on

the other foot and Danny was the monster, I would have real problems

showing him any love or affection. Your own son? My own biological son,

yeah. I would find that very difficult after something so heinous

has been done by them, you know? Do you still want him dead? If they

were going to hang him, I would pull the lever so no one else would have

to carry the guilt. Darren Galsworthy talking to Kirsty

Wark on Newsnight. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

is about to outline new economic plans ahead of the Budget next week.

He promises that any future Labour government will balance the books by

matching the day-to-day spending with the amount it raises in taxes.

We know now from the world central bank that the world economy is

looking at stagnation and there needs to be a new rule. We want

people to have confidence in a Labour government, meaning we are

introducing a new fiscal credibility rule. First, that a Labour

government will always balance day-to-day expenditure. Second, we

will only borrow for the long-term. That means investment in, the homes

that we need, railways, homes, renewable energy and new technology

to grow the economy. Third, debt will fall under a Labour government

over a five-year period. Finally, all this will be supervised

independently by the Office for Budget Responsibility, reporting

directly to Parliament. It is a new iron discipline for a Labour

government. That speak to our political

correspondent Eleanor Ghani. This is really important for Labour, voters

judge they were not economic the credible before the last election?

Exactly. Labour know they have a big problem when it comes to economic

credibility and add knowledge it was something they could not be the

Conservatives on in the 20 15th general election, it is something

that their own report into what went wrong during the general election

said they could not win the argument on the economy. So they are trying

to put their best foot forward and prove that if labour, John McDonnell

and Jeremy Corbyn were in charge of the economy, it would be in safe

hands. We're hearing about something called the fiscal credibility rule,

something that will be new. They are going to say that any Labour

government will try to balance day-to-day spending with the amount

it raises in taxes. That is the deficit, the amount you get, the

amount you want to spend every day, compared to the taxes you are

getting in. They are saying this is a response double way, they will

only borrow to invest in things like transport, the roads, trains et. It

will be difficult for Labour to win the battle, because on the one hand

they want to show they will deal with the deficit and the economy in

a way that looks responsible, on the other side they have to convince all

those hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and others who

have supported Jeremy Corbyn 's anti-austerity stands that they are

doing what they elected him to do. It will be a difficult argument for

Labour to balance and get right, but that is why he is setting out his

stall just five days ahead of George Osborne's Budget next week on it

will be a big argument as to whether Labour can regain some of that

credibility on the economy. Thank you, Alan Ghani at

Westminster. We will dip into John McDonnell in the next half-hour was

so. -- half hour or so. Next this morning, Britain has

always had what's known as a special relationship with America

because of our close political, cultural, economic

and military ties. But it's come under strain

because President Obama has openly criticised David Cameron

over his actions in Libya. Speaking to an American magazine,

the US President said Britain and France allowed the country

to become a mess after military David Cameron and the then French

president Nicolas Sarkozy jointly celebrated with the Libyans

in the eastern city of Benghazi in September 2011 after leading

western air strikes, saving the city and helping bring

down the ruthless dictator Colonel Colonel Gaddafi said he would happen

to you down like rats, but you showed the courage of lions, and we

salute your courage. And President Obama says Cameron

took his eye off the ball after becoming distracted

by other things. Obama also criticises our defence

spending and complains about free So are they both as close

as they would like us to believe? We can speak now to the former

Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Thank you for talking to us. What do

you make of this attack by Obama on Cameron? I am not sure he thought of

himself as making an attack, it is part of a long interview. The two

quite proper points you have made were incidental in a wider

reminiscence about his time as president. Dealing with the

substance of what he said, it is perfectly reasonable to say that the

West as a whole has not given sufficient attention to Libya since

the fall of Gaddafi. It is a bit rich of President Obama to single

out Britain and France and not include the United States. The

United States was also involved in the military dimer and, US Tomahawk

missiles were used to larger tax on Gaddafi 's forces -- in the military

dimensional. The US gave military support to the UK and French as

strikes. If there is criticism, looking at your own action is

sometimes appropriate. It was the French president and the

British Prime Minister who were there telling Libya, we will stand

with you as you build your democracy and the country for the future? We

have done so. Really? Absolutely. There has been diplomatic support in

trying to bring the warring sides in Libya together. External countries,

as we have seen in Iraq and elsewhere, cannot dictate to local

people who they make their alliances with and whether they live in peace

with their fellow citizens. There has been substantial involvements,

but I do acknowledge the international community, in which I

include the United States, could have given more priority to Libya

and not been preoccupied entirely with Syria and Iraq and Islamic

State. What is the solution? In Libya? Libya has a very small

population living in a vast territorial area. People along the

northern coastline of Libya come from different tribal backgrounds.

During the whole kernel Qaddafi dictatorship, which lasted 30 years,

it was a personal dictatorship. He refused local democracy and local

involvement in the governance of their own country. So you had a

vacuum when he fell and it is taking a long time to build the

foundations. Even the foundations didn't exist of a modern, more

successful of a co-operative Society. Modern extremists are

trying to exploit that. Many of these extremists are expats, they

are not even Libyans trying to get opportunities from the internal

difficulties. Thank you for coming on the programme.

Coming up in the last half hour of the programme.

Is the Government failing to protect whistleblowers in the NHS

The most senior cleric in the Anglican church has warned

against condemning people who fear the impact of large-scale

Archbishop Justin Welby said people were entitled to fear the impact

of large numbers of migrants on their communities.

Tony Blair has urged supporters of the European Union

to argue their case with passion, vigour and determination.

The former Prime Minister said that wanting to stay in wasn't just

better for the rich or privileged, but also for ordinary people

Downing Street and the White House insist there's still a strong

'special relationship' between Britain and the US -

despite unexpected criticism from President Obama.

He said David Cameron had become distracted after the military

intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

People across Japan have bowed their heads in memory

of the 18,000 victims of the catastrophic earthquake

and tsunami which devastated the country's north east coast five

John Watson has the sport headlines now, and it was quite a night

It's advantage Liverpool after they beat Manchester United

2-0 in the first leg of their Europa League tie

at Anfield - a defeat which prompted yet more criticism of manager

Tottenham's European adventure looks over after they were heavily beaten

in Germany, losing 3-0 to Borussia Dortmund.

Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova must accept hairband and is

surprised the rocket manufacturer, head has vowed to stand by her. He

said he has only been drug tested twice this season, which isn't

enough. And Eddie Jones has brought an end to his self-imposed media

ban, explaining he had opted not to speak in the run-up to the six

Nations match with Wales because he wanted to take a backward step from

the press. Not that he will want his team to do that on the pitch. That

is all the sport for now. The Government has failed to do

enough to protect and encourage whistleblowers to come forward,

a group of MPs is warning today. The House of Commons Public Accounts

Committee says it's "disappointed by the lack of urgency shown

in dealing with this important topic" and demanded more be done

to drive through changes. In a previous report from two years

ago, the committee said whistleblowers "have been

shockingly treated", and warned that attempts

by government departments to improve their policies had failed

"in modifying a bullying culture". Let's hear from an NHS

whistleblower. DR Raj Mattu, a cardiologist

who worked at Walsgrave Hospital in Coventry, was sacked in 2010

after revealing that two patients had died in dangerously overcrowded

bays nine years previously. An employment tribunal ruled

that he had been unfairly dismissed and he was eventually awarded

?1.2 million in damages by hospital Also with us, David Mowat

the Conservative MP for Warrington South, who sits

on the Public Accounts Committee What happened to you? Coventry is my

hometown and I was asked to go back there after spending time in

London to help set the new medical school of Art Warwick University.

The first thing that struck me was the managers in the hospital were

not there for the same reasons most clinicians are, patient safety were

not the priority and they were too busy chasing their careers and

government targets. As I started raising concerns about safety and

under resourcing, they fell on deaf ears initially. When an independent

enquiry by the commission for health improvement showed us to have an

excessive death rate of 60%, almost chip, the trust denied that any

patients had been put at risk. I felt compelled to go on BBC TV to

describe the two depths I knew of in relation to overcrowding. How were

you treated after that? It was a brutal and dirty campaign

to discredit me and distract from the whistle-blowing issues I raised,

to focus more on me in the hope that if they discredited me, the

whistle-blowing could be smothered and forgotten about. That, sadly,

has happened. What impact did it have on you? It affected my

health. I have suffered autoimmune problem. My wife and I

delayed getting married. The normal milestones and things people

enjoyed, we were prevented from doing. Each year they crept further

and further and I had one of the most expensive suspensions in the

NHS of five and a half years. Then they held a disciplinary process

in my absence and dismissed me. They took 200 cases to the GMC, hoping

one would stick so they could hold it against me. Fortunately for me

the GMC did not uphold any one of them. Apart from keeping me out of

work for so long, they have prevented patients from the care I

would have provided. It is an estimated ?14 million plus trying to

deal with me. By becoming a skilled, I am at the mercy of Jeremy Hunt,

the secretary of state and the chief of the NHS, to intervene and put

right, finally, the damage that has been done from me doing the right

thing and speaking out for the public.

David from the Public Accounts Committee,

been done to encourage and protect whistle-blowers, could this happen

again? The story you have just heard is an

awful story and it is the reason two years ago, the Public Accounts

Committee looked at this. He asked, could it happen again?

It could, I suppose. We need to put in processes, procedures and culture

that stops it happening, or makes it

unlikely. How much has changed since your last

report? As you said at the start, we have reviewed how far the

government have got at implementing what we

said two years ago. We were disappointed at the pace of change.

There was a task group in Whitehall set up to make

this institutionalised. It has met once in 18 months.

It is not adequate. There is not enough evidence all departments are

taking this seriously. There is still no evidence the

government has extended their policies into, if you like,

a lot of public services. We would like to see action on all of these

things. Because the story we have In the meantime, what is the

incentive for people to go to their losses and say, this isn't

worried about, it isn't right for patient safety and it seems

dangerous to me? The incentive is people have tried

to do the right thing. It is a professional

position they take. It is not about incentives, it is

about ensuring, having had those complaints, the organisation doesn't

just say, we are going to get rid of you, it says we are going to

necessarily in a way that makes other people blame other people, but

address them and get them fixed. hasn't been the case, it is about

culture, defensiveness and it is about people not doing their jobs

properly. Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary,

they have talked about getting rid of the culture of fear and blame.

Talked about this week about NHS staff not facing any

prosecution, for example. There would be

immunity for people who raised concerns or issues about patient

safety, for example. But the culture has got a long way

to go hasn't it? First of all, all whistle-blowers

the report the Public Accounts Committee have come up with.

Unfortunately, it reinforces what we have been

saying as whistle-blowers, in all walks of life. We have been calling

for a very long time, and I think the report reinforces this. I think

it is to have a national office of the

whistle-blower, which takes responsibility, not just in the

health service, but for whistle-blowing in general. The

committee reported on senior civil servants felt they couldn't go

outside what they are presently doing in

government departments, because ability or the know-how on how to do

it. If they set up a national office of which the NHS would form one arm,

it would stop protecting the public for the first time.

The concerns I have raised and hundreds of the whistle-blowers have

raised, never get investigated. So valuable

lessons to improve to make sure it doesn't happen to somebody else are

lost. Focus becomes the whistle-blower and the destruction

of the whistle-blower. We have hundreds of people who are

whistle-blowers, very skilled people who have no role in the NHS, because

it will not re-employ them. I urge

those in charge to redeploy that skill set to help solve the problem

the committee has highlighted and engage

them to become part of the solution and not stigmatise them as traitors.

Thank you both very much. We have a statement from the University

hospital of Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust. It is a

sick difficult reduction from the original claim and has finally

resolve this matter. We accept it has been difficult for all involved

and are relieved this case has now been brought to an end.

The youngest chairman in British football has told Newsbeat his age

has not stopped him getting respect in the game.

David Sharpe was just 23 when he took charge

of League One Wigan and he wasn't afraid to quickly

He sacked their manager Malky McKay after just a month in the job.

David took over from his Grandad Dave Whelan at the DW

BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Mike Williams spent a match

COMMENTATOR: Wigan having a cracking season.

A year ago this weekend, the chairman of Wigan,

Dave Whelan, handed over the reins of this club

And I think he's just arrived here now.

Less than two months after David took over the club,

But the 2013 FA Cup winners are now fighting to get back promoted

to the Championship at the first attempt.

A couple of years ago I was probably going out more and enjoying myself

more, now I have to be careful as to how you live your life.

But, I mean, I'm a single lad so I do enjoy a night out every now

and again, but it is different when I do,

no, there's people know who you are and they all want to be

mates with you for the wrong reasons, so I keep my group

A lot of people think, how can a 23-year-old

run a football club, but what people forget is that

people are in football clubs these days who have never watched

a game in their life, even when they buy it

In terms of football experience, I've got a lot more

What would you say to those fans who might say that your grandad

is the one who still really pulling the strings?

He's been in Barbados for four months and he dropped his phone

in the sea, so he's definitely not pulling the strings!

He obviously calls me after a game if we win and says well done,

he's a hard-working guy, he's a businessman.

He puts his work first but his family means a lot to him.

When my dad passed away, we pulled in close as a family

and he's a special guy and I love him, yes.

And to talk about your life just supporting Wigan,

It wasn't just because my grandad owned the club, I was born in Wigan,

so I was a mascot when I was younger, my little brother was even

a mascot at Wembley when we won the club.

We will all in the royal box and I think we were the only people

to have ever done shots in the Royal box.

We did a couple. What sort of music is on your pre-match playlist? I

love R and deep house, nothing in between. That is probably not normal

for a chairman. Post-season trip to Ibiza for the players if they get

promoted? No comment. With kick-off approaching, David

heads for his pre-match prep, while the players get ready to take to the

pitch. With just a couple of minutes to go

before kick-off, the players are out on the pitch. David has sorted me

out with a Wigan athletic scar. He could not get me in the direct does

box, but he has got me a ticket for the main stand. -- the directors

box. The Wigan keeper just took a pretty

bad knock on the goal-line. He has been taken off, and with just 20

minutes gone Wigan are making a substitution, bringing on their

substitute goalie. Despite having lost their last five

matches, Peter Brett starts strongly and have Wigan on the back foot. --

Peterborough starts strongly. The first 25 minutes of the second top

do not look much better, but then finally... Wigan score!

Finally a breakthrough for Wigan after 71 minutes. They are a goal in

front and on the way to victory. Home side celebrations are short

lived. Over the wall, curling it in! Madison has equalised! A corner to

Wigan, will this be the breakthrough? No.

The visitors are controversially denied a late penalty, so it ends

1-1, but the fanzine reasonably happy. -- the fans seem. Not that

great, but another point closer. Dave Sharpe is a good chairman,

everything is good. What is so good? He is ambitious and you're like the

squad, he has had that velocity from the beginning. -- ambitious and

young. He has always wanted a young team, hungry back for promotion,

they could fire roasted the Championship, and then where? I'm

lucky. A free kick came from nowhere. But they are not a bad

team. That is a point gained. Promotion is the main game, you

cannot throw too much money at it and leave the club vulnerable, so

you need to create and by young players, and have experienced ones

around to nurture them. Once you get a winning habit, it is hard to give

up. Thank you so much for your time, mate. Best of luck for the rest of

the season. Let's see yourself eat, have a look. Will you get an album?

I have them on my wall! There goes the Peterborough bus, a

big match at the DW Stadium. It is clear that Dave is a very popular

chairman, there is a lot of love for him, he is hands-on and the fans

react it did not work out today against Peterborough, but if they

get promotion back to the Championship, it will be a job

perfectly well done for David in his first year in charge.

You can share that film online. We have been talking about sexual

harassment, being groped and sexually assaulted in public. In

public transport, gigs, clubs, the street. So many of you experience

this. We will talk to a couple of you as you got into it in a moment.

Fight a few of you feel it is not taken seriously by bosses or the

police, almost two thirds of women in the UK say they have been a

victim of it. I feel like women, and men, don't

think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

think oh, have I done something to warrant this behaviour towards me,

you have not. It is not acceptable. You are a person who does not

deserve to be touched up or worse on public transport in the shops. It

happened so often and people just don't think it is a normal thing to

report it, and it is, it should be. That was Jessica Brady, who was

assaulted on the tube last year. Let's talk to 22-year-old Olivia

from Guildford in Surrey, and 28 year macro Natalie from Southwark in

south London. Good morning, both. Natalie, let's start with you, what

happened a couple of years ago? A couple of years ago I was on the

train and I noticed that someone was basically masturbating at me. On the

train. What did you do? I called the police almost immediately. First of

all, I said to the person, I can see what you're doing, it's disgusting,

get off the train. And they did. I immediately called the police and

the police were really good. They took it seriously, obviously. Yeah,

a few months later the person was arrested and this eventually went to

court and the person was convicted. They work conducted of exposure. The

truck with a convicted of. I kind of felt like it was more than a case of

exposure, he was masturbating. I felt like there should be a separate

charge for those things. The experience of sitting there as he

did that, what impact did it have on you? It was awful, really. This

wasn't the first time this has happened to me. I have been victim

and witness to being masturbated at about a four or five times in my

lifetime, since the age of 15 to 26. I just think for one person to have

that experience so many times, it is a very depressing thing to have to

deal with, that being quite a common and frequent occurrence. And that is

just me. It is unbelievable, it is absolutely vital. Olivia, what about

yourself? -- it is absolutely Fed. I was on holiday in Greece, we work

coding, I was dancing on a platform, a man put his hand up my skirt and

touch my private regions before I could slap his hand away, which I

did eventually. There was a big crowd, so the staff could not really

do anything. I did not report it because I did not know him, I did

not know if he was English or Greek. I was really shocked, more shocked

than scared, to be honest. It is amazing but some people think that

is all right behaviour. Unbelievable. Is there something

about the apathy of a nightclub on holiday, I don't know, everyone has

had a few drinks? -- about the atmosphere of. I wonder if some

people think, yeah, this is what happens? It almost normalises it for

some people, even girls, they think it is OK to be touched like that,

the boy is drunk and the girl is wearing something provocative, maybe

dancing in a certain way, it sends out a signal to say I want this, but

if you have not said it, it is not OK. Natalie, the man charged with

exposure, what was the punishment? What happened to him? He wasn't put

on the sex offenders register, I know that, but there were certain

implications with the job that he was working in. I think it was

community service and a fine. He appealed and it had to go to court

again, and I had to give evidence again as a witness, which was an

awful thing to have to do, and to do it twice. He was convicted again and

had to pay a fine. Thank you both very much for talking to us, Natalie

in south London and Olivia in Surrey.

As we reported earlier, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is

outlining new economic plans for Labour ahead of the Budget next

week. He says he promises any future Labour Government would balance the

books by matching day-to-day spending with the amount it raises

in taxes. Speaking in London, he says Labour must rewrite the rules

to prove it can be trusted with the country's finances. The old rules

meant relying too much in tax revenue from financials that this is

an too much on expensive funding schemes like PFI. -- from financial

services. We did not do enough to clamp down on tax avoidance. Show

how we can account for every penny in tax revenue raised, and every

penny spent. There is nothing left-wing about an ever-increasing

Government debt or borrowing to cover day-to-day expenses. Borrowing

today is money to repay tomorrow. With a greater and greater

proportion of Government debt held by those in the rest of the world,

Government borrowing increasingly represents a net loss for those of

us living here. The public, quite rightly, one is a Government

responsible for its finances, and we in the Labour Party now have to show

them how we will act as a responsible guardian of those

finances. We should not be the Labour Party that only thinks about

how to spend. We are the party that thinks about how to earn money. The

clue is in our name. We are the party of labour, of the wealth

creators, technicians, designers, Sheena is, entrepreneurs, workers

and small businesses. We need to get back to the best of our tradition.

John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor. On Monday, an exclusive

interview with a British man convicted in the United States on

terrorism charges. Other Ahmed received a sentence of 12 and a half

years for providing support for the Taliban at a time when they were

harbouring Osama bin Laden. Watches full story for the first time on

Monday at 9:15am. -- watch his full story. Have a good weekend.