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Hello, it's Friday March 11th, it's 9:15am.

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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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Almost two thirds of women in the UK say they've had unwanted sexual

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Sexual harassment is a really everyday experience for so many

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women and girls. Whistling, staring. I could be in jeans and boots like

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today and it is, oh, sexy! We will speak to women who tell us

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that inappropriate sexual attention is an everyday experience.

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The former Prime Minister Tony Blair has called pro-EU campaigners

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to make their case with the same fervour shown by those

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We speak to voters across the UK who say they have no idea which way

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they're going to vote in June's referendum.

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We will introduce you to Alfie. He has Down's syndrome, and after

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coverage on this programme last year about how difficult it is for people

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with Down's syndrome to get paid work, he has a job. Here his

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inspiring story at 9:30am. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live on BBC Two and the BBC We'll keep you across the latest

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breaking and developing stories. Later we expect to hear

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from the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, who will outline

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a new economic policy for Labour. He's talking at around

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10:30 this morning. You can get in touch

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in the usual ways - If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. And, of course, you can watch

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the programme online wherever you are via the BBC News app

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or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. Being groped and sexually assaulted

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on public transport, gigs, clubs, even on the street. It is an issue

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that many of you experience and have told as it is not being taken see

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with Fiona. We want to hear your experiences. -- you have

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told us it is not being taken seriously enough.

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A YouGov survey suggests that almost two thirds of women in the UK have

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had unwanted sexual attention in public places.

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Out of 889 women asked, 35% said they'd specifically

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experienced - quote - unwanted sexual touching.

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This morning we'll hear from Jessica Brady from Middlesborough.

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In March last year she was sexually assaulted on the tube.

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Last month her attacker was jailed for nearly six months.

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She's decided to waive her right to anonymity to urge others to come

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It's something that the British Transport Police have been trying

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to raise awareness of in a new online campaign.

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The man in the grey suit is staring at you.

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90% of unwanted sexual behaviour on public transport goes unreported.

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You can report anything that makes you feel uncomfortable.

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Jessica Brady was assaulted on a tube in March last year.

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Rosie Solomon was sexually assaulted at a gig.

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Kafayat Okanlawon was groped on the bus when she was 14.

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Natsayi Sithole says she's been groped many times since her teens.

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They have waived their right to anonymity to talk to us this

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morning. Sarah Green is the director of End

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Violence Against Women Coalition. Jessica, if I may, tell us what

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happened to you on the tube? I was making my way home and a gentleman

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got on the tube and sat direct the opposite me. I was reading the time,

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he started staring manically at me and smiling. I was a little bit off

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guard but I carried on doing what I was doing, hoping he would stop

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looking at me, to be honest. Then he carried on the whole journey towards

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our destination stop. Then I stood up to get off the tube, he stood on

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my right hand side and put his hand on my bottom. Initially, I thought

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it was an accident, but as we got out of the

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train he followed me and started talking to me and continued to touch

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my bum and said, you have a very innocent face, do

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you understand what I'm saying? I like it. I was in shock. He

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continued to pursue me up the escalator. I went to the walking

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side of the escalator. He put his hand on my bottom for the duration

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of the journey up the escalator. Wow. Unbelievable, unbelievable.

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That is what I felt up the time, it did not feel

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could he have the audacity? I was not

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frightened, I was shocked, but after the event I started to feel,

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my goodness, what has happened? Did it occur to you to turn around and

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say, what the heck are you doing? Of course, but I thought he could have

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a knife or anything, it was quite late at night full stop at the time

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you did not personally know what to do. If I created a

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Even by me asking that question, it seems like I am putting the onus on

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you to stop it. I am not, I am just interested in your thought process.

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Did you think twice before reporting it? I went

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home, the first person I ran with my twice before reporting it? I went

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mum and I said, I have had a really awful

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experience on the tube. She said, did you report it? I thought, they

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will do nothing, I cannot prove what happened. She went, no, you are

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going to you, it has probably happen to lots of other women. I took it

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upon myself as a duty. How were you treated by the police? Fantastic,

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absolutely wonderfully. The first instance when I rang the actual

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police, they were fantastic and wanted to know everything that had

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gone on, they put me through to the British Transport Police and then in

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very quick succession I was taken in to give a statement, then it

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escalated from there. And Ilyas Firah from tooting was ultimately

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jailed for 24 weeks. What did you think of that? Yeah. Obviously I was

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overjoyed, I thought it was a great result. Not what I expected, to be

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honest. I did not think he would get as long as he did, but I am happy

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that he did, because it is not acceptable what he did. I felt quite

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cross after it all, I felt, how have you made me go through this? It was

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anger at first, how dare you? But, ultimately, he got what he deserved,

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so I am happy. You have waived your right to anonymity to speak about

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this national to, why? Because I feel like women, and men, don't

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think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

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think, oh, have I done something to warrant his behaviour towards me?

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You haven't. It is not acceptable, you are a person who does not

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deserve to be getting touched up or worse when you are on public

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transport or in the shops. It happened so often, people don't

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think it is normal to reported, and it is, it should be.

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Well done. Let's be bringing our other guests, Sarah Greene, you say

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that sexual harassment is an everyday experience for many women?

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The YouGov survey we have published as a really stark finding that,

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younger women across the country, aged 18 to 24, 85% have experienced

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unwanted sexual harassed in public places, we are talking about making

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sexual suggestions and,, shouting at women, sitting closely, staring at

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women, indecent exposure. Almost half of this age group has

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experienced unwanted physical contact of a sexual nature, be it

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so-called groping, which is a very belittling term, and so much more.

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It is important that we really get to grips with the scale of this and

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we acknowledge what we have found, women commonly first experiences as

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quite young travellers or people in public. Girls commonly experience

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this behaviour from adult men on school journeys, for example,

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younger women experience it in public places and high streets all

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the time and are perfectly familiar with it by the time they are 21 stop

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it is from a young age, and that matters. People are very unlikely to

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intervene. We asked, did anybody intervene when it happened, only one

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in ten said someone had done so, 80% said they would have liked to did

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somebody had intervened chewing an incident of unwanted sexual contact.

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It is whether there is somebody to intervene. What you mentioned about

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older men groping, it belittles what happened but I suppose everybody

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understands the term. It happened to you when you were 14? 14 years old,

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on the way home from school, an older gentleman groped my behind.

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Like Jessica said, I did not know what to do. I thought it might be

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his bag, I didn't believe it was happening. When it happened again, I

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realised it was definitely his hand. I didn't

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know if I should report or who I should report it

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I spoke to my mother. It is important to speak up so that other

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women are not alone. It is important for

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men to be involved in the conversation as well. What about

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you, Natsayi? I was very young, about 13, but at this age, I am 26,

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I lost experience did last week. I was out shopping in a very large

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shopping centre in London, I was looking for a jacket in top shop and

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a man came up to me, continue to talk to me in a sexualised manner,

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that's me into a corner and started groping my leg, he was basically

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trying to get me to give him my phone number so he could be friends

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with me. This was not the first time I have experienced something

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similar. What did you do? Made my excuses and back to my way out of

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the situation, using my own skills and wiliness to get out of it, lots

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of girls home that skill as we get older, that skill of getting

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yourself out of sticky and uncomfortable situations, they are

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hideous situations to be in and they make you feel like dirt afterwards,

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and it is not your fault. What you have just said, Kafayat, is

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important, the conversation needs to happen with boys as they get older

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and men as they are older about how to behave and not cave around women,

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what it feels like to be a woman. Rosie, you were at a gig, what

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happened and what did you do? I was seeing one of my favourite bands,

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about halfway through their set I felt something behind me, there was

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a man bumping against my leg. At first I thought it is a crowded

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venue and he probably does not have enough space, we were all jumping in

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time to the music, it was not until I turned around and I realise that

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he had plenty of space behind him that I realise that it Robert Lee

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wasn't an accident and he was doing it on purpose. I tried to move away

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and he followed me and continued to hump my leg. Oh, God. For want of a

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better way of putting it. It lasted for about half an hour until the end

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of the gig. I did not do anything during the gig because I was

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enjoying it and I was angry and I was like, no, he will not ruin it

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for me. But you spoke to start? After the gig, I took him to the

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bar, he was very drunk, he came along with me, I am not sure he knew

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what was going on. I talked to one of the bars stuck, I said, I would

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like to report this man for sexual assault and I just burst into tears,

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and while I was crying he and his friend ran away. The venue called

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the police, I said I wanted to file a report. The venue called the

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police review, that is good. Carry on. They handled it really, really

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well. The police were lovely, they took me really see a risky. I

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because I had not been physically hurt in any way, they took it really

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seriously, dated my statement. I had not heard anything back and

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hopefully I can ID him because I got a

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pretty good look at him. Why do we think some men do this? Loads of men

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are great and would not trade of doing anything like this, why do we

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think some men do it? Like I said earlier, I feel like this kind of

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behaviour is very much normalised because it is surrounded with a

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culture of silence in women, that we don't necessarily talk about it. I

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suppose it creates an environment in which boys

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can just do it. But boys grew up with sisters and mums and auntie 's.

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That is true, and I can't imagine my brother dooming anything similar,

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but maybe some of his friends might. Jessica? I think some people try to

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chance their low can they might think they have spotted somebody who

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looks a bit vulnerable, perhaps, and a lot of the time they probably get

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away with it because people are vulnerable, frightened and scared,

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but sometimes they pick the wrong battle, if they like. That is why I

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reported it, I was not going to have somebody touching me. I think it is

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just an incentive for them. It is almost like a challenge.

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When the transport police looked at this behaviour, they retrained CCTV

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operators to look at the behaviour and he was doing it. In the course

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of many detections, they found that the real modus operandi of some of

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the men who do it, they enter the transport system in order to commit

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this behaviour. It is intentional, not opportunist. We have repeated

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offenders who do it again and to benefit from being told that this

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does not really matter. We need to talk about what happens when women

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tell men they are not interested. We have had great stories of being

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taken seriously by the police, but the women here have experience in

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quite nasty racist abuse sooner they have told meant they are not

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interested, that would be a common experience of immediately being more

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seriously attacked and threatened, when you have made it clear, I don't

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want you, I don't need you to intrude on my space. We have

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examined this issue. Because of that always being trivialised, there are

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local elections coming up, police and crime commission

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elections in May which many others will votes in, we need issues about

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the way that women are treated and disrespected and public spaces, then

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maybe we can have the conversation not just about women reporting but

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about bystanders and the men doing it.

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This tweet from Tony he says, you are all very brave the speaking out.

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Angela tweets, if anyone groped me, I would shout him out in public and

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then report it. I suppose that depends on the nature of your

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personality. We all know someone who will do that, whether you do it

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yourselves? Neill says, you should definitely

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report it. Bernie says all sexual harassment is condemned and where

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does this stem from? We have tried to

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address that in the time we have available, but thanks for coming on

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the programme. Really interested to hear your own, personal experiences.

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If this has happened to you, let me know.

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Maybe we will talk to you on the programme later on.

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Still to come on the programme. We will talk to 18-year-old

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Alfie, who was on the programme last day. He has now got a job. Also some

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viewers who are torn about which way to vote in the EU referendum. We

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will talk to you about what you need to help you make your mind up.

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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has said it's

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"absolutely outrageous" to label as racist, people who raise

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In a magazine interview, he said fear was a valid emotion

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given the scale of the migrant crisis - and public concerns

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campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

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of the fervour displayed by their opponents in the referendum.

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Mr Blair said the case for staying in the EU should be made

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on the grounds of idealism as well as economic realism.

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Downing Street and the White House have insisted the "special

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relationship" between Britain and the US remains strong,

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despite President Obama criticising David Cameron.

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Mr Obama said the Prime Minister had become distracted after the military

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intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

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And Japan marks the fifth anniversary of the earthquake

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and tsunami that left more than 18,000 people dead or missing.

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John Watson has all the sport now - and more on last night's big

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European game between Liverpool and Manchester United.

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Manchester United lost to Liverpool 2-0. Jurgen Klopp called it the

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mother of all games. United fans were disappointed and they are on

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the brink of exit unless they can turn things around. Former players,

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Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes called

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Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes shambolic. We will be seen the goals

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from Borussia Dortmund. Andy Murray will be talking about Maria

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Sharapova's ban after failing a drug test. He was very critical of one of

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her sponsors, who said they will stand by her. Good news for Laura

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Robson who says she will return after 18 months out. We will be

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showing you how much from Indian Wells. And England in action against

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Wales in the six Nations. It is a match that could go some way in

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deciding the title of the competition. Eddie Jones is talking

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to the media. All coming up at ten o'clock.

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You may remember last year on this programme,

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we talked to eight young adults with Down's Syndome who told us

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about the huge barriers they face when trying to get a job.

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Thank you very much for talking to us.

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You are at college and you are a gymnast.

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Tell us about what is happening in July in LA.

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In July I am going to LA, California, for the Special Olympics

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What was it like when you were selected?

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When it comes to working in the future, what do

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Thank you for coming on the programme.

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I also won a best acting award at the

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When people think it is somebody with Down's syndrome what do

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Down's syndrome in their heads is very weird.

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People cannot be scared about Down's syndrome.

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Do you think people are sometimes scared?

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Sometimes they do but sometimes they don't.

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I think coming from a charity it is just kind of ignorance a lot

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The public do not know about Down's syndrome.

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What do you think it is they are scared of?

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I think they see someone who is different and maybe

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It was a really inspiring conversation and, as a result,

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a number of businesses got in touch to say they were interested

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in taking part in programmes designed to help encourage people

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with learning disabilities get into paid work.

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The charity Mencap estimates that eight out of ten working age people

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with conditions like Down's Syndrome could work,

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One of those companies who wanted to do something about

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that was Alix Partners, a consultancy firm.

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They actually read our story on the BBC News site

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and as a result have employed a young man with Down's Syndrome

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He's 18 year-old Alfie Scullion, and he's here now, along

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with his new boss Andy Constable and Peter Saville, who's

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the Managing Director at Alix Partners.

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And also with us are two of the people

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20 year-old Holly Riseborough told us about her love of gymnastics

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and since then has successfully competed in the Special Olympics

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in Los Angeles winning four gold medals, and 28 year-old Otto Baxter

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who has since that conversation, starred in a Bafta nominated film.

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Alfie, welcome. What days do you work? Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Tell

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us some of the tasks you do? In here. The post. OK, that is a

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picture of the lifts and that is where you deliver the post to.

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Delivering post. Photos. You put the post into the

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folders. Then take it upstairs to people in the various offices. What

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is on the next page last so you have photographs in here and

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that is the photocopier and that helps you do the work, the various

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photo copying and the printing. How does it feel for you to be at work?

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Good. How do your family feel about you having this job? Proud of me. I

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bet they are. Why did you decide to employ somebody like Alfie? I read

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about it on the BBC website and I thought it was a very inspiring

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story and I thought it was something organisations like ours, should be

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involved in. In terms of finding out more, who did you contact? We

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contacted the work fit programme and they made it so easy for us. Andy

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will talk about how the recruitment process worked, but it was... We

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were right to feel it was the right thing to do. Presumably a learning

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curve for you and the other staff, as much as it was 4-3? Absolutely,

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became clear early on is about raking down barriers. People in the

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work lace have a role to play in all of the different professions. We

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have loved having Alfie with us. In what way has your company benefited

:26:35.:26:41.

with employing Alfie? We work in professional services, it can be a

:26:42.:26:45.

blinkered organisation. The staff have loved having him around, it has

:26:46.:26:50.

been fantastic. It has opened their eyes to different ways of working

:26:51.:26:54.

and having different people in the work place. It has been great. One

:26:55.:26:59.

of the most powerful things is Alfie has become one of the team. No more,

:27:00.:27:05.

no less than that and that is important. Andy, you are his line

:27:06.:27:09.

manager, when you hired Alfie, it was the work fit programme that

:27:10.:27:14.

recruited Alfie, rather than your company? Yes, when we were aware we

:27:15.:27:23.

were getting involved, they came and did the correct assessments, look at

:27:24.:27:28.

the health and safety issues and the adaptations we may need to make. We

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then went through a training programme, which was... You and your

:27:32.:27:40.

staff? Yes, we opened it up to everyone who wanted to come and find

:27:41.:27:44.

out about it and we had a very good uptake. What does the training

:27:45.:27:50.

involved? It was trying to break down barriers on people's opinion on

:27:51.:27:57.

people with down syndrome. Can you give any specific examples? With

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regard to how they did that? What words did they use, what language

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and what questions to be asked? It was the conception people with

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Down's syndrome are always happy and things like that. Obviously, that

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isn't the case. Everyone is an individual and everyone has their

:28:20.:28:24.

own personality. It gave us some information about that. It made us

:28:25.:28:29.

more aware of some of the issues people with Down's syndrome do

:28:30.:28:33.

struggle with speech impediment, visual stuff and things like that.

:28:34.:28:37.

It was very beneficial for the team to go through the training process.

:28:38.:28:43.

They were very helpful in showing us we could start with simple tasks,

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but people with down syndrome have different abilities and the

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important thing was to try to stretch the person as they grow into

:28:53.:28:57.

the role and grew more confident. Alfie has gone on to do so much more

:28:58.:29:04.

than when he first joined us. What roles did you assign Alfie with when

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he started? Once we designed the job specification, it fitted to come and

:29:11.:29:16.

work with the facilities team, so we had structured tasks for him to do

:29:17.:29:24.

throughout the day. That suited his personality so it was working

:29:25.:29:28.

closely with my assistance, who would handle the incoming and

:29:29.:29:35.

outgoing post. Alfie went on to take on more tasks working with the

:29:36.:29:38.

friends of house team in the meeting room suite. -- front of house. We

:29:39.:29:47.

wanted to guide him with what he was doing, but he grew so confident and

:29:48.:29:53.

was doing these tasks on his own. Alfie, have you got a picture of

:29:54.:30:00.

your team in this book? Yes. Can I have a look? Yes. Let's go back one

:30:01.:30:10.

page, what is that? What is this task?

:30:11.:30:23.

Why is it important for you to check the temperatures? Too warm. Nobody

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wants it too warm, do they? Is that the team?

:30:35.:30:36.

Who are these people? Those are the team he works closely with. He works

:30:37.:30:53.

closely with Vicky. Going back to the temperature one, he has an

:30:54.:31:00.

interest in James Bond and the temperature control in the office

:31:01.:31:03.

for us, is what causes a few problems. The same in any office, it

:31:04.:31:10.

is never just right. By visually putting the targets on the wall and

:31:11.:31:15.

the temperature, it was one of your favourite tasks? Yes.

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Made it fun for him as well as doing a vital job for us. Holly, how you?

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Great. What have you won since we spoke to you? Medals. I won that

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one. Congratulations. And then this one is for my bars. And then the

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fold. Let's have a look, let's show the gold! -- for the vault. And then

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this one, all around. All-round floor work. And this for my Fed.

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Silver for beam, congratulations. What was it like, representing your

:32:24.:32:27.

country? Fantastic, I'm proud of myself, really. So you should be.

:32:28.:32:35.

What is the event like? Amazing, fantastic experience. How are you

:32:36.:32:45.

since we last spoke, Otto? Great. Tell the audience about Samuel 613,

:32:46.:32:52.

a film which you were involved in? About it is a film but I was in. I

:32:53.:32:57.

have locks in my hair, and they made a mistake by chopping my fringe.

:32:58.:33:05.

It was nominated for an award? For a BAFTA. How did that make you feel?

:33:06.:33:14.

Honoured and proud. And I think he went to the BAFTA screening? Really

:33:15.:33:22.

good. You are a in the cinema, watching yourself on screen? It was

:33:23.:33:27.

really scary. I quite liked it, it was quite fun! Also, there is a film

:33:28.:33:37.

project to make a film about your life? What is that like? It is quite

:33:38.:33:48.

fun. It is a sombre mood -- it is a zombie movie. A horror film about

:33:49.:33:55.

your life, with zombies in its?! Yes. Do you know any zombies? Some

:33:56.:34:03.

of them are fast runners, some are very slow, some are a bit dopey, a

:34:04.:34:06.

bit clumsy. Sounds fantastic. Right, let's read

:34:07.:34:14.

some messages from people watching you. Simon on Twitter, it is good to

:34:15.:34:19.

see this piece on people with learning different -- disabilities

:34:20.:34:24.

having opportunities for employment. Great to see the use of

:34:25.:34:28.

communication support. A couple of people are asking about the paid

:34:29.:34:32.

work that Alfie is doing, can I ask the rate of pay? With Alfie at the

:34:33.:34:38.

moment, we don't pay him because he is still in school, we were unable

:34:39.:34:42.

to do anything about that. We were looking about whether we could do a

:34:43.:34:48.

charitable donation to the Down's syndrome work programme.

:34:49.:34:51.

Specifically for Alfie, because he was in school we could not pay. When

:34:52.:34:57.

he leaves school, if he joins as then we would pay him. And their

:34:58.:35:01.

prospects for your company and Alfie? Absolutely, we are talking to

:35:02.:35:07.

the work fit programme about whether we employ someone permanently or we

:35:08.:35:13.

act almost as training for people to come through regularly, get

:35:14.:35:15.

experience and then go out with better prospect elsewhere. Jack says

:35:16.:35:24.

this is well deserving of publicity. Barry, the work fit programme is

:35:25.:35:28.

wonderful for getting people into work. Louis says nothing but

:35:29.:35:34.

admiration for the company employing Alfie, I hope it goes from strength

:35:35.:35:38.

to strength. Molly says Lavinia reported a on people with Down's

:35:39.:35:42.

syndrome, that it with Down's syndrome, working with Down's

:35:43.:35:45.

syndrome, raising awareness to help people find jobs is so vital. Thank

:35:46.:35:51.

you for coming on the programme. Nice to see you. All the best,

:35:52.:35:53.

Alfie. Good luck. Coming up, should Russian athletes

:35:54.:36:02.

be allowed to compete in the Rio Olympics this summer? They were

:36:03.:36:05.

banned from international competition after evidence of a

:36:06.:36:08.

state-sponsored doping programme. It is being discussed in Monaco today

:36:09.:36:10.

where they will make that decision. Now, are you for staying

:36:11.:36:13.

in the EU, or leaving? There is talk of Project Fear, a

:36:14.:36:21.

lack of further and passion or simply a struggle to get

:36:22.:36:25.

information. Many people are still undecided.

:36:26.:36:27.

Today the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby,

:36:28.:36:28.

waded in on the subject saying people were entitled to fear

:36:29.:36:31.

the impact migration could have on Britain

:36:32.:36:33.

and that it was absolutely outrageous to condemn as racist

:36:34.:36:35.

Two of the main players in opposite camps on the referendum debate

:36:36.:36:39.

Both are out and about today, and Boris will be speaking

:36:40.:36:43.

while we are on air, so we will bring you that.

:36:44.:36:51.

Here's how they have set out their stage.

:36:52.:36:54.

We are approaching one of the biggest decisions this

:36:55.:36:57.

Whether to remain in a reformed European Union or to leave.

:36:58.:37:03.

The choice goes to the heart of the kind of country we want to be

:37:04.:37:07.

and the future that we want for our children.

:37:08.:37:11.

This is about how we trade with neighbouring countries

:37:12.:37:14.

to create jobs, prosperity and financial security

:37:15.:37:17.

It is about how we co-operate to keep our people safe

:37:18.:37:23.

I know there will be many passionate arguments over the months ahead.

:37:24.:37:29.

Individual Cabinet ministers will have the freedom to campaign

:37:30.:37:33.

My responsibility as Prime Minister is to speak plainly

:37:34.:37:41.

about what I believe is right for the our country.

:37:42.:37:45.

I do not think anybody could realistically claim that this

:37:46.:37:48.

is fundamental reform of the EU or of Britain's relationships

:37:49.:37:55.

It is my view that after 30 years of writing about this

:37:56.:38:03.

I have a chance actually to do something.

:38:04.:38:09.

I would like to see a new relationship based more

:38:10.:38:12.

With much less of the supranational element.

:38:13.:38:21.

That is where I am coming from and that is why I have decided

:38:22.:38:25.

after a huge amount of heartache, because I did not want,

:38:26.:38:27.

the last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron

:38:28.:38:34.

or the Government, but after a great deal of heartache, I do not think

:38:35.:38:38.

We can now talk to a group of undecided voters

:38:39.:38:47.

We have Kerry Gadd is in Somerset, who's a receptionist for her local

:38:48.:38:51.

YMCA, but says she is leaning towards an exit vote.

:38:52.:38:59.

How are you? All right, and yourself? Good, thank you.

:39:00.:39:03.

Jarel Robinson-Brown in Cardiff, who's a priest.

:39:04.:39:04.

He's undecided but leaning towards a stay in vote.

:39:05.:39:06.

And Dionne Barrington in Swindon, a mum of three who is simply

:39:07.:39:11.

As you can see, one of them is there. Hello, how old is your baby?

:39:12.:39:23.

Eight weeks. Congratulations. You are simply undecided, not really

:39:24.:39:27.

leaning in any direction. Thank you all for coming on the programme. Why

:39:28.:39:33.

are you undecided, Kerry? Because I haven't really been keeping up with

:39:34.:39:37.

the news as I have been lately, so I really don't really know much about

:39:38.:39:41.

what is actually going on. But what I've been reading recently, I have

:39:42.:39:46.

been leaning towards more back sitting the EU rather than staying.

:39:47.:39:51.

Where are you doing your reading and research? Of course I am reading it

:39:52.:39:55.

all online through the website itself, making sure that I always

:39:56.:39:59.

look at reliable sources and, yeah, I am leaning more towards leaving

:40:00.:40:07.

because I believe that it could... I think it could raise the economy are

:40:08.:40:13.

little more with Britain itself, but I'm undecided still. Jarel, what do

:40:14.:40:17.

you think you need to know to make your decision? I want to know,

:40:18.:40:24.

really, how is the economy going to be affected, and how would it affect

:40:25.:40:29.

both me and my local community? That is what I am struggling to find out

:40:30.:40:32.

in any clear way from our politicians. Politicians on both

:40:33.:40:38.

sides are getting and says about what will happen to Britain's

:40:39.:40:42.

economy, the answers are pretty much diametrically opposed. Absolutely.

:40:43.:40:48.

It seems that both sides are talking about freedoms we will gain and

:40:49.:40:53.

freedoms we have lost. They are both using the same reasons for their

:40:54.:40:58.

documents, which I find bizarre. You will just have too make a judgment

:40:59.:41:01.

call nearer the time. -- same reasons for their argument. I hope

:41:02.:41:06.

that things come clearer as time goes on, but I am struggling at the

:41:07.:41:11.

moment. Our politicians the only voices you are listening to? It was

:41:12.:41:16.

interesting to hear the Archbishop of Canterbury today. I am a

:41:17.:41:20.

Methodist minister so here's not my leader, if you like, but it was

:41:21.:41:27.

interesting to hear his reflections. Obviously he is not telling anybody

:41:28.:41:31.

what to do, he says it is not his role to advise people how to vote,

:41:32.:41:36.

he says we do not know how God would votes. But the fear is that people

:41:37.:41:42.

have had, I think the line between rational fear and rational theory is

:41:43.:41:47.

quite slim, and I am not always sure that I agree on that topic. Dionne,

:41:48.:41:53.

you support Ukip that are genuinely undecided. What issues are you

:41:54.:41:59.

important to -- are imported to you as you continue considering your

:42:00.:42:06.

decision? I want to be happy with the votes that I cast for the

:42:07.:42:10.

Britain that my children will be living in. In ten years' time my

:42:11.:42:14.

daughter will be almost 19, will she be able to get a job or a mortgage?

:42:15.:42:20.

These are the things that David Cameron says will be affected, Boris

:42:21.:42:27.

Johnson says there will be a shock and a quick recovery. I am trying to

:42:28.:42:31.

look that he was being truthful and who has the best ideas. So the

:42:32.:42:37.

economy is a big one for you. Kerry, what is important for you?

:42:38.:42:44.

Definitely more than one issue. Jobs, in my opinion, is the top

:42:45.:42:47.

topic. I have been job searching for a very long time, since last year.

:42:48.:42:57.

Ever since I got onto jobseeker's allowance. It is definitely hard to

:42:58.:43:02.

find jobs and I would like to see, if we decided to leave, if more job

:43:03.:43:08.

opportunities would open towards British citizens. OK. Does that mean

:43:09.:43:13.

you are thinking that perhaps the level of migration is a concern for

:43:14.:43:20.

you in terms of you getting a job and other British citizens?

:43:21.:43:25.

Definitely. I genuinely feel that way. OK. Are you definitely going to

:43:26.:43:36.

vote, Dionne? Yes. I would like to say yes, unless I get to a week

:43:37.:43:40.

before and I am still completely undecided. I think we need to see a

:43:41.:43:44.

lot more of the passionate arguments that David Cameron says we will see

:43:45.:43:49.

before any of us make our minds up 100%, I don't think we have all the

:43:50.:43:54.

evidence. As a supporter of Ukip, your party would say you should vote

:43:55.:43:59.

to leave? I think it is silly to blindly follow what somebody says

:44:00.:44:02.

without looking at the evidence and making up your own mind. Jarel, do

:44:03.:44:07.

you believe that you will get the fact that you are looking for by the

:44:08.:44:15.

end of June? I hope so. I know you hope so, but do you think so? I am

:44:16.:44:21.

not confident, actually. What do you make of the debate so far? Very

:44:22.:44:28.

poor. I find a lot of the language used now is almost so difficult to

:44:29.:44:34.

understand that it keeps us ordinary human beings out of the

:44:35.:44:41.

conversation. Of the people in poor areas in Britain who are quite

:44:42.:44:46.

fearful about borders and their controls, they might not understand

:44:47.:44:49.

the arguments and they might be fearful about employment but do not

:44:50.:44:54.

necessarily have the ability to engage with politicians are now

:44:55.:44:58.

level. That is a very good point about the language in terms, the way

:44:59.:45:04.

everyone is communicating. What would you say, Kerry? I would

:45:05.:45:09.

definitely agree with what Jared has just said. Looking at the reports

:45:10.:45:13.

and what politicians have said, some of the words, even I had trouble

:45:14.:45:18.

understanding. Yeah, I think it needs to be more at our level so we

:45:19.:45:22.

have a better understanding of what they are trying to get across.

:45:23.:45:28.

Really good to talk to you all for the first time. We will follow you

:45:29.:45:31.

over the next few months if you are happy for us to. Thank you so much,

:45:32.:45:36.

Kerry, Jarel and Dionne. Thank you. Let's get the latest

:45:37.:45:49.

weather update with Carol. The fog will take some time to clear

:45:50.:45:59.

through parts of Hampshire and the spine of England. When it does we're

:46:00.:46:04.

looking at Sunshine but until then, stubborn cloud. Through the

:46:05.:46:10.

afternoon we carry on with bright and sunny skies across southern

:46:11.:46:15.

England. Thick cloud across the South East and East Anglia. As we

:46:16.:46:20.

drift towards central parts of the Midlands we back into the sunshine,

:46:21.:46:24.

as we are in northern parts of England. It will turn cloudy in the

:46:25.:46:29.

east and the South, head of this band of rain. Through the day, the

:46:30.:46:35.

rain will continue to push across Northern Ireland, brightening up

:46:36.:46:39.

with showers behind. A beautiful day in prospect across Wales with

:46:40.:46:44.

variable amounts of cloud. As we had through the evening and overnight,

:46:45.:46:48.

rain continues to push southwards any shuts getting into northern

:46:49.:46:53.

England. Under some clearer skies, particularly in the south there will

:46:54.:46:58.

be frost and patchy fog, but not as extensive as this morning. Tomorrow,

:46:59.:47:03.

the rain is still with us. Moving out of Northern Ireland. Not

:47:04.:47:06.

particularly heavy. Cloud building as it pushes further south. At the

:47:07.:47:11.

lion's shelled the sunshine will be in the south and the far south-east.

:47:12.:47:18.

On Sunday, for most it will be dry. Temperatures 11, 12, possibly as

:47:19.:47:19.

high as 14 for some. Hello it's Friday, it's 10:00,

:47:20.:47:24.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, If you've just joined us,

:47:25.:47:27.

coming up before 11:00. We've been hearing from women

:47:28.:47:34.

about the unwanted sexual attention they've suffered in public places

:47:35.:47:36.

and asking why something so common I feel like women don't think

:47:37.:47:39.

and men, don't think that And it is and you're not alone,

:47:40.:47:43.

and you can think, have I done something to warrant this

:47:44.:47:48.

behaviour towards me? You haven't and it's not acceptable,

:47:49.:47:50.

you're a person who doesn't deserve to be getitng touched up or worse

:47:51.:47:53.

when you're on public transport, out in shops, it happens so often,

:47:54.:47:57.

and people just don't think it's a normal thing to report it

:47:58.:48:01.

and it is, it should be. Victoria tweeted to say,

:48:02.:48:08.

"My 18 year-old daughter had her breasts fondled

:48:09.:48:10.

on a packed tube by old man. She begged me not to report it

:48:11.:48:14.

as she was embarrassed." Please continue to get in touch

:48:15.:48:18.

with your experiences and you can see the full discussion on our

:48:19.:48:20.

programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria. Russian athletes were banned

:48:21.:48:26.

from international competition after evidence of a

:48:27.:48:27.

"state-sponsored" doping programme. We'll find out today

:48:28.:48:31.

if they're allowed to compete Is the government failing to protect

:48:32.:48:45.

whistle-blowers in the NHS and other large organisations? We will hear

:48:46.:48:48.

one doctor's story. The Archbishop of Canterbury,

:48:49.:48:52.

Justin Welby, has said it's "absolutely outrageous" to label

:48:53.:48:57.

as racist, people who raise In a magazine interview,

:48:58.:49:00.

he said fear was a valid emotion given the scale of the migrant

:49:01.:49:06.

crisis - and public concerns had Tony Blair has urged those

:49:07.:49:09.

campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

:49:10.:49:12.

of the fervour displayed by their opponents

:49:13.:49:15.

in the referendum. Downing Street and the White House

:49:16.:49:22.

insist there's still a strong special relationship

:49:23.:49:25.

between Britain and the US - despite unexpected criticism

:49:26.:49:28.

from President Obama. He said David Cameron had become

:49:29.:49:30.

distracted after the military intervention in Libya,

:49:31.:49:33.

and the North African country had Owners of tumble dryers requiring

:49:34.:49:36.

repairs in a fire safety campaign are being told they must wait 11

:49:37.:49:50.

months for their appliance In November, Whirlpool,

:49:51.:49:53.

the owner of the Hotpoint, Indesit and Creda brands,

:49:54.:49:57.

revealed the massive repair campaign And Japan marks the fifth

:49:58.:50:00.

anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that left more

:50:01.:50:04.

than 18,000 people dead or missing. A ceremony has been held in Tokyo

:50:05.:50:07.

with a minute's silence. John Watson has the sport now,

:50:08.:50:10.

and all the fallout from last night's game between Liverpool

:50:11.:50:13.

and Manchester United. It's advantage Liverpool

:50:14.:50:15.

after they beat Manchester United 2-0 in the first leg

:50:16.:50:18.

of their Europa League tie at Anfield - a defeat which prompted

:50:19.:50:20.

yet more criticism of manager Goals in each half -

:50:21.:50:24.

the first a penalty from Daniel Sturridge and a second

:50:25.:50:27.

from Roberto Firmino - has put the Reds firmly in control

:50:28.:50:30.

of the tie heading into the second This was the first time

:50:31.:50:33.

the two teams had met Jurgen Klopp called it

:50:34.:50:37.

the mother of all games, but on TV last night former players

:50:38.:50:42.

Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes picked on United's performance

:50:43.:50:45.

calling disjointed and shambolic, something Van Gaal

:50:46.:50:49.

was not keen to discuss. You don't give your own opinion,

:50:50.:50:55.

and then you use Rio Ferdinand's You've already used another person

:50:56.:50:58.

to ask the question. Tottenham's European adventure looks

:50:59.:51:15.

over after they were heavily beaten in Germany, losing 3-0

:51:16.:51:18.

to Borussia Dortmund. Both teams are second

:51:19.:51:21.

in their respective leagues, but the gap in class was clear

:51:22.:51:24.

as Marco Reus scored twice Mauricio Pochettino choosing

:51:25.:51:27.

to leave key players on the bench Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova

:51:28.:51:45.

must accept headband and added his surprise that the racket supplier,

:51:46.:51:51.

head have offered to stand by the Russian. Good news for Laura Robson,

:51:52.:51:56.

who made a return after 18 months out with a wrist injury. Although

:51:57.:52:02.

she lost in straight sets this, she said she hadn't felt any pain in her

:52:03.:52:06.

wrist for a couple of months and intends to play at full clay-court

:52:07.:52:12.

season. The countdown is on for England's match against Wales at

:52:13.:52:17.

Twickenham tomorrow, which could determine the destination of the

:52:18.:52:21.

title. Eddie Jones was back talking to the media as he prepares to face

:52:22.:52:24.

off against Warren Gatland. The first time the two teams have faced

:52:25.:52:28.

each other since Wales beat England in the World Cup.

:52:29.:52:31.

I have done a lot of media since I have come here and it was a good

:52:32.:52:38.

chance to take a backward step and think about how we go forward in

:52:39.:52:39.

terms of the media. The media is an important part of

:52:40.:52:45.

the team. We look at how we can strategise the media. We haven't

:52:46.:52:52.

even spoken about the World Cup and what happened. It was a great

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performance, to then get out of the group. But we feel we are in better

:52:59.:53:02.

shape now than reversed the World Cup. There is a lot of confidence in

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this team and the guys have been training really well and we are

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treating Saturday as a final. Kick-off is at 4pm tomorrow at

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Twickenham. And that is all the sport now.

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The IAAF, the International Association of Athletics Federations

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is meeting today to discuss whether to re-admit Russian athletes

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The Russians were banned from international competition back

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in November after a report detailed what it called a "state-sponsored"

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doping programme that had sabotaged the 2012 Olympics in London.

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To give you a sense of the scale of doping in 2012 take

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This is what final standings of the women's 1500m now looks

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like without those who've tested positive for performance enhancing

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As you can see, it's not just the Russians that have a doping

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Athletes from across the world were disqualified.

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Some, like Tatyana Tomashova, had already served doping bans

:54:36.:54:39.

before the race had taken place, while others,

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like Turkey's Asli Cakir Alptekin had to hand back her gold

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And this is the final standings of the women's 800 metres that year.

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The Gold and Bronze medallists, Russian runners, Mariya Savinova

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and Eekaterina Poistogova, have since been recommended

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for life-time bans by the World Anti Doping Agency.

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Do you think because you still hold the world record that still stands

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by a whole three minutes, it has led to your integrity sometimes? People

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have said to me, do you regret running that time

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because it is extremely fast. It means people are looking at it

:56:32.:56:41.

with some suspicion. Now I don't, the whole point of my career is to

:56:42.:56:43.

see what I could do. I wanted to get to the end and say,

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that is the best I was capable of doing. Our recommendation is that

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the Russian federation resuspended. -- be suspended.

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The issue we now have two come front is what is it we need to put in

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place? Some of that is already underway. And it means we never

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return to this horror show again. So, do the Russians

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deserve a second chance? Should the IAAF meeting today

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readmit them in time to compete Let's talk to two British atheltes -

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Jo Pavey is a British long-distance runner and has represented

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Great Britain in every She missed out on a medal to a doper

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at the World Championships in 2007 Also Jenny Meadows the British

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800m runner who has spent the best part of her career

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competing against Mariya Savinova, Also Jenny Meadows the British

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800m runner who has a Russian athlete who's now arguably

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the face of Russia's doping scandal, an Olympic,

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world and European champion who is one of five athletes to have

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been recommended for lifetime bans Jenny is hoping to be part of Team

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GB at the Rio Olympics this summer. readmit Russian athletes in time the

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Rio? There shouldn't be any time frame on it. We have reports the

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Russian Federation is still in denial and not doing enough.

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We need to be sure they are following the criteria set out for

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them and they are able to follow rules set out by the IAAF. It feels

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like they are not quite doing enough, but we need to see what the

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meeting finds. If they are not found to be compliant enough and there is

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still a lot of work to do, we cannot risk any

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athletes cheating on the start line. Even though, there are some who say

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the ban is unfair against those Russian athletes

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who do play by the rules and who are clean? I agree with that, it is

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unfair. My heart goes out to those Russian athletes who work hard to

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try to fulfil their dreams. Even if it is only a very few, it is

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still awful that situation could arise. I

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know how I would feel if I was in that situation. We hope things can

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be changed in the future. The bubbly at this stage, we might have to take

:59:42.:59:43.

strict measures to make sure the majority of clean athletes are

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protected. But I agree, it is a sad situation that has

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happened to the clean athletes. Jenny, how many medals do you feel

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you have missed out because of cheating by Mariya Savinova and

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other athletes? It is heartbreaking and hard to put a number on it. One

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of my medals has been changed. It was a silver on the day. I faced a

:00:11.:00:16.

lot of anguish, wondering what I had done wrong in that race. It has been

:00:17.:00:24.

upgraded to a gold medal. I was the only clean athlete on the podium

:00:25.:00:29.

that day. We are talking about fifth place person who should have been on

:00:30.:00:33.

the podium. You never get those moments back. Three of the medals I

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have got, I do think they are the wrong colour and I think I should

:00:39.:00:42.

have another three or four as well, from previous championships where I

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finished in fourth or fifth and been denied the moment. It is not just on

:00:47.:00:53.

the day it affects, it affects a lot of things. Sponsorship, funding and

:00:54.:00:56.

subsequent years, how well you can do.

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Is there anything that sticks in your memory from those races, any

:01:01.:01:06.

incidents you recall that made you suspicious? There are probably two

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or three moments in my career. The first one was the race I just

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described in Paris at the European indoor Championships, I finished

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second in that race, it was amazing to be a European silver medallist,

:01:21.:01:25.

but I went into the race as hot favourites, and I really could not

:01:26.:01:29.

sleep that night, I was scratching my head, what should I have done,

:01:30.:01:34.

what did I do wrong? The World Championships in 2011 was another

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incident, there were three Russians in the race, two of which have been

:01:41.:01:46.

banned since. I did not make the final, I came ninth. 12 months until

:01:47.:01:52.

2012, I was thinking, what can I do to get into the final before trying

:01:53.:01:57.

to make the podium? I really pushed my body a lot. I started training a

:01:58.:02:03.

little bit harder, not recovering as much as I should have, just

:02:04.:02:08.

thinking, I am not making the grade, I should change my training and my

:02:09.:02:14.

tactics. I have suffered quite a lot of injuries since then, I was trying

:02:15.:02:18.

to do the training that I presumed the Russian athlete, with three of

:02:19.:02:24.

them being in the final, most do, I was probably working towards

:02:25.:02:28.

achieving something that was not possible without taking performance

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enhancing drugs, which I did not know at the time. Jo Pavey, what is

:02:33.:02:37.

it like now to realise that you missed out on a medal because

:02:38.:02:42.

somebody who was cheating beat you? Absolutely devastating. It happened

:02:43.:02:48.

to me at the World Championships, I gave it my all, it was such a hot

:02:49.:02:56.

day. I gave everything I had. I empathise with Jenny, I felt like I

:02:57.:03:00.

had given everything, what had I done wrong? I felt I was letting

:03:01.:03:04.

everyone down because I was in the medal position until I got to the

:03:05.:03:08.

line and I could not do enough. It should have been a moment in my

:03:09.:03:11.

career when I could have celebrated a world medal, but like Jenny I

:03:12.:03:16.

felt, what more could I have done, how could I change my training and

:03:17.:03:21.

gets better? In the future, you realise that you should have been

:03:22.:03:27.

proud to be on the podium, it should not have been a day of

:03:28.:03:31.

disappointment. I can never get that time back. I agree with Jenny, you

:03:32.:03:35.

feel like you have failed, in the future you realise you were getting

:03:36.:03:38.

things right but the way that the cheats were taking these drugs was

:03:39.:03:43.

making you feel like you were failing on the day. You can never

:03:44.:03:48.

get those moments back. There are so many aspects, like Jenny mentioned,

:03:49.:03:53.

missing the moments, missing the sponsorship, pushing yourself so

:03:54.:04:02.

hard in training. You look at it with frustration, but you have to

:04:03.:04:05.

remember the lovely lifestyle moments. I have had a great career

:04:06.:04:09.

in sport, we need to be tough on this board so we can have a bright

:04:10.:04:13.

future and supporter youngsters coming through. Jenny, should the

:04:14.:04:18.

IAAF readmit Russian athletes in time for the Rio Olympics? Oblak I

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don't think so, I don't think they can get their act together that

:04:24.:04:26.

quickly. There was another documentary on this week, it said

:04:27.:04:32.

that some of the band athletes and coaches are training every day and

:04:33.:04:38.

they do not think they have listened to all the measures that have been

:04:39.:04:43.

put in place. In short, no, I don't think they can have done enough. I

:04:44.:04:48.

don't think people lining up on the start line against athletes wearing

:04:49.:04:51.

the Russian vest will have confidence that it is a level

:04:52.:04:55.

playing field. In terms of your preparations to try to get to Rio,

:04:56.:05:01.

how are they going? Good, always hard. The weather is getting nicer,

:05:02.:05:06.

which is easier, we're not contending with the wind and rain as

:05:07.:05:11.

much. Feeling very optimistic. Thank you, Jenny Meadows. And good to talk

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to you, Jo Pavey, thank you. Coverage on the outcome of the IAAF

:05:17.:05:20.

meeting, I don't think they will make a decision today, that a

:05:21.:05:24.

decision at some point over whether Russia will be readmitted before

:05:25.:05:25.

Rio. On 11th March 2011, Japan was struck

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by one of the most powerful It caused a giant wave out at sea,

:05:30.:05:32.

called a tsunami, which grew Half an hour after the quake,

:05:33.:05:36.

the tsunami hit the north-east coast of the country, destroying

:05:37.:05:42.

everything in its path. Today, five years on from that

:05:43.:05:43.

terrible day, ceremonies have been taking place to mark

:05:44.:05:46.

the disaster and remember those Hinako was one of the children whose

:05:47.:05:48.

life changed forever that day, Today in this Japanese town, life is

:05:49.:06:11.

returning to normal. But one girl who will never forget what happened

:06:12.:06:21.

that day is Hinako. TRANSLATION: I was sitting somewhere around here

:06:22.:06:24.

when we felt the quake. At first I did not think it would either be,

:06:25.:06:29.

but soon I realised it would be huge. We all went under desks to

:06:30.:06:33.

protect ourselves, but the desks were shifting under windows were

:06:34.:06:37.

broken. We all knew the earthquake would not be as small as the ones we

:06:38.:06:43.

were used to. This is the room that Hinako and her friends witnessed the

:06:44.:06:49.

tsunami wave rising and rising, it was quite fast and high.

:06:50.:06:55.

TRANSLATION: It was shocking to see the seats of swings floating in the

:06:56.:06:59.

water, rising up high enough to cover the whole slide. I wondered if

:07:00.:07:03.

I was outside at this very moment, what would happen to me?

:07:04.:07:09.

Hinako took us to wear her old house used to be. No one in the house was

:07:10.:07:14.

killed, but this empty spot is all that remains.

:07:15.:07:17.

This was where your home used to be. Can you tell us what happened?

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TRANSLATION: Ever since I was born I lived in this house with my mum, dad

:07:24.:07:27.

and big sister. She was alone at home when the soon army hit the

:07:28.:07:32.

house. She ran to our neighbour and saw the car being washed away by the

:07:33.:07:36.

soon army. She insisted she never wanted to live around here again,

:07:37.:07:41.

that is why we decided to leave the area.

:07:42.:07:44.

My school friends help the after the difficult times following the

:07:45.:07:47.

tsunami. I have many friends know, I feel very lucky.

:07:48.:07:52.

The father of Becky Watts, the Bristol teenager murdered by her own

:07:53.:07:59.

step mother, says that if the death sentence was available for her

:08:00.:08:02.

killers he would pull the lever himself. He told Newsnight he felt

:08:03.:08:07.

deceived and shocked by his stepson Nathan Matthews, who was convicted

:08:08.:08:11.

of Becky Watts' murder. Matthew's girlfriend Shauna Hoare was found

:08:12.:08:16.

guilty of manslaughter. He was speaking after the publication of

:08:17.:08:20.

his book in which he writes about the guilt he feels of not seeing the

:08:21.:08:23.

signs that something was going badly wrong in his family unit. He told

:08:24.:08:29.

Kirsty Wark of Nathan and Shauna 's reaction when it first became clear

:08:30.:08:33.

that Becky was missing. Not an inkling of guilt or anything,

:08:34.:08:37.

nothing happened. I think it was the family liaison

:08:38.:08:42.

officer who said to you, they are being questioned, you were

:08:43.:08:45.

disbelieving? I just could not believe it. I thought it was the

:08:46.:08:49.

normal thing, nine times out of ten it is someone they know. And then it

:08:50.:08:57.

now turns out that Nathan and Shauna were in the house, and in the car

:08:58.:09:04.

right side was Becky's body. 12 feet away from where I was sat, her body

:09:05.:09:09.

was in the back of the car and they did not even know it.

:09:10.:09:13.

And then they ordered a Chinese takeaway? Yeah. In the book, you say

:09:14.:09:19.

that in court you heard the council say that two years earlier, Becky

:09:20.:09:24.

had told a friend that Nathan had described in graphic detail how he

:09:25.:09:30.

plans to kill her. Yeah. That was the first we heard of it, in court.

:09:31.:09:36.

I I think what I am struggling to understand, it would have been

:09:37.:09:42.

terrifying, apparently he told her several times in graphic detail. I

:09:43.:09:46.

don't understand why she did not come to us. You are the parents of

:09:47.:09:54.

both the murdered and the murderer. Do you ever think of Nathan as your

:09:55.:10:01.

son now? No, no, I can't. People often ask me about how I feel about

:10:02.:10:05.

Nathan after what he did. Of course, I still love him, he is my son. When

:10:06.:10:11.

you are remotely you cannot ignore the unconditional love for your

:10:12.:10:15.

children, no matter with what they do. How do you deal with Angie's

:10:16.:10:21.

continuing love for Nathan? That is a bit of a sore subject for me. And

:10:22.:10:28.

she tends not to mention it now. I understand that, you know,

:10:29.:10:36.

unconditional love for an infant, it is fine, but not when they had

:10:37.:10:41.

turned into a monster. I can't get my head around that. If it was on

:10:42.:10:46.

the other foot and Danny was the monster, I would have real problems

:10:47.:10:53.

showing him any love or affection. Your own son? My own biological son,

:10:54.:10:57.

yeah. I would find that very difficult after something so heinous

:10:58.:11:02.

has been done by them, you know? Do you still want him dead? If they

:11:03.:11:08.

were going to hang him, I would pull the lever so no one else would have

:11:09.:11:15.

to carry the guilt. Darren Galsworthy talking to Kirsty

:11:16.:11:19.

Wark on Newsnight. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

:11:20.:11:22.

is about to outline new economic plans ahead of the Budget next week.

:11:23.:11:28.

He promises that any future Labour government will balance the books by

:11:29.:11:34.

matching the day-to-day spending with the amount it raises in taxes.

:11:35.:11:40.

We know now from the world central bank that the world economy is

:11:41.:11:43.

looking at stagnation and there needs to be a new rule. We want

:11:44.:11:48.

people to have confidence in a Labour government, meaning we are

:11:49.:11:53.

introducing a new fiscal credibility rule. First, that a Labour

:11:54.:11:56.

government will always balance day-to-day expenditure. Second, we

:11:57.:12:02.

will only borrow for the long-term. That means investment in, the homes

:12:03.:12:09.

that we need, railways, homes, renewable energy and new technology

:12:10.:12:14.

to grow the economy. Third, debt will fall under a Labour government

:12:15.:12:19.

over a five-year period. Finally, all this will be supervised

:12:20.:12:24.

independently by the Office for Budget Responsibility, reporting

:12:25.:12:28.

directly to Parliament. It is a new iron discipline for a Labour

:12:29.:12:31.

government. That speak to our political

:12:32.:12:35.

correspondent Eleanor Ghani. This is really important for Labour, voters

:12:36.:12:39.

judge they were not economic the credible before the last election?

:12:40.:12:45.

Exactly. Labour know they have a big problem when it comes to economic

:12:46.:12:48.

credibility and add knowledge it was something they could not be the

:12:49.:12:54.

Conservatives on in the 20 15th general election, it is something

:12:55.:12:57.

that their own report into what went wrong during the general election

:12:58.:13:01.

said they could not win the argument on the economy. So they are trying

:13:02.:13:06.

to put their best foot forward and prove that if labour, John McDonnell

:13:07.:13:10.

and Jeremy Corbyn were in charge of the economy, it would be in safe

:13:11.:13:15.

hands. We're hearing about something called the fiscal credibility rule,

:13:16.:13:22.

something that will be new. They are going to say that any Labour

:13:23.:13:25.

government will try to balance day-to-day spending with the amount

:13:26.:13:31.

it raises in taxes. That is the deficit, the amount you get, the

:13:32.:13:34.

amount you want to spend every day, compared to the taxes you are

:13:35.:13:38.

getting in. They are saying this is a response double way, they will

:13:39.:13:44.

only borrow to invest in things like transport, the roads, trains et. It

:13:45.:13:48.

will be difficult for Labour to win the battle, because on the one hand

:13:49.:13:52.

they want to show they will deal with the deficit and the economy in

:13:53.:13:56.

a way that looks responsible, on the other side they have to convince all

:13:57.:14:00.

those hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and others who

:14:01.:14:04.

have supported Jeremy Corbyn 's anti-austerity stands that they are

:14:05.:14:08.

doing what they elected him to do. It will be a difficult argument for

:14:09.:14:13.

Labour to balance and get right, but that is why he is setting out his

:14:14.:14:18.

stall just five days ahead of George Osborne's Budget next week on it

:14:19.:14:22.

will be a big argument as to whether Labour can regain some of that

:14:23.:14:26.

credibility on the economy. Thank you, Alan Ghani at

:14:27.:14:30.

Westminster. We will dip into John McDonnell in the next half-hour was

:14:31.:14:31.

so. -- half hour or so. Next this morning, Britain has

:14:32.:14:38.

always had what's known as a special relationship with America

:14:39.:14:41.

because of our close political, cultural, economic

:14:42.:14:42.

and military ties. But it's come under strain

:14:43.:14:44.

because President Obama has openly criticised David Cameron

:14:45.:14:46.

over his actions in Libya. Speaking to an American magazine,

:14:47.:14:48.

the US President said Britain and France allowed the country

:14:49.:14:50.

to become a mess after military David Cameron and the then French

:14:51.:14:53.

president Nicolas Sarkozy jointly celebrated with the Libyans

:14:54.:15:00.

in the eastern city of Benghazi in September 2011 after leading

:15:01.:15:04.

western air strikes, saving the city and helping bring

:15:05.:15:07.

down the ruthless dictator Colonel Colonel Gaddafi said he would happen

:15:08.:15:22.

to you down like rats, but you showed the courage of lions, and we

:15:23.:15:24.

salute your courage. And President Obama says Cameron

:15:25.:15:25.

took his eye off the ball after becoming distracted

:15:26.:15:29.

by other things. Obama also criticises our defence

:15:30.:15:31.

spending and complains about free So are they both as close

:15:32.:15:34.

as they would like us to believe? We can speak now to the former

:15:35.:15:45.

Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Thank you for talking to us. What do

:15:46.:15:58.

you make of this attack by Obama on Cameron? I am not sure he thought of

:15:59.:16:03.

himself as making an attack, it is part of a long interview. The two

:16:04.:16:07.

quite proper points you have made were incidental in a wider

:16:08.:16:11.

reminiscence about his time as president. Dealing with the

:16:12.:16:14.

substance of what he said, it is perfectly reasonable to say that the

:16:15.:16:18.

West as a whole has not given sufficient attention to Libya since

:16:19.:16:22.

the fall of Gaddafi. It is a bit rich of President Obama to single

:16:23.:16:26.

out Britain and France and not include the United States. The

:16:27.:16:29.

United States was also involved in the military dimer and, US Tomahawk

:16:30.:16:37.

missiles were used to larger tax on Gaddafi 's forces -- in the military

:16:38.:16:42.

dimensional. The US gave military support to the UK and French as

:16:43.:16:46.

strikes. If there is criticism, looking at your own action is

:16:47.:16:48.

sometimes appropriate. It was the French president and the

:16:49.:16:58.

British Prime Minister who were there telling Libya, we will stand

:16:59.:17:02.

with you as you build your democracy and the country for the future? We

:17:03.:17:11.

have done so. Really? Absolutely. There has been diplomatic support in

:17:12.:17:16.

trying to bring the warring sides in Libya together. External countries,

:17:17.:17:19.

as we have seen in Iraq and elsewhere, cannot dictate to local

:17:20.:17:22.

people who they make their alliances with and whether they live in peace

:17:23.:17:29.

with their fellow citizens. There has been substantial involvements,

:17:30.:17:33.

but I do acknowledge the international community, in which I

:17:34.:17:36.

include the United States, could have given more priority to Libya

:17:37.:17:42.

and not been preoccupied entirely with Syria and Iraq and Islamic

:17:43.:17:50.

State. What is the solution? In Libya? Libya has a very small

:17:51.:17:56.

population living in a vast territorial area. People along the

:17:57.:18:02.

northern coastline of Libya come from different tribal backgrounds.

:18:03.:18:09.

During the whole kernel Qaddafi dictatorship, which lasted 30 years,

:18:10.:18:14.

it was a personal dictatorship. He refused local democracy and local

:18:15.:18:20.

involvement in the governance of their own country. So you had a

:18:21.:18:24.

vacuum when he fell and it is taking a long time to build the

:18:25.:18:28.

foundations. Even the foundations didn't exist of a modern, more

:18:29.:18:32.

successful of a co-operative Society. Modern extremists are

:18:33.:18:41.

trying to exploit that. Many of these extremists are expats, they

:18:42.:18:46.

are not even Libyans trying to get opportunities from the internal

:18:47.:18:50.

difficulties. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:18:51.:18:53.

Coming up in the last half hour of the programme.

:18:54.:18:55.

Is the Government failing to protect whistleblowers in the NHS

:18:56.:18:58.

The most senior cleric in the Anglican church has warned

:18:59.:19:08.

against condemning people who fear the impact of large-scale

:19:09.:19:10.

Archbishop Justin Welby said people were entitled to fear the impact

:19:11.:19:15.

of large numbers of migrants on their communities.

:19:16.:19:20.

Tony Blair has urged supporters of the European Union

:19:21.:19:23.

to argue their case with passion, vigour and determination.

:19:24.:19:26.

The former Prime Minister said that wanting to stay in wasn't just

:19:27.:19:31.

better for the rich or privileged, but also for ordinary people

:19:32.:19:34.

Downing Street and the White House insist there's still a strong

:19:35.:19:39.

'special relationship' between Britain and the US -

:19:40.:19:41.

despite unexpected criticism from President Obama.

:19:42.:19:42.

He said David Cameron had become distracted after the military

:19:43.:19:44.

intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

:19:45.:19:47.

People across Japan have bowed their heads in memory

:19:48.:20:09.

of the 18,000 victims of the catastrophic earthquake

:20:10.:20:11.

and tsunami which devastated the country's north east coast five

:20:12.:20:13.

John Watson has the sport headlines now, and it was quite a night

:20:14.:20:18.

It's advantage Liverpool after they beat Manchester United

:20:19.:20:21.

2-0 in the first leg of their Europa League tie

:20:22.:20:23.

at Anfield - a defeat which prompted yet more criticism of manager

:20:24.:20:26.

Tottenham's European adventure looks over after they were heavily beaten

:20:27.:20:36.

in Germany, losing 3-0 to Borussia Dortmund.

:20:37.:20:41.

Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova must accept hairband and is

:20:42.:20:50.

surprised the rocket manufacturer, head has vowed to stand by her. He

:20:51.:20:54.

said he has only been drug tested twice this season, which isn't

:20:55.:20:59.

enough. And Eddie Jones has brought an end to his self-imposed media

:21:00.:21:02.

ban, explaining he had opted not to speak in the run-up to the six

:21:03.:21:07.

Nations match with Wales because he wanted to take a backward step from

:21:08.:21:10.

the press. Not that he will want his team to do that on the pitch. That

:21:11.:21:16.

is all the sport for now. The Government has failed to do

:21:17.:21:24.

enough to protect and encourage whistleblowers to come forward,

:21:25.:21:26.

a group of MPs is warning today. The House of Commons Public Accounts

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Committee says it's "disappointed by the lack of urgency shown

:21:30.:21:31.

in dealing with this important topic" and demanded more be done

:21:32.:21:34.

to drive through changes. In a previous report from two years

:21:35.:21:36.

ago, the committee said whistleblowers "have been

:21:37.:21:39.

shockingly treated", and warned that attempts

:21:40.:21:40.

by government departments to improve their policies had failed

:21:41.:21:42.

"in modifying a bullying culture". Let's hear from an NHS

:21:43.:21:47.

whistleblower. DR Raj Mattu, a cardiologist

:21:48.:21:49.

who worked at Walsgrave Hospital in Coventry, was sacked in 2010

:21:50.:21:51.

after revealing that two patients had died in dangerously overcrowded

:21:52.:21:54.

bays nine years previously. An employment tribunal ruled

:21:55.:21:58.

that he had been unfairly dismissed and he was eventually awarded

:21:59.:22:02.

?1.2 million in damages by hospital Also with us, David Mowat

:22:03.:22:05.

the Conservative MP for Warrington South, who sits

:22:06.:22:08.

on the Public Accounts Committee What happened to you? Coventry is my

:22:09.:22:11.

hometown and I was asked to go back there after spending time in

:22:12.:22:29.

London to help set the new medical school of Art Warwick University.

:22:30.:22:34.

The first thing that struck me was the managers in the hospital were

:22:35.:22:39.

not there for the same reasons most clinicians are, patient safety were

:22:40.:22:43.

not the priority and they were too busy chasing their careers and

:22:44.:22:49.

government targets. As I started raising concerns about safety and

:22:50.:22:55.

under resourcing, they fell on deaf ears initially. When an independent

:22:56.:23:00.

enquiry by the commission for health improvement showed us to have an

:23:01.:23:01.

excessive death rate of 60%, almost chip, the trust denied that any

:23:02.:23:18.

patients had been put at risk. I felt compelled to go on BBC TV to

:23:19.:23:25.

describe the two depths I knew of in relation to overcrowding. How were

:23:26.:23:29.

you treated after that? It was a brutal and dirty campaign

:23:30.:23:38.

to discredit me and distract from the whistle-blowing issues I raised,

:23:39.:23:41.

to focus more on me in the hope that if they discredited me, the

:23:42.:23:46.

whistle-blowing could be smothered and forgotten about. That, sadly,

:23:47.:23:49.

has happened. What impact did it have on you? It affected my

:23:50.:23:55.

health. I have suffered autoimmune problem. My wife and I

:23:56.:24:13.

delayed getting married. The normal milestones and things people

:24:14.:24:17.

enjoyed, we were prevented from doing. Each year they crept further

:24:18.:24:22.

and further and I had one of the most expensive suspensions in the

:24:23.:24:29.

NHS of five and a half years. Then they held a disciplinary process

:24:30.:24:31.

in my absence and dismissed me. They took 200 cases to the GMC, hoping

:24:32.:24:43.

one would stick so they could hold it against me. Fortunately for me

:24:44.:24:50.

the GMC did not uphold any one of them. Apart from keeping me out of

:24:51.:24:57.

work for so long, they have prevented patients from the care I

:24:58.:25:06.

would have provided. It is an estimated ?14 million plus trying to

:25:07.:25:12.

deal with me. By becoming a skilled, I am at the mercy of Jeremy Hunt,

:25:13.:25:17.

the secretary of state and the chief of the NHS, to intervene and put

:25:18.:25:22.

right, finally, the damage that has been done from me doing the right

:25:23.:25:26.

thing and speaking out for the public.

:25:27.:25:27.

David from the Public Accounts Committee,

:25:28.:25:30.

been done to encourage and protect whistle-blowers, could this happen

:25:31.:25:35.

again? The story you have just heard is an

:25:36.:25:44.

awful story and it is the reason two years ago, the Public Accounts

:25:45.:25:47.

Committee looked at this. He asked, could it happen again?

:25:48.:25:50.

It could, I suppose. We need to put in processes, procedures and culture

:25:51.:25:56.

that stops it happening, or makes it

:25:57.:25:57.

unlikely. How much has changed since your last

:25:58.:25:59.

report? As you said at the start, we have reviewed how far the

:26:00.:26:07.

government have got at implementing what we

:26:08.:26:15.

said two years ago. We were disappointed at the pace of change.

:26:16.:26:17.

There was a task group in Whitehall set up to make

:26:18.:26:22.

this institutionalised. It has met once in 18 months.

:26:23.:26:27.

It is not adequate. There is not enough evidence all departments are

:26:28.:26:31.

taking this seriously. There is still no evidence the

:26:32.:26:37.

government has extended their policies into, if you like,

:26:38.:26:41.

a lot of public services. We would like to see action on all of these

:26:42.:26:47.

things. Because the story we have In the meantime, what is the

:26:48.:26:57.

incentive for people to go to their losses and say, this isn't

:26:58.:27:00.

worried about, it isn't right for patient safety and it seems

:27:01.:27:05.

dangerous to me? The incentive is people have tried

:27:06.:27:07.

to do the right thing. It is a professional

:27:08.:27:09.

position they take. It is not about incentives, it is

:27:10.:27:22.

about ensuring, having had those complaints, the organisation doesn't

:27:23.:27:27.

just say, we are going to get rid of you, it says we are going to

:27:28.:27:29.

necessarily in a way that makes other people blame other people, but

:27:30.:27:34.

address them and get them fixed. hasn't been the case, it is about

:27:35.:27:42.

culture, defensiveness and it is about people not doing their jobs

:27:43.:27:44.

properly. Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary,

:27:45.:27:51.

they have talked about getting rid of the culture of fear and blame.

:27:52.:27:54.

Talked about this week about NHS staff not facing any

:27:55.:28:01.

prosecution, for example. There would be

:28:02.:28:02.

immunity for people who raised concerns or issues about patient

:28:03.:28:05.

safety, for example. But the culture has got a long way

:28:06.:28:14.

to go hasn't it? First of all, all whistle-blowers

:28:15.:28:14.

the report the Public Accounts Committee have come up with.

:28:15.:28:22.

Unfortunately, it reinforces what we have been

:28:23.:28:23.

saying as whistle-blowers, in all walks of life. We have been calling

:28:24.:28:31.

for a very long time, and I think the report reinforces this. I think

:28:32.:28:32.

it is to have a national office of the

:28:33.:28:38.

whistle-blower, which takes responsibility, not just in the

:28:39.:28:42.

health service, but for whistle-blowing in general. The

:28:43.:28:46.

committee reported on senior civil servants felt they couldn't go

:28:47.:28:46.

outside what they are presently doing in

:28:47.:28:47.

government departments, because ability or the know-how on how to do

:28:48.:28:57.

it. If they set up a national office of which the NHS would form one arm,

:28:58.:29:04.

it would stop protecting the public for the first time.

:29:05.:29:05.

The concerns I have raised and hundreds of the whistle-blowers have

:29:06.:29:14.

raised, never get investigated. So valuable

:29:15.:29:14.

lessons to improve to make sure it doesn't happen to somebody else are

:29:15.:29:20.

lost. Focus becomes the whistle-blower and the destruction

:29:21.:29:22.

of the whistle-blower. We have hundreds of people who are

:29:23.:29:28.

whistle-blowers, very skilled people who have no role in the NHS, because

:29:29.:29:30.

it will not re-employ them. I urge

:29:31.:29:31.

those in charge to redeploy that skill set to help solve the problem

:29:32.:29:40.

the committee has highlighted and engage

:29:41.:29:41.

them to become part of the solution and not stigmatise them as traitors.

:29:42.:29:49.

Thank you both very much. We have a statement from the University

:29:50.:29:52.

hospital of Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust. It is a

:29:53.:29:59.

sick difficult reduction from the original claim and has finally

:30:00.:30:05.

resolve this matter. We accept it has been difficult for all involved

:30:06.:30:08.

and are relieved this case has now been brought to an end.

:30:09.:30:13.

The youngest chairman in British football has told Newsbeat his age

:30:14.:30:15.

has not stopped him getting respect in the game.

:30:16.:30:17.

David Sharpe was just 23 when he took charge

:30:18.:30:20.

of League One Wigan and he wasn't afraid to quickly

:30:21.:30:22.

He sacked their manager Malky McKay after just a month in the job.

:30:23.:30:27.

David took over from his Grandad Dave Whelan at the DW

:30:28.:30:29.

BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Mike Williams spent a match

:30:30.:30:33.

COMMENTATOR: Wigan having a cracking season.

:30:34.:30:37.

A year ago this weekend, the chairman of Wigan,

:30:38.:30:42.

Dave Whelan, handed over the reins of this club

:30:43.:30:44.

And I think he's just arrived here now.

:30:45.:30:51.

Less than two months after David took over the club,

:30:52.:30:53.

But the 2013 FA Cup winners are now fighting to get back promoted

:30:54.:31:01.

to the Championship at the first attempt.

:31:02.:31:03.

A couple of years ago I was probably going out more and enjoying myself

:31:04.:31:09.

more, now I have to be careful as to how you live your life.

:31:10.:31:12.

But, I mean, I'm a single lad so I do enjoy a night out every now

:31:13.:31:16.

and again, but it is different when I do,

:31:17.:31:18.

no, there's people know who you are and they all want to be

:31:19.:31:22.

mates with you for the wrong reasons, so I keep my group

:31:23.:31:24.

A lot of people think, how can a 23-year-old

:31:25.:31:28.

run a football club, but what people forget is that

:31:29.:31:30.

people are in football clubs these days who have never watched

:31:31.:31:33.

a game in their life, even when they buy it

:31:34.:31:35.

In terms of football experience, I've got a lot more

:31:36.:31:39.

What would you say to those fans who might say that your grandad

:31:40.:31:44.

is the one who still really pulling the strings?

:31:45.:31:46.

He's been in Barbados for four months and he dropped his phone

:31:47.:31:49.

in the sea, so he's definitely not pulling the strings!

:31:50.:31:51.

He obviously calls me after a game if we win and says well done,

:31:52.:31:54.

he's a hard-working guy, he's a businessman.

:31:55.:31:56.

He puts his work first but his family means a lot to him.

:31:57.:32:00.

When my dad passed away, we pulled in close as a family

:32:01.:32:03.

and he's a special guy and I love him, yes.

:32:04.:32:05.

And to talk about your life just supporting Wigan,

:32:06.:32:07.

It wasn't just because my grandad owned the club, I was born in Wigan,

:32:08.:32:13.

so I was a mascot when I was younger, my little brother was even

:32:14.:32:17.

a mascot at Wembley when we won the club.

:32:18.:32:19.

We will all in the royal box and I think we were the only people

:32:20.:32:33.

to have ever done shots in the Royal box.

:32:34.:32:36.

We did a couple. What sort of music is on your pre-match playlist? I

:32:37.:32:47.

love R and deep house, nothing in between. That is probably not normal

:32:48.:32:53.

for a chairman. Post-season trip to Ibiza for the players if they get

:32:54.:33:01.

promoted? No comment. With kick-off approaching, David

:33:02.:33:04.

heads for his pre-match prep, while the players get ready to take to the

:33:05.:33:07.

pitch. With just a couple of minutes to go

:33:08.:33:11.

before kick-off, the players are out on the pitch. David has sorted me

:33:12.:33:16.

out with a Wigan athletic scar. He could not get me in the direct does

:33:17.:33:21.

box, but he has got me a ticket for the main stand. -- the directors

:33:22.:33:25.

box. The Wigan keeper just took a pretty

:33:26.:33:35.

bad knock on the goal-line. He has been taken off, and with just 20

:33:36.:33:41.

minutes gone Wigan are making a substitution, bringing on their

:33:42.:33:43.

substitute goalie. Despite having lost their last five

:33:44.:33:47.

matches, Peter Brett starts strongly and have Wigan on the back foot. --

:33:48.:33:53.

Peterborough starts strongly. The first 25 minutes of the second top

:33:54.:33:56.

do not look much better, but then finally... Wigan score!

:33:57.:34:09.

Finally a breakthrough for Wigan after 71 minutes. They are a goal in

:34:10.:34:14.

front and on the way to victory. Home side celebrations are short

:34:15.:34:22.

lived. Over the wall, curling it in! Madison has equalised! A corner to

:34:23.:34:29.

Wigan, will this be the breakthrough? No.

:34:30.:34:34.

The visitors are controversially denied a late penalty, so it ends

:34:35.:34:38.

1-1, but the fanzine reasonably happy. -- the fans seem. Not that

:34:39.:34:48.

great, but another point closer. Dave Sharpe is a good chairman,

:34:49.:34:54.

everything is good. What is so good? He is ambitious and you're like the

:34:55.:34:58.

squad, he has had that velocity from the beginning. -- ambitious and

:34:59.:35:04.

young. He has always wanted a young team, hungry back for promotion,

:35:05.:35:08.

they could fire roasted the Championship, and then where? I'm

:35:09.:35:13.

lucky. A free kick came from nowhere. But they are not a bad

:35:14.:35:20.

team. That is a point gained. Promotion is the main game, you

:35:21.:35:27.

cannot throw too much money at it and leave the club vulnerable, so

:35:28.:35:32.

you need to create and by young players, and have experienced ones

:35:33.:35:36.

around to nurture them. Once you get a winning habit, it is hard to give

:35:37.:35:41.

up. Thank you so much for your time, mate. Best of luck for the rest of

:35:42.:35:49.

the season. Let's see yourself eat, have a look. Will you get an album?

:35:50.:35:57.

I have them on my wall! There goes the Peterborough bus, a

:35:58.:36:03.

big match at the DW Stadium. It is clear that Dave is a very popular

:36:04.:36:08.

chairman, there is a lot of love for him, he is hands-on and the fans

:36:09.:36:13.

react it did not work out today against Peterborough, but if they

:36:14.:36:16.

get promotion back to the Championship, it will be a job

:36:17.:36:21.

perfectly well done for David in his first year in charge.

:36:22.:36:32.

You can share that film online. We have been talking about sexual

:36:33.:36:35.

harassment, being groped and sexually assaulted in public. In

:36:36.:36:40.

public transport, gigs, clubs, the street. So many of you experience

:36:41.:36:47.

this. We will talk to a couple of you as you got into it in a moment.

:36:48.:36:52.

Fight a few of you feel it is not taken seriously by bosses or the

:36:53.:36:55.

police, almost two thirds of women in the UK say they have been a

:36:56.:36:58.

victim of it. I feel like women, and men, don't

:36:59.:37:05.

think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

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think oh, have I done something to warrant this behaviour towards me,

:37:11.:37:15.

you have not. It is not acceptable. You are a person who does not

:37:16.:37:21.

deserve to be touched up or worse on public transport in the shops. It

:37:22.:37:24.

happened so often and people just don't think it is a normal thing to

:37:25.:37:31.

report it, and it is, it should be. That was Jessica Brady, who was

:37:32.:37:36.

assaulted on the tube last year. Let's talk to 22-year-old Olivia

:37:37.:37:41.

from Guildford in Surrey, and 28 year macro Natalie from Southwark in

:37:42.:37:46.

south London. Good morning, both. Natalie, let's start with you, what

:37:47.:37:51.

happened a couple of years ago? A couple of years ago I was on the

:37:52.:38:00.

train and I noticed that someone was basically masturbating at me. On the

:38:01.:38:11.

train. What did you do? I called the police almost immediately. First of

:38:12.:38:16.

all, I said to the person, I can see what you're doing, it's disgusting,

:38:17.:38:21.

get off the train. And they did. I immediately called the police and

:38:22.:38:26.

the police were really good. They took it seriously, obviously. Yeah,

:38:27.:38:36.

a few months later the person was arrested and this eventually went to

:38:37.:38:41.

court and the person was convicted. They work conducted of exposure. The

:38:42.:38:47.

truck with a convicted of. I kind of felt like it was more than a case of

:38:48.:38:53.

exposure, he was masturbating. I felt like there should be a separate

:38:54.:39:00.

charge for those things. The experience of sitting there as he

:39:01.:39:05.

did that, what impact did it have on you? It was awful, really. This

:39:06.:39:09.

wasn't the first time this has happened to me. I have been victim

:39:10.:39:17.

and witness to being masturbated at about a four or five times in my

:39:18.:39:25.

lifetime, since the age of 15 to 26. I just think for one person to have

:39:26.:39:31.

that experience so many times, it is a very depressing thing to have to

:39:32.:39:39.

deal with, that being quite a common and frequent occurrence. And that is

:39:40.:39:44.

just me. It is unbelievable, it is absolutely vital. Olivia, what about

:39:45.:39:55.

yourself? -- it is absolutely Fed. I was on holiday in Greece, we work

:39:56.:40:00.

coding, I was dancing on a platform, a man put his hand up my skirt and

:40:01.:40:06.

touch my private regions before I could slap his hand away, which I

:40:07.:40:10.

did eventually. There was a big crowd, so the staff could not really

:40:11.:40:14.

do anything. I did not report it because I did not know him, I did

:40:15.:40:19.

not know if he was English or Greek. I was really shocked, more shocked

:40:20.:40:23.

than scared, to be honest. It is amazing but some people think that

:40:24.:40:26.

is all right behaviour. Unbelievable. Is there something

:40:27.:40:31.

about the apathy of a nightclub on holiday, I don't know, everyone has

:40:32.:40:37.

had a few drinks? -- about the atmosphere of. I wonder if some

:40:38.:40:42.

people think, yeah, this is what happens? It almost normalises it for

:40:43.:40:46.

some people, even girls, they think it is OK to be touched like that,

:40:47.:40:51.

the boy is drunk and the girl is wearing something provocative, maybe

:40:52.:40:55.

dancing in a certain way, it sends out a signal to say I want this, but

:40:56.:40:59.

if you have not said it, it is not OK. Natalie, the man charged with

:41:00.:41:06.

exposure, what was the punishment? What happened to him? He wasn't put

:41:07.:41:14.

on the sex offenders register, I know that, but there were certain

:41:15.:41:18.

implications with the job that he was working in. I think it was

:41:19.:41:25.

community service and a fine. He appealed and it had to go to court

:41:26.:41:29.

again, and I had to give evidence again as a witness, which was an

:41:30.:41:35.

awful thing to have to do, and to do it twice. He was convicted again and

:41:36.:41:41.

had to pay a fine. Thank you both very much for talking to us, Natalie

:41:42.:41:46.

in south London and Olivia in Surrey.

:41:47.:41:52.

As we reported earlier, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is

:41:53.:41:55.

outlining new economic plans for Labour ahead of the Budget next

:41:56.:42:00.

week. He says he promises any future Labour Government would balance the

:42:01.:42:03.

books by matching day-to-day spending with the amount it raises

:42:04.:42:08.

in taxes. Speaking in London, he says Labour must rewrite the rules

:42:09.:42:11.

to prove it can be trusted with the country's finances. The old rules

:42:12.:42:16.

meant relying too much in tax revenue from financials that this is

:42:17.:42:19.

an too much on expensive funding schemes like PFI. -- from financial

:42:20.:42:25.

services. We did not do enough to clamp down on tax avoidance. Show

:42:26.:42:30.

how we can account for every penny in tax revenue raised, and every

:42:31.:42:34.

penny spent. There is nothing left-wing about an ever-increasing

:42:35.:42:38.

Government debt or borrowing to cover day-to-day expenses. Borrowing

:42:39.:42:44.

today is money to repay tomorrow. With a greater and greater

:42:45.:42:47.

proportion of Government debt held by those in the rest of the world,

:42:48.:42:51.

Government borrowing increasingly represents a net loss for those of

:42:52.:42:56.

us living here. The public, quite rightly, one is a Government

:42:57.:43:01.

responsible for its finances, and we in the Labour Party now have to show

:43:02.:43:04.

them how we will act as a responsible guardian of those

:43:05.:43:09.

finances. We should not be the Labour Party that only thinks about

:43:10.:43:14.

how to spend. We are the party that thinks about how to earn money. The

:43:15.:43:21.

clue is in our name. We are the party of labour, of the wealth

:43:22.:43:24.

creators, technicians, designers, Sheena is, entrepreneurs, workers

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and small businesses. We need to get back to the best of our tradition.

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John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor. On Monday, an exclusive

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interview with a British man convicted in the United States on

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terrorism charges. Other Ahmed received a sentence of 12 and a half

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years for providing support for the Taliban at a time when they were

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harbouring Osama bin Laden. Watches full story for the first time on

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Monday at 9:15am. -- watch his full story. Have a good weekend.

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