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Friends of Paul Daniels pay tribute to the magician. Joanna Gosling looks at how the Chancellor's Budget will affect people in different parts of the economy.

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Hello it's Thursday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,


The television magician Paul Daniels has died at the age of 77


after being diagnosed with a brain tumour.


We'll bring you memories of Paul throughout the programme; do get


Also this morning: A promise to balance the books by 2020,


but do Chancellor George Osborne's sums add up?


His budget will be closely looked at by experts today.


What I'm saying in this budget is we have got to hold to the cause that


we have set out. We have to take action on the public finances sothat


we are stable and secure and don't pay later and we've got to back


small businesses, the self-employed, working people, by cutting their


taxes and helping our economy to grow.


As he confirms the outlook for our economy isn't as healthy


as he thought we'll ask our panel how confident they feel


The doctor who has acted as an expert witness for parents


accused of killing of harming their children will find out today


if her fitness to practise has been impaired.


She tell us she's not prepared for losing her job.


It's completely devastating. This reflects on 23 32 years as a


paediatric neuropathologist. I think unblemished many, many publications


in the scientific literature and to have that come to an end in this way


is terribly, terribly painful. Also ahead, pet owners convicted


of dangerous dogs will face harsher punishments under new sentencing


guidelines in England and Wales. We speak to one woman


attacked and badly hurt She tells us new sentences


won't make any difference. Welcome this morning. We want to


hear from you on everything we are talking about today. You can get in


touch in the usual ways. If you text, you will be charged at


standard network rate and you can watch the programme online wherever


you are. First this morning,


the magician and comedian Paul Daniels has died


after being diagnosed He had his own magic show on the BBC


which ran for 15 years. He was at his Berkshire home


with his wife Debbie when he died Nick Higham looks back at his life:


Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC


News Channel until 11 this morning. He took old-fashioned


magic and re-fashioned it He became a fixture


in the Saturday night schedules. He'd started in northern clubs,


combining magic with a chirpy, One, two, out the way,


you are not supposed to go slow. He devised a catch phrase


to deal with hecklers. As Maureen, Debbie and Bobby go


inside the tent, the tent Some of his illusions


were staggerings, like making an elephant disappear


in the middle of a field. Welcome your host on


Wipeout, Paul Daniels... For 20 years, he was one of the most


popular entertainers. And made guest appearances


in programmes like Strictly Come Oh, sorry, love, I thought


you were ready for bed. What first attracted


you to the millionaire Paul He was famous for his toupe and for


his marriage to Debby Magee which amused many people.


What first attracted you to the millionaire Paul


The couple seemed genuinely happy together.


Paul Daniels could be chippy and some thought him smug.


He fell out with BBC managers who dropped his show in the 90s,


but there was no doubting his popularity.


Paul Daniels. Let's talk to Lizo Mzimba, he was big on the small


screen at a time when success meant massive fame? Absolutely.


Particularly in the 80s, looking back at some of the clips we have


been looking at reminds you of how popular he was. There were people


out there who were great magicians with sleight of hand et cetera and


there were people out there who we are great entertainers, he could


combine both and that's what made him into such a star. He learnt the


skills from an early age and he was almost a half comedian, half


magician working with people in clubs, then at TV he knew


instinctively how to work with the camera with the audience at home.


With fast patter, he combined those things into becoming one of this


great magicians and entertainers. The broadcasters recognised that, so


he did the shows like Every Second Counts, because he had an incredible


amount of charisma in front of him. You saw his patter, that kind of


machine-gun sticato patter, he was one of the greats and was so popular


for so long. Although this news has been expected for the last few


weeks, still so very sad for so many people. We are going to talk to


Graham Howe, organiser of the War Grave Festival of which Paul Daniels


was a supporter. It's a please sure to be on and Paul was a great


contributor to our community and we are delighted to pay tribute to him.


What sort of things did he do? The War Great Festival is a biannual


festival with 40 events over two weeks. From the very first time that


Debbie and Paul got involved, they'd been joining in, whether it's


joining in the parade and coming to events, they put on a magic show for


the RNLI and they also helped us get a number of events moving with the


theatre workshop and doing an event which was Strictly Come Dancing


where they came along as judges. They were always very generous with


their time, both Paul and Debbie and were very good at giving us advice


in running the events. Of course, he didn't have to do that, is that a


measure of the man you knew? Indeed. When we were in his house one day


talking about his magic show, of course we were the amateurs and he


was the professional, so there was a lot of things we didn't know or


mistakes that we were making. He was very good at putting us right


without us feeling that we were doing it badly. He was very


professional in his approach but equally, we'd see them in the local


pub and they would just join in as normal human beings even though he


was a worldwide celebrity. How will you remember him? As a kind,


generous man and, actually, what you saw is what you got.


Thank you, thank you very much for joining us Graham Howe. Lots of


reaction coming through on Twitter. Keith Chegwin, TV presenter says,


we've lost a lovely, kind and magic man, lover you and thinking of you,


I shall miss you a lot. Paul Chuckle from the Chuckle Brothers said to


hear of the death of Paul Daniels, RIP, thoughts with the family.er


Darren Day, RIP, God bless, thoughts with his family and friends. He was


a nice man. Arlene Phillips says, sorry to hear of the death of Paul


Daniels my dhawingts are with you. Graham texted to say sorry to hear


the news, he was very much part of the '80s era I grew up in. My heart


felt regards and sympathy to Debbie and the family. A text, very sad


news hearing about Paul Daniels, a member of the magic circle for many


years, thoughts with Debbie, he'll be missed. John on by thor, a


cheerful man, we need more people like that in this overpoliced


miserable world now. Let us know how you will remember


Paul Dan yeses and we'll have much more throughout the programme --


Paul Daniels. The fine detail of the budget


will come under increasing scrutiny today after the Chancellor's promise


to get the government books back It is that promise that will be


examined closely by money experts at the Institute for Fiscal Studies


who will reveal their verdict today. Although George Osborne gave


warnings about the risks the economy faces there were give aways


and promises, declaring his budget was one that 'puts the next


generation first'. Let's recap the headlines;


the budget started withthe bad news. Growth forecasts for the UK economy


have been revised down markedly for the next five yearswith more


cuts planned to help The surprise one, a tax on sugary


drinks followed by tax cuts for small businesses; a raising


of the tax free personal allowance,fuel duty to be frozen


for the sixth consecutive year; Earlier George Osborne defended


the move to cut benefits for disabled people insisting,


in fact, they would get more We are increasing the money


available to young people. That money will go up as a budget, so we


have to make sure we help the most vulnerable in society and we are


responding to an independent report, it wasn't as part of the budget, we


did this last week, and the Work and Pensions department is saying, what


can we do to make sure this disability benefit is focussed on


those who need our help most but it's a rising budget, it's not a


falling budget, and you can only afford to do that, you can only


afford to help disabled people, you can only afford to invest in schools


like the great school I'm in here in West Yorkshire, if you have that


growing economy and businesses are succeeding and small businesses are


growing and the self-employed person is watching a programme and is about


to go out to work knows that they have the Government on their side.


That's what the budget set out to do.


You've been telling us what you think of the Chancellor's


new budget, from the sugar tax to the new lifetime ISA.


We will introduce a new sugar levy on the soft drinks industry.


I have a four-month-old baby, so I was really pleased to hear


the Government was going to be introducing a tax on sugary drinks.


People who like Coke are going to drink Coke.


That's how I lost my teeth, it is all fake.


I think the sugar tax sends a very good signal that more


sugar, but I worry that it's too easy to get round.


I think that education is a far more effective and important way


This is a budget for the next generation.


effect as the tax allowance goes higher #


I think one of the biggest and best moments of the budget was definitely


As the father of a 20-year-old daughter, I am really pleased


As good as it is that I can have this lifetime ISA,


I won't have anything to put into it.


Many people have to choose between food and transport,


Well, that was a very interesting budget.


Let's get the thoughts of nay Shand Smith, a 21-year-old apprentice from


Limington. Emily Hodgson is a drama


teacher and actress living in London Sarah Stewart


is from Guildford. She receives Personal Independence


Allowance after having to give up Chris Pockett is from


a Gloucestershire based company called Renishaw - they manufacture


precision measuring equipment used Nathan, what do you think? They have


raised the apprenticeship wage. I'm doing a technical certificate


apprenticeship which means my wage is higher, but for new people coming


in, it's a very good positive for having no skills and they are


getting paid to be taught new skills which is really good. What will that


wage increase mean for you? Well, because I'm doing a technical


certificate, it doesn't affect me, but for new people coming up, it


will affect them to help them get on to earning money and getting a job.


Chris, you work for a manufacturing business, what does something like


that mean for a company like yours? Apprenticeships are incredibly


important for the future of our business. The budget was billed very


much as about the future. There are a number of things that help us as a


manufacturer within that. It was fairly neutral, nothing really


specific for manufacturing but the reduction in corporation tax down to


17%, we are already seeing reductions ahead of that. That


enables manufacturers to invest more in productivity, to make decisions


using their own money, it's better to retain the money we earn and to


spend it as we see fit. We'll spend it wisely. We invest in production


process and innovation and in people and apprenticeships are one of


those, we have 120 apprentices in training, we are recruiting 45 this


year, so being able to retain more of our profits and invest for the


future is important and enables more manufacturers that we supply


globally to up skill their staff to invest in new technology, to improve


productivity. That was mentioned yesterday. I wanted to ask you


specifically about productivity because you have said you want to


invest more in productivity. The Chancellor has downgraded the


productivity or the productivity forecasts have been downgraded since


November. Tell us what that means for people that keep hearing this


word productivity and don't know what it means on the ground, so for


a business like yours? It is making sure that for every


unit of money that you put into your business, that you are getting a


much better return in terms of out put from your manufacturing process


and therefore products you can sell, there is an excellent opportunity


next month, in Birmingham at the NEC, the yuc's largest industrial


show, where there is round 600 exhibitors exhibiting the latest


technology where companies can take advantage of low interest rates to


invest for the future, and to improve their productivity, using


products like ours but others in our sector as well. Emily you are a


self-employed actress and drama teacher, you are under ho so you


qualify for this new savings lifetime ice sacks how do you see it


affecting you? That is a very good thing, I would look for that being


self-employed I don't a pay into pensions, so if there is the


possibility for me to pay into something and have that, obviously,


it is there, if I can't access it until I am much older but it would


be benefit to me. Do you have the spare income to do that? Not a the


moment, that is something I would look for in future, I don't know if


that is something we have to start immediately. I don't know the


conditions of this, so that is something I would look into, so that


would be beneficial, so it is difficult to comprehend that.


Anything else in the budget you think will materially affect you? I


think the Crossrail 2 is a huge asset for anybody living in London,


because the commuter trains constantly are being a real problem,


something that lives in north London and commuting, because I am


freelance, I do lots of travel so that would be brilliant. Let us


bring in Sarah Stewart. You get the PIP, the incapacity payment, changes


have been announced, cut have been announced, us what your situation is


at the moment and will it will be affected by the budget? Yes, I will


be affected by the budget, after of next year I won't qualify for the


PIP daily care part, because they are reducing the point scheme, which


leave us with just my ESA coming in, so it's a big change. I called it


incapacity payment, it is independence payments, so when you


say it will be a big change, what change will that make to you on a


day-to-day basis, do you think? Well, it's like having the


additional costs from being disabled, like needing automatic


car, to extra heating, prescription, I don't get free prescriptions, so


just losing that money will have a knock-on effect. Is there anything


else in the budget that will directly affect you, do you think?


To be honest, I haven't really looked that far into it. I got as


far as... INAUDIBLE. It is very depressing and demoralise, it, yes.


Why do you feel that way? It is just the constant pressure, the


assessments, the rigmarole, I went through a court case, to win my PIP,


and now next year I will be losing it, and it is just, like I say, it


is constant barrage of assessments and needing to prove how disabled


you are, to somebody over a desk. Chris, as a businessman, how do you


feel about the future? The Chancellor talked of storm clouds


gathering and the various growth forecasts being downgraded, do you


feel like the picture has changed since November? We are a global


business, so 95% of our sales are actually exports, so we are, our


largest markets are China, USA and Japan and Germany. The UK only


represents 5% of our business, what we are seeing in the UK, the


companies we are supplying to are doing very well. Significant


investment, significant growth in their sectors so there is hope here,


with some of the things I have mentioned, reduction in corps


co-ration tax, what that means is we can retain that money, invest for


the future and create more wealth because fundamentally there is only


three-ways to create it, dig it out of the ground, you grow it or you


make thing, and that is what we as a manufacturer do, we will therefore


recruit more people, we have doubled or staff in the last few year, we


have gone from 1200 to 2700 over the last six year, so and those people


pay tax, we pay more corporation tax, so you know, from the


manufacturing sector, generally things are good and those of us


exporting are still doing well. Thank you all very much. Chris,


Nathan, Emily and Sarah. Manufacture Let us know what you think, and you


can keep up-to-date online with our budget live update tsds and the key


points. -- updates.


More tributes to Paul Daniels who has died today at the age of 77.


We will have much more coming up. Also still to come, the doctor who


has acted as an expert witness for parents accused of killing or


harming their children, we find out if a fitness to practise has been


put in place. She says she is not prepared for losing her job.


The magician and comedian, Paul Daniels, has died


He became one of the biggest stars on television during the eighties,


thanks to 'The Paul Daniels Magic Show', which he presented


alongside his wife, and glamorous assistant,


He announced earlier this year that he had an incurable brain


The Chancellor George Osborne has told the BBC he remains confident


that UK public finances will be back in surplus by 2020.


He's defended the decisions made in yesterday's budget,


in which he announced higher public borrowing ahead -


citing the slowing UK economy and global economic jitters.


MPs will debate Mr Osborne's plans in parliament later.


Is have set out the plans and then a end body the Office for Budget


Responsibility has lobbed at the plans and says if you hold to the


course, if you deliver those plan, if the economy grows as expected


then we will have a surplus towards the end of the


Parliament David Cameron travels to Brussels


today for more talks He'll attend a summit of EU leaders,


which is set to be dominated by a proposed deal with Turkey,


amid warnings that Greece is becoming a refugee camp


for the rest of Europe. The number of migrants waiting


at the Greece-Macedonia border The Kurdish militant group TAK has


claimed responsibility for Sunday's terror attack in the Turkish


capital, that killed 37 people. In an online statement,


the group said the bombing in Ankara was revenge for military operations


carried out by Turkey in Kurdish Owners of dangerous dogs will face


harsher sentences if the animals have been deliberately


trained to be aggressive, under new sentencing guidelines


in England and Wales. It comes after a number of changes


to the law including a new offence those plan, if the economy grows as


expected then we will have a surplus towards the end of the


Parliament Cliff Mitchell more has died at the age of 96. Best known as


the host of Tonight he covers events including the Apollo Monday


landings. Tony Hall said he was an outstanding broadcaster.


To the sport now with Will Perry; and Will, Arsenal's season isn't


Good morning. Coming up at ten we will have reaction the Champions


League where Arsenal were knocked out in the last 16 for the sixth


year running, Neymar, Suarez and Messi with Barca's goal. Arsene


Wenger says they are the best three strikers that he has ever seen, they


say, he says they transformed normal life into art. We will hear from


Wenger. The 11 sixths for West Indies


batsman crease gale which sent England to a six wicket defeat.


Action from that to come as well. England's women they get under way


against Bangladesh in half an hour, there is good news from an England


point of view with Joe Marler free to play against France. We will see


you at 10.00. Lots of tributes to Paul Daniel


coming through. St France. We will see you at 10.00.


Lots of tributes to Paul Daniel coming through. Jan said "I thought


he was talented. One memory I have is being totally lost in the


Oxfordshire countryside when Paul and Debbie drove past, I thought I


are follow them, little did I know they weren't on their way home so I


was even more lost than ever." Side when Paul and Debbie drove past, I


thought I are follow them, little did I know they weren't on their way


home so I was even more lost than ever." Ian said "Paul Daniel made it


seem so simple until you I know they weren't on their way home so I was


even more lost than ever." Ian said "Paul Daniel made it seem so simple


until you stopped to think." "Paul Daniels inspired me to be a


magician, love you Paul. Ian said "Paul Daniel made it seem so simple


until you stopped to think." "Paul Daniels inspired me to be a


magician, love you Paul." Ian "A sad loss, Ian said "Paul Daniel made it


seem so simple until you stopped to think." "Paul Daniels inspired me to


be a magician, love you Paul." Ian "A sad loss, a real entertainer."


"When Paul was on strictly he was aroom calmer." Another one says I


worked with Paul in panto, he was a wonderful kind man, they were a joy


to work alongside. He never failed to entertain us with his close up


magic and enthusiasm for his craft was infectious, a truly sad loss. We


can talk to someone inspired by Paul Daniels, the magician Jamie Raven.


Jamie, tell us, what it was about Paul Daniels that inspired you? Yes,


I think as a magician, fist and foremost you want people to be


amazed an impressed. What Paul did was he managed to entertain


everybody through the whole process, it wasn't just what he did that


amazing everybody, it was how he did it, and the jokes and the patter and


you know, the fun he had with even while he was doing it that got me


and yes, a sad day. We are seeing a picture of you with Paul, is that a


moment when you met your hero? Yes, it wasn't the first time I met him.


That was after I did, I was on Britain's Got Talent. Debbie has a


radio show and I live in Berkshire, I met him a couple of times before.


I went for an interview, she said Paul is coming in the you want to


hang on. We had a chat and we had a lovely chat and yes, that was, that


was not the last time but one of the last times I saw him. Was he a sort


of big on screen fig you for you growing up? Yes, -- figure As most


people my age, I am in my mid 30s, as I was growing up I caught the


tail end of his career. Yes, in terms of magic in this country he,


there is another... Paul Daniels was magic on the BBC and he brought,


brought it back to public consciousness, for a long time and


you know, there is not a single magician performing in this country


that wasn't inspired by him or inspired by someone who was inspired


by him. He made a huge difference to our world. When someone does


something world the trick it is make it look easy, he made it look easy,


but it is not that at all. You know, it is the old saying, for, you have


to practise for 1,000 hours before you make it look like you can do it


with your eyes shut. He was so skilled as a magician with his


hands, he was brilliant with words, so he could disarm people and catch


them off guard because he was making them laugh at the same time. It is


one of the classic ploys to misdirect people's attention, you


have to lead them elsewhere, so as I said before, that is what I loved


about what he did, it wasn't just the tricks it was how he did them,


and inspired generations since. We are seeing him performing some


tricks here, in his heyday, is there one in particular that sticks with


you? My favourite one is one of the simplest, a chop cup. A cup and


ball, you had to guess where it was in the ball or in his pocket. You


would get it wrong. Whatever you said was wrong. At the end, he would


say, I will give it a flick. When you give give it a flick under the


cup there is a lemon, this came out of nowhere, he said if you love the


lemon you will go crazy for the orange. I remember watching that,


you watch it and you know that that has come about through thousands of,


tens of thousands of hours of practise and yes, that was my


favourite. The cup and ball. I imagine when you are a magician, you


can always entertain people with a trick or two and people want to be


entertained. Yes, I think it is one of those things, that magic is great


because when you watch it live, there is no comparison to it. If you


watch it on television people will say if I was there it wouldn't get


past me, and it is one of those only things you can do live and it is


better than watching out the screen. If you have that skill you are


always able to do something for someone, they might never see it


again and it is special some time, profound, and something he was a


master of. Do you think you would have gone into magic if you hadn't


seen him on TV growing up? I doubt it to be honest, we all, we are all


inspired to do something by someone and something they have done, if he


hadn't been on television it would have been later on in my life I


would have seen magic, I was interested because of what I saw him


do, and that led me to, you know, look up other magicians and research


and try and learn. If I hadn't seen him, yes, you say we probably


wouldn't be talking now. And how will you remember him ultimately,


obviously you have the memories, from your childhood, but then, in,


recent years you met him. Yes, my memories will be as you say, first


and foremost watching the master of it, I am biassed and it is an art.


He was one of the best the world has produced. My real memory will be how


generous and gracious he was with his time for people in our


profession, with have lots of conventions in the magic world


throughout the year and Paul loved magic, he was at almost all of them.


If somebody would ask a question about a trick he would help them


out. If you had a question about something else, maybe in the world


of television or media he would help, he was someone who loved magic


and was happy to give back and he left the craft of magic in a better


place than hen he found it. That is the highest compliment I can pay


him. Thank you. Lots of tributes coming through. One


from Mark Lynsey saying, Paul was an outstanding showman, a great


entertainer of the BBC, his long-running magic show delighted


viewers, as did his quiz shows and children's favourite Wizzbit. He


will be missed and thoughts are with his family.


A Doctor Who acted as an expert witness has been found to have


misled some courts. A disciplinary panel found that the Doctor Who


disputes the diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome skewed research to


support her views. Dr Squire explained why she had a complete


turn around in her perspective on Shaken Baby Syndrome when giving


expert evidence. It was about the year 2000


when I read more information published, more research had been


published about shaken baby syndrome, and realised that this


just didn't fit with the traditional belief that shaking was the cause


of retinal and subdural haemorrhages in babies, that's bleeding behind


the eyes and around the brain, This pathology made it


clear that there may not necessarily be trauma


in these babies. And so I read as much


as I could about shaken baby syndrome, I went into great depth


about the literature, and found that, indeed,


there is very little evidence to support the shaken


baby hypothesis which is the current


mainstream view. So, from that moment,


the evidence you were giving as an expert witness


meant that you went from being in favour of the evidence


being presented before you, indicating potential abuse


of a child, to in fact regarding it Does that undermine


you and your credibility? On the contrary, this indicates that


I have taken on board the new research,


I have done a lot of reading and study, looked


at all the cases before me, and I've actually reassessed


the information rather than sticking with


the old hypothesis. So, do you completely believe that


shaken baby syndrome, I think that we don't


understand what the causes are of these features


which have been described as shaken baby syndrome, and there is nothing


I can find in the literature which supports the belief that


shaking is the cause Of course, impact


can do it and trauma can do it, and that may be


accidental or inflicted, but I don't think that


shaking is a reliable diagnosis unless we have a lot


of supporting evidence, such as damage to


the neck or grip marks and


fractures. Would you see yourself


as being on a mission to stop someone being convicted


of something you No, I'm not on a mission


at all and I'm not trying to stop convictions,


because I'm perfectly aware that people abuse babies,


and I've seen plenty of cases I'm just simply anxious to show


that this is not an automatic diagnosis, and we need


to look far more carefully and look at the range


of possible explanations before we jump to a conclusion


that a baby has During the course of the GMC


investigation, since the GMC investigation began,


you continued to give evidence as an expert witness,


and that is something that has made The GMC may find


you dishonest today. That could potentially


mean that you would be This reflects on 32 years


as a paediatric neuropathologist, I think,


unblemished, many publications in scientific literature,


and to have it all come to an end in this way is terribly,


terribly painful. I would hope I can


continue doing research Dominic Hughes, our Health


Correspondent, tell us more about this case? As Dr Squire outlined,


the background to this is this very bitter split within the scientific


community over Shaken Baby Syndrome. The majority view, as Dr Squire


explained, is the majority view is that three signs need to be present,


so swelling of the brain, bleeding between the skull and the brain and


bleeding in the retina. If those signs are present, broadly speaking,


the majority view is that there is a good chance a baby has been shaken.


Dr Squire believes those symptoms can be caused, those signs can be


caused by other thing, for example a low level fall. But, the GMC, the


panel, the independent panel that heard months and months of evidence


from expert witnesses, was very clear that they weren't entering


into a discussion of that scientific row, if you like. What they were


looking at specifically was her conduct as an expert witness and,


broadly speaking, there were two charges that she faced really. One


was that she went way beyond the boundaries of where her expertise


lay so she started in court cases talking about things like


ophthalmology or biomechanics which as I understand it is what happens


to the brain when the brain is moved around inside the skull through


shaking, she started toe talk about those areas which she wasn't quality


tide to talk about. The second charge -- wasn't qualified to talk


about. The second charge is that she cherry picked from evidence of other


cases to support the fact that maybe these babies hadn't been shaken. It


centres around six particular cases. Dr Squire has given evidence in


doeses of cases -- dozenses of cases. It's alleged she overstepped


the mark and misrepresent odd they are people's research and that panel


last week, on Friday, found she member misleading and dishonest.


They say she was irresponsible in her evidence to the court. So today,


what we are going to hear, is the second stage of this process about


whether or not her fitness to practise as a doctor has been


impaired in the light of those findings and then there is a further


stage that, given that, if they do find she's been impaired, then they


will next week I understand, decide what sanctions they are going to


bring against her. That could be anything from no sanctions to


operating under supervision or limitations or being struck off from


the medical register all together. Charities say they everythey have


been denied millions of pounds because of messages on websites


which suggest donation may be more from one person had the part of the


Giftaid taken off. And the migrant crisis is top of the agenda today.


A deal has broadly been agreed. For each Syrian sent back, a Syrian


already in Turkey would be resettled in the EU. Turkey would also get


extra money and more progress on the country's integration with the EU.


That summit will take place later today. But what about the migrant


who is've survived the journey? They have been recounting their perilous


voyage. The journey from the Turkish shore


to the Greek shore was very horrific, because


we've got children. Our correspondents Rob


Watson is in Brussels. What is likely to happen with this


deal? I often think the summits are doomed to success in the sense that


diplomats can't bear the idea of politicians walking away from an EU


summit, it would send off such a terrible signal, but obvious think


there are some big questions out there. If there is a deal, will it


work? In other words, will this plan of deterring people from setting out


on this journey by returning people from Greece toe Turkey, is that


practical, will it be legal, can that be pulled off? Then of course,


the second big issue at the summit is, what price, what political price


EU member states are willing to pay Turkey for its cooperation. In some


ways, these EU summits are doomed to success, people need a deal. The


question is, will it work? Thank you Rob.


Coming up, tougher sentences for the owners of dogs that kill


Sunny from you as always, is the weather as sunny?


Yes, but it's been a cloudy start. Fog still around. Weather-watchers


doing us proud. Picture from Dorset this morning, a lovely sun rise. It


wasn't like that everywhere. In Norfolk, a lot of low cloud and also


some fog. Now, what is happening is, we have very low cloud rolling in


from the North Sea, it's a cold North Sea, so some of this is taking


its time to clear. It's not everywhere. As we drift over to the


other side of the country in Cumbria, we have blue skies, so we


have an east west split. In the west, sunny, pleasant after a cold


start, but in central and eastern areas, there is a lot of low cloud.


It will be thin and it will break and we'll see some sunshine today.


Hurray for that. Today we have sunny spells. There is


an exception to that rule, that is across parts of eastern Scotland and


also parts of eastern England. Now, we've had a lot of cloud here in the


last few days but it's not going to be as extensive today. You can see


where we have the cloud. Some of the cloud is high and some is low in


Northern Ireland, but it will all tend to lift, thin and break and we


are in for a pleasant afternoon. It will take a while to lift from the


central lowlands and you can see how it's on the coastline of eastern


Scotland and north-east England. Possibly as far south as


Lincolnshire. If you are in Northern Ireland, happy St Patrick's Day, we


are looking at a lovely afternoon, a lot of sunshine. Temperatures up to


about nine in Belfast. Across Scotland, a lot of sunshine. When we


lose the stubborn cloud, you might find it will take time before it


completely lifts. We are back into the sunshine in


Cumbria and Lancashire. Where we have got all the cloud,


that too will thin and break. We'll have some sunshine. Not such a keen


breeze across the south so it won't feel as cold here. Love any in the


south-west of England. You are in for a treat. There'll be a lot of it


today. Today is likely to be the sunniest day of the week with the


most widespread sunshine. Got that too across the Cheltenham area. It


will be cloudy and there is the risk of drizzle tomorrow and it will feel


cold. The cloud in the east tonight drifts


inland. Patchy low cloud amongst that with some fog and drizzle. Out


towards the west, under clearer skies, it's going to be cold and


some prone areas will see some frost. Tomorrow morning, we still


will have high pressure firmly dominating our weather. If anything,


it drifts north-west, so the distribution of the cloud moving


around it will be slightly different. From tomorrow, across


much of England, there'll be a lot of cloud. Some of that will be low.


You can see some drizzle from it. For the south-west, Wales and


north-west England, along with Scotland and Northern Ireland, we'll


see some sunshine. The temperatures are coming down a touch. Into the


weekend with high pressure clinging on by the skin of its teeth, still


mostly dry, often cloud which with a bit of sunshine, chilly by day and


night. Hello it's Thursday, it's ten


o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme


if you've just joined us. Magical memories of TV magic


virtuoso Paul Daniels, who's died at the age of 77 -


we bring you tributes to his talent If the ball it is in my hand, it is


under the cup. Get in touch with your memories of


Paul. Also this morning: a promise


to balance the books by 2020 - His budget will be closely looked


at by MPs and experts today - and we look at what it


means for you. Charities say they could be denies


millions because of personal messages on the largest fundraising


website. Messages like from mum and dad, that suggests donations come


from more than one person. It might mean the Gift Aid gets taken off.


New laws and tougher sentences for owners of dangerous doings if it can


be proved the dog is trained to be dangerous.


We speak to one woman who was attacked and badly hurt


She tells us new sentences won't make any difference.


Tributes are paid to the magician and comedian, Paul Daniels,


He became one of the biggest TV stars of the eighties,


thanks to The Paul Daniels Magic Show, which he presented


alongside his wife and assistant Debbie McGee.


He announced last month that he had an incurable brain tumour.


The entertainer Keith Chegwin described Paul Daniels as a lovely,


The Chancellor George Osborne has told the BBC he remains confident


that UK public finances will be back in surplus by 2020.


He's defended the decisions made in yesterday's budget,


in which he announced higher public borrowing ahead -


citing the slowing UK economy and global economic jitters.


MPs will debate Mr Osborne's plans in parliament later.


I have set out the plans in the budget, and then a completely


independent body, which even respects called the Office for


Budget Responsibility has looked at the plans and it says if you hold to


the course, if you deliver those plans, if the economy grows as


expected, then we will have a surplus towards the end of the


then we will have a surplus towards the end of the Parliament.


David Cameron travels to Brussels today for more talks


He'll attend a summit of EU leaders, which is set to be dominated


by a proposed deal with Turkey, amid warnings that Greece


is becoming a refugee camp for the rest of Europe.


The number of migrants waiting at the Greece-Macedonia border


The Kurdish militant group TAK has claimed responsibility for Sunday's


terror attack in the Turkish capital, that killed 37 people.


In an online statement the group said the bombing in Ankara


was revenge for military operations carried out by Turkey in Kurdish


Owners of dangerous dogs will face harsher sentences if the animals


have been deliberately trained to be aggressive,


under new sentencing guidelines in England and Wales.


It comes after a number of changes to the law including a new offence


Scottish programme to get primary school children walking or running


a mile a day will be extended across the UK.


"The Daily Mile" which was first introduced at a school in Stirling


has been taken up by more than 500 others across Scotland,


in an attempt to improve fitness and concentration in class.


Cliff Michelmore, one of the most familiar figures on BBC radio


and television for more than four decades has died aged 96.


Best known as the host of current affairs programme Tonight,


he covered events including the Apollo moon landings


and presented the travel programme Holiday.


BBC director general Tony Hall said he was an "outstanding broadcaster".


Will Perry's back with the sport - and Arsene Wenger has been fulsome


in his praise of Barcelona, hasn't he?


If you are an Arsenal fan you might want to close your eyes. Barcelona's


players transform normal life into art according to Arsene Wenger, they


lost, going out of the Champions League at the last 16 stage for the


sixth year in a row. Messi, Neymar and Suarez were on target. Neymar


with the first after less than 20 minutes. Suarez scored his 17th goal


in 14 games. And Messi's little dink over ops many in the Arsenal goal


had Arsene Wenger in raptures. -- Ospina. The quality of


creativity, especially Messi is absolutely exceptional. You go


through 90 minutes and you come out of a game. He didn't miss one fist


touch. No matter where the ball comes from, you have as well, at


some stage, in our sport, admire art and we have two or three players who


transform normal life into art, and I respect that.


It is a huge night in the Europa League with Manchester United up


against Liverpool in the last 16 second leg. Louis van Gaal says


United must deliver with his side 2-0 down. He is contracted until the


end of next season but has come under pressure during a


disappointing campaign, if he does go in the summer who takes over?


Their former captain has spoken to the BBC in his first interview since


retirement in January. He says United would have a tough decision


at the end of the season. Mourinho has success in the past. He played a


football a certain way, it is well-known, and it is a Chard


choice, a hard choice, Mourinho is one of the greatest ever, and Sir


Alex Ferguson, these are the best managers.


Away from the football England prop Joe marler prop won't be pub


Northern Irished for called Samson Lee gypsy boy. He is free to play


France as England go for their first Grand Slam for 13 year, he avoided a


ban for strike -- avoided a ban for striking Rob Evans,


England's women are starting their first match at the world Twenty20


cricket. They hose to bat against Bangladesh. England's men, they


began their T20 campaign pain with a defeat against West Indies.


Chris gal smashed 11 sixes is on his way to an unbeaten 47 ball century.


England had set what they thought was a competitive target of 182.


Gail put paid to that. That is all the sport.


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Tributes have opinion pouring in for Paul Daniels. Lots of comments


coming in, lots of people calling him a top entertainer, a lovely kind


man and beloved star, so many of you are getting in touch who grew up


with Paul Daniels, watching his BBC magic show which ran for 15 year, he


was at his home hen he died in the early hours of this morning, we will


talk to some people who knew him in a moment, but first let us look at


what made him special. You have to take one of those bands


and put it round my first so the ring cannot get out. Happy with


that? Super. This is the trick. This is the one where people have been


known to give me a standing ovation. Right? I do not tell you that


because I particularly need one, I just don't want you to be


embarrassed when you are the only one left sitting down.


Now, this is your handkerchief. If I put that there, and push very hard


on this end, a very interesting phenomenon will happen, it will make


a hole in the handkerchief there, and a hole at the other end as it


goes out. I can see you are impressed. The other alternative...


No, no, the other alternative is it would come out this hand because the


pressure there is too great. Do you understand that? Yes, yes. You wrap


your wring up tight. Hold the end of the stick, you hold the other end,


now you are both in on the act. I pronounce you man and wife now. You


are not together? You are not? Sorry, I didn't realise that. If I


had realised that what I would have done was put the band round, the


handkerchief leek that, it is your ring, it is your ring, you


handkerchief. Watch. Now that is right on there, and that is magic.


Applause applause. Have a look at that. Nothing will be added, nothing


taken away, this is a piece of cardboard, the piece of cardboard I


am going to put over the top but as you can see, it does not affect the


coins, it is merely, a little cover, you cannot see the jiggery-pokery,


look at this. One pound and six pence. That is the total amount. If


I start to move the Cowen coins round and then having moved them


round like that, I take out the penny. Like this. The question is,


if I put that in my pocket how much is left underneath the piece of


cardboard, nothing will be added. Well, normally you would say a pound


and five pence if you are good at math, it is not the case, there is


still a pound and six pence, but I have moved them into a different


order. Perhaps you were not watching closely enough. Over here, is a


pound, over here is the penny, over here is the five pence piece. I will


cover them up again with the same piece of card as before, nothing


added, finger-tip, nothing in the hands, watch carefully. I go


underneath here, and what I am going to do now, is I am going to move the


coins round and take out this one. This is a five pence piece, very


tiny coin to see on TV. There it is. I am going to put that in my pocket.


How much have I got left? If you are any good at math it is a pound and a


penny, but that not the right answer, underneath here I still have


a pound and six pence. Which is where we came in. I am going to do


it again, then. All you have to do is cover them over like this, and


then what you do is you make sure that when you do it cover the coin,


you cover them up and move them round and when you move them round,


look, watch, I take out this time, the pound, and only the pound, if I


take the point out like that and put it in my pocket, as I did before,


how much have I got underneath here? A pound and six pence? No. Nothing


at all. In fact, I -- you 1.06. This is your chance the clean out the


bank, you have ten, I have 20, I will give you two to one. I am going


to take the Queen and bend the corner.


All right. Now, Can you see the corner of the Queen is bent. Would


you like to make sure it is still the Queen? Yes. It is. Isn't it. Now


these are the two black three, this is the Queen with the corner bent.


All you have to do is keep your eye on the Queen, there, it has its


corner bent. These two it doesn't matter, these are the three, where


is the Queen for ?10? There. Certainly if you like. ?10. That is


it, it is a black three, and... APPLAUSE.


It is a shame. Don't feel worried about it. This phrase we have got


round the booth heads you lose and tails I win, you don't stand a


chance. A chap came up to me he had a three card trick, he said look,


three cards and he asked me if I could do it. I said of course. I'm a


genius at it. He said if you are such a genius guess where the black


card is, I said on the bottom. He said that is a red. I said it must


be on the top. He said no, red, I said middle he said a red. I said


are you asking me to bet on a black card you have three red cards. He


said no need the lose your hair, get on the press. I said it must be the


one on the top. He said no, black, I said the middle, he said it is the


black card. I said what is that for? He said that's for laughs.


Don't think you are going to lose, we have this week's star prize just


for you, here you have, you have won a coconut.


Thank you. Enjoy the rest of the show.


Great old fashioned magic delivered with panache, he wasn't just about


the magic he was about the fun, the humour and many sly digs right back


at himself We can talk to Graham rude who


worked with you. You spoke to Debbie this morning, didn't you. Yes


indeed, it was terribly sad news even though we knew it was going to


happen, my heart goes out to Debbie and to Paul's family. He was a great


guy, a great friend, we were friends for 57 years, and I have so many


happy memories. As do lots of people. We were watching back some


of his show, that you worked on, didn't you. Tell us what your role


was alongside Paul? My title was magical consultant on the show. I


was on it for 12 years and it was terrific, we were a real team, we


worked hard, we had a yob to do at the end of the day, to produce the


TV show, which was often seen by 17, 20 million people. And, but it was a


team, and Paul who was the main man, was great to work with, he was a lot


of fun, but the end of the day he had a job to do, as I said, but he


looked after you, he was a very kind person, as well, if he knew you had


a problem, or, worry of some kind he would be the first to be there to


help you. He, he really was a genuine person. And Debbie, his


wife, an absolute treasure, as a married couple you count wish for a


more devoted couple. We are seeing a picture of you with


both of them. You said he had a job to do, but he made it look


effortless. Did he see it as a jo? Even at the height of his fame, we'd


go to a magical convention or whatever, or into a magic shop and


he'd be worried about the latest stuff and would be playing around


with it, as we all do when we are just beginning. He just loved it. He


was an entertainer without any shadow of a doubt. I think that a


large part of that started in the working men's clubs which, believe


you me, were vrksth very, very tough indeed. Very often, the audience


would sit with their backs to the stage when you were introduced. You


had to jolly well be good to make them turn around and enjoy you and


Paul was a master, he was a people person. Also, full credit to his mum


and dad who were very supportive and encouraged him and, in the latter


years, as I've already mentioned, David Cameron by, his most devoted


wife and partner on the stage as well as off, that you could wish


for. You mentioned his mum and dad. What


did he say to you about the little boy who was shaped into the man in


the end who became a magician, what was it that mad him want to go into


the magic? His dad used to make some of his early props. His mum used to


sew curtains and all that kind of stuff. They've got to have full


credit. I remember once being at Paul's house. There were discussions


about a project. Paul's mum looked out of the window and said, there's


somebody sitting in the car who, is it, and one of the executives said,


it's a chauffeur, don't worry about it and Paul's mum said, well he's


not sitting out there, he can come in here for a cup of tea with us and


he came. And that kindness, that sort of thinking about people, it


went right the way through. I remember being at a magic auction


and we were bidding for various bits and pieces and there was a young kid


wanting a wand. He was bidding for it. There was an older man bidding


for it as well, he obviously had more money for the kid, then Paul


started bidding, and it went up to quite a price. Paul got it and


handed it over to the young boy and said "enjoy it, pal". And that was


so typical of him. Lots of things that people didn't see, perhaps,


which he would do and more perhaps in the limelight, he was the King


rat of the water rats on two occasions which I think is unheard


of. He did his bit for charity as well. First class guy in every


single way and I shall miss him. The weeshed thing is, he meant so much


to me, and I've known him for so long, that there will be a time when


I feel as though he's still there. I'm not a religious person, but his


presence will always be with me. It's a very, very sad day, but so


many happy memories. His quality of life was staggering from the north


working men's clubs to being an international superstar. It's a


journey not many can take. How did he face up to his illness at the end


and the fact that he knew he didn't have very long left? Well, I wasn't


with him at the end. Paul and Debbie phoned when he'd finished a


pantomime, perhaps he wasn't 100%, but I don't think Paul ever fully


appreciated just how badly his illness was. Luckily, and we have


all got to be grateful for this, Paul passed away in his sleep. He


would know nothing about it. I'm just so grateful for that. If you've


got to go, the way to go is in your sleep, Joanna. . You know, Paul, he


wouldn't want us to be depressed and sad now. He'd be wanting us to


remember his life. That's what we'll try to do. It's a tough ask at the


moment, I'm afraid, but I'll miss him a lot. Thank you, thank you


Graham. We can talk to Syd Little who was


one half of the comedy duo Little Large who worked with Paul


throughout the '80s. Thank you for joining us, a very sad day. What are


your memories? A very sad day. Quite shocked really. I didn't realise


Paul was that ill, I knew he was ill but not that ill and it was a shock


this morning. We go back, as the gentleman before was talking about,


to the working men's clubs in the '60s with Paul up in the north-east


in England where he's from originally. It was hard. He was


great. You saw his potential then even in those days and thought,


well, you know, he's great, and he loved the sleight of hand and the


card tricks, that was his forte. He was always striving for new things


all the time. When the television show came on, it showed he was


always doing different things, looking for different tricks. He


never stopped, he was a work aholic. You were part of that generation


where if you made it on to TV, you were big? He loved it all so much, I


think that was it, that was his life really. I don't think he thought too


much of the fame side of it. He enjoyed what he was doing, it was


magic. Syd Little, thank you very much. Lots of you commenting on


social media. Do tell us how you remember Paul Daniels.


Charities say they've been denied millions of pounds


all because of personal messages written by donors on the UK's


Messages like from Mum and Dad, which suggested donations may have


been from more than one person, had the gift aid part


Just Giving, who's been removing the gift aid, said they'd done it


in response to a crackdown from the taxman -


HMRC denies they told JustGiving to do it.


Giftaid works by allowing charities to claim back the 20 per cent


basic-rate tax you've already paid on the money you donate.


We can speak now to Victoria Pudney, who lost out on some money


when she was fundraising for Brain Tumour Research


after her son Charlie got tumour Kirstie Meredith,


who had the gift aid donation taken off a donation made to her son,


Ashley Bailey, from Brain Tumour Research and Andrew O'Brien,


Kirsty, tell us what happened to you first? My husband donate toed my


son's page. By 24th February, it had been removed. I noticed it and said


to my husband, did you not tick the Gift Aid box and he said, of course


I did. He said he had a print out that proved that he did tick the


box. So basically my husband e-mailed just giving thinking it


could be a mistake because at that point my husband was only the second


point to make a donation on the page. They never responded to the


e-mail and, because I then noticed that other Gift Aid had been removed


from the page, I then rang Just Giving who said they were instructed


by HMRC to remove the Gift Aid if more than one person Hadow


negotiated. My husband, being an accountant, we trolled HMRC's site


for a directive about this and there wasn't one. So I then rang HMRC who


then eventually, when I got to speak to the correct person, said that


it's a misunderstanding and they are trying to crack down on people that


are doing raffles, coffee mornings and donating through one person and


claiming Gift Aid which you are not allowed to do and I understand that,


because the money has been raised by several people. But Just Giving were


not very forthcoming, they have changed their donation page which


now, when you are ticking to get Gift Aid, it now says "I am not a


close relative, I am not related" at the point of donating, which is just


ridiculous because most people that run a half marathon do rely upon


their family to make donations. I think more upsetting for me, the


charities have lost out on the 25% Gift Aid. Victoria, you have been


fund-raising for brain due more research after your son was


diagnosed with a brain tumour. How has this affected you? I had no idea


this had taken place which is the worrying thing really. I was told by


the charity that some of my donations had been affected. We were


none the wiser. It was all very confusing, so it's just kind of not


knowing and also you give money on the pretext that that is what is


going to happen, then when it doesn't and you are not told, it


seems a bit unethical. Do you know how much the amount has added up to?


Not exactly, no. It's not insignificant. Ashley, it's small


amounts of money potentially on individual cases, but adding up to a


lot. Tell us the impact it's having? Absolutely. The impact for us in


November which is the one month that can calculate when it was deductd


was 3% of our income so over a year that would be ?120 100,000 that


would affect our work. We invest ?2,740 a day on research, so that's


over a month's research we wouldn't be able to perform as a result of


that. Did you have advance notice that that was going to happen and


how did you find out about it? We found out when the reduction was


going to be made. We had notification of the amount and then


it was slow coming through, when it finally did come through it TSB


reduced by ?4,000 which was the November amount -- it had been


reduced. I've spoken to Just Giving to speak about what they were doing


to the month subsequent to November and I understand they had their own


processes for reducing the Gift Aid on certain claims and that would


have affected the other lady you are speaking to today. Andrew, what has


caused this issue to arise? I think it's partly people not having a


clear understanding of Gift Aid. It's a complex process and people


think they are leaving a harmless message but HMRC are picking that up


as multiple donations which isn't the case. That is part of the


problem. Is it that difficult to pick through? Is it not clear one


someone's ticked various boxes or whatever whether it's a donation


from an individual albeit signed by other people effectively or it's an


amount of money raised by a group of people? It can be a bit unclear


because the nature of the message is, if it says love from mum and dad


for example, if it's come from one person's bank account, HMRC is


trying to second guess whether one person or two people have made that


donation. What will happen going forward because Just Giving has said


charities like Ashley's will be reimbursed. Is there going to be


clarity going forward? We hope so, we are calling on HMRC to make the


rules clearer. Gift Aid is 16 years old, it needs to be updated. For


non-traditional families as well, we are going to work with them to make


the rules clearer and with online providers. What about curse Kirsty


was saying about the tick boxes asking questions that ask, are you


related to this person, how is that relevant? They are trying to find


out whether there is a connection between individuals giving money so


they are trying to spot if people are using raffles, bake sales et


cetera and raise ago lot of money. They are trying to investigate


whether investments are right or wrong and that requires education.


Is it Just Just Giving that are falling foul of this? No. Kirsty,


how do you feel about it now? Well, I'm glad attention has been brought


to it, but I, with my discussions with Gist Giving, they have manually


removed the Gift Aid proportion and I feel if they can manually remove


it, they can manually go back and re-put the Gift Aid back for the


individuals that have lost out and the charities that have lost out.


What about that, Andrew? Why isn't it easy just to fix it, if it was as


easy to take it away? The relationship is such they can't


easily identify which have been accepted is or rejected. What we


need to see is a much greater information sharing. Was there an


issue with Gift Aid being wrongly declared, knowingly by people, do


you think? I don't think, I think most people claim Gift Aid end in a


legitimate way, there is no reason to suggest there is an issue of


people trying to claim it. First of all, the Gift Aid not being fit for


the modern age where people are using digital platforms, but there's


there is an issue round whether Gift Aid itself is, you know, been


designed in a way that helps people to maximise their donations and that


they understand that. That requires them to educate about Gift Aid and


what a good donation is an what is eligible and ineligible. Thank you.


HMR said: They also told us they work very


closely with charities to ensure the gift aid rules are applied


correctly and they receive the full Magical memories of TV magic


virtuoso Paul Daniels, And the sightings of bright flashes


of blue or green across the sky all over the UK in the early


hours of this morning. Tributes have been paid


to the magician and comedian, Paul Daniels, who's


died at the age of 77. He became one of the biggest stars


on TV during the eighties, thanks to the BBC's


The Paul Daniels Magic Show, which he presented alongside


his wife Debbie McGee. She was at his side


when he died this morning. The Chancellor George Osborne has


told the BBC he remains confident that UK public finances will be


back in surplus by 2020. He's defended the decisions made


in yesterday's budget, in which he announced higher


public borrowing ahead - citing the slowing UK economy


and global economic jitters. MPs will debate Mr Osborne's plans


in parliament later. I have set out the plans


in the budget, and then a completely independent body, which even


respects called the Office for Budget Responsibility has looked


at the plans and it says if you hold to the course, if you deliver those


plans, if the economy grows as expected, then we will have


a surplus towards the end David Cameron travels to Brussels


today for more talks He'll attend a summit of EU leaders,


which is set to be dominated by a proposed deal with Turkey,


amid warnings that Greece is becoming a refugee camp


for the rest of Europe. The number of migrants waiting


at the Greece-Macedonia border The Kurdish militant group TAK has


claimed responsibility for Sunday's terror attack in the Turkish


capital, that killed 37 people. In an online statement the group


said the bombing in Ankara was revenge for military operations


carried out by Turkey in Kurdish The number of women


and under-18-year-olds arrested for alleged terror-related


offences has been rising - but overall numbers show


a slight dip in the UK. 280 arrests were made during 2015,


9 fewer than the previous year. The number of under 18s arrested -


16 - is now at its highest Owners of dangerous dogs will face


harsher sentences if the animals have been deliberately


trained to be aggressive, under new sentencing guidelines


in England and Wales. It comes after a number of changes


to the law including a new offence Now for the sport. Arsene Wenger is


full of praise for Barcelona strikers saying they transform


normal life into art, after Arsenal were knocked out of the Champions


League last night. Suarez gave Barca the lead with this volley. His 17th


in 14 games. That was before who else, Messi produced this finish to


make it 3-1 on the night, 5-1 on aggregate. The sixth year in a row


Arsenal have lost in the last 16. It is a huge night at Old Trafford


tonight, how important for that man, Louis van Gaal, his side take on


Liverpool for a place in the quarterfinals of the Europa League.


United 2-0 down from that first leg. Hartlepool -- Louis van Gaal says


they must deliver. Danny Care and Vunipola will start for England as


they go for their Grand Slam title since 2003 against France. So two


changes in Paris with Ben Youngs and Joe mar he dropping to the Ben: The


coach said we have our best 23. Can England's women fare better than the


men in their opening T20 match. They chose to bat first. The captain has


that boundary, she is still at the crease, England 60-1 in the ninth


over. We will have more on the news channel throughout the day.


More on the budget. George Osborne is insisting the UK will be back in


the black by 2020 as promised. Providing the the economy keeps on


are going, let us go to Norman Smith. So everyone has had a bit of


time to unpick what he unveiled yesterday, tell us your thoughts.


Here is the Red Book, it is only today we get a chance to go through


it all, and, all sorts of creepy-crawlies come out. The


biggest centres on the Chancellor's big idea which is he wants by the


end of this Parliament to balance the book, more to make sure we have


some cash to spare, that we have had a surplus, what he is aiming for is


a ?10 billion surplus, in other words, we will have 10 billion quid


in the bank. Now, a lot of people are pretty iffy about whether that


is possible, because when you look at the numbers, it shows that in the


last year of the Parliament, there is some heroic assumptions there, in


the last year the Parliament, we will actually have a ?20 billion


deficit, in other words, we will be ?20 billion in the red and in the


space of a year, the Chancellor wants to turn that into a ?10


billion surplus, now, the institute, the Office for Budget


Responsibility, the people who kind of cast their eye over the


Chancellor's numbers to make sure they add up, they have said frankly


there is only a 55% chance, half-and-half chance of Mr Osborne


being able to meet that central objective, more than that, the big


think-tank in this area, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said we


don't think we can probably do this without more tax rises and spending


cuts. Mr Osborne was insisting that wouldn't be necessary this morning.


I have set out the plan, in the budget, and then a completely


independent body, which everyone respects called the Office for


Budget Responsibility, has looked at the plans and it says if you hold to


course, if you deliver the plan, if the economy grows as expected, then


we will have a surplus towards the end of the Parliament, so we


wouldn't need anything extra like more spending tax cuts or increase,


we don't need those things now because we have the plans and the


plans are assessed to deliver the security.


The The other creepy-crawly to come out of this Red Book Joanna is Mr


Importance's argument that the reason the economy is struggling, is


basically because of everyone else, the global slow down, he told us


yesterday, let me give you his words, he said the outlock for the


global economy is weak and makes it a dangerous cocktail of risks, for


the UK. In other words, it is the slow down in China, it is


instability in the Middle East, it is plummeting oil price, it is all


those sort of things that are causing us problems, but when you go


through the Red Book, what appears to be the real issue is


productivity, what we actually produce, as individuals, and the


Office for Budget Responsibility say talk of the amount we produce


getting better is a false dawn, in other words, it is not happening, we


are not improving the amount of stuff we produce. Now, here is a


surprise thing you might think OK, well, I kind of think we don't


produce as much as the Germans and probably not as much as American


workers but do you know we don't produce as much as the presence or


the Italian, you think of the Italians and you think of siestas


and a nice sunny life style but they work harder and produce more than us


and that seems to be one of the main reasons we are in such economic


difficulties. Norman, also a row brewing over cuts to benefits that


have been announced. A real storm seems to be building up here,


because you know, the biggest amount of cuts pencilled in by the


Chancellor yesterday were actually on disability benefit, he is


planning to trim round ?4 billion from the personal independence


payments, which are given to people with disabilities to help them get


back in to work, to help them with transport costs and the extra


support they need to get back in to work. He wants to hack back round 4


billion from that and there is a lot of unease in the Conservative Party


too, it thatn't sort of broken out publicly but a lot of Tory MPs are


saying hang on, how is this going to work? What are the details of this


and why are we cuts benefits for the disabled when we are offering tax


cuts to better off families, never mind Labour who are trying to find a


way of forcing a vote on the issue. This was their Shadow Chancellor


this morning. We are urging them now to think very carefully about then


decisions that George Osborne made yesterday, because we have always


said austerity is not an economic necessity, it is a political choice,


he made his choices yesterday. He decided he would cut the taxes of


capital gains tax to the ripest five % in society. He would pay for that


by cutting benefits to people with disability, that is unacceptable.


You know what this reminds me a bit of, it is early days but it has the


potential to be another I tax credit row, you remember before the Autumn


Statement, Mr Osborne wanted to pare back on tax credits and he was


forced to back off. You get the sense this could develop into a


similar problem for Mr Osborne. The only thing that makes it harder for


him to back off is because saving this 4 billion is absolutely central


if he is to get anywhere near his key objective of balancing the books


and achieving that surplus. Thank you Norman.


A major care company facing a bill for hundreds of thousands of pounds


for nonpayment of the minimum wage, in an out of court settlement it has


paid ?1250 to a care worker who hadn't been paid for time spent


travelling between client, it could face a group action lawsuit by other


workers. Zoe Conway from Radio 4's


Today Programme has been The career worked for the company in


Devon, a rural part of the country, so she was travelling between her


elderly clients, visiting them, to wash them, to feed them, and to give


them their medication, and because it was such a rural community she


was working in she would travel great distances to visit them, often


down narrow country roads, she took me on a tour of her work once and I


could see that you know, there might be times when she was stuck behind a


tractor and it could take more than half an hour to get to a client, but


she wasn't being paid for any of that travel time. Not only that, as


a result of not being paid for that travel time, she claimed that the


company was in breach of the minimum wage regulation, so that is why she


brought this case, that is why she was awarded this money and it was


settled out of court by the company a few days ago. What are the


implications of this? The interesting question is whether


other carers come forward. The solicitors who represented her are


appealing for carers to come forward and bring their own case, they think


there could be hundreds that could benefit from a lawsuit. If you think


about it, given the fact she got more than 1,000 pounds and she


worked for the company for less than six months, row could see this could


be costly, if enough of the carers come forward, that is what they are


appealing for them to do. What is being said about, this, done about


this? Is the Government, is there anything from the Government on it?


I should say that the company have issued a statement to us, and have


said they are disappointed that Caroline Barlow has chosen to take


this action, the point they make is that since last year they have


corrected carers ear pay where they thought it was necessary. They paid


100 up to 2,000. The big of Government that is responsible for


making sure that the minimum wage is paid is HM revenue ands can top,


they have launched an inquiry into the big six care company, more than


a year ago, I have asked them, where is this investigation at, what are


we? Unfortunately, they can't tell us. Thank you very much.


The Sentencing Council has today published new guidelines


on punishments for dangerous dogs offences.


Current guidelines allow judges to sentence people to a maximum


of fourteen years in prison for the most serious offences.


New recommendations will respond to changes in the law which now


extend to attacks on private property and on guide dogs.


She spent months in hospital and despite that, still owns three dogs.


We are joined by a Chair of the Magistrates Association as well.


Tell us what happened to you, Amanda? I was exercising a dog that


came in as a stray. It lasted eight weeks, he was fine and, out of the


blue he attacked me. An hour-and-a-half it was, he kept


coming back and taking chunks off me; I lost my left arm, nearly lost


my right arm, he ripped a hole in my back, took muscle from my leg. Not a


very nice experience in all. Did you fear he was going to kill you? Yes.


I knew that if he could have got my throat, that would have been the end


of me. So you did everything you could to protect your throat which


saved your life potentially? Yes, yes, I stayed on my front and just


tried to keep the dog calm because, if you panic in that sort of


situation, because I worked with dogs I knew if I panicked any more


than I was, he would have got into more of a frenzy and ripped me even


harder. Oh, you said it was a dog that had


been brought into the kennels, what did you know about what had happened


to that dog prior to coming to you? To be honest with you, not a lot.


But after the accident happened, we later discovered the dog had been


chipped and had belonged to a lady who was banned from owning and


breeding dangerous dogs and the police had taken her to court, she'd


gone through all the trial, they'd decided she couldn't keep dogs any


longer, but instead of taking the dogs from her, they left it to her


to get rid of the dogs, and from what we can gather, she just


released them into the streets and that's how they came to me. Do you


think any dog or any certain breeds can turn like this, or does it come


down to the way they have been handled and treated? 99% of the


time, there's not a bad dog, it's a bad owner.


So what do you think about the idea that sentences will be increased for


owners of dangerous dogs who have trained that dog to be aggressive?


If they can prosecute the owner before the dog's attacked somebody,


I think it's a good law. But if the dog has already killed somebody or


badly maimed them, it's like shutting the door after the horse


has bolted, it's too late. I know you have said previously you


have likened dog ownership to gun ownership, what do you mean by that?


Sorry? You have previously likened dog ownership to gun ownership, what


do you mean by that? Yes, yes. Well, they police guns strongly, but when


it comes to dogs, police are aware of where the dogs are and who the


owners are, but there's nothing being done about it, nothing. Until


it's too late and the dogs attack somebody. Malcolm, you are chair of


the Magistrates Association, the new guidelines, how will they be


applied, what difference will they make? Parliament updated the law in


2014 and the new guidelines from the Sentencing Council are coming into


effect as of the 1st July but are being published today. They have the


effect of giving us guidance as to how we should sentence under the new


penalties which are significantly more severe. As you said in the


introduction, they extend the law in various areas like private houses


and so on. Give us some examples of sentencing then and what difference


it could make? Well, the two major areas are firstly the new areas


which have been brought into the offences which are where attacks


occur on private property, it clarifies the position on that and


specifically makes an offence of where an attack takes place on a


guide dog which everybody can appreciate has significant


consequences, almost unimaginable consequences for the person who is


absolutely dependent upon that guide dog. Many of the most severe cases


will of course go to the crown court and be dealt with by judge and jury,


so magistrates will typically be dealing with the less serious. But


quite often more numerous numbers of offences that we see before us.


Do these changes that magistrates have wanted to see -- have these


changes that magistrates have wanted to see? It's not more members of the


judiciary to call for changes in the law, but certainly, I have no


evidence to suggest there is any resistance to them and I think some


people have felt frustrated probably in the past. But, as your previous


person said, of course, we get into the process as members of the


judiciary at the point where an attack has occurred and so there is


a certain amount of closing the stable door. But we do have to, as a


society, recognise that certain actions deserve punishment.


How much flexibility has there been in terms of the punishment? Well,


there is always a flexibility and the judiciary welcomes that because


each individual circumstance is different. That's why they're


guidelines and not tram lines as colleagues often say. But they give


you a starting point, they give you a way to approach in a structured


way making your decision in order that magistrates can inform victims,


defendants, society, as a hole, as to whey we think that's the


appropriate sentence. Mandy, as you both pointed out, the sentencing


guidelines at the point after which a dog has carried out an attack,


what do you think would make a difference in trying to prevent


attacks? This is what I think we need to do - it's about prevention,


it's better than cure. There are people out there that have known


aggressive dogs and, in my mind, they should be seized, they should


be tested and, if they are as aggressive as we think and know they


are, they should be destroyed. But that owner will probably go out and


get the same type of dog again. They need to bring something in to


prevent this, rather than cure it. Malcolm, how common are cases like


this in magistrates courts? Evidence is they are getting more common.


Does that mean there are more dangerous dogs or does it mean the


prosecuting authorities are being more acidious in bringing such


matters to court rather than either not dealing with them at all or


dealing with them in an alternative way. Parliament's said that we


should be considering these as a society more seriously than we have


in the past so the judiciary has a role to play when matters are


brought to the court. We will obviously follow and enforce the


guidelines that are shortly to be in place which recognise that these


matters are more serious than previously society deemed them to


be. Thank you both very much, Malcolm


and Mandy. Now, Paul Daniels was 77 and had


been diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumour last month. Lots of


reaction on social media. Scott Penrose tweets, a sad day for the


magic world, rest in peace, our friend Paul Daniels.


That is just about all from all of us today. We'll leave you with a


reminder of how Paul Daniels entertained millions of people. See


you tomorrow. You will have been stand thering


with a pack of cards that you have actually been holding from the start


of the trick. It's been rapped around several times with red, white


and blue ribbon which we have been saving up since somebody's Jubilee


and you will find that if you unwrap this now, you will see in this half


of the pack which is just a pack of cards, that is all, you will see in


this half of the pack there's a jack of spades, eight of diamonds, seven


of diamonds, ace of spades, the eight of hearts, the two of hearts,


ten of clubs, nine of clubs, nine of hearts, two of spades, King of


spades, Queen of diamonds, King of hearts, jack of haars, ace of club,


six of hearts, five of clubs, four of diamonds, three of spades and


your card last but by no means least the seven of clubs and I know that


not only you saw your cards but I know that the people who thought of


a card at home will have seen their card and that's magicment. -- magic.


Tonight we are going to ring the changes and do something different


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I'll tell you what we are going to do, we are going to move the young


lady back up into space where she came from. Take her away higher and


higher and then she ascends above the circus ring, watch very closely.


Three, two, one! Go!


Friends of Paul Daniels pay tribute to the magician, hours after he passed away.

Joanna Gosling looks at how the Chancellor's Budget will affect people in different parts of the economy.

A woman who lost an arm after being attacked by a dog tells her story.