18/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I am Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

As EU leaders look to reach an agreement with Turkey to ease

migration crisis - we ask if it's time to adopt

an Australian style approach to those wanting to live in Europe.

The winners and losers behind scrapping the controversial 'Tampon

It has been welcomed by campaigners, but it will lead to charities

Ellie Clare was 19 when she died in a car crash alongside her 21

The woman who was behind the wheel requested to be released from prison

after just 15 weeks - leading to a campaign

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Today we are talking about the so-called tampon tax.

The Government has reached a deal to scrap it, but the money

was going to women's charities, will they lose out now?

Let us know what you think about the plans.

As Sport Relief gets underway tonight, we are looking at some

of the good causes that benefit and talking to a woman whose life

was turned upside down with post-natal depression and now

supports one of the Sport Relief projects.

Since January last year, a million migrants and refugees have

come to the EU by boat from Turkey to Greece.

Prime Minister David Cameron is in Brussels with leaders

from other EU countries this morning.

They're holding a second day of talks to try to stop this flow

of people by striking a deal with Turkey.

Let's take a look at the details of that deal and what countries have

In the past Australia has suggested Europe look to them for ways

of dealing with the migrant and refugee situation,

with the country hailing its controversial regime of turning

back asylum-seeker boats as a success after yesterday

reaching 600 days with no vessels arriving, and almost 700

people being turned away since the policy was launched.

This is an example of a poster put out by the Government trying

to deter people from landing on their shores.

It is the policy and practice of the Australian Government to intercept

any vessel seeking to illegally enter Australia and safely remove it

beyond our waters. If you travel by boat without a visa, you will not

make Australia home. The rules apply to everyone - families, children

uncompanied children, educated and skilled. There are no exceptions. Do

not believe the lies of people smugglers, these criminals will

steal your money and place your life and the life of your family at risk

for nothing. The message is simple - if you come to Australia illegally

by boat, there is no way you will ever make Australia home.

Our Correspondent Jon Donnison is in Sydney.

Explain how it works. Australia's Conservative Government came to

power two and a half years ago and first they launched what it calls

operation sovereign borders, that involves the navy turning boats

back, people smuggling boats back carrying asylum seeker. Many set off

from Indonesia, but carry people from all over the world,

Afghanistan, ir-Iraq, Syria, trying to get to Australia. They started

turning boats back. The second thing they did was they said anyone who

was given refugee status would not be resettled in Australia. Instead

they would be moved to third countries and in effect they

outsourced the asylum seeker problem, because they paid hundreds

of millions of dollars to count sis such as pap ya New Guinea and the

Pacific Island of Nauru, where anyone trying to get to Australia,

even if they had refugee status, they could go to those countries. We

gave some figures at the start. It seems to be doing the trick. It has

worked undoubtedly. The policies have been panned by human rights

groups and the United Nations, but they have worked. We had the

Immigration Minister yesterday saying it is 600 days since a people

smuggling boat reached Australia and they have turned back 25 boats. The

one thing I would say, some say Europe should learn from what we

have done, but although there are similarities there are some big

difference. The numbers are on entirely different scale. Even at

the height of people trying to reach Australia's shores we were talking

about maybe 20,000 in 2012. I think you had the figure more than a

million in the past year crossing from Turkey to Greece. The other

thing, Australia's a very long way away from most place and it has no

land borders. The immigration force find I easier to enforce the

borders. Tell us more about the reaction and have there been

questions about Australia's legal obligations? There have been

questions about whether it is actually legal to turn boats back.

Australia insists is it will not do that if it is putting people into

harm's way. Australia has said we are raising the quota of the number

of people we will accept from places such as Syria if they come through

legitimate channels. It is questionable whether that has

happened. I saw Australia pledged to take 12,000 additional refugees from

Syria last year. So far only 29 have been resettled in Australia. It has

to be said, while there has been international criticism, the usual

suspects, human rights watch, Amnesty International, the UN.

Broadly at home the policies are popular. The opposition Labour Party

is not saying do anything significantly different. While they

may be criticised abroad, at home they have been popular. Let's bring

in professor Alex Betts. What do you think about what is going on in

Australia with the way the migration situation has been dealt versus what

is happening in Europe? There are strong and worrying parallels

between the proposed contents of the EU/Turkey deal and what Australia

has been doing. Both have in common the attempt to transfer large

amounts to a third country to accept refugees and process their claims.

That logic of outsourcing, which is inherent to the Australian policy is

what is being pushed here. The problem is of course that the

Australian policy has been dreadful for human rights and involved

detaining children, vulnerable people for long periods of time. It

has created a separation between worthy refugees, those that wait for

resettlement and unworthy refugees who try and seek asylum in

Australia. One big difference between the EU and the Australian

model is that it is effectively one migrant in, one out with Turkey. The

one in one out policy means that for every person sent back from Greece

to Turkey, the EU commit to one resettlement

But it is questionable whether that is work yoobl. The EU has not

committed the number of resettlement places to take in

those Syrians. There are a lot of unanswered questions about how the

one in one out deal will work and also an appalling way to look at

asylum. The idea you can forcibly use coercion against a refugee

population, send them back to Turkey and only accept those who wait

calmly in Turkey for us to come and get them. There are a lot of

unanswered questions about whether the EU a Turkey would have to use

force. The actions take non-Australia, ivening against --

including against children have led to suicides and psychological

problems and in Australia, yes, the numbers of people arriving by boat

has gone down, the going if I in Europe is -- Geography in Europe is

different. It is an order of magnitude that is different. What is

your view on the EU deal and whether it is workable and legal. There are

a lot of problems. Legally, the European Union has proclaimed Turk

ey is a third safe country. But it doesn't

mean the EU's criteria for a safe country. It is not a country we can

send people to. there are unanswered questions about

whether Cyprus would involve part of the deal that would involve Turkish

succession to Europe. We are getting into the president with the

Turkish president, who has an appalling human rights record. Most

agree it illegal, politically challenging a and there are so many

unanswered questions will people be deported and detained

and what it mean foyer human rights. Temperature U has an internal and

external aspect to this. What we should be doing is ensuring

opportunities for Syrian refugees, building job opportunities and

education opportunities in countries like Turkey, Jordan and election.

Alongside creating those opportunities we have to create a

viable, common European asylum system that guarantees that refugees

that come to Europe can can get access to asylum. The E. Seems to

have given up on a new deal for sharing responsibility among 28

states. And its plan A has been to work with Turkey and it has had no

plan B. Yes, work with Turkey, create job and education

opportunities, ways refugees can flourish and don't

need to come to Europe. But there obligation to ensure that genuine

refugees get access to asylum. We need an internal and an external

dimension to the policy and we can't give up on getting our own house in

order for people's rights. Still to come: A long-running

campaign to scrap VAT on women's sanitary products is a step closer

to success; we'll have the details. And man whose daughter was killed

in a car crash tells us about his fight to make sure

the person responsible, a friend of hers who

was driving recklessly, First, it's the main

news this morning. EU leaders agree a controversial

plan to put to Turkey on tackling But it seems to have been watered

down on concessions of visa-free Key talks with Turkey are continuing

in Brussels this morning. There are mixed messages

from the government over its plans Last night Education Secretary Nicky

Morgan said the proposals were still 'under consultation',

that's led some to think they could be changed, to avert

a possible Tory backbench revolt. But now the BBC's been told that

that she 'doesn't seem to understand' the plan

and that the government is not in what's being called

'concession territory'. An 18-year-old man has been

shot dead in Birmingham. The teenager was found lying

in a street in the Ladywood area at around 7 last night

and was pronounced dead A man has died after an accident on

a tall building in LA. The Ordnance Survey has re-measured

the Scottish peak and its official height is now 1,345 metres -

that's a metre taller than before. Coming up at 10 we'll be live

at the Cheltenham Festival where Victoria Pendleton,

Britain's double Olympic cycling champion swaps saddles

on the biggest stage. Pendleton rides Pacha Du Polder

in the Foxhunter Chase. It's been hyped up so much this race

that we're talking about it more today than the famous

Gold Cup at 3.30. Amazing to think that this time last

year, she hadn't even sat The bookmakers are predicting record

business in Gloucestershire. It's thought over ?65 million

will be bet on Pendleton's race Elsewhere today the criticism

for Louis Van Gaal continues as his Manchester United

side were knocked out of the Europa League last night

by between arch rivals Liverpool. The quarter final draw

takes place at midday. the new Formula One

season is under way. World Champion Lewis Hamilton set

the quickest time in both practice sessions in Melbourne ahead

of Sunday's first race. His Mercedes team mate and rival

Nico Rosberg crashed It looks like the long running

campaign to get rid of the Tam upon tax could be on the home stretch.

Officials say David Cameron's got the backing of other leaders to

allow the UK to scrap it. In London the Government faces a possible

result from Euro-sceptics threatening to join Labour in voting

to remove the 5% charge which, at the moment, is the lowest allowed

under EU law. There'll be plans published in Brussels next week to

give us the freedom to see the back of the tampon tax once and for all.

The Chancellor said, we have heard people's anger over this loud and

clear. The VAT levied on sanitary products

will be diverted or has been diverted to women's charities. One

of those that's received money is the Eve appeal.

With me in the studio is Laura Coryton who set up

the Stop Period Tax campaign and Athena Lamnisos from the charity

And in Dewsbry is the Labour MP Laula Herriff who has been

Law that you must be pleased. How did you get involved? My friend told

me about this a few years ago. I startded looking into what was tax

and what was not and that's when I found that the maintenance of

private jets aren't taxed or like Jaffa Cakes, so then I thought this

really has to be wrong and something has to be done. So it wasn't so much

about the amount that it was costing people using the product, it was the

fact that you felt there was discrimination? Yes. Athena, good

has come of the tax, tell us what you have received as a result of

this? The Eve Appeal is a gynaecology charity and issues are

underfunded and undertalked about and this kind of boost and what more

relevant use of the tampon cost than for gynaecology cancers has been

fantastic and a really good way to fund research which is, our research

is the more cutting edge end of things and where conventional

scientific funders are more difficult to come by. So it's just

been brilliant getting this boost at this point in time.

And you have had ?350,000? Yes, for a risk prediction programme which is

looking at risk across four women's cancers and developing an innovative

test to predict that risk with women so it's a real hi cutting edge

programme that they have chose tonne invest in which has been fantastic.

Obviously if the taxes stayed in place, that money would carry on

flowing to charities like yours? It could do. What do you think about

that? Forgive the pun but it's bleeding obvious that it should

continue. Women's causes are hard to fund so it's been an interesting way

of looking at things and, if you look at the list of charities that

received funding in the second tranche, the Eve appeal was lucky

enough to be in the first tranche of funding in November for the first

part of the budget statement. There's some really interesting

projects there which would have found funding very hard to come by

from other places of that scale and volume and I think that's an

interesting lesson that the Government should be learning. I'll

be interested to hear from Paula about that because her issues are

very strong. Paula, what is your thought on the tampon tax being

scrapped and the broader implications of it? Good morning

Victoria, obviously I'm pleased with the news that came out yesterday.

It's been a long time coming and we are not there yet but it's sounding

good. We are hopeful the Chancellor will accept the amendment I've

tabled to the budget next week so that will hopefully start the

legislative journey about getting this ridiculous tax scrapped once

and for all. But we need to ensure that organisations and charities

like the Eve Appeal and like so many others, including domestic violence

and rape centres continue to be funded and I'll be working with the

organisations and hopefully with the Government to ensure they don't miss

out as a result of this tax being scrapped.

Athena, put your thoughts directly to Paula in terms of what you think

might be a helpful way to go forward tone sure charities like yours don't

lose out? I think that's absolutely right. The issues need to be pushed

much further up the agenda. This is ovarian cancer awareness month and

these cancers are not talked about enough. Generally, there are many

women's health issues that aren't talked about enough and that are too

stigmatised. What's been helpful about this tax has been actually to

talk about periods, people don't talk about them and there is a huge

set of health issues coming from those that need to be high up the

agenda. Athena, you are hoping the Government might learn from this, do

you have any suggestions of what might take its place? Money comes

from many different pots and this's something that needs to be looked

at. This is has felt very relevant to us. I think it's been more

difficult when it's come to looking at the other issues that it's gone

into, but for us, this has been a very straight line between tampon

tax and gynaecology issues which has been great. I think that there are

many pots of money that we could look at supporting some of the

lesser known causes, issues et cetera and domestic violence being

one of them. What do you think about all of this Laura because obviously

the side effect has been a good one in that it could mean money drying

up for charities? It's problematic in that I don't think women should

have to pay for domestic abuse charities and I don't think using

tampons should mean they have to fund amazing charities like yours

and there shouldn't be this exact parallel. You guys should be

supported, you are a great charity and there are tonnes of great

charities, but I think there are probably better ways to come up with

the money. I don't think they should be paid for by women necessarily.

Paula, any thoughts specifically on where the money could be found?

We'll have to look at that, but clearly that is something that the

Chancellor needs to look at, maybe from Google perhaps. Absolutely, I'm

fully behind the charities, they do amazing work and part of the reason

I got involved in this campaign last year was around destigmatising some

of the issues around women's health. I'm in the process of setting up an

all-party group on women's health, that's not just to look at

gynaecology issues but looking at why they have a poorer prognosis for

heart attacks and strokes, so my work's just starting here and I've

been delighted that I've been able to use my position as an MP as a

vehicle to look at this legislative chaink. Why do you think it took so

long? There's been a variety of reasons. But I was determined that

there was no way I was going to leave this and I just pressed it all

the time. I think ultimately, the Government came under pressure from

the public. People power is very powerful these days, more so than

ever before so incredibly proud that I was the MP at the forefront of

this campaign. But it was people like Laura who inspirit spaed -- who

inspired me to get involved. I haven't met her yet, I can't wait to

meet her. I'm incredibly proud to work with these charities who do the

most wonderful valuable work. Wonderful to bring you together

virtually on the programme. Beryl on e-mail says; this money-grabbing tax

shouldn't have been applied by the meddling EU in the first place. It's

demeaning for women to have been singled out. Now to have to fight

for the right to have it removed from what is a basic hygiene item,

shame on the EU. You can't have it both ways, it's

unreasonable and greedy in a country already under financial pressure. Is

that it in terms of campaigning for you now or do you have your sights

set on other things? I never planned to campaign for this, but there's

one other thing I would like to add if that's OK. When you are asking

why it's taken so long for this to happen, it's been great getting

people together to campaign for this change for almost 40 years now. One

of my friend's mums tells me when she was my age she was campaigning

for this as well so there are tonnes of people that want this change but

for people to be able to come together on one single petition and

we have 300,000 signatures now, I want to say a huge thank you to

everyone who's come together and helped this change happen and push

this through. If the money is not found, will

there be an element of - I mean you said it's the right thing the tax

goes - but if it means the charities are not funded, what do you think

downing? Yes need to look at other ways of finding the money. The

advantage of the tampon tax, it's enabled small charities to scale up

activities and that's what we need to fight for. Ladies, thank you very

Coming up: what you think at home.

We'll hear from a woman who says a project funded by Sport Relief

saved her life when motherhood left her feeling suicidal.

In 2014, Ellie Clare was with two other friends in a car being driven

The car left the road and hit a tree nearby.

Ellie, aged 19, and her 21-year-old friend George were killed

The other two in the car, including Jasmine who was

She was found guilty on two counts of causing death by careless driving

But after just 15 weeks in jail, she requested permission to leave.

The families of those she killed were furious and began a campaign

When people are sentenced to jail, it doesn't mean they spend

If the sentence is for 12 months or more, the person usually spends

the first half of the sentence in prison and the second half

If they break the conditions of the licence - which could mean

not adhering to a curfew or committing another crime -

For prison sentences under 12 months, the person's normally

released automatically halfway through.

In this case, Jasmine Larder was sentenced to 15 months,

but applied for an early release after nearly four months.

Simon Clare, who's daughter Ellie was killed in the accident -

I know that just before the sentencing was handed down in court

you addressed the court and spoke about the impact of the crash. On

your family. You said, saying that it is every parent's nightmare to

lose their child is the most underrated statement in humanity.

Correct. What else did you say? That... To go through the process of

the courts was very stressful. The system doesn't help you. You are led

down a path which turns out to be very different in reality. I lost my

daughter. And the person was sentenced to 15 months, which was a

hard blow to take at the time. Because I valued her life at seven

and a half months. Only to find out after leaving court that it would

probably only going to be half that. And then shortly after, she went to

prison, we were told that it would only be 15 weeks. Which again seven

and a half weeks for each life. That is very hard. And I just don't think

people understand the process that happens. And having sat in court,

gone through the trial, verdict given, you then go to sentencing,

which was never going to be enough, but to then be told that... The

probation service, it's down to the prison governor and she was probably

going to be released. How did you find out that she was probably going

to be released after 15 weeks? The probation service sent us a letter,

as a matter of fact would we like to meet to discuss possible items on

her release. There was no this is going to happen, it was just a

letter, would you like to contact us? Obviously, having just dealt

with the court and the sentencing, we decided yes, we would see what

they had to say. There was no question at that point we were told

that it looks as though she will be relessed after 15 weeks and there is

not a lot you can do about that. Would you like to set exclusion

zones and we can put them forward to see the if they would be agreed. We

asked what happen if she breaks these, they said she would be

arrested, sent back in, slapped on the hand and sent back out. 15 weeks

was totally unacceptable. No one knew anything about this. I even

spoke to the police and several people about it. Everyone was

absolutely shell-shocked that this could even happen. You had been told

there was little you could do. But you did do something. We had to

accept this, this is was going to happen. The family got together. My

mother in law wrote to the Prime Minister's office. Andrea, George's

mother, wrote letters to the Ministry of Justice, which were told

only to be told that was the wrong department to send it to. I

contacted the press. We spoke to our local vicar and got as many people

as we could to see what we could do. And the press helped us. And they

turned around and spoke to the justice department and they would

give us an answer and then at the 11th hour they have decided they

would forget the tag system and she could stay in. How do you feel

having had to fight to get the person responsible for the death of

your daughter to remain behind bars for longer than such a short

proportion of the sentence she was given? Unbelievable really, because

we live in a society that relies on justice and you go to these

processes, she was found guilty, you expect things to be as they say. And

to then be told, that is not how it is, you have got to accept it, was a

severe body, it is bad enough losing your daughter without having to

every day come back, or every week and then there is something else

happened and you're finding out second hand at times I was telling

the police what was happening. They were not aware. It was just not...

It is hard to struggle with coping. Some days you have a good day, you

come home and it's all fallen apart, because someone's sat in an office

and decided they're not elected, they have just decided that they're

not a judge, we will let her out. How do you cope with that? I am

doing it for my Ellie and George and for people, this is no at is not the

first accident and it won't the last. I'm fighting for the average

person to be aware that these judges hand down these sentences, this is

not what is going to happen. You only find out when you're in the

middle of it and you basically are given not a lot of time to even take

it in. Let alone think I need to fight this. And it can get you down

and you think, do I carry on, do I accept the situation, can I take any

more. And I'm the one who has lost a daughter. So yeah, it's hard. How do

you regard the time served in jail, do you see it as redemption,

retribution? We all... We drive vehicles, we all have to take

responsibility, from the bus drive to anyone. If you... Are not driving

correctly, you have to take responsibility. That is it. If you

steal you take responsibility. It is the same, you then go to court and

you're found guilty by your peers. You then should serve the sentence.

And that is not someone else decide what happens. It should be... It

should be that. It I was as simple. And I understand why it is these

people decide that it isn't. No sentence would bring back Ellie,

that would never make any difference obviously. Is somebody saying sorry

almost as important? Remorse, yes. Yes. Remorse helps. Without remorse,

it's... What are you? We all do things, we all go around this

world... You carry on regardless of anyone else's feelings and what's

happened. Then yeah, it... You reap what you sow basically. There is no

remorse. I have not seen any remorse. No one's turned around and

said to me, oh, I'm sorry, or that point... Yes, that does help. It

shows you are... You have taken on board what's happened, or you can

just disregard it and carry on and who are you to question me? Jan on

text said it is disgusting, where is the justice for this family, having

to go through this and be in mourning. John said it must have

cost a fortune to go to court and then get this pitiful sentence. This

must change. Jasmine is now appealing against the sentence, the

15 months any way. What is the process now with that? You're still

going through a process? The process, it went to, she... Asked

for her mission against the sentence and verdict. That went to a single

judge. The single judge refused permission to appeal on the verdict.

He granted permission to appeal on the sentence. That was... About two

weeks ago. We were told it would be at the Crown Court in London. In

London. The... We were told it could be fairly imminent, within 14 days

and it could go to three judges and she could be out tomorrow. Even

though we have gone and engaged in stopping this tag system, which she

could be let out, then tomorrow... Monday, Tuesday next week, the three

judges could say she has served enough let's her out and there would

be no tag, no restrictions or nothing on her. We appreciate you

Coming up: coming in. Thank you. Thank you.

People with autism are more likely to die early -

either from conditions like epilsepy or from suicide.

We'll find out what more can be done to support them and their families.

First the weather. This time of year the weather can do almost anything.

It depends on whether the cloud breaks up or whether we see the

sunshine. Yesterday was the warmest day of the year so far. We did see

the cloud breaking up, is sunshine fairly strong and temperatures up to

19 degree. But it feels different when the cloud sticks around. A huge

contrast in temperatures. In Aberdeen around eight degrees. Be I

in Braemar we saw the warmest day of year with temperatures up to 18.7.

So the temperatures are dependent on where we see the breaks in the cloud

and the days are getting longer. If we look at one weather watcher

picture, thichs was the scene -- - this was the scene in Aberdeenshire.

You can see the blue skies and sunshine. Contrast that to a picture

this morning from Staffordshire. You can see the mist and fog. We have

had similar pictures sent in. It has been a murky, misty start. But

things will brighten up. High pressure still in charge of the

weather. Things are not changing much day-to-day. We have more cloud

today than yesterday. Particularly for eastern areas. And that cloud

bringing a few spots of light rain. But for most places things are dry.

It is in the west that we will see the lion's share of the sunshine. 3

o'clock in the afternoon, sunny in western Scotland and much of

Northern Ireland and Cumbria. To the east of the Pennines the cloud will

stick around. Grey with hill fog in the east. In Wales and Devon and

Cornwall things are dry and it will feel warm. If you're stuck under the

cloud in central and eastern parts of England, temperatures no better

than six to nine degrees. Stays cloudy for most of us tonight. The

cloud work further west and it will bring some light rain. For most

mrafss mrachss it is -- places it is dry. So high pressure stays us with

through Saturday and another largely dry day. A few spots of drizzle for

central and eastern parts of England. The west of sunshine in

western Scotland, Northern Ireland and the north-west of England.

Temperatures around seven to nine degrees. So cool under the cloud.

And of course the Six Nations is drawing to a close and Saturday's

games look cloudy. In Cardiff, Dublin and Paris too and cool and we

could see some brightness at times. High pressure stays around for the

weekend. No great changes on Saturday and into Sunday. Sunday

looks like a similar day, once again. We have still got light winds

and dry. But a fair amount of cloud on Sunday. More of a breeze in the

far north. Where we see the brightness just about into double

figures. But for most seven to nine degrees. And no great change into

the new week. So for Monday into Tuesday, largely dry, Farley cloudy

and cool. Hello I'm Joanna Gosling

in for Victoria. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. As the government continue

to consult of proposals to restrict some benefits paid to people

with disabilities, we'll ask if a revolt by Tory backbenchers can

cause a rethink from the Chancellor. Hundreds of millions of pounds have

been raised by BBC Sport Relief, for worthy causes here

and across the world since it began We'll hear from a woman

who was helped by Sport Relief, when motherhood left

her feeling suicidal. We'll discuss the ongoing

controversy surrounding Madonna after the singer was labelled

'breathtakingly arrogant' for turning up to a concert

in Brisbane over two hours late. Some fans who had paid over ?150

a ticket walked out. EU leaders agree a controversial

plan to put to Turkey on tackling But it seems to have been watered

down on concessions of visa-free Key talks with the Turkish Prime

Minister are continuing Today we'll continue our

consultations with my colleagues, with the European leaders together.

I am sure, I hope, that we will be achieving our goal to help all the

refugees, as well as to look at EU Turkish relations which will be good

news for the continent and humanity all together.

The government's plans on disability payments seem to be dipping

There are mixed messages from the government over its plans

Last night Education Secretary Nicky Morgan said they were still under

consultation and that's led some to think they could be changed,

to avert a possible Tory backbench revolt.

But now the BBC's been told that that Ms Morgan 'doesn't seem

to understand' the proposals and a source insists the government

is NOT in what's being called 'concession territory'.

British officials say David Cameron's achieved the support of

other EU leaders to scrap the VAT on sanitary product. Brussels will

publish proposals next week. A campaigner welcomed the news.

I didn't necessarily think it was a bad thing to begin with because I

always thought things in context maybe it makes sense, maybe it has

to make sense for it to exist. Then I started looking into what was

taxed and what wasn't taxed. I looked at private jets, they were

not taxed, jaffa cakes were not taxed and then I thought, something

has to be done. An 18-year-old man has been

shot dead in Birmingham. The teenager was found lying

in a street in the Ladywood area Police have begun a murder inquiry

and are appealing for witnesses. An electrician has died

after falling 53 stories from a construction

site in Los Angeles. It was reportedly only the man's

second day working on the project which will be the tallest

building in the West Coast And Britain's tallest mountain

is a little bit bigger The Ordnance Survey has re-measured

the Scottish peak and its official height is now 1,345 metres that's

a metre taller than before. We will start at the Cheltenham

Festival where it's Gold Cup day, and after that famous race at 4.10,

Britain's double Olympic cycling champion Victoria Pendleton

will ride 16-1 shot Pacha Du Polder This time last year she hadn't

even sat on a horse, today she races on the biggest day

of the jumps season. Let's go live to the course

in Gloucestershire and say good Good morning, Will. The stands

behind me will be full later. We only have one spectator, a gentleman

having a brief morning nap behind me but more people will be here later,

I promise you. You can see how misty and cold it is. Very different

conditions to yesterday when we had a beautiful St Patrick's Day

afternoon. There are two big talking points today, the Gold Cup and

Victoria Pendleton's transition from cyclist to jockey. She goes at 4.

10. She's had a jockey career with various mishaps to date but she did

win in Wincanton last time out. AP McCoy on BBC Breakfast earlier said

he felt she'd get round the course absolutely fine but he said he felt

the horse may not have the stamina. There is questions as to whether she

should be riding at all. Some saying it's add even Channel 4ous and bold

and some others saying it's reckless and puts other jockeys in danger.

I've always been underestimated, you know, too small, not mentally tough

enough to be a champion what what what, so it's not unusual to hear

the negative comments -- blah, blah. I believe that I'm capably to go

forward and I'm going to give it my best shot.

but at Cheltenham the focus is on the Gold Cup, of course;

The locals are hoping that Cue Card will be victorious. He's the

favourite trained by Colin Tizzard. He's regarded as one of the big boys

of racing training now. He found he was struggling to breathe after

racing last April, so had an operation and has come back and

looks strong and he's very well backed here. If he's going to win,

he's going to take on the make of the Irish, he won six out of seven

races yesterday. That combination of trainer Willie Mullins and jockey

Ruby Walsh has been success. This week but he's fallen twice. Another

Mullins horse in the running and Dons can sack train bid Gordon

Elliott's already beaten Jackadam. We hope it will be a little warmer

here when action gets under way. Hello, thank you for joining us this

morning, welcome to the programme We're on BBC 2 and the BBC

News Channel until 11 this morning. You can get in touch in the usual

ways; use the hashtag Victoria Live. If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

watch our programme online via the bbc news app

or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Lots getting in touch about the

migrant crisis. One saying good on Australia, let's get our own country

back, good on Australia. How can the country take any migrants when we

can't afford to pay disability people. Chuck on Twitter says, great

to see the Australians dog what we should be doing, good on them. On

tampon tax, how could it have been taxed in the first place. Another

person's texted to say if the tampon tax is revoked, what stops the

companies increasing the prices to increase the profits? Vicky on

e-mail says, I remember when at boarding school in the late '40s, a

group of us wrote to the Chancellor about this. Only around 70 years for

this change, is this progress or more vocal women? Wherever you are,

you can watch the programme on the news app or the website. Thank you

very much for all of your comments so far, keep them coming in.

Is the EU finally at the point of reaching an agreement with Turkey

on how to stop the influx of hundreds of thousands of migrants

making that perilous journey over the sea to Greece?

The Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is now locked in talks

They have already agreed between themselves on a joint

position to put to the Turks - and on his arrival first thing this

morning Mr Davutoglu said he was hopeful

But it seems as though the offer to Turkey has been watered down.

Let's take a look at the details of the deal -

and what countries have committed to do to help already.

Peter Sutherland is the UN Special Representative

of the Secretary-General for International Migration -

he's very pro-relaxing borders and thinks the leaders

at the meeting should do more to help refugees from Syria

He's in our Edinburgh studio for us now.

What is your view of this deal with Turkey? Well, from what I've heard

and read, we are some distance from a deal. There remain political and

economical issues outstanding. Whether there'll be a deal remains

unclear. Let me make a preliminary point, the overriding, preliminary

issue, has to be the welfare of desperate people who're migrants,

refugees overwhelmingly. The fact that this discussion and the

discussion in Brussels seems to be focussed on how to keep them out is

an indictment of society, rather than the absolute, our

responsibility here has to be to help desperate people and not to

spend all our time solely talking about how we can unload

responsibility from one country to another.

So what would you say then on the numbers who should be able to come?

I say that, if Europe were properly organised, a continent of over 500

million, the wealthiest continent in the universe, taking one million

migrants fairly shared, which they are not at present, is not something

which should be a disastrous challenge, it's something that

should be easily handled. Germany alone took over a million last year.

If everybody shared that responsibility, as suggested in fact

by the European Commission, the problem that we have today at least

could be addressed. The current disarray is the result of the fact

that there is not a coherence between the different EU states.

What about the logistical reality though of dealing with large numbers

of migrants in terms of housing, schools, Health Services and

everything else that comes into play?

It's an appallingly difficult problem, I accept, but if you take

it in microcosm, let's take the Calais example which is now longer

the same as it was -- no longer the same as it was, we had 5,000 people

for month after month in dreadful sanitary conditions. If they'd been

properly handled at a European level, let alone a French level, it

would be easy to provide for them. The reality is that migrants can

generally be a positive rather than a negative. I don't deny there is a

huge challenge and huge mittical backlash, that's clear. What do you

think about the Australian example, a very clear message from Australia

to people travel thering without a visa to stay out, they'll not be

allowed to legally settle if that is the option they decide to go down in

terms of trying to get into Australia. It has been criticised

but it's very popular? Of course it's very popular and the tweets

that you referred to earlier on this programme indicate the sort of

responses you're getting from public opinion. Keep this place for

ourselves alone - I don't accept that argument. We live in a

globalised world where we have responsibility which we have to

share and in particular the world in 1951 after the Second World War took

on the responsibility of a looking after refugees and we should live up

to that moral responsibility. Thank you very much for joining us.

Let's go to our Europe correspondent Rob Watson in Brussels.

What are the prospects looking like for this deal being finalised?

They are not done yet but I think we know the outline of the deal and I

guess it would be described as a grand bargain between the European

Union and Turkey along the following lines that Turkey does more to

discourage people, migrants from making the journey to the European

Union and Greece in particular in the first place but also takes back

people who embark on that journey and that in return, the European

Union would give Turkey more financial assistance and indeed that

it would actually house some Syrian refugees in Europe but that it would

also make wider concessions about Ankara's broader relationship with

the European Union. But, as you can imagine, these are immensely

complicated issues, both in terms of the practicalities, the legalities

of the deal, the idea of turning refugees, putting migrants and

refugees back to Turkey but also of course the politics of the

relationship between many EU state members and Turkey. In terms of

numbers, if it's one in one out, what difference will this deal make?

Well, look, I think it's important to remember what is the thrust

behind this deal and it's very much the opposite of what Peter was

talking about in Edinburgh. Whether one agrees with them or not, what

the European Union wants to do is to end what it sees as the sort of

chaotic way in which migrants are making their way to Europe and so

the whole idea of this is deterrent. That's what this deal is about,

trying to persuade migrants in Turkey, look, don't make the deal

because you are not going to get selledled in Europe, you are going

to get turned back and may go to the back of the queue. It seems to me

the real test if agreement is reached between Turkey and the

European Union Joanna will be, well will people think that's credible,

be it actually happen, if you set out towards Greece, will you be

processed quickly and sent to Turkey, will that really happen? On

that issue of how quickly will people be processed, will more

resources be put in? How workable would this plan be on the ground?

That's exactly what officials in the European Commission were looking at

and officials in Turkey, the kind of assistance they would need from the

rest of Europe because absolutely, you think about this, and think

about say from January to now, 136,000 people approximately have

made their way from Turkey to Greece. The idea of having those

people makes sure you abide by the current humanitarian law before

putting them into boats or whatever means of transport back to Turkey.

Clearly, this is a big, big project. Autistica, Still to come, mad Donna

has been keeping some Australia fans waiting for hours before going on

stage. They're not happy. We will have the details.

Now, are the Government's plans on disability payments

George Osborne's outlined proposals in the Budget to tighten up

what are called PIP payments, that help people with extra needs

But yesterday, there was talk of Conservative backbench protests,

and then Nicky Morgan the Education Secretary,

I think we want there to be control of the welfare budget, we made clear

we are not going to balance the books on the back of most vulnerable

and the disable and we hold to that promise. We have to finish the

consultation with MPs, but also with disability groups and others, before

we bring any legislation forward. With we can speak to Phil Reynolds.

What is your reaction to what was announced? We are disappointed with

the decision to cut PIP for people with Parkinson's. It is rigging the

game against people with Parkinson's by harming people who rely on aids

and applyianses to do things like we take for granted like wash

themselves. Parkinson's is a degenerative disease and this will

be devastating. Explain the difference that, how the system

works and how much money somebody would get, obviously it varies on a

case to case basis, but a typical example of the support people would

get. The system is designed to help a person manage the extra costs

faced by their disability and improve their independence. You you

are asked questions about whether you can undertake what they call

daily living activities like washing and dressing, going to toilet,

cooking a meal and these activities, you're awarded points on the level

of difficulty you have. The government is planning to make some

of the points less valuable for people who rely on aids to do things

like go to the toilet and to dress themselves. We think this is a huge

backward step. PIP would award people Tatlowest level is ?150 a

week if carers are able to qualify for the benefit through their

connection with them. It could a huge impact on people with

Parkinson's. Are there other safety nets, the Chancellor said actually

an extra billion pounds is going into disability spending. Well that

is up with thing, but remember these measures are going to take money out

of the pockets of people with Parkinson's by cutting access to

these vital sources of support to keep them independent. Last week the

Government passed cuts to a benefit to replace your income hen you're

too unwell to work and people will lose ?1,500 a year. It one thing to

claim the budget is increasing but people are seeing support slashed

away. On the question of safety nets are there others, would charities

step in? Parkinson UK provides information and support to help

people take control and manage their condition, but I don't think it is

for the third sector to pick up holes in the government that has

blown in its own disability budget. People have paid into the system

through national insurance and they have a right to expect the support

will be there. Thank you. Now let's go to our political correspondent.

Is it clear what is happening with this system? The short answer to

your question is no. We are going to have a briefing from the Prime

Minister's official spokesman in the next 40 minutes. That should be

enlightening to see if they're changing tack from yesterday. The

Government yesterday was of the view that what it had set out last week

and in the Budget was where it was going to go, a change in the formula

for the Personal Independence Payment that would make it less

generous, but it was at its current level paying people for ongoing

costs associated with the disability that the government argued were not

there in every instance. So then we had Nicky Morgan sounding very, very

equivocal, suggesting the whole thing was a suggestion, but it was a

lot more than that when it was published by the department of work

and pensions, they said they had decided they were going to change.

Now the department say they feel that Nicky Morgan was free lancing a

bit and not articulating what Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions

Secretary, has been saying. Enter into the fray the leader of

opposition, Jeremy Corbyn. Here what is he said. The government is taking

1.2 billion from Personal Independence Payments, 6.4 billion

over the lifetime of the Parliament. The government's language has

changed from will do, so they're consulting. We are going to force a

vote and we are launching a petition, what the Chancellor is

doing is demanding those who disabilities who want to live an

independent life pay for his tax cuts. For the changes to happen,

legislation has to pass through the House of Commons and I'm told it

will have to pass through both houses, the Commons and the Lords.

The Conservatives have a working majority of 17 in the House of

Commons. You only need a moderately filled minibus of Tory rebels for

the government to be defeated. And you look at the House of Lords where

the Conservatives don't have a majority and you remember the grief

they got over the changes to tax credits in the autumn. There is a

big political and economic question here. The economics of this from the

Treasury's point of view is if there is an about turn it leaves them with

a bill to pay, because it would move more expensive and the politics of

this is that George Osborne wants to be Prime Minister and he is not in

the business if he can help it of irritating too many of his

colleagues or Conservative activists, let alone the electorate.

So a huge amount at stake for those receive the benefits and to George

Osborne. How would you gauge the potential scale of any political

rebellion on, among the Conservatives? It is difficult to

judge. The word of choice that a few are using is scoring, that is

helpfully useless and doesn't give you a sense of the numbers. But

given the size of the government's majority, not a lot, they don't need

to be many, providing MPs from the other party oppose the changes. That

looks likely. But in essence you don't need many to make a noise for

it to be awkward for the government. Not least because if they're noisy

and angry publicly that could attempt the Government to make a

change before you get near a Commons defeat. Thank you. Do let us know

your thoughts on that. A lot of you getting in touch on the interview

with Simon about the death of his daughter in a car crash. The person

responsible for the death of his daughter sentenced to 15 months in

jail and was going to be let out after 15 weeks. He and others

campaigned to change that. A lot of you getting in action. Karen said

I'm a probation officer and the offender has been sentenced

according to the law and will be released according to the law. She

will get released come what may at the half way stage. Judges sentence

according to guidelines. It is the governments that make the law not

individual governors. One said, the need is to free up jail space and it

is obvious to anyone with half a brain we need ten large new prisons.

I'm sure David Cameron promised that before he was elected. An anonymous

texter said was the person under the influence of alcohol or drugs, they

should feel the wrath of the courts, otherwise if it was an accident they

should deal with it accordingly. Ian, some people are missing the

point, he is asking for justice not revenge. The system lets down

victims. Thank you for those. Keep your thoughts coming in.

A charity is warning of what it says is "an enormous hidden crisis"

of people in the UK with autism, dying earlier than the rest

Autistica, which wants more research into the problem,

says people with the condition die on average

16 years younger than those not affected by it.

We can discuss this further now with our health correspondent,

Jane Dreaper, and Ian Murray, whose 20-year-old son Patrick

Thank you for coming in. Jane tell us about the report. The report

lifts the lid on figures that are shocking and surprising to many

people, even those with families of people with autism that they're

dying on average 16 years younger, but it can be 30 years younger,

before the age of 40. We don't understand the reason for this. One

problem problem is autistic people are more likely to be epilepsy. It

could be there is a more fundamental link between autism and epilepsy

that we don't know about. The charity is putting the figures from

a large study to say we need more understanding about the problem and

highlighting how autistic people have less good levels of general

physical good health. It is not something that has been put out

there before. No the charity is aware this may come as a shock to

families of people with autistic children or adults. They're aware of

the need to phrase this sensitively. It may not surprise people, but its

new data and it shows how, when you have the communication challenges

that autistic people have it can be difficult to access the right health

care, problems may not be picked up and people may have poor lifestyle

or diets and could have more problems with things like heart

disease and one factor that was talked about social isolation and

bullying and people are perhaps living different lives. It is sad

stuff. Ian, your son Patrick, he is autistic, how do you feel about the

report? It didn't come as a shock. I have been aware that because of some

of the health conditions Patrick has, especially with epilepsy, there

was potential for that to limit his life. However it was a surprise to

find that in Patrick's case potentially 30 years, which is quite

horrendous. I think a lot of that in my opinion is down to how the

autistic person is cared for and managed. I'm fortunate with Patrick

that I have put a lot of effort into getting him into a phenomenal place

called Pryer's Court, a 50 acre site and Patrick went there a couple of

years ago and he is very happy and settled. What has reduced his stress

levels dramatically. How does that, how you see that? There is a picture

of him. How old is he there? He was just two, eating snow! He is about

17 or 18 there. He had reached a point where life was very stressful.

He is classically autistic. That actually is the majority of autistic

people, although more often than not it is other cases. Explain that

then? Other than repeating things back to

you, he doesn't say much. He will only speak when he gets an immediate

benefit or return from something, like if you say pizza to him, he'll

say pizza. He uses a system which is absolutely intrinsic at the Court,

everywhere you go... What is that? Little signs that are stuck to

everything. You walk around the school and every door has a sign

telling you what it is. Patrick's day starts with a plan and he's told

within his schedule, which is a board with all the stickers on, what

he is doing for that day. "Get dressed", "clean teeth". Everything

is planned and structured to his day, that reduces his anxiety levels

dramatically and this's resulted in help towards a reduction in his

epilepsy. Patrick developed epilepsy, as is Common common with

autistic people, they get it in adolescence. Patrick developed

epilepsy then. A yearing he had five seizures back-to-back in an hour...

That nearly killed him. It's all right. Let's talk to Jane a

bit. What you are talking about there is what it was like and the

difference obviously that having this amazing help that he's getting

is making and I guess it's that sort of thing, Jane, that the hairty

wants to be looked at, what can make a difference? Yes. When you talk to

people like Ian, the fighting he's had to do on behalf of Patrick for

years and years, going to court to make sure he gets the right sort of

care, it's something that will be very familiar to families in this

situation. I don't think people appreciate just how much you have to

put in and you are his add vole can't aren't you for when he's ill

and needs help. Absolutely. You are the one that can bridge the gap? I

am. The staff at the Court, Brize Court, they are phenomenal. It's a

centre of excellence to teach carers how to look after autistic people.

If that is rolled out an brought to minister Mo and more carers -- more

and more carers, we can reduce things down. It's not the only

approach that's needed but I see the level of care that my son gets at

Prize Court and the quality of care and the impact that's had on

Patrick's life is phenomenal, it really is. As Jane is saying, you

have battled. Have you felt autism's been an area that's not been

considered in the same way that other areas has? Absolutely. Classic

autism. When people are interested in autism, today when I came here, I

got a taxi and the taxi driver said what are you doing and I told him

and he said, oh, so your son's autistic, so what is it he's good at

was the first question. Like Rain Man? Yes, it put autism back in. .

Don't get me wrong, Asperger's is a hugely big part of autism, but there

is a classic bit which my son falls into. It's the bit that a lot of

autistic people fall into, they have normal intelligence range, they can

have learning disabilities, as Patrick does, but the reality is,

they are people who need support and care and, if that care is right, the

thing we talked about, you talked about diets, Patrick's diet is

managed. It's really well managed by Prize Court. They let him have nice

things but don't let him overload with the things that will make him

unhealthy. They get that balance right. That's what good care is

about for autistic people and this's what I think we Ned a hell of a lot

more of. A viewer says, I have a son with Aspergers and a child with

ADHD. This can be so beneficial so if we know more about it we can do

more. Jane, apart from anything, this report being out there is going

to raise the profail of this and perhaps get more attention to it? I

think it will. Health Ministers know there is a problem here and they

know that progress needs to be speeded up. We are seeing some

changes, for example Wales is about to bring in a National Autism

Service and slowly there's recognition that so many families

like Ian's have Patrick's experience where adults aren't able to work and

communicate, it's not the Rain Man scenario and a lot more support is

needed but the evidents do need to be speeded up.

Thank you both very much. We'll hear from a woman

who volunteers for a charity funded by Sport Relief after motherhood

left her feeling suicidal. She'll tell us how she's helping

mothers in the same situation. Madonna's been keeping some

of her Australian fans waiting for two hours before

coming on stage. EU leaders agree a controversial

plan to put to Turkey on tackling Key talks with the Turkish Prime

Minister are continuing It seems the deal may have been

watered down on concessions of visa-free travel for Turks,

and financial aid. The government's plans to tighten up

disability payments seem to be drifting into some

confusion this morning. Last night Education Secretary Nicky

Morgan said they were still under consultation - but now the BBC's

been told that the government is not in 'concession territory',

as a source put it. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his

party is fighting the proposals. It's interesting the Government's

language has changed from "will do" to now saying they are consulting.

We are going to force a vote on this, we are launching a petition

this morning against this because what the Chancellor's doing is

demanding that those with disabilities who want to lead the

most independent life they can pay for his corporation tax cuts.

An 18-year-old man has been shot dead in Birmingham.

The teenager was found lying in a street in the Ladywood area

Police have begun a murder inquiry and are appealing for witnesses.

It could be the end of the so-called tampon tax.

British officials say David Cameron has secured the support of other EU

leaders to allow the UK to scrap VAT on sanitary products

and Brussels will publish proposals next week.

One campaigner who spoke to this programme welcomed the news.

I didn't necessarily think it was a bad thing to begin with because I

always thought things in context, maybe it makes sense, it kind of has

to for it to exist. Then I started looking into what was taxed and not.

That's when I found the maintenance of private jets aren't taxed or

Jaffa Cakes and edible Sugar Flowers, so I thought, this has to

be wrong, something has to be done about it.

An electrician has died after falling 53 stories

from a construction site in Los Angeles.

It was reportedly only the man's second day working on the project

which will be the tallest building in the West Coast

And Britain's tallest mountain is a little bit bigger

The Ordnance Survey has re-measured the Scottish peak and its official

height is now 1,345 metres - that's a metre taller than before.

We have an update for you on a story we covered yesterday about charities

who say they may have been denied millions of pounds

all because of personal messages written by donors on the UK's

Messages like from 'Mum and Dad', which suggested donations may have

been from more than one person, had the gift aid part

The HMRC told us they work very closely with charities to ensure

the gift aid rules are applied correctly and they receive the full

We should also tell you that the UK's largest

fundraising website, Justgiving, have told us:

Let's catch up with the sport. Manchester United and Liverpool have

been charged by UEFA following crowd trouble during last night's Europa

League tie at Old Trafford. Liverpool will be in this

afternoon's draw for the quarter-finals after it finished 1-1

last night. Coutinho's goal seeing them through 3-1 on aggregate.

Britain's double Olympic cycling champion, Victoria Pendleton, will

ride in the Foxhunter Chase in Cheltenham. This time last year she

hadn't even sat on a horse. Today she races on the biggest day of the

jump season on the 16-1 shot horse. The new Formula One season is under

way. Lewis Hamilton set the quickest time in both practice sessions in

Melbourne ahead of Sunday's first race. Nico Rosberg and him crashed

in the damp conditions. Great Britain won six medals, including

three golds on the opening day of the paracycling track World

Championships in Italy. Kadeena Cox won time trial gold on

her debut at the event. More on the website throughout the day Joanna.

An 18-year-old has been found dead in Birmingham. Phil Macy is at the

scene. What can you tell us? He was found with a gunshot wound. This is

where it happened. The tent is where the body was discovered, presumably.

The forensic inquiries are ongoing as they try to ascertain what

happened from locals. This is the fourth person who's died in

Birmingham as a result of gunshot wounds in just the last six months.

Desmond is a community activist, you know this particular part of

Birmingham particularly well. We don't know what a lot about what

happened last night but this is worrying isn't it, four people dead

from gunshot wounds in Birmingham recently? That's rite. This is a

residential area where families are and this is happening in the street

which is concerning. One big issue we find is that this spike commenced

in January 2015 and gun crime has been taken off the agenda for a

while and then there was a spike in July 2015, a major spike. Four

people have lost their lives and clearly, the whole issue of weapons

generally need to be placed on the agenda. The police will say that

compared to a decade ago, even though the figures have gone up,

they are not nearly as bad as they were in the bad old days and they'll

also say they have carried out a lot of arrests and have had success in

taking weapons off the street. Nevertheless, there was a commission

launched into guns and gangs on Wednesday, I think you attended

that, so what more can be done? We have noticed a grass roots campaign

called no to guns, yes to life. We need to get everybody in the city on

board with that. Once people see things happening in their

communities, this is about community action and about us joining hands

together to do something about it, let's just note the importance of

grass roots joining together with the authorities and any action to

resolve this, we've got to get to the root of it. The most important

thing that we have to do is work together on it. You take part in the

peace rallies the first Sunday of every month, is that right, where

people go out and walk across the streets and try to engage with

people who might be involved in gangs. Yes. This bears the hallmarks

of a gang shooting but we don't know whether it is that at the moment. Do

you think you can have an impact on these parts of Birmingham that have

been blighted by guns? We have got to try. If we don't try, we'll stand

round and talk about it. We are about taking action and doing

something about it, because at the end of the day, one thing we've

noticed with the authorities, there are times when it appears to be

dealt with as flavour of the month. There's no flavour of the month

here, it has to be permanently on the agenda. In January, we

negotiated a gun surrender to join the knife surrender. It's been give

an six-month shelf life by the Police and Crime Commissioner but as

far as we are concerned this will go on permanently, we have got knife

bins around the place and as far as we are concerned, we want them

utilised. If anyone out there knows of anyone who's got a gun or a

knife, encourage them to put them in the bins. Thank you very much

Desmond. As you can see, investigations are continuing. I

think we are going to get some more information from West Midlands

Police in the next few hours so we may learn what they consider this

particular fatal shooting to have been about. One thing I have learned

is that the victim doesn't necessarily come from this area and

off than can be part of the problem, when people start venturing into

different postcodes almost in certain cities like Birmingham that,

can create tensions and we are speculating a bit at the moment, but

we'll get more information from West Midlands Police later. This is the

scene here this morning, an 18-year-old lost his life here just

over 12 hours ago. Today marks the start

of the Sport Relief weekend where people across the country

will be taking part in sporting challenges to raise

millions of pounds. That money goes towards projects

that help transform lives. Our next guest, Charlie Francis-Pape

suffered extreme perinatal mental illness that left her

on the brink of suicide. Fortunately, she received

psychiatric treatment and now works with a Sport Relief-funded campaign

to help support other She joins us now

to share her story. Thank you for coming in to join us.

You suffered severe post-natal depression, cumulatively over three

births that came relatively close together. Tell us, I mean you have

been on a long journey, take us back to that time after the birth of the

first when you realised you were struggling. I had my first six years

ago I had what I would describe as mild to moderate post-natal

depression. It was recognised. Did you have to flag it or did they spot

it. I had mild depression before. It is hard to differentiate, it is

difficult to have a child, and feeling low. But it became apparent

that it probably wasn't normal. Then three and a half years later I had

another. She is now two and a half I had a traumatic labour that left me

with post-traumatic stress disorder and I had flash backs to the birth

where I lost four litres of blood. Then I conceived my third baby and

my mental health plummeted after that. Where did it take you, how did

you end up with that? So I had three very young children, they were four,

one and a baby. And the first few weeks after my last child was born,

everything seemed normal and then my mood hit rock bottom and all I could

think of was ending my life. I was very shocked by how awful it was and

I didn't want to be alive any more. Can you describe that, you were at

home with three young children, feel like that, what was it like and were

you telling other people about it? No, something I am like when I'm

poorly, I'm very high functioning, my friends may have thought I was

having difficulty having a baby, but all I thought about was I didn't

want to be alive. It was like I was dying of a fatal illness and it was

only a matter of time breakfast I was going to -- - matter of time

before I was going to die. Did you tell anybody? I had a fantastic

health visitor and said to her, the only way I could articulate is it

I'm not feeling very good, but because she had me before she upped.

Understood. You said you felt ashamed, why did you feel ashamed?

The community I'm from is very child centred and most women I know are

stay at home mothers that take their children to school and do clubs and

being seen to not want to be alive when you're a mother is horrifying.

People presume it is a choice. They presume I wouldn't want to do that,

you have a child, why are you feeling like that. But it was beyond

my control. One day you got in your car... Started driving. Yes, I left

my children at home with my husband and decide that was it. I had had

enough. I didn't have any intention of returning. I don't remember much

of the of the journey, but I drove for six hours and went to a hotel

intending to end my life. Then I got a message from my husband saying,

please don't kill yourself, I love you and that snapped me out of it

and I went to hospital. What got you through? It is weird, because I was

with my new baby but the others were at home with my husband. What got me

through was good practitioner, medication, time and understanding.

And I guess when you're in there, you're in a bubble, it is like a

home, it is not like a hospital and there are no stresses, you look

after your baby and yourself and food is cooked, but when I came out,

I was still poorly, I was just declared as safe, it took a good six

months to get where I am feeling today. How are you feeling today?

Fantastic. We are very thankful that life I was better. You give it back,

you support other women, because there are so many other women, who

go through the same. What do you do? I mainly dry and speak to

practitioners, because so many don't understand the difference between

mental health and perinatal mental health and I'm a trainee midwife as

well and as a volcano a volunteer I talk to others and say life can be

challenging. Explain the different with Perry Natal and -- perinatal

other mental health. Society views you when you're a mother as you

should be the perfect mother. When you're not and when you feel there

is no attachment to your children and you feel their lives would be

better you weren't there is very difficult and there are lots of

triggers too make you feel more moorly. Hen your When you're

struggling and somebody said you should breast-feed your child.

You're raised it is the best thing, and it is, but when you're mentally

poorly and you don't do that, it is very hard. What is it you say when

you see somebody else going through that? I want to tell them I have

been there, because hopefully I come across as well. So just to say it's

horrifying and awful and lonely, but it will get better, as long as you

know who to talk to and have a good support network and you will be like

me and life will be fantastic again. You're training to be a midwife

after an experience of childbirth that was so traumatic you suffered

post-traumatic stress, that shows how far you have come? Yes it is

nice to be working in the system that helped me. How do you find the

prospect of helping other mums through childbirth? I love it. Just

sitting with a woman and whether they're mentally poorly or not, to

make them feel safe, to make a woman feel safe one day then it has been a

fantastic day. Thank you. It's not just here in the UK

that the money raised 50% of the money transforms lives

across the world's poorest communities, those such

as 10-year-old Champa from Bangladesh who risks death

every day collecting rubbish I am Champa, I am ten years old,

I live in in Bangladesh. I work as a litter picker

with my little brother. If I don't worki, then I don't

have money for food. If I was like other kids,

I would have more time to play and go to school, but unlike them I

can't afford it. I don't like work

and if I spent my time studying, Champa earns just 50p a day,

which is only enough But the good news is that a project

funded by Sport Relief is Champa goes to a centre for a a few

hours a day where she can study I like dancing at the centre

and sometimes I teach the other When I go litter-picking

I don't feel safe. Now, the centre has arranged

for me to go to a proper I love to read and study

and by doing this one day I hope to go on to do

something really good. To sign-up to the Sport Relief

Games, donate or find more And of course you can watch

Sport Relief live tonight from 7pm Madonna's bizarre antics

on stage during her world During a concert in Brisbane

yesterday, the singer pulled a fan's top down on stage and exposed

one of her breasts. Fans have also been complaining

about another concert starting late Here to tell us more

is our entertainment correspondent What has been going on? With this

fan, as you can imagine, that clip has gone viral and has been talked

about all over the world. People have been talking about it, some

suggesting that she might sue Madonna, because she is under 18 and

people say you have been publicly humiliated by this powerful rich

woman on stage. It has generated a huge amount of talk. She is showing

up late, fans are getting refunds. It is interesting how people are

seeing this tshs fan who had her top pulled down said she was fine with

and called it one of the best moments of her life and laughed off

suggestions she might sue and said she referred to me as a Victoria's

secret model. Madonna denied she came on stage drunk. She said she

was playing a character, where she dressed as a clown and fell off a

bike. She has been thanking her fans for support, because the tour has

been talked about a lot. We have got the images of her on stage where

you're talking about on the bike. Someone are getting concerned about

what might be going on here. There is the custody issue going on.

Madonna is is only person who knows what is going on, there is no

evidence it is related to the custody battle with Guy rchy.

Ritchie. Cynics say it is because her tour has not sold out. She is

the only person who knows what is going on and we will have to wait

and see. She has been talking about her son on stage. Yes it is a

difficult period for anyone going through something like that. But as

to the incidents being connected, who knows? We have no idea. The only

person who knows is Madonna and she is not talking about it. She said

she is not making money from the concerts, because she has to give so

many refunds, I presume that is not true. Well the economics of concert

going are a murky area with the ticket sales, the merchandise and

the rights, I am sure not a huge amount of sympathy if they think she

may be out-of-pocket. Thank you very much. To remind you starting from

Monday our programme starts at the earlier time of 9 o'clock. Have a

lovely weekend and I will see you soon.

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