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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire - | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
How some of the world's richest and most | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
powerful people hide their money in secret off-shore accounts. | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
We'll bring you details of the biggest ever leak | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
of confidential documents, which show just how tax | :00:24. | :00:25. | |
Also this week, we put the London Mayoral hopefuls | :00:26. | :00:40. | |
through their paces in our series, Cab Share. | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
This morning, it's the turn of Labour's candidate Sadiq Khan. | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
Does his knowledge stand up to the test?: | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Who plays at Selhurst Park? Crystal Palace. Where Angie and then from? | :00:50. | :01:01. | |
In standers. I need an ECG, I cannot cope with | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
this, it is going to happen, we are going to win the league. | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
We'll bring you the latest in our video diaries | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
With just six games to go they're now seven points clear | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
of their rivals to win the Premier League. | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on-air at the earlier time | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
and developing stories - if you're getting in touch with us | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
on the stories in the news, do use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
A huge cache of confidential documents has | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
revealed how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth. | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
11-million documents were leaked from one of the world's most | :01:54. | :02:02. | |
secretive companies, Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. | :02:03. | :02:03. | |
They show how it helped clients launder money, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
The company says it has operated beyond reproach for 40 years, | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
and has never been charged with criminal wrong-doing. | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
It is a unique glimpse of how offshore works. | :02:15. | :02:24. | |
For 40 years, Mossack Fonseca have helped the rich and powerful | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
The documents were leaked to the German newspaper | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
Suddeutsche Zeitung, and shared with the International Consortium | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
Panorama has been analysing the documents. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
They show how far Mossack Fonseca was prepared to go to | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
I wanted to earn enough money so I can create the life I really | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
Marianna Olszewski is a business guru on American television. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
It's all about living the life of your dreams and taking | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
That's exactly what she wanted to do, to bring back $1.8 million | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
But she did not want to reveal her identity. | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
The files show Mossack Fonseca came up with a solution. | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
Faking the ownership of a company is a blatant breach | :03:21. | :03:32. | |
When a company like Mossack Fonseca offers fake beneficial owner | :03:33. | :03:42. | |
services, that is completely undermining international efforts | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
to open up company ownership, then you completely pull the rug out | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Ms Olszewski didn't respond to our questions. | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
Mossack Fonseca say the allegations are unsupported and false. | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
They have always complied with international protocols | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
to ensure companies are not used for illicit purposes. | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
And we can talk to Richard Bilton now. | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
Tell us more about this huge leak? It is the scale of the leak that | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
gives us this unprecedented glimpse into the secret world of offshore. | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
Mossack Fonseca thought products like foundations and trusts and | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
nominee directorships, these can be used legally but in the files it is | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
clear they were being used to hide people's wealth from the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
authorities. Initially, the leak was to a German newspaper, Suddeutsche | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
Zeitung, and they passed it onto the international consortium of | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
investigative journalists, and in the UK that is the BBC panorama and | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
the Guardian newspaper, but around the world there are 100 and the | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
media organisations poring over these files. It is that breadth, the | :05:00. | :05:12. | |
depth, if you like, of the number of people involved in these files, 72 | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
current or former heads of state in the files, including dictators like | :05:16. | :05:16. | |
Gaddafi. Tell us more about some of the deal | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
is contained in the files? It is worth bearing in mind that | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
Mossack Fonseca promised their clients absolute confidentiality, so | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
these are arrangements that people bought nobody would see, not us, not | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
the authorities, not anyone, they were all snuck away, but now we can | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
see them and there are some eye-catching ones, for example a | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
suspected billion-dollar money-laundering ring being operated | :05:41. | :05:48. | |
by people who are close associate of President Putin, that is what seems | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
to spring from the files. There is also the Icelandic Prime Minister, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, he had an undeclared interest in an offshore | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
company, he says he has not done anything wrong, he is facing calls | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
for resignation in Iceland. The thing that struck me is there are | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
these big names in the files and we are drawn to them, but it is the | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
deals that are out there where people are just using these | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
Panamanian trusts and foundations to just lie, to hide their financial | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
business a way from the authorities, to say, for example, avoid tax on a | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
London property. Some people on Twitter for example | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
are saying, what a shock! Very, very rich people hide their money and try | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
to evade tax! Tell me something I don't know! | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
But it does matter, tell us why? It really does matter, the case that | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
you saw before involving the American business Guru, it is a key | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
case from the files because the headline figures, the shocking | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
stories will get headlines, but in reality what we can see from the | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
files is they were offering products and deals... Sorry, I have lost my | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
earpiece. Things that would allow you to get around international | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
regulations on money laundering, so for example the UK Government at the | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
moment have a register of beneficial owners, and what that is meant to do | :07:11. | :07:19. | |
is to basically allow us to see who owns UK companies, to see a public | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
list of who was behind them. In international finance, it is quite a | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
common practice, because if you are a bank or an accountancy firm or a | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
lawyer, you need to know who it is that you are dealing with otherwise | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
you could be unwittingly helping money-laundering, tax evasion, any | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
kind of nefarious activity. What we see in these files is a case where | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
they are selling fake ownership details could hide a wealthy | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
client's money from the authorities, which is in direct breach of the | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
money-laundering regulations. And the company itself, what does it | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
say? I did think Richard can hear us, but the company itself says it | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
has operated beyond approach for 40 years and that they have never been | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
accused or charged in connection with criminal wrongdoing or | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
allegations it sold fake beneficial ownership details, and they believe | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
those allegations are unsupported and false. | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
We have a statement from HMRC: HMRC can confirm we have received a great | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
deal of information on offshore companies including in Panama from a | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
wide range of sources, which is currently the subject of an | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
intensive investigation. We will have a conversation about | :08:41. | :08:47. | |
what has been revealed in this huge cache of files that has been leaked, | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
that is in the next ten minutes or so. | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
You can see the Panorama programme Tax Havens Of The Rich | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
And Powerful Exposed tonight | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
The first migrants to be returned from Greece to Turkey under | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
a controversial EU deal have docked in the Turkish port of Dikili. | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had not | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
They arrived here hoping for a better life in Europe. | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
But under the repatriation deal struck last month between the EU | :09:25. | :09:45. | |
and Turkey, the first 130 or so migrants have been deported | :09:46. | :10:09. | |
and those who arrived illegally will be sent back if they don't | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
apply for asylum, or if their claim is rejected. | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
Both Turkey and Greece have made a panicked rush | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
Neither country appears to be fully ready for the move, | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
with only a fraction of the necessary staff having | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
arrived on the Greek islands to accompany the process. | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
Human rights groups have also raised concerns over the lack of safeguards | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
We feel that there are still deficiencies and gaps in both | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
We're not opposed to returns as long as people are not in need | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
of international protection, they have not applied for asylum | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
The aim is to ease the uncontrolled movement of people into western | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Europe, many of whom take the dangerous sea route | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
But with around 400 migrants arriving on the Greek islands each | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
day, it seems it's doing little to discourage those desperate | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Union leaders meet in London today to plan the next steps | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
of their campaign to save the British steel industry. | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
Tata Steel announced last week it was selling | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
There'll also be a meeting this morning of a Wales Tata taskforce - | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
including representatives of the Welsh Assembly Transport | :11:03. | :11:03. | |
This afternoon an emergency session of the Welsh Assembly will discuss | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
the crisis hanging over the Port Talbot plant. | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence. | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association, | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
has started a petition calling for a change in the law. | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports - | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
including boxing, football and cricket. | :11:27. | :11:42. | |
A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
was stabbed to death in south-east London. | :11:46. | :11:46. | |
Officers were called to reports of an altercation between a number | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
of youths in Lewisham, at around 8pm on Sunday evening. | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
The victim, found in nearby was taken to hospital | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
Two men - aged 15 and 16 - are currently being held in custody | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
Labour's candidate for London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, has said taxi drivers | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
in the capital must be able to speak decent English. | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
He said Uber drivers should have to go through the same checks that | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
He was giving an interview in a cab to the BBC's assistant | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
They're so expensive, they're all disabled-friendly, | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
the criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do - | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
rather than levelling down your high standards, | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
let's level up the private hire vehicle standards. | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
Speaking English, doing security checks. | :12:27. | :12:28. | |
How does that work, do they have English tests? | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
Yeah, we will need to bring up the standards. | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
Basic English should be a requirement if you are a public | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
And if they don't get that, they wouldn't be able to operate | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
In my view, if you're in any public facing job, | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
you should have to speak basic English. | :12:47. | :12:47. | |
And you can hear more from that interview with London mayoral | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
Dame Judi Dench has became the most successful actor in the history | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
The veteran actress picked up a record eighth gong for best | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
supporting actress for her role in The Winter's Tale. | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
No-one has won as many Oliviers for acting since the awards began | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
I had a bet with my grandson, which I've now lost. | :13:09. | :13:17. | |
And I'm never going to be allowed to forget it. | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, Victoria - | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
A little later in the programme we'll bring you video diaries | :13:23. | :13:35. | |
from our Leicester fans and we'll look at the huge popularity of MMA - | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
or mixed martial arts - it's also known as cage fighting, | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
and in particular it's popularity amongst working professionals. | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
If you're into MMA - why do you do it? | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
You can get in touch via FB, Twitter, text, | :13:50. | :13:51. | |
What a match that was yesterday, I feel so sorry for the England | :13:52. | :14:12. | |
players. Yes, Ben Stokes in particular. A | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
thrilling finish to the world Twenty20, double joy for the West | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
Indies fans as they took the women's and men's title and we will see | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
their celebrations in a moment. But disappointing for England's men, 54 | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
from Joe Root, helping England to a chase a ball target of 155, but | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
excellent fielding left the West Indies needing 19 from the final | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
over, Carlos Brathwaite hitting four straight sixes to statutes victory | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
from the jaws of defeat which left Ben Stokes and go dejected, but the | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
victors jubilant after a tournament they merely boycotted. | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
Jubilation, too, the Leicester City, amazingly in the space of one year | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
going from seven point away from Premier League safety and facing | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
relegation to seven points clear at the top of the table. They beat | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
Southampton 1-40 thanks to Wes Morgan's header, and he was praised | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
by Claudio Ranieri afterwards, who says he believes they can continue | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
their magical season after four straight 1-2 victories. | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester United were lucky to beat Everton | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
won high consumer gangsta Anthony Martial's winner. United far from | :15:23. | :15:23. | |
their best but they moved one England's Charley Hull has missed | :15:24. | :15:59. | |
out on her first win in women's golf. | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
Women's golf major. The 20-year-old finished second at the ANE in | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
California. One shot behind the winner. I played great. Apart from | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
the front nine it was a safe start. I made a couple of bogeys and then I | :16:15. | :16:24. | |
birdied nine and birdied ten and to finish with a birdie was great and I | :16:25. | :16:33. | |
felt good. No celebrations for Charley or Lewis. West Indies had a | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
champions dance. The players arrived back to their hotel after victory. | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
Their captain loves a dance. Here is another sports star who has | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
been practising! Jumping. Yo! You feel like jumping? | :16:52. | :17:05. | |
Usain Bolt is very happy. We will see if he brings that celebration to | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
Rio with him later in the summer. Thank you, Hugh. | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
This morning, how some of the world's richest people manage | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
to hide their money in tax havens - countries or independent areas | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
where taxes are issued at a low rate. | :17:21. | :17:29. | |
A huge leak of confidential documents reveals how one law firm - | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
based in Panama - has helped clients launder money, | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
The documents show links to 72 current or former heads of state | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
in the data, including dictators accused of looting | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
Those 72 current or former heads of state in the data include | :17:50. | :18:51. | |
the Icelandic Prime Minister who had an undeclared interest linked | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
to his wife's wealth and is now facing calls for his resignation. | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
Here he is walking out of an interview when he was asked | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
He says he hasn't broken any rules and his wife didn't benefit | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
The company, Mossack Fonseca, says it has operated beyond reproach | :19:09. | :19:18. | |
for 40 years and has never been charged with criminal wrong-doing. | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
Whilst this may sound like big money swirling around amongst the rich, | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
what it actually means is that if the world's most powerful people | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
are paying less tax and that means there is less money | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
going into the government to pay for things like schools, | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
hospitals, road building programmes etc. | :19:38. | :19:38. | |
It's an issue that David Cameron has spoken about in the past, | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
promising to "sweep away" tax secrecy. | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
This was him talking about it a G8 summit in northern Ireland. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
The Lough Erne Declaration that we have signed sets out some | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
simple and clear commitments. | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
Tax authorities across the world should automatically share | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
information so those who want to | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
Companies should know who really owns them, | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
and tax collectors and law enforcers should be able to obtain this | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
information easily, for example through central registries, | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
so people can't avoid taxes by using complicated | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
David Cameron is planning a summit of world leaders next month | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
which will focus on the conduct of tax havens. | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
In total 11 million documents held by the Panama-based law firm have | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
been passed to 107 media organisations including the BBC. | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
That's why you'll see some stories relating to the documents | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
being reported on the BBC and other news organisations | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
So how do people use off-shore tax havens like Panama to evade paying | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
Robert Palmer is the Head of Global Witness which investigates | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
anonymous companies and banks that do business with the corrupt. | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
Paula Tallon is Managing Partner of Gabelle LLP and a tax expert. | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
She has spent almost 20 years advising on tax. | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
Nicholas Shaxson is author of Treasure Islands: Tax Havens | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
Welcome all of you. Robert first of all, your reaction to this story? I | :21:03. | :21:15. | |
mean, as someone who looked at money laundering and corruption for over | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
seven years, it is not hugely surprising, but I think what is | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
interesting is it lifts the veil on the detail. You see the mechanisms | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
about how people are able to keep their money off-shore. Sometimes it | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
is about tax. Sometimes it is about corruption. Sometimes it is about | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
sanctions busting, if you want to hide your money and your assets, you | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
want to get yourself an anonymously owned company and stash your money | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
off-shore and you're sorted. And that's legit? So we are going to | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
have to wait and see for more information to come out about the | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
cases, but the journalists the at BBC are certainly claiming that some | :21:59. | :22:00. | |
of the activity that was going on was illegal. What is an off-shore | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
tax haven and what could the British Government do about some of its | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
overseas territories which are tax havens? So an off-shore tax haven is | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
a place where you can put your money and you can get banking secrecy, you | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
can create a shell company where it is almost impossible to identify who | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
owns and controls it. One of the interesting things for me, while | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
this company is a Panama-based company, the favoured place for them | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
to get their shell companies was the British Virgin islands. We have a | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
corruption summit being hosted by the Prime Minister Menzies Campbells | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
month. It is a real opportunity for him to stand up and continue the | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
leadership that he showed at the G8 and say we are going to open up the | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
tax havens. It would be as simple as that for the British Government to | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
do that? None this is simple... If it is a British overseas territory? | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
There is a complicated relationship between the UK and the overseas | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
territories, but ultimately they are British territories and the UK Prime | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
Minister has significant influence over what goes on there. Paula, how | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
do you, what do you take from this? Tax in the news again. Now, we have | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
been focussed for the last three to five years on tax avoidance schemes. | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
Tax a I voidance as opposed to tax evasion. Parts this could be tax | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
evasion. Which is illegal? It is. If we have UK resident and domiciled | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
people, so people their roots are in the UK operating through the | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
structures, there is tax that should be paid in the UK and isn't being | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
paid. Now that causes a number of problems. We have had as lot of | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
disclosure facilities. There have been chances for people to come | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
forward and declare their ownership of certain off-shore assets. Now a | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
lot of those facilities have closed and the favourable terms because it | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
is expected that most people would have come forward now, I think over | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
the next few days we are going to see some UK people caught up in this | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
and probably perhaps behind some property structures and despite | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
everything that the Government has been doing with, we have diverted | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
profits tax to catch these establishments in the UK, we have | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
got all the profit shifting, all of that looking at tax in the UK | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
profits and we have circumstances where individuals and companies are | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
evading UK tax. Nicholas, I know you want to come in here. Why do very, | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
very, very, very, wealthy people hide their money so they can avoid | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
paying tax? This would still be very wealthy if they paid tax? We need to | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
understand what a tax haven is. I would take a broad view. These are | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
places where people who use tax havens, they are looking for escape. | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
Escape from the rules of society. That might be tax. It is this is not | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
just about tax. It might be secrecy. You might be wanting to launder | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
money or escape your creditors, you set-up a ponsy scheme. The off-shore | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
world is designed to provide escape routes. It is very much the world's | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
wealthiest and most powerful people who want to escape the rule of law | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
and... Sorry, just on that point, you say they want to escape the rule | :25:23. | :25:30. | |
of law, but you can use tax havens legitimately? You have to be careful | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
about the word legitimate. Lawfully? Yes. Lawfully. I think there are | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
many ways that tax havens are used such as corporate tax avoidance | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
which may not be strictly illegal, but they are abusive of society. | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
They are extracting wealth from one section of society and giving it, | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
handing it effectively another section, jnly a wealthier section. | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
You have an erosion of democracy as you have one set of rules for the | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
rich and powerful and another set of rules for everybody else and I think | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
this data leak just shows that so very clearly. I'd like to add one | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
more point add to what Robert said about the UK. There is a lot of talk | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
about how much influence or power does the UK have over its own tax | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
havens. I think ultimately it is a question of political will. The UK | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
does ultimately have the power to tell these places to strike down its | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
secrecy laws, but for reasons of political will they have decided not | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
to and for reasons of precedent, but they can do it. They impose a direct | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
rule on the Turks and Caicos islands a few years ago and they can, all | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
the laws that are set-up, they come to the Privy Council in London for | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
to be approved and Britain can, Britain can stop this stuff for its | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
own territories. Paula, tell what yous is happening in the summer in | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
term of the register that's coming in and what difference it will make? | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
We have got the persons of significant control register. If you | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
have somebody who controls 25% or move of a limited liability | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
partnership or a limited company or indeed someone that has the power to | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
remove the whole board of directors or the majority of the board of | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
directors, then their details will have to be registered at companies | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
house. The real owners will be registered. That is what is supposed | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
to happen. From what I have been reading on the leaked documents, | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
individuals have been able to buy identities that they can use on the | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
registers and if that is what is happening, then that makes some of | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
the information meaningless if you are trying to get behind the | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
structures. Robert, in terms of those who want to buy somebody | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
else's identity to make it look like someone else runs, you know, has | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
this company in a tax haven. Would there always be a sinister motive or | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
not? Going back to the point that Nick made about something being | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
illegal or legitimate. It is legal to pay somebody and say I want you | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
to be a director on my behalf. I don't have a problem with that as | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
well as there is disclosure and transparency. I am disclosing that | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
the person who really controls this company is this other person. What | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
is important about what is happening in the UK, this information will be | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
public. It will be available to the public. So all of us, law | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
enforcement from around the world will be able to have access to this | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
information and that's what we think should happen with the tax havens. | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
This summit that's happening next month is an opportunity to do that. | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
I think sometimes this stuff can end up being seeming very intellectual. | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
Some of us of have been watching the Night Man and I feel what's really | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
important why we should care about this, if rich and powerful companies | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
and individuals aren't paying their taxes, there is less money for | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
schools, hospitals, education, and it is unfair on all of us who are | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
paying our taxes. Nicholas, why should people care? This this goes | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
to the heart of democracy. It goes to the heart, tax havens are regard | :29:20. | :29:29. | |
as an exotic sideshow. As I said, they are ways for generally the | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
wealthier and more powerful members of society to escape rules that they | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
don't like. You have one set of rules for them and another set for | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
everybody else. That is a hugely important matter. There is the tax | :29:40. | :29:44. | |
element. There is also the financial crime element and all of these | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
things are vetted by off-shore secrecy. Another angle to this about | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
tax haven, we need to think separately, what this is about is | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
basically individuals using secrecy to avoid tax of the there is another | :29:59. | :30:05. | |
side of tax havens corporate tax avoidance, the Lux Leaks scandal was | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
another smaller emergence of data and that revealed huge corporations | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
multinational corporations paying small amounts of tax getting away, | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
escaping from their tax obligations. This is all off-shore stuff and I | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
think it is profoundly corrupting of the whole global economic system. | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
Thank you very much all of you. Thank you for coming on the | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
programme. Lots of you getting in touch to ask why we are not naming | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
any of the British people. The BBC along with 107 other media | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
organisations has been wading through 11 million documents and you | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
will hear more details on the story including any British claims over | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
the next few days. Do not worry about that. | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
And you can watch all the details on Panorama: | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
Tax Havens of the Rich and Powerful Exposed tonight | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
let's just bring you news from Gatwick Airport, 20-year-old man | :30:54. | :31:09. | |
arrested there on suspicion of Syria related terrorism offences according | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
to the West Midlands Police. They say a 24-year-old man has been | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
arrested at Gatwick Airport on suspicion of Syria related terrorism | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
offences. That from West Midlands Police in the last few seconds. | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
Before 10am, we'll bring you cab-share. | :31:29. | :31:29. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith shares a black cab with some | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
This morning it's the turn of Labour's candidate Sadiq Khan. | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
Does his Knowledge stand up to the test? | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
You take the tube, I will give you a sequence. Northern line, Central | :31:41. | :31:48. | |
and? Northern line. What is next in the sequence... That is hard! What | :31:49. | :31:56. | |
is London's oldest museum? The history museum? It is the British | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
Museum, but I will let you off. That is in a few minutes. Also, a | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
growing number of professionals are becoming cage fighters and trying | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
out mixed martial arts. We followed a recruitment consultant as he | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
prepares for his first amateur fight. | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked, | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth. | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
They come from one of the world's most secretive companies, | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama. | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
One campaigner against tax havens has told the Victoria Derbyshire | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
programme how tax systems can be exploited. It lifts the veil on the | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
detail, you see the mechanisms about how people are able to keep their | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
money offshore. Sometimes it is about tax, sometimes it is about | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
corruption, sometimes it is about sanctions busting. Basically if you | :33:02. | :33:04. | |
want to hide your money and assets, you want to get yourself an | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
anonymously owned company, stash your money offshore, and you are | :33:09. | :33:09. | |
sorted. The first migrants to be returned | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
the Turkish port of Dikili. It's thought the vast majority | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
were from Pakistan and had not As part of the deal, | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
more than a dozen Syrian migrants have been flown to | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
Germany this morning. Officers from West Midlands Counter | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
Terrorism Unit have arrested a man at Gatwick airport on suspicion | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
of Syria-related terrorism offences. The man, who lives in Birmingham | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
and is 24-years-old, was detained before | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
boarding a flight. A 20-year-old woman has also been | :33:39. | :33:39. | |
arrested at an address in West London for alleged | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
Syria-related offences. The two are being held at a police | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
station in the West Midlands. Union leaders meet in London today | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
to plan the next steps of their campaign to save | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
the British steel industry. Tata Steel announced | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
last week it was selling There'll also be a meeting this | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
morning of a Wales Tata taskforce, including representatives | :33:59. | :34:06. | |
of the Welsh Assembly, This afternoon an emergency session | :34:07. | :34:07. | |
of the Welsh Assembly will discuss the crisis hanging over | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
the Port Talbot plant. There are calls for doping in sport | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
to be made a criminal offence. Lord Moynihan, the former chairman | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
of the British Olympic Association, has started a petition calling | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
for a change in the law. It follows allegations | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
in the Sunday Times of performance enhancing drugs being taken | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
in a range of sports, including boxing, | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
football and cricket. A murder investigation has been | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
launched after a 17-year-old boy was stabbed to death | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
in south-east London. Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
have been arrested. Officers were called | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
to reports of an altercation between youths | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
in Lewisham, at around Dame Judi Dench has became the most | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
successful actor in the history The veteran actress picked up | :34:57. | :35:04. | |
a record eighth gong for best supporting actress for her role | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
in The Winter's Tale. No-one has won as many Oliviers | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
for acting since the awards began I had a bet with my grandson, | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
which I've now lost. And I'm never going to be | :35:14. | :35:21. | |
allowed to forget it. That's a summary of | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
the latest BBC News - Hugh has the latest sport. | :35:25. | :35:39. | |
We will start at cricket, captain Eoin Morgan says he will give Ben | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
Stokes time to hurt after the final over which saw the West Indies that | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
a thrilling win in the world 20 might -- Twenty20 final, but he said | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
Stokes will come back stronger from the experience. | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
Leicester are seven points clear at the top of the Premier League with | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
six games remaining, they beat Southampton with a goal from their | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
captain Wes Morgan. Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
United were lucky to beat Everton 1-4 you read thanks to Anthony | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
Martial's winner. They are one point behind fourth placed Manchester | :36:12. | :36:12. | |
City. Lewis Hamilton could only manage | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
third after starting from pole fishing. Nico Rosberg made it two | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
wins from two this season at the Bahrain Grand Prix. | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
I will be back with another round up just after 10am. | :36:25. | :36:37. | |
In a month's time, Boris Johnson's eight-year term as Mayor of London | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
ends - leaving one of the most powerful jobs in the country up | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
The next Mayor will preside over a city that's home to 8.6 million | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
people - that's roughly the populations of Scotland | :36:48. | :36:49. | |
They'll have the power to decide policy in areas such as housing, | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
transport and policing, and will control a budget | :36:54. | :36:55. | |
There have only been two Mayors since the job was created in 2000 - | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone - both big, colourful characters | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
starting with the two front-runners - Conservative candidate | :37:03. | :37:13. | |
Zac Goldsmith and Labour candidate Sadiq Khan. | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
They couldn't have more different backgrounds. | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
One is the son of a billionaire businessman and politician who grew | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
up in the public eye, and the other is the son of a bus | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
driver who grew up on a council estate | :37:26. | :37:27. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith has shared a cab with them both. | :37:28. | :37:35. | |
Can I get to the office of the fantastic Tooting MP? | :37:36. | :37:46. | |
It's on Balham High Road, near Tooting Bec tube station. | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
What are you, are you a Uber man, or a black-cab man? | :37:50. | :38:11. | |
I am both an Uber and a black-cab man. | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
Do you go along with some of the ideas to curb Uber, | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
for example, forcing them to wait five minutes? | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
Specifically with Uber, there is a view among black cabbies | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
Do you think if you were mayor you would look to do something | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
I am not sure if waiting for five minutes works. | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
The important thing is to make sure we level the playing field. | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
For example, think about what you have got to go | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
through as a black-cab driver before you can drive a black cab. | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
The criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do, | :38:51. | :38:59. | |
and rather than levelling down your high standards, | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
let's level up the private hire vehicles' standards. | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
How does that work? Do they have English tests? | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
We will need to bring up their standards. | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
Basic English should be a requirement if you | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
And without that they would not be able to operate as a cab driver? | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
In my view, if you are in any public-facing job you should be able | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
I thought while we were waiting at the light, why don't I give | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
you some quickfire questions so we can get a feel | :39:26. | :39:27. | |
Do you believe in God? Yes. | :39:28. | :39:40. | |
As a feminist, as a dad, I think it is not great to have | :39:41. | :39:50. | |
women's naked bodies in newspapers read by millions. | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
Would you take in, or think about taking in, a Syrian refugee? | :39:54. | :40:04. | |
I'd speak to my wife about it first, but assuming the family agree to it, | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
At the moment it is difficult, I have got two teenage | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
Just passing that cyclist, do you think cyclists should have | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
But we have got to make it safer and easier for people to cycle. | :40:18. | :40:27. | |
I saw on your website one of the things you want is to be | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
But I don't think of you as a pro-business politician. | :40:31. | :40:41. | |
I was looking at your record and when it comes to things | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
like corporation tax cuts for business, you have always | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
I am the only candidate with the experience of helping run | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
I will go with a Conservative Chancellor and Prime Minister | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
on trade missions around the world to get business for London. | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
You would be happy to go on visits to India, wherever, | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
I would also be campaigning, hopefully as the Mayor of London, | :41:02. | :41:12. | |
between May 5th, May 6th, after the election | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
and June 23rd, with the Conservative Prime | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
Minister and Chancellor, Conservative Business Secretary, | :41:19. | :41:19. | |
for us to stay in the European Union. | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
What do you say to those in your party who would say | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
you are giving legitimacy to your party's opponents? | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
You know, the future of the city I love, the future of our country, | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
is far more important than tribal party politics. | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
How does that go down in your party, particularly with the likes | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
of Jeremy Corbyn, that sort of, "I'm going to work with George Osborne, | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
I am going to work with David Cameron" approach? | :41:47. | :41:48. | |
When it comes to being a mayor of a great city, you've got | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
to recognise your role is to be a champion for that city. | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
I am not Jeremy Corbyn's representative to London. | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
Nominated him, I'm sorry, to get him in the contest. | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
It is quite important for us to recognise the Labour Party has | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
lost not one but two general elections in a row badly. | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
Do you seriously think Jeremy Corbyn is going to put you in | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
To deprive the Labour movement of a chance to vote | :42:19. | :42:25. | |
for all the candidates they could have a chance to do | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
You surely want Labour to be in the best position | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
My question is do you think Jeremy Corbyn puts you in a better | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
That is why it is wrong to exclude somebody from the ballot paper. | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
The Labour movement voted for Jeremy Corbyn. | :42:44. | :42:45. | |
I may not have voted for Jeremy Corbyn... | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
It sounds like you are a supporter of his. | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
Of course I support the Labour Party. | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
You are still an MP, Sadiq, you know how many MPs view | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, and they are terrified that however popular | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
he may be in the Labour Party, many voters are never going to vote | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
for him and therefore your party is potentially heading for an even | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
worse encounter with the electorate at the next election. | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
And those are some of the challenges that Jeremy Corbyn as the leader | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
I'm not the leader of the Labour Party, | :43:15. | :43:16. | |
Let's talk a little about immigration, because a huge | :43:17. | :43:28. | |
issue, London a huge magnet for immigrants. | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
Do you think there are too many immigrants? | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
I think it is important to explain that question with more detail | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
We have to understand for the last thousand years we have benefited | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
as a city from trade, from ideas and from people. | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
You have got various forms of immigration. | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
You have those who come on a work permit, those who are students, | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
those who are asylum seekers and refugees. | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
Those who come and don't have a good reason. | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
What is really important is we distinguish the different | :44:09. | :44:10. | |
If you think London is perhaps the most diverse cosmopolitan city | :44:11. | :44:21. | |
Because the level, the numbers, puts a massive strain on resources. | :44:22. | :44:31. | |
At the end of the day, London is already a diverse city | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
and people are by and large OK with that. | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
Numbers is a question, and my question to you is | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
do you think the numbers at the moment are too high? | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
It is about making sure we plan for the numbers. | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
Let me give you an example - one of my plans is to set up a Homes | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
I would be in charge of making sure there are genuinely affordable homes | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
At least half would be genuinely affordable where you pay social | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
rent, a London living rent of one third of average earnings, | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
but also homes you can afford to buy under shared ownership. | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
What do you say to those who view you as someone who is a bit | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
I am thinking, obviously, of Heathrow, where you used to be | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
I am not going to apologise for changing my mind | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
I am not some sort of mad ideologue who keeps their head in the sand | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
It makes you sick and it's illegal and in those circumstances, | :45:34. | :45:41. | |
But it is not just on Heathrow, is it? | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
You used to be a strong supporter of that. | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
There used to be a saying the 1980s, members of the Labour Party had, | :45:52. | :46:03. | |
and the saying was, no compromise with the electorate. | :46:04. | :46:05. | |
And we lost election after election after election. | :46:06. | :46:07. | |
We put a manifesto to the British public last May. | :46:08. | :46:09. | |
We can put it back to the British public either this May or in 2020, | :46:10. | :46:20. | |
but don't be surprised if we get hammered. | :46:21. | :46:22. | |
I'm a democrat, I'm a pluralist, I want to win elections. | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
I've got to recognise that the offer we had last May was not good enough. | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
That is why I am asking you about Jeremy Corbyn. | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
Do you seriously think he will put you in a better position? | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
Norman, I tell you what, I am working my socks off | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
between now and May 5th to win the London election | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
because only by winning elections can we change | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
Let me give you some quick fires on London... | :46:42. | :46:50. | |
This is Wandsworth Common, by the way. | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
When I was training for the marathon, my route | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
includes three commons - Tooting Common, Clapham Common | :46:56. | :46:57. | |
And this, when you run back here, on the pavement, you can feel | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
So I changed my route to avoid the main road - | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
this is the way back to my home - because of the air quality | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
Let me ask you some London questions. | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
The Tube, you obviously take the Tube, so I'm going to give | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
You did the Northern line, Central line? | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
Tottenham Court Road, Leicester Square, Charing Cross. | :47:23. | :47:35. | |
The time between Embankment and Charing Cross is 30 | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
OK, here's another one. Who pays at Selhurst Park? | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
Let me ask you an East Enders question. | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
I was going to ask you who was the first barmaid in the Queen Vic. | :47:54. | :48:04. | |
I used to have a paper round and I used to deliver | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
True story. When I had a paper round. | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
What is London's oldest museum? | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
My office used to be in Museum Street in Bloomsbury, | :48:21. | :48:31. | |
And so I spent many times in that museum when I was growing up. | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
If you get the Mayor thing, what do you want to be your big legacy? | :48:36. | :48:43. | |
If there was one thing, if you became mayor, | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
you would want to stand out as your achievement, | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
To start addressing the housing crisis so Londoners can afford | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
Look London is the greatest city in the world. | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
Because Londoners are being priced out of London because of | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
the cost of housing, and the cost of commuting. | :49:00. | :49:01. | |
I think I've got myself a second job here. | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
Some would argue that is an improvement on your first one! | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
There we go, Sadiq, very nice to have in the back of the cab. | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
Tomorrow we'll hear from the Conservative candidate | :49:16. | :49:39. | |
In total 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
of London in the election on 5th May. | :49:45. | :49:45. | |
You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site. | :49:46. | :49:53. | |
The first boat carrying migrants deported from Greece has arrived | :49:54. | :49:55. | |
Over 130 people, mostly from Pakistan, have been returned | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
under a deal between the EU and Turkey which hopes to ease mass | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
Our correspondent Mark Lowen has been at the port in Dikili in Turkey | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
There they are, the first migrants who have disembarked from the boat | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
that has come over from Lesbos this morning. | :50:18. | :50:19. | |
They've been joined by Turkish officials from the Red Crescent | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
and from the local authorities here, checking their welfare and then | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
registering them in a little tent that has been set up | :50:30. | :50:32. | |
Now along with the second boat that is following closely behind, | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
we understand about 130 people are on board, mainly Pakistanis. | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
We understand they were taken to deportation centres elsewhere | :50:40. | :50:41. | |
Turkey has been signing readmission agreements with about 14 countries | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
in the last couple of weeks since the deal was struck | :50:47. | :50:48. | |
with the European Union, in order for them to be deported | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
The Syrians who will be sent back in the coming weeks who were not | :50:52. | :50:58. | |
given asylum in Greece will be taken to refugee camps, | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
mainly on Turkey's southern border with Syria. | :51:01. | :51:02. | |
There, they will eventually be exchanged with Syrians who will be | :51:03. | :51:04. | |
directly resettled in the European Union as part | :51:05. | :51:06. | |
There are still major doubts over the viability of this deal, | :51:07. | :51:14. | |
whether it will hold and whether it will discourage people | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
from still trying to make that journey across to Greece. | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
On average, since the deal was struck with the European Union, | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
about 400 migrants a day have still been trying to arrive | :51:24. | :51:25. | |
So still, people are not dissuaded from trying. | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
We will have to see whether or not when the news gets out | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
that the deportation process is ongoing, whether that stops | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
people from trying to make that perilous journey. | :51:37. | :51:45. | |
We can now speak to our correspondent Jenny Hill | :51:46. | :51:47. | |
Hello. Around 16 refugees, we're told, mainly families, touched down | :51:48. | :52:00. | |
in Hannover a couple of hours ago, another small group is expected to | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
follow later. A spokesperson for the immigration authorities described | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
them as exhausted, but excited. They only learned a week ago that they | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
would be re-housed in Germany. They will be living at a camp and this | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
has been described as the first step, Germany is expecting to take | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
in around 1600 refugees initially as part of this deal, but that number | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
is expected to go up to around 15,000 at a later date. | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
is expected to go up to around think, widely seen as a symbolic | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
gesture. Don't forget, of course, that Germany, Angela Merkel was very | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
much the force behind this deal. Angela Merkel is very much relying | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
on it working out because she herself has promised Germans that | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
she will reduce the number of people seeking asylum in Germany. | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
Thank you very much, Jenny. Jenny Hill in Berlin. | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
Leicester City moved a significant step closer to completing one | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
of the most remarkable feats in British football history | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
by beating Southampton 1-0 yesterday. | :53:02. | :53:02. | |
The Foxes are now seven points clear at the top of the Premier league | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
To put that into context, this time last year they were battling | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
relegation and, at the start of the season, the odds on them | :53:10. | :53:20. | |
the same odds that you'd get for proof that Elvis Presley | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
is alive or for the yeti or Loch Ness monster existing. | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
On this programme two life-long Leicester fans have been keeping | :53:28. | :53:29. | |
video diaries for us as the season comes to a climatic end. | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
Here are our two fans Gary L Johnson and yes, | :53:33. | :53:34. | |
he is named after Gary Lineker and Sandra Fixter. | :53:35. | :53:48. | |
It's 2nd April and you may be surprised to see me here, | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
because Leicester City are not playing Southampton until tomorrow. | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
However, the run-up to the game starts today. | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
We're all settled in with pizzas, ready to watch Liverpool hopefully | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
beat Tottenham to keep the gap where it should be. | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
Five points between us, before we play. | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
But for 90 minutes, we want to be Liverpool supporters. | :54:14. | :54:24. | |
We know Tottenham are playing today so we'll keep an eye on the score. | :54:25. | :54:33. | |
We've got the television on all ready to see what they are up to. | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
We could really do with Liverpool helping us today. | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
And beating Tottenham in their score. | :54:39. | :54:40. | |
50 minutes into the match and Liverpool have scored, | :54:41. | :55:07. | |
Right, well Spurs have drawn 1-1 with Liverpool, | :55:08. | :55:18. | |
so they are four points behind us now and it is down | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
It doesn't get any easier being a Leicester City supporter. | :55:22. | :55:34. | |
I can't believe how much the nerves are kicking in. | :55:35. | :55:44. | |
We're going to win, we're going to win. | :55:45. | :55:46. | |
I don't know whether I will be reporting after the match, | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
because hopefully I will not have a voice. | :55:50. | :55:51. | |
But let's hope, this season, we will be like two seasons ago | :55:52. | :55:53. | |
I'm now walking to the stadium for our next fixture. | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
It's getting a little bit exciting though. | :55:58. | :55:59. | |
I don't know what to call for this one. | :56:00. | :56:01. | |
They were up there last season themselves. | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
Here we are, the King Power Stadium. Walking up to the ground. | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
So everyone in the ground has got one of those doughnuts. | :56:13. | :56:25. | |
Because it is the chairman's birthday. | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
What other club gives away birthday presents to everyone in the ground | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
We're in the ground with a free doughnut and a free beer courtesy | :56:32. | :56:40. | |
Let's hope it bodes well for a good result. | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
So we've got the drink, we've got the programme. | :56:45. | :56:46. | |
We're about to go in the stadium now, so, come on Leicester, | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
I feel it is going to be a good match. | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
Well, it's half-time, we are winning 1-0. | :56:55. | :57:14. | |
But Southampton are an excellent side. | :57:15. | :57:16. | |
They are getting us on the counter, but too nervous to carry on. | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
We've won 1-0, again, and it's getting terrible. | :57:20. | :57:32. | |
I'm going to have to carry a portable ECG, | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
It's going to happen. We're going to win the league. | :57:36. | :57:45. | |
I can't believe it. It means so much to all of us. | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
And all the fans. What a year to be a Blue. | :57:49. | :57:50. | |
So that is it, we have won match at the King Power Stadium. | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
There so much faith behind the supporters, the fans, | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
the players, and what a better way to top off our chairman's birthday | :57:58. | :58:05. | |
A happy birthday and we are onto the next one. | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
Back in the car. And I am speechless, absolutely. | :58:10. | :58:17. | |
What about you, folks? What about you? | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
# We are going to win the league. # We are going to win the league. | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
It's the final of The Voice tonight. She won't with it! | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
Oh, what a game. These 1-0s are doing my head in. | :58:31. | :58:43. | |
But it's three points and seven points clear. | :58:44. | :58:46. | |
And we'll continue to follow Leicester's progress over the course | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
You can watch all of Gary and Sandra's diaries | :58:53. | :59:00. | |
on our programme page: bbc.co.uk/victoria | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
Still to come: They may be suited and booted for work, | :59:06. | :59:07. | |
but a growing number of professionals are becoming cage | :59:08. | :59:09. | |
fighters and trying out mixed martial arts. | :59:10. | :59:12. | |
We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares | :59:13. | :59:14. | |
If you are a fan and you compete, we would be really keen to talk to you | :59:15. | :59:30. | |
on the programme this morning. Let's get the latest | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
weather update with Nick. This week's weather is not the best | :59:34. | :59:44. | |
that spring has to offer. We are dodging the downpours. We have got | :59:45. | :59:47. | |
more rain spreading northwards across Scotland. It is affecting | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
parts of Northern Ireland especially the further east you are and these | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
are heavy showers developing across England and Wales. Some will be | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
thundery. There is a risk of hail and difficult driving conditions, | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
but there are drier, brighter moments in between the showers. If | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
you get a bit of sunshine later, parts of East Anglia and the South | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
East, with fewer showers, you could get to 15 Celsius somewhere. We are | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
left are rain across parts of Scotland and Northern England and | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
maybe fringing North Wales. Some clear spells developing across | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
Northern Ireland where temperatures will dip here. So fairly chilly here | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
as we start the day tomorrow. Elsewhere, around six to eight | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
Celsius. We keep a lot of cloud tomorrow across Scotland and | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
Northern England, patchy outbreaks of rain. For Northern Ireland, the | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
rest of England and Wales, we will get some sunny spells and that will | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
lead to a fairly pleasant afternoon, but it turns colder still as the | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
week goes on. That's your forecast. The top stories this morning, how | :00:42. | :00:57. | |
some of the world's richest people hide their money in offshore | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
accounts, we bring you details of the biggest ever leaked of | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
confidential documents showing how tax havens are exploited. Also, | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
there are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence. We | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
will speak to the former chair of the British Olympic Association. And | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
as a battle to save the British Steel industry continues, union | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
leaders are meeting to plan the next steps of their campaign. We will | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
speak to them live. And when the rush hour is over, it is super-soft | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
for the white-collar workers taking up cage fighting. We will follow a | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
recruitment adviser as he prepares for his first clash. These guys | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
learning to fight for the first time, it is scary, you are about to | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
go into war in front of 10,000 people. I would be scared as well. | :01:42. | :01:51. | |
Good morning, time for the latest BBC News with Ben. | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked, | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth. | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
They come from one of the world's most secretive companies, | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama. | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
One campaigner against tax havens has told the Victoria Derbyshire | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
programme how tax systems can be exploited. | :02:17. | :02:17. | |
It lifts the veil on the detail, you see the mechanisms about how | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
people are able to keep their money offshore. | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
Sometimes it is about tax, sometimes it is about | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
corruption, sometimes it is about sanctions busting. | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
Basically if you want to hide your money and assets, | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
you want to get yourself an anonymously-owned company, | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
stash your money offshore, and you are | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
In the last hour, a second boat of migrants who are being returned | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in the Turkish port | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had not | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
As part of the deal, more than a dozen Syrian migrants | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
have been flown to Germany this morning. | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
was stabbed to death in south-east London. | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, have been arrested. | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
Officers were called to reports of an altercation | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
between youths in Lewisham, at around | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
Union leaders meet in London today to plan the next steps | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
of their campaign to save the British steel industry. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
Tata Steel announced last week it was selling | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
There'll also be a meeting this morning of a Wales Tata taskforce, | :03:24. | :03:33. | |
including representatives of the Welsh Assembly, | :03:34. | :03:34. | |
This afternoon an emergency session of the Welsh Assembly will discuss | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
the crisis hanging over the Port Talbot plant. | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
Labour's candidate for London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, has told this programme | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
that taxi drivers in the capital must be able to speak decent | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
He said Uber drivers should have to go through the same checks | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
that apply to black cabs. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
He was giving an interview in a cab to the BBC's | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
assistant political editor, Norman Smith. | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
The vehicles are so expensive, they're all disabled-friendly, | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
the criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do - | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
rather than levelling down your high standards, | :04:12. | :04:12. | |
let's level up the private hire vehicle standards. | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
Speaking English, doing security checks. | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
How does that work, do they have English tests? | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
Yeah, we will need to bring up the standards. | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
Basic English should be a requirement if you are a public | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
And if they don't get that, they wouldn't be able to operate | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
In my view, if you're in any public facing job, | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
you should have to speak basic English. | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence. | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association, | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
has started a petition calling for a change in the law. | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports, | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
including boxing, football and cricket. | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
Officers from West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit have arrested a man | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
at Gatwick airport on suspicion of Syria-related terrorism offences. | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
The man, who lives in Birmingham and is 24-years-old, | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
was detained before boarding a flight. | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
A 20-year-old woman has also been arrested at an address | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
in West London for alleged Syria-related offences. | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
The two are being held at a police station in the West Midlands. | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
A new subsidised insurance scheme for people living in areas prone | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
to heavy flooding comes into force today. | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
The Government-backed 'Flood Re' initiative will be funded by a levy | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
on insurance companies, that will be passed on to all customers. | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
It's been designed to lower the cost of home insurance for those | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
in the worst-affected areas who currently pay thousands | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
of pounds in premiums and large excess charges. | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
Dame Judi Dench has became the most successful actor in the history | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
The veteran actress picked up a record eighth gong for best | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
supporting actress for her role in The Winter's Tale. | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
No-one has won as many Oliviers for acting since the awards began | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
I had a bet with my grandson, which I've now lost. | :06:01. | :06:09. | |
And I'm never going to be allowed to forget it. | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
Here are some messages from you about Leicester City and our fans | :06:19. | :06:32. | |
doing those messages for us. On Facebook, I hope Leicester win | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
the league, it will give smaller clubs hope and is a fairy tale. A | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
tweet, Leicester City's rides have been the most formidable turnaround | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
in football history. This from Dave on Twitter, I have to say, the | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
Leicester City fans on your programme are a brilliant example of | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
how to support your team. Do get in touch with us | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE, | :06:53. | :07:02. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Later in the programme we will hear | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
from a man who is a recruitment consultant by day and mixed martial | :07:10. | :07:17. | |
arts combated by night. It has grown in popularity, if you do it, get in | :07:18. | :07:18. | |
touch and tell us why. England's men were beaten in | :07:19. | :07:32. | |
astonishing fashion at the death in the World T20 final yesterday, joy | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
for the West Indies as they took the men's and women's titles. | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
Disappointment for England's men, 54 from Joe Root setting a respectable | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
target of 156 with the bat. Excellent fielding left the West | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Indies needing 19 from the final over. Carlos Brathwaite Kit four | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
straight sixes to snatch a victories from the jaws of defeat for the West | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
Indies, leaving Ben Stokes distraught. The victors jubilant | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
after a tournament they very nearly boycotted. | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
Jubilation for Leicester City as well, as you have been talking | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
about. In the space of one year they have gone from seven points from | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
Premier League safety and facing relegation, to seven points clear at | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
the top of the table. They beat Southampton 1-4 thanks to Wes | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
Morgan's header, and he was praised by Claudio Ranieri who says he | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
believes they can continue their magical season after four straight | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
1-40 victories. Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
United were lucky to beat Everton 1-4 you read thanks to Anthony | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
Martial's winner. United far from their best but they are now one | :08:36. | :08:50. | |
point behind fourth placed Manchester City in the race for a | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
spot in the Champions League. Lewis Hamilton could have a battle | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
on his hands to hold onto his Formula 1 crown this season after | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
his Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg made it two wins from two this | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
season, cruising to victory at the Bahrain Grand Prix. A slow start | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
from Hamilton meant another boy did pole position, a collision on the | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
first laptop into seven. He recovered to third behind Rosberg | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
and Kimi Raikkonen. England's Charley Hull just missed | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
out on her first win in a golf major. The 20-year-old from | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
Kettering finished second in the ANA inspiration in California, one shot | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
behind the winner Lydia Ko. I played great, apart from the front nine it | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
was a bit of a slow start, a couple of bogeys, two overthrew eight, then | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
I birdied nine, ten, 11, gone on through a role through there and I | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
felt good. It seems there is a new celebration | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
doing the rounds thanks to the West Indies and their players. They are | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
calling it the champions' dance, a new way to rub everyone's faces in | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
it when you are the best! Dwayne Bravo and the captain Allah arriving | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
back at their hotel after victory in Kolkata. Clearly it is catching -- | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
and their captain there. Usain the champion! Chris, the | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
champion! Usain Bolt has a good thing going on | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
he should stick to the celebration he has already got! | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
I will be back for the headlines at around half past, see you then. | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
An independent inquiry into allegations of doping | :10:22. | :10:31. | |
by British sports stars, including Premier League | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
footballers, is due to begin after a London-based | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
doctor claimed to have prescribed large numbers of performance | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
Dr Mark Bonar, who was secretly recorded by the Sunday Times, | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
The inquiry will examine why the UK Anti Doping agency took no action | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
when it was made aware of Dr Bonar's activities in 2014. | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
Here's an extract of the Sunday Times secret recording: | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
Obviously, some of these treatments I use are banned | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
on the professional, you know, circuit. | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
Having said that, I've worked with lots of | :11:00. | :11:08. | |
professional athletes, who do use these treatments. | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
The truth of the matter is, drugs are in sport. | :11:12. | :11:20. | |
Now, what I do is, I prescribe responsibly. | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
And I try to keep my patients the optimum | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
So if someone came into me and said, why are you giving | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
I can say, look, his testosterone level is 15. | :11:37. | :11:44. | |
He has symptoms of testosterone deficiency syndrome. | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
His levels were sub-optimal, I just topped him up. | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
But that's not the real reason, the real | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
Yeah, but it's how you sell it. | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
Culture Secretary John Whittingdale has tweeted that he's meeting UK | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
Anti-Doping today to find out why no action was taken, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
adding that he's deeply concerned by the Sunday Times' revelvations. | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
We can speak now to the former Chelsea, Everton and Scotland | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
footballer Pat Nevin, Professor Mike McNamee, | :12:24. | :12:24. | |
professor of sports ethics at Swansea University, | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
who's conducted research for the UK Anti-Doping Agency | :12:31. | :12:31. | |
and Lord Colin Moynihan, former chairman of the British | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
Olympic Association - he's started a petition to make | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
Why should it become analysed? Two reasons, taking a cocktail of drugs | :12:37. | :12:44. | |
is cheating the clean athlete out of selection or livelihood, and there | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
is nothing worse in sport, sport should be clean, and if you | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
knowingly take a cocktail of drugs, you will never hear about the clean | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
athlete who has trained month in, month out... But there are already | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
sanctions for athletes who cheat and are caught? There are one, two, | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
three or four year sentences at most. The reality is even the world | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
anti-doping agency has said, is that a sufficient deterrent? Countries | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
around the world, Germany, Austria, Italy, France, New Zealand, has | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
said, no, it is not a sufficient deterrent, and when you see the | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
level of doping in sport, worldwide, tragically, you come to the | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
conclusion that we have to realise this is broad, many of these | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
industries are multibillion-dollar industries and if you defraud | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
somebody you should face criminal sanctions, and that is why we have | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
launched a petition today to introduce criminalisation of doping | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
in sport, specific legislation to that effect. And that would include | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
the athlete, the sports person who takes the performance enhancing | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
drugs? Would it include their entourage, doctors, physios? All | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
those involved in the trafficking of the drugs and giving the drugs to | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
the athlete, colluding with the athlete in taking those drugs to | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
cheat fellow athlete out of selection. It includes all of those, | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
so not just the athletes but what we need to do is to crack those who | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
traffic in drugs, stop them and make sure they are held accountable to | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
law, and around the world governments are now introducing | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
this, it is sad it has take on us so long to do it, but I believe it is | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
essential. Pat Nevin, what about criminalising not only the sports | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
person but those around them? First of all I'm very angry about it as | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
well, just like Lord Moynihan. Furious that drugs are used in sport | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
and that clean athlete are cheated. I wouldn't go so far as to | :14:39. | :14:41. | |
criminalise people who are doing it. Why not? If you let the finish! As | :14:42. | :14:51. | |
far as I would go, five-year bans, ten new bands, fair enough, but | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
going further than that you have to be careful because there are people | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
taking drugs sometimes mistakenly, sometimes through the use or | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
stupidity and to criminalise and put people in jail for that sort of | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
thing is pushing it a bit, it gets into a messy area. I am not in | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
anyway backing them, not in any way back in the position of what they | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
do. Stronger, harsher treatments, and also better work with the | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
anti-doping agencies, if it is football through Fifa, through | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
international athletics, as far as I understand, I'm sure Michael talk | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
about this, I think ?6 million of Government money, a drop in the | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
ocean. I think going through the sports we have to make sure that the | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
money is going clean. Sometimes it is an innocent mistake. | :15:36. | :15:45. | |
Sometimes the stupidity of youthfulness, why should they end up | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
with a spell in prison? Well, the law would make clear that only those | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
who knowingly take drugs to cheat fellow athletes out of their career, | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
who are committing fraud would be considered to be going to prison. | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
The law would be tightly drafted. Pat is right. There are a lot of | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
athletes who don't know what growth hormones which would been in the | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
steak they had last night. Those who take drugs over a lengthy of time to | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
defraud a clean athlete should face the law. Pat says and I understand | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
and he makes a good point, let's try and do life bans or long time bans. | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
When I was chairman of the British Olympic Association, we asked the | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
athletes if they agreed. Nearly 100% said yes. We took that forward as a | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
selection policy and the World Anti-Doping Agency took us to court | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
and said that was disproportionate so we lost that Pat. I wished we had | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
got it through. We lost that and we are down to three, maybe four years | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
ban and there were still people out there defrauding and those are | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
defrauding the fellow athletes and destroying their lives, the clean | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
athletes we want to see, those are the only ones that the legislation | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
will focus on. Professor what do you think about the suggestion of | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
criminalising doping? A fine or a prison sentence? We need a little | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
distinction. It is not clear where the source of this story is a rogue | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
doctor saying he assisted 150 athletes to dope or the severity and | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
the effectiveness of the sanctions that are placed on athletes. At the | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
minute with the first part, all we have got is someone who says that | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
they doped 150 athletes. Whether we believe them or not, that's an | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
entirely separate affair. He seemed to have no knowledge of wada | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
governance and structures. This would be a very, very pou wirful | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
deterrent, but the question is two-fold. One is a principle | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
question, is a doping offence so severe, does it so offend public | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
morality that we ought to have a criminal law? The second point is | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
about practise and operationalisation. In anti-doping | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
in the current structures, anti-doping officials don't need to | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
prove intentionality, nor could they, do they don't have the | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
resource to track down to people to come to that burden of liability. At | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
the minute, the apty doping regulations if it is in your body, | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
that's your problem because you have a duty of care to present yourself | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
clean. If this person knowingly and systematicically took drugs we have | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
got to have stronger legal back-ups, I don't know how we would afford it | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
and B operationalise it, I am not sure A, it is justified in principle | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
or B, that we can operationalise it. Pat, I mean, as Mike says, we don't | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
know if this story is true of the Sunday Times says it has no | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
independent evidence that this doctor treated footballers or they | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
mentioned boxing and tennis and so on. But would it surprise you if | :19:02. | :19:09. | |
footballers, the English Premier League were taking | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
performance-enhancing drugs? You would have to be wilfully naive to | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
suggest no footballers would take it. Everything is there, the whole | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
cocktail is there. There is a massive amount of money available. | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
If you look at football particularly, it is much more about | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
fitness than it has ever been before. Tactically, about teams that | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
press and the want to do that for long periods of time. To do that, | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
you have to have physical stamina. To keep on going not just for 90 | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
minutes every three or four days and the incentives are massive. So there | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
is no surprise that there is a possibility and it would be as I say | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
naive to suggest it hasn't happened. There is one other suggestion I | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
would make as well, within the game of football, I have been | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
disappointed for sometime the acceptance of low level cheating. I | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
don't think it is low level, but A, diving, B, throwing yourself to the | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
ground and pretending you have been hit in the face. We have been soft | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
on that and because we have been soft on that, the culture in | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
football has slightly changed. A little bit of cheating is OK here | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
and there. Well, I don't think that's acceptable. We should bring | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
our culture more back to clean in every possible way and that means | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
whether it means drugs or the way you play, your attitude on the | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
field, we must be able to do that and I think the governing | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
authorities should do that. They have let it slip and the culture | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
slips with it. Professor let me ask you what you think of the Culture | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
Secretary ordering an investigation into UK anti-doping because it is | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
funded by taxpayers money as Pat said, a drop in the ocean, ?6 | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
million a year, is the right thing to do? Do we need to find out what | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
they did two years when they were tipped off about this medic? I have | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
done a lot of research around the world in relation to anti-doping and | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
I can say that UK anti-doping as an anti-doping organisation is held in | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
high regard. People would use phrases like a world-class research | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
anti-doping organisation. So for me, it does seem an excessive response. | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
It is clear that they are less well funded than they were before 2012 | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
and if people are more serious about trying to track down cheats, they | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
have to have more resources. I don't think that public moneys is well | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
spent funding such an organisation. But if I might come back to the | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
football example if I may? Yes. No, I have talked to lots of premiership | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
heads of medical services, no premiership medical team is going to | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
be sending their athletes to a doctor such as Dr Bonar, where it | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
may happen in the margins where an agent has power over a player who | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
says you are no on the bench, you have got an injury maybe we need to | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
go and get advice or assistance outside the club's structures. Those | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
areas are more fertile for doping than the sports medicine operations | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
of a premiership team or any other elite sports support system. I don't | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
see physician assisted doping there. Can I cut in for a second? It | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
happened in French football in the past at the top level. It has been | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
caught in the past. So the fact, I agree with you, I think it would be | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
A, I don't think clubs would be that corrupt and I don't think it they | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
would be that stupid either to do it within the clubs and to think that's | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
a problem, I don't think anyone is make that point as suggested through | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
some newspapers. You're right, it is individual players or their advisers | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
doing it, but we have to be aware here because it has happened in the | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
game before, the likelihood isn't it is going to be the Premiership and | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
aim' sure I'm talking to the converted, it is the smaller leagues | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
with the Premier League that have not the resources to check it. There | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
is where the danger starts. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you | :23:01. | :23:08. | |
for coming on the programme. Your views welcome. | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
Dr Mark Bonar, the doctor involved in the alleged doping wrote this | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
on Twitter: "The Sunday Times allegations are false | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
I have never had a relationship with any premier football | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
Still to come: When the rush hour is over, it is suits off | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
for the white-collar workers taking up cage fighting. | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares | :23:29. | :23:29. | |
Dan says, "MMA is a great way to stay fit and competitive outside the | :23:30. | :23:42. | |
office. I have total respect for these guys slash girls." If you are | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
a MMA fighter, a cage fighter, do let me know because I'd really like | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
to talk to you before the end of the programme. | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
Unions are meeting in London today to plan the next steps | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
of their campaign to save the British steel industry. | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
Tata Steel announced last week that it was selling | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith is here. | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
The unions are meeting today and I have got slightly good news for them | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
and slightly not such good news. I have got off the blower to aides to | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
the man who is the frontrunner to possibly be a buyer who runs a | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
company called Liberty House. They own steel plants in Britain and they | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
purchased a couple of small ones which were threatened with closure | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
in Scotland. He is flying into London later today to carry on | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
conversations with Tata and with Government ministers. His people say | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
it is encouraging and positive and they think the Government has been | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
proactive. Here is the down side, it is clear to me he is not looking at | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
buying the whole lot. He is interested in buying some of the | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
rolling mills, he is not that interested as far as I can gather in | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
buying the blast furnace at Port Talbot. He has a very big issue with | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
the pension book. In other words taking overall the pension | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
liabilities of Tata and he is looking for fairly significant | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
Government assistance. On the one hand encouraging, on the other hand | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
there are serious reservations. In terms of what sort of support the | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
Government might be able to offer, we got a sense of that yet frommed | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
Business Secretary when he appeared on the Maar programme. | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
They will want to look at plant, they will look at pensions and they | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
will want to look at power supply. It is clear, I mean... We can talk | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
about all of those. You are not going to get too much out of me on | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
those issues because a lot will be commercially sensitive. These are | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
the kind of things, we have thought of and we have started working on | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
and what I hope you will have the offer document from Tata, over lay | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
on top of that, the help the British Government can provide, and then you | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
have the makings of a successful deal. | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
No one wants to show their hand too openly, Tata or the possible buyer | :26:08. | :26:15. | |
or the Government, but it seems to me what could be the key element in | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
any deal is the pensions issue because just talking to Mr Gupta's | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
people, they say the idea any company is going to take over a | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
pension book which involves not just those currently working for Tata, | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
but previous British Steel employees and paying pensions going into the | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
future and you are talking about a total of 140,000 people, you know, | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
almost no company is going to do that. So the question mark is will | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
the Government be able to take over the pension book in the same way as | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
they did with Royal Mail? You remember when Royal Mail was | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
privatised, they took over the ?10 billion pension pot for that, it is | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
ambiguous as to whether the Government will be able to do that | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
under EU state rules and we will have to ask the European Commission | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
later today to find out whether if the Government buys the pension | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
book, in other words says we will pay the pensions, that flouts EU | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
rules because if it does flout EU rules and the Government isn't able | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
to pick up the pension pot, then the prospects of getting a deal, any | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
deal, I think will look pretty remote. | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
With us is Roy Rickhuss, General secretary of Community | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
who is leading talks this afternoon, Tony Burke, | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
Assistant General Secretary of manufacturing for Unite Union | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
who will also be attending the meeting this afternoon | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
Welcome all of you. Right, Roy first of all, do you think the pension | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
liability aspect of this is crucial in terms of finding a potential | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
buyer? Well, clearly, it is and what the report has just highlighted the | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
Government have recognised that, but there are things that can be done | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
and we look to try and explore those discussions. At the moment we have | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
had no official talks around the situation with the pensions, but it | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
is clearly a significant issue for our members. Our members, you know, | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
they value their pension. It is a significant part of their terms of | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
and conditions and it is part of the reasons they work for Taz ta, but we | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
need to have discussions and we are willing to have the discussions when | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
this becomes more official. Tony, what are you picking up in terms of | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
potential buyers? Well, at what are you picking up in terms of | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
moment in time, if you read the papers, there are a lot of potential | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
purchasers, Liberty, all these things are in the papers. The main | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
issue at the moment is, we want the Prime Minister to become directly | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
involved, to get a grip on this situation... The Business Secretary, | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
what he is doing is not enough? I don't believe it is enough. We are | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
demand the Prime Minister gets a grip of the situation and brings | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
everyone together, the industry and the unions to try to sort this out, | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
not just the current situation in regard to what is happening in Tata, | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
but for the future of the UK steel industry and secondly, we need him | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
to lead discussions in the European Union and stopl blocking the tariffs | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
that the EU are prepared to put on Chinese steel in order we get a | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
level playing field. Richard Fuller, your boss needs to take over this | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
from the Business Secretary because according to these gentlemen, Mr Jaf | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
individual isn't doing a good enough job. Would you agree? Since he | :29:25. | :29:32. | |
became Business Secretary, the Government started to get to grip... | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
Sorry, are you actually saying that with a straight face? In the report | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
we did in the Select Committee, we conceived some of the problems go | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
back ten years. The energy costs zblps what has he done about the | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
energy costs or the business rates? He paid back, compensation has been | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
paid to steel manufacturers for the extra environmental levy that's put | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
on businesses which is a particular problem for steel industry. So the | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
money has gone back. We have rewritten, the Government has | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
rewritten the rule on procurement to provide a push for the future so | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
there is benefit to steel manufacturing. These issues have | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
been there for sometime. The refreshing thing is late though it | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
be, those issues are being confronted. The tax issue is | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
interesting because that's a tax that was put on by our Government. | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
It wasn't a tax levied by any other European Government. So basically, | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
we put a tax on our industry which we had to go to Europe to ask if we | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
could pay it back, a crazy situation, but nevertheless Richard | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
is right, the Government made a start on that. If you look at the | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
asks of the industry and we helped to formulate those asks with the UK | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
Steel and it is fair to say the Government made a start, but I | :30:46. | :30:47. | |
wouldn't put it any stronger than saying they have made a start. There | :30:48. | :30:54. | |
is a lot more to be done and the issue about Chinese dumping needs to | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
be address add and we haven't addressed that and it is frustrating | :30:58. | :31:04. | |
for the workforce when you see Prime Ministers go tick, tick, tick we've | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
done this, and we go, you haven't and clearly, you haven't revolved | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
those matters and those matters are ongoing. Those issues need to be | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
resolved, but Tony is right, the most important issue is we secure | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
those plants, we secure the jobs, and we make sure we have got a f | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
future ture for the steel industry for us to be talk youing about, if | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
we haven't got the jobs the other issues are irrelevant. | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
What is the future for the people involved in the steelworks? | :31:36. | :31:42. | |
Pensioners who worked there in the past, people in the local community? | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
I'm from Bedford, economically we are similar in terms of | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
unemployment, income levels, but we don't have a large employer. We in | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
Bedford would know that if we had that employee at correct, they would | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
want the community, not just locally but across the country, to come | :31:58. | :32:00. | |
together to find solutions. No-one will disagree with that, it is just | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
doing it. There are 40,000 workers in the steel industry in the supply | :32:06. | :32:19. | |
chain who are staring down the barrel of a gun at the moment and | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
our priority is to try to stabilise the situation. Let's make it clear, | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
manufacturing in the UK depends on having a vibrant steel industry, and | :32:27. | :32:28. | |
without that, one of our foundation industries, there will be | :32:29. | :32:30. | |
significant numbers of jobs lost in manufacturing. We are already | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
dealing, the UK's biggest manufacturing union, we already | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
dealing with companies who are indicating they want to talk to us | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
about declaring redundancies because of the situation in the steel | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
industry, and what we are saying is that we need immediate help and we | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
need the Prime Minister to step in and we need all the assistance to | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
beget them, go to Europe. The problem is, I understand what | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
Richard is saying, but the reality is this Government has not had | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
industrial or manufacturing strategy from day one. Last week blame was | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
put at Vince Cable's beat, that was unfair. There is no industrial | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
strategy, apart from, it seems to us, we are prepared to do what we | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
can to help the Chinese economy. OK, we have to leave it there, thank you | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
for coming on the programme. This news just in, former X factor | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
judge Tulisa has pleaded guilty at Highbury Magistrates' Court to | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
drink-driving after she crashed her Ferrari. | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
After the daily commute, it's into the cage for more and more | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
white collar workers taking up mixed martial arts. | :33:35. | :33:36. | |
We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
Good morning, time for the latest BBC News with Ben. | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked, | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth. | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
They come from one of the world's most secretive companies, | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama. | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
In comments broadcast on Panamanian television, one of the co-founders | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
of the firm confirmed that the company had been hacked. | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
TRANSLATION: We are a company with almost 40 years in the national and | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
international market and we have never been found guilty of | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
absolutely anything. Yes, we have been hacked in a limited way, it is | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
so. We have already repaired the damage, but we have been hacked in a | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
limited way. All those names that show up there, including the | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
football players, including the Mafia types, all of those are not | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
our clients, they are clients of intermediaries that bought one of | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
our related companies, soldered, and those people used it for who knows | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
what. The Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
has welcomed the leaked revelations. It is interesting when information | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
like this league is because it reminds people who are up to no good | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
how fragile and how former rebel they make themselves by indulging in | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
this kind of activity. -- how vulnerable. We have an | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
anti-corruption Summit here in May, it is a key agenda for the Prime | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
Minister, we are working with many countries around the world, | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
including Panama, I had a meeting with the Panamanian vice president a | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
few weeks ago on this issue, we are making significant progress. | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
In the last hour, a second boat of migrants who are being returned | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in the Turkish | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
As part of the deal, more than a dozen Syrian migrants | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
have been flown to Germany this morning. | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
was stabbed to death in south-east London. | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, have been arrested. | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
Officers were called to reports of an altercation between youths | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
in Lewisham, at around 8pm on Sunday evening. | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence. | :36:00. | :36:11. | |
Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association, | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
has started a petition calling for a change in the law. | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports, | :36:19. | :36:20. | |
including boxing, football and cricket. | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
Those who take a cocktail of drugs over a lengthy period of time get | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
those drugs to enhance performance, to defraud a clean athlete, to | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
devastate the lives of a clean athlete, should face the law. | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
Here's the sport headlines now with Hugh. | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
Most newspapers carrying pictures of a devastated Ben Stokes, Captain | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
Eoin Morgan saying he will give him time to hurt after the final over | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
which saw the West Indies that a thrilling win in the world Twenty20 | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
final. Morgan has backed Stokes to come | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
back 'stronger for the experience.' A fourth 1-0 win in a row | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
for Leicester has put them seven points clear at the top | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
of the Premier League with six | :37:12. | :37:20. | |
games to go. They beat Southampton thanks | :37:21. | :37:21. | |
to a goal from Captain Wes Morgan. Louis Van Gaal admitted | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
Manchester United were lucky to beat Everton 1-0 thanks to | :37:25. | :37:26. | |
Anthony Martial's winner. His side are now a point behind | :37:27. | :37:28. | |
4th-placed Manchester City. Lewis Hamilton could only manage | :37:29. | :37:30. | |
third having started from pole as his Mercedes teammate | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
Nico Rosberg made it two wins from two this season | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
at the Bahrain Grand Prix. That is it for now, I will have all | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
the sport throughout the day on BBC News. | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
Junior doctors in England have begun new legal proceedings against the | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
Government over their decision to impose that new employment contract | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
on them. Our health editor Hugh Pym is here. Why have they done this? | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
It is interesting that these junior doctors in England, the dispute is | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
England only, have raised money through a crowdfunding campaign, | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
?100,000, or a little bit more, to begin legal action. Now they have | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
got a firm of lawyers who say they think there is a case that could go | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
all the way to the High Court for judicial review. It has not quite | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
got they get, they are writing to the Department for health looking at | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
claims and allegations this contract was not lawfully imposed, no | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
consultation, the Secretary of State did not have the power to do that, | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
so they are awaiting the Government's response but pending | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
that they will proceed. We have not yet got the view from the Department | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
of Health on this. There is also another action being launched by the | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
British -- British Medical Association, the doctors' union, | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
challenging the equalities impact of this new contract which is being | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
imposed after months of negotiations between the Government and the BMA | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
which got nowhere. This week there is another strike by junior doctors | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
in England, a 48-hour strike affecting routine non-urgent care, | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
again at the end of April a planned all out strike, doctors walking out | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
of all forms of care which has never before happened in the history of | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
the NHS. Thank you very much. | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
The first migrants to be returned from Greece to Turkey under the | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
controversial EU deal have arrived in the Turkish port of Dikili. | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
Wenzel Michalski is from the organisation Human Rights Watch | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
and has been following the latest developments in Lesbos. | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
How has it been going so far? They returned people who apparently were | :39:27. | :39:37. | |
not asylum seekers, economic migrants, so the perfect pick, the | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
perfect show for the media, but what we have to do is monitor the | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
situation, what will happen in a couple of days when all the cameras | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
are gone, when they are starting to deport children, women, families, | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
which is highly illegal. Is this going to work, this deal, from your | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
point of view? It doesn't work at all, already it doesn't work because | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
the former hotspots in Greece, which were meant to be reception and | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
asylum processing centres, are turned into detention camps, people | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
are detained, but they are not criminals, they should not be | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
detained, they are just asylum seekers, refugees, migrants, and | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
they should be able to walk free. So what will happen, if it is not | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
working, what do you say is likely to happen? We hope the European | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
Court of Human Rights will find a solution. It is against the | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
constitution of certain member states, it is against the Jeep -- | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
the Geneva Convention is, a group of lawyers is already filing | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
complaints, so I think we do anything, is human organisations | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
will do anything to cancel this deal. How can you can select? You | :40:54. | :41:05. | |
have to stop it. How? Just don't do what you do, because it is illegal. | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
Anybody doing something illegal is to stop what they are doing. You | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
cannot park your car in a zone where you are not allowed, you cannot | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
steal people's money, so what the European Union is now doing, and it | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
is aware of it, it is just political will, they are doing something | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
illegal, and it has to stop. Thank you very much for your time. | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
When you think of mixed martial arts or cage fighting, | :41:32. | :41:38. | |
you don't immediately think of a man in a business suit taking part. | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
But the amateur scene is quickly growing in popularity | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
There are more MMA gyms in the UK than ever before | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
and more boxing rings are being replaced with a cage. | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
MMA combines techniques from different martial arts | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
Fighters are split into different weight categories and rounds | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
Critics have labelled it "human cockfighting". | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
Our reporter Benjamin Zand followed a recruitment consultant, | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
as he entered the cage for the first time. | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
His film, which lasts around 15 minutes, contains some | :42:06. | :42:07. | |
Why else would you do it if you don't like hurting people? | :42:08. | :42:19. | |
It is exciting, you don't know what is going to happen. | :42:20. | :42:32. | |
OK, by this point you probably know what MMA is. | :42:33. | :43:07. | |
With the UFC it has gone huge around the world, | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
There was a fight a few weeks ago, involving Conor McGregor | :43:13. | :43:20. | |
and Nate Diaz, that was viewed by millions of people. | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
Here in the UK, gyms are popping up up and down the country. | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
And normal people who have normal jobs are taking part | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
And in what is quite a hard-core thing. | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
So I'm here to speak to a man called Ricky, | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
who is fighting for the first time tonight, to figure out why, | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
So he spends his days helping people find jobs. | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
But, if his fighting career works out, he could soon be moving | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
on to help people find their teeth after he has knocked them out | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
in the octagon, MMA's fighting stage. | :43:52. | :43:52. | |
How you feeling as you are entering the building? | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
In case you do not know what MMA is, it means mixed martial arts. | :43:55. | :44:05. | |
And it is a full-contact sport where you can fight standing up | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
To do this, you can use a variety of combat techniques. | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
This means, unlike in things like boxing, karate or jujitsu, | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
where you can only use one fighting style, you can pretty much use | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
anything you like against your opponent. | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
You do fight in a cage, but it is not bare-knuckle fighting | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
It has a strict set of rules monitored by the international MMA | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
And things are banned, like kicking a downed opponent. | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
It is a multi-million dollar industry and the UFC, | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
or ultimate fighting championship, is the premier organisation in MMA. | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
It's the biggest pay-per-view event provider in the world, | :44:41. | :44:53. | |
And in 2014, it had revenues of $522 million. | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
WC MMA, where I am heading today, is another smaller one in London. | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
You are the only guy who knows, I suppose, because you know both. | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
If I could, I would be a rich man, wouldn't I? | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
If I knew the outcome of every fight. | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
And every fight is the same, I can't wait to get in there | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
and smash his head in, I am going to do this, | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
Everybody gets in and thinks they are going to win. | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
There ain't no one stepping in there thinking they are going to lose. | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
You've got to believe, you've got to win. | :45:28. | :45:29. | |
Without anything else, just stepping into the cage, | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
is one of the hardest things that anybody is going to do. | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
The walk down from here to that cage... | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
After the first time, it is a piece of BLEEP. | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
You let your mates down you are letting your friends down, | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
you are letting your mum down, letting your kids down. | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
Ricky is going to be fighting in six hours. | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
He has got quite a long way, he is fighting at 11pm, | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
He is fighting a guy, I suppose like the K-1 champion, | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
Which, if that was me, and I have never fought before, | :46:02. | :46:13. | |
that would be terrifying, but he does not seem | :46:14. | :46:15. | |
There you go, first time, this is you. | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
I don't think I will until the fight. | :46:23. | :46:33. | |
Before your flight, do you want me and you to do | :46:34. | :46:41. | |
You could spend the whole fight running to each of the corners. | :46:42. | :46:51. | |
That is your nickname. That is not the best nickname. | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
They say on one hand I bake, I cook, and I read novels, | :46:58. | :47:06. | |
and I write, and on the next hand I play rugby and I fight and I fight | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
Come and sort out your tickets, make sure you know where you are going, | :47:11. | :47:46. | |
they will tell you what time and where the medical staff are. | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
He has got to do the waiting game and that is the hardest part, | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
If I were to imagine a promoter for MMA, I feel like you are exactly | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
You are a bit scary. A very nice guy. | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
Do you think there is more interest now than there was before? | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
There are more gyms now in the UK now than ever before. | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
If you look at every gym, they will have a cage. | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
It used to be a ring, but now it is a cage, | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
because everyone is getting into MMA. | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
We are ten years from having, I am not saying no martial arts | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
apart from mixed martial arts, but it will not be that far away. | :48:26. | :48:28. | |
Who is the type of guy who comes to fight? | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
Is it what people would imagine, this kind of guy on the fringes | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
of society who sits at home punching the walls when he is angry? | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
I think you have to go around and ask a lot of guys today what job | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
you do, and some of them are so mild-mannered. | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
I'm an accountant, I'm a doctor. I'm a policeman. | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
I had a guy, he became heavyweight champion, | :48:46. | :48:47. | |
he was earning 150 grand a year, and he gave it all up | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
I suppose for a lot of people it is a little bit scary. | :48:51. | :49:01. | |
These guys, big guys, throwing jabs at each other's faces, | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
Do you understand why people are a little bit afraid | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
I don't think it has a bad reputation. | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
Sometimes people don't understand it. | :49:11. | :49:11. | |
You speak to women about boxing, it is the same, you either love it | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
You have got to remember one thing. Everybody understands fighting. | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
You do not have to have English, speak any language, two men get | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
So have you lost like that much weight for this? | :49:22. | :49:29. | |
I reckon you need to get some of those professional photos done. | :49:30. | :49:54. | |
What is the main reason for doing it? | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
A solid reason for why you are doing this. | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
The main reason is because I think I used to get beaten up a lot | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
When I got older, it made me a bit of a weakling, | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
If anything makes me feel fear, I sort of train myself to run at it. | :50:12. | :50:20. | |
My dad one day was like, he was like, just go crazy. | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
In my childhood I was a bit of a recluse, a bit of a geek, | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
I used fighting and hitting people and hurting people as a way | :50:28. | :50:35. | |
of gaining people's respect, I think. | :50:36. | :50:37. | |
I think I get a lot of my friends like that. | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
I suppose my whole identity. Like who I think I am. | :50:43. | :50:51. | |
So who I think I am is someone who is hard, but... | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
You said your friends said you were the hard guy. | :50:55. | :50:56. | |
I think I'm hard but I don't know if I am. | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
Can you usually tell, someone comes in and you are like, | :51:02. | :51:14. | |
he is probably going to lose, he is probably going to win? | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
Has he got like a black belt in killing people? | :51:20. | :51:48. | |
Hey, Dave, can you tell me how it is going? | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
Doing my nut in already, let me tell you. | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
But it is going to get better, it is going to get more lively. | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
As the event started the fights came in thick and fast. | :51:59. | :52:09. | |
I am making a film the BBC about the rise... | :52:10. | :52:20. | |
I didn't want a picture, but I will take a picture | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
What will winning feel like if you win? | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
It will feel like the opposite of losing. | :52:30. | :52:31. | |
That is true, but what will it do for you like mentally? | :52:32. | :52:46. | |
It will feel good for a few days. I can walk into the office... | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
You like the acknowledgement from people, your peers, | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
that you do something well, like recognition. | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
And you like hurting people, don't you? | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
Whereas when you do it, if you don't like hurting people,... | :52:59. | :53:00. | |
That is the main reason why? Why do you think that is? | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
I don't know, if I am on top of someone, punching | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
someone in the face, like, it's a good | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
I don't think many fighters would admit they like hurting people. | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
Get on top of him and smash him to the floor, I much prefer that. | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
Some people would be like, a bit, concerned to hear that. | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
As Ricky continued to prepare for his fight I went on the search | :53:24. | :53:35. | |
I don't know if this is going to end well. | :53:36. | :54:02. | |
In gladiator fashion, the fighters were quickly back | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
and one by one to centre stage to fight their opponents. | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
And in the fighters' room, the tension started | :54:08. | :54:09. | |
This is one fight room and there is another fight run over | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
A lot of them are fighting for the first time. | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
You are about to go to war with another man in front | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
I would be scared, as well. Hopefully, he will do well. | :54:24. | :54:31. | |
Although he would not admit it to me, he was nervous. | :54:32. | :54:40. | |
But what's he going to do with it now? | :54:41. | :55:44. | |
After it all finished, I got a few words out of him. | :55:45. | :56:32. | |
You are talking about that kind of adulation. | :56:33. | :56:40. | |
Looking at and seeing my friends, like, BLEEP. | :56:41. | :56:42. | |
Their faces. It is exactly what I wanted. | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
Win or lose, I will have done it again. | :56:47. | :56:54. | |
Next time, I will train and not drink. | :56:55. | :56:56. | |
He got to go home as the hard man and I go knowing more about why | :56:57. | :57:05. | |
I dedicate this one to my goddaughter, Thea, yeah, man. | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
You knocked a guy out for your goddaughter. | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
For someone like Ricky, who spends their days in the office, | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
it is a thrill that cannot be found anywhere else. | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
A real challenge in our otherwise tranquil worlds. | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
And it is a lot safer and more organised than many would assume. | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
Whether Ricky will be giving up his day job to become | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
a professional fighter has yet to be seen. | :57:32. | :57:33. | |
But one thing that is certain is that MMA is only getting more | :57:34. | :57:41. | |
popular, and, for most, it means a lot more than just | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
punching another person in the face. | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
Danny was watching that. He is in North Wales. Hi Danny. What about | :57:51. | :57:58. | |
you? What's the attraction? Well, there is the good and healthy | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
lifestyle it leads for me. That's the attraction for me generally. OK, | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
I don't know if you heard Ricky. He liked hurting someone. That's | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
ridiculous. I don't know. I don't agree with that statement one bit. | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
You could have a fit and healthy lifestyle, you know, you could run, | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
you could just work out in the gym. You don't have to go into a cage and | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
get involved in mix the martial arts, do you? I have done that | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
before and I still do it. It is part of the training routine the fight. I | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
follow more and more training routines now with the mixed martial | :58:36. | :58:41. | |
arts. Thanks for coming on the programme. Nice to talk to you. | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
Thanks for your company today. Joanna is here tomorrow. Have a good | :58:47. | :58:49. |