05/04/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria -

Our top story today - the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

is calling for the UK to take action against the use of British overseas

territories and dependencies as tax havens.

We'll bring you the latest revelations from the leak

of millions of documents from a Panamanian law firm

which reveals the rich and powerful globally hiding their wealth

Also on the programme - do bookies do enough to stop people

New rules come into force tomorrow - but will they make a difference?

We'll talk to those affected, including one man

who was spending ?1000 a week on betting shops.

And, we put the London Mayoral hopefuls through their paces

This morning, it's the turn of the Conservative

Does his Knowledge stand up to the test?

Who was the first landlord at the Queen Vic? Dirty Den! Is that right?

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given a three-month suspended sentence for taking an abortion

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the first case of its kind. Abortion is illegal

in Northern Ireland and the woman, who was 19 at the time,

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a story you think we should be Some of our best stories come

from you, our viewers. Our top story today: David Cameron

is coming under pressure to do more to stop overseas territories

and Crown dependencies being used by wealthy people trying

to reduce their tax bills. It's after the leak of millions

of documents from a Panamanian law firm has revealed the extent

of the practice globally. In a speech later today,

the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will say the Government needs

to stop "pussyfooting around" on tax dodging and that there can't be "one

set of rules for the wealthy elite The Caribbean hideaway that became

a haven for sanctions dodgers and this is the law

firm that helped them. People like Rami Makhlouf,

Syria's richest businessman His mobile phone network became

became a focus for protesters' Sanctioned by the US in 2008

for corruption and intimidation, Mossack Fonseca had six companies

with Makhlouf but carried It was not just Mossack Fonseca,

in the British Virgin Islands who was helping Rami Makhlouf,

he was also a client of HSBC bank And we've obtained

internal documents showing the discussions that took place once

it was discovered that he had been In February 2011, Mossack Fonseca's

head of compliance sent this e-mail It prompted this

reply from Chris Zollinger, one of Mossack Fonseca's

partners: HSBC said they work closely

with the authorities to fight crime Mossack Fonseca said they have never

knowingly allowed the use of their companies

by individuals having any relationship with

North Korea, Syria or Iran, and they have

their own procedures in place to identify

individuals to the But with 11 million

leaked documents, there are more revelations to come

and further questions about the secrecy

of offshore finance. In Iceland, thousands of people

gathered outside parliament demanding the prime minister step

down over allegations he concealed Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson

earlier refused to resign, saying no rules were broken and his

wife did not benefit financially. We will be talking more about this

in the programme, speaking to the former Attorney General Dominic

Grieve on his thoughts about whether there is one rule for the wealthy

elite and another for the rest of us. First, let's catch up with the

rest of the day's news. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary. The boss of the Liberty Steel Group

says he believes that the loss-making Port Talbot steel

plant in south Wales Sanjeev Gupta was speaking this

morning ahead of a meeting with David Cameron and

other senior ministers on the future of the UK steel plants

put up for sale last week Wales' First Minister Carwyn Jones

is also saying that the option of taking the plunge into public

ownership should remain open. Our correspondent,

Andy Moore, has this report. Last week, he went to Port Talbot

to tell workers he would do Later today, the Business Secretary

will fly to Mumbai to meet Tata executives to discuss

their timetable for the sale It's a meeting many steelworkers say

should have happened some time ago. Last night, Mr Javid's deputy

was feeling optimistic. A long way to go yet,

but we are making good progress. Could this man be the saviour

of the British steel industry? One Indian company wants

to offload the company - it could be another Indian-born

tycoon, Sanjeev Gupta, But he would want to run a very

different type of business. The old blast furnace would be

closed down and replaced Our idea is that we will look

to transition from blast furnaces to arc furnaces, from imported raw

material to domestically-available scrap, and from making carbon steel

to what we call green steel, melting recycling scrap

using renewable energy. His company Liberty has already

saved this steelworks in Newport. If he were to take over

Tata's other operation, he would hope to keep

most of the workforce. There will be a series

of meetings today involving the British Government,

Welsh Government and the unions. Everyone is hoping a deal can

be done to save jobs. New regulations come into force this

week to target problem gambling. The clampdown in England,

Wales and Scotland will force every bookmaker near schools,

hostels for homeless people or other communities seen as high-risk

to carry out a risk assessment showing they've thought

about what they can do And we'll be speaking to people

personally affected by gambling on the programme in

the next few minutes. GP practices are struggling to offer

enough appointments to meet patient demand, doctors'

leaders have warned. Surgeries are increasingly relying

on support from locum doctors but a poll for the British Medical

Association suggests that just under half frequently have

trouble finding cover. The Government says that it's

provided more money to recruit extra GPs which is already

having an effect. Fewer parents than expected

are choosing to take shared parental leave after the birth

or adoption of a child. According to the My Family Care

study, half of fathers chose not to take leave because they were

worried about career progression, but the former Culture Secretary

Maria Miller has told this programme that the Government needs to reform

parental leave more quickly or risk skilled women

missing out on top jobs. We'll be hearing from Maria Miller

and parents who have all shared their parental

leave at 10.30am here on the Victoria

Derbyshire programme. An aeroplane wing burst into flames

after two aircraft collided at an airport in the

Indonesian capital Jakarta. The Batik Air passenger plane

was taking off when its wing clipped the tail of a TransNusa

aircraft being towed No-one was injured and all

passengers were evacuated. Indonesia has a poor air safety

record amid a boom in air travel, particularly

with budget carriers. The former Prime Minister

of New Zealand, Helen Clark, has confirmed she will stand

in the election to become the next UN Secretary General,

when Ban Ki-Moon steps The 66-year-old currently heads

the United Nations Development If she wins, she would become

the first woman to lead the UN. The Conservative candidate

for London Mayor, Zac Goldsmith, has told this programme

that his Labour opponent, Sadiq Khan is 'fundamentally

unprincipled' and a naked Goldsmith accused Khan

of changing his stance on issues for his own political gain,

and says he can't think of another politician in this country who's

engaged in more flip-flopping The two men are the frontrunners

in the race to succeed Boris Johnson He was giving an interview in a cab

to the BBC's assistant political The reality is that Saadi Khan is an

architect, a principal architect of one of the most radical things that

has happened to British politics in my life can certainly, but further

than that. He nominated Jeremy Corbyn, which was a huge experiment

with the Labour Party. He has said over and over again that he would do

so again, despite the impact it has had on the party, and his personal

approach to politics is divisive. And you can watch that

full interview here on the Victoria Derbyshire programme

just after 9.30am this morning. Motorists are being warned

that the period of lower fuel The cost of oil has reached 40

dollars a barrel for the first A report by the RAC found that

unleaded petrol was now selling for 105 pence a litre,

adding ?1.84 to the cost of filling A military dog will be

awarded the Dickin Medal The award for bravery is considered

the animal's Victoria During six years of service,

12-year-old Lucca lead around 400 patrols in Iraq and Afghanistan,

protecting thousands On her final mission,

the sniffer dog lost her front leg after stepping on an

explosive device. Now retired, she lives in California

and has been flown over to collect There will not be a dry eye in the

house! That's a summary of

the latest BBC News - We always love a story about a hero

pet! A little later in the programme

we'll bring you an extended interview with all four members

of the Rolling Stones, who've been going now

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Here's some sport now with Jessica

who has news of an encouraging 24 Making progress, tell us how he is

getting on? Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken

from his induced coma. He suffered a bleed on his skull

following his British title fight with Chris Eubank Junior

just over a week ago. Blackwell's promoter

Hennessey Sports says he was talking to family and friends

as his bedside this weekend. Now Eubank Junior is

keen to visit him. I have just got the news that Nick

Blackwell has finally woken out of his coma after about nine days.

Very, very happy to hear this. A message to you, Nick, I would love

to come down to the hospital to see you if that is possible, if that is

called with you and your family. I have got something for you, so let

me know, man. He's been described as a task master

and a drill sergeant. Reknowned disciplinarian

Antonio Conte is the new head He'll start in the summer

after leading his national side As boss of Italian club Juventus,

Conte won the Serie A league title England's Joe Marler has insisted

he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

hearing this afternoon, for calling the Wales player

Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

saying he would accept What I said to Samson

was out of order and wrong, Details of an independent inquiry

into UK Anti-Doping are expected It's in response to allegations

a doctor prescribed performance-enhancing

drugs to 150 athletes. Kenya, meanwhile, could move

closer to a possible ban The country had a deadline

to improve its anti-doping procedures and demonstrate

that they are tackling cheating in sport, but the World Anti-Doping

Agency is expected to find them Heather Watson is out

of the Katowice Open in Poland. The British number two has came

from a set down to take it to a decisive third,

but was beaten in that 6-4 by Kristyna Pliskova

from the Czech Republic. The Masters in Augusta gets

underway on Thursday, and Rory McIlory looks to be warming

up for the tournament in some style after landing a hole-in-one

at a practice round. Now, unfortunately cameras only

picked up McIlroy actually picking the ball up from the 16th hole,

so you'll have to take our The world number three, though,

made one lucky fan's day when he signed

the ball and gave it What a shame we did not get the

pictures! There's a bookie or casino on pretty

much every high street - but is enough being done

to stop people from getting New regulations come into force

tomorrow in England, Wales and Scotland forcing every

bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

showing they've thought about what they can do

to stop problem gambling. So does this new regulation

go far enough? Is high street gambling the problem

or should the Government be looking Should there be more support

for people with gambling addictions Here to talk about all this

and more are Steven Nyandu, who was addicted to fixed

odds betting terminals, machines where you can gamble up

to ?100 every 20 seconds, He was losing up to ?1,000 a week

when his gambling problem was at its worst, but he has now

been in recovery for 18 months and is working to help other people

beat their gambling addictions. James Brazier was addicted

to gambling and sadly took his own life in August

last year aged just 25. His mum, Kasey Brazier,

is here with us this morning. Kasey thinks there should be easier

access to treatment and more focus on supporting the families of people

with gambling addictions. Frankie Graham is founder of problem

gambling support service, Frankie himself has a history

of gambling addiction At his worst, he was spending around

70% of his wages on gambling. He doesn't think these

rules go far enough. Malcolm George is the Chief

Executive of the Association And Kerry Simpkins is licensing team

manager at Westminster City Council. They've already brought in a scheme

looking at where bookies and other places to gamble are in relation

to their most "at risk" communities, Thank you very much for joining us.

Stephen first of all, you were addicted to fixed odds betting

machines for a period of ten years. Yes. What first drew you into

gambling? I think I was introduced to fixed odds betting terminals by a

friend in college back in 2003. So we went into the bookmaker one day

and I didn't know what he was doing. He put some money, you know, into

roulette machines or a fixed odds betting terminal. I think he doubled

his money. He put a tenner in and got ?20 back straightaway. I thought

why not? Is this is a good time to spend my break sometimes.

Occasionally I'd go into the bookmaker and I put ?5, ?10, I used

to bet conservatively. And I used to win, you know. The first time I ever

gambled I won so automatically, you know, this gave me a sense of belief

that I can make money from gambling and it kind of continued until then

and it spiralled out of control over the years. So how much were you

spending in the end? At the worst point, you know, I did spend up to

?1,000 a week. That's very true. I spent a massive fraction of my

salary on betting on fixed odds betting terminals. You were drawn in

when you were doing well and it is something that makes you feel good.

Yes. But in the end with most addictions, it can end up making you

feel terrible and cause real problems. How did it end up with

you? Oh well, at my lowest point I was very depressed. It got worse

because there wasn't really much support services out there, you

know, to actually help me. I was very alone. I kept it away from my

family and friends for a long time. I think, you know, anybody possibly

watching this show would be very surprised right now, but however,

yeah... That you were doing it because you kept it so well hidden?

That's why I was able to carry on, I kept it well hidden for the best

part of ten years. The best part of a decade. Like I said again, there

wasn't enough support services out there. I did contact some support

services, you know, I wouldn't really mention them because it is

not an attack on them and waiting lists were like two, three, maybe

four months and I mean, if I can lose ?1,000 in a week, what am I

going to do in four months? However in the end I was put in touch with

Frankie Bet No More and I came on to, I was Frankie's mentee, Frankie

acted as my mentor and he helped me throughout the difficult stages of

my recovery. Right at the beginning. He gave me an opportunity to

volunteer with Bet No More. You turned things around. I turned

things around very quickly and now I am an outreach worker and I am on

the mentor programme with Frankie and other volunteers. Yeah, it has

been a journey. Kasey, your son James took his own life... He didn't

have that opportunity. Listen to go Stephen obviously, your family had a

very different experience. Tell us what happened with James? Exactly

the same really. Ten years, probably a decade of gambling on and off more

on, I think, if I'm honest. Hidden initially and then not hidden

anymore because he involved all of us in his gambling, it affected all

of us. When you say involved, you knew because Stephen was saying he

kept it hidden, but you were aware? James wasn't able to keep it hidden

because he needed us to support him so if he needed money, we would help

him. We didn't always know it was gambling, but we would help him with

money, myself or my husband or other family members and then we realised

it was gambling and we tried everything we could to try to stop

him, unfortunately like you just said, it is an addiction that we

didn't really understand and there wasn't any support out there. Maybe

if he met someone like you, it might be different. It put a huge stress

on the whole family? Yeah, for roughly ten years. And then the

consequences it was this. So... Sorry. It is completely

understandable, you lost your son. Let's bring in Kerry. The betting

shops take moor responsibility and show more of a duty of care.

Westminster Council has already been doing the sort of things that are

going to come in. Tell us how it has been working in a practical sense?

Yes, the changes is positive. It is a move forward and Westminster in

particular have been leading the way in local authority since we took

over regulatory powers in 2007. We have been specifically looking at

the area. Our councillors have been concerned over the years about not

having the evidence base to understand how gambling affects

local people. Kasey's son and Stephen are the people, are

residents of our communities that we are looking to help and that's why

we specifically commissioned Geo Futures to carry out ground-breaking

research and too look at vulnerability at a local level. So

we can specifically target these areas in terms of support services,

but also for risk assessments to provide that information to the

gambling sector particularly the bookies who are the vast majority of

premises we have in Westminster to enable them to look at their risk

assessments and look at how they operate and put measures in place to

mitigate any harm that they may have and to support the people like

Stephen and Kasey's son. Can anything be done to stop anybody,

vun, whatever, walking in and developing a habit that they can't

control and perhaps people simply aren't aware of what's going on with

them? It is a very difficult issue. Gambling is a hidden addiction. As

Stephen, it is one of these addictions that isn't, part of my

job is licensing and alcohol promises as well. Alcohol is pretty

obvious the effects of that. Gambling isn't and it didn't really

happen until you get to the end where you are in that much problems

and you need the support of people like Frankie and his team. In term

of what we're doing, we are specifically focussing and working

with the industry to try and, you know, work with them to develop

their risks assessments to bring about measures that they can do to

target those vulnerable people that we have identified in a particular

area where they are more at risk to problem gambling. Malcolm George,

you represent the high street betting industry. Do you expect

these changes to make any material difference in terms of a vulnerable

person actually potentially not going down a path that they might be

going down? What you have seen is over two, three years a step change

in the way the industry addresses problem gambling and this is just

another step along that road and it is measures such as self exclusion

from shops. It is the training we give our staff in how to identify,

hopefully early, a problem gambler and how to intervene and how to

intervene effectively and sign post them to the great services that

people like Frankie offer and Gam Care and it is making sure we have

the structures in the shops that create an environment that is safe

for people to gamble in and spot people early when they start to

display those signs of problem gambling. Stephen, did anybody in a

shop ever spot what was going on with you and talk to you about it?

To be honest with you on one occasion over ten years, you know,

that's, you know, that's not an attack to the book making industry

itself, however, I don't believe, you know, there is enough

intervention out there or the bookmaker staff are skilled enough,

you know, to actually carry out the interventions What would have made a

difference? It happened once, somebody said to you, clearly, they

were identifying there maybe a problem and it didn't stop you then.

What might have made a difference? Before I go anymore, I must stress,

I used to own a gam point. I don't know if it was a ritual or

superstition. I don't know how much it would have made a difference. I

still go down to support services. I stress again I was very lucky to get

in touch with Frankie and Bet No More and that changed everything. I

find that bookmaker staff are under pressure to meet targets. I have

been in bookmakers before and I have been proposed a new game. A new way

to play the machines and like I say, I used to gamble with one bookmaker

and I am familiar with many of the staff and they know I have made a

turn around. Sometimes I do some outreach work which may involve me

going into a bookmaker and seeing if you know, I can possibly drof off

leaflets in terms of support services. The training that staff

receive and the quality of that training, it is a step change and I

think, you know, what we would say is, those people who manage to

address their problem gambling, the greatest credit goes to them because

it does involve families. It involves the individual himself.

What we put in place is a range of additional measures. Some of which

will work for different people so for some people, self exclusion will

work. For others, it maybe setting a limit on the machine. For others, it

maybe... Is any of that really happening? Oh, absolutely. It

happens consistently. We found the industry is by far and athe largest

funder actually of all the support services that exist. I mean we will,

the industry, will fund possibly 90%... Kasey is shaking her head? I

disagree. On many occasions I retrieved my son, they were trying

to encourage him to do more. Maybe now it might change, but it

certainly wasn't then and he hasn't been dead that long. I disagree with

you. My concern is how many bookmakers there are in small,

deprived areas. The very people who are vulnerable already are having

that thrown in their face day in and day out. There is none where I live.

In an affluent area, there is hardly any. I think that nationally

gambling providers have policies in place, but they don't actually

necessarily localised enough and they know to know and deal with the

local problems, what happens in a rural part of the country is very

different to the centre of London for example. So it is very different

approaches need to be taken for even individual shops in different areas

even in the same city. There is a Cash Converters, chicken

shop, betting shop, almost always together in deprived areas, people

go in, pawn something to get the money, then they go and get a drink.

It is what the mapping tools have produced in Westminster and

Manchester, mapping these particular locations that indicate deprivation

and social issues that enables us to do that. The new regulations are

exactly about what Kerry is talking about, localism, councils working in

partnership with betting shops and actually saying, what are the

specific needs of this area, and how should the betting shop address

those and create a very safe environment for betting? We have not

had a chance to hear you get, Frank, you have been helping people get

through ambling addiction. Do you think these things will make a

difference? It is a start, our focus as an organisation is to provide

grassroots support, working with local communities, local community

groups, existing charities. With Stephen, for example, the absolute

priority for him was the quick turnaround support, and mentoring

service so that the support is daily. You have to bear in mind, if

you have a gambling problem, you need money to survive in society, so

every time you have money in your pocket there is a potential trigger

to relapse in your pocket. It is essential the person has safeguards

in place, they have a very support plan which means we focus on

well-being, not just addiction -- is very holistic support plan. We

provide an opportunity for that person to change and become

empowered by the experience. How should we -- how much responsibility

should the high street take? They have a part to play, but with the

best will in the world they are not going to be fully trained in these

interventions. It is very, very challenging for them to try to carry

out an intervention on someone who has just lost a lot of money

problem gambling, what is happening to the others gambling may be

through their phone? We do welcome any changes or introduction of new

measures, but there is still a lot of work to be done. And that is what

makes shops unique, almost, is that there are staff, people, human

interaction, they often know their customers, and that is what gives

the shop the potential to intervene, and intervene positively, and

signpost people to the sort of support they need if they're

gambling is getting out of control. We are out of time, thank you all

for coming in and sharing experiences and thoughts on this

with us. If you are struggling with gambling or any other form of

addiction, you can call the BBC's action line...

Still to come: London Mayoral candidates in the hot seat

Today is the Conservative candidate, Zac Goldsmith.

And few new parents are taking advantage of a shared paid leave

We'll be asking why and just who is losing out most?

Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

David Cameron is coming under pressure to do more to stop British

overseas territories and Crown dependencies being used by wealthy

people trying to reduce their tax bills.

The leak of millions of documents from a Panamanian law

firm has revealed that more than half of the 200,000 secret

companies set up by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca were registered

In a speech later today, the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

will say there can't be "one set of rules for the wealthy elite

In Iceland, thousands of people gathered outside parliament

demanding the Prime Minister step down over allegations he concealed

Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson earlier refused to resign,

saying no rules were broken and his wife did not benefit

The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta,

a potential buyer of the Port Talbot steelworks,

today before flying to India this evening

David Cameron is meeting with Carwyn Jones to discuss the future of the

plant. At my lowest point I was very

depressed because there were no support services to help me. I was

very alone, I kept it away from my family and friends for a long time.

Anybody watching this show would be very surprised right now. Because

you kept it so well hidden? Yes, I think that is why I was able to

carry on, I kept it well hidden for the best part of ten years.

New regulations come into force this week to target problem gambling.

The clampdown in England, Wales and Scotland will force every

bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

showing they've thought about what they can do

Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is stepping down as a judge on the X Factor,

again, when the show returns later this year.

She's the latest change to the line-up after fellow judge

Nick Grimshaw said he was leaving the show as well.

Presenters Olly Murs and Caroline Flack will also be

replaced by Dermot O'Leary, who's returning after a year away.

Cheryl said she's had an amazing experience on The X Factor,

In response, Simon Cowell said he understand her commitment

That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

Jessica has the morning's sport headlines now.

Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken from his induced coma.

He suffered a bleed on his skull, following his British title fight

with Chris Eubank Junior just over a week ago.

Blackwell's promoter Hennessey Sports says he was talking

to family and friends as his bedside this weekend.

Now, Eubank Junior is keen to visit him.

Antonio Conte is the new head coach at Chelsea.

He'll start in the summer after leading his national side

As boss of Italian club Juventus, Conte won the Serie A league title

England's Joe Marler has insisted he is not a racist ahead

of his World Rugby disciplinary hearing this afternoon

for calling the Wales player Samson Lee "Gypsy boy".

Marler made the comment during England's Six Nations game

Marler has issued a statement saying he would accept

Kenya could move closer to a possible ban from

The country had a deadline to improve its anti-doping

procedures and demonstrate that they are tackling cheating

in sport, but the World Anti-Doping Agency is expected to find

I will be back with a full update at about 10am.

The Conservative candidate for Mayor of London has told this

programme his Labour opponent is "fundamentally unprincipled"

Zac Goldsmith accuses Sadiq Khan of changing his stance on issues

for his own political gain, and says he can't think of another

politician in this country who has engaged

in more flip-flopping for political reasons.

The two men are the frontrunners in the race to succeed Boris Johnson

as the next Mayor of London, a job he's held for the past eight years.

The next Mayor will preside over a city that's home to 8.6 million

people - that's roughly the populations of Scotland

They'll have the power to decide policy in areas such as housing,

transport and policing, and will control a budget

Over the next couple of days we'll hear from some of the candidates,

and today it's the turn of Zac Goldsmith to share a cab

with our political guru, Norman Smith.

One of your challenges is your background.

So how do you represent people in the city, where many people

Look, I've never hidden from my background.

I have never pretended to be anything other than what I am.

Is that a disadvantage now in campaigning?

I've spent my entire life trying to play that hand

And that has involved campaigning at every level against what I see

I have campaigned for the environment, consumers,

against corporate corruption, all my life before becoming an MP.

As an MP for the last five, six years, I have campaigned

and battled for my constituents every single day I have

Just at a personal level, if you, a very wealthy man,

are voting for benefit cuts for poor people,

I stood on a manifesto at both elections that involved reforming

the welfare system to make it pay to work.

But I want to challenge the premise of your question.

To be an effective councillor, to be an effective MP,

or an effective mayor, you've got to be someone

who empathises with problems, who understands problems,

Let me try some quickfire questions, if I may,

just yes-no things that may give us a sense of who you are.

I have a great reverence of the natural world.

I think there is a magic in the world.

But I am not religious in a conventional sense.

It is not something I would promote, it is not something I would

Would you like cyclists to be forced to wear helmets?

It is not something I would push, no.

Let's talk about one of the big issues for London,

which is this is a city with massive levels of immigration.

Do you think the current numbers of immigrants are too high?

I think there are two issues there and one is about control.

I do think we need to have control of our borders.

I think any country needs to have control of their borders.

But that is not so much for me a numbers issue.

I think immigration is one of the key reasons why this city

is the success that it is, and I would not want to turn

No-one is disputing that this is a city built on immigration,

that relies on immigration, but, wide on this matter surely is this -

because of the pressure numbers create on housing,

Do you think the numbers coming into London at the moment are too

I think the worst thing that could happen to Londoners that

people don't want to come and work and live and invest

The job of the next mayor is to accommodate that.

We know we have a massive housing crisis.

I know it is an overused term, but it is a housing crisis,

that is the only term I can think of to describe it.

We need to close the gap between demand and supply,

and that means building around 50,000 homes a year and not just

when you build these new developments, you have got

to build into them schools, primary schools, secondary schools,

In one of your leaflets, you characterised Sadiq Khan

Bluntly, isn't that dog whistle politics?

I know that was the interpretation that his team have tried

But the reality is that Sadiq Khan is an architect,

principal architect, of one of the most radical things

that has happened to British politics in my lifetime,

certainly, but I would go further than that.

He nominated Jeremy Corbyn, which was a huge experiment

He has said over and over again that he would do so again,

despite the impact it has had on that party.

And his personal approach to politics is divisive.

This is not a comment on Labour, there are plenty of Labour people

I've worked with over the last six years.

But as an individual, Sadiq Khan is not someone who has

any record at all of being able to work with people outside

What would be the impact on London if we left the European Union?

The truth is that business does not speak with one voice on this issue.

Then you have the British Chamber of Commerce on the other.

For every Richard Branson you have got a James Dyson.

Small businesses tend to be much more Eurosceptic,

overwhelmingly so in fact if you look at most small

organisations, small business organisations.

CBI and the big business voices tend to be more keen to stay in Europe.

I have no doubt in my mind that the riskier option,

because that is really what we are talking about,

Let's talk a bit about standing up to David Cameron.

He clearly is on the other side in this referendum campaign.

Do you think he could survive if he lost?

I hope so. I don't see why not.

It is really important this project has a democratic mandate,

And that is what David Cameron has given us and for that I am very

grateful, and I think the whole country should be grateful.

He will go down in history as a great man, in my view.

We are driving through really heavy traffic.

It is normally a lot heavier than this, actually.

What are you, a black-cab man or an Uber man?

I think it is essential we ensure the black cab has a bright future.

You don't want to ban Uber. Can you levelled the playing field?

It should be a requirement that Uber drivers and private hire vehicle

drivers should have a basic grasp of London's geography.

They should have to do their own mini knowledge?

Not the Knowledge, of course, but the basic understanding

of London's geography, they should have a basic grasp

Can I ask why, because you can just use sat-nav.

Because you need to be able to communicate,

because the roads aren't always open, because there might be

an accident ahead, there might be congestion.

It is important there is a level of agility.

I am not expecting the same level of agility you find in a black cab.

I think there is also a question mark about the numbers.

There are just so many licences being issued.

That is becoming, we think, we do not have the data to prove

this, but we think it is becoming a congestion problem.

See how much you have knowledge of London.

OK, let's take the Central line. What is next in this sequence?

Bond Street, Oxford Circus, Tottenham Court Road?

I am going to stop you there, because I don't...

Most people have a route, two routes. And they become

like an extension of the body and you use those routes,

not for ethical reasons, but because it is the only way

to get around London without being late for meetings.

But the routes outside of the normal, you have apps

like Citymapper, which I rely on pretty much every day.

And they ensure you get where you need to get to one time.

Who was the first landlord at the Queen Vic?

You are talking 40 years ago, 50 years ago?

The first landlord. Big iconic...

I went there very recently. I can't tell you the road.

I think it is the next one. Oh no, it is not.

They are sending me down here. Do you know better?

I would have gone down there and left.

There you are you can get around this...

I think the road is closed, actually.

Oh, crikey. Really?

You have the GPS, I will let you do it.

This is when you need the Knowledge! I am blindly following the sat-nav.

So if you get the London mayor position, have you thought

at the end of your term, is there anything which you would

Is there one thing you would like to be identified

In a very general sense, I want London to be affordable

to Londoners, because if it is not, London will cease to be

And that is not just housing, it is across the board.

It is about not losing those small spaces for creative people that give

It means making sure people can actually afford not just to live

but to work and contribute in London.

But on a different level, I think it is time now,

and the time is right now, for London to become the greenest

You are quite critical of Sadiq Khan.

What would you say is his redeeming quality?

Is there anything you like about him?

There is one thing which causes me to pause.

Because I have to tell you that in my time in politics,

I have dealt with all manner, all types of politicians.

And I do regard him to be fundamentally unprincipled,

and there is so much evidence of that.

But one thing that causes me to question that is the fact he has

supported gay marriage, which is surprising.

I think that shows there is something there beyond

So I will maybe have to revise my views slightly.

That is a fairly damning assessment, to say he is unprincipled.

I mean that is quite a big claim to make, isn't it?

I can't think of another politician in this country who has engaged

in more flip-flopping for political reasons than Sadiq Khan,

so when I say he is unprincipled, that, for me, defines

what being unprincipled in politics means.

It is someone who will say something but who will say something

completely different depending on who they are talking

to and what their ambition in politics is in a particular time.

That is the definition of being unprincipled in politics.

Well, here we are, I do believe we have made it.

I'm not sure about the route, I have to say.

I am only going to charge you ?23.60 for that!

I didn't even notice that, that's illegal, surely?

Grace says I dislike the principle of criticising other politicians

rather than informing us about actual policies, but I like the name

Zac! We'll hear from some of the other

candidates over the next few days. In total 12 candidates are hoping

to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor of London in the

election on 5th May. You can find a full list of them

on the BBC News site. If you want to watch back

or share Norman taking a cab with Zac Goldsmith or Sadiq Khan

you can find them on our programme Coming up: More sentencing today

for the gang behind a notorious museum raid after a plot to steal

artefacts worth up to ?57 million. Rhino horn is worth more than gold

and cocaine. A woman from Northern Ireland has

been given a suspended prison sentence after she bought

abortion pills online. Belfast Crown Court heard

that the woman, who was 19 at the time, couldn't raise enough

money to travel to England She was reported to the police

when her housemates found the foetus Abortion in Northern Ireland

is illegal unlike in England, Katherine O'Brien is from

the British Pregnancy Advisory Thank you for comingment in what do

you think about this case? I think the fact that this woman has been

given any kind of prison sentence for ending a pregnancy is appalling

and speaks to the Draconian nature of abortion laws in Northern

Ireland. This was a 19-year-old woman without the finances to travel

abroad to end a pregnancy and really, in that situation, she had

no other option. Would you advice would the service advice people in

Northern Ireland to get this pill and have a termination that way?

Absolutely, we would not advice women to buy this medication online.

There are certain risks associated with taking any medication without

provision of qualified medical professionals, but women in Northern

Ireland don't have any other options in some circumstances so until they

are able to access abortion at home, women will continue to buy these

pills. This case obviously highlights the fact that if a woman

is doing that, they run the risk of a prison sentence. That remains the

law. How many women do you think might be doing this? We don't know

exact numbers, but we know these pills are very cheap online and they

are readily available for women and awareness is growing so we know

there will be many women probably in Northern Ireland and the Republic of

Ireland who are resorting to these pills online, but also it is worth

remembering that throughout the UK, any woman who buy this is medication

online is risking life imprisonment. While abortion is legal in certain

circumstances in England and Wales and Scotland, ending a pregnancy

without the supervision of two doctors remains a crime. How many

women from Northern Ireland does your advisory service deal with on a

daily basis who are concerned having fallen pregnant and do not want that

pregnancy? So we hear from women every day and we see women from

Northern Ireland every day in our clinics and it is heartbreaking to

see these women forced to travel, you know, these are women with

lives, with children, with responsibilities at home and the

fact that their Government is forcing them at such a huge personal

and financial cost to travel abroad, it is heartbreaking for our staff to

see. It is the law in Northern Ireland obviously. Yes. The society

for the protection of the unborn child, we will be speaking to later,

they actually say that a suspended sentence in this case will encourage

other women to take the risk of taking this drug. I think that's a

very odd way... The sentence would have been more of a deterrent? I

think women in Northern Ireland will rort to this regardless of the law.

I don't think there this is something that could be

characterised as a light sentence. This woman has been branded a

criminal for life and she has been through the horrific ordeal of the

court case, it is flippant to suggest she got off lightly. How

many people do you think are travelling abroad to have abortions

from Northern Ireland? Hundreds of women from Northern Ireland will

travel to England for terminations every year although the number maybe

higher and they maybe travelling elsewhere as well. Katherine

O'Brien, thank you. We will be speaking to the society for the

protection of the unborn child later for their view.

Lots of you getting in touch with your experience of gambling. Stephen

said, "I am a compulsive gambler. A few years I self excluded myself

from the local shopsment then I could do that for five years.

However, when I had did it a few weeks ago, I could only exclude

myself for 12 months. Why is this?" Adam tweeted to say, "Gambling is a

hidden problem. They cost our family ?500,000." Heather, "Thank you to

the brave mumment you are so right. Often vulnerable desparing people

turn to gambling especially those who are poor." Brendan tweeted to

say, "No one said the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies

should be bannedment they are the problem. I know loads of people who

are addicted to them. ." Kepy tweeted to say, "Gamble as

destructive as smoking. The Government want this to happen, ban

advertising of gambling." Joe says, "A great programme highlighting this

very real problem with gambling. Well done." Thank you for your

comments as well as everything else we are talking about today.

Let's get the latest weather update with Nick.

There is a big change in the weather coming your way over the next few

days. Temperatures will be dipping significantly. The winds picking up

as well. Even a bit of sleet and snow over the tops of the hills

across Northern Britain as well. All that is in the forecast. A bit of

sunshine. A bit of warmth still to be found for some of us today

though. Still got rain affecting parts of Scotland and north-east

England and increasingly light and patchy though as we go through this

afternoon and Western Scotland and north-west England brightening up.

Sunny spells for Northern Ireland, for the rest of England and Wales,

bar the odd shower, dry. Some spots up to 16 Celsius, that's going to

feel pleasant indeed. And the clearing skies tonight, temperatures

will dip initially so mid to low single figures in rural spots and

turning chilly, but notice this, another band of cloud and rain

heading in from the Atlantic as the night goes on. Showers following on

behind. All this is bringing the big weather change for tomorrow.

Tomorrow, it will be a very blustery day. Plenty of showers around.

Moving through quickly on the wind. The heaviest showers Northern

Ireland, Northern England, Scotland, snow to the tops of the hills.

Factor in the wind and it wemp tures like this, it is going to feel

colder. For many of us, we are not going to make it into double figures

tomorrow and we will be struggling on Thursday and Friday and the

weekend not looking much better, but sunshine in between the showers.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn is calling for a crackdown

on the use of British overseas territories and dependencies

The latest revelations from the leak of millions of documents

from a Panamanian law firm also reveal how international sanctions

Also, reform parental leave and encourage men to take it, the

message from the former culture Secretary Maria Miller a year after

shared parental leave came into force. We will speak to her and some

dads who took parental leave. And Stones fans will definitely be

satisfied as hundreds of the iconic band's artefacts go

on display in London - they chronicle more than just

the group's 54-year music career. The rock band has a cultural history

place, because as you walk through this exhibition, you can see

it goes through all these different eras and all these different things

have happened around the rock band, so to speak, so it becomes more

than just being a rock band. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary David Cameron is coming under

pressure to do more to stop British overseas territories and Crown

dependencies being used by wealthy people trying to reduce

their tax bills. The leak of millions of documents

from a Panamanian law firm has revealed that more than half

of the 200,000 secret companies set up by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca

were registered in the British In a speech later today,

the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will say there can't be "one set

of rules for the wealthy elite In Iceland, thousands of people

gathered outside parliament demanding the Prime Minister step

down over allegations he concealed Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson

earlier refused to resign, saying no rules were broken and his

wife did not benefit financially. The Business Secretary Sajid Javid

is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta - a potential buyer of

the Port Talbot steelworks - today before flying to India

this evening for talks Mr Javid is currently

at a meeting in Downing Street with David Cameron, George Osborne,

Carwyn Jones and Alun Cairns, the MP for the Vale of Glamorgan,

to discuss the future A woman from Northern Ireland has

been given a suspended prison sentence after she bought

abortion pills online. Belfast Crown Court heard

that the woman, who was 19 at the time, couldn't raise enough

money to travel to England She was reported to the police when

her housemates found the foetus in a bin. Catherine O'Brien is from the

British pregnancy advisory service. We hear from women every day and the

women from Northern Ireland every day in our clinics, and it is

heartbreaking to see these women forced to travel, women with lives,

with children, with responsibilities at home, and the fact that their

Government is forcing them at such huge personal and financial cost to

travel abroad, it is heartbreaking for our staff to see.

New regulations come into force this week to target problem gambling.

The clampdown in England, Wales and Scotland will force every

bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

showing they've thought about what they can do

Steven was addicted to Fixed Odds Betting Terminals

for a decade, where he was losing up to ?1000 a week.

At my lowest point I was very depressed.

It got worse because there were no support services to help me.

I was very alone, I kept it away from my family and friends

I think anybody watching this show would be very surprised right now.

Yes, I think that is why I was able to carry on,

I kept it well hidden for the best part of ten years.

GP practices are struggling to offer enough appointments to meet patient

demand, doctors' leaders have warned.

Surgeries are increasingly relying on support from locum doctors

but a poll for the British Medical Association suggests that just under

half frequently have trouble finding cover.

The Government says that it's provided more money to recruit extra

GPs which is already having an effect.

Fewer parents than expected are choosing to take shared parental

leave after the birth or adoption of a child.

According to the My Family Care study, half of fathers chose not

to take leave because they were worried about career progression,

but the former Culture Secretary Maria Miller has told this programme

that the Government needs to reform parental leave more quickly

or risk skilled women missing out on top jobs.

We'll be hearing from Maria Miller, and parents who have

all shared their parental leave, just after 10.30 here

on the Victoria Derbyshire programme.

Two of the Queen's official residences are to get a ?37-million

Work will begin next year on Windsor Castle and the Palace

The renovations will be paid for by the Royal Collection Trust,

with money raised from admissions to royal residences,

including Buckingham Palace, and gift shop takings.

Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is stepping down as a judge on the X Factor

again when the show returns later this year.

She's the latest change to the line-up after fellow judge

Nick Grimshaw said he was leaving the show as well.

Presenters Olly Murs and Caroline Flack will also be

replaced by Dermot O'Leary, who's returning after a year away.

Cheryl said she's had an amazing experience on the X Factor but has

In response, Simon Cowell said he understand her commitment

That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

We will be speaking to Jeremy Corbyn in a few moments with his views on

the tax avoidance story that we have been covering on the programme. We

will bring you that shortly. First, let's catch up with the sport.

Some good news from the world of boxing?

Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken from his induced coma.

He suffered a bleed on his skull following his British title fight

with Chris Eubank Junior just over a week ago.

Blackwell's promoter Hennessey Sports says he was talking

to family and friends at his hospital bedside this weekend.

Now Eubank Junior is keen to visit him.

I have just got the news that Nick Blackwell has finally woken out

A message to you, Nick, I would love to come down

to the hospital to see you, if that is possible,

if that is cool with you and your family.

I have got something for you, so let me know, man.

He's been described as a task-master and a drill sergeant.

Reknowned disciplinarian Antonio Conte is the new head

He'll start in the summer after leading his national side

As boss of Italian club Juventus, Conte won the Serie A league title

Former England women put for manager Hope Powell has joined the FA's

coaching department. She is the first woman coach educator to work

for the football union and will help professional male and female players

become coaches in the future. Powell coached the national side that 15

years before being sacked in 2013 and was the first woman to achieve

the highest Uefa coaching level. England's Joe Marler has insisted

he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

hearing this afternoon, for calling the Wales player

Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

saying he would accept What I said to Samson

was out of order and wrong, Details of an independent inquiry

into UK Anti-Doping are expected It's in response to allegations

a doctor prescribed performance-enhancing

drugs to 150 athletes. Kenya, meanwhile, could move

closer to a possible ban The country had a deadline

to improve its anti-doping procedures and demonstrate

that they are tackling cheating in sport, but the World Anti-Doping

Agency is expected to find them The Masters in Augusta gets

underway on Thursday, and Rory McIlory looks to be warming

up for the tournament in some style after landing a hole-in-one

at a practice round. Now unfortunately cameras only

picked up McIlroy actually picking the ball up from the 16th hole,

so you'll have to take our The world number three, though,

made one lucky fan's day when he signed

the ball and gave it Someone must have footage of that

somewhere, with all of the mobile phones around! But unfortunately we

don't! I will be back with the headlines at 10:30am.

You are right, I am sure we will see it at some stage!

The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is calling for the UK to take action

against the use of British overseas territories and dependencies

The leak of millions of documents from a Panamanian law firm has

revealed the rich and powerful globally hiding their wealth

More than half of the 200,000 secret companies set up

by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca were registered in the British Virgin

We will speak to Jeremy Corbyn in the next few minutes.

The latest revelations also show that Mossack Fonseca kept clients

who became subject to international sanctions.

They included companies linked to North Korea's nuclear weapons

programme, and a close relative of Syria's President Assad.

Prosecutors in Panama say they will launch a criminal

Many of you have already told us you're far from surprised at these

revelations - and whilst it may all sound like big money swirling

around amongst the rich and completely remote

from your own life, there is a key reason to care.

If the world's most powerful people are paying less tax that means

there is less money going into the Government to pay

for things like schools, hospitals, road-building programmes, etc.

And that's why the Prime Minister is being urged to take action.

We can speak with our assistant political editor Norman Smith

who is in Harlow in Essex where the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn

is due to give a speech on tax avoidance.

Thank you, Mr Corbyn is in a cafe meeting local members of the

community in Harlow, but all of the papers today focused on this big

story about tax avoidance, David Cameron of course being sucked into

this because of his father, Ian Cameron, who the leaks disclose had

an offshore fund in the Bahamas, the Government coming under pressure to

be seen to be doing more to crack down on tax of Asian and tax

avoidance. Speaking to Downing Street broke this morning, they have

defended their response so far -- tax evasion. They said the Prime

Minister has sought to introduce a register of beneficial ownerships,

so you can see who owns companies, they have sought a ban of things

which provide people with anonymity, said they take the view they have

done it all blood but there is growing momentum to do more. I am

hoping we can grab Mr Corbyn in a few seconds if he would be good

enough to come over here, but we might just have to pan a bit

otherwise I may have to walk over and grab him if he is not ready to

come over. Corbyn? Mr Corbyn, could I grab a word with you if you want

to sit down over here, please? Thank you very much. Labour Leader Jeremy

Corbyn just joining us, here for the Labour local election launch, but

you have had strong words to say following the leaks from Panama

about extensive tax avoidance that appears to have emerged there. You

have said that you think the Government is paying lip service to

tackling this. What do you mean by that? We have got revelations of tax

avoidance on an industrial scale, companies being set up in the

British Virgin Islands then moving across to Panama, not paying any tax

anywhere, and in the case of the British Virgin Islands it is a

British colonial dependent territory, so surely to goodness we

can at least have stopped tax evasion and avoidance in British

controlled territories? This has to be addressed. This is money that is

taken from our health service, our local services, from people that

needed to losing out because of tax avoidance. So what should the do?

You say tax avoidance is happening in British Overseas Territories and

dependencies, what do you want the Government to do to stop that? And

examination of those who have placed money that you appear to have done

it to avoid tax, and come after them to collect that tax back. We need to

properly resourced and fund the HMRC, the revenues and custom

servers, so that they have the staff to go after these people and

investigate this, but secondly said to the Government, those who

administer the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, and number

of other places, hang on, you are a government of a British dependent

territory, a Crown territory, you must abide by UK tax law, you must

not become a harbour the tax avoidance and tax evasion and the

more revelations come out about this Panama bank, the more murky it all

becomes. We heard from the former Liberal Democrat Business Secretary

Vince Cable last night who said the Government should oppose direct rule

on his British Overseas Territories and dependencies, do you agree with

that? That is what was done during the financial crisis where direct

rule was opposed, I don't particularly have a problem with

that because of the local Government in the area, the government of those

places, is going to condone this level of companies and tax avoidance

and tax evasion, of money that has been made in Britain through

business trading saw investment in Britain, then that is something that

has to be considered. I suppose the difficulty is these are

self-governing autonomous jurisdictions, so it would be an

enormous, presumably very complex, legal step for the British

Government to say, we are taking charge? But the point is they are

not independent territories, they are self-governing, yes, but they

are British Crown dependent territories, therefore, surely, that

has to be observant of UK tax law in those places. If they have become a

place for systematic evasion and short-changing of the public in this

country, then something has to be done. Either those governments

comply, or some next step has to be taken. And that's next step would be

direct will? What sort of time frame? It can be done quickly if

that is what the Government decides to do. From the UK? It can be done

almost immediately. The point is those dependent territories have got

to understand the anger of people in this country when they read of this

industrial scale of tax avoidance and evasion. What do you say to

Number Ten, you say, hang on, Britain has been in the lead, we

have done more than any other country in the world in terms of

trying to ensure greater transparency?

Well, saying you are in the lead and being in the lead are often two

entirely different things. Yes, there has been good rhetoric and

yes, there has been good statements, but the revelations from one legal

firm in Panama of evasion in Panama and the link to British dependant

territories because of that tends to indicate that they are talking a

great deal, but not walking much. Mr Cameron's name crops up again and

again because of his father. Do you think Mr Cameron has questions to

answer personally? Well, there are questions that have been placed

there about his family's estate and about his father's investments. They

must be part of that investigation. The investigation must be

independent, fast, thorough and fair so that we get to the bottom of

this, but people that have made a great deal of money over decades, by

sieve fonding their wealth out of Britain, putting it in a tax haven

somewhere around the world are actually short changing the people

of this country. I know you have got to rush. Let me ask you one more if

I may. Mr Cameron had previously talked about publishing his tax

returns. Now that hasn't happened. Would you publish your tax returns

and do you think ministers should publish their tax returns? I have no

problem whatsoever in publishing my tax returns as indeed most other

people don't because... And you would do that? My income is what I

earn as a member of Parliament. What do you think ministers should do

because there is an argument to say it is a confidential matter, a

private matter, tax affairs are about personal matters? Well, I

think we need to know where somebody's income comes from and in

that sense it should be open and above board because the public need

to have confidence that their representatives in Parliament, their

representatives, their ministers are getting their income from honest and

open sources as members of Parliament.

Mr Corbyn, thank you. I know your minders are telling me to wind up

and you have a local election launch and I will let you get off to that.

Interesting there Mr Corbyn suggesting some form of the direct

rule should be considered of these overseas territories to ensure they

comply with British tax rules and saying, of course, interesting he

would be happy to publish his tax returns and urging ministers to do

the same. So I suppose the story which started out really as a

scandal about leaks, it is becoming increasingly political now.

Thank you, Norman. Still to come: Sentenced

in Northern Ireland We'll bring you the story of a woman

to be given such a penalty The final members of an organised

crime gang will be sentenced later for a series of museum raids that

police say amounted to far more than the total stolen

at Hatton Gardens. Other members of the gang

were jailed for between four and six years and eight months yesterday,

after plotting to steal rhino horn and Chinese artefacts worth up

to ?57 million in a series Rhino horn is worth more

than gold and cocaine. Our correspondent Jo Black

is at Birmingham Crown Court. Jo tell us what they have been found

guilty of? Good morning, Joanna. This is day two of sentencing at

Birmingham Crown Court. The gang, 14 strong, were found guilty of

conspiracy to steal and this, these convictions took place over three

trials. The media weren't allowed to report until they had concluded.

They concluded at the end of February. Then the reporting

restrictions were lifted and of course, the sentencing is taking

place. There was some sentences yesterday for seven of the gang.

Sentences handed down for four years for one defendant and six years and

eight months for another defendant. Today we have another six defendants

appearing and they will be sentenced. If you speak to the

detectives involved in this case, and I have one of them here with me,

and I will speak to him in a moment, but they will tell you the items

stolen, the value of those dwarfed what happened at the hat on Garden

heist in London. Conservative estimates say the artefacts taken

were around ?18 million, but police think that they could have fetched

around three times that amount on the booming Chinese auction market.

Well, Direct agree Green is with me now. Let's have a little chat

with him. This is a very complicated case for you? Very complicated. It

has taken four years to get to this point. It has been an international

investigation and involved all the law enforcement agencies in the UK

and abroad to piece together what happened so we could get the

convictions. These were the masterminds. The guys who did the

smash and grabs and went into the museums and took the artefacts, they

have been dealt with by local police forces, these were the masterminds,

the judge said it was a sophisticated operation, but there

were bungling attempts to snatch stuff, at the Norwich Asle Museum

they tried to steal a rhino head and couldn't do it. 16 people have been

convicted for these burglaries, they smashed a cabinet in Durham and lost

the items stolen from another Is dent in Durham and that's because of

the people that they -- incident in Durham and that's because of the

people they hireked and the fits William was a success for them, but

a tragedy for the UK. The fits William Museum in Cambridge was the

jackpot for the thieves, that's where they stole most of the items,

mainly jade? It is part of an international collection. The other

half is in the British Museum and it is a real tragedy and high value, 18

pieces and lost from the UK. Do you think people appreciate the value of

these items? We were saying they are conservative estimates of ?18

million, but they could have fetched three times that amount? Do you

think people appreciate the loss to the UK? I don't think they

appreciate the loss to the UK, but we have been working with the museum

sector and part of my terms of reference has been crime prevention,

we have done a lot of work with the museum sector and stately homes. No

rhino horn is on display and museums have ramped up security, but that's

come at a cost and unfortunately that will transfer on to the public

again. Detective Green, thank you very much

indeed. Museums have ramped up security as a result of this case

and as I say, six more defendants will be sentenced in the next half

an hour. Thanks, Jo.

Christopher Marinello, runs Art Recovery International,

How would you describe the loss here? This is a major cultural loss

for the United Kingdom. These pieces may not be seen again for another

generation. And obviously with the rhino horn, it is not wanted for its

artistic, anything artistic, it is about grinding it down and using it

in alternative medicine. The value for that is extraordinary? That's

right. It is almost like cocaine. They will grind it down and use it

for medicinal purposes. It does nothing and the Chinese authorities

could come out and make a pronunciation and say, "Look, you

are wasting your money and stop this trade from happening." But they

won't. Is this all about a Chinese market for these things? It is all

China. The rhino horn is prized in China and the jade right now, the

Chinese stock market is in flux and Chinese, wealthy Chinese are looking

for a hedge and it is the jade that they really prize.

Is st stolen to order? Are these things stolen because it is known

that there is a market for nem? There are middle men, fences, who

have contacts and know where to get rid of this stuff. So the rovers

that were arrested in this raid had contacts with people who could

quickly turn these items into cash in Hong Kong and in China. How is

there a market? It is stolen goods. Are people aware that what they are

buying is something that's stolen? Well, that's the thing. We run a

database called the Art Claim Database that people should be

checking before they buy or sell these items so they can check if

they are stolen, the Chinese market is reluctant to do that. It is hard

enough to get the market in the UK and the western world to do due

diligence, but China and other eastern countries, it is almost

nonexistent. Christopher, thank you very much.

Still to come: Rolling Stones fans will get more than they want

and need as the first ever exhibition on one of the most famous

The England prop Joe Marler faces an independent World Rugby

misconduct hearing this afternoon, for using a racial slur

towards Wales prop, Samson Lee, during a Six Nations

The phrase he used was "gypsy boy", an offensive term to many

Well, Six Nations organisers had ruled Marler would not be punished

for his comments but World Rugby, which governs the international

game say it "amounts to misconduct and/or a breach"

He has apologised on Twitter, saying that "one mistake" doesn't

And that he'll accept whatever punishment is handed to him.

We can speak now to Billy Joe Saunders, the world middleweight

champion boxer, who is from the traveller community.

Thank you very much for coming in and talking to us about this. A

pleasure. Do you find a term like that offensive? In our culture we

have had this most of our life. It has not been so bad in the last few

years, you know, but when you get it on social media by, I like to call

them Twitter trolls, Facebook trolls, it doesn't mean as much, but

when you get it in sport, you know, that's just not, it is not

acceptable. Any racism in any sport and we find that racism. Have you

had it much? I have had all my life mostly, but I have never had it in

my sport by another sportsman. I was a fan of rugby and I speak on behalf

of probably of the travelling gypsy community out there that probably, I

probably won't watch England play rugby anymore. There are words that

people just won't use, it is universally accepted that they are

offensive terms. Do you think that this phrase using the word, "Gypsy"

In an offensive way isn't regarded by some in a certain way because it

is not had the same level of awareness perhaps as other terms?

Well, yeah, I mean, I feel that this should be a big part of racism. I

mean, just for an example a friend of mine on Facebook, she was friends

with someone and got chucked off Facebook because they used a term,

"Piky" It shows that it is, you know, it is catching it elsewhere,

but this is not acceptable in sport and especially not at the standard

of England professional rugby player. It should never be using

that language. Joe Marler says it was a misguided remark and he has

been warned and he will conduct himself differently in future. It is

obviously an issue that's been looked at. In terms of it becoming

something discussed as a result of what he said, do you think it could

end up actually having a positive outcome and making people aware of

the sensitivities and how much upset something like this can cause? Most

definitely. Other people will think twice before using the term in an

offensive way, but you know, like I say, there is no room for any racism

in our sport. Especially not the standard that he's playing at. To be

fair, I have spoken to a couple of people and another friend of mine

Tyson Fury was on the phone last night and was talking about it, we

are both disgusted over it. Tyson Fury talked about home sexuality in

a way people find offensive. Do you think sometimes people don't

necessarily apply their own sensitivities about something that

affects them to other people. I think some people say stuff in the

moment, but you know, just because of the colour of your skin or what

background you're from, it doesn't mean we are different from anybody

else. We are all human beings and everybody makes mistakes, but you

know not on TV and in a big game like that, you don't, you just

don't, it is not acceptable, I don't think. Nick Blackwell, you are a

friend of his and he is out of a coma? Yes, he has been out since

Saturday. A big relief. I'm very happy. People ask me all the time

how was he? I spoke to his dad a couple of times or once and a couple

of his friends, but at a time like this, the family needs a little bit

of space from, you know, I know people are concerned how he is and

that, but they have, it is a big shock to the family and I think they

need a little bit of space to take in what happened. Chris Eubank

Junior wants a rematch, would you do it? Listen, I have beaten him once,

I have got no problem giving him a rematch, but they are a headache to

deal with. I'm up there at the minute and he is chasing me. So I

suppose another win or two for him at high calibre opponents and maybe

we can do business. All right, watch this space. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Why are so few dads taking shared

parental leave a year after it was introduced? Former culture secretary

says it does note -- does not go far enough, we will speak to her and

some doubts have taken it up. Mick Jagger tells us that the

Rolling Stones are the greatest band in rock history, we will speak to

him and the rest of the band as a new exhibition charting their opened

in London. Maxine Mawhinney is

in the BBC Newsroom. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has

told this programme that investigators have to 'get

to the bottom' of the offshore It follows the leak of millions

of documents from a Panamanian law firm showing that more than half

of the 200,000 secret companies set up by the lawyers

Mossack Fonseca were registered Mr Corbyn is claiming there is "one

set of rules for the wealthy elite They are not independent

territories, they are self-governing, yes, but they are

British Crown dependent territories, so surely there has to be an

observance of UK tax law in those places. If they have become a place

for systematic evasion and short-changing of the public in this

country, then something has to be done about it.

The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta -

a potential buyer of the Port Talbot steelworks -

today before flying to India this evening for talks with the chairman

of Tata group, the current owner of the loss-making plant.

The First Minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones, is at Number Ten today

for talks on the steel crisis with David Cameron.

The Prime Minister and I have committed to regular meetings as the

situation develops. It was heartening to hear that nothing is

off the table, there was acceptance of the issues that need to be looked

at in order for the sale to take place, the issue of energy prices

will have to be looked at, and indeed the issue of tariffs to

protect UK steel in the future. Discussions have taken place with

buyers, it is early days yet but we do have something to build on even

at this early stage. A 13-year-old boy who went missing

two days ago has been found safe James Whalley was last seen

by his family at home in Holcombe The police wouldn't say

where he was found, or by whom. Two of the Queen's official

residences are to get Work will begin next year

on Windsor Castle and the Palace The renovations will be paid

for by the Royal Collection Trust, with money raised from admissions

to royal residences, including Buckingham Palace,

and gift shop takings. That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken

from his induced coma. He suffered a bleed on his skull

following his British title fight with Chris Eubank Junior

just over a week ago. Blackwell's promoter

Hennessey Sports says he was talking to family and friends

as his bedside this weekend. Now, Eubank Junior

is keen to visit him. Antonio Conte is the new

head coach at Chelsea. He'll start in the summer

after leading his national side As boss of Italian club Juventus,

Conte won the Serie A league title Former England women football

manager Hope Powell has joined the Professional Football

Association's coaching department. Powell is the first woman coach

educator to work for the football union, and will help professional

male and female players become England's Joe Marler has insisted

he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

hearing this afternoon for calling the Wales player

Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

saying he would accept That is all the sport for this

morning. The former Culture Secretary

has told this programme that the Government needs to reform

parental leave more quickly, or risk skilled women

missing out on top jobs. Maria Miller, who now chairs

the Women and Equalities Committee, says some men are still reluctant

to take part in it. It comes a year to the day that

parents were first allowed to share time off from work after the birth

or adoption of their child. Up to 50 weeks of leave -

37 weeks of which is paid - There are no official figures

for how many parents have taken up the deal,

but the Government predicts We can talk to some parents

who all shared their parental leave. Mark Smith, who only went

back to work on Monday. The only one on the set without a

baby this morning! Ben Dixon and partner

Eleanor Hoyle, who are here with their seven-month-old

baby Isaac. And Adam Shoesmith, who's

here with baby Edwin, Ben and Aluna, how did it work? When

I was pregnant, it was being advertised and we thought, that is a

great idea, let's see if it will work for us. We both work in the

public sector and our employers had good policies, it made sense for us

financially. Ben got to have some time at home with Isaac. For me, it

was more a question of, why wouldn't I do it? If he had been born one

year ago I would not have had the option, I would have had to go back

to work. So you didn't need persuading? Not really, no. For me,

I would rather be sitting singing Wind Of The Bobbin Up than whatever

I did at work! It was a no-brainer, really. Digital have any concerns

about the impact of parental leave your career? -- did either of you

have? Not really, we spoke to our employers about how we would do it,

how it would work, we had keeping in touch days if we needed to do that

during our leave, but absolutely not, if you want to do it then you

should, you should talk to your employer about it and raise those

concerns if you have them. Adam, you have Edwin with you, you are holding

the pool, obviously. What did you end up doing? My wife and I had a

discussion when we found that she was expecting, she loves her job and

wanted to go back. The other thing I did was to speak to a lot of dads,

whether their child was one-year-old, six, 16, everybody

says there is so much change in the first year and if they could have

their time again they would take some time off. For me, taking six

months out of my career, given that I may have another 30, 40 years of

work to go, it was a no-brainer decision, it was easy to make and

I'm towards the end of my leave, I'm glad I have done it. How have others

around you seen it? They have been positive and supportive. I guess one

of the issues is that the mother goes back to work, that has worked

out well for us, she just got a promotion so that has been

brilliant. Both of our employers have been really positive and

supportive. It was the first and they had been through it but they

helped us, so that was good. Mark, you are senior in your company, you

have done it, and for someone at your level in particular it sends

out quite a message to the firm? I work for a very progressive

organisation, we came up with a package where I get full salary and

benefits the 32 weeks. I hope to be a role model, to be a person who can

say, you can do it. Our organisation is absolutely committed to be able

to do it, and I can say that it is not detrimental to your career, we

are promoting some people who are off on shared parental leave at the

moment. Had you come across anyone who has raised any concerns about

career? It is expected there will be owned both take-up of this, two to

8% of people who are eligible, and career concerns are cited as one of

the issues. Absolutely, people do, the same as any decisions you are

making, it is a big decision, changing some priorities in your

life. I wanted to spend the first year, as much as I could, with my

son. I think people think about it initially, but we can reassure them

that it is OK, it will not impact their career. Let's go to Maria

Miller, former culture secretary and Conservative MP. Thank you for

joining us, we are joined in the studio by people who see the very

positive side of this, but the take-up is expected to be between

two and 8%, are you disappointed with that? It is great to hear how

well the policy is working for the fathers you have got in the studio

today, and how well it is working for their partners as well. This

policy was always going to be a first step in the right direction,

and what the Government really needs to do now is to seize the

opportunity of record numbers of women in work, we have got more

women than ever before coming out of universities with the best

degrees, we need to press forward with the modernisation of the

workplace and make sure shared parental leave for work for more