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I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome to the programme. | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
Junior doctors have started their fourth strike this year | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
in a row with the Government over the new contract. | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Also this morning, a soldier who received the George Medal | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
for acts of bravery in Iraq tells us he feels abandoned by the army. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
I didn't think it would affect me because it didn't feel reality | :00:29. | :00:37. | |
at the time and obviously a year it sinks in and your depression kicks | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
in and your drinking, but you don't realise you're | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
changing, but other people see you are. | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
And, Britain spends more on foreign aid that | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
This morning we really want to hear your views, | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
and we'll hear the arguments for and against just after 9:30am. | :00:55. | :01:09. | |
We're live every weekday morning until 11am. | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
As always, throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
news and developing stories and, as always, we're really keen | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE, and if you text, you will be charged | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
And don't forget, if you've got a story you think we should be | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
Some of our best stories come from you, our viewers. | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
Junior doctors in England have begun another 48-hour strike, the fourth | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
stoppage in their protracted dispute over new contracts. | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
From 8am junior hospital doctors will be providing | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
emergency care only, so A services will be unaffected. | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
But scheduled operations and treatments are likely to be hit | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
and about 5,000 operations have been cancelled already. | :01:55. | :02:02. | |
Once again, hospitals in England have had to brace themselves | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
for another walk-out by junior doctors, a 48-hour strike | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
for everything apart from emergency care. | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
But NHS chiefs are confident patients will be safe. | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
We have been working very closely with hospitals, | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
to ensure that robust plans are in place to minimise | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Nevertheless, we will see some operations cancelled. | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
We think that will be in the region of around 5,000 operations. | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
The dispute, which is over a new contract the Government | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
is imposing on junior doctors, has become more | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
The latest strike runs from 8am today until 8am on Friday. | :02:38. | :02:47. | |
It is the fourth strike since January, and as a result more | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
than 24,000 operations and procedures have had | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
But doctors' leaders say that, while they regret the disruption, | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
The Government has every opportunity to stop industrial action, | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
if it would get around the table and talk to us. | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
Unfortunately, the Government refuses to do so. | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
Therefore, the Government has ultimately said | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
that they are basically pushing us into action. | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
The Government, however, is adamant the new contract | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
will lead to safer patient care, and help create | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
There is no sign of this dispute ending. | :03:19. | :03:32. | |
The next strike planned for later this month will be | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
a complete walk-out by junior doctors, including emergency care, | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
for the first time in the history of the NHS. | :03:40. | :03:51. | |
Let's get some reaction live from the picket line. | :03:52. | :04:02. | |
You can hear them behind me, the junior doctors who are here, in the | :04:03. | :04:12. | |
same position as in January, February and March. 24,000 | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
operations and procedures cancelled and postponed over the strike | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
action, but is it really worth it? The contract is still going ahead, | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
as of August this year. 24,000 operations and procedures | :04:24. | :04:34. | |
cancelled since the strikes have begun, is it really worth it? Should | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
you be putting patient in the middle? No doctor wants to harm any | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
patients, that is why we have got senior doctor cover providing | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
emergency care to make sure the NHS is safe. Nobody wants to have any | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
operations cancelled if we can avoid it, but if this contract is imposed, | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
what we are seeing on strike days, operations cancelled, would become | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
the norm, there would be so many rota gaps, because this contract is | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
toxic. We are sorry that operations are cancelled, but we are doing this | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
to prevent this becoming the norm in the longer run. You work in accident | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
and emergency, we are hearing all the time that units are stretched, | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
and yet you are planning on walking out of the most pressurised areas of | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
hospitals. Is this really responsible? We are making sure it | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
is safe, because our senior consultants and staff grade | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
colleagues will be providing good quality emergency care. Junior | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
doctors have been backed into this, the Government is not listening, | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
despite industrial action. It is not too late to stop them imposing this, | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
come back to the table and let's work out a contract that will be | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
safe for the NHS in the future. It will be toxic in many ways, on rotas | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
and on women. But patients are in the middle of this. Will the public | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
carry on supporting you if you carry on striking? The public value their | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
NHS and understand we are doing this to save the NHS in the long term, so | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
it will be there. The public will continue to support this. We are | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
sorry for any inconvenience, that we need to look at this over the long | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
term. If the contract is imposed, and they will stretch an already | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
stretched NHS over seven days, it. Crumbling. We must protect it, that | :06:38. | :06:46. | |
is what the doctors are here for. As you can see, still a very passionate | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
picket line, even for the fourth time. The Government says that the | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
contract must come into force for a better seven-day service across the | :07:00. | :07:00. | |
NHS. Let us know what you think of that. | :07:01. | :07:11. | |
All of the usual ways of getting in touch. | :07:12. | :07:12. | |
Maxine is in the BBC Newsroom and has more on that and a summary | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
process of the steelworks in Port Talbot. | :07:21. | :07:21. | |
It comes as he arrives in Mumbai for talks with the chairman | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
It's the first time the pair have met since the company announced | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
it was to sell its UK assets a week ago. | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
The Business Secretary had talks in London today over plans to save the | :07:32. | :07:40. | |
plant. It is thought Tata wants to sell the loss-making plant as soon | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
as possible. The Business Secretary is expected to press for | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
reassurances on terms of the sale. What is the best he can expect? In | :07:49. | :08:01. | |
this building behind me, the headquarters of Tata, we are | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
expecting the meeting to take place in a couple of hours. I have spoken | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
to Tata, the Government has sent out an assurance that the process of | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
sale they will follow for the UK operations will be John Tarrant and | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
thorough. The Business Secretary will seek assurances that whatever | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
takeover deal is signed, it will not result in mass job losses. Tata | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
employ 15,000 workers in the UK. The Business Secretary met with union | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
workers in London, they have sent a message through him, they expect | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
Tata to be a responsible seller and they want Tata to spell out what | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
time frame it is looking at. Tata is not answering the question, but they | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
want to do this as quickly as possible. | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
The new president of Fifa, Gianni Infantino, is the latest | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
prominent name to be linked with the leaking of financial | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
When he worked at European football's governing body Uefa, | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
he's said to have approved a contract for television rights | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
in 2006 with two businessmen, who have since been indicted | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
Mr Infantino and Uefa say they've done nothing wrong. | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
Iceland's coalition government has suggested it could seek early | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
elections, amid continuing anger a day after the prime | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, whose involvement with an offshore | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
company was revealed by the Panama Papers, | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
has denied that he resigned, saying he's handed over | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
to his deputy for an unspecified period. | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
A former soldier who became one of the youngest people ever | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car. | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31, | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
has post-traumatic stress disorder and says he feels | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
And you can hear his story coming up on the programme | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
Donald Trump's Presidential campaign has been dealt a serious blow | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
after he lost out to his main rival Ted Cruz in the key American | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
Donald Trump still leads in the race to become the Republican Party's | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
nominee, but his chances of winning outright are now much slimmer. | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
And in the Democratic primary, the socialist senator from Vermont, | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
Bernie Sanders, beat Hilary Clinton. | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
The next president of the United States, Ted Cruz. | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
Victory for the Senator from Texas in Wisconsin, one with the backing | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
of the Republican Party establishment he loathes. | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
Tonight, Wisconsin has lit a candle, guiding the way forward. | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
Tonight, we once again have hope for the future. | :10:47. | :10:55. | |
It has been a bad week for Donald Trump, flip-flopping | :10:56. | :10:55. | |
on abortion, his campaign manager indicted for manhandling | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
We could have a big surprise tonight, folks, big surprise. | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
That resoundingly wrong prediction another misstep, in | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
a campaign getting its first taste of real failure. | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
Wisconsin voters also delivered a boost to the underdog in the race | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
for the Democratic nomination, the self-declared socialist | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
Bernie Sanders winning his seventh contest out of the last eight. | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
We have a path toward victory, a path toward the White House. | :11:25. | :11:35. | |
Despite losing Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton is still way | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
ahead on the numbers, looking to battles in | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
New York and California to finish the job. | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
But for the Republicans, they could well be heading | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
for a damaging and divisive showdown at the summer convention, | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
Dogs over eight weeks old must be fitted with microchips from today. | :11:53. | :12:05. | |
A law which has been operating in Northern Ireland since 2012 | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
now applies in England, Scotland and Wales. | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
Owners who fail to comply could be fined ?500, | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
but the Government estimates more than a million dogs | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
Coming up in the next few minutes, we'll bring you the full moving | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
interview with Daniel Smith, who served in Iraq and risked his | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
own life to try and rescue some of his colleagues who'd been blown | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
up in a roadside bomb, and is now effectively homeless | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
He has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and feels he's been | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
If you or a member of your family has served in the army and has | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
PTSD, do get in touch and share your experiences. | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
But first, Jessica has the sport and more on the return of Rangers | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
I am sure there are a few Rangers fans with a few saw heads. | :12:59. | :13:10. | |
It's taken them four years, but last night Rangers | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
secured their place back in Scottish football's top flight. | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
Their 1-0 win over Dumbarton means they will be playing | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
in the Premiership next season as manager Mark Warburton ensured | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
promotion in his opening season with the club. | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
In front of almost 50,000 fans at Ibrox, James Tavenier's | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
second-half goal was a bright spark in what's been a turbulent | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
To give this some context, Rangers were punished for going | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
into liquidation four years ago, and were demoted to the bottom tier | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
Talking of bright sparks, Luis Suarez was the star of the show | :13:38. | :13:45. | |
in Barcelona's Champions League quarter-final comeback | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
Barcelona were a goal down at half time, but two second-half goals | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
in ten minutes from Suarez ensured holders Barca have the advantage | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
It took Bayern Munich just two minutes to break down | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
Arturo Vidal's header was the only goal of the game | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
In tonight's matches, Manchester City are at | :14:07. | :14:14. | |
City will be boosted by the return of their goalkeeper Joe Hart | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
from injury as they go into their first Champions | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
The last two seasons we could not continue further in the competition, | :14:22. | :14:34. | |
because we played against Barcelona. We have improved this season. It is | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
a difficult game that we must play, but we have chances to continue. It | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
would be important for all of us. Italian prosecutors have called | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
for a six-month suspended prison sentence for new Chelsea boss | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
Antonio Conte, for his alleged It dates back to 2011 when Conte | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
was managing in Italian football. Conte has already served | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
a four-month suspension from the Italian Football | :14:58. | :14:58. | |
Federation for the offence, Currently in charge of the Italian | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
national side, Conte will take over as Chelsea manager after Euro 2016 | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
in the summer. England rugby union's Joe Marler has | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
been banned and fined for his "gypsy boy" comment to Wales' Samson Lee | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
during the Six Nations. Governing body World Rugby issued | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
Marler with the two-match ban and ?20,000 fine for the remark | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
to Lee, who's from the Marler insists he is not a racist | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
and has apologised to Lee. Come back at 10am when I will be | :15:24. | :15:39. | |
speaking to the former British boxer Audley Harrison to go talk about | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
that big heavyweight showdown between Anthony Joshua and Charles | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
Martin at the weekend. I look forward to that. | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
This morning a former soldier who became one of the youngest | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
people ever to receive the George medal for his bravery in Iraq tells | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
this programme he's now effectively homeless, | :16:00. | :16:00. | |
living in a car and feels let down by the armed forces. | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
In 2005, when he was 20, Fusilier Daniel Smith tried | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
to save the lives of colleagues twice within the same week | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
when his vehicle patrol was hit by roadside bombs in Iraq. | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
His Ministry of Defence citation said, "With no | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
regard for his own safety and with his focus firmly on saving | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
those in the vehicle, he commenced the evacuation | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
of the casualties from the burning chaos." | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31, | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
The charity Combat Stress tells us his story is all too common. | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
Our defence correspondent Jonathan Beale has been to meet | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
Fusilier Daniel Smith, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
Daniel Smith is one of the heroes of the Iraq War. | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
He was awarded the George Medal at Buckingham Palace for acts | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
of great bravery, saving the lives of injured comrades. | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
Then 21, he was one of the youngest soldiers to receive it. | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
And this should have been his day to remember. | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
At the time, he was suffering from PTSD - | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
On that day I did not really think much of it. | :17:08. | :17:18. | |
I was on medication anyway, so my mood and temperament | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
I was very snappy and angry at the time. | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
So how do you feel about the Army now? | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
I'm very bitter towards them at the minute. | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
I don't appreciate getting dumped to one side, in a way. | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
In 2005, when Daniel was deployed to Iraq, life for the British | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
This, one of the enduring images of the tide turning against them. | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
Daniel, too, had to rescue comrades from the burning | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
Out on patrol in lightly armoured snatch Land Rovers, | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
his unit was targeted and hit by roadside bombs. | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
His citation says, "With no regard for his own safety, | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
he rescued casualties from the burning chaos." | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
If I think back now, I didn't really care | :18:13. | :18:23. | |
I didn't know what I was getting into. | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
Yes, it was just one of those things where I just did | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
it because I had to, because I was team | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
You gather a lot of guilt, a lot of, "Did I do that right, | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
You put a lot of pressure on yourself. | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
I was young at the time and obviously newish. | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
So I held all that built-up hate that kind of in the bag... | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
Obviously, it went all a bit Pete Tong for me, really. | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
I did not really know who to talk to. | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
I don't think there was much help back then. | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
Because, now, PTSD is recognised, and back then it was not really much | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
It was more like, you pick yourself up and go. | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
I didn't really think it would would affect me. | :19:16. | :19:29. | |
At the time I got blown up, I did not think it would affect me. | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
Your depression kicks in, you're drinking. | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
You don't realise you're changing, but other people see you are. | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
And you become angry towards them - "I've changed?" | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
"You're the one that's changed," kind of thing. | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
He now spends a lot of time on his own. | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
The Army did provide treatment for Daniel including six weeks | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
But the flashbacks, anger and resentment did not go away. | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
He left the Army three years ago and has struggled ever since. | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
His marriage collapsed, he has been in and out of work, | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
I hate being around people most of the time, so I sometimes get up | :20:14. | :20:22. | |
here, or out of the way, stuff like that. | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
I have got my quilt and stuff in the back. | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
It's like a mobile house, if you know what I mean. | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
When I'm a bit depressed, I'd rather be alone, | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
He'll go and sleep in the car at nights because he doesn't | :20:39. | :20:47. | |
feel comfortable staying in a particular environment. | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
He has just been cast adrift, and that is the bit | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
As soon as he is discharged, they have let him go | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
Basically all they have done is put a sticking plaster | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
This is a problem that goes much deeper, as even he can show, | :21:06. | :21:16. | |
looking through old photos of the soldiers | :21:17. | :21:17. | |
He suffered a little bit with drinking. | :21:18. | :21:25. | |
You've got Harry, he killed himself not long after. | :21:26. | :21:37. | |
Are you worried about the future for Daniel? | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
Yeah. I can't see... | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
I can't see a long-term recovery. I hope there is. | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
But I think without treatment, without any support network | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
that he needs, and I think he needs it now, I do. | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
We'll hear more from Daniel's dad in just a moment, | :21:59. | :22:17. | |
You are getting in touch. Dave says, "I am a sufferer after 28 years | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
service in the Royal Marines." Stewart says, "Why is a man who | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
fought on behalf this country homeless? Give him a flat. .". | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
First our defence correspondent Jonahan Beale is here with us. | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
How big a problem is it? It is a problem and probably we don't know | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
the full-scale of the problem at the moment because often the symptoms | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
don't come out for time. There is no clear figure, but some research | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
suggests that since 1991, 700,000, more than 700,000 personnel have | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
gone through the military and as many as one in ten of those, that's | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
70,000 people, may have mental health problems. That's work carried | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
out by Professor Neil Greenberg. The MoD says the rates of PTSD are | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
similar to that of the civilian population, but clearly, research | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
has suggested those people who have been in combat situations like | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
Daniel, are more likely to get PTSD. Now, inside the military, there are | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
systems to care for people. There is, I think, an improvement, a | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
dramatic improvement in looking after people since Iraq and | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
Afghanistan over the last ten years looking for the warning signs. Every | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
time people came back from a deployment in Afghanistan, they | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
would go through a trim procedure and go through that sort of period | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
in Cyprus where warning signs were looked at, they were asked questions | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
and tried to make sure everybody sort of was mentally in the right | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
place. I think the big problem is when people move from the military | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
and this, I think, Daniel's story, from the military into civilian life | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
and suddenly they switch responsibility from the Ministry of | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
Defence to the National Health Service and notes get lost. They | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
look at, you know, what's on offer if they have got the symptoms of | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
PTSD and there are a plethora of charities and you know, which way do | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
you turn? Some of the charities don't offer treatments that are | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
recognised by medical experts. So it is very difficult for them. | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
Lease the Ministry of Defence saying about all of this? Well, the | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
Ministry of Defence makes the point that they have put a lot of money | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
into these charities, into charities like Combat Stress, money from the | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
LIBOR funds, more than ?2 million has gone into helping mental health. | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
They are having a system, a transition programme, where they are | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
trying to make sure that the medical records go from the Army into the | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
NHS so people have a record of what's gone on. But there are also | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
people, people like Johnny Mercer a MP, a former soldier who says what | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
really should happen we should have like America a veterans department | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
where there is a specific Government department looking after these | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
people when they move from military life into civilian life which is | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
where the problem really is most severe I'd say. Thank you, Jonathan. | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
Let's talk more now about Daniel Smith's case | :25:27. | :25:28. | |
Gary thank you very much for coming in to talk to us. We have seen | :25:29. | :25:38. | |
Jonathan's report and we heard from Gary who is obviously struggling a | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
great deal. Yes, he is. Going back to the start of the report and the | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
moment that he was at Buckingham Palace being honoured by Prince | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
Charles with the Gorge Medal, the youngest soldier to get it, you were | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
there at the Palace that day, how were you feeling? Oh, immensely | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
proud. Immensely proud. I didn't think that years later in 2016 we | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
would be discussing it in this way unfortunately. But it is probably | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
the reason why that we're in this situation that we are able to talk | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
about it because we can use that as an example of at the time the Army | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
wanted to put him on to pedestal which was great, but now, they | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
really need to, I think, help him as well which at the moment I don't | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
think they are. You say he was put on a pedestal. We heard from him in | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
our report. He didn't see it that way, did he on the day? No, he never | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
has. Did you know what was going on in his head at that time? No, no, | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
not really, not at all because a lot of the instances that he has gone | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
through, he has been very quiet about. Even the operations since he | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
left the army, he has been very, very quiet about and he feels a | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
little bit embarrassed, let down, I don't know what you would like to | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
call it really, but he does, he is in desperate need of help at the | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
moment. I mean, he is still battling with the Army to try and get | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
recognised for the level of compensation that he was due which | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
is ridiculous. Which tells me that they still don't understand the PTSD | :27:24. | :27:33. | |
levels. He is clinically been proven that, it is a permanent problem, but | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
they're still saying he can get better. We've got that argument | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
going on at the moment which is ten, 11 years down the line, it is | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
ridiculous. So whilst they are making fantastic in-roads into | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
recognising PTSD, I still think they don't fully understand it yet. | :27:55. | :28:01. | |
Certainly, the categories that of levels of PDSD and it is the early | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
warning signs which I hope they're picking up in the Army now, I'm not | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
sure whether they are, but society is left to deal with the problems | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
that they leave behind. Tell us more about how your son, effectively, I | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
guess you could describe it as being disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. The boy | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
that went into the Army compared with the man that came out. Yeah, I | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
mean, he is very changed. Even when he was in the Army, when he went | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
through this, the conflict, the problems that he has it, the blowing | :28:39. | :28:47. | |
up incidents etcetera, he has changed dramatically and he is never | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
going to get back to the way he used to be. You heard in the clip there | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
that you know, his marriage has failed. And all of that has been | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
after, after all of this. And I really do worry about the future for | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
him to be quite honest with you. But like Johnny was saying earlier, the | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
actual the mechanism when they're coming out of the Army, there | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
doesn't seem to be any assessment and certainly any support network | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
when they get out into what I would call civvy street. They don't seem | :29:29. | :29:36. | |
to get any support with getting employment too much because | :29:37. | :29:44. | |
particularly PTSD guys don't like confrontation and they take | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
themselves away from it. He does that by going and sleeping in his | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
car. How often is he sleeping in his car? Three, four times a week. But | :29:50. | :29:59. | |
he can disappear for weeks. But you're, we tread on glass with him | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
in a sense that we can't ask too much because again, he goes into, he | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
goes into a depression stage and he'll take himself away from those | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
situations that he feels uncomfortable in. | :30:13. | :30:50. | |
seriously think he has been let down. It is the parachute back into | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
society that is the problem. Somebody needs to put the support | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
network in place for guys that can no longer serve, that are considered | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
for medical discharge, and they can go into these places to find work | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
and integrate back into society, which is really a struggle. You have | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
an issue with the way the compensation is awarded, because it | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
is different between physical injuries and mental problems. | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
Explain how it has worked for him. Daniel was originally awarded a | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
level 12, and he has now been given level ten. That means you can get | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
better after five years, which clearly he can't. We have had to pay | :31:40. | :31:48. | |
for independent assessment, which says that it is clearly too proven | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
that the condition he has got is permanent, and there is no chance of | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
recovery. That gives you a level six award, we are into a delaying tactic | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
with the Army at the moment to recognise that. It is part of the | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
compensation scheme, the reason it. In the first place, it helps people | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
integrate back into society, consider give them a better pension | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
and a bigger pay-out. You can either agree or disagree, but the reality | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
is, without any further support network, money is the only thing | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
they can give them. I would much prefer them to give them a support | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
network, but they aren't. That is why the compensation scheme was | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
started. But they don't seem to want to recognise that. That is the | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
disappointing thing with the Army at the moment. I want to read comments | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
from some people watching. Paula says, anybody who fought for their | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
country should be living in a castle. If it says, why the shock | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
that the Armed Forces discard young men? That is what they have always | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
done. One person says, disgusted. Another person says, I am saddened. | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
He is not the first veteran to be found sleeping in his car and he | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
won't be the last. We were saying earlier how common it is. I would | :33:14. | :33:21. | |
call it an epidemic. It is how you treat an epidemic, it seems to be a | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
problem. Our society has got to deal with it. Burying your head in the | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
sand, as appears to be the case at the moment, is not the right way | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
forward. As a dad trying to reach out to your son, a man who is | :33:40. | :33:47. | |
regarded by many as a hero, how do you feel? He has gone from being on | :33:48. | :33:56. | |
a pedestal to where he is now. He has not had his recognition, in the | :33:57. | :34:05. | |
compensation scheme, he does not feel he is supported. He has gone | :34:06. | :34:15. | |
from hero to zero, effectively. That is part of the problem as well. | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
An MOD spokesperson told us that it couldn't comment on individual | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
cases like Daniel's, but it said, "We provide a wide | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
range of support both during and after military service, | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
including the Career Transition Partnership scheme, which helps | :34:30. | :34:31. | |
individuals transition into civilian life. | :34:32. | :34:32. | |
Veterans are eligible for resettlement support | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
and priority NHS treatment for conditions linked | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
We're one of the world's richest countries but at a time of cutbacks | :34:37. | :34:47. | |
can we still afford to spend ?12 billion a year on foreign aid | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
Tell us what you think on Twitter, text or e-mail. | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
And who'll replace Boris Johnson as Mayor of London in a month's time? | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith chats with Ukip's candidate in | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :35:03. | :35:17. | |
Junior doctors in England have begun their fourth walkout in their | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
Although 5,000 operations have been cancelled, | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
The Government says the action is irresponsible | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
process of the steel works in Port Talbot as he | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
arrives in Mumbai to meet the boss of Tata Steel. | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
Mr Javid had talks in Downing Street yesterday with David Cameron | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
and the Wales First Minister to discuss ways of saving | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
Port Talbot and the other Tata-owned UK steel plants. | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
It's thought Tata wants to sell its loss-making plants | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
Mr Javid will meet the Tata chairman and he's expected to press | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
for reassurances on the terms of the sale. | :36:03. | :36:11. | |
The new president of Fifa has been linked with the leaking of financial | :36:12. | :36:21. | |
documents in Panama. He was a co-signatories to a contract for the | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
sale of television rights in 2006 at Uefa with two businessmen who have | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
since been indicted on corruption charges. He and Uefa say they have | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
done nothing wrong. Iceland's Government could seek | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
early elections amid continuing and a day after the Prime Minister | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
stepped aside. His involvement with an offshore company was revealed by | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
the Panama papers. He has denied he resigned, saying he has handed over | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
to his deputy for an unspecified period. | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
And coming up at 11:30am on the News Channel, | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
I'll be putting your queries to a tax expert about | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
You can send us your questions using the hashtag #BBCAskThis | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
A former solider who became one of the youngest people ever | :37:05. | :37:12. | |
to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car. | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31, | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
has post-traumatic stress disorder and says he feels | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
I am very bitter towards them. I don't appreciate getting dumped to | :37:28. | :37:43. | |
one side. I feel I have been cast aside. | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
David Cameron is being accused of breaking his promises | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
In an open letter published in the Guardian, a number of people | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
affected by the phone-hacking scandal say they feel betrayed. | :37:55. | :37:56. | |
A key part of the Royal Charter agreement on press regulation has | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
been approved by Parliament, but has not yet come into law. | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
Gerry McCann, the father of missing Madeline McCann, | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
signed the letter and says little has changed since | :38:04. | :38:05. | |
the recommendations were put forward by the Leveson Inquiry. | :38:06. | :38:07. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am. | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
Jessica's here now with all the sport headlines. | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
Rangers are back in the Scottish Premiership. | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
After four years away, they secured their return with a 1-0 | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
Rangers were punished for going into liquidation | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
and demoted to the bottom tier in 2012. | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
Luis Suarez was the star of the show in Barcelona's Champions League | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
quarter-final comeback against Atletico Madrid. | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
Two second-half goals in ten minutes from Suarez ensured holders Barca | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
have the advantage for the second leg next week. | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
Bayern Munich beat Benfica 1-0 in last night's other | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
Tonight, Manchester City are at Paris Saint Germain | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
and welcome back their goalkeeper Joe Hart from injury. | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
It will be City's first appearance in a Champions League quarter-final. | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
England rugby union's Joe Marler has been banned and fined for his "gypsy | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
boy" comment to Wales' Samson Lee during the Six Nations. | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
Governing body World Rugby issued Marler with the two-match ban | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
and ?20,000 fine for the remark to Lee, who's from the | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
The UK Government is in debt to the tune of over ?1.6 trillion. | :39:13. | :39:26. | |
Every second, that figure goes up by ?5,000. | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
Trying to cut both the debt and the deficit ? that's | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
the difference between the amount of money the Government spends | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
and receives ? has proved difficult for successive governments. | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
Since the last budget in March, when the Chancellor George Osborne | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
was forced to abandon plans to cut disability payments, | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
focus has turned to what other areas of Government spending could be cut. | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
And foreign aid has come under the spotlight again. | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
The UK spends around ?11.7 billion on international development aid. | :39:56. | :39:57. | |
That is 0.7% of national income, and it's been ringfenced at that | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
In other words, they've promised not to cut it. | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
Just under 60% of that money went to individual countries. | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
It's known as bilateral aid, while just over 40% went | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
to the United Nations and charities or non-governmental | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
organisations, and that is known as multilateral aid. | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
In 2014, Ethiopia, India and Pakistan received | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
India is especially controversial, as its economy is almost as big | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
as the UK's, and it will probably overtake us in the coming years. | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
The cash went on things like healthcare, education | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
and humanitarian aid for people in need after wars | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
Most of the multilateral aid goes to organisations which divvy up | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
the money between charities that need it most. | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
the International Development Association, | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
the part of the World Bank which helps | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
That is as well as organisations like the Global Fund to fight | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
Aids, TB and malaria, and the Global Alliance | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
International development is one of only three departments that have | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
The Government has committed to spending 2% of national income | :41:09. | :41:15. | |
a year on defence, while health spending is at 8%, with more | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
Many other Government departments, like the ones that spend money | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
on benefits or local councils, are facing cuts of up to 20% or 30%, | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
and some MPs are calling for foreign aid to be cut, too. | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
Some examples of where that money has gone recently include helping | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
nine million children into primary school, helping some | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
of the four million refugees who've fled Syria since war began | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
and helping control the spread of Ebola. | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
But critics also say the money goes to countries like India, | :41:48. | :41:50. | |
who spend hundreds of millions on space-exploration programmes. | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
This morning, we really want to get a sense from you on what you think. | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
Is foreign aid the right thing to do, or should | :42:00. | :42:01. | |
Well, we can talk now to Peter Bone, a Conservative MP who wants us | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
to spend less on foreign aid, and by Virendra Sharma, | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
a Labour MP and member for the International | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
Development Committee, who maintains the budget | :42:12. | :42:12. | |
Why should it be ring fenced? It is important that we as a British | :42:13. | :42:30. | |
Government and people become part of the global community. Provide the | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
resources to those who need them, and we want them to come back into | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
the 21st-century with the skills and knowledge. That is what we are | :42:43. | :42:50. | |
hoping to which Eve. That is why we support that this aid should be ring | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
fenced in those areas where the people are getting the skills, | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
knowledge and freedom, and good governance, so they can become part | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
of the 21st-century world, rather than some people left behind. Peter | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
Bone, you disagree. I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the way it | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
is done is wrong. How India transformed itself, and China, was | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
by allowing the economy to grow and by exporting to organisations like | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
the EU. The fact that the EU stops developing countries' market access | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
is what is wrong. The solution is not handing more money out, ?12 | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
billion this year, it is allowing countries to trade and develop that | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
way. The clear on what you think about the aid Budget. Should it be | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
ring fenced? One is, what is the right way forward? It is trade. | :43:55. | :44:02. | |
Then, this thing of having 0.7% of having gross national income ring | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
fenced. The only other areas which have seen an increase on spending is | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
international aid and the EU. We are cutting every other department. Why | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
are we cutting our services at home and making it difficult for the | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
health service, the police, benefits are and we are paying this extra | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
money abroad? A lot of it is not going on but projects, it is wasted. | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
Would you say zero on foreign aid? There is another problem, you have | :44:38. | :44:44. | |
been talking about humanitarian aid, absolutely right, and we should | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
respond to that with the need, not as a fixed percentage. If we need to | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
spend more if there is a huge crisis, we should. But we should not | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
dole it out to dubious countries to make the leaders of those countries | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
more corrupt than they are at the moment. I disagree. We are not | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
handing over the money. It is spent through a department, given on | :45:08. | :45:16. | |
projects which improve the living conditions, childbirth rate, better | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
education for women and girls, improving the health provision in | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
those areas, giving disadvantaged people who need the skills to get | :45:24. | :45:26. | |
into the 21st-century. Raez That would sound good, but it | :45:27. | :45:36. | |
is not true. We give them two a third party, who then distributes | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
them and we have no... We give money to the Palestinian Authority which | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
gives money to subsidise the families of terrorists who are in | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
prison. I mean that cannot be right. This sort of... Specific examples | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
like that. The Department for International Development says | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
actually there are all sorts of things out there about claims of | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
where the money goes and a lot them are inaccurate. The money is, I'm | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
reading from a statement saying the money is spent where it is most | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
needed and subject to rigorous checks. If you ask the Secretary of | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
State, she would say there are problems with this and what she says | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
to me a lot of the money in foreign said given through other departments | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
who have less control on it than they do. First the Secretary of | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
State, she is the most defender of that international aid. Not giving | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
it away on corrupt projects. She doesn't want to do that. She is | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
monitoring it. Everybody is monitoring it. It is monitored. Are | :46:39. | :46:50. | |
you question the capability and the credibility of the department? | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
Absolutely I am. If you think our money... Are you telling me that all | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
the money we spend goes to projects and none of it goes to corrupt | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
Government? None of it finishes up in military expenditure and none of | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
this money goes to India or China and or countries that don't need it. | :47:10. | :47:18. | |
There is a large example where the 44 plus thousand women were given | :47:19. | :47:26. | |
health related benefits. There were the children where the childbirth | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
rate was saved, thousands and thousands of children. There was 3.5 | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
million families who were given the feed and the aid. That's all well | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
and good, but John on Facebook saying, "As many people say, charity | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
begins at home and not in other countries." The amount we are giving | :47:46. | :47:55. | |
into those countries is only that aid runs the country. The countries | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
themselves are also contributing to that. It is a partnership. But at a | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
time when cuts are being made here because of the level of debt, is it | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
not about a budget that should be looked at like all others? It is the | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
Government's own policy failure that they cannot balance it. Their own | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
attitude on these issues where they are confusing the people. You would | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
rather spend money abroad than on supporting people back at home. No, | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
you have to accept that. No, you can't. Peter... We can still spend | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
the money. We have the resources... No. Look, your introduction made it | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
quite clear that actually we are not funding this. We are borrowing more | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
money to fund T we are not taking it from taxpayers, we are borrowing | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
more money. It will be our children who are paying it off. It is | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
fundamentally wrong. We pay twice as much as France in international aid. | :48:57. | :48:59. | |
We are doing sticking plaster stuff. We are not dealing with the | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
important factor of allowing trade. I want to put a specific argument to | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
you from the Department of International development saying the | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
money is spent in the national interests, it helps create a more | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
stable and prosperous world in which the UK can stand tall and flourish | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
causing the root causes of the migration crisis and improving the | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
economic prospects in fragile states and building trading partners and | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
reduce the threat to the UK from Ebola in West Africa. Would you | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
agree there is an element, however you want to quantify of it of self | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
interest in helping the countries? Well, I do think it is wrong, if | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
what we are saying is, we're dolling out money to have some sort of soft | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
power for British interests. Some sort colonial rule... But if it is | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
in the national interests? It is not in the national interests what they | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
are doing. Things like Ebola, humanitarian crisis circumstances of | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
course, we should deal z do it. They have not addressed in that | :50:01. | :50:03. | |
statement, opening up the European Union market so the countries can | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
trade, the countries can become prosperous and they become developed | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
countries. It is completely ignoring the proper argument that it is | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
trade, not aid that solves poverty. If you want to get rid of poverty, | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
open up the European Union. We will wrap up with a couple more comments | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
from viewers. Mark says, "It is time to cut aid and target it better." | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
Grace says, "It is important that UK aid should be managed, it should be | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
increased, not reduced. Innocent human beings are living and dying | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
without clean water, food, education and so much more. They are suffering | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
more than anyone in the UK." Thank you for discussing that withes and | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
thank you for your comments and we will be tacking about it later on | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
the programme. Keep your comments coming in and we will try to bring | :50:52. | :50:53. | |
your comments into our debate later. Coming up, victims | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
of the hacking scandal say they feel betrayed | :51:00. | :51:01. | |
by the Prime Minister, and accuse him of | :51:02. | :51:03. | |
breaking his promises. We ask one man whose phone | :51:04. | :51:04. | |
was hacked after he was caught up in the 7/7 attacks | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
why he feels let down. All this week we're hearing | :51:08. | :51:15. | |
from some of the candidates standing Our political guru Norman Smith has | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
taken Labour's Sadiq Khan and Conservative's Zac Goldsmith | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
for a spin in his cab and today he's You are in the back of the cab | :51:23. | :51:33. | |
today. Not driving. Is he driving? I'm in the... I'm glad to say those | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
pedestrians and cyclists, you are safe today! I'm not driving! I'm in | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
the back of the cab today and joining me is Peter Whittle, the | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
Ukip mayoral candidate for London. Peter, you are a South London boy | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
from Peckham. We will ask you London questions in a bit, but let's start | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
off with what is your big thing. You say if you become mayor, you will | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
get a grip of immigration. But how are you going to do that The thing | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
is the two, in your own poll last week at the BBC, the two biggest | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
concerns for London he weres housing quite rightly and immigration. All | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
I'm saying which the other candidates are not, these two are | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
linked. It is common sense and most people can see that. So what I would | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
do and what I think the mayor has got an obligation to do is to put | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
that case to Government and say look, you know, we have to have a | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
proper fair controlled migration system in order to get a long-term | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
handle on the housing situation. Is there anything you as mayor could | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
actually do or is it just talk? No, if you remember Boris when he was | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
mayor said, he is still mayor, but he said there should be a full | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
amnesty for illegal migrants. The mayor is in a position of | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
extraordinary influence and if the mayor doesn't do that, who does? | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
London's economy, as you know, is built on immigration and a lot of | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
immigrants, probably are here illegally, cleaning the streets, | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
working in care homes, working in kitchens. Would you say they must | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
go? We have to get rid of them or would you say no, let's give them an | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
amnesty? I don't believe in an amnesty at all. It sends out the | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
wrong message. It works in migrants disfavour because it encourages | :53:18. | :53:19. | |
people-trafficking. I think it is the wrong way to go. I think the | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
fact is London is a great booming city, but it has got amazing strains | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
now on all of its infrastructure. Its housing, its transport, its | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
social services and the fact is, all we're saying is there has got to be | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
for the country and indeed for London, a fair, but controlled | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
immigration system. Let's talk about housing. You say you want to give | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
priority to Londoners in terms of housing? Yes. Who is a Londoner? | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
Well, what we have worked out, London is a modern city, you know, | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
and there is always going to be a transittry element to a place like | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
London. In terms of social housing, if you have been in London for five | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
years, we think that's a reasonable time that you should then have | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
priority when it comes to housing. Social housing. What happens to | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
someone born and brought up in London, maybe gone away for a few | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
years and come back. They go to the back of the queue again? They would | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
say they are Londoners? Exactly, but you have to make a move on this. I | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
mean in the sense that obviously there are different cases such as | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
that, but there is a lot of worry about the fact that people who are | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
have been in London for a while, people have been put down roots, | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
somehow or other don't get a fair say. That is a very divisive policy | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
because it is saying to some people in London, OK, you are a true | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
Londoner, you're not quite a Londoner and you are not a Londoner. | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
Isn't that what it amounts to? No, I don't accept it at all. Say five | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
years, if you have been living in a place or and put down certain roots | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
for five years, I think that's a very reasonable time in which to | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
have priority. OK. A lot of controversy about the Panama Papers | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
and off-shore funds buying up property in London. Vast amounts of | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
property driving up prices. What would you do about that? Would you | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
say you can only by a London property if you are a UK taxpayer? | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
No, I don't say that, that's unrealistic. I think the problem, | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
the main problem is that when people buy up property, but then leave it | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
empty and that squeezes the whole market. That's what off-shore funds | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
do? Exactly. We would penalise this further by not just putting the | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
useful council tax on it, but doubling council tax on things that | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
remained empty for two years. That's a fair point. We have got to do | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
quick London questions, you use the Tube, you probably got off at | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
Westminster. OK. What's next welcome, St James' park, Victoria? | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
Westminster, St James' Park, Victoria, Sloane Square. Very good. | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
You're shopping in Oxford Street. I'm going to give you three out of | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
the four department stores, John Lewis, Debenhams, Selfridges DH | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
Evans. Football fan? I was always the fat kid at school! This is a | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
half television question. You remember Til Death Us Depart. Who | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
did he support? West Ham. Who said if you're tired of London, you're | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
tired of life? Dr Johnson. Very good. Thank you very much, Joanna, | :56:26. | :56:34. | |
we have given Peter a grilling. I thought it was going to turn into a | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
therapy question when you asked the question about football and he went | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
back to the school days. Anyway, good stuff, thank you. | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
In total 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
of London in the election on 5th May. | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site. | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
If you want to watch back or share Norman taking a cab | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
with Zac Goldsmith or Sadiq Khan you can find them on our programme | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
Junior doctors in England have just gone on strike again this morning | :57:03. | :57:11. | |
It's over a dispute with the Government over a new contract. | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
Our Health Correspondent Adam Brimelow is with us. | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
We are in a position where the Government says it will be imposing | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
the contract. Bring us up-to-date with how we have got here? It has | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
been a saga. At the heart of this is a dispute over pay and working | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
conditions as these can affect safety and also doctors' working | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
hours, really what we're looking at here is an attempt by the Government | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
to make it easier for hospitals to get doctors to work at weekends, | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
make it less expensive for them to do that. Junior doctors say look, | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
they are already working at weekends and the changes in the contract | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
would have the effect of really making them work too hard which | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
could affect their judgement, make them too tired and that can knock on | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
in terms of patient safety. So, really, there have been lots of | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
issues surrounding this contract, but it is really got stuck on thish | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
uof premium pay on Saturday. The doctors, if you like, arguing to | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
keep Saturday special. They want the premium rates. The Government made | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
some concessions on that, but clearly, not enough in terms of the | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
BMA stance after really years of negotiation, the Government lost | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
patience. It says it will impose the contract later this year and we have | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
reached a real impasse. So four strikes so far. And another one | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
planned, 26th, 27th April is the next date? Yeah and that really | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
takes it into new territory because the junior doctors will extend their | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
action into A, to emergency surgery and intensive care, that's | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
something that never happened before in the NHS. It doesn't mean those | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
services are going to stop because hospitals will bring in more | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
consultants and other healthcare staff to keep the show on the road | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
in those areas and every effort will be made to ensure patients are safe, | :59:05. | :59:10. | |
but there will be a knock on effect particularly for knee and hip | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
operations and cataract procedures, much bigger disruption probably than | :59:16. | :59:17. | |
we have seen so far and that's worrying at a time for the NHS when | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
it is already working at or beyond full stretch. This dispute, remember | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
is just about England, it is not happening in other parts of the UK. | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
What is going on to try to to resolve this? What would it take? | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
Unfortunately, we seem to have reached a point where the two sides | :59:35. | :59:42. | |
haven't reached a point over what they disagree about. We have got a | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
break down in trust. We have got patients group and doctors groups | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
saying they need to step back from the brink. There have been calls for | :59:53. | :00:02. | |
the BMA ka 20 to call off the strike action. The atmosphere is so bad, | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
further industrial action seems likely. Two points that could affect | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
things in the coming weeks, public opinion, so far, it has been pretty | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
strongly behind the junior doctors. Will that remain the case as the | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
dispute intensifies and there is further disruption? And then, we | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
have got the attitude of junior doctors themselves. They have been | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
out four times now. The dispute is due to escalate, will support for | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
this dispute from the junior doctors themselves continue to sustain the | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
momentum? Or will some of them decide the battle has been going on | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
for too long, that's what the Government would like to see. | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Thank you, Adam. Now let's catch up with the weather. Nick Miller has | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
the details. people who need the skills to get | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
into the 21st-century. It is feeling more like winter. The | :00:56. | :01:07. | |
lower temperatures adding to the colder feel. | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Some sunshine, but the showers could have hailed from the associated with | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
them. Very gusty wind. The gusts will be approaching 60 miles an | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
hour. That is adding in the chill we have talked about. | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
Out of the wind, if you have a bit of sunshine in between the showers, | :01:32. | :01:40. | |
it may not feel too bad. But it is cold overnight, further showers | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
around. The bigger batch of showers heading south to stop the day, then | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
sunshine and scattered showers for the afternoon, driven along on a | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
brisk north-westerly wind. With the wind, it will feel colder than this. | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
The unsettled theme will continue on Friday and into the weekend. | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us. | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
Junior doctors begin another 48-hour strike, | :02:12. | :02:12. | |
their fourth walkout in their long-running | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
Hailed a hero in Iraq, the youngest-ever soldier to receive | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
the George Medal tells this programme he feels | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
He suffers from PTSD and now sleeps in his car. | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
I didn't think it would affect me because it didn't feel | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
reality at the time, and obviously after a year it sinks | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
in and your depression kicks in and your drinking, | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
but you don't realise you're changing, but other | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
His father says he feels cast aside. He has gone from hero to zero, | :02:43. | :02:55. | |
effectively. We will hear from other soldiers in | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
similar positions next. We're one of the world's richest | :02:59. | :03:07. | |
countries, but at a time of severe cuts to Government spending, | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
can we still afford to spend ?12 billion a year on foreign aid, | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
or is it time to think again? It is important that we become part | :03:14. | :03:26. | |
of the global community. Why are we cutting our services at home, making | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
it difficult for the health service, the police, benefits? | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Junior doctors in England have begun another 48-hour strike, | :03:36. | :03:49. | |
their fourth walkout in their long-running | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
Although 5,000 operations have been cancelled, | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
The Government says the action is irresponsible | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
process of the steelworks in Port Talbot as he | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
arrives in Mumbai to meet the boss of Tata Steel. | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
Mr Javid had talks in Downing Street yesterday with David Cameron | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
and the Wales First Minister to discuss ways of saving | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
Port Talbot and the other Tata-owned UK steel plants. | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
It's thought Tata wants to sell its loss-making plants | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
Mr Javid will meet the Tata chairman, and he's expected to press | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
for reassurances on the terms of the sale. | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
Donald Trump has been handed a blow after losing in Wisconsin. His main | :04:28. | :04:37. | |
rival Ted Cruz easily won, making it harder for the businessman to win | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
the Republican race at right. Donald Trump said the party leadership was | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
trying to steal the nomination from him. | :04:45. | :04:45. | |
The new president of Fifa, Gianni Infantino, is the latest | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
prominent name to be linked with the leaking of financial | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
When he worked at European football's governing body Uefa, | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
he was a cosignatory to a contract for the sale of television rights | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
in 2006 with two businessmen who have since been indicted | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
Mr Infantino and Uefa say they've done nothing wrong. | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
Iceland's coalition government has suggested it could seek early | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
elections amid continuing anger a day after the prime | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, whose involvement with an offshore | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
company was revealed by the Panama Papers, | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
has denied that he resigned, saying he's handed over | :05:23. | :05:24. | |
to his deputy for an unspecified period. | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
A former soldier who became one of the youngest people ever | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car. | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
At 11:30am, I will talk about offshore tax havens on the BBC News | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
Channel. A former soldier who became one | :05:45. | :05:45. | |
of the youngest people ever to receive the George Medal | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
for heroic actions in Iraq tells this programme he's now effectively | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
homeless and living in his car. As a result of his experiences | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31, has post-traumatic stress disorder | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
and says he feels I don't appreciate being dumped to | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
one side. I have been cast aside. David Cameron is being accused | :06:02. | :06:19. | |
of breaking his promises In an open letter published | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
in the Guardian, a number of people affected by the phone-hacking | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
scandal say they feel betrayed. A key part of the Royal Charter | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
agreement on press regulation has been approved by Parliament, | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
but has not yet come into law, after a Government decision | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
to postpone it. Gerry McCann, the father | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
of missing Madeline McCann, signed the letter and says little | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
has changed since the recommendations were put forward | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
by the Leveson Inquiry. All dogs over eight weeks old must | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
be fitted with identifying A law which has been operating | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
in Northern Ireland since 2012 now applies in England, | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
Scotland and Wales. Owners who fail to comply could be | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
fined ?500 but the Government estimates more than a million dogs | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
have yet to be chipped. That's a summary of | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
throughout the morning. Lots of you getting in touch about | :07:02. | :07:15. | |
foreign aid. Fiona says, it should be stopped or cut, the Tories | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
promised transparency. Stuart says, if you can afford a space programme, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
you don't need a hand-out. Tristan says, should we continue this? Yes, | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
we have a duty to help those worst off than ourselves. Keep on letting | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
us know what you think. We will talk to some of you on air. | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Jessica's back with the sport now, and a look ahead to Anthony Joshua's | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
heavyweight world title fight this weekend. | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
British heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua goes for the IBF | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
world title when he takes on Charles Martin on Saturday, | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
in what will be his toughest fight to date. | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
Joshua is yet to lose as a professional, and all of his | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
wins have been by knockout, but critics have said it might be | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
a step too soon for Joshua, with only 15 bouts under his belt. | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
Olympic boxing champion from 2000 Audley Harrison joins me. | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
Initially, I thought it would be a step too far, not because of who he | :08:20. | :08:37. | |
is facing, but because of what it means if he wins, he will be on the | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
level of Wladimir Klitschko and some of those experienced guys. But it is | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
such a great opportunity to challenge for the world title | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
against Charles Martin, who is a new champion, young, undefeated and | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
hungry. This is a great opportunity for Anthony Joshua to become the | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
world champion. You have some great insight into Charles Martin, what is | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
he like as a fighter? He is here in California. He does not have the | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
amateur pedigree, he did not come through that programme, but he is a | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
rugged southpaw, six foot five, a good project, a counterpuncher, so | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
he thinks about what he is doing. Anthony Joshua's strength is | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
unrivalled in terms of heavyweights coming up. Look at George Foreman, | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
Frank Bruno, they had a brutish strength, it is hard to keep them | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
off. I will be intrigued to see what Charles Martin does to keep Anthony | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
Joshua away from him. The atmosphere will be incredible, 20,000 people | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
cheering his name. Charles Martin is coming into the Lions' down. All of | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
the cards are pointing towards Anthony Joshua becoming champion of | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
the world. What have you made of his career? The winning Olympic gold, he | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
has done very well, 15 fights and 15 knockouts. He has not put a foot | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
wrong. He is living the life, training, focused on his boxing, | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
every guy they have given him he has dispatched. His last guy was a step | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
up, it was a great fight, and he came through. This is another step | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
up. If he wins this fight, there are so many big fights out there, all of | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
the sudden the division is so exciting, not just in Britain but | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
around the world, which is what heavyweight boxing has needed. | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Rubbermaid fridge go losing to Tyson Fury has opened the door, we have | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
some mouthwatering fights on the table. Boxing fans will enjoy that | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
on Saturday, a big match, heavyweight world title between | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
Anthony Joshua and Charles Martin. That is all the sport for now. | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
One of the youngest-ever soldiers to receive the George Medal | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
for bravery after serving in Iraq has told this programme he feels | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
abandoned by the army and is now effectively homeless and living | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
Fusilier Daniel Smith was 20 when he risked his life twice | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
in the space of a few days by trying to rescue colleagues who'd been | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
As a result of what he saw in Iraq he now has Post-Traumatic Stress | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
Disorder and says the support he's had from the armed | :11:28. | :11:29. | |
I don't think there was much help, back then, because... | :11:30. | :11:41. | |
Like now, PTSD is recognised now, but then it was not | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
It was more like, pick yourself up and go. | :11:46. | :11:53. | |
So you do what you do and complain while you're there. | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
At the time I got blown up, I did not think it would affect me. | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
It did not feel reality, at the time. | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
A year later, it kind of sinks in, depression kicks in, | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
you're drinking, and you don't realise you're changing, | :12:13. | :12:14. | |
I haven't changed, you're the one that has | :12:15. | :12:32. | |
The charity Combat Stress says it's seen a 28% increase in former | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
members of the armed forces seeking mental-health support over | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
the last year, that's treble what they saw the year before. | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
Paul Fisher served in Afghanistan and was injured in an IED | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
Zoe says, are used to treat in a homeless clinic, the amount of | :12:47. | :13:00. | |
ex-soldiers was common. John says, I was injured in an IRA bombing and I | :13:01. | :13:08. | |
still suffer. David says, it took 28 years for my disorder to be | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
diagnosed, even with obvious signs, I ended up going off the rails. | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
Paul Fisher served in Afghanistan and was injured in an IED | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
He has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
Jay Wheeler served in the army for 15 years, including Afghanistan, | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
where he saw his friend killed in a Taliban ambush. | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
And Professor Neil Greenburg is a former MoD psychiatrist, | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
who's now a specialist in PTSD at Kings College London. | :13:34. | :13:48. | |
You 30, what would your experiences in the army and what happened? I | :13:49. | :13:59. | |
served nine years, I joined in 2006, I went to Afghanistan after a long | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
build-up. We were deployed in October 2000 and nine. The first | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
incident for me was a blue on blue incident in our patrol base in | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
December 2000 and nine. That is friendly fire? Yes, two Apaches. A | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
big breakdown of communication, what they thought was the enemy was our | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
patrol base, it injured 11 people and killed one in the space of a few | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
minutes. Quite chaotic. And traumatic? How did you respond? You | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
do what you need to do and crack on with the job. Above and beyond what | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
they should have done. In a few weeks later, I got injured in an IED | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
attack, and I got sent home. I spent ten days in Selly Oak with a | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
shattered jaw and a back injury. A few months later, I started the PTSD | :15:00. | :15:08. | |
symptoms, the anger, the low moods. I tried going back to work, for if | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
you years, trying to crack on with my career and forget about it all. | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
In denial more than anything. You say the symptoms were coming | :15:19. | :15:27. | |
through. Had you been warned to look out for them? Did you know what was | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
happening to you? Not at all, no. It is just looking back? Yeah, looking | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
back you can see them now, but at the time, it is not something that | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
was apparent to myself. It may have been to one or two people that | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
didn't really mention it, but I think in the end it was my old | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
company commander that noticed it and put me in touch with the medical | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
officer. So what kind of support did you get then? I started receiving | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
treatment from RAF Lucas at the department for community mental | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
health. I weren't a big believer at first. I didn't sort of believe what | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
was happening. I mean the CBT sessions... Cognitive behavioural | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
therapy. It just seemed a lot of talking and lot a lot of action. It | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
didn't seem like, I just felt I was just wasting time there. You are | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
used to being active and this was about focussing on yourself? | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
Focussing on my thoughts and things. I don't like people to think that | :16:33. | :16:41. | |
there is something wrong or that I'm struggling so I found it quite hard | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
to let it out that I was struggling. I think about ten appointments later | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
I didn't really feel I wanted to carry on with that sort of | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
treatment. It was only when I moved to Pontefract doing recruiting that | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
I started seeking further treatment at Catterick which when I felt I | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
really benefited support wise. And where you are today, how are you | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
today? What is your life today? Just a househusband basically. A wife and | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
two kids who adore. It is just nice to spend a lot of time with them. I | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
am unemployed, but I am looking for work, but with the PTSD it is | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
difficult. Is it through choice? It is struggling to find a job, not | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
just any job, but a job that I can do without putting the added stress | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
and flaring up the symptoms of PTSD. Jay, you served in the Army for 15 | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
years. You were diagnosed with most traumatic stress disorder after you | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
saw a young man serving alongside you, a 21-year-old man killed. That | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
turned out actually to be your last active tour of duty. Yes, it was. | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
Tell us what happened. I did the 15 years. I did several tours in Kosovo | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
and several tours in Iraq and I went out to Afghanistan in 2010, | :18:05. | :18:13. | |
2009/2010. And Afghanistan, out of all the operational tours I had | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
done, Afghanistan was the more... Chaotic. Sorry. Chaotic. There was a | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
lot more going on. The Taliban was constantly engaging us on a daily | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
basis with small arms fire and RPGs and nearly every day there was an | :18:33. | :18:41. | |
IED going off. I have seen civilian people get killed and our own boys | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
and girls and yeah, my friend Gunner Zac who was 21 and he lost his life | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
out there and that was, I had never really experienced so much kind of | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
hate and so much death in one place at one time. I came home from | :19:00. | :19:09. | |
Afghanistan and within six months of being home, I started to become | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
confrontational with people. I was very angry. I was feeling a lot of | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
guilt as well. Guilt because you got to leave? I got to leave. I got to | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
come back home, you know. Like Zac, he said goodbye to his family and | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
that was it, you know. And the next time they saw him was when he came | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
home in a coffin. So yeah, you know, I would be at home and I would be | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
watching the news or something like that and every day it was like | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
soldiers getting killed on a daily basis and it just frustrated me and | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
I was getting angry and more upset with the Government and things like | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
that and... You then effectively tried to shut yourself away from the | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
world, didn't you? That's exactly what I did. I started living on the | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
couch. I live on my own in an apartment in Liverpool. Started | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
living on the couch. I started hoarding rubbish. And I'm not | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
embarrassed to say at all, but I was hoarding rubbish and I was hoarding | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
bottles of urine to this day I don't know why I was doing it, but I was | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
living in a really, really bad way and literally eight months ago, I | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
was burgled. Now, I got burgled and the police came and the police saw | :20:33. | :20:40. | |
how I was living. They got in touch with military charity. And they got | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
on board and came to see me and they have been supporting me ever since | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
really. So that, the burglary turned out to be the first step towards you | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
actually getting help? Yeah, most definitely. I kind of said, as a | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
joke to the police, you know, when the guy had burgled my apartment, he | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
could have at least taken some of the rubbish out of here, you know. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
But yeah, the turn around, the positive that came from it is very | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
much needed. I mean, when I was, I had been diagnosed with PTSD and | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
BPD, border line personality disorder and depression and when I | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
was and I think I did a total of five suicide attempts because I had | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
given up on myself and I had given up on life in general. What were you | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
like before you went into the Army? I think I was a very upbeat guy and | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
very physical. I loved my fitness and I loved interacting with people | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
and the Army just enabled me to achieve a lot of good things in my | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
life. I won several awards and come men tations and stuff and I really | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
enjoyed -- commendations and stuff and I really enjoyed it, but it is | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
when I came home and I went through the process of having a breakdown, I | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
saw a lot of people leave my life who I thought were friends. They had | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
gone and it just became a lonely, lonely place. And then I got | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
admitted to my second psychiatric hospital and it was whilst I was in | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
there in City Academy broadoak Unit in Liverpool, they encouraged me to | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
take up art as therapy. And that made a big difference. Yes. I want | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
to bring in a viewer who got in touch while watching us this | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
morning. Charles, served in Afghanistan and was discharged in | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
2013. He has got post post-traumatic stress disorder and he was crying | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
when watching our interview earlier with Daniel Smith. Charles, thank | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
you for getting in touch. What you saw obviously with Daniel, what | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
Daniel was saying hit home with you. Tell us why? Actually the story of | :22:54. | :23:02. | |
Daniel just, it hit me so hard because putting myself in Daniel's | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
situation, it is very, very hard for some of us, you know. Having been | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
diagnosed for PTSD and you left the Army. The Army is willing to let you | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
go and there is no support, you know, and you feel the sense you | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
become so angry with the Government because like there is a lot of | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
things I that could have been done for so many of us. Daniel is | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
sleeping in his car, it shouldn't happened. He sacrificed a lot for | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
the country and even getting an ache is now sleeping in his car and it is | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
something that shouldn't have happened. I was discharged in 2013 | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
for having PTSD and last year I went to the Combat Stress at Leatherhead, | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
I was there for two weeks and I was expected to go in this year around | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
June for another six weeks intensive, you know. So it is very, | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
very difficult and I think that it is high time some of us come | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
together and we sort of get this sort of these things that are | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
happening in places in America where we have a Government department | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
which deals with issues with veterans. So I think it would be | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
well appreciated if a lot of things can be done for us that are | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
suffering from PTSD because it is a serious issue that needs to be, you | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
know, that needs proper looking into. Tell us what happened to you, | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
Charles? What led to the post-traumatic stress disorder? | :24:47. | :24:59. | |
Basically with my post traumatic stress disorder. I was an undercover | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
soldier for Catterick. I passed out from training. I went through a lot | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
in Catterick for that undercover soldier in 2008. I went on and I | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
joined my unit at Chepstow in Wales and then from there I deployed to | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
Afghanistan, you know, so the whole thing was just there and the very | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
week that I got to Afghanistan, because I was based in Sangin, the | :25:29. | :25:37. | |
very week I got there, I experienced this explosion on the patrol and a | :25:38. | :25:46. | |
whole lot of things. Sangin was riddled with IEDs and all sorts of | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
things. When we came back from the tour in 2009, I started discovering | :25:50. | :25:57. | |
changes in my life which were taking into alcohol and I became | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
aggressive, you know. So those were the things that happened to me. I | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
want to bring, thank you Charles, I want to bring in Professor Neil | :26:06. | :26:15. | |
Greenberg. Neil, these three men and Daniel who we heard from earlier, | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
are these pretty typical stories? Good morning. So I think that it is | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
definitely true that the sort of stories that you've shown on the | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
show this morning are generally quite typical. I think that one of | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
the biggest challenges and all the speakers have mentioned is the | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
actual going to get help in the first place. So we know that in the | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
Armed Forces for people who are still serving, somewhere between | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
four and 7% of military personnel are likely to suffer with PTSD and | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
that figure probably rises somewhere between 7% and 13% for people who | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
have left the Armed Forces. The biggest challenge is once you have | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
left, is where you go and get help? And I guess one of the things that | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
saddens me quite a bit that I've heard from the stories is that | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
whilst I agree it is not always easy to get help, there is an awful lot | :27:08. | :27:15. | |
of help out there. One of the speakers mentioned Combat Stress, it | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
provides care and support and treatment for people suffering from | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
mental health problems who are suffering in the military, but there | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
is a range of other charities and the National Health Service. So | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
certainly within England and similarly excellent projects in | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
Scotland and Wales, the NHS have set-up veterans' services that aim | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
to appeal to veterans so people in the NHS services speak the same sort | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
of language. They understand what military personnel go through and | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
they can provide a range of treatments and refer people on. | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
Clearly, sorry, clearly, there are men out there who do feel abandoned | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
because they are finding it very difficult to pick up the piece of | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
their lives having served and are finding it very difficult to go on | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
in some cases, thinking that they can't actually see a future. What | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
can be done to help them? Well, I think probably the most important | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
thing and this programme is part of it is encouraging them to take the | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
first step to go and get some help. Whilst it is not always easy to get | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
an appointment with your GP, go and sit down with your GP. You are | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
entitled to a GP to listen to what has gone on. Should the MoD play | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
more of a role? Because once they leave the MoD then the | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
responsibility for care switches elsewhere, do you think that that is | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
something that could be looked at? Well, I think one of the | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
difficulties there and I agree obviously the MoD in some senses | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
caused the problems so it is easy to say they should try and fix it, but | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
the whole of the MoD's mental health services are aimed towards getting | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
people ready to go on operations. The treatments they provide are ones | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
that are aiming to get you fit so you can go and deploy again | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
somewhere. Many of the people that you've interviewed today talk about | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
having a much more long-standing problem. These people are never | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
going to be able to stay within military service because they are | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
not going to be able to get fit enough to go back out to Iraq or | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
Afghanistan or similar places. So the MoD's treatments are really all | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
aimed towards getting you well. The charities and the National Health | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
Service understand that some people don't get better. At least, not to | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
the state that they are ready to deploy operationally again and so | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
the care that they provide and there is lots of charities like Walking | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
With The Wounded and Combat Stress and the National Health Service and | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
many others, all aim to provide people with care that gets them well | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
so they can have a good civilian life. And I think the MoD, whilst it | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
is nice to think they should provide the treatment, that's not their | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
primary expertise. Their expertise is getting people fit enough to | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
deploy again. Thank you very much. Thanks to all of you for joining us. | :29:53. | :29:59. | |
Graham tweeted, "Talking about post-traumatic stress disorder, | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
brilliant about time." Another viewer says, "Great segment on | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
post-traumatic stress disorder. Brave of them to speak out." Sharon | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
says, "The MoD must take full responsibility for resettlement of | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
military personnel and they must be given priority for health and | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
housing." An MoD spokesperson told us | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
that it couldn't comment on individual cases, | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
but it said, "We provide a wide range of support both | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
during and after military service, including the Career | :30:28. | :30:29. | |
Transition Partnership scheme, which helps individuals transition | :30:30. | :30:30. | |
into civilian life. Veterans are eligible | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
for resettlement support and priority NHS treatment | :30:33. | :30:34. | |
for conditions linked Still to come, the Government | :30:35. | :30:35. | |
needs to save money, Victims of the hacking scandal | :30:36. | :30:50. | |
claimed the Prime Minister has broken their promises. We asked one | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
man why he feels let down. The Government needs to save money, | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
so where should the axe fall? Foreign aid along with health | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
and defence are protected from cuts, With the news, here's Maxine | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. Junior doctors in England have begun | :31:08. | :31:16. | |
another 48-hour strike, their fourth walkout | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
in their long-running Although 5,000 operations | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
have been cancelled, The Government says | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
the action is irresponsible The Business Secretary Sajid Javid | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
is calling for a responsible sales process of the steelworks | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
in Port Talbot as he arrives in Mumbai to meet | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
the boss of Tata Steel. It's thought Tata wants | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
to sell its loss-making plants Mr Javid is expected to press | :31:49. | :31:50. | |
the Tata chairman for reassurances The Chancellor says the Government | :31:51. | :32:03. | |
is doing all it can to help. It is a difficult situation for the | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
and their families, that is why we are doing everything we can to help | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
that business in South Wales and steel mills across the country, that | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
is why the Business Secretary has gone to India to talk to the | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
management of Tata to make sure there is a long-term future for this | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
vital industry. What is the most that we can expect | :32:29. | :32:29. | |
to get from today's meetings? I am standing in front of the | :32:30. | :32:43. | |
building, the headquarters of the Tata group, where the meeting will | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
be held. I have spoken to Tata, they have sent out an assurance that the | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
process of the sale will be transparent and thorough. The | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
Business Secretary will hope for an agreement that whatever deal it | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
strikes to sell off its UK operations, it will not result in | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
mass job losses. Tata employs 15,000 workers in the UK. Tata have said it | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
is not about how good or bad deal is, for them what is essential is to | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
cut the financial losses of their steel operations in the UK. They | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
have suffered losses of ?1 million every day for the last year. They | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
want this process to happen quickly, although they have not set a time | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
frame. I suspect one of the things that the Business Secretary will | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
want to know is how long Tata can afford to continue its operations | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
while we wait to find a buyer. Yesterday, the Business Secretary | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
met with union leaders, they have sent a message for the Tata | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
chairman, they expect the sale to be responsible. He also met with a | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
potential buyer, the Chief Executive of a commodities firm, he says he | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
things he might be interested in buying the steel business in the UK. | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
Whatever discussions he had yesterday, that will be one of the | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
things that they are likely to discuss in the meeting held here | :34:11. | :34:11. | |
today. Donald Trump's campaign has been | :34:12. | :34:22. | |
dealt a blow after losing a vote in the key American state of Wisconsin. | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
His main rival Ted Cruz easily won, making it harder for the businessmen | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
to win the Republican race and quite. Concert the party's | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
leadership was trying to steal the nomination from him. | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
Iceland's Government has suggested it could seek early elections a day | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
after the Prime Minister stepped aside. His involvement with an | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
offshore company was revealed by the Panama papers. He has done I'd that | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
he has resigned, he says he has handed over to his deputy for an | :34:55. | :34:55. | |
unspecified period. Join me for BBC | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
Newsroom live at 11am. Jessica's here with the sport now, | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
and more on Rangers' return Rangers are back in the top flight | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
of Scottish football Our Scottish football reporter | :35:05. | :35:11. | |
Chris McLaughlin joins me now, and can explain a bit more | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
about their remarkable journey. It has been an incredible journey. | :35:17. | :35:30. | |
An incredible four years. In 2012, after years of mismanagement, one of | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
British football's biggest clubs faced financial meltdown, | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
administration led to liquidation, a new club was formed, a new company | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
was formed to take the club forward, the Scottish footballing authorities | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
forced them to start life again in the bottom of Scottish football. | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
They have been slowly working their way up since 2012, we have had | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
boardroom battles behind the scenes, courtroom battles, which are still | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
ongoing, but last night that came to a climax, because they have secured | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
their place back in the top flight of Scottish football. The Big | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
Questions now is, when the party dies down, can they compete with | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
Celtic next season? The fans hope so, the players are determined that | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
they want to challenge for honours next season. We'll get a taste of | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
it, because Rangers play Celtic at Hampden Park in the cup a week on | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
Sunday. The old firm derby is back. That is | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
all be sport for this morning. Let's talk to Stephen Kinnock about | :36:37. | :36:56. | |
Tata. A potential buyer is stepping into the frame, how are you feeling | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
about the situation? The proposals are very interesting, but I also | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
think it is important that we don't jump in. The Government is in a | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
total shambles over this. The risk is there will be a panic and they | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
will want to go with the first buyer that comes. There is another | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
interesting opportunity which could be a management buyout. If the right | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
financial backing can be found, that is worth looking at as well. But I | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
will be meeting with Mr Gupta soon, and I am looking forward to hearing | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
his proposal. How much time is there to play with? Tata have not been | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
clear on how long they are prepared to give this, it is costing them | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
money everyday. It is great that the Business Secretary has found his way | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
to Mumbai. What he needs to come home with its clarity from Tata as | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
to how long they see this process taking. We need the Government to | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
give as much support as they can, to give the process as much time as | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
possible. We have to have a realistic time frame. You have been | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
to Mumbai, you have had talks, you could not get a straight answer? We | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
went out to try to get them to back the turnaround plan. It became | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
obvious they were not going to do that. What we pushed for was clarity | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
on how long it would take. They said it depends on the kind of support | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
they get from the Government. The ball is in the Government's court, | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
they have been asleep on the wheel for the last four or five years, | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
they finally seem to be waking up, let's hope it is not too late. | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
Victims of press intrusion have accused David Cameron | :38:42. | :38:42. | |
In a letter to the Prime Minister, campaigners say that the failure | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
to implement a key part of the Royal Charter agreed after | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
the Leveson Inquiry is a betrayal of the public and Parliament. | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
Gerry McCann, the father of missing Madeline McCann, | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
is one of the signatories to the letter. | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
We don't see any front-page apologies for people | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
who have had stories misrepresented, or libel. | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
Supposedly Ipso have teeth, but they don't use them. | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
We really need proper independent self-regulation. | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
And if proper independent self-regulation doesn't come | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
into force, Leveson was also clear than what we should be moving | :39:23. | :39:33. | |
Personally, I have made this clear in the past, Leveson's | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
recommendations were the minimum I would be happy with. | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
And if they aren't met, then it has been a waste of time and money, | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
many victims have put themselves through the mill to go | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
and give evidence at that inquiry all over again. | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
A survivor of the 7/7 London bombings, Paul Dadge, | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
Do you feel let down? Absolutely. We have been let down. I have been | :39:53. | :40:07. | |
involved in this campaign for as long as he has. We have been made | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
numerous promises, and they have not been kept. What do you want to | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
happen that has not happened? There are two things, that the cost | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
incentives that were agreed our port into force, which would allow access | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
to justice for members of the public. Members of the public who do | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
not have the money to take newspapers to court. It is important | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
to state that this has been brought into place because newspapers have | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
not joined a Leveson Report line regulator. If they had, they would | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
not have been forced down this element of cost incentives. Ipso say | :40:49. | :41:00. | |
they have more powers than the commission, they say there is a | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
chairman of unimpeachable independence, a board and a | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
committee with a lay majority and a faster complaints process that has | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
resulted in eight front-page corrections in the last year, which | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
was unheard of under the previous regime. As has just been said, the | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
direction of apologies is something that is not in place. We are not | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
seeing complaints and apologies getting the forefront that they | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
deserve. I went to the offices of Ipso the day it launched, which was | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
in the offices of the PCC, with the blue tacked Ipso signed up over the | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
PCC, which is quite telling. Tell us the impact of the hacking on you, | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
because you have got heavily involved in everything since then. | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
What impact did it have on you? I was always somebody that would talk | :41:55. | :42:02. | |
to the press in the aftermath of Tata, and I felt I had lost control | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
of the information I was giving. There was pressure put on myself as | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
well as the video, in a photograph with me, to talk to the press. I was | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
once strolled that journalists would be fired unless they were able to | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
set up a meeting between me and her. I think that was true, and | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
journalists are under pressure to deliver stories. For me, that put me | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
under emotional stress. When the phone hacking came to fruition, I | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
felt I had lost control of the information I was giving to the | :42:35. | :42:35. | |
press. David Cameron has further clarified | :42:36. | :42:45. | |
his position on his tax affairs. A fourth statement by David | :42:46. | :42:58. | |
Cameron's team. If you remember dressing down on a balloon and | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
another bit would bulge, that is what seems to be happening as number | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
ten try to grip this story. You wind back 24 hours, the word from number | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
ten was, this is a private matter. In the afternoon, we had David | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
Cameron say, I don't benefit from any offshore funds or investment, | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
and everybody thought, what about your family? In the evening, there | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
was another statement to say that neither Mr Cameron nor Samantha | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
Cameron nor the children benefited from offshore funds. Overnight, | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
everybody thought, what about in the future or in the past? So, Downing | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
Street have issued a fourth statement. They say, there are no | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
offshore trusts or funds... The critical bit is in the future. | :43:44. | :43:57. | |
What they don't address and have not addressed so far is, what about the | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
past? Have the family in any way benefited from his late father's | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
investment fund? The questions are spreading. George Osborne was | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
challenged whether he had benefited from an offshore fund. | :44:14. | :44:24. | |
We are having a technical gremlin. He took a body swerve, he did not | :44:25. | :44:32. | |
really addressed the question beyond saying that all his financial | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
arrangements were in the register of members' interest, he was asked | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
again, and he got out of screen pretty quickly. Number ten are | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
deeply wounded by this, and they want to close it down as quickly as | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
possible, because having pictures of the PM in the papers alongside | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
pictures of wealthy tax avoidance, the likes of President Assad, | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
Vladimir Putin, that is absolutely not what they want. But I am afraid | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
the questions still keep coming. The instant messaging service | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
Whatsapp says it will now encrypt all communication made on the app | :45:13. | :45:14. | |
in a bid to keep messages private. It follows a row over an encrypted | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
iPhone between Apple and the FBI. Technology reporter Chris Foxx | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
is here to explain more. Tell us more about why whales app | :45:21. | :45:31. | |
will be doing this? They are saying they are doing this to give people | :45:32. | :45:39. | |
their privacy. This is called enter ending encryption. Let me show a | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
diagram of how this works. You have your message on your computer or | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
your phone, but it travels across the internet. It can go through | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
various hands, your internet service provider, the message service, like | :45:52. | :45:58. | |
whatsapp and it could be intercepted as it goes to your recipient. As | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
soon as a message leaves your phone, it is scramble and it isn't | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
descripted until it receives at the other end. So no one is intercept it | :46:09. | :46:21. | |
and if they do, they will get a load of nonsense. Why are they doing | :46:22. | :46:29. | |
this? The leak by Edward Snowden showed how much Government agencies | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
were spying on what people do. With end to end encryption they don't do | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
that. They can't log every message you isn't because it is scrambled | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
along the way. People who advocate for privacy say it is a great thing. | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
There is the risk if someone can unlock your phone, they can read | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
your messages and that's what happened in the FBI and Apple case. | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
The FBI have managed to unlock that particular iPhone so they can read | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
the messages that are on there. If whatsapp is doing this, how many | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
other unencrypted services that might decide the same? Text | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
messaging is unencrypted, but there are other messaging apps, more niche | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
apps, whatsapp has one billion users. There are things like | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
Telegram which has been used by Islamic State to exchange messages. | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
That's already encrypted and BlackBerry messenger has an version | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
that's encrypted and people are steering towards this now that all | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
communications will be and on whatsapp, voice calls and picture | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
messages, all is scrambled until it gets to the other end. Interesting, | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
thank you very much, Chris. This morning you've been telling us | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
what you think about the amount Andrew e-mailed to say, "It seems | :47:44. | :47:56. | |
perverse that we are spending millions of pound of aid to India | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
when they are a country with a nuclear and a space programme, but | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
an Indian owned charity is threatening thousands of UK mostly | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
Welsh jobs. Spend the money on Welsh charities instead." Ken says, "It is | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
obscene the UK is spending ?12 billion on overseas aid particularly | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
when the state of the UK is hovering on becoming a third world country. | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
There is an odd adage about such funds being sent to such a country | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
for education, when the sum arrived at the department, there was barely | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
enough to purchase a packet of pencils. Many people would have no | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
problem believing this, even though it is without qualification." Carol | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
says, "Foreign aid should be cut and put to use at home. It is heart | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
wrenching to hear stories like Daniel's and know that he is one of | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
our many ex-servicemen not being looked after." "Another viewer says, | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
"Humans lives are more important than money. If it is, we must stop. | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
." Many charities, like Oxfam, | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
who received ?45 million in foreign aid, say they couldn't do their work | :49:06. | :49:07. | |
without that money. So what kind of projects | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
does it get spent on? Thank you for coming in. ?45 million | :49:11. | :49:19. | |
from the Government for Oxfam. Spent on what? We spend it in a number of | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
different countries in a number of different ways. Let me tell you | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
about three different countries where we spend it. The first country | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
is in Syria where there is a much publicised conflict. Oxfam is | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
working inside Syria where half the population are in need of | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
humanitarian assistance and what we do is we are working there to | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
provide 1.5 million people with access to clean water and | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
sanitation. It is really important work that we're doing there. In West | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
Africa, during the Ebola crisis, we helped 1.3 million people again with | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
money from the British Government and we helped people before the | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
crisis in terms of before as it was building in terms of understanding | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
about healthcare, hygiene, but also access again to clean water and | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
sanitation. But we are still there now. So carry on putting out public | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
messaging and helping people understand how important clean water | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
and sanitation is and the third country is a forgotten emergency in | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
the Democratic Republic of Congo, we are working with 1.5 million people | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
and there are a lot of people who are not able to return home | :50:28. | :50:29. | |
following the conflict there and they are at risk of violence and | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
theft and rape and we help them deal with road blocks and we are | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
providing clean water. What do you say to people who say charity should | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
begin at home? I think it is a false choice. The Panama Papers have shown | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
there is money that is there, but it is being secreted away in tax | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
havens. So the UK, we should be so proud of our aid money. We do | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
amazing and remarkable things on a daily basis. It saves lives. It | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
helps countries get ready for disasters when they are coming. It | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
helps countries deal with disasters and we help countries deal with them | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
in the aftermath the earthquake in Nepal is a good point. Why should | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
foreign aid be ring-fenced? It is important we ring-fence that money | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
because it is what countries need in order to plan. At Oxfam, we are | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
really grateful to the British Government for the support we | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
receive, but we still have to make choices about where we can deploy | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
our resources because we can't be everywhere. We have real | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
conversations when emergencies happen about where do we put our | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
resources? Where do we put our clean water provision? How do we manage | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
that. Sally, thank you. Listening to you a panel of viewers. We can talk | :51:43. | :51:54. | |
to Kema Allen and David who is retired and thinks foreign aid is a | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
vanity project, Joe supports foreign aid, but thinks more can be spent at | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
home. Marina says the UK has an obligation to help poorer countries. | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
David Thomas is retired. He thinks we can't afford to invest so much in | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
aid. Thank you very much for joining us. Let me start with you Kema, you | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
work in HR, and think foreign aid is vital. Why? Well, I think if we look | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
at what the British Government and the foreign aid has done to a number | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
of countries overseas in terms of helping humanitarian aid and | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
emergency aid, I think we have done a lot for a lot of countries who | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
desperately need the support and who really rely on the United Kingdom | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
and the British Government for their support. So I it would be a shame | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
for us to pull that away especially as we take a lead well, among the | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
other G7 countries to ensure that we are pushing and to lead the way in | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
that and I think we are taking a stand and I think we should carry on | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
doing that. David, you think it is a vanity project? Well, when it comes | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
to David Cameron and George Osborne, yes. It is part of there we are all | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
in it together, Big Society, but there is so much corruption with the | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
foreign aid, you take Pakistan, they are getting it for schools. The guy | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
who is getting the money is claiming for nine schools that don't exist. | :53:30. | :53:36. | |
On that, the Department for International Development says there | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
have been claims in newspapers things misrepresented and actually | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
everything is subject to rigorous interm and external checks and | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
scrutiny at all stages. There have been incidents where there have been | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
problems. If you could be guaranteed all the money was spent correctly, | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
would you be happy to see the money ring-fenced? Not ring-fenced, no. I | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
think we should target the aid we give and make sure it has been spent | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
correctly. Now, if we need less money, that's fine. If we need more | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
money, OK, we put more money in. Joe, a student who supports foreign | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
aid, but thinks more could be spent at home. What do you think about the | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
balance right now then? There are serious issues. There is a housing | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
crisis, there is foodbanks being used. There is low wages and | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
zero-hours contracts, there is serious issues that need to be | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
addressed in the country, but there doesn't have to be addressed by | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
taking money away from the poorest people in the world. That's a false | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
choice and it is them versus us or narrative that's been spread a lot | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
at the moment with the Ukip and the EU referendum. There is a sort of | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
idea that our problems are caused by things overseas and if we brought | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
them back, we would have more control over the borders or we can | :54:48. | :54:50. | |
have more control over our money and I think it is a false choice. What | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
do you think about the foreign aid budget? I think The Mail on Sunday | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
has done a good job by highlighting where it has gone wrong and I do | :54:59. | :55:07. | |
also think that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
money reaches the people who actually need it. So I am in favour | :55:12. | :55:18. | |
of foreign aid. If we start cutting now, the pressure will never stop. | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
Going back to what you were saying about, as I mentioned before, the | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
Department for International Development says not all the stories | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
that are out there are completely accurate and in terms of the money | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
that is being spent, it is scrutinised, would you happy if you | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
felt there was proper scrutiny? The problem is, it is scrutinised this | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
end, but we cannot really control if you give the money to the Pakistani | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
Government or elsewhere, we control it this side, but we don't | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
necessarily control it their end so yes, I mean, I do support foreign | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
aid and I support the 0.7% target as well because I said if we cut it | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
now, the pressure will never stop there will be more and more attempts | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
to cut it. I do think, I understand there is a pressure now on the | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
budget. We need to make sure that, you know, issues like Tata Steel and | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
other issues, the NHS, we need to spend money here too, but the money | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
can be raised elsewhere. For example, we can raise money | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
elsewhere. David Thomas, what do you think, David? Well, my personal view | :56:29. | :56:36. | |
is that there is ?16 billion I've read was put into foreign aid last | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
year. ?12.2 billion is the figure, yes. Is a that the exact figure, it | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
is only what I read. Now, there is, the Health Service is in trouble up | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
to ?15 billion a year. We have people still in all over England who | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
were in the floods, who are still suffering and they are trying to get | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
their act together. They are getting no help at all whatsoever. We have | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
all these charities who raise billions and billions of pounds, why | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
do we not use the charity? The people who use the money should be | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
given it. The British Government is running a deficit. So if you're | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
running a deficit, why do you borrow money to give away? It doesn't make | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
sense. Phil Taylor joining us now as well. What's your prospective? You | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
have launched a petition, I think, calling for the foreign aid budget | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
to be cut? I have in actual fact, yes. There is a lot of | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
misconceptions about us being a rich country. Greece has ?300 billion, we | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
are in debt for five times that amount of money. It does make things | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
difficult from that point of view. The best solution would be to make | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
camps happy, cut the ?12 billion aid in half, ?6 billion to stay in the | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
UK, ?6 billion for overseas aid, but all to be accountable. We have | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
rattled through hearing from all of you with your views on it. Thank you | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
very much all of you for joining us with your thoughts on that and thank | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
you at home as well for joining us on the programme today with your | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
thoughts and your company. On the programme tomorrow, we'll bring you | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
latest in interviews with London's mayoral candidates. You can see | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
Newsroom Live is coming up next. Thank you very much forryard company | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
today. Have a lovely day and I will see you at the same time tomorrow. | :58:23. | :58:23. | |
Bye-bye. | :58:24. | :58:31. |