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Over 14 pages, it sets out why the government believes

it is in Britain's interest to stay in the EU.

But those who disagree are furious that the government are using money

It is crazy to use that much taxpayer money on stuff to scare

people and to stampede people in one direction.

What we want is a proper and informed debate.

And if you are going to use taxpayers money you should allow

that for the other people to use it as well.

It will be sent to all 27 million UK households.

That's more than the ?7 million limit that each side

The government says it is giving the public the facts that they want.

It is important that people understand what

the government research shows, what the governments' information

shows and they can use to make their own decisions.

Those who want to leave the European Union say

that the distribution may be legal but it flies in the face

of the government's commitment to ensure a free

Where does this go from here? When I get these leaflets through the door

I usually throw them straight in the booing. What a storm has blown up

over this leaflet. Why? Because bluntly the Leave side think the

government is trying to rig the referendum by pumping out this

leaflets to all of our households, which we are paying for, total cost

?9 million, despite the fact they say the government had promised it

would not send out these mailshots and would not take a lead role in

the Remain campaign. They say the leaflet is one-sided. It just

prevents -- presents the government side. It talks about economic

uncertainty, chaos for ten years, mobile phone charges will go up, it

will cost us more to fly to Europe. They are incensed. Listen to the

former defence secretary, Liam Fox. To it is completely unacceptable. I

will be putting mine in an envelope and sending it back to Downing

Street. I would urge others to do the same. There will be an online

petition launched later today to make sure we get the issue discussed

in Parliament, so we can make no narrow road rage at what the

government has done. -- make known in our outrage. Michael Fallon says

the government is just setting out its case. The government is neutral.

It is on the side of remaining in the EU. So it is perfectly OK. We

have respected the rules. Parliament has set out what should happen in

the campaign. Both sides will be entitled to access taxpayer money to

send out their own leaflets. They can spend millions of pounds setting

out the arguments why they think we should leave or remain. What we have

done in this leaflet is set at the basic facts that have to be decided

on. And said that the government's judgment. My senses that the Leave

side are being a tad wide-eyed and innocent about all of this. The

government will fight tooth and nail to win this referendum because it is

a sort of winner takes all tussle. Should one be surprised? Not really.

They have already put out dossier is on the cost of the farming industry

-- to the farming industry. The cost to the city. The economic risks of

leaving. Some of the language has been rich. The PM has been out

pretty much every week twice a week. They are throwing everything at

this. Perhaps one should not be surprised they have also published

this leaflet. The leaflet is online. You can look at it on there. Thank

you. Here's Ben with

the rest of the news. Iceland's governing coalition has

chosen a new Prime Minister, after the leaked Panama papers

caused Sigmundur The Fisheries Minister

will be his successor until There have been public protests

in Rejkjavik calling for the entire A 14 year old girl who went missing

almost two weeks ago, has been found safe and well

by police in Wigan. Concerns had been growing

for the safety of Jade Lynch following her disappearance

in St Helens 11 days ago. Police say support from the public

was vital in finding Jade after her sister appealed

for her return. Half out people with poor mental

health have suffered suicidal thoughts and are particularly badly

affected by welfare cuts might to housing and social care. More than

1500 people who have used mental health services in the past couple

of years were surveyed. The government says it has increased

mental health funding to ?11.7 billion last year. Joanna will be

discussing this story in detail in the next few minutes.

A BBC Freedom of Information request has revealed inconsistencies

in specialist mental health treatment for outpatients

In some parts of the country over the past four years, waiting times

In Manchester, the average wait is 182 days - but only

around 20 days in Dorset, Dudley and north-east London.

The Department of Health says it's investing ?150 million in services

for young patients over the next five years .

The chief executive of the mental health network says more investment

is needed. Doctors and nurses are providing excellent services but

they are simply overwhelmed by the numbers. They are not getting the

support to deal with the demand. We have a postcode lottery of access,

which your story clearly exposes. The reasons for that is because we

do not have any effect of access standards and we do not actually

have the investment in those services.

Four migrant children will arrive in the UK from Calais this morning,

after being allowed to stay with their families

here while their asylum claims are assessed.

The teenagers are from Syria and Afghanistan, and are among

the first to arrive under newly-enforced EU laws.

The charity Citizens UK is calling for the government to do more

to help other children in similar situations.

English councils are warning the ?50 million the government has

promised to fix potholes this year is nowhere near enough.

The Local Government Association says the true cost of repairing

crumbling roads is more than 230 times that amount.

They can trip you up, knock you off your bike or damage

In the aftermath of the winter frosts can split the asphalt.

Potholes are the deepest and nastiest at this time of year.

So the government is putting a ?50 million funding boost to help

The biggest chunk of a it is going to Southwest.

The West Midlands gets five points ?7 million.

The north-east is receiving the smallest allocation

As roughly ?50 a piece, this funding would fix just over 1 million holes.

The Local Government Association say the money being promised is nowhere

near the ?11.8 billion they say is needed to bring roads up to scratch.

It claimed councils have become trapped in an endless cycle

This money is not nearly enough to properly smooths the way.

NHS England says the second day of the latest strike by junior doctors

is likely to be more difficult for the health service. They are

providing only emergency care today because of a dispute with the

government over the imposition of a new contract. More than 5000

procedures have been postponed as a result of the 48-hour walk-out.

There's more bad news for Marks and Spencer this morning.

Clothing and home sales at the famous retailer fell by 2.7%

The firm's new chief executive, Steve Rowe, says he'll remain

personally in charge of that part of the business because he's

"personally committed" to getting it right.

Food sales were flat during the same period -

One of the world's rarest and most sought after books has been

discovered in a private library on the Scottish island of Bute.

The First Folio of William Shakespeare, published in 1623,

contains copies of many of the bard's most famous plays

which would otherwise have been lost.

The discovery comes shortly before the 400th anniversary

of Shakespeare's death later this month.

That is a summary of the latest news.

We are talking to two women who have been affected by the junior doctors

strike this morning. Have you been affected? If you have, let us know.

Time to catch up with the sport. A pretty good night for a Manchester

City? It was not brilliant but it could

have been worse. Their first Champions League quarterfinal at

just about everything. Joe Hart saved a penalty against Paris

Saint-Germain. They took the lead, went behind. It finished 2-2. Kevin

De Bruyne put Manchester City ahead. Ibrahimovic levelled. The French

champions went 2-1 ahead but Fernandinho scored a scrappy but

what could be a priceless equaliser. Manchester City take two away goals

into the second leg. It is a very good result. We were playing a --

against a very good team away. To scored two goals is also very

important. We need to play a very good game in Manchester because we

are going to play against a team that have good players.

There was a big shock in the first leg of the other tie in Germany.

Wolfsburg were also playing their first Champions League quarterfinal.

They beat ten time European champions Real Madrid. It was 2-0.

The Masters tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy would be the last man

on the course. He has had his ups and downs at Augusta. Throwing away

a four shot lead on the final day in 2011. Last year he finished fourth

behind Jordan Spieth. Stephen Watson is there.

Jason Day starts as favourite for a golf's most exclusive event. The

world number one has had six wins in his last 13 worldwide starts and has

been dominating the game. He has also finished second and third at

Augusta before. There are plenty of other contenders, including Rory

McIlroy. He tees off in the final group this afternoon, trying to

become the sixth golfer in history to win the Grand Slam of all four

majors. Then there is the American, Jordan Spieth, who may not have had

a great start to this season. But in his two Masters appearances he has

finished second and first. I'm going to try to use last year as

momentum. We know we are capable of playing this place. I am putting

pressure on myself to content this year, just like last year, and I

feel like I am in form as well. But it is also going to be a lot of fun

walking these fairways, with the memories of the crowds. There are a

host of other challengers, including winners already this season, bubba

Watson, Adam Scott and Rickie Fowler, who are set to make it a

very entertaining and exciting next four days.

There is always a par three competition at Augusta on the eve of

the tournament. This year, a record-breaking nine holes in one.

One of them belonging to an absolute legend of the game. At 80 years old,

Gary player can still do that. It has been a long career but that was

his 31st hole in one. He was planning alongside Jack Nicklaus and

Tom Watson. The combined age, 222. It gives hope to assault. Back with

the headlines just after ten. At half-past ten we will be chatting to

our man in Europe ahead of the Dortmund and Liverpool tie tonight.

Housing, debt and welfare - all social issues that are claimed

to be leading one in two people with mental health problems

The charity, Mind, is today warning that the type of local services that

help those very people are under threat from spending cuts,

despite the government saying it has increased mental health

funding to an estimated ?11.7 billion last year.

More than 1,500 people who have used mental health services

in the last two years, were surveyed on behalf of Mind.

Out of those, 41% said they had considered or attempted suicide

because of financial or housing pressures.

29% said that a fear of losing or the loss of welfare benefits.

Losing their job or difficulties at work was the reason 29% of people

said they had considered taking their own life.

29% said it relationship breakdown was a contributory factor.

We can speak now to Sue Jackson, who has suffered with

Tom Pollard, Mind policy and campaigns manager.

Jake Mills, who tried to take his own life after getting

into problems with money amongst other things,

and has since started a charity to help others.

And finally, Anne Thorn, whose son took his own life.

At the inquest into his death, the coroner said that worry

over his debt had been a major contributory factor.

Thank you very much for coming in. Tom, I ran through a lot of

statistics there. What is going on behind these statistics? Mind has

known for a long time that for people with mental health problems,

staying well goes beyond treatment from doctors. Issues like housing,

debt, that can have a big impact on people's mental health, but even we

were shocked that such a high proportion of people have been

driven to extreme thoughts as a result of those problems. These are

issues affecting most of us on a daily basis. If it affecting people

in a different way from before? What is going on? Across a range of

issues, we know that people with mental health problems are more

likely to experience issues like debt and more likely to need

benefits and housing help, but when they have issues at having more

profound impact on them. Everybody experiences these problems, but with

mental health issues, it is a double whammy and make life even harder.

46% of people with mental health problems have thought about or tried

to end their own life. Were you surprised the figure was that high?

I was. What we know is that the local services that we are talking

about with our life-support campaign can be the difference between life

and death. For people suffering with those problems, having somebody

supporting them through managing their finances or applying for

benefits can really make the difference to people between not

being able to cope and being able to cope. Sue, you have mental health

problems which began when he had issues around your housing. How

quickly did it start to impact on you in a way that you realised was

seriously causing you problems? Firstly, thank you very much for

inviting me on your show. I experienced problems with the

neighbours and I am quite resilient person and I had a good job and I

was managing my life, but because of the intensity of the issues, I

reached a point where I couldn't cope with things and it was a very

low point in my life. So how did you feel? I felt extremely desperate and

at times I just couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel. It

made me feel very depressed. It affected my appetite, it affected my

sleep, it affected my whole life. I just found I couldn't cope. You said

that prior to that, you had thought of yourself as quite a resilient

person. Yes, I did, and I am a resilient person, but when these

problems with housing started, it affected my finances, it affected

relationships, and... It made you feel vulnerable on all fronts? It

did. I have never been that lower in my life before and I do consider

myself as a very strong woman, as I have said before, but I was so

vulnerable that I needed quite a lot of support. At this point, I found

that having support from charities is something that really, really

keeps me going. Without the support of charities like Mind, I don't know

how I would manage. Anne, your son very sadly took his own life, and at

the inquest the coroner said that worry over debt had been a major

contributory factor. Had you been concerned that your son was

vulnerable? Well, it is difficult to say because he was 23, he had been

at university and he had dropped out. But everyone in the University,

this sums to be a normal 23-year-old young man's problems. How many

students don't have problems with money? I had been asked to pay his

rent a couple of times, yes. He had a big student overdraft with the

bank, so yes, I was aware of it, but was I worried that he was going to

take his own life? No. I just wasn't aware of the shocking statistics. I

think my view is that the debt possibly was the straw that broke

the camel's back. I don't believe that he killed himself just because

he was in debt. From what I understand now about suicide, it is

very complex. As your article this morning is showing, it can be that

final thing that pushes somebody over the edge because they're coping

skills have gone by that point. Whether it is your job, debt, a

relationship, it can be the final factor unfortunately. Tom, suicide

leaves everybody around that person after they have gone thinking that

it is something we could have helped with, we could have changed

something. But obviously nobody knows at the time how desperately

somebody is feeling inside. What can be done to help when there are

clearly a lot of people out there feeling desperate and probably not

passing it on? I think some of this is about the stigma around mental

health and getting to the point where people feel they can speak out

would be a huge step. With this campaign in particular, we are

saying that there is huge support that people can be provided with

from local services, like Mind and Citizens Advice Bureau. It is about

people recognising that they may need to go the extra mile to help

someone but what we are seeing is that at local level services are

struggling with funding, local cuts, services to legal aid. It means that

people are struggling to get the support, it means they go into

crisis and need costly support from the NHS. That is a false economy.

And for your son, did you feel there were ways that it could have been

different? I don't know if he would have gone to a charity or ADP. With

young men, they just don't talk. It is all very well to talk about these

resources, but I think everyone of us has a role to play. We need start

talking about suicide and looking out for each other and creating

suicide free communities, where we can talk to people and ask if they

are suicidal. GPs need to be trained. We can all contribute by

talking about it and removing the stigma. If I tell people that my son

died, and they look sympathetic, and then I say that he killed himself, a

lot of people change the subject. They don't know what to say and I

think we need to change that attitude as well. How do you feel at

that point? What do you want people to say and what do you say to them?

I would like them to acknowledge it in the same way as if my son died of

cancer. It is an illness. He was depressed and it is an illness. I

want people to say I am sorry and not to be afraid to talk to me about

it. I still want to talk about my son and for it's not to be a big

stigma. I have worked with Papyrus, a charity that helps reduce young

suicide. All of us that have been affected have now got a role to

play, to speak up and spread the word. Getting people more aware of

it would go a long way to helping. Jake, you tried to take your own

life. What was going on in your life that made you feel like you couldn't

go on? A lot of things, really. It wasn't anything in particular. I

couldn't tell you a moment that made me depressed or the moment I became

depressed. There were a lot of different things going on.

Relationship issues, many issues. I was on the dole and for me that was

a really significant and really massively low moment. It was just a

lot of different issues really, that all built up. This is the thing,

when you are depressed, something that might not seem that big a deal

for some people can be the biggest thing and the biggest deal in the

world for others. It is just that building on top of each other that

can weigh so heavily on you. That is what it was for me. It was a

combination of different things. Each and every one of them felt like

the biggest thing in the world. The point that has just been made there,

when that lady was saying that she wanted to talk about her son and

nobody knows what to say, that is the problem. That is the main

problem. We don't know what to say and people don't know enough about

suicide and depression and mental illness. We simply don't know enough

about it to be able to talk about it and that is what we need to be

addressing. What was it for you that turned things around? Was there a

moment that something clicked? Did somebody say something to you that

made you think, yes, I get it, the sun will shine again?

Unfortunately for me there was not a moment, not a good story for me

coming around. The turning point for me was the moment after I attempted

suicide and I was found. The lack of support that I received from the

police and everywhere else, I didn't have anything at all. I didn't have

any advice, I didn't have any signposting, nothing. I got zero

support and for me that was the turning point. I decided to speak

out about it because rumours were spreading. I decided to speak out

about it and by doing that, purely just to try and clear it, to get

this weight off my shoulders, the response that I was getting from

people who said they felt the same way, people

who were going through the same thing and thought they were the only

ones, that massive response that I was getting from strangers all over

the world, every time I did an interview or spoke openly about it,

the amount of people who came to me and said they felt alone and felt

like the only ones and didn't realise there was help available,

for me that was the turning point. That alone. The realisation that

millions of people are going through exactly the same thing at the same

time but feeling like they are the only ones. That was the turning

point for me because I decided to do something. It gave me my purpose

back. It gave me a meaning, something to do. That is what has

helped me in my recovery really. Anne, you are nodding as you are

listening. Yes, this is all too common, especially in young men, I

have found. They just don't... All his friends, their lives have been

shattered for ever as well. At the funeral, I thought they should be

going to parties and not funerals. They were shattered and they said

they had no idea. He came across as a carefree, happy-go-lucky person,

because he was keeping it all inside. The message to young men is

that it is not located tell your mates if you are feeling BLEEP. This

has got to change. I applaud this young man. This is the kind of thing

that comforts me. It is too late for my son but it comforts me to see

people out there to change this attitude and get young people, well,

anyone, but especially young men, to talk to each other about their

issues, instead of thinking it is weak and you have got to be manly

and not talk about the problem. Tom, we talk about mental health so much

now, and yet there is still that fear for many that it is a sign of

vulnerability and burdening others if you talk to them about it.

I think we have come a long way. There is still a huge way to go. We

see greater commitment around mental health services but we see great

inequality in terms of access. We need to get to the point where

people understand that mental health is as much a social thing as it is a

clinical thing. It is about people needing support from a range of

sources. I've found that I became very isolated. It is difficult to

talk about problems. When I felt very overwhelmed with the issues I

was having with the housing, I've found that I got a lot of support

from the police. But the other services that could have supported

me were sadly very lacking. I found that there was a lot of care from my

neighbourhood police. In my case it was unrelenting racism against me.

And threats of violence. This is something that when I started

talking about it, I found that quite a lot of people from ethnic

minorities go through what I have been through. And I found talking

about it is therapeutic. I like to get involved in services to try to

give the patient experience. The common thread is vulnerability,

absolute fear about where your life is going. What can we all do to

build greater resilience? What gives one person the resilience to deal

with the situation, whereas another person will find something

devastating and will be floored by it? Sometimes it can be about the

support network. Sometimes it will be whether they have access to

services from charities or from the state. It is about people knowing

where to look for advice. Also it is about government, local authority,

making sure the support is available and understanding how important that

is. Lots of people getting in touch. Matthew has said support needed. No

help given whatsoever, says another. Driven to despair. Matthew feels it

is terrible that so many people are driven to despair by the policies of

this comment which penalise the vulnerable. Jane says fear of debt

harm so is because they have been targeted unfairly. Robert says he

attempted suicide nearly 18 months ago after suffering serious health

issues and losing his job because of his inability to work. His

relationship broke down as well. If he had had support before his

initial illness, things may not have spiralled out of control. And

Stewart says people are struggling to cope. Your survey shows how many

people are thinking of ending their own lives. In terms of the

statistics, are more people ending their lives? I think we see

fluctuations in suicide rates. Sometimes it is linked to people

losing their jobs. We also know that there are real issues out there

about people getting access to the support they need. At local level

there are cutbacks. It is tied for local authorities. We understand

that. But what we are saying today is if that support is not there,

that can be the difference between people coping and not coping. You

have older sieving through a dreadful time, and. How have you got

through that? You are incredibly strong. Yes, it is absolutely

shattered my life. He was my only child. They knock on the door by a

policeman on a Sunday night and your life is just shattered. Initially I

was just angry that I did not know this was something I should worry

about. Because of the stigma. I did not know my son was more likely to

die from suicide than anything else. I was worried about drugs and drunk

drivers. I have told similar to that young man. Odd choice have I got? I

cannot bring him back. I have started blogging. People then got in

touch with me. I started a support group for bereaved parents, bereaved

by suicide, because we have a specific terrible guilt when your

child takes their life. And just campaigning. That has helped me. I

have not had much support. When I went to my GP, the ironic thing is

that when you have been affected by suicide, it can make you suicidal

yourself. When I went to my GP, I was not signposted to anyone. They

could put me on a six-month waiting list for CBT or something. I tell

people to go to their GP but then you think, what can they do? It is

getting communities to group together and see what we can do

ourselves. And yes, signpost people to support that is there. It is also

about changing attitudes. I think that all teachers and lecturers

should get training. I have been on a two day course which is like a

first aid course for suicide. It helps to spot someone who may be

silica -- suicidal and how to talk to them. Teachers and tutors should

be getting this training. We all go on first aid courses. If somebody is

watching and they are worried about someone, you say you have had

training to spot the signs. What would you look for and how would you

broach it? You ask them. It has been proved you cannot put a suicidal

thought in somebody's head. You will not make them think about killing

themselves if they have not already. Just ask them. Have you thought

about taking your own life? If they say yes, you can assess it. Have you

made a plan? Then you can say to them, would you let me help you get

help? Call a helpline. You can actually help them. But broach it.

Do not be afraid to ask. Jake, you are nodding. You got to rock bottom

before things turn around. Would somebody help talking -- talking to

live that have made a difference? I absolutely agree that you cannot

pussyfoot around it. You have to speak to someone and be quite blunt

about it. But absolutely, I agree with the point that has been made.

What is so important to these community groups that are around,

and unfortunately I lacking funding, is they are the people who can make

the difference, they are on the ground. They are the grassroots

organisations who can help to prevent people from getting to a

crisis point. That is what we need to focus on. That is something I

personally noticed a lot. There are a lot of people doing a lot of good

stuff but nobody knows about it. That is something I want to address.

I am trying to create a national database of all of these

organisations that exist. The main thing we need to say to people is

that there is help available and you can get through it and you will get

through it. I was there, I got through it. I promise you, if you

are feeling suicidal, if you are feeling that low that you think you

will never get through it, I felt I would never be the person I am

today. I felt I would never be that person again. I am telling you, you

will be. I am that person again. My life has completely turned around

because I started to accept that it was an illness, that I was going

through something, and telling people, and knowing people are there

to help and support you. People will not judge you. You need to be honest

with people and yourself. Thank you so much for joining us,

all of you. Thank you for your comments as well.

A Government spokesperson said: "We want people to get the help

they need before they reach a point of mental health crisis,

which is why we increased mental health funding to an estimated

The Local Government Association also provided us with a statement.

If you want help or advice on any of the issues we've been discussing

I would like to say just one thing that has helped me is my

spirituality. There is a lot to be said for faith communities helping

people in the community to cope. That is what has given me hope. And

when you are down and out, the only thing you can hold onto sometimes is

hope that things will get better. Thank you, Sue. Still to come,

campaigning for the London mayoral election. We are continuing our back

of the cab quiz questions with key candidates. Norman spit is talking

to Psion Berry. -- Norman Spitz is talking to Sian Berry.

When Louise Coast-Smith was diagnosed with a brain tumour,

her family were determined to live life to the full and they

Now after her death, her husband and two teenage

daughters are honouring her memory by completing it.

Here's Ben with a summary of the news.

Campaigners who want the UK to leave the European Union have accused

the government of scaring voters and wasting money.

Their anger concerns a leaflet being sent to every household,

setting out the case for staying in the EU.

There'll also be social media posts and a new website.

David Cameron says the campaign will provide the public with key

Iceland's governing coalition has chosen a new Prime Minister,

after the leaked Panama papers caused Sigmundur

The Fisheries Minister will be his successor until

There have been public protests in Rejkjavik calling for the entire

A 14 year old girl who went missing almost two weeks ago,

has been found safe and well by police in Wigan.

Concerns had been growing for the safety of Jade Lynch

following her disappearance in St Helens 11 days ago.

Police say support from the public was vital in finding Jade

after her sister appealed for her return.

A BBC Freedom of Information request has revealed inconsistencies

in specialist mental health treatment for outpatients

In some parts of the country over the past four years, waiting times

In Manchester, the average wait is 182 days, but only

around 20 days in Dorset, Dudley and north-east London.

The Department of Health says it's investing ?150 million in services

for young patients over the next five years.

Moore at ten o'clock. Now let's join or leave for the sports headlines.

The first leg of Manchester City's first Champions League quarterfinal

ended in a two draw against Paris Saint-Germain last night. -- 2-2.

Joe Hart saved a penalty. Kevin De Bruyne and Fernandinho scored for

City. There was a shock in Germany as Wolfsburg beat ten time European

champions Real Madrid 2-0. To night, Jurgen Klopp returns to his old

club, Borussia Dortmund, with Liverpool in the Europa League

quarterfinals. We are live in Germany in the next hour. And the

Masters tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy still waiting for his

first green jacket. He is in the final group in Augusta.

Coming up, we will be speaking to the family completing the bucket

list made by their mum, who died 18 months ago.

All this week we're hearing from some of the candidates standing

Our political guru, Norman Smith, has taken Labour's Sadiq Khan

and Conservative's Zac Goldsmith for a spin in his cab.

And today he's joined by the Green Party's Sian Berry.

Thanks very much. I should not really be in a cab today. I am with

the Green mayoral candidate. We should be on our bicycles but we

will pass on that because it is damp. What are the key issues for

the Greens? Transport is obviously a huge issue. The problem in London is

there are too many cars. This is an issue any new mayor will have to

deal with. Traffic is increasing. We need to not make it worse by

building new roads. It would just increase air pollution and traffic

across a wide area. We cannot keep widening the road is to make more

room. We have to reduce traffic. What about banning people from

driving cars on alternate days? That is an emergency measure for air

pollution reasons. On certain days you could have

restrictions on certain types of vehicles coming in. You could run

different types of schemes like that. What is most important is

having a long-term plan that gives people better options. That is the

only way to do it and we need to be investing in new cycle lanes and

shifting road space the away from traffic and into more efficient

methods that we have. What about the congestion charge? It costs you more

to get the bus and tube in and out. The cost of public transport has

gone up more quickly than the congestion charge, which isn't fair.

I would bring down the fares to get people onto public transport and I

would do that by bringing down the fares in outer London to the same

levels that people pay in central London. I would get rid of the zone

system which is anachronistic and snobbery. We need to pay for that

and my fares plan is costed and paid for because we need a new smarter

congestion charge system. All of the businesses are calling for that. We

know that you will oppose Heathrow expansion and what people don't know

is that you would like to close down City Airport. What happened to the

people working there? At the moment, it is a convenient place for people

in the City to use. There are not many flights and it is a niche

airport. When Crossrail opens you will be able to get from the City to

Heathrow in half an hour and to me that is an opportunity to reuse the

space that their board uses up, 500,000 square metres. OK, but what

about the 2000 people who work at the airport? Goodbye to their jobs?

The other airports can easily absorb the flights and therefore the jobs

as well. Then we could build a new quarter for London. Holmes,

business, universities, and there would be many more jobs on that site

if we redeveloped it so it isn't just for aeroplanes. The London

questions. You are a Camden woman, aren't you? So this is easy. The

Northern line. You use it, this is easy. Which branch of the Northern

line is Mornington Crescent on? The Charing Cross branch. Easy. Bridges.

Westminster, Lambeth, what next? Southwark? No, Boxall. What started

at pudding lane? The great fire of London. First and oldest Indian

restaurant in London? 1926. Last question since we are in a cab, what

our cab drivers talking about when they say it is time for Churchill?

No idea. Tell me! Time for a meal because Winston Churchill introduced

legislation to say that cab drivers didn't have to take a fair if they

were hungry. We learn new everyday. Workers rights, I like it! That is

the Green Party's agenda for London with the mayoral candidate Sian

Berry. Thank you very much. See you later.

In total, 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor

of London in the election on the 5th May.

You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site.

And if you want to watch Norman's interviews

with Zac Goldsmith, Sadiq Khan or Peter Whittle,

you can find them on our programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria.

And tomorrow, Norman will be talking to Caroline Pidgeon,

Coming up: Two teenage girls who walked away laughing after they

batted a woman to death will be sentenced today. We will be speaking

to a psychologist to ask what leads children to behave in this way and

whether they can be rehabilitated. When Louise Coast-Smith

was diagnosed with a brain tumour, she became determined to live

the rest of her life to the full. Even when undergoing treatment she,

her husband Alastair and their two daughters,

Rebecca and Natasha, tried to cram in as many

life-enriching experiences as possible, from going on exotic

holidays to taking part But sadly, in 2014, Louise was given

eight weeks to live, and the family wrote a bucket list

of things they still wanted to do. Now, Alistair, Rebecca and Natasha

are working their way through that list - and their grief -

together and raising They're here to tell

us about their story. Thank you for coming in and talking

to us. You did live life to the full, because this shadow of a brain

tumour was hanging over you for a very long time, wasn't it, Alistair?

It was always there from 1998 when she was originally diagnosed and had

the operation to remove it. We took a very active view that we would not

let it restrain us and we would live life to the full, above all starting

a family after that, which was a big decision to take. At that point, did

you start doing things effectively as they little? We call it a bucket

list but actually it was a way of living. We always wanted to be very

active, we always had planned for the future, and realise that weekend

is booked out for the whole year, going away, camping. Louise loved

camping, she was obsessive about it. Basically being very active with the

girls as they grew up. Then as she deteriorated towards the end, we

still had a lot of stuff, lots of things. A dynamic woman, your mum,

it sounds like. Definitely. What things did you do that were

particularly special? We did so much together. We would go on holidays

every year. We still do. But we would go camping all the time. She

loved it. Every time we went out, she was eager to do stuff with us,

to be outdoors, and she was up for anything. A good example is that at

the beginning of the summer holidays we would go away for the entire six

weeks. She hated that the holidays were so short. Some parents find

holidays difficult but for her it was the most important thing, having

time with the kids and doing various different things. She died 18 months

ago and you have been nonstop since, is that fair to say? That is fair.

What sort of things have you done? Lots of things. Before Louise died,

we booked a skydiving, indoor skydiving experience, which we did.

There were specific things, like go to the Imperial War Museum. With it

being 2014, she was keen for us and the kids to experience that. And the

Lowry in Manchester. She enjoyed art and wanted kids to enjoy it and see

that you can express yourself in many ways. She found it inspiring in

that sense, the Lowry, so we went there to experience it. Listening to

you all, it is inspiring to see how through such adversity, there is

this absolute appetite and desire to live. Absolutely. That is how she

lived. She wouldn't let anything stop her or put her down. The fact

that she had a brain tumour didn't stop doing anything whatsoever. It

was a background thing that she had to live with, and we all did, but we

still got on and did what we wanted to do. A good example of that, she

used to play the flute and the cello but she thought she was not so good

at that, so she adopted new things. Running was something she got into,

so she ran the London Marathon in 2006, even though she was never a

run by nature. And she did various other challenges over the course of

her time, so she did a coast-to-coast cycle ride with some

friends. She did the Edinburgh moonwalk for breast cancer. She did

a cycle ride from Edinburgh to St Andrews, 70 miles, for the brain

tumour charity, which is something she has raised money for over the

years and we are keen to highlight the fact that it doesn't get the

research funding that it deserves, from our point of view. She raised

money doing that. That cycle ride was actually two weeks into her

radiotherapy. Gosh. How much has all of this helped you to get through

your grief? A lot. I know that I want to carry on because I know that

she was like that. I wouldn't let something stopped me. I want to make

her proud now and not sit and grieve loads. I want to go out there and do

stuff and do well to make her proud. Good for you. You must be proud of

your mum. Of course. She did so many amazing things. The marathon, the

cycle rides, and she has raised so much money. It is a big inspiration.

What is the best thing that you have done on the list? That is quite

hard. I really enjoyed the Lowry. It was quite inspiring to see different

sorts of art. I know that she would enjoy it because she loved paintings

as well. It is like passing her inspiration on to me. Tell me about

the panto. Did you all do it together? That is something. What

happened? Well, it is just the local pantomime and everyone gets involved

and it is a good community event. The one only to together was no

white. Who was what? -- the one we did together was snow-white. My dad

was the game, which was quite embarrassing. I was in the chorus.

Do you feel like you are honouring Louise and that she is living on

through what you are doing? Absolutely. It was the way she

lived. She inculcated in the girls the way to live and it is inspiring.

When she died a lot of people said some very flattering and nice things

about her. When you met her, she was full of enthusiasm and joie de vivre

that was very powerful. People took that from her. People don't always

know how to respond when somebody dies but I guess your approach has

actually made it quite easy for all of those around you to deal with it,

do you think? People find it hard to bring it up but we don't want her

memory to go. Not that it would, but we want to talk about her because

she was our mother, my dad's wife, and such a big part of our life that

we don't want people to avoid talking about her. We love talking

about her and keeping her alive. People watching at getting in touch.

Brave family talking about their wonderful mother's bucket lift. Good

luck to them. And this one, can't cope with any more emotion. Makes

you realise life is precious and should be lived to the full. You are

a family of list makers. What are the big things on the horizon for

you? Ahead of us? We used to do various city trips and we haven't

been to Liverpool. We almost went. We were passing through on a trip to

Ulster. And the girls have got some big school foreign trips coming up,

which will be individual but big things for them. So carry on gaining

new experiences and travelling a bit. Thank you for coming on. It is

good to talk to you. Still to come, we are talking about her social

issues such as debt can drive those with mental health issues to

despair. One in two have attempted to or thought about ending their own

lives as a result. Now we can catch up with the weather. Some better

weather in prospect for much of the UK. Tomorrow, we are dodging the

downpours once again. An area of rain has been affecting parts of

North West England and Wales today. It is spreading to the South. It may

not clear the South until the afternoon. Showers down the eastern

part of the UK leaving many of us in the West with quieter, sunnier

weather to end the day. Still on the cool side but the winds will be

easing a touch, so that is an improvement. Height averages of nine

to 12. The process of the winds easing will continue into tonight

and with the showers fading away, most of us will be dry after

midnight. It will turn quite cold with some frost in places. I

suggested a better day on the way for tomorrow. You may catch a shower

along the eastern parts of the UK, may be heavy, but most of us will

not. With wintry sunshine it will be pleasant. This weather system will

bring rain across Northern Ireland as we go through the afternoon and

as you can see it is pushing into western parts of the UK into the

evening tomorrow. This band of rain on Saturday morning could be sitting

along the eastern side of the UK and across much of Scotland. It

gradually pulls away and then Saturday offers sunshine and showers

and Sunday looks similar. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11: A 14-page

leaflet is being sent to every household in the UK -

at a cost of ?9 million to the taxpayer - sets out the case

for remaining in the European Union. Critics say it's a disgraceful

use of public money. Almost half of people with mental

health problems have considered or attempted to end their own lives

in the last two years, as a result of social

factors such as debt, housing and welfare problems,

or relationship problems. This is all too common, and

especially in young men, because they just do not... The lives of his

friends have been shattered. At the funeral, I thought they should be

going to parties, not their friend's funeral. More on that in a moment.

A barrister who woke up to find his teenager

lover dead alongside him, tells the BBC how a normal Monday

turned into the most traumatic experience of his life.

He faces jail for supplying drugs and admits he only

While the ambulance took over trying to resuscitate Miguel, I was being

guarded by police. The most traumatic experience one has ever

been through. You have woken up next to a dead person, you have tried

CPR, and you are treated like a criminal.

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

The government has defended its decision to deliver a leaflet

to every home in the UK, setting out its case for remaining

The move has been criticised by Leave campaigners

who say the nine million pound cost is outrageous.

In the coming weeks you can expect a delivery of what looks like

Over 14 pages, it sets out why the government believes

it is in Britain's interest to stay in the EU.

But those who disagree are furious that the government are using money

It is crazy to use that much taxpayer money on stuff to scare

people and to stampede people in one direction.

What we want is a proper and informed debate.

And if you are going to use taxpayers' money you should allow

that for the other people to use it as well.

It will be sent to all 27 million UK households.

That's more than the ?7 million limit that each side

The government says it is giving the public the facts that they want.

It is important that people understand what

the government research shows, what the government's information

shows and they can use to make their own decisions.

Those who want to leave the European Union say

that the distribution may be legal but it flies in the face

of the government's commitment to ensure a free

Iceland's governing coalition has chosen a new Prime Minister,

after the leaked Panama papers caused Sigmundur

The Fisheries Minister will be his successor until

There have been public protests in Rejkjavik calling for the entire

Four migrant children are arriving in the UK from Calais anytime now,

after being allowed to stay with their families

here while their asylum claims are assessed.

The teenagers are from Syria and Afghanistan, and are among

the first to arrive under newly-enforced EU laws.

The charity Citizens UK is calling for the government to do more

to help other children in similar situations.

NHS England says that the second day of the latest strike by junior

doctors is likely to be more difficult for the health service.

They are providing only emergency care, because of a dispute

with the government about the imposition of a new contract.

More than 5,000 procedures have been postponed as a result

of the 48-hour walkout, which began at eight

A 14 year old girl who went missing almost two weeks ago,

has been found safe and well by police in Wigan.

Concerns had been growing for the safety of Jade Lynch

following her disappearance in St Helens 11 days ago.

Police say support from the public was vital in finding Jade

after her sister appealed for her return.

There's more bad news for Marks and Spencer this morning.

Clothing and home sales at the famous retailer fell by 2.7%

The firm's new chief executive, Steve Rowe, says he'll remain

personally in charge of that part of the business because he's

Food sales were flat during the same period.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

We are going to be talking to two women love that operations cancelled

because of the junior doctors strike. Have you been affected? --

who have had operations cancelled. If you text, you will be charged at

the standard network rate. Time for sport now,

and Olly Foster is back with news Absolutely, it is all about European

football this week. Manchester City have got two pressures away goals to

take into their second leg against Paris Saint-Germain. Attention now

turns to the Europa League quarterfinals. The only British

representative is Liverpool. They face Borussia Dortmund. Conor

McNamara would be commentating on five live later. He is in position

nice and early. Let's Twell on the match in Paris last night.

Manchester City breaking new ground. They will have real belief now that

they can get into the semifinals? Overall it has been a disappointing

season for Manchester City domestically. But they have a chance

to make an impact in Europe. They have never been this far. To get a

draw against Paris Saint-Germain in Paris is not a bad result. The last

39 home games in Europe for Paris Saint-Germain, they have only been

beaten once, and that was by Barcelona. For Manchester City to

get the two away goals, they will be pleased. Both teams will be

disappointed with their defending but Manchester City will take place.

It has been a good week for Germany. Bayern Munich got their win on

Tuesday. Last night Wolfsburg stunned ten time European champions

Real Madrid. I was in Dortmund last night and all of the attention was

on Wolfsburg against Real Madrid. They did really well. They started

brightly. They got the early goals. And for Wolfsburg, they will see

this as a real scalp. They have got a little bit of wriggle room going

into the second leg. Real Madrid, who had beaten Barcelona four days

previously, I think it was a real come down to earth. Ronaldo was

poor, Gareth Bale never got going. Wolfsburg wanted it more. To the

Europa League, this is such a standout tie, Dortmund against

Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp returning to his old stomping ground. It is a

place where he is revered still? Yes, they erected a joke sign two

point Jurgen Klopp to which dressing room he goes to. It has been done in

a friendly manner. It is a quick return to Dortmund for Juergen

Klopp. Can you imagine if Alex Ferguson brought another team back

to old Trafford to play Manchester United? It is that kind of welcome.

Klopp had huge success with Dortmund. He won the Bundesliga, he

won the double, he got to the Champions League final. He brought

great success with very attractive football. They love him here.

Normally at these Uefa press conferences, the media are only

allowed to film the first ten minutes of training. Klopp said they

could stay for the whole training session. That shows how comfortable

he is. The cameras were trained on him, not the team. Sometimes you

just want ten minutes to get off to do your work! There was some talk

that the host broadcaster was going to have a camera on Klopp for 90

minutes. That has been shelved. The attention will be on him. Will he be

able to focus? I think you will be pleased. At the end of the day he

will want to win this game. If it takes pressure off his players, I

think Klopp will gladly absorb that extra pressure. There is a museum

here. Inside, one of the prize replicas, not replicas, but the real

thing, were the glasses he broke a few years ago when, in celebration

of a win, Klopp managed to break his glasses. That is how highly regarded

he is. And yet the attention will be on Klopp To night. Some people are

talking about it being the Juergen Klopp derby. It is a quick return.

He will not be celebrating if Dortmund score. It's doable

goal-scorer he will be celebrated. -- if Liverpool scored he will be

celebrating. Conor McNamara. Very jealous because

the Dortmund Stadium is on my bucket list. The Masters, the first major

of the year, tees off this afternoon. We have shown a Gary

player's hole in one area. There were a few decent putts. Nick Faldo.

You think that is way word. Where EC aiming for? What happens. Faldo

reads the green to absolute perfection. Will it make it? He

reels it in like a fish. Will it drop? It will. Otherwise we would

not show it! Then he plays to the galleries. Here he goes. Quicker

than me! After every bulletin I do that in the newsroom. I do not get

that kind of reaction though. I will be back in about 20 minutes.

I have seen you! Housing, debt and welfare -

all social issues that are claimed to be leading one in two people

with mental health problems The charity, Mind, is today warning

that the type of local services that help those very people are under

threat from spending cuts, despite the government saying it has

increased mental health funding to an estimated

?11.7 billion last year. More than 1,500 people who have used

mental health services in the last two years were surveyed

on behalf of Mind. Out of those, 41% said they had

considered or attempted suicide because of financial

or housing pressures. 29% said that a fear of losing

or the loss of welfare benefits. Losing their job or difficulties

at work was the reason, 29% of people said they had

considered taking their own life And a further, 29% said it

relationship breakdown Earlier I spoke to sue Jackson who

has suffered from mental health issues. Tom Pollard. Jake Mills, who

tried to take his own life after getting into problems with money. He

has since started a charity. And Ann Thorne, whose son took his own life.

At the inquest, worry over his death was described as a contributory

factor. People would help -- mental health

problems are more likely to need support from benefits have problems

with housing. When they do experience those issues, it has a

more profound impact on people. It can become difficult for people to

deal with their everyday lives. All of this experience these issues but

for people with mental health issues it is a double whammy. The local

services we are talking about with our campaign can really be the

difference between life and death, for people who are suffering with

those problems, having summary to support them through really can make

the difference to people between not being able to cope and being able to

cope. He was 23. He had been at university and had dropped out.

Everyone in the university, this seemed to be normal. How many

students do not have problems with money? Yes, I had been asked to pay

his rent a couple of times. He had a big student overdraft with the bank.

Yes, I was aware of it. But was I worried that he was going to take in

his own life? No. I was just not aware of the shocking statistics.

And I think my view is, I think the debt possibly was the straw that

broke the camel's back. I do not believe he killed himself just

because he was in debt. From what I understand now about suicide, it is

very complex. But as your article is showing, it can be that final thing

that pushes someone over the edge. They're coping skills have gone by

that point. Whether it is losing your job, debt or relationship, that

can be the final factor. The thing with young men is the fact

that they just do not talk. It is all very well to talk about these

resources, but my view is that every body has a role to play. We need to

talk about suicide and looking out for each other. If we know somebody

who is suicidal, talk to them. GPs need to be trained. We can all

contribute by talking about it and removing this stigma. Jake, you

tried to take your own life. What was going on in your life that made

you feel you could not go on? There were a lot of things. It was not

anything in particular. I probably could not tell you a moment when

what made me depressed, or when I became depressed, but there were a

lot of different things going on. Relationship issues, money issues. I

was on the dole. That for me was a significant, massively low moment. A

lot of different issues. They'll just built up. When you are

depressed, something that might seem not that big a deal for some people,

can be the biggest thing and the biggest deal in the world for

others. And it is just that building on top

of each other that can really way so heavily on you and that is how it

was for me. It was the combination of different things. Each and every

one of them felt like the worst thing in the world. The point that

has just been made, that lady saying that she wants to talk about her

son, and nobody knows what to say. That is the problem. That is the

main problem. We don't know what to say and people don't know enough

about suicide, depression and mental illness. We simply don't know enough

about it to be able to talk about it and that is what we need to be

addressing. I experienced problems with the neighbours, and I am quite

a resilient person and I had a good job and I was managing my life, but

because of the intensity of the issues, I reached a point where I

couldn't cope with things and it was a very low point in my life. So how

did you feel? I felt extremely desperate and at times I just

couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel. It made me feel very

depressed. It affected my appetite, it affected my sleep, it affected my

whole life. I just found I couldn't cope. Sue, Jake, Tom and Anne

talking to me earlier. If you want help on any of the issues we have

been talking about, you can visit the BBC action line website. Rodney

saying, I suffer from bad mental health, after getting sacked with

too much time off work. Even with a doctor note, I was failed on the

medical. Only part of my mortgage was paid and now I have had an

eviction notice. I have tried taking my life a couple of times. I am 52

and I have worked all my life. A tweet from Burnley. Good to see the

median now sympathetic to mental illness. And Jane says, benefit cuts

and loss of benefits underpins lots of problems with mental health.

People cannot recover while terrified.

Two teenage girls who walked away laughing after they battered

a 39-year-old woman to death will be sentenced today.

We ask a forensic psychologist whether young criminals like this

At the beginning of last year, Miguel Jimenez,

an 18-year-old man from Colombia, was found dead in his

The man who found him was his partner Henry Hendron,

a young barrister enjoying, until that day, a glittering career.

Mr Hendron supplied the drugs that killed his partner.

pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey and he'll be sentenced potentially

He excerpts response 34 his situation and does not want special

treatment from the courts. He has decided to speak to the BBC about

what he says is a huge and underreported issue.

We have talked about it before on this programme - the drug fuelled

binges that gay men in particular are involved in at potential great

It's been labelled "chemsex" and has been described by the Royal College

of GPs as a rapidly emerging pattern of drug use.

We should warn you, you might not want children to hear what he says

when he talked to the Today programme presenter Justin Webb.

We'll be talking about this issue for the next 15 minutes or so.

We had gone to the vet to take our dog to

We had dinner, we had some wine, my partner had quite

at midnight he just said, shall we have some drugs?

I was working the next day, so I didn't have any on

that occasion, but he did and had some G.

I woke up and he was dead next to me.

With the ambulance, came the police and

lots of them, so while the ambulance took over trying to resuscitate

Miguel that morning, I was then guarded by the police for the next

Just the most traumatic experience one has ever been

You've woken up next to a dead person,

you've tried CPR, the

ambulance has come in, you're now treated like a criminal.

Everything came before one's mind that I was there because

My partner was dead because of drugs and I was about to

Also because of drugs that you had supplied?

My partner and I, we did drugs together and with other

It's a common and increasing phenomenon in the gay

Did you feel in any way responsible for his death?

Listen, every day that goes past, I feel responsible.

I feel responsible because I was older,

It should have been me saying, we're not going to do this.

It should have been me taking that responsibility.

Instead of taking drugs, let's go to the cinema or whatever.

I didn't make that call and I should have done and for

that reason and that reason alone, I put his tragic death on my

I hadn't touched drugs before, in my teens or twenties.

It was only in the last couple of years that I touched them.

When you're at various chill outs, as we call them,

or parties, you share your experiences with people.

You have days to do so, they last three days

or four, and there are a large number of people in their 30s or 40s

who've come to drugs late but now they do them regularly.

I think that's because drugs in the gay

Recent studies suggest that gay people are

three times more likely to use drugs than their straight counterparts.

One study put it at seven times more likely.

It seems to be the acceptable face of recreation

The Public Health England report found that most people who do

these kind of gay sex high parties are in full-time

It's not a picture that most people who aren't part of that

The problem is more prevalent than most people

It's increasing because the drugs are cheap and they are everywhere.

So my experience was that

it was late in life and then it became too much.

I justified my regular use because I was

You close your mind to the real risks.

Looking back, I only have myself to blame for where I am

and that is a place with uncertainty.

I am still practising, just, but I won't be for much longer.

What will happen to you, do you think?

I await sentencing and we'll see what happens there,

It is my own fault that I am here, it is my own fault where I am.

I may go to prison and whatever I get, I deserve.

I have made some stupid decisions and you have to

If I didn't, you're not moving forwards.

I may go to prison but I will lose my job whatever happens.

That's just a price that drugs makes you pay.

Henry Hendron speaking to Justin Webb.

We can speak now to Daniel May and Greg Owen who've

Greg now has HIV and campaigns to raise awareness about the risks

With us here in the studio is Hannah McCall, a specialist

sexual health nurse at Central and North West London NHS Trust.

She recently wrote an editorial in the British Medical Journal

saying chemsex needs to become a public health priority.

Thank you all for joining us. Hannah, we were hearing from Henry

Hendron saying that gay people are three times more likely to take

drugs than straight people. How common is it? It is certainly very

common. We see 200 patients a day at our clinic and maybe ten to 20 of

those each day is admitting some kind of drug use involved in their

sex life. And it is drug use that is coming about because of sexual

activity? Yes. When we talk about chemsex, we talk about the

intentional use of drugs to enhance your sexual experience, not just

taking drugs and then having sex incidentally. Henry Hendron was

saying there that it has become the acceptable face of recreation in the

gay community. Would you agree? It is certainly very common and they

gay men that I meet in clinic are not surprised when we asked them

about drug use in relation to their sex lives. What are the risks that

people are reading? They are twofold. Health care risks,

infection. People are less likely to make safe decisions when using

drugs. Less likely to use condoms, and more susceptible to HIV and

hepatitis C. The other risk is psychological. People end up with

dependency, drugs can cause psychosis, high blood pressure,

heart attacks, and all of these things are mixed up and that is why

we think more needs to be done about it. Greg and Daniel, you have both

been there and felt the repercussions of the impact of this

on your lives. Tell us what your experiences have been. To be honest,

Victoria... JoAnn! Don't worry. During my time on the chemsex scene,

I navigated that environment quite well. I was adept at it. No matter

how experienced and adept you are, eventually the drugs win. I was so

crazy on a crystal meth psychosis at one point that I wanted to go home

to Belfast. I was at a chill out and I had no passport but I had a pocket

full of cash and I managed to get from London to Scotland on a 12 hour

coach, and then from Scotland to Belfast on a ferry with no passport

and just a pocket full of cash. I was just that crazy after being

awake for four or five days. It is not just twofold. It is mental,

emotional, social. No matter how well you navigate that system, there

is always a price to pay. How did you get into it? I was in a

seven-year relationship and the guy that I was with was heavily into the

clubbing scene. We would use hook up apps and drugs for group sex that we

would have. When I became single, I had to navigate single life. It was

a seven-year relationship, so when I came out of the relationship, there

were apps, crystal meth, mephedrone, sex parties, and that was all there

was. That was gay single life and that is how I progressed into that

scene. I had a lot of fun and I met some nice people and make genuine

connections. But it is steeped in a lot of loneliness, I

think, and that seems to be a driving force for gay men. The

chemsex culture is a need for connection and maybe intimacy

without investment. It takes tools to navigate that environment and

that is what we should be encouraging. What was your

experience, Daniel? I used drugs because I had a massive void in

terms of loneliness. My father left my mother when I was quite a young

child and that manifested into me looking for a father figure in

partners. I wasn't finding the right guy for me, so I wasn't finding the

attention and the love that I was craving for so much. I started going

on apps like Grinder, Manhunt, to get that attention, to get that, but

stupidly. It is not until you do the chemsex parties, where you feel

loved by everyone, and afterwards you realise they be declared. You're

not going to get a text afterwards, you're not going to get a phone

call, you are not going to see them again. Once you feel worse, you go

running back to do drugs again because you feel bad that you did it

in the first place. The complete addiction? I was not really addicted

to drugs but to the emotions that I got doing drugs. I woke up in the

morning and I didn't have withdrawal symptoms. I was not shaking, I

wasn't craving drugs, I craved attention and that is why I did it.

Where you fearful of the risks you were running? Of course. I was very

lucky. I did drugs four years and I am so lucky I have not become

positive and I am very for that. I knew the risks but they did not

outweigh the pleasure I was getting from doing the drugs and that is

where the risk is. The apps need to take more responsibility for what is

going on with people using them. Whether that be an email address

that could be set up... They are not here to defend themselves. Can I say

on apps? It is people. You can't blame anything. It is people. We

make a choice and it is about choosing something that is better

for us rather than trying to allocate responsibility. It starts

with us. At what point did you decide to make a choice and change

things and how hard was it? Ironically it was my HIV diagnosis.

It made me become aware of what I was doing and what I wanted to do.

It was a catalyst for great change. I had actually decided I was going

to start the daily pill, the HIB -- HIV prevention method. I went along

to get my test and found out I was positive. At that point I was, you

know what, this is the first time in my adult life where I have to take

stock. I can exist like this but I want to exist better. I want to

thrive better. At that point I wanted to make better choices. Like

Daniel said, it is a cycle. When you are in that, it is very hard to get

out. Henry Hendron has been talking about it because he said it has

effectively become an acceptable face of the gay community. What

would you say to young gay men who are being sucked into this? I feel

for Henry, I really do. It is a terrible situation. I just found out

a few days ago that my former fiance, who I was with for seven

years, had a stroke, probably from too much drugs, and had a heart

attack a few years before. He is only 37. The physical aspects, a

very real threat. Even if you do not choose to do drugs and chemsex, if

you go onto a whole cup app, everybody around you will be doing

it. -- hook up. You still have to navigate other people's chemsex. My

advice to younger gay men, especially in London, is, do not be

afraid to establish what you want and do not be afraid if it is

slightly different from the norm, the acceptable face of social

interaction. Do not want to be afraid -- do not be afraid to say

you want more. Some of these younger guys have not known anything like

this and how to navigate it. Nobody is saying do not do it. That is not

what I am about. If you are going to do it, do it clever and ask for help

if you need it. You work in London. Is this a mainly London phenomenon?

Obviously your focus is on London. Is it everywhere? It is certainly

across the UK, mostly in big cities, London, Brighton, Manchester. But we

see it in Europe and across the world. This week is the first

European chemsex Forum, where experts from across Europe are

getting together to talk about this issue, to discuss what trends we are

seeing in our cities versus Amsterdam or Berlin, what we are

doing about it, what they are doing about it. It is about finding a way

forward. Lewis says the followed for the guys involved is awful. Joe says

this affects only a small portion of gay men. The men on your show only

represent a small part of a large diverse community. Thank you all.

Nearly 25,000 operations and procedures have

been delayed because of the junior doctor strikes.

We speak to two people who've been directly affected and ask

whether their opinion of the strikes has changed.

And the former managing director of Leeds United says he was hit in the

face, beaten and tasered while in prison for fraud in Dubai. He speaks

to the BBC in his first interview since his release last month.

Now the news with Ben. Campaigners who want the UK to leave

the European Union have accused the government of scaring voters

and wasting money. Their anger concerns a leaflet

being sent to every household, setting out the case

for staying in the EU. There'll also be social media

posts and a new website. David Cameron says the campaign

will provide the public with key I will be putting mine

in an envelope and sending it There will be along in petition

launched later today to ensure we get the issue discussed in

parliament, so we can make it our outrage at how the government has

conducted itself. Parliament has set out what should

happen in the campaign. Both sides will be entitled

to access taxpayers' money to send They can spend millions of pounds

setting out the arguments why they think we should

leave or remain. What we have done in this leaflet

is set out the basic facts that And set out the government judgment

about that. Iceland's governing coalition has

chosen a new Prime Minister, after the leaked Panama papers

caused Sigmundur The Fisheries Minister

will be his successor until There have been public protests

in Rejkjavik calling for the entire A BBC Freedom of Information request

has revealed inconsistencies in specialist mental health

treatment for outpatients In some parts of the country over

the past four years, waiting times The Department of Health says it's

investing ?150 million in services for young patients over

the next five years. Four migrant children will arrive

in the UK from Calais this morning, after being allowed to stay

with their families here while their asylum

claims are assessed. The teenagers are from Syria

and Afghanistan, and are among the first to arrive under

newly-enforced EU laws. The charity Citizens UK is calling

for the government to do more to help other children

in similar situations. Six weeks after an inconclusive

general election in the Republic of Ireland, the two largest parties are

discussing forming a government together. And Kenny has met his

political rival Michael Martin and proposed a formal coalition. If no

agreement is reached, which is possible, another general election

would have to be cold. That is a summary of the news. Join me at 11

o'clock. Now the sport. Hello. The first leg

of Manchester City's first Champions League quarterfinal ended in a 2-2

draw against PSG. Joe Hart saved a penalty. Kevin De Bruyne and

Fernandinho scored. There was a shock in Germany last night as

Wolfsburg, playing their first quarterfinal as well, beat ten time

European champions real Madrid -- Real Madrid. To night Jurgen Klopp

returns to Dortmund with Liverpool in the Europa League quarterfinals.

And the first golf major of the tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy

waiting for his first green jacket is in the final group at Augusta.

That is sport. Angela Wrightson was found dead

in her living room with more She'd been murdered by two girls

who were just 13 and 14 at the time. A court heard how they had battered

and tortured her to death. They're being sentenced this morning

at Leeds Crown Court. Megan Patterson is there. Tell us

more about this attack, what happened? It was a brutal, savage

and sustained attack which took place in Angela Wrightson's home in

Hartlepool. The attack was carried out by two girls known to her. At

the time of the attack they were aged 13 and 14. On the night of

their death they let themselves into her property. They would also that

smash -- often go there to get alcohol. On that night they took

selfies as they assaulted her. They took household implements to batter.

The following day she was found by her landlord lying there. She had

almost 100 injuries all over her body. Police later found several

instruments they think were used in the torture of Angela Wrightson,

including a spade which was covered in blood. There was a wooden plank

that had nails in it. They think they were all used in the assault.

Today those girls will be sentenced at the court in Leeds. They are now

both 15 years old. How much is known about the girls? Obviously for legal

reasons we cannot tell you too much. But we do know that both of the

girls at the time of the attack were in care. They did know Angela

Wrightson. They would often go around to her house, as did many

young people in the community where she lived. Angela Wrightson herself

had a chaotic lifestyle. She was dependent on alcohol. She had been

in and out of prison often. She was known to young people as somebody

who would go to the newsagents and buy them alcohol. They could drink

around her house. They would sometimes give her money or share

that with her. That is the second part of the story. There are no two

official reviews into the case. One looking at the care and supervision

offered to the young girls who were supposed to be being supervised. One

review is looking to what went wrong there. How could their behaviour

have been monitored? And a second review is looking at the care and

support and supervision that Angela Wrightson was given. She was known

to be a vulnerable member of the community. Her past was well

documented. She had been involved in a number of services in the past

trying to overcome alcohol dependency. Those reviews have

started. Today is the sentencing of the girls, 15 at the time -- 15 now,

13 and 14 when they committed the attack.

This case has shocked people, partly because of the level

of the violence, and partly because of the young age

We can speak now to Dr Simone Fox, who is a forensic psychologist

How unusual is a case like this involving young girls and such a

level of violence? This is extremely rare. Girls offend far less than

boys. It is the extreme nature of it that makes it very rare. After the

murder, the girls phoned police and asked for a lift home. They were

taking selfies in the back of the police van. It seems to demonstrate

a complete disconnect with what they had actually done? Yes, and I think

their behaviour, they were not thinking about what they had done.

They were not taking responsibility. There was a disconnect. There was

not the emotion there. There was no processing of their behaviour. Is it

possible to generalise about a child that might turn into this sort of

child that would be able to behave in this way? There is a lot of

research and known risk factors for what might increase the risk of

extreme violence. There are individual factors in the young

people. Problem solving skills, low intellectual functioning,

anti-social attitudes and beliefs, pro-offending attitudes, a lack of

empathy, a lack of remorse. But what is more important to look that is

the systems around them. Looking at the family factors. The family is

really important to the development of a child. A large rubber of risk

factors. A family where there has been abuse or neglect, where a young

person has witnessed violence had been subjected to violence. When a

young person has gone into the care system, that would indicate a poor

prognosis. Also thinking about other factors, the school environment,

somebody who is not doing well, they are dropping out, there are true

ending. They are handing -- hanging out with other anti-social peers.

The peer group is really crucial in adolescence. If you're hanging out

with other negative peers, that will have an important role to play. The

chief executive of the local council has said we need to do everything

possible to understand what motivated the children to behave as

they did. How important is it to understand? It is really important

to understand what went wrong at an individual level for the young

people, but also within the system. What led to the family breakdown?

What experience did they have growing up? When they were in the

care system, what happened? Trying to understand that.

To learn lessons. Is it possible to turn kids to have done something

terrible around? Definitely. Prevention is better than cure. We

want to prevent people from authentic. There are interventions

to prevent young people from going down that route. Family

interventions, working with the system, interventions like systemic

therapy or a family intervention projects. Also, when they have

offended, it is about working with them at an individual level and with

the family, and the systems afterwards. Thank you very much. We

will bring you details of the sentencing when it comes through.

The former managing director of Leeds United, David Haigh,

says he was mistreated and beaten while in prison for fraud in Dubai.

Speaking to the BBC in his first interview since his release last

month, Mr Haigh said there had been five serious

He ended up in prison after his former employers

It was alleged that he faked invoices for millions of pounds

and personally signed off on their payment, illegally

channelling his employers' money to bank accounts he controlled.

Mr Haigh has always denied the allegations,

He's been speaking to Newsnight's Mark Lobel

I was hit in the face. Tasered were used on me. I was pushed around. Was

this in front of other prisoners? No, it was in front of police. Some

police are good, others are bad. I was taken out in the middle of the

night, taking into a car park and taken back inside to an office.

There were various police around. They were essentially trying to

scare me, telling me I needed to confess, that if I did come

everything would be fine. If I left, they would give me Dale. If I

didn't, they would give me ten years. A lot of threats. Telling me

that the people who have complained about me were very powerful.

There have been five serious episodes of it throughout my

detention, each of which were reported to the embassy at the time.

The last one, as recently as three weeks before I was released, when I

was hit over the head with the back of a broom handle, for no reason. I

was just standing there and the police hit me. You are convicted of

fraud, misappropriating ?300 million of money in August 2015 by their

criminal judge in Dubai, but you have complained about the process

that led to your conviction. I went to two prosecution interviews

without lawyers, without representation, being unable to see

the accusations against me, unable to see any of the prosecution case

because it was in Arabic and I was told I couldn't have translators. No

interpretation of what was going on and no understanding at all. They

had formed a conclusion, it was clear, because Dubai is all about

marketing and PR, is that it was a bad case, quick, get him through the

system and get him out. It was obvious. You are complaining about

the process that led to your conviction but you do admit that you

took the ?3.5 million in question. That money landed in your account.

Took is the wrong word because it was given to me. Yes, it is in my

bank account. You notice the money was in your account at some point

but you didn't know how it had got there. How do you mean? As far as I

was concerned, I was due a certain amount of money for different

services. Whether that is the salary, whatever it may be, and I

was receiving that money. I did have concerns towards the end of my time

that I was being paid in a bizarre fashion. If I was due 35,000, for

example, it would come in several amounts. That was a bit odd. During

your time in prison, did you meet other British nationals detained

without charge? Yes. In the last few years in Dubai, 100 or more British

people have had their human rights abused, not had fair trials, have

been detained arbitrarily. I could list all the breaches of human

rights and it is essentially going through the European Human Rights

Act, and saying everything they have done is wrong. It is shocking, the

level of torture to British citizens. A couple of days ago I

spoke to the family of somebody who was in a cell with me who is now

extremely unwell with TB in hospital. Two days before I was

moved to one jail, somebody died from tuberculosis and was in the bed

next door. It is regular. You were mistreated, your illnesses were not

correctly looked after, there was another British person who died from

not being given diabetes treatment in time. They were ignored. It is

common practice. Despite what happened to you, do you think

overall Dubai is a safe place to do business? No. The Dubai Government

says that 20,000 international companies have been attracted there

because of its legislative framework and policies. It can't be that bad.

I lived in Dubai for six years and I went from the financial centre,

which for people who haven't seen it, it is like Canary Wharf. I

didn't see Dubai, I didn't see the United Arab Emirates, I had nothing

to do with the Dubai courts, Sharia law, any of this. It was like a

little England. We had Waitrose, Marks Spencer. You don't realise

that you are in a very different country with very different laws and

some very vindictive people. As a former managing director, you must

have intimate knowledge of Leeds United. Do you still think that GF

HR suitable minority partners? Absolutely not. One of the things

that need to be done for the benefit of Leeds is that GFH needs to leave.

They are hampering the development of the club. Having spoken to

Massimo, I know he wants to buy the stadium and GFH are not putting the

money up for that. They should be made aware that they are not

welcome. The Leeds fans do a good job of that. They are not wanted. It

is time to go. Thank you. GFH Capital said Mr Haigh

travelled to Dubai of his own free will

and was was not lured there. The firm also said the ?3.5 million

was not given to Mr Haigh but he illegally channelled

the money to bank The authorities in Dubai have yet

to comment on these allegations. A Foreign and Commonwealth Office

spokesman said embassy staff regularly checked

on Mr Haigh's welfare. It's the second day of the fourth

junior doctors' strike in England. This 48-hour strike started at 8

o'clock yesterday morning It's hit 5,000 operations

and procedures which means the total so far during the dispute is nearly

25,000 junior doctors, and their union the British

Medical Association, are angry about changes to contracts

and pay that affect weekend working. But those contracts are to be

imposed by the government, The BMA says it has no choice

but to fight the plan and is now preparing for the first ever

walkouts of emergency care So how did this dispute reach such

a critical and bitter stalemate? A final take-it-or-leave it offer