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Hello it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

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Five statements in five days - the Prime Minister is accused

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of hypocrisy after revealing he did profit from an offshore fund set

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A report published by a House of Lords committee today

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on the social mobility of school leavers and their path

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into employment, finds that teenagers should be encouraged

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to decide earlier whether they follow a mainly

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We'll discuss all that with our audience and let us know

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At 13, Alicia was lured from her home by a man she thought

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What happened next changed the course of her life.

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She tells us about her ordeal and why she is campaigning

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I feel, and I felt at the time, that he was going to kill me.

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It feels horrible to say this, but if I didn't serve a purpose,

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that he was going to kill me, that he didn't have another option.

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We're live until 11:00am this morning.

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Five days, five statements from the Prime Minister attempting

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Is he a hypocrite, as he has been called?

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We will explain the story from the beginning.

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And we will bring you the extraordinary story of a young

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woman who was held captive in an ordeal that changed her life.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

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Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

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And don't forget if you've got a story you think we should be

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Some of our best stories come from you, our viewers.

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Our top story today - Labour is accusing David Cameron

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of double standards, after the Prime Minister revealed

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he'd previously owned shares in an offshore trust,

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Mr Cameron sold them for more than ?30,000 in 2010

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shortly before becoming Prime Minister.

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The Prime Minister has faced persistent questions

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about an offshore trust set up by his late father.

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It was based in a tax haven and did not pay tax in Britain.

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Faced with bad headlines all week, the Prime Minister gave away more

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information bit by bit about his own financial affairs.

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He said he did not own any shares in offshore trusts and would not

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But last night he revealed he had profited from the sale of shares

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in his father's trust when he was Leader of the Opposition.

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We owned 5000 units in Blairmore Investment Trust,

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That was worth something like ?30,000.

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He insisted the trust was not set up to avoid tax.

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The criticisms are based on a fundamental misconception,

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which is that the unit trust was set up with the idea of avoiding tax.

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But Labour and the SNP said the public would not

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and he will face more questions when Parliament resumes on Monday.

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What other shareholdings did David Cameron hold while he was

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Was he invested in any other trusts that were

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Tax doesn't need to be taxing, says the slogan,

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but the Prime Minister is currently finding it very taxing indeed.

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We will discuss this a little later with a couple of MPs.

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How much pressure is the Prime Minister under? It's certainly

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embarrassing for the Prime Minister. I think Downing Street have been

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thrown on the defensive on this all week. And I think they are pretty

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furious too. The Prime Minister now says he will publish his tax return,

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and after the admission he made last night, he will hope he can finally

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draw a line under it. Labour is not satisfied and says the public will

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find it difficult to trust the Prime Minister. The SNP says David Cameron

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has played the public over his tax affairs. I think the questions will

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keep coming and the pressure will stay on the Prime Minister. Remember

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that neither David Cameron nor his late father have done anything

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illegal and ten point out that he has been the most open Prime

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Minister in recent times when it comes to tax affairs, but it doesn't

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help his political image. He's currently in the middle of the

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political fight of his life to keep Britain in the EU and anything that

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creates distance between him and the electorate not help. One final

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thing, a Downing Street source admitted to me that the well-known

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phrase, hindsight is a wonderful thing, I think it was an admission

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that they would do things very differently if they had their time

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again. It has been a week in the headlines with MPs back to

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Westminster next week. Presumably this will not go away any time soon.

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And Labour is calling for David Cameron to come to the House of

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Commons next week to deliver a statement on his tax affairs. We

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will also get the publication of his tax return, and I'm told that will

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come as soon as and we should expect it in the coming days. Questions

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will continue to be asked. We'll be discussing this story

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in more detail at 9.15 - but first, a summary of the rest

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of the day's news. In the past half hour,

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the first of two boats carrying migrants from the Greek island

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of Lesbos, has arrived in Turkey. It's part of the deal agreed

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with the European Union last month aimed at deterring migrants

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from making the hazardous Around 45 migrants, mostly of

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Pakistani origin, made up the first sailing to Turkey.

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A second boat is scheduled to leave later today.

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Let's get the latest from our correspondent Mark Lowen

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So far it seems to be going relatively smoothly. Yeah, pretty

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smoothly. We can see the scene, the boat that came in about an hour ago

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with 45 people on board, Pakistani 's who have been escorted off one by

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one onto the port and mainland. They have been taken to white tents to

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have names and fingerprints taken before they are put on buses to be

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sent to a deportation centre on the Turkey and Hungarian border. Turkey

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has signed a readmission agreement with Pakistan, and we expect a

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second boat in about an hour with about 100 people on board from three

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Greek islands, again, mainly economic migrants who Turkey will

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try to deport. What's been the picture there? In

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the last ten minutes another boat left Lesbos for Turkey. It was

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carrying 79 migrants and we are told 50 of them came from the island of

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Kos and 29 from Samos. The dream of a better life in Europe is over for

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those on board but European leaders hope their disappointment will deter

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others from making the dangerous journey across the short stretch of

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water. It's difficult to tell if it is working at this stage, but we

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know the Greek authorities and those assisting here say they are still

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massively understaffed. We went to a detention camp yesterday and they

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said they needed another 400 officers and 400 interpreters to

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process asylum applications effectively. The numbers of people

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arriving have reduced significantly since the deal between the EU and

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Turkey were was struck. In the days before the deal be regularly sought

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1500 people arriving on a daily basis on Lesbos, and now the numbers

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are much smaller, normally under 100 per day. On Wednesday, there were in

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-- there were no new arrivals at all.

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A man has been arrested and is being questioned on suspicion

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of murder over the disappearance of a London police officer.

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PC Gordon Semple was reported missing a week ago and was last seen

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on CCTV on a street near London Bridge.

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Yesterday, police were called to a property in Southwark

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where human remains were discovered and a man was arrested.

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The property is still being examined and the arrested man

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Live to Scotland Yard - and our correspondent

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It was just last Friday when PC Gordon Semple left his home in

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Dartford for work as normal. He went to a business meeting at a hotel

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near the famous London Shard, leaving around 12:30pm. At 3:30pm he

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was captured on a CCTV Cameron Neild London Bridge, the last confirmed

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sighting of him. When he failed to return home his partner called the

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police and reported him missing. A search began, and at one stage last

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week it involved police divers. There was no trace of him until

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yesterday when a member of the public called the police and they

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attended an address in a housing estate in south-east London, and

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they arrested a 49-year-old man on suspicion of murder. We recently

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heard from the commander of a short time ago who said the police also

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found human mains at the address. Due to the condition

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of the human remains, it will take some time for the cause

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of death to be established, and for At this point, I do not wish

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to speculate on what has happened. Yesterday, a forensic search started

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at the address and is still going. A postmortem examination is still to

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be carried out and police are not commenting on any possible cause of

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death, neither are they speculating on a possible motive. Specially

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trained police officers are working with the family of PC Semple, and

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this has been a very difficult time for colleagues as well. He was an

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officer for 30 years, so it has been a tough time at the Met. A

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49-year-old man remains in custody and is being questioned on suspicion

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of murder. The fourth strike by junior

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doctors in England over the government's new contract,

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has finished in the past hour. Government sources say

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that the British Medical Association has blown its chance to negotiate,

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and a new contract will now be But the BMA is planning

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another walkout at the end of the month when -

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for the first time in the dispute - emergency cover will

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also be withdrawn. There's a warning this morning that

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young people in England who don't go to university are being overlooked

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and left behind. A report by the House of Lords

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claims teenagers who don't go into higher education often end up

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drifting into their first job. And is having one going to get

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you a well-paid job? The Lords say that young people

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are being let down by vocational qualifications, disadvantaging

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even the most ambitious. I would like to be a journalist

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doing current affairs. He did not get the grades to study

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A-levels but likes the You should value all skills

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and talents and just because someone can't do theory,

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theory, theory and do really well at it compared to someone else,

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then I think it is unfair. The majority of young people don't

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go on to A-levels or university, but according to this report,

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this group are in fact overlooked. Left with an array of

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qualifications that employers They're not work ready

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and the difference in the funding between further

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and higher education is too great. Schools and employers in further

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education colleges have The government says it is investing

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in improving careers education allowing more young people to gain

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action to work experience to prepare And Joanna will be discussing this

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story, asking whether social mobility for young people

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is actually achievable, after 9:30 Tata Steel is refusing to comment

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on claims it made significant profits from a policy designed

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to protect the climate. Three separate experts say Tata made

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hundreds of millions of pounds selling carbon emissions permits

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it was given for free under It's a controversial allegation

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because Tata had complained that one of the reasons it wasn't able

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to make a profit was because of EU Last week the firm announced it

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would sell its UK steel plants threatening thousands of jobs.

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The private hire firm, Uber, has agreed to settle a legal case

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in the US state of California over how it described its vetting

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Uber was accused of misleading customers after calling itself

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Uber has paid $10 million, that's around ?7 million,

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to settle the claim and says it will now change its adverts.

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Prosecutors said Buber had failed to prevent 25 people with criminal

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convictions from becoming drivers. -- Uber.

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Pope Francis is releasing a document later which will set

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out his views on family life, marriage, contraception

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The publication has been eagerly awaited by the world's

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Many are hoping that it will lead to the church offering Communion

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to the divorced and people who have civil marriages, something

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

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a story of extraordinary courage - a young woman who was kidnapped

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and abused over four days as a child and who now has made it her life's

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work to highlight the dangers of online grooming.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

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A lot of you getting in touch on the Prime Minister. Violet said that it

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is outrageous that David Cameron can continue to lie to the British

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public and he should resign today. Another says he wishes people would

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get off the Prime Minister's back. He said the tax expert clarified he

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had paid any tax due on profits. I think that is a reference to the tax

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expert on Radio 4 earlier. Keep getting in touch with your thoughts

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on that. We will talk about it after the sport. We can catch up with the

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sport. Good morning Liverpool fans will be

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happy with the draw away at Dortmund. Especially as they got

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what could be a crucial away goal. Before the game a nice moment as the

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stadium sang You'll Never Walk Alone. Jurgen Klopp was proved right

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choosing the Belgian youngster in the first half. Neither side could

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force a decisive goal. The second leg is at Anfield next Thursday.

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They are still in a good position. It was important for us to show

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this. A lot of people thought a lot of things about our possible

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performance. Maybe they are surprised and I am really happy with

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the performance. Another man happy was Jordan Spieth who said he was

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extremely pleased with his opening round at the Masters. The defending

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champion is top of the leaderboard. It was a windy Augusta and Jordan

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Spieth managed a six under par 66 to finish the day two shots clear off

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the field. Rory McIlroy still believes he can spoil Jordan

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Spieth's dreams of a second straight title he is four shots off the pace.

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He dropped two in the last three to card 70. Conditions were tricky out

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there. I was four under with three left to play and it would have been

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nice to get it in under 70, at least. It is a tough golf course and

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you will make bogeys. I need to be aggressive tomorrow and get the

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shots back as quickly as possible. How about this? Former world number

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one Ernie Els has a putt for par. Nine shots in total. The ball

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eventually dropped. That is the worst opening hole in Masters

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history. He said he could not explain it. You can see first round

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highlights now on the red button and on BBC Two at 6:30pm. The BBC sport

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website has comprehensive coverage. Ben Stokes says he felt complete

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devastation following England's Twenty20 final defeat to West

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Indies, giving his first interview since he was smashed for four sixes

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in the final over. He told the Daily Telegraph it was like the whole

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world had come down on him. That is all the sport. I will be back with a

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look at the headlines at 9:30am. Five days, four different statements

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about his financial affairs. Now the Prime Minister admits he did

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own and he did profit from shares He said he and his wife Samantha

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sold their shares in the fund in 2010 for ?30,000 -

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before he became Prime Minister and he insisted all UK

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taxes had been paid. So why didn't he want to tell us

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about it earlier? It follows a week of questions

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about his tax arrangements - When the Panama Papers

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were released on Sunday night, and Ian Cameron's name appeared

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in them, journalists began to ask whether Mr Cameron had benefited

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from Blairmore Holdings, On Monday, the Prime Minister's

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official spokesman told journalists in a briefing

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that it was a "private matter". On Tuesday Downing Street issued

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a statement saying: the prime minister, his wife

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and their children do not benefit from any offshore funds," adding

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the prime minister owns no shares. Mr Cameron reiterated his position

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after a speech in Birmingham. And on Wednesday morning another

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statement was released or trusts which the prime minister,

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Mrs Cameron or their children And then last night the Prime

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Minister spoke to ITV News. Samantha and I had a joint account

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and we owned 5,000 units in Blairmore Investment Trust

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which we sold in January 2010 - that was worth

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something like ?30,000. There was a profit on it

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but that was less than the capital gains tax allowance,

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so I didn't pay capital gains tax, but it was subject to all the UK

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taxes in all the normal ways. I think a lot of the criticisms

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are based on a fundamental misconception which is that

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Blairemore Investment, a unit trust, was set up with the idea

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of avoiding tax. It wasn't - it was set up

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after exchange controls went so that people who wanted to invest

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in dollar-denominated shares could do so, and there are many

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other, thousands of other unit It was reported to the HMRC,

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it reported itself every year Joining us now is Damian Collins,

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who's the Conservative MP Heather Self is a tax

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partner at Pinsent Masons. And joining us from Cardiff,

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is the Shadow Work and Pensions Thanks for joining us. It has taken

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a long time to get here? If the Prime Minister made the statement on

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Monday, Tuesday this week is dead yesterday I do not think there would

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be much difference. There would be interesting what he had to say. I

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think we can get too focused on the process and not the issue, which is

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did he do anything wrong? No. Was he avoiding tax? No. He paid UK tax on

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the investment and sold the shares six years ago and made his personal

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declaration of that now. I do not see he has more questions to answer.

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On the point of it making a difference if it was declared up

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front, it maybe would not have led to five days of headlines of

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different details coming out gradually. We are talking two, three

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days, and there would be interesting what he said regardless of when he

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said. He gave the impression he was not being completely straight at the

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beginning. There is no question that anything he said was not correct or

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accurate. He was not avoiding tax, he paid UK tax on that investment

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and he has made that clear. Were the shares declared when he was a

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regular MP? I have not looked at his register of members' interest from

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that period but he has sold that investment in that unit trust. Units

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rather than shares. He paid UK tax on that, this is a trust registered

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with HMRC and Inland Revenue and all UK investors would have paid UK tax

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on the investments. Owen Smith, he sold the shares, they were declared

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to the Inland Revenue, tax was paid on them as it should have been, what

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has he done wrong? I think the main thing is he has been hypocritical,

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arguing for the last six years tax avoidance was a bad thing, he said

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it was morally repugnant. He gave a speech where he talked about a

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travelling caravan of international tax accountants and lawyers hiding

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money from state governments. At the same time, he has invested into a

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vehicle designed to avoid paying tax. Registered overseas. That is

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legal stop should it be legal to be able to avoid tax in this fashion?

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He clearly did benefit from this and although he may have paid tax at the

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end point when he took the money out, when he sold the units or

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shares, of course he would have benefited from the fact the company

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was making money in the period in which he invested without paying tax

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for 30 years. Heather, picks that in terms of the benefits. We need to

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distinguish between overseas companies, separate legal entities,

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and offshore funds. This is an offshore fund, it is like a

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partnership, there has been a special tax regime since 1984 and it

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says if you are a UK investor in an offshore fund you pay tax as it goes

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along on everything the entity earns. What about whether the funds

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grow because of benefits arising from the fact they are overseas? Why

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have them overseas if there is no benefit? It is an intermediate layer

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investing in companies that pay tax and the investors pay tax. You have

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profits that pay tax at the bottom, investors at the top who pay tax and

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in the middle you have something that does not pay tax because it is

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a pass-through vehicle, saving an extra layer of tax in the middle. He

:25:37.:25:45.

could have set up, David Cameron's father, this vehicle, hedge funds or

:25:46.:25:50.

any investment vehicle, in the UK, but he set it up overseas and we

:25:51.:25:55.

know from the papers he went searching for the most tax

:25:56.:25:59.

efficient, as they put it, tax friendly location, and simply to

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avoid tax and scrutiny. The big picture is surely that we have a

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Prime Minister who has sought to say we are in it together and that the

:26:09.:26:14.

burden of austerity has been evenly born and this reveals that is not

:26:15.:26:19.

true, there is an elite in society and he is part of it, who do not

:26:20.:26:24.

play by the same rules as the rest, it is one rule for ordinary people

:26:25.:26:28.

who pay taxes and another for those who don't, and that is the

:26:29.:26:32.

underpinning I think double standards that have been exposed. I

:26:33.:26:37.

think the Prime Minister has to come to Parliament and give a fuller

:26:38.:26:41.

description of what his holdings have been in the past and explain

:26:42.:26:46.

how it was he can speak out over the last six years and explain what the

:26:47.:26:52.

government's real attitudes are to wealth being hoarded in this

:26:53.:26:59.

fashion. Hypocrisy? I think Owen is deliberately confusing issues. David

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Cameron did not avoid tax. He paid tax on the dividends whilst he held

:27:05.:27:09.

the units in the trust and was liable for UK tax when he sold his

:27:10.:27:13.

interest as everyone was. It is not double standards. Why not be clearer

:27:14.:27:18.

about it from the beginning. He has been clear about his relationship

:27:19.:27:24.

with that trust. The bigger issue... He has been asked about it

:27:25.:27:29.

repeatedly. The big issue is that is the Prime Minister saying one thing

:27:30.:27:34.

and doing another? He is not, he has not avoided tax and as Prime

:27:35.:27:37.

Minister he has led a government that has clamped out on tax

:27:38.:27:40.

avoidance in the way the last Labour government never did. Recouping

:27:41.:27:46.

taxes that might have been avoided by people who do use vehicles and it

:27:47.:27:50.

is right we clamped down on tax avoidance but at no point has the

:27:51.:27:55.

Prime Minister try to avoid tax. A lot of people are concerned there

:27:56.:27:59.

has not been transparency. Steve saying it is fairly typical in the

:28:00.:28:06.

comments, he said the issue is not David Cameron has done anything

:28:07.:28:09.

wrong rather the lack of transparency and changing stories.

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The story has not changed. It has developed. He has added to what he

:28:14.:28:18.

said but has not gone back on anything he said and this investment

:28:19.:28:22.

he got rid off before he was a government minister, before he was

:28:23.:28:27.

Prime Minister. He made a voluntary declaration, it was not dragged out

:28:28.:28:30.

of him, he has set the record straight and published his tax

:28:31.:28:35.

return. Owen Smith, the Prime Minister says this government has

:28:36.:28:39.

done more than any other to tackle tax avoidance and he says that

:28:40.:28:43.

demonstrates his view of the issue. He keeps repeating that but the last

:28:44.:28:49.

Labour government introduced in 1998 rules to open up the tax behaviour

:28:50.:28:54.

of overseas territory and introduced the most important piece of tax

:28:55.:28:58.

avoidance legislation, the disclosure of tax avoidance

:28:59.:29:04.

vehicles, in 2004, but the big question here is speaking out of

:29:05.:29:11.

both sides of his mouth, the fact the Prime Minister has talked a

:29:12.:29:15.

great game about tax avoidance and transparency. He said sunlight is

:29:16.:29:22.

the greatest disinfectant and we should be open about financial

:29:23.:29:25.

dealings to restore trust in politicians and yet he did not

:29:26.:29:29.

include this in the register before he became Prime Minister and did

:29:30.:29:33.

divest himself of it as soon as he became Prime Minister, and he has

:29:34.:29:37.

refused to divulges not the past six days but the past six years. If

:29:38.:29:42.

there was nothing wrong, why has he been coy for so long? Damian

:29:43.:29:49.

Collins, why not be clearer sooner? You are talking about an investment

:29:50.:29:53.

he got rid off before he was Prime Minister some years ago and he is

:29:54.:29:57.

now because of the interest made a declaration. He was an MP sometime

:29:58.:30:02.

before that. The question is has he done anything wrong? Nobody is

:30:03.:30:07.

saying he has done anything wrong. He has not avoided tax, which is the

:30:08.:30:11.

view of independent experts talking today. To pretend he is in some way

:30:12.:30:15.

saying one thing and doing another is wrong, he has led a government

:30:16.:30:21.

that has gone after tax avoidance and people using offshore vehicles

:30:22.:30:24.

to hide from paying tax in the way no other government has done before.

:30:25.:30:30.

It has long been not to include measures that would have introduced

:30:31.:30:35.

greater transparency of ownership of trusts, even as he was saying, we

:30:36.:30:38.

are clamping down on tax avoidance in this country. He has been guilty

:30:39.:30:41.

of double standards throughout the period. I don't think that is true

:30:42.:30:47.

and if you go further than the measures on tax avoidance, the new

:30:48.:30:51.

measures the government has brought in to make sure anyone with a stake

:30:52.:30:54.

in a British company is registered so people cannot hide their identity

:30:55.:30:59.

behind offshore vehicles is an important reform. We have a

:31:00.:31:03.

clamp-down on tax avoidance had greater transparency in investments.

:31:04.:31:08.

That's not true, because there has been some welcome progress, largely

:31:09.:31:15.

driven by the European Union, I'm glad to say, giving us some insight

:31:16.:31:19.

on vehicles where there are profits and interest paid, but we do not

:31:20.:31:25.

have full disclosure about who owns overseas held just, investment

:31:26.:31:28.

vehicles, and who the true beneficiaries are. In order to have

:31:29.:31:32.

that, we would need full country by country reporting and a public

:31:33.:31:36.

register. I think we should be talking about that, and I suspect

:31:37.:31:40.

this Prime Minister will resist that rigorously. Should the Prime

:31:41.:31:44.

Minister looked at these issues to make it clear where he stands? In

:31:45.:31:51.

our own jurisdiction we have made it clear. This whole story, the release

:31:52.:31:55.

of the documents, it has revealed the extent to which UK territories

:31:56.:31:59.

are caught up in this. Does the government is now need to take a

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look at what's going on and take a much stronger line and, possibly

:32:03.:32:10.

change the way governments are run, if they do not take a tougher line

:32:11.:32:16.

on this? It's rather difficult to change the way other governments run

:32:17.:32:25.

their own affairs. What we should insist on is transparency. Anyone

:32:26.:32:29.

who has investment or interest in a British company should declare that,

:32:30.:32:34.

make it known, and not hide behind an offshore vehicle or hide their

:32:35.:32:38.

identity. We have much greater transparency so it is much harder

:32:39.:32:42.

for people to hide their money off shore, or in investments in

:32:43.:32:45.

Switzerland in a way we cannot trace what they are. Progress has been

:32:46.:32:50.

made in the last six years on that. Owen Smith, what do you see the

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Prime Minister position being now? I think he still has questions to

:32:56.:33:00.

answer. Is this a resignation issue? I will not call for the Prime

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Minister's resignation, but I think you should look to himself, and ask

:33:05.:33:09.

himself whether it was right that he spent the last six years and longer

:33:10.:33:14.

lecturing Britain and indeed the world about transparency and the

:33:15.:33:19.

need to get rid of these morally repugnant practices, and telling us

:33:20.:33:24.

he has been at the vanguard of changing the world and these tax

:33:25.:33:28.

practices, while in truth he has benefited from those sorts of

:33:29.:33:33.

shadowy practices. Even when in office he's lobbied to maintain

:33:34.:33:41.

greater secrets in trusts and the European want to introduce. I think

:33:42.:33:44.

he needs to explain to the country whether he has been stringing us

:33:45.:33:47.

along over the last six years whether believes in this stuff.

:33:48.:33:52.

Thank you for your comments on that, keep them coming in.

:33:53.:33:54.

Should teenagers decide at fourteen whether to do A-Levels

:33:55.:34:01.

One group of politicians says they should.

:34:02.:34:04.

What do you think - get in touch with us

:34:05.:34:06.

It's the last in our London Mayor cab share series

:34:07.:34:12.

and today it's the turn of the Lib Dems to join Norman

:34:13.:34:15.

But will Caroline Pidgeon pass his London Knowledge test?

:34:16.:34:25.

Opposition parties are accusing David Cameron of hypocrisy,

:34:26.:34:33.

after he revealed he'd previously owned shares in an offshore trust,

:34:34.:34:36.

The Prime Minister sold the shares in 2010, before

:34:37.:34:42.

he entered Number Ten, and insists he paid all

:34:43.:34:44.

Mr Cameron has been under pressure all week to give more details about

:34:45.:34:57.

his involvement with Blair more Holdings, registered in the Bahamas.

:34:58.:35:02.

I think the main thing is, he has been hypocritical, arguing for the

:35:03.:35:06.

last six years that tax avoidance is a bad thing, he said it's morally

:35:07.:35:11.

repugnant and he gave a big speech in which he majored on this and

:35:12.:35:15.

talked about a travelling caravan of international tax accountants and

:35:16.:35:20.

lawyers hiding money from state governments, but at the same time he

:35:21.:35:25.

has invested into a vehicle that was designed to avoid paying tax,

:35:26.:35:28.

something that was registered overseas. It's perfectly legal, but

:35:29.:35:33.

the problem is, should it be legal to avoid tax in this fashion. The

:35:34.:35:39.

issue is, did he do anything wrong? No, nobody is suggesting that. He

:35:40.:35:43.

wasn't avoiding tax by investing in this trust, he paid UK tax from this

:35:44.:35:47.

investment and sold those shares more than six years ago and has made

:35:48.:35:51.

a public declaration of that now. I don't see he has any more questions

:35:52.:35:53.

to answer. The first of two boats

:35:54.:35:54.

carrying migrants from the Greek island of Lesbos -

:35:55.:35:56.

has arrived in Turkey. It's part of the deal agreed

:35:57.:35:58.

with the European Union last month aimed at deterring migrants

:35:59.:36:01.

from making the hazardous Around 45 migrants, mostly

:36:02.:36:03.

of Pakistani origin, made up the first sailing

:36:04.:36:07.

to the Turkish port of Dikili. A second boat is on

:36:08.:36:11.

it's way right now. A man has been arrested

:36:12.:36:19.

and is being questioned on suspicion of murder over the disappearance

:36:20.:36:21.

of a London police officer. PC Gordon Semple was reported

:36:22.:36:24.

missing a week ago and was last seen on CCTV on a street near London

:36:25.:36:27.

Bridge. Yesterday, police were called

:36:28.:36:30.

to a property in Southwark where human remains were discovered

:36:31.:36:32.

and a man was arrested. The property is still

:36:33.:36:40.

being examined. The fourth strike by junior

:36:41.:36:43.

doctors in England, over the government's

:36:44.:36:45.

new contract, has ended. Government sources say

:36:46.:36:47.

that the British Medical Association has blown its chance to negotiate,

:36:48.:36:49.

and a new contract will now be But the BMA is planning

:36:50.:36:52.

another walkout at the end of the month when -

:36:53.:37:04.

for the first time in the dispute - emergency cover will

:37:05.:37:07.

also be withdrawn. Young people who choose not to take

:37:08.:37:08.

A-Levels or go to university are being let down by our education

:37:09.:37:11.

system, according to a report It proposes that 14 to 19 year olds

:37:12.:37:14.

should go through a "transition stage" where they can make

:37:15.:37:19.

choices about their career, rather than having to make

:37:20.:37:21.

all the big decisions at 16. We will be discussing this story on

:37:22.:37:33.

the programme in the next human rights.

:37:34.:37:39.

Time to catch up with the sport. Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp was

:37:40.:37:48.

defiant after his side's draw in Dortmund last night. Klopp said

:37:49.:37:55.

people thought his side would be beaten, but Divock Origi scored a

:37:56.:37:59.

crucial away goal as they drew with Dortmund. Jordan Spieth says he

:38:00.:38:05.

would have taken a two under par in windy conditions on the first at

:38:06.:38:08.

Augusta, but the defending champion leads again with an opening six

:38:09.:38:15.

under par 66 to finish the day two shots clear. Rory McIlroy says

:38:16.:38:21.

Jordan Spieth will be tough to beat, he dropped to four shots off the

:38:22.:38:25.

pace, chasing the only major Mac easier to win. Ben Stokes says he's

:38:26.:38:28.

only just coming to terms with the complete devastation he felt after

:38:29.:38:36.

the England lost to the West Indies in the T20 final. Stokes says he

:38:37.:38:40.

felt just shock. We will be back with more from the masters just

:38:41.:38:41.

after 10am. The Liberal Democrat's mayoral

:38:42.:38:45.

candidate, Caroline Pidgeon, will be speaking to our political

:38:46.:38:48.

guru Norman Smith. Social mobility is described

:38:49.:38:55.

as the ability of people or groups to move up or down in status based

:38:56.:38:59.

on wealth, jobs or education. Today a House of Lords committee has

:39:00.:39:03.

put out a report looking at the social mobility

:39:04.:39:06.

of school leavers and their They say that more than half

:39:07.:39:08.

of teens who don't head down a traditional academic route

:39:09.:39:13.

into work are being let down And that the 53% of school leavers

:39:14.:39:15.

who opt not to got to university or do A levels are often allowed

:39:16.:39:21.

to "drift" into their first job or further education

:39:22.:39:24.

with no real prospect A possible solution to this

:39:25.:39:27.

is argued to be letting teenagers decide earlier whether to follow

:39:28.:39:35.

a mainly vocational Let's speak now to Hashi Mohamed,

:39:36.:39:37.

who arrived in London in 1993 He's now an Oxford-educated

:39:38.:39:45.

barrister. Naivasha Mwanju works

:39:46.:39:50.

at youth employment charity Elevation Networks, which aims

:39:51.:39:54.

to help underprivileged teenagers Andrew Kingston is 18 and has

:39:55.:39:56.

completed an apprenticeship. He has landed his first job

:39:57.:40:05.

as a web and social media Ali Rashid is also 18 years

:40:06.:40:07.

old and studies performing arts. Laine Esperanzate is a 17-year-old

:40:08.:40:12.

apprentice in digital marketing. And from Bristol we have

:40:13.:40:20.

Baroness Corston, chair of the Lords Select Committee

:40:21.:40:23.

on Social Mobility and who is Thank you for joining us. Baroness

:40:24.:40:36.

Corston first, are you saying social mobility is a myth for many kids?

:40:37.:40:41.

I'm saying it's not achievable for them, and the evidence is that it is

:40:42.:40:45.

going backwards. What are the issues? There are young people who

:40:46.:40:51.

find that when they leave school they haven't had careers advice,

:40:52.:40:56.

because there isn't a careers service. They haven't had the

:40:57.:40:58.

opportunity forward experience because they don't have the family

:40:59.:41:02.

contacts to make that possible. They are not ready for work, they do not

:41:03.:41:08.

have the life skills that will enable them to succeed in the

:41:09.:41:12.

workplace. If they go into further education, they are in a situation

:41:13.:41:16.

where there is a bewildering array of qualifications, many of which are

:41:17.:41:24.

not even understood by employers. Explain what you mean when you say

:41:25.:41:29.

that for many kids social mobility is going backwards. The evidence is

:41:30.:41:36.

that in the last ten years, social mobility, that is people from poorer

:41:37.:41:40.

backgrounds becoming high earners, has gone down from 17% to 13%. There

:41:41.:41:47.

is an element of going backwards. As part of this enquiry, which started

:41:48.:41:52.

last June, we made strenuous efforts, successful, I'm pleased to

:41:53.:41:58.

say, to contact as many young people through social media as possible.

:41:59.:42:02.

The message from them, and these were people who did feel overlooked

:42:03.:42:07.

and left behind, was that they didn't have those opportunities to

:42:08.:42:12.

be work ready, and at school, following a solely academic path

:42:13.:42:19.

until the age of 18 was very demotivating. If they had the

:42:20.:42:25.

opportunity to do some work experience at the age of 14, or

:42:26.:42:30.

vocational work, while continuing to do the core subjects like English,

:42:31.:42:34.

maths and science, they felt it would give them a better opportunity

:42:35.:42:40.

for their future. Explain a bit more how that would work. You say that

:42:41.:42:44.

you think the national curriculum should end at 14. What sort of

:42:45.:42:48.

things could go out of the window for some? How it would operate is

:42:49.:42:52.

for the government. We are making a recommendation. What we are saying

:42:53.:42:58.

is that the exclusively academic pathway doesn't suit everybody. It

:42:59.:43:03.

suited me, it suited five of my grandchildren. It didn't suit one of

:43:04.:43:08.

them, and I saw how he struggled. If you speak to these people, who know

:43:09.:43:14.

they could be high achievers, but stopped from being so, they know

:43:15.:43:23.

what it is they are missing. We can talk to our panel in the studio,

:43:24.:43:29.

some of who... All of whom have been through education in one form or

:43:30.:43:33.

another. Andrew, you finished an apprenticeship, you are 18 and have

:43:34.:43:36.

your first job. How do you feel about this debate and how you were

:43:37.:43:41.

helped, or helped or hindered through your education. I feel like

:43:42.:43:47.

in education you are prepared academically for certain aspects,

:43:48.:43:51.

using computers, learning how to use programmes and basic knowledge, but

:43:52.:43:55.

I think when you step into the real workplace you are not given certain

:43:56.:43:59.

skills from school. I went straight up to London, learning how to

:44:00.:44:02.

commute, or tell your boss you will not be in, you are not given certain

:44:03.:44:08.

skills in education and you lack that real life experience, which is

:44:09.:44:12.

why I chose doing an apprenticeship that being better for me. Is that

:44:13.:44:16.

the same for everyone, how good school address that? If schools

:44:17.:44:20.

could give you more work experience time, give you more chance to

:44:21.:44:24.

experience real life in the workplace. Did you get any work

:44:25.:44:30.

experience? I got about three weeks in total but it was such a rush and

:44:31.:44:33.

so disorganised, is you don't know what you want to do, you don't know

:44:34.:44:37.

where you want to work or what experience you need. I think it

:44:38.:44:41.

needs to be more targeted and more help needs to be given to young

:44:42.:44:44.

individuals to help target what they want to work in. You want to be an

:44:45.:44:51.

actor and studying performing arts, Ali. How do you see the debates?

:44:52.:44:59.

It's 50-50. At school I never really got work experience until I got to

:45:00.:45:03.

college. It felt a rush for me, as he said, it felt rushed for me as

:45:04.:45:12.

well. I think we need more practical training, we need to be there to

:45:13.:45:16.

feel it, because, personally, I don't feel I'm actually ready for a

:45:17.:45:20.

work place job, or subbing similar to that. This is all about whether

:45:21.:45:25.

kids are able to break out of their background and go on to achieve

:45:26.:45:31.

whatever they want to, effectively. Have you ever felt constrained by

:45:32.:45:32.

your background? I have never felt constrained. It is

:45:33.:45:43.

about the individual at the end of the day. If I am going to put in

:45:44.:45:49.

100% effort I will get 100% out of it. You are a 17-year-old

:45:50.:45:55.

apprentice, what is your experience of school and moving on from that? I

:45:56.:46:03.

left school at 15 so I did not take all of my GCSs. I was actually in

:46:04.:46:09.

hospital for nine months. By the time I came out, everybody was in

:46:10.:46:14.

the sixth form or college and I felt stuck, as if they had just dropped

:46:15.:46:20.

me. I did not know what I wanted to do, what career I wanted to get

:46:21.:46:25.

into. I felt I was unprepared for the situation. You did not think

:46:26.:46:29.

school was gearing you up for a world outside of studying? In terms

:46:30.:46:34.

of everything I have learned from school, I have not really applied

:46:35.:46:42.

any of that in the working world. I just was not given the opportunity

:46:43.:46:51.

to work out what I wanted to be, instead of thinking about what other

:46:52.:46:56.

people wanted to be. You work at a youth employment charity. Do you

:46:57.:47:02.

think background is still a constraint on ambition and schools

:47:03.:47:06.

are not doing enough? I think sometimes the problem is that people

:47:07.:47:10.

think there is a one size fits all solution and do not look at things

:47:11.:47:17.

such as gender, do not look at race, socioeconomic status, which all play

:47:18.:47:23.

into potential careers people may want to go into. Another thing is

:47:24.:47:28.

representation. A lot of students might not go into particular sectors

:47:29.:47:32.

if they don't see people who look like them that are excelling in

:47:33.:47:38.

there. There needs to be emphasis at school on work experience and things

:47:39.:47:43.

like that. I did work experience in year ten and also year 12. I wanted

:47:44.:47:49.

to become a barrister but after two weeks of working in chambers I

:47:50.:47:53.

realised I no longer wanted to do it and it saved me going to university

:47:54.:47:57.

and doing law to come out and find I did not want to. It is quite

:47:58.:48:05.

important. You are a barrister, you arrived as a child refugee from

:48:06.:48:08.

Somalia. You achieved from a difficult background. For me, what

:48:09.:48:15.

the baroness has done with the report represents important steps

:48:16.:48:20.

about choice in the school system. At the moment it is clear a lot of

:48:21.:48:25.

people are not provided with choice early on to be able to make an

:48:26.:48:28.

informed decision about what they want to do and it is critical

:48:29.:48:33.

because if you go to university and you are not sure about going and you

:48:34.:48:37.

do it and come out with debt to discover that route was not for you

:48:38.:48:42.

is quite difficult. What the baroness has done with the report is

:48:43.:48:47.

say the system as it is set up is not assisting the vast majority of

:48:48.:48:54.

people and not giving them that choice. If they choose not to go

:48:55.:48:57.

down the academic route, do they have the skills to get on and do

:48:58.:49:00.

what they need to do next time? What I see, when I have kids coming on

:49:01.:49:05.

work experience, who might ask for help, they lack the most basic

:49:06.:49:09.

things of understanding the issues of being on time, being presentable,

:49:10.:49:15.

understanding how to network, firm handshakes, eye contact. Following

:49:16.:49:22.

up on friendships, relationships, finding ways of getting somebody to

:49:23.:49:27.

mentor you, what does that mean? What are your targets? These are

:49:28.:49:31.

skills the system does not equip anyone for, and people who do

:49:32.:49:39.

succeed, it seems, are people whose parents and networks are able to

:49:40.:49:43.

assist them to solidify those things. Most people who are from a

:49:44.:49:48.

very poor background or disadvantaged background do not have

:49:49.:49:52.

those networks. That is not true to say people only get on in life if

:49:53.:49:56.

their parents give them a leg up the ladder? That is not what I am

:49:57.:50:01.

saying, I am saying the majority of people, especially in this country,

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especially in the English system, the nepotism and the way in which

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people help one another, and I am not suggesting there is anything

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wrong with that because every parent wants their child to get on, it is

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skewed against people who do not have those contacts. I can tell you

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myself, my mother was not formally educated. At the age of 18 I did not

:50:26.:50:29.

know what a barrister did, let alone be one. The connections and options

:50:30.:50:36.

given to me by people who assisted me and introduced me to people,

:50:37.:50:40.

without that I would not be where I am today and so in this country more

:50:41.:50:45.

than any other, how you connect yourself, whether through family,

:50:46.:50:51.

other ways, is so central to being able to succeed. Baroness, in the

:50:52.:50:56.

end, isn't the best way a state can help any kid to give them the best

:50:57.:51:01.

education they can get, the alternative argument could be put to

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when you say about ending the National Curriculum at 14, people

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might say that case, at 14 you are effectively writing off somebody's

:51:13.:51:16.

potential if they choose not to go down the academic route at that

:51:17.:51:21.

stage. Interesting you use the phrase writing off because I do not

:51:22.:51:25.

think young people see it that way. People who want to do an

:51:26.:51:29.

apprenticeship at Rolls-Royce do not feel they are being written off. It

:51:30.:51:33.

is because we do not value this training. It's 14 too young to

:51:34.:51:39.

decide they do not want to do something that might require a

:51:40.:51:42.

higher level of academic achievement? That is not my opinion,

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it is based on evidence we have taken from academics, teachers, over

:51:49.:51:53.

the last almost a year and it was recommended to the previous Tony

:51:54.:51:57.

Blair government in 2004 by Professor Tomlinson, who could see

:51:58.:52:02.

the system was not assisting social mobility and your young people have

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made the case. They want life skills, work experience. Work

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experience is usually related to whether your family knows somebody

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and in smaller enterprises, new jobs often go through that route. Andrew,

:52:17.:52:25.

did you feel early on something more academic was not for you? My father

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is very academic and my sister is studying for a masters and my

:52:33.:52:36.

brother is training in medicine. I feel that I was going along the

:52:37.:52:41.

route, and I was doing well, especially in business, but

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everything else was not working out for me and I thought maybe the best

:52:44.:52:49.

way of achieving my potential was going into the workplace,

:52:50.:52:53.

emphasising the professional skills, and networking. The company I work

:52:54.:53:01.

for, the CEO champions networking and I feel it helps. The drive of

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having your own motivation to get out there and develop skills to help

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you will also be the deciding factor on where you get to. Anyone can

:53:10.:53:14.

decide they want to be someone, they want to drive to that and develop

:53:15.:53:21.

their skills. How do you see this, you spoke earlier about making your

:53:22.:53:25.

own choices and making good on those choices? As I said about putting in

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100%, personally, if I put in 100%, I will get 100%. It is all about the

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work rate and ethic. It is about the individual, that is what I think.

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And what people keep coming back to is the issue of networking and being

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able to reach out to people, whether in the academic world or another

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one, to help you. How do kids get that? At elevations networks that

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was the premise of the youth charity being born, to connect students from

:54:10.:54:14.

underrepresented backgrounds and build their network. We built the

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charity on know who and know-how. I feel networking definitely plays a

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big part in it. It is something at school they should definitely try to

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push. It is a skill you not taught but you learn the way and I think it

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is not encouraged at school. It is important especially when you get in

:54:41.:54:45.

the career. People get promotions through networking and talking to

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people in the organisation says it is a skill we cannot forget.

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Baroness, we have to let you go, we will carry on chatting in the

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studio. Thanks for joining us. Thank you to your guests who have made my

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point. Would you say you have been good at networking? Before having my

:55:05.:55:14.

apprenticeship I did not have experience in even talking to

:55:15.:55:21.

employers. I feel if I were encouraged more to get myself out

:55:22.:55:27.

there, I would probably be in a really good place. A better place.

:55:28.:55:35.

Success is different for everyone and everyone has a different way of

:55:36.:55:41.

getting to where they want to be. Schools should maybe try to

:55:42.:55:46.

encourage teachers to show students what it is like to be in the working

:55:47.:55:53.

world. Did you feel inside yourself you knew where you wanted to go and

:55:54.:55:56.

you would get there, or did you feel you did need support? I had no idea

:55:57.:56:04.

there was support available. I was stuck on what to do. I had to look

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myself, and young people should be encouraged to look for themselves.

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When I was in education, I thought work would be handed to me. I was

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not sure what I wanted to do. You are nodding. I agree. I have been

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lucky where I have got to and I am representing my company in meetings

:56:31.:56:34.

in London and networking with influential people. I feel in

:56:35.:56:38.

education these skills are not taught to people, how to greet

:56:39.:56:42.

someone who might be very important to your career down the line. You

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are not taught how to cope in these situations but thankfully I was

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guided by by CEO for that but sitting in a run with 50 other

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people who are top bankers in London can be intimidating. You are

:56:58.:57:00.

entering the world of work at a younger age if you do not go to

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higher education. It can be intimidating, oh, I am 18, you 40

:57:07.:57:10.

and you have money and are influential, but you have to learn

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to stand your ground and know you are worth something and can get

:57:15.:57:18.

there if you push us up. Thanks. Are out of time. Still to come. We will

:57:19.:57:26.

hear the story of a woman who was kidnapped as a child and held

:57:27.:57:31.

hostage for four days. She describes her ordeal and how it changed her

:57:32.:57:36.

life. Let's catch up with the latest weather.

:57:37.:57:40.

Good to see you. Welcome to the weekend. A lot of

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sport taking place this weekend, with the golf in Augusta, but I will

:57:49.:57:54.

talk about the Grand National. You may notice this temperature, which

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is 6 degrees, which is what we expect, cold for the Grand National

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at Aintree. There will be showers around and also spells of sunshine.

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Not the warmest Grand National ever. I talked about the golf and we are

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set fair for the rest of the tournament but the wind has been a

:58:15.:58:18.

feature so far but by Sunday it will ease. That is the sport covered, now

:58:19.:58:26.

I will take you to a weather watch a picture from West Yorkshire.

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Daffodils enjoying the sunshine. Looking at the satellite, cloudy in

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Northern Ireland, which will produce rain. Cloud in the UK and elsewhere,

:58:37.:58:42.

producing showers, but the majority is so far have had a cold but lovely

:58:43.:58:46.

morning. This is the picture at midday with sunny spells around.

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Temperatures gradually recovering. The odd shower breaking out where we

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had sunshine to start the day and this afternoon focused on the East

:58:57.:59:01.

Midlands, East Anglia and the south-east. Not as heavy as recent

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days. The odd heavy one around but not as widespread. Lighter wind and

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sunshine, it will feel quite pleasant. In Northern Ireland, you

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have rain moving in, spoiling things for the afternoon. That will reach

:59:17.:59:21.

into Western fringes of Scotland and Wales and the far west of England

:59:22.:59:25.

this afternoon. The temperatures higher than the past few days.

:59:26.:59:30.

Tonight the rain will push eastwards across the UK and behind it it will

:59:31.:59:36.

turn colder with a touch of frost developing. Temperatures dipping

:59:37.:59:39.

markedly with clear skies in Northern Ireland, close to freezing

:59:40.:59:44.

in some spots. Showers will move in and will deliver sleet and snow

:59:45.:59:49.

tomorrow morning to the hills of Wales and the Moors in south-west

:59:50.:59:53.

England and also maybe a few flakes in lower levels. The rain pushes

:59:54.:00:00.

away and northern Scotland might have outbreaks of rain through the

:00:01.:00:03.

day but elsewhere sunshine, scattered showers, some heavy and

:00:04.:00:08.

thundery. They push of colder air coming into the UK and the chill we

:00:09.:00:15.

talked about at the Grand National. On Sunday, possibly rain in the far

:00:16.:00:23.

north of Scotland. Some outbreaks of rain in the west. Away from the wet

:00:24.:00:28.

weather systems, fine but breezy weather and less cool weather on

:00:29.:00:29.

Sunday. Five statements in five days -

:00:30.:00:35.

the Prime Minister is criticised after finally revealing that he did

:00:36.:00:43.

profit from an offshore fund set We have a Prime Minister who has

:00:44.:00:54.

sought to say, we are all in it together, and the burden of

:00:55.:00:57.

austerity in the last six years has been evenly born. What this reveals,

:00:58.:01:04.

is that this isn't true. Did he do anything wrong? No, he has not done

:01:05.:01:07.

anything wrong. He didn't avoid tax by investing in this trust. He paid

:01:08.:01:13.

UK tax on this investment and souls those shares more than six years

:01:14.:01:16.

ago. She was 13 when she snuck

:01:17.:01:19.

out of her home to meet But he wasn't a boy -

:01:20.:01:21.

he was a man who then tortured and abused her for four days

:01:22.:01:26.

and broadcast it online. I feel, and I felt at the time,

:01:27.:01:28.

that he was going to kill me. It feels horrible to say this,

:01:29.:01:32.

but if I didn't serve a purpose, that he was going to kill me,

:01:33.:01:36.

that he didn't have another option. Spieth you can hear the full

:01:37.:01:43.

interview after 10:30am. It's more than a year since

:01:44.:01:47.

Robin Williams took his own life - and today his last major film

:01:48.:01:50.

Boulevard comes out in the cinema, and it's being hailed as one

:01:51.:01:53.

of his best. We can go to the BBC Newsroom

:01:54.:02:00.

with a summary of today's news. Opposition parties are accusing

:02:01.:02:11.

David Cameron of hypocrisy, after he revealed he'd previously

:02:12.:02:13.

owned shares in an offshore trust, The trust had been set up by his

:02:14.:02:15.

late father. The Prime Minister sold

:02:16.:02:25.

the shares in 2010, before he entered Number Ten,

:02:26.:02:27.

and insists he paid all The Prime Minister has faced

:02:28.:02:36.

persistent questions about an offshore trust set up by his late

:02:37.:02:40.

father. It was set up in a tax haven and didn't pay tax in Britain. Faced

:02:41.:02:44.

by bad headlines all week, the Prime Minister gradually gave away more

:02:45.:02:48.

information about his own financial affairs, saying he didn't own shares

:02:49.:02:51.

in offshore trusts and wouldn't benefit from them in the future.

:02:52.:02:55.

Last night he revealed he had benefited from shares in a Father's

:02:56.:03:01.

trust when he was Leader of the Opposition. Samantha and I owned

:03:02.:03:06.

5000 units in Blairmore investment trust which we sold in January 20

:03:07.:03:12.

ten. That was worth something like ?30,000. He insisted his father's

:03:13.:03:17.

trust wasn't set up to avoid tax. The criticisms are based on a

:03:18.:03:22.

fundamental misconception, which is that Blairmore investment, a unit

:03:23.:03:25.

trust, was set up with the idea of avoiding tax, it wasn't. Labour and

:03:26.:03:33.

the SNP say the and he will face more questions when Parliament

:03:34.:03:38.

resumes on Monday. What other shareholdings did David Cameron hold

:03:39.:03:41.

when he was an MP and leaders of the opposition? Did he invest in any

:03:42.:03:44.

other trusts that were established in this kind of way? Revenue and

:03:45.:03:49.

Customs had a slogan, tax doesn't need to be taxing. The Prime

:03:50.:03:52.

Minister is currently finding it very taxing indeed.

:03:53.:03:55.

The first of two boats carrying migrants from

:03:56.:03:57.

the Greek island of Lesbos - has arrived in Turkey.

:03:58.:03:59.

It's part of the deal agreed with the European Union last month

:04:00.:04:02.

aimed at deterring migrants from making the hazardous

:04:03.:04:04.

Around 45 migrants, mostly of Pakistani origin,

:04:05.:04:10.

made up the first sailing to the Turkish port of Dikili.

:04:11.:04:13.

A second boat is on it's way right now.

:04:14.:04:15.

Let's get the latest from our correspondent

:04:16.:04:17.

What's the picture there this morning? The first boat has now

:04:18.:04:32.

arrived here in the last hour or so. This is the scene behind me, it has

:04:33.:04:38.

docked here from Lesbos this morning. White a lot of the 45

:04:39.:04:46.

Pakistanis on board are still on the boat, it's a slow process to get

:04:47.:04:50.

them off. Turkish officials are boarding and escorting the migrants

:04:51.:04:54.

off, who then have their names and fingerprints taken, have a medical

:04:55.:04:59.

check, and are then taken to a deportation centre in north-west

:05:00.:05:01.

Turkey close to the Hungarian border, from where the Turkish

:05:02.:05:05.

government hope they will be sent back to Pakistan. The second boat is

:05:06.:05:09.

docked in the sea a few hundred metres away. That will soon come in,

:05:10.:05:14.

and we think 145 in total will arrive today. The second wave has

:05:15.:05:20.

been delayed by lack of personnel on the Greek islands and a surge in

:05:21.:05:23.

last-minute applications by migrants. The Turkish Prime Minister

:05:24.:05:28.

said the Turkish government would only stick to the deal if EU stuck

:05:29.:05:33.

to its side of the bargain, giving more money to Turkey, opening up

:05:34.:05:41.

talks, and by the end of June if certain conditions are met. He's

:05:42.:05:44.

playing hardball and saying both sides need to stick to the deal if

:05:45.:05:46.

it is to work. A man has been arrested

:05:47.:05:54.

and is being questioned on suspicion of murder over the disappearance

:05:55.:05:57.

of a London police officer. PC Gordon Semple was reported

:05:58.:05:59.

missing a week ago and was last seen on CCTV on a street near London

:06:00.:06:02.

Bridge. Yesterday police were called

:06:03.:06:04.

to a property in Southwark where human remains were discovered

:06:05.:06:06.

and a man was arrested. Due to the condition

:06:07.:06:12.

of the human remains, it will take some time for the cause

:06:13.:06:14.

of death to be established, and for At this point, I do not wish

:06:15.:06:17.

to speculate on what has happened. Yesterday, a forensic search started

:06:18.:06:24.

at the address and is still ongoing. The fourth strike by junior

:06:25.:06:33.

doctors in England, over the government's new

:06:34.:06:39.

contract, has finished. Government sources say

:06:40.:06:40.

that the British Medical Association has blown its chance to negotiate,

:06:41.:06:42.

and a new contract will now be But the BMA is planning

:06:43.:06:45.

another walkout at the end of the month when -

:06:46.:06:49.

for the first time in the dispute - emergency cover will

:06:50.:06:52.

also be withdrawn. Tata Steel is refusing to comment

:06:53.:06:59.

on claims it made significant profits from a policy designed

:07:00.:07:01.

to protect the climate. Three separate experts say Tata made

:07:02.:07:03.

hundreds of millions of pounds selling carbon emissions permits

:07:04.:07:06.

it was given for free under It's a controversial allegation

:07:07.:07:10.

because Tata had complained that one of the reasons it wasn't able

:07:11.:07:16.

to make a profit was because of EU Last week Tata announced it would be

:07:17.:07:20.

selling its UK steel plants, Uber has agreed to pay around

:07:21.:07:24.

?7 million to settle a dispute in the United States over

:07:25.:07:32.

its background checks for drivers. The company was sued in 2014

:07:33.:07:36.

after it claimed its vetting process was safer than systems that

:07:37.:07:41.

traditional minicab firms used. Prosecutors said Uber had failed

:07:42.:07:44.

to prevent 25 people with criminal The firm will now

:07:45.:07:47.

change its adverts. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:48.:07:53.

News - more at 10:30. Coming up, the latest in our trips

:07:54.:08:15.

around London, prospective mayoral candidates, Norman will be speaking

:08:16.:08:22.

to the Lib Democrat candidate. We will be speaking about Robin

:08:23.:08:24.

WIlliams' latest film Boulevard. Do get in touch with us

:08:25.:08:27.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:08:28.:08:29.

and If you text, you will be charged Social mobility inspiring lots of

:08:30.:08:36.

comments. We will bring you a flavour of some of those in a little

:08:37.:08:46.

while. Time to catch up with the sport. A positive result for

:08:47.:08:54.

Liverpool in Dortmund last night, but they were left with a major

:08:55.:08:59.

injury worry for Jordan Henderson just a month before Roy Hodgson

:09:00.:09:01.

names his England squad for Euro 2016.

:09:02.:09:04.

Jurgen Klopp's side drew 1-1 with his old club

:09:05.:09:06.

Borussia Dortmund in the first leg of their Europa League

:09:07.:09:08.

quarter-final - Divock Origi with an important away goal.

:09:09.:09:10.

But Henderson suffered a knee injury and Klopp said it didn't look good.

:09:11.:09:14.

The German side levelled through Mats Hummels

:09:15.:09:16.

but Liverpool will feel positive going into the second leg

:09:17.:09:18.

Now to the Masters and a terrific start for the defending

:09:19.:09:26.

The American is two clear of the field after an opening 66

:09:27.:09:30.

and he's the first player in the history of the tournament

:09:31.:09:32.

to lead the field for five successive rounds.

:09:33.:09:34.

Our man at Augusta is Stephen Watson.

:09:35.:09:40.

It was the start of the defending champion had been dreaming of. A

:09:41.:09:47.

near flawless opening round of six under par for Jordan Spieth. Three

:09:48.:09:51.

birdies on the front nine, and three on the back nine to open up a first

:09:52.:09:56.

day two shot lead. Another impressive round from a player who

:09:57.:10:02.

has finished first and second on his two masters appearances. I was

:10:03.:10:09.

accepting so taking four extra strokes out there with no bogeys, it

:10:10.:10:14.

was just awesome. It's a good feeling to be in this position

:10:15.:10:17.

again. It's the first round and we have a long way to go. Playing

:10:18.:10:22.

alongside Jordan Spieth was the impressive Paul Casey, who finished

:10:23.:10:26.

three shots adrift of the champion. A joy to be playing with, the

:10:27.:10:31.

defending champion. I'm not sure I've been privileged to be paired in

:10:32.:10:35.

that group before, and to get up close and personal and see how he

:10:36.:10:40.

really took the golf course apart today was really oppressive. Paul

:10:41.:10:45.

Casey is one of a trio of Englishmen in contention, including Justin

:10:46.:10:49.

Rose, the joint runner-up a year ago. And Ian Poulter, who is also

:10:50.:10:54.

well placed on three under par. It's the only major I'm in right now, so

:10:55.:10:58.

I have to take advantage of that. I worked hard last week. Practised

:10:59.:11:03.

hard, worked well with Pete Carroll and, and I feel pretty fresh.

:11:04.:11:10.

Fitting is a good golf shots. Tournament favourite, Australian

:11:11.:11:13.

Jason Day, started brilliantly but dropped five shots in the last four

:11:14.:11:18.

holes to slip down the leaderboard. And a patient Rory McIlroy made a

:11:19.:11:26.

good start, two under and inside the top ten. Disappointed with the three

:11:27.:11:35.

put back on 16. -- three putt. I need to make those shots back as

:11:36.:11:39.

quickly as I can. Execute the game plan, which is to take advantage of

:11:40.:11:43.

the par fives and if I know I can do that, keep it tidy, then by the end

:11:44.:11:48.

of the week I will not be far away. It was another Irishman who grabbed

:11:49.:11:54.

some of the headlines. Shane Lowry, in just his second Masters, showed

:11:55.:11:59.

the composure and ability of an Augusta veteran. It's a very healthy

:12:00.:12:02.

British and Irish looking leaderboard and we should be set for

:12:03.:12:04.

an intriguing day two. The Prime Minister has now admitted

:12:05.:12:10.

he did own and profit from shares He said he and his wife Samantha

:12:11.:12:14.

sold their shares in the fund in 2010 for ?30,000 -

:12:15.:12:21.

before he became Prime Minister. And he insisted all UK

:12:22.:12:23.

taxes had been paid. So why didn't he say that

:12:24.:12:27.

at the start of the week when he was first questioned

:12:28.:12:30.

about the matter? The Panama Papers were

:12:31.:12:32.

released on Sunday night, and when Ian Cameron's name appeared

:12:33.:12:34.

in them, journalists began to ask whether David Cameron had benefited

:12:35.:12:40.

from Blairmore Holdings, On Monday, the Prime Minister's

:12:41.:12:42.

official spokesman told journalists in a briefing

:12:43.:12:46.

that it was a "private matter". On Tuesday Downing Street issued

:12:47.:12:49.

a statement saying: "To be clear, the Prime Minister, his wife

:12:50.:12:53.

and their children do not benefit from any offshore funds, adding

:12:54.:12:59.

the prime minister owns no shares. Mr Cameron also stated his position

:13:00.:13:01.

in a speech in Birmingham. And on Wednesday morning another

:13:02.:13:04.

statement was released by Downing Street, saying:

:13:05.:13:06.

"There are no offshore funds or trusts which the prime minister,

:13:07.:13:08.

Mrs Cameron or their children And then last night the Prime

:13:09.:13:11.

Minister spoke to ITV News. Samantha and I had a joint account

:13:12.:13:17.

and we owned 5,000 units in Blairmore Investment Trust

:13:18.:13:20.

which we sold in January 2010 - that was worth

:13:21.:13:22.

something like ?30,000. There was a profit on it

:13:23.:13:27.

but that was less than the capital gains tax allowance,

:13:28.:13:38.

so I didn't pay capital gains tax, but it was subject to all the UK

:13:39.:13:40.

taxes in all the normal ways. I think a lot of the criticisms

:13:41.:13:44.

are based on a fundamental misconception which is that

:13:45.:13:48.

Blairemore Investment, a unit trust, was set up with the idea

:13:49.:13:51.

of avoiding tax. It wasn't - it was set up

:13:52.:13:55.

after exchange controls went so that people who wanted to invest

:13:56.:13:59.

in dollar-denominated shares could do so, and there are many

:14:00.:14:02.

other, thousands of other unit It was reported to the HMRC,

:14:03.:14:05.

it reported itself every year Labour has accused David Cameron of

:14:06.:14:23.

hypocrisy and says voters would not believe the Prime Minister's

:14:24.:14:27.

assurances. Conservative backbench MP Damian Collins said he had

:14:28.:14:32.

nothing to apologise for. The issue is, did

:14:33.:14:34.

he do anything wrong? He wasn't avoiding tax

:14:35.:14:36.

by investing in this trust, he paid UK tax from this investment

:14:37.:14:40.

and sold those shares more than six years ago and has made a public

:14:41.:14:43.

declaration of that now. I don't see that he has any more

:14:44.:14:46.

questions to answer. On the point whether it would have

:14:47.:14:55.

made a difference if it was declared upfront, it may be wouldn't have led

:14:56.:14:58.

to five days of headlines on different details coming out

:14:59.:15:02.

gradually. We are talking about two or three days. I think there would

:15:03.:15:05.

have been interest in what he said regardless of when he said it. There

:15:06.:15:09.

was the impression he wasn't being completely straight at the

:15:10.:15:12.

beginning. There is no question that anything he said was in any way

:15:13.:15:15.

incorrect or inaccurate and he has now made a full declaration of

:15:16.:15:29.

previous holdings. David Cameron says this was not set up to avoid

:15:30.:15:35.

tax is. It is a company he had shares in, he sold them, he paid all

:15:36.:15:42.

UK taxes. Talk us through what this fund was and what has gone on here.

:15:43.:15:50.

These funds exploded in the 1980s, 1990s as a way of allowing people,

:15:51.:15:56.

often wealthy people, to invest in international assets. If you wanted

:15:57.:16:03.

to invest in Africa, African countries, if you wanted to invest

:16:04.:16:08.

in the emerging markets in Asia, these funds allowed you to do that

:16:09.:16:13.

when the rules changed in the 1980s and money could move around the

:16:14.:16:17.

globe much more easy. They weren't to avoid tax directly because these

:16:18.:16:22.

companies are taxed in the country they invest in. All the profits

:16:23.:16:28.

taken by the funds are taxed by the individuals themselves in the

:16:29.:16:31.

country where they live, so David Cameron when he sold his shares was

:16:32.:16:35.

tax on that income in the UK. What they were therefore was to stop the

:16:36.:16:43.

being a third layer of tax by the actual fund itself. All these tax

:16:44.:16:48.

havens set themselves up to allow that to happen and competed with

:16:49.:16:52.

each other on having on the tax environment. That is really to avoid

:16:53.:16:57.

a third layer of tax rather than to avoid tax altogether. The other

:16:58.:17:05.

point is that for the wealthy, they would have direct investment in

:17:06.:17:09.

these funds but all of us if we have a pension fund, if we have a savings

:17:10.:17:13.

account of some description are likely to indirect Lee have used

:17:14.:17:21.

similar sorts of structures to avoid this third layer of tax. What these

:17:22.:17:29.

funds were forward to allow people to invest in global assets around

:17:30.:17:34.

the world and for money to be more easily investable interfaces like in

:17:35.:17:38.

Africa countries and these funds were legally set up for the British

:17:39.:17:43.

ones, like the British Virgin Islands on the Bahamas were set up

:17:44.:17:49.

under British law, so you could be at least have some security that the

:17:50.:17:54.

legal system in these countries, like the British Virgin Islands,

:17:55.:17:57.

would be as strong as it would be in the UK and you would not be exposed

:17:58.:18:03.

to legal risk. If you were to invest in Nigeria, for example, there would

:18:04.:18:07.

be legal risk. These funds were set up in British jurisdiction because

:18:08.:18:12.

they sat under British law funny meaning there were much more legally

:18:13.:18:17.

robust. Let's talk to Stuart Hosie of the SNP. David Cameron said this

:18:18.:18:23.

was not set up for tax avoidance purposes. We have just had the

:18:24.:18:32.

explanation on why there were set up by Kamal Ahmed, David Cameron said

:18:33.:18:37.

he sold the shares and paid all UK taxes on them anyway. What do you

:18:38.:18:43.

think he has done wrong? I don't doubt that is correct and I don't

:18:44.:18:47.

think he has done anything wrong in any legal sense at all. Some of

:18:48.:18:54.

those institutions were set up to do precisely what he said. The problem

:18:55.:18:58.

is there are tens of thousands of them and we know that many of these

:18:59.:19:05.

companies have been set up not to avoid paying tax directly, but to

:19:06.:19:12.

hide the real ownership behind them, so you have a company established in

:19:13.:19:16.

a British Overseas Territory administered by a Panamanian lawyer

:19:17.:19:20.

so that the beneficial owner, the ultimate owner of the business might

:19:21.:19:25.

not be known to the tax authorities in this country or another country.

:19:26.:19:31.

Specifically in terms of David Cameron, he said exactly what he

:19:32.:19:35.

had, he has spelt about coming he said he sold them. As Farid -- as

:19:36.:19:41.

far as you're concerned does that draw a line under the matter for

:19:42.:19:45.

him? For him personally I don't think he has done anything illegal

:19:46.:19:51.

at all. The profit he made was under the capital gains tax thresholds so

:19:52.:19:55.

that was no tax due. That is not the point. The point is, what we know

:19:56.:20:03.

from the Panama Papers is that there are now tens of thousands of these

:20:04.:20:07.

organisations in any number of countries administered by Panamanian

:20:08.:20:13.

lawyers so that the ownership is not known to the tax authorities. That

:20:14.:20:24.

is exactly the kind of tax avoidance mechanism that this government have

:20:25.:20:28.

railed against, calling tomorrow. What we need now is not David

:20:29.:20:32.

Cameron to tell us any more about his private affairs, but real

:20:33.:20:37.

transparency so that the ultimate beneficial ownership of all of these

:20:38.:20:42.

institutions is properly known to the appropriate tax authorities. In

:20:43.:20:47.

terms of personal difficulties for David Cameron who has been under a

:20:48.:20:51.

lot of pressure over this with people accusing him of hypocrisy, as

:20:52.:20:55.

far as you're concerned is that now over and the at how to address the

:20:56.:21:00.

bigger issue, issue, the broader issue of these overseas trusts? As I

:21:01.:21:08.

said, I don't think he has done anything wrong in the legal sense

:21:09.:21:15.

the difficulty for him is that it went four or five days from saying

:21:16.:21:22.

this is nobodies business, two we forgot that we had ?30,000 in this

:21:23.:21:28.

trust. The Chancellor should have come clean right at the very stark

:21:29.:21:33.

rather than making this go away. The big issue is not David Cameron, it

:21:34.:21:36.

is the regime that allows this to happen in the first place. Thank you

:21:37.:21:39.

very much, Stuart Hosie. Still to come, with Robin Williams's

:21:40.:21:57.

last film. The race to succeed Boris Johnson

:21:58.:22:07.

as London Mayor has In less than a month's time

:22:08.:22:10.

a new person will be elected to one of the biggest political jobs

:22:11.:22:14.

in the country. I have in the back of my cab today

:22:15.:22:25.

Caroline Pidgeon, the Lib Dem candidate for London Mayor.

:22:26.:22:30.

Caroline, welcome. You have made housing one of your big issues. You

:22:31.:22:35.

said you want to start at City Hall house-building company. Isn't this

:22:36.:22:41.

basically going back to council housing? I truly believe in council

:22:42.:22:46.

housing and I'm afraid the Conservative government at the

:22:47.:22:50.

moment just wants to get rid of it. I will build the homes that we need.

:22:51.:22:55.

One in four of those homes will be genuinely council housing. I will

:22:56.:23:02.

ask Londoners to continue paying the level of council tax rulers last

:23:03.:23:04.

year. money into the housing,

:23:05.:23:11.

and then on top of that I believe We don't have enough skilled

:23:12.:23:14.

construction workers, so I'd set up a state-of-the-art

:23:15.:23:17.

building academy in London to make Ket's talk about those who have

:23:18.:23:29.

to rent in the private sector, No, I'm not, but we have got to do

:23:30.:23:32.

something to help those people who too often

:23:33.:23:37.

are being ripped off What I'd do is by massively

:23:38.:23:39.

boosting the supply, But that's going to

:23:40.:23:43.

take years and years? Then on top of that,

:23:44.:23:47.

I'd be looking at bringing in licensing across London to make

:23:48.:23:50.

sure that every landlord meets a certain minimum standard and give

:23:51.:23:53.

them some kind of kitemark, so you know if you are a private

:23:54.:23:55.

renter, this is a decent landlord, There has been a lot of hoo-ha

:23:56.:23:59.

about the Panama Papers, really wealthy foreigners buying

:24:00.:24:06.

properties in London which they just What about saying you can only buy

:24:07.:24:09.

in London if you're a UK taxpayer? I want to see investment

:24:10.:24:13.

coming in from overseas. I'd far rather see it being put

:24:14.:24:17.

into building blocks of quality private rented housing,

:24:18.:24:20.

so they get a regular return but it's affordable

:24:21.:24:22.

housing for Londoners. I think we've got to work

:24:23.:24:23.

with government to make sure that there aren't any loopholes that

:24:24.:24:26.

are allowing people... It's not just that people

:24:27.:24:28.

are buying properties, We need to make sure we tackle

:24:29.:24:30.

that loophole that's You want 3000 more police

:24:31.:24:35.

officers in London. What I would do is put them

:24:36.:24:38.

on the transport network, on the Tube, trains and buses,

:24:39.:24:42.

to make sure as Londoners move I'd take it out of transport

:24:43.:24:44.

funding. I'm going to increase the congestion

:24:45.:24:50.

charge, I'm going to bring I've got other ways to raise money

:24:51.:24:52.

in the transport budget and that's how I'd pay for them,

:24:53.:24:57.

because they'd come Quickly, before we go on to some

:24:58.:24:59.

London-based questions, how much are you putting

:25:00.:25:02.

the congestion charge up by? I'd be looking to increase

:25:03.:25:04.

it to ?14 a day. And also, if you're

:25:05.:25:07.

travelling at peak hours, I would charge you even more,

:25:08.:25:10.

because I want to get those private vehicles off the streets so that

:25:11.:25:13.

taxis like this and buses can move Let me ask you some London

:25:14.:25:16.

questions, because you're Central Line, not a difficult line,

:25:17.:25:19.

a lot of people use it. If I started at Holborn,

:25:20.:25:24.

then I went to Tottenham Court Road, then I went to Oxford Circus,

:25:25.:25:27.

what would be next? If I said to you, Chelsea,

:25:28.:25:29.

Albert Bridge, what would That's the other side

:25:30.:25:35.

of London to where I focus. You're a South London woman,

:25:36.:25:40.

so you'll get this. When you said wrote,

:25:41.:25:45.

I was thinking it was a book rather Lastly, we're in a cab,

:25:46.:26:01.

so let me ask you this question, It's cabbie slang

:26:02.:26:04.

for something. Caroline Pidgeon, thank

:26:05.:26:07.

you very much. We have the Lib Dem plans for London

:26:08.:26:21.

with their mayoral candidate, In total, 12 candidates are hoping

:26:22.:26:24.

to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor of London in the election on 5th

:26:25.:26:29.

May. You can find a full list of them

:26:30.:26:30.

on the BBC News site. And if you want to watch back

:26:31.:26:34.

the other interviews You can find them on our programme

:26:35.:26:36.

page - bbc.co.uk/victoria. Lots of you getting in touch about

:26:37.:26:52.

our discussion on social mobility. Jordan has got in touch to say 14 is

:26:53.:26:57.

far too young, it is a choice that should not be forced onto them, that

:26:58.:27:03.

is because of the call for the national curriculum to end up 14.

:27:04.:27:07.

Josie has said that everyone working in education need to remind you that

:27:08.:27:12.

academia is not the norm for all. Someone else has said that

:27:13.:27:16.

interpersonal and life skills around the centre of career success and

:27:17.:27:19.

Stephen has tweeted to say that young people know what networking

:27:20.:27:24.

is, just teach them in school how to apply it in the working world.

:27:25.:27:29.

Someone else says school is not responsible for getting you into

:27:30.:27:39.

work, children can make an informed decision for education over career.

:27:40.:27:43.

Someone else says I worked in a school for 30 years, some children

:27:44.:27:47.

develop later rather than earlier. Lots of you getting in touch on

:27:48.:27:54.

David Cameron, as well. He did say that he did have some shares in an

:27:55.:27:58.

investment trust that was set up by his father, but he sold them and

:27:59.:28:03.

paid all UK taxes due on those shares. Steve has tweeted to say

:28:04.:28:09.

that the issue is that Cameron has done anything wrong, it is the lack

:28:10.:28:11.

of transparency and changing stories. An e-mail from Alan saying

:28:12.:28:18.

and typical furore over nothing. There are many other reasons we

:28:19.:28:24.

people have offshore accounts. John has e-mail said that if David

:28:25.:28:28.

Cameron has nothing to hide, why has he gone to such lengths over a

:28:29.:28:32.

number of years to hide it. Paul has said that I think if anybody was

:28:33.:28:39.

given the opportunity to make money from investing in the legal offshore

:28:40.:28:43.

trust, people would grab that with both hands. Keep your comments

:28:44.:28:45.

coming in. We will hear the extraordinary story

:28:46.:28:48.

of a woman who was kidnapped as a child and held hostage

:28:49.:28:51.

for four days. She describes her ordeal and how

:28:52.:28:53.

it changed her life. It's more than a year

:28:54.:28:57.

since Robin Williams' death and we'll review his final film

:28:58.:28:59.

Boulevard, which comes out That's to come before the end

:29:00.:29:02.

of the programme. Opposition parties are accusing

:29:03.:29:13.

David Cameron of hypocrisy, after he revealed he'd previously

:29:14.:29:19.

owned shares in an offshore trust, The Prime Minister sold

:29:20.:29:23.

the shares in 2010, before he entered Number Ten,

:29:24.:29:28.

and insists he paid all Mr Cameron has been under pressure

:29:29.:29:30.

all week to give more details about his involvement

:29:31.:29:36.

with Blairmore Holdings, I don't think he's done anything

:29:37.:29:49.

wrong in a legal sense. The difficulty for David Cameron is that

:29:50.:29:52.

it took four or five days from, this is a private matter with no overseas

:29:53.:30:03.

interest to, we forgot. We made a profit on this some years ago.

:30:04.:30:06.

The issue is, did he do anything wrong?

:30:07.:30:08.

He wasn't avoiding tax by investing in this trust,

:30:09.:30:12.

he paid UK tax from this investment and sold those shares more than six

:30:13.:30:17.

years ago and has made a personal declaration of that now.

:30:18.:30:19.

I don't see that he has any more questions to answer.

:30:20.:30:22.

The first of two boats carrying migrants from

:30:23.:30:26.

the Greek island of Lesbos - has arrived in Turkey.

:30:27.:30:29.

It's part of the deal agreed with the European Union last month

:30:30.:30:32.

aimed at deterring migrants from making the hazardous journey

:30:33.:30:34.

Around 45 migrants, mostly of Pakistani origin,

:30:35.:30:36.

made up the first sailing to the Turkish port of Dikili.

:30:37.:30:43.

The second boat has 79 people on board, none of them from Syria.

:30:44.:30:48.

A man has been arrested and is being questioned on suspicion

:30:49.:30:51.

of murder over the disappearance of a London police officer.

:30:52.:30:53.

PC Gordon Semple was reported missing a week ago and was last seen

:30:54.:30:56.

on CCTV on a street near London Bridge.

:30:57.:30:58.

Yesterday police were called to a property in Southwark

:30:59.:31:00.

where human remains were discovered and a man was arrested.

:31:01.:31:03.

The property is still being examined.

:31:04.:31:06.

Young people who choose not to take A-Levels or go to university

:31:07.:31:09.

are being let down by our education system, according to a report

:31:10.:31:12.

It proposes that 14 to 19 year olds should go through a "transition

:31:13.:31:17.

stage" where they can make choices about their career,

:31:18.:31:20.

rather than having to make all the big decisions at 16.

:31:21.:31:26.

We'll be discussing this story on the programme

:31:27.:31:29.

For about the last 25 years, governments have focused on getting

:31:30.:31:42.

more young people into university, which is laudable. They have also

:31:43.:31:47.

focused on the very small number of people who have left school, who are

:31:48.:31:51.

not in training, who are not at work. But the majority of young

:31:52.:31:57.

people are in the middle. 53% of young people are not in either of

:31:58.:32:01.

those categories. We found that in many ways they have been overlooked

:32:02.:32:02.

and left behind. That's a summary of the latest news,

:32:03.:32:04.

join me for BBC Newsroom Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp

:32:05.:32:07.

was defiant after his Klopp said people thought his side

:32:08.:32:16.

would lose 2, 3 or 4-0 but Divock Origi scored an important

:32:17.:32:21.

away goal, as they drew 1-1 with Borussia Dortmund in the first

:32:22.:32:24.

leg of their Europa League Jordan Spieth said he'd have taken

:32:25.:32:27.

a 2-under par in the windy conditions on Day One of the Masters

:32:28.:32:34.

at Augusta but the defending champion is leading again

:32:35.:32:37.

with an opening 6-under par 66 And Ben Stokes says he is only just

:32:38.:32:39.

coming to terms with the "complete devastation" he felt

:32:40.:32:47.

after following England's World Twenty20 final

:32:48.:32:49.

defeat to West Indies. After being hit for four

:32:50.:32:53.

sixes in the final over, Tyson Fury's trainer and uncle,

:32:54.:32:58.

Peter, has said on Twitter that Britain's World Heavyweight Champion

:32:59.:33:03.

will have a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko

:33:04.:33:05.

in Manchester on July 9th. Tyson Fury ended Klitschko's 11 year

:33:06.:33:10.

reign as champion in November. Alicia Kozakiewicz was 13-years-old

:33:11.:33:18.

when she snuck out of her home in Pittsburgh to meet a boy she'd

:33:19.:33:21.

been chatting to online. But far from an innocent adventure,

:33:22.:33:24.

what followed was a nightmare that Alicia had been lured into a trap

:33:25.:33:30.

by a man who kidnapped, Chillingly, her attacks

:33:31.:33:35.

were being broadcast online, but that eventually led

:33:36.:33:40.

to her dramatic rescue. Now 27, Alicia has rebuilt her life

:33:41.:33:44.

and made it her mission I met somebody online who I thought

:33:45.:33:59.

was my friend. He immediately began to groom me, and made me feel these

:34:00.:34:05.

things that kids don't feel every single day of their lives. He made

:34:06.:34:11.

me feel beautiful, important and special and unique. He told me what

:34:12.:34:15.

I wanted to hear against what I needed to hear. As a kid, that feels

:34:16.:34:20.

quite good. Over a period of about eight or nine months, I had agreed

:34:21.:34:28.

to meet him. Again, I thought it was somebody around my own age, somebody

:34:29.:34:34.

who was a friend. I remember on New Year's Day 2002, my family were

:34:35.:34:37.

having a nice meal, celebrating the New Year. I look back at those

:34:38.:34:43.

moments and think it was the last few moments of my life being, I

:34:44.:34:49.

don't want to say normal, but, yeah, normal. I remember asking my mother

:34:50.:34:55.

if I could be excused from the table because I had a stomach ache. She

:34:56.:35:01.

said, of course. And then I got up, slipped out of the front door. I

:35:02.:35:07.

left the door open a little bit because I was planning on coming

:35:08.:35:12.

back through it. To show how intense and effective grooming is, this was

:35:13.:35:16.

something completely out of my character. To this day, I can't

:35:17.:35:21.

understand how that happened, why that happened, and why I made that

:35:22.:35:26.

decision. But kids don't always make the best decisions. I was a

:35:27.:35:31.

13-year-old kid, and they make mistakes, kids, but it's an adult's

:35:32.:35:38.

prerogative to never exploit those mistakes. Ireland rendered stepping

:35:39.:35:42.

outside into the coldest night, it was so very cold. -- I remember

:35:43.:35:47.

stepping out. I walked down the street about a block or so, and I

:35:48.:35:51.

could still see my house when I turned around. I felt quite safe. I

:35:52.:35:55.

stood there, and finally the little boy showed up. My intuition kicked

:35:56.:36:03.

in, what are you doing, this is dangerous, go home. I turned around,

:36:04.:36:08.

and my name was called, and the next thing I know, I was in a car and

:36:09.:36:12.

this man was squeezing my hand so tightly I thought it was broken. He

:36:13.:36:17.

was barking commands at me to be quiet and be good. At this point he

:36:18.:36:23.

began a five-hour drive from Pittsburgh to his house in Virginia.

:36:24.:36:28.

How were you feeling at that moment when you realised you had the

:36:29.:36:31.

situation completely wrong and you were in danger? It's hard to

:36:32.:36:38.

describe that sort of tear, that fear of death, that you are no

:36:39.:36:46.

longer in control of your life. And just absolute fear again. There are

:36:47.:36:54.

no words. Did he talk much on that five-hour journey? I don't remember

:36:55.:37:01.

him speaking much. I just remember sitting there and crying. He had

:37:02.:37:04.

threatened me a few times. He had taken me through a few tollbooths.

:37:05.:37:12.

Ireland the thinking at each one that it was an opportunity, somebody

:37:13.:37:16.

would see me and I would be rescued. But he would threaten me, and the

:37:17.:37:22.

person behind the counter wouldn't recognise there was a little girl

:37:23.:37:28.

crying in the seat. Each mile, I had lost hope. At first direct it and I

:37:29.:37:36.

of streets on the signs, but then they were completely unfamiliar. --

:37:37.:37:45.

at first, I recognised the names of streets on the signs. After five

:37:46.:37:50.

hours of driving, the car finally stopped, and he took you into a

:37:51.:37:56.

house and let you down into a basement, which was effectively a

:37:57.:37:59.

dungeon. At that point did he start talking to you? He did. One of the

:38:00.:38:04.

first things he did was he propped me up on a sort of table, kind of

:38:05.:38:15.

device, and he said, this will be really hard for you. It's OK, cry. I

:38:16.:38:25.

can remember wanting to scream and cry, but also at the same time

:38:26.:38:34.

thinking that's what he wanted. Being in this strange and terrific

:38:35.:38:41.

battle, and fighting for my life. What happened at that point? Over

:38:42.:38:47.

the next four days I was raped and beaten and tortured in that

:38:48.:38:57.

basement. He kept reaching to the floor, either in the basement or

:38:58.:39:04.

next to his bed upstairs. Again, you can't explain that kind of terror

:39:05.:39:10.

and fear, and feelings of hope, and never losing that feeling of hope,

:39:11.:39:14.

but fighting off the hopelessness every second. Not knowing what is

:39:15.:39:19.

going to happen next, not knowing what terrible thing could possibly

:39:20.:39:29.

occur. Did you fear, believe, you would end up dead? I did. I feel,

:39:30.:39:38.

and I felt at the time, that he was going to kill me. I felt it was

:39:39.:39:43.

necessary, and it feels horrible to say this, but if I didn't serve a

:39:44.:39:49.

purpose, that he was going to kill me, that he didn't have another

:39:50.:39:54.

option. He couldn't simply say, OK, go home and don't tell anyone. I

:39:55.:39:59.

knew that, I had seen enough movies to know that wasn't how it worked. I

:40:00.:40:07.

truly felt, and still feel, that my days were numbered. How did you get

:40:08.:40:16.

through that? It's amazing what lies within us to survive. Whether it's

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surviving an abduction, or surviving any sort of tragedy, an abusive

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relationship, a terrible childhood, whatever it is, how much we have

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within us to survive. Not that it's easy or simple, not that it even

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really makes sense, but we do it. What really kept me going was the

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fact that I knew my parents were looking for me. And that they would

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never give up. And that they loved me, and they could find me, and

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would find me, because they were super heroes. Because they were the

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people who could do absolutely anything in this world. I truly

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believed that, and I just wanted to get back home to them, and that my

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days were numbered, and the question was, would they find me in time.

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Would they find me alive, or would they find me somewhere in a ditch?

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Amazingly, you were rescued after four days. What was the first to you

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knew that you were about to be taken away from that situation? Earlier

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that morning he had looked at me, and said, I'm beginning to like you

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too much. Tonight we are going to go for a ride. At that point, I knew

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the fight for my life was over, there was nothing more I could do,

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and he was going to kill me. And then he fed me for the first in four

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days. After that, he left for work. It's amazing, the questions people

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ask you in a situation like this, like, why didn't you try to jump out

:42:11.:42:16.

of a window or scream or yell? Please never asked anybody who has

:42:17.:42:22.

been in a sort of tragic situation, why they didn't do what they could

:42:23.:42:27.

have done. Or say, this is what I would have done in this situation.

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You truly do not know, and could never know. I was terrified, a

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13-year-old little girl, and I didn't know if he was standing right

:42:38.:42:42.

outside the doorway tinker here me scream for help, at which point he

:42:43.:42:45.

would come and kill me. Arch outside the door, listening. I was thinking

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what I would do if I was bigger or stronger, if I was some character in

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a comic book or action movie, what would I do. I made a promise to

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myself that I would fight him. I had thought him before and lost, and

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then my thoughts quickly shifted to, you are not going to be able to

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fight him. He's going to win, he has won so many times before. You are

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going to die. It was at that point I really lost all hope, and I started

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to think about my family in a different way. I started to think,

:43:31.:43:35.

when was the last time I told my parents, my brother, my grandmother,

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that I really loved them. And that they meant the world to me. Did they

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know that? Did they know that I was not in pain at the moment, what did

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they think was going on? I wanted to tell them and reach out to them, and

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I couldn't. It was so hopeless and helpless. I drifted off into a sort

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of stupor. It wasn't sleep, but it was something away from there. I

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drifted off in my mind. Hours passed, and I was brought back to

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awareness by a loud crashing on the door downstairs. At this time I had

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been chained to the floor in his bedroom. I heard men screaming, we

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have guns! The door crashed in, and I thought that these were people

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coming to hurt me. It did not occur to me at this moment in time,

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because I had given up hope, that they were there to do anything but

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hurt me. I was terrified and try to roll underneath the bed to hide from

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them. I stayed as quiet as I possibly could, but I must have made

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some sort of noise because a man came along beside the bed, I saw

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boots come along, and he demanded from me to crawl out and put my

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hands up. I can remember meekly crawling out, pulling a heavy chain

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behind me and covering myself because I didn't have closing on,

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and staring down the barrel of a gun. This was the moment I was going

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to die. And then he turned around, and I saw FBI on the back of his

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jacket, and all these law enforcement agents rushed in, cut

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the chain from around my neck and set me free to give me a second

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chance at life. The way I was rescued was, I don't have on the --

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I don't have another word for it, but it was miraculous. He was

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broadcasting me online to other people, and one of the viewers was

:45:39.:45:42.

watching this awful video, and they will have recognised a little girl

:45:43.:45:48.

in the missing poster as the little girl in this horrific video. And he

:45:49.:45:54.

feared he would get in trouble, because this was a real person, and

:45:55.:46:00.

he knew that. And Hugh and off to a payphone, and contacted the FBI. --

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and he ran off. Through that screaming they were able to track

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down the IP address, which led to his computer, which led to me. It

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was a miracle. I'm so lucky. You had been through four days of

:46:15.:46:34.

hell. You realised he had been given a second chance at life. The

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newspaper headline at the time said a happy ending. Resume with the just

:46:38.:46:45.

slotting back into the life that you had no on. How did you manage that

:46:46.:46:53.

transition? I am also very lucky that they have such a strong support

:46:54.:46:58.

system. I have incredible family and they think about the children who

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are returned home and they don't have that kind of support. I was

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very lucky to have that. My mother allowed me to hurt, and I think that

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is so important. No matter what sort of horrific circumstance Jews

:47:20.:47:23.

survive, you have been through something truly awful, somebody has

:47:24.:47:27.

hurt you. Your life has been completely altered and turned upside

:47:28.:47:35.

down. It isn't -- it is OK for you to to cry. There is no timeline on

:47:36.:47:41.

healing. People might say it has been weeks, months, years, how are

:47:42.:47:46.

you not over this? While you may feel you are safe on a physically.

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The victims of post-traumatic stress disorder, you're reliving that

:47:55.:47:59.

experiencing night carers, flashbacks and panic attacks. You're

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reliving it so while you may be physically safe, it is still

:48:04.:48:08.

occurring in some way. It is different for everybody. There is no

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timeline non-healing. Whatever you need to do to help you to heal,

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whether it is painting, dancing, whatever it is, you have to find

:48:22.:48:26.

that one thing for you that helps. That moment when you were reunited

:48:27.:48:29.

with your parents, when your parents knew you were serious, how did they

:48:30.:48:36.

react? It is almost unimaginable to think of how they had been feeling,

:48:37.:48:40.

then that moment that they knew you were safe, they were getting you

:48:41.:48:46.

back. My dad was the first one. It is kind of funny. He was the first

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one to really hug me. If you ask this hug, he would go on and on

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about it. It was incredible. While I had been surrounded by law

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enforcement and they knew they could protect me, would they? Would they

:49:05.:49:10.

protect me like my father would? I don't know. I know that my dad would

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lay down his life for me, do anything to protect me. When I was

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in my father's arms, then I knew my ordeal was over and I was truly safe

:49:23.:49:26.

under one could hurt me again. My mum was there as well, but she

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didn't get that really powerful hug that my dad and I shared, it was a

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really special moment. From the age of 40 team, you try to turn this

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into something good by talking to other people, talking about what you

:49:47.:49:50.

had been through, to raise awareness. What did you start to do?

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I started going into schools and speaking with students. I'm knew

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that little or no Internet safety education was being taught. I went

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to the kids and started sharing my story, sharing tips and tools for

:50:08.:50:12.

them to stay safe online. It grew into the Alicia project, which has

:50:13.:50:18.

been such an amazing journey. It has been the one true thing that this

:50:19.:50:21.

helped me to heal. Not everybody has to turn to advocacy. It just really

:50:22.:50:30.

helped me. It gave my horrible experience a purpose to say, yes,

:50:31.:50:35.

this did happen to me that I can use it for good. That is what I have

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been working to do, educate parents, children, teachers, law enforcement,

:50:42.:50:46.

anybody I can talk to. It has been great to reach the international

:50:47.:50:52.

community, which has been happening more frequently as well. I hope to

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be able to travel. That would be incredible. There is so much more

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awareness around the dangers online. What would your message beta kids

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and parents watching you? One of the most important messages to get

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across is to realise that this can happen to you. Violence, crime,

:51:17.:51:26.

there is not the type of person that it happens do. I am from a good

:51:27.:51:32.

family, good neighbourhood, I'm a good kid. And this happened to me.

:51:33.:51:37.

When I speak am I shot this photograph of me when I am sitting

:51:38.:51:42.

at the computer at 13 years old, it is not a flattering photograph at

:51:43.:51:47.

all, but it is very important of what this photograph shows, a

:51:48.:51:52.

13-year-old girl. What I tell these kids is that if this little girl

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came and sat in this room with you with Dewey thinks she is so strange?

:51:57.:52:02.

You just know something is going to happen to her, she is good to get

:52:03.:52:06.

kidnapped. They realise that that would not happen I would just blend

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into the crowd, I am just like them. For parents, please, please monitor

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what your children are doing on the intruders, mobile devices, gaming

:52:18.:52:21.

systems, anywhere that they can connect to the Internet. Learn what

:52:22.:52:26.

you -- what they are doing, downloading apps. Protect your kids.

:52:27.:52:33.

I know that if my parents could go back there would have such a lengthy

:52:34.:52:39.

conversation with me, but they didn't have the knowledge, the

:52:40.:52:44.

tools. But you do. Find them. Educate yourself, talk to your kids

:52:45.:52:48.

and realise that kids make mistakes and you are the one who is supposed

:52:49.:52:52.

to be there to guide them and help them through, and also keep them

:52:53.:52:58.

safe. Alicia, thank you for joining us. Thank you. That was two. Someone

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has contacted us to say heartbreaking, but is empowering.

:53:10.:53:13.

Someone else says, what we are free to talk so candidly about an

:53:14.:53:14.

horrific experience. Robin Williams' final film,

:53:15.:53:17.

Boulevard is released today. It is the story of a man facing

:53:18.:53:19.

loneliness and depression The US actor and comedian best known

:53:20.:53:21.

for his comic roles such as Mrs Doubtfire or as the troubled

:53:22.:53:26.

psychologist in Good Will Hunting - died in August 2014 in an apparent

:53:27.:53:29.

suicide at the age of 63. He was known for his energy,

:53:30.:53:32.

quick-fire improvisations and ability to mimic

:53:33.:53:34.

other famous people. In a moment we'll speak

:53:35.:53:36.

to Stefan Kyriazis, Digital arts editor for the Daily Express,

:53:37.:53:42.

who's seen the movie. We should think about

:53:43.:53:44.

a cruise sometimes. You've been here 25 years now.

:53:45.:53:55.

Almost 26. You must have thought about making

:53:56.:54:03.

a change from time to time. Nothing turned out the way

:54:04.:54:06.

I thought, I guess. You want to give me a ride?

:54:07.:54:10.

Excuse me? I asked if you want

:54:11.:54:15.

to give me a ride. I don't even know

:54:16.:54:18.

your name. I'm really swamped at work here,

:54:19.:54:23.

and the only way to get We have separate beds,

:54:24.:54:29.

separate lives, separate rooms. I went out on a limb for you.

:54:30.:54:33.

Get out of my house. It's just time for us

:54:34.:54:41.

to be in the real world. Maybe it's never too late to start

:54:42.:55:13.

finally living Thank you for joining us. Tell us

:55:14.:55:27.

more about it. It is a wonderful film. It is a man at the end of his

:55:28.:55:32.

life thinking about what he has missed out on, what choices he

:55:33.:55:36.

didn't make. There is a wonderful line where he talks about being a

:55:37.:55:40.

12-year-old who had a dawning of realisation who he really was. We

:55:41.:55:45.

felt like I've made him promise, and he feels like that promised never

:55:46.:55:49.

came. He is angry, afraid, and finally may be about to try and

:55:50.:55:55.

reach for something, to be part of life. In personal terms, it is

:55:56.:55:58.

poignant saying this because of the fact of what was going on, things

:55:59.:56:03.

that he knew about his health but we didn't. Yes, it is hard to distance

:56:04.:56:08.

it from our own feelings about the act, the sadness of the story, what

:56:09.:56:13.

the man is going through in the film and what he was wrestling with.

:56:14.:56:18.

Also, to wonder if you knew what was coming, what he was going to do.

:56:19.:56:22.

There is a sense of resolution in this film, it is a person working

:56:23.:56:26.

through the own personal Demons, the own life and what they missed out

:56:27.:56:34.

on. The face. Yes, the face. It is a man he is living in his own head for

:56:35.:56:40.

a large part, that expressiveness is vital. Robin Williams spent a long

:56:41.:56:46.

time with physical, the, animated performances. Only gets the chance

:56:47.:56:50.

to be more muted there is a real power there, like we saw in Good

:56:51.:56:54.

Will Hunting. He doesn't have to do too much. There was a bunch of

:56:55.:56:59.

recent clips released from Mrs Doubtfire which were not released in

:57:00.:57:02.

the film because they were too upsetting. It is closer to this,

:57:03.:57:07.

more internalised moments, upsetting. He did it so well. It is

:57:08.:57:14.

wonderful to remember about. You wonder if you pick to do this

:57:15.:57:17.

because he knew it was going to be his final movie. Sure. If there was

:57:18.:57:23.

an awareness that the Parkinson's disease was coming, but his

:57:24.:57:27.

faculties were going to be reduced. There is a sense of maybe seizing

:57:28.:57:34.

the moment to express. That stuff aside, is it a great movie that

:57:35.:57:40.

stands alone for anyone to watch? Particularly for the fans of Robin

:57:41.:57:44.

Williams? It is an honest film about life. It is uncomfortable at times

:57:45.:57:50.

to watch and it is upsetting within its content, not just what we know

:57:51.:57:56.

about him. It is also profound, wonderful, sad, melancholy, but it

:57:57.:58:00.

is threaded through with hope. It is about the most normal of men who are

:58:01.:58:04.

thinking about their life, wondering what they missed out on. It is about

:58:05.:58:08.

choice is not made, not having enough bravery, do you have a last

:58:09.:58:13.

chance? And think everybody can respond to that. I think it is a

:58:14.:58:15.

fitting end to his career. Have a lovely weekend, I will see

:58:16.:58:28.

you on Monday. Goodbye.

:58:29.:58:32.

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